protection

[still flame]

ok il start there

[oblique garnet]

Reflect zaquls tentacles 🤔

[winged grail]

(that was a joke)

[exotic spoke]

Got Zaqul down to like 12% and then called it for the tier with holidays and shit.

So, now I rest and prepare for 8.3

[tame garden]

🦑

[exotic spoke]

Playing other games to recharge too. Logging in for 1-3 m+ a week to keep our key level up there, maybe some other odds and ends - but that’s it.

[shell bough]

thank you man @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

You’re welcome

[deft vessel]

Quick simming question - how do you guys sim damage? Is dungeon slice any useful? Still marked as beta, don't think there's been any updates to it since it first got introduced

that and I don't know how well the prot warrior modules are maintained

[random urchin]

Dungeon is not something I recommend to anyone

[strong forum]

Dungeon slice is not recommended

[deft vessel]

hectic add cleave then for AoE

and patchwerk for single target

[strong forum]

You can only reliably sim ST

Simming for dungeons is like 3-5 Sims and then drawing your own conclusion

[random urchin]

Yeah, I sim Patchwerk and then look for a combo between that, hectic add cleave and Beastlord

[deft vessel]

I kind of take that approach already, especially considering I can only sim damage for prot

ok, noted, will play around with it and see what results I get

[strong forum]

Ye then I guess you're on the right path, I personally don't fuck with dungeon Sims

[deft vessel]

another question, related to azerite, since i'm kind of lost (I still mostly have benthic stuff)

[strong forum]

Cuz it's abysmally minimal as tank

[random urchin]

Kind of have to draw your own conclusions from the combo of sims you run

[deft vessel]

do I always want only ONE deafening crash?

[strong forum]

You want 3x bom 1x dc

Ideally

[random urchin]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yes 1x DC is must

[deft vessel]

that i get, question is, how bad are extras

[random urchin]

We used to want 3x DC cuz the damage was insane

[strong forum]

Quite bad

[random urchin]

It isn’t anymore

[strong forum]

Almost any option is better than your 2nd / 3rd DC

Even in s2 we didn't want 3x DC

[deft vessel]

I have really meh azerite right now, one pvp piece and two benthic

might drop some residium on 415 pieces

current traits

the selected ones

[random urchin]

Oof

No BoM

[deft vessel]

yeah :/

exactly

[strong forum]

On chest go with IF instead of loyal

But go at your own pace, get some m+ rolling maybe a normal raid

[random urchin]

How much residuum do you have?

[deft vessel]

yeah, already run M+

got 4.6k or so

4460 exactly

[strong forum]

It's defo worth going for 2x 415 then

[random urchin]

I’d roll for 2-3 415

And then for 430s on reset

[strong forum]

Can you buy those even

[random urchin]

Yep

[deft vessel]

yeah, 1725 for a random 415

of a slot

[strong forum]

Ah ye normal raid stuff is 415 right

[random urchin]

They’re like 1.7

[deft vessel]

i can buy 2

[strong forum]

Ye get those

[deft vessel]

the helm traits are ok i suppose

[random urchin]

Do it

[deft vessel]

so go with chest/shoulder

[strong forum]

Your chest is best

Of what you have currently

[random urchin]

You can’t save up enough for a 445 before patch so might as well just buy up what you can

[strong forum]

Ah nvm your helmet is 420

[deft vessel]

yeah, helm is 420

[strong forum]

Ye buy 2x 415, then try to do a+10 this week

[deft vessel]

yeah, planning on a 10 and and a mechagon run

also engineer, so can craft that

[strong forum]

👍

[deft vessel]

engineer helm is 415 already

can craft it soon

and apparently those are pretty good for prot war?

[strong forum]

Very good

You take DC + RNG + OP

That's 3 very good traits

[deft vessel]

👏

gearing choice is clear then

[strong forum]

Pretty much

[deft vessel]

droptimizer for the azerite vendor

ok, got alright pieces, chest in particular

^ shoulders

^chest

so for chest, brace for impact, callous reprisal, crystalline carapace, intimidating presence, and for shoulders Not sure what to get for first trait, but bastion of might for second, ablative shielding third and bulwark 4th

[analog zinc]

i love motherlode

i went in on a 16 & did an 8 minute chainpull at the start of the dungeon

[deft vessel]

or actually, I don't have any bloodsport traits, so perhaps bloodsport for the shoulders outer ring

[exotic spoke]

Single target or aoe?

[deft vessel]

dungeons is what's mostly in consideration right now

though I'll probably run some eternal palace before patch as well

[broken isle]

Wowhead article mentioned new azerite gear

Scales with how well u do in the visions

[exotic spoke]

I didn’t see that

[broken isle]

Article is called "Rewards from Horrific Visions of Nzoth"

Malignant Leviathan's

All 5 objectives with all 5 masks rewards 470 gear

[deft vessel]

here's a quick link for the lazy https://ptr.wowhead.com/items/name:Malignant+Leviathan's?filter=82;2;80300

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, sorry I thought you meant something else entirely

Good luck doing that with all 5 masks on pretty early

[broken isle]

Lol yep

[exotic spoke]

I thought you meant the azerite gear scales based on how well you do

[deft vessel]

so, is my azerite choice as outlined above any good for mythic+ ? what about raiding?

[random urchin]

Lol yeah 470s are probably not happening week 1

[exotic spoke]

You get the first mask for completing all five objectives. Then you get the others from completing things with the mask

It is not possible to get that week one

[deft vessel]

no, the azerite pieces are like all the others, static for the most part, the only diffenrece is that they have traits that interact with corruption, but it's all being tuned still, not sure what final nubmers will look like

[exotic spoke]

Diruuo, I tend to recommend just going full defensive

Literally impossible to get a 470 week one as it requires you to do SW and Ogrimmar visions and you only get one of these a week in my experience

[random urchin]

@deft vessel you should be fine with those pieces. I wouldn’t worry too much though as raid is dropping soon. Will be fairly easy for you to get some big upgrades in there

[broken isle]

Visions boss abilities/madness? seem very melee-unfriendly

[deft vessel]

sticking with this for now, seems reasonable?

[exotic spoke]

They aren’t really

[broken isle]

Solo is prolly fine

[exotic spoke]

Group is better - especially for us IMO

[broken isle]

Yeah the Faceless One achievement implies that group is easier than solo

[deft vessel]

I'm curious how they handle the solo vs. group scaling

do we have other content like this in the game? not really I don't think

most everything is either just solo or just group

[broken isle]

The Vision talent tree seems pretty good for grps too

[deft vessel]

except the open world i suppose

[broken isle]

Free rez, more sanity

[exotic spoke]

Easy diruuo. Take the number of players and multiply the health of the mobs by that many

[deft vessel]

also the new essences all seem group centric

[exotic spoke]

That’s how they do it

[broken isle]

Brawlers Guild, Mage Tower

[random urchin]

Rip mage tower

[exotic spoke]

They may have increased damage too but I don’t know about that.

[random urchin]

😢

[deft vessel]

yeah, that's what I mean, either purely/strictly solo or strictly group

(I'm a bit sad I did tank mage tower on my druid, as opposed my warrior, my warrior didn't even exist when mage tower existed)

QQ

[broken isle]

Solo content in an MMO is usually frowned on

Like just play Witcher 3

[deft vessel]

been there, done that

I'm up for quick/repeatable solo stuff to advance my character beyond just open world stuff

and the mage tower was a fucking blast to do

[exotic spoke]

But yeah, for visions, group is the way to go in my experience.

[broken isle]

Mage Tower was a nice way to show u mastered your spec

[lucid dew]

Are there any projections for BIs essences one 8.3

[exotic spoke]

No, but if I had to guess I think we’d add in the new essence that heals whenever you dodge / parry as a minor since it also gives corruption resistance

[tame garden]

Did you really master your spec if you did mage tower in 7.3.5

[exotic spoke]

Dagger in the back

[lucid dew]

That makes sense so you think general raid essences would be VOP major null cns and that new one minor?

[random urchin]

Isn’t there one other that prot can use that gives corruption resist?

[broken isle]

I mean I did Tower week 1, prolly cheesed over time

[exotic spoke]

I think that not much had changed and I’ll probably be going CoF, Vision, Null if it’s magic heavy fight

[broken isle]

If 2 tanks have that vision essence, that's 6% hp to each raid tank?

[exotic spoke]

@random urchin yeah there is it gives mitigation when you fall below 35% health and next active mitigation lasts longer

It’s whenever you dodge or parry Ziggy

[broken isle]

Oh I'm thinking of a different essence

[random urchin]

Hmm, for some reason I thought breath was also for all specs

[exotic spoke]

And the formless void

[random urchin]

Since it’s the very first one rewarded from the intro quests

[exotic spoke]

Each time an ally uses an active azerite power you gain main star

[broken isle]

Formless void seems like an interesting one for M+ grps

5 iris beams

[random urchin]

I might run breath minor for the deeps and corruption resist instead of those tank ones. Will have to see though.

[exotic spoke]

But then you don’t get vision major

You can’t runnBreath of the Dying Rawfull

It’s DPS only

[random urchin]

Huh, could’ve sworn it wasn’t as it’s the intro essence, figured it wasn’t spec locked just like CoF isn’t

[exotic spoke]

I’m betting that strength of the warden will be our go to defensively if you need corruption resist

[random urchin]

Big rip

[exotic spoke]

You get most of them from doing the quest chain / first few visions

[wooden radish]

the minor on strength of the warden is bad

the major is on the GCD with a short duration

also dodge for plate tanks kappa

[exotic spoke]

It also works on parry @wooden radish

[wooden radish]

the minor?

how much parry do you have? 25%?

imagine thinking that minor is better than the passive armor you get from Formless void minor

[exotic spoke]

Something like that.

[wooden radish]

warden is the worst of the 3 tank essences

[exotic spoke]

And i didn’t see the rank 3

[wooden radish]

it has almost no use cases

[exotic spoke]

Seeing the rank 3 now makes it better

[wooden radish]

outside of lightforged.

[exotic spoke]

For formless

[wooden radish]

yes

Formless is bis by a lot

for minor

[exotic spoke]

I don’t like the touch of the everlasting though

Talking about minor

[wooden radish]

the cheat death will be good on progress / mythic

yes agree

big whoops, a 7s SOTR

9s Shield Block

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, it was solely talking about minors. I think the other one could be good to have one tank in a raid with it at least

Strength of the warden

But, then again, most of the time you’re going offensive in raid

[wooden radish]

for pal in raid, i plan on running CoF major, C&S, Formless void, Null (switching to Lucid / SoS on melee bosses/scenarios)

for warrior, i use what i have

which is vision major, cof minor

[exotic spoke]

CoF, Vision, null, and probably formless void after looking up rank 3.

Since, for me, strength works out to be about 1200 hps and 3% max health assuming it’s reliably procced. That’s not a lot

[wooden radish]

its bad

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

I assumed the health went up when I first glanced at it

[chilly brook]

@broken isle I did mage tower on all tanks and I guarantee I didn't master most of tbh em

The problem with healing on party or dodge is that you don't take damage in those cases so who even knows it it'll actually be worth it

[signal plover]

Doing warrior or druid MT week 1 was def challenging

Needed specific legendaries and a couple trinkets and be able to use the majority of the class toolkit. I can't think of a bigger solo challenge in wow to date tbh.

[chilly brook]

Warrior in general for the entirety of it unless you got the tier from antorus

Bear was just kinda trivialized with the right leggo

[exotic spoke]

Griff, I was basing it partially off of talking to others but also from a m+ perspective where it will be reliably procced and you’re also taking damage

But I also thought the healing, or time it takes to stack, would increase. However I was wrong

[signal plover]

I think I one shot dk and pally with like super fresh tanks back in 7.3.5

[exotic spoke]

Bear was trivialized because it was bugged for a bit and if you opened with stun he didn’t use one of his mechanics and that made it super easy

[undone sun]

bear was always easy

[chilly brook]

You could just sit outside of the pool on the ground

[undone sun]

first because of that bug, second because of range stacking legos

[chilly brook]

^^

Monk was hella ez though

Pop ox boi and win

[signal plover]

Oh idk then, took my bear cotank a bit

[undone sun]

🙃

probably didn't take advantage

[chilly brook]

Bear was reasonably difficult if you didn't have the range Lego

[signal plover]

He was doing the ranged thing I think

[chilly brook]

I did it without

[signal plover]

I watched him stream it

He played bear reasonably well tho so idk

[chilly brook]

You could play a class well but just struggle with a certain boss fight

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[signal plover]

Warrior took me a good bit of tries, it was the only one I did week 1

[chilly brook]

Warrior took me a lot of tries

[undone sun]

20 for warr, 12 for bear

[signal plover]

I can't remember our M NH prog at the time

[chilly brook]

I did mine on my warrior in antorus but without set bonus and at 915 ilvl

[signal plover]

Thyme don't b an elitist kek

[undone sun]

😄

[exotic spoke]

I didn’t have the right legendaries for a bit

[chilly brook]

I think I did 35 tries on warrior

I had the gloves only

I felt like a badass

But what's new, prot makes you feel like a badass everytime you log in 🙃

[signal plover]

I didn't have bracers but had belt

[undone sun]

bear also had MoU during the beginning of it

super ez

[signal plover]

I thought they broke that right before it

[mortal brook]

got my thrash bracers a week after finishing MT >.>

[undone sun]

tower was released during NH

MoU was removed after NH

or just before it ended

[signal plover]

I thought it was the mid tier patch

[undone sun]

there is a time where both were active, tower and MoU

watching my kill now

[signal plover]

No pants on?

[undone sun]

👀

[autumn pendant]

Whats MoU

[broken isle]

ur leggos were super important for week 1 tower

people were bummed to get prydaz pre-tower, and then when it came out everyone wanted one lol

[undone sun]

mark of ursol, bears magic mitigation during the first half of Legion

[tame garden]

Masters of the universe

[autumn pendant]

I believe that bear

I member now

Just didnt realise what was that acronym for

[real thunder]

Guys, can you provide insight into why at REALLY high keys with fortified i see top prot warrs running MemoryOfLucidDreams as a major? Is it best used with Avatar or on CD in M+?

[signal plover]

Just Uber rage gen

[tame garden]

It's good defensively for the big pulls

[warm plinth]

It's because it basically gives you back to back Avatars by generating a ton of rage for you to churn into Anger Management CDR. And it also provides a ton of leech which makes you fairly self-sustaining (at least, moreso than normal on giant packs).

[real thunder]

So you pop it during your 1st avatar, spend as much rage as you can which allows you to use avatar again almost once the 1st avatar is done?

[warm plinth]

Yep, pretty much

But unless you're doing very high keys and very big pulls, it's not necessary

[real thunder]

Are you saying my 12s aren't high?!?!?! How dare you sir. lol. Thanks for the insight, much appreciated.

[warm plinth]

😄

[sick sentinel]

is melee supposed to be my second highest damage in keys?

I do like 36/40k average in 20+s but I Look and it's melee

shouldn't shield slam be higher?

[ionic fern]

TC/Revenge/Deepwounds should all be PROBABLY higher.

[warm plinth]

You melee a lot

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/qj0yt0

[warm plinth]

I'm guessing TC is your highest right

[ionic fern]

Tho on Tyrannical weeks i wouldn't be surprised.

Since bosses take forever

[sick sentinel]

ah right, dreams end

I usually never switch targets

[warm plinth]

That's what mine looks like too

Idk what that's the meter for though tbh 😄

[sick sentinel]

is 30% seize the moment good amount?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[strong forum]

ye MS has about 30% uptime

and ever since BFA they upped melee dmg by alot

so its always a top contender

[warm plinth]

Yeah that line-up seems pretty consistent for me

From a 13 FH log of mine

[shut summit]

[prime stream]

Hey guys! started playin pwar 1 week ago, and cant really understand which stats do i want for M+? inspectin different warriors and they have different stats, so can u explain it a bit?

[warm plinth]

ilevel>>>haste>crit for M+
ilevel>>>haste>vers for raiding

If you want raid parses you can sim

[undone sun]

Don't worry about others peoples stats

There are no caps
There are no breakpoints

[tame garden]

Gear is rng

Therefore your stats are rng

[prime stream]

@warm plinth thx a lot, and what about essences for m+? i see some guys usin VoP in major and some of them using Lucid

[warm plinth]

VoP major, lucid/sphere/c&s minor. Aegis is okay too if you don't have two of the others

[sullen valve]

Daily reminder that wowA is great

[warm plinth]

Lucid is something that very high key pushers are using to do very big pulls. Doesn't apply to 99.99% of people

[strong forum]

and its not massively better either

[warm plinth]

You're massively better

[strong forum]

ikno 😏

[sullen valve]

:sad:

what about me Ghash

[warm plinth]

You're off the charts Abe

[sullen valve]

😊

[warm plinth]

And @outer dew is unmeasurable, because he's my universe

[outer dew]

@warm plinth is pretty immeasurable too. Terribly hard to shop pants for hom

🙈

[warm plinth]

😂

[tame garden]

😂

[chilly brook]

@prime stream let me save you a lot of trouble whenever you start playing a new class in the future, don't look at what "top players" are stacking or using without actually asking them why they're doing so. Start with the guide and understand the basics then once you have that start diving into the advanced smaller things and if you look at "top players" ask them why they're using x instead of y

[brittle owl]

tbh if you start understanding the game the y's start coming to you naturally

that's assuming a strong foundation (basics)

otherwise you come up with stupid shit like historical late game scaling

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern ?

[ionic fern]

We're doing 2s.

😂

You should see my sick Fury skills.

[wooden radish]

link stream

[ionic fern]

Not streaming

Smh

[wooden radish]

fucking

casual

[ionic fern]

👀

I haven't streamed in ages.

[wooden radish]

i want to see some top notch prot warrior arena

[ionic fern]

I'm a traitor and playing FUry. 😦

[strong forum]

can confirm

playing fury is traitor

only arms and prot allowed

[ionic fern]

I don't deserve this. 😦

[tame garden]

Arms

[wary lantern]

so, scheming is like, a good trait? 😄

[strong forum]

a god trait

[wary lantern]

am thinking about ditching my druid next season and starting to tank again lol

[tame garden]

How about

Tanking on your druid

[wary lantern]

tried it

[tame garden]

🐻 👍

[wary lantern]

dontl ike the playstyle

[tame garden]

[strong forum]

its pretty fucking spammy

but comfy

atleast m+

[wary lantern]

i find warrior better suit my playstyle 😄

[tame garden]

Prot is def more interesting rotationally

[strong forum]

prot is really well designed

even if you take all the numbers away

[wary lantern]

but just realised i cannot recover items for 10 more days lol

i disenchanted azerites back then

hm

2x scheming ?

😄

bought bunch of 430s

[strong forum]

3x bom 1x dc 2x MS is BIS

[wary lantern]

just what i got

[strong forum]

and theres only 1 pair of shoulders and 1 chest with it

great

then get the same stuff on high ilvl next patch

and youre pumping

[wary lantern]

i rolled those 430s, still got Abyssal Malevolence 450

atleast i kept that one 😄

eh

😄

[strong forum]

thats full bis then

abyssal + kraken + ashvane is full bis

[wary lantern]

yeah, got that

shame i didnt get the trinkets from hc raid tho

[tame garden]

I hope my prot has better azerite luck next tier

[strong forum]

ye ilvl is really important on urchin and edict

[tame garden]

Still only 2 bom and patch is over

[wary lantern]

that urchin is from last timewalking event 😄

[wary lantern]

mm

thing is

i have 0 trinkets from raid

across all characters

[strong forum]

nice RNG there

[wary lantern]

not once did i get drop whole patch

[strong forum]

isnt personal loot great

[cosmic oasis]

amazing

[strong forum]

its so great

[wary lantern]

i always find it amazing when Dpsers or healers get tank trinkets 😄

btw, didnt look at next raid yet

how are trinkets?

[strong forum]

decentish

with the prism shell going into insane levels the more corruption resistance you get

[wary lantern]

you reckon it will be again 2x raid trinket BiS?

[strong forum]

na not this time around

from what it looks like itll maybe be wrathion trinket + X

afaik

[wary lantern]

hmm

[strong forum]

i could be wrong though, didnt do much research

[wary lantern]

dont have much to choose from right now 😄

[strong forum]

gore block is always good

[wary lantern]

yeah, but even that 400 prism absorbs so much dmg

[strong forum]

ye prism is really good

[cosmic oasis]

ra-den trinekts might be good

[strong forum]

but in comparison to high lvl trinkets not that useful

[wary lantern]

more absorb compared to 415 urchin healing

[tidal sleet]

Matters if tanks are going to be more concerned with mitigation or damage, yes?

[tame garden]

Damage

[strong forum]

once you know your shit defensively and dont make many mistakes you want to maximize dmg

proper play is your best midigation

[chilly brook]

@wary lantern my healer got me a 440 pole arm off the first boss last night in heroic while I was on my bear 🙃

[wary lantern]

lol

[chilly brook]

Literally went from 390 two days ago to 418 by the end of last night

[wary lantern]

😄

[tame garden]

🐻 👍

[chilly brook]

She's literally our loot charm

She gets hella good drops

[sullen valve]

1/5 ban mwahi

He is too cute

[chilly brook]

And speg I feel your pain on the 2x bom train

I was stuck with only 1 for a long time

[tame garden]

I can't be too mad since I never raided on my war

Just unlucky on vendor

[chilly brook]

I could have had 3 like a month and a half ago

[analog zinc]

how much ores / expulsum would you need to fully craft an engie helm next tier?

[chilly brook]

But they gave the helmet to a trial who ended up not staying with us so I could have gone from 1xbom to 3xbom with that one piece

[tame garden]

[chilly brook]

Apparently he put down bis essences even though it didn't have cold steel hot blood and he said he wanted it to experiment

[analog zinc]

i've gambled 4 pieces on my warrior & i already have 3 BoM 1 DC

[chilly brook]

I legit wanted to die

[analog zinc]

1 metic

[wary lantern]

he was thinking out of meta

we need more ppl like that

[tame garden]

Sounds like you have a dumb loot council

[chilly brook]

Their justification was that my warrior was my alt

[tame garden]

Ah

[chilly brook]

Even though at the time I was trying to swap over to prot for a long time

And we had someone filling the brm debuff slot so I was pushing to swap harder

I now only touch my brm once a week for one fight

[tame garden]

Orgo?

[chilly brook]

Yep

If only they didn't remove aoe taunt from everyone else

[analog zinc]

technically

you can 2 tank it with Bdks

you just run conflict major

gives you a 2nd charge of grip, so you have 3 taunts

[sand egret]

get super lucky with vision procs on bear for 3x taunts gg

[chilly brook]

Yea but you also get more than 3 adds after first phase

[strong forum]

Technically you can 2 tank it with every tank

It's just harder to manage

[chilly brook]

I mean sure

If you like having people die

[analog zinc]

In order to craft a maxed out Engie Goggles in 8.3, you need 575 osmanite, 155 platinum, 95 expulsum

[strong forum]

Not really, it's just more finnicky

2 tank 4 heal

And blast his dick off

[analog zinc]

it spossible to 2 tank with non monks

[chilly brook]

Eventually someone will die to the empowered adds with the awkwardness involved

[analog zinc]

but its just super super precise

[strong forum]

It's precise, and adds won't get empowered

But it's defo possible

[analog zinc]

the adds need to die, you need to taunt off, the next wave off adds need to spawn

[chilly brook]

Idk I prefer not to rely on all those extra moving parts

[analog zinc]

yeah double monk is way better

especially considering how fucking broken monks are defensively on that fight

[chilly brook]

Even with double monk not everything always goes smoothly so I'd rather not push the envelope

[analog zinc]

ye

we fuckup aoe taunts all the time

[broken isle]

Will nyalotha have the abyssal focus thingie for 8.3 crafted stuff?

[analog zinc]

it's have the void focus

or something like that

@broken isle https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b9gw_okKtyRZgW_dG1HNYr3EjpI_Oqcy8CDxP3Wu7Kk/preview#

[broken isle]

Oh ty

[abstract meteor]

What trinket for m+
435 howler
430 Phial of AT
430 Vial of AB
420 Block
Computaiton device with cyclotronic and 420 heavy haste - vers yellow

trinkets rather

[ionic fern]

Aight, so
Blast is iffy since you can't block turning it so that's a no-go in most m+ situations.
Vial needs some special usage to get the maximum out of it since the first couple of globals after casting it get the most benefit meaning you gotta think before/when to use it.
Phial is a "meh" trinket overall but it's passive so you don't really gotta pay any attention to it and still provides some DPS.
Block (i guess you mean Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block) - that's a good trinket to have in m+.
Howler can also be played around with and can provide some DPS increase but in your case I'd take Block/Phial tbh for a easy/passive gameplay.

@abstract meteor

[sick sentinel]

I would totally go with block/howler

because phial is huper garbage, expecially on fortified

just macro howler to avatar or something

[analog zinc]

phial is fine single target damage but its so bad on aoe

[manic scaffold]

the thing that makes prot number 1 the their damage right?

[analog zinc]

what nagash

[manic scaffold]

like the thing that makes prot warriors the best tanks is their damage output right/?

[analog zinc]

nope

[manic scaffold]

:o

[ebon hound]

shield block bby

[analog zinc]

even last tier when wars were doing twice as much damage as everyone else they'd still have likely been the best even if they didn't do that insane damage

fact is, prot wars are just insanely tanky

[snow gyro]

I've normally been running Pylon/Comp Device becuz I lack Vers and I like the damage increase to go with Bastion Avatar n Deafening Boom Voice, but I feel like I'm suppose to be using Urchin. I mostly do mythic dungeons, but I do normal/heroic raids sometimes. It might be best to swap out Pylon for Urchin for when I raid I guess? I just can't shake the feeling that I'm suppose to use Urchin.

[sick sentinel]

@snow gyro

becuz I lack Vers
uhm... you got your info backwards bud

you are not supposed to be stacking vers

you are supposed to be stacking haste

use earthcaller's+urchin with a haste gem in it

[snow gyro]

Shouldn't I still use Comp Device for more haste then?

[brittle owl]

depends on what content you're doing

[sick sentinel]

^^

[brittle owl]

in a vacuum haste is always the bis stat

but you're not playing in a vacuum

[spiral ravine]

Can someone link me the block and ip weak auras? it appears that the links on the pinned msg are broken

[analog zinc]

i found a solid IP wa just off wago.io

[strong forum]

https://wago.io/ByEbmw6mX

shouldnt this one work

from #268491842637660160

[warm plinth]

Yeah that one works fine

[chilly brook]

@ionic fern that moment when you get a 455 Phial and it sims highest in combination with your coral

[strong forum]

i ran cyclo + phial for the longest time

[brittle owl]

phial is a sim trap

[strong forum]

wasnt until my very last boss i killed that i actually had coral + inkpod

[brittle owl]

sims assume it ramps up perfectly every time

[strong forum]

which in most raid situations it does

tbh

[brittle owl]

it doesn't really, with the exception of sivarra and behemoth, there are plenty of situations where you can get the proc to be wasted

due to incidental cleave

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh it did a good amount of damage last night

On ashvane

[strong forum]

ashvane you only have like 3-5 seconds where you hit bubbles, radiance you dont get boss dmg anyway during add phase, orgo is an exception, court its only if youre too close to sparks

[brittle owl]

you could very well get lucky procs, get it to ramp up just before cleave happens, but that's hardly the definition of consistency

[chilly brook]

Isn't it halfway decent in m+ as well?

[strong forum]

does like 1k-1.5k overall

in m+

[brittle owl]

you'll have it mostly at 1-2 stacks in m+

[strong forum]

so its comparable to coral / inkpod in 15s

in raw dmg

[chilly brook]

All I know is it was a 900dps gain to run it and my coral over my socketed block and my cyclo

As per sim anyways

[brittle owl]

issue is inkpod has a more meaningful effect on bosses

still a wildcard

[strong forum]

phial is good in raid, people overstress the "cant reach max stacks 100% of the time so its useless" even tho you can get max stacks 90% of the time on most

[brittle owl]

sad times when it doesn't crit

[chilly brook]

Lol the effect can die

I just wanted a better parse

Its farm lol

[strong forum]

my 445 phial did like 1.6k-2k dps on bosses i ran

so thats perfectly fine

[brittle owl]

just get an inkpod then lmao

eksdee

massif critz with coral

[chilly brook]

I have one

It sims worse

Probably because I'm never getting one over 430 without a tf

[gaunt ocean]

Is there any way to track damage reflected with Spell Reflect for either Prot or the PvP talent? I can't seem to find it under any category in Details, so I'm guessing I'm blind or I need a WA of some sorts?

[warm plinth]

You can see it in logs as damage the enemy did to themselves.

That's about it

[gaunt ocean]

Actual logs or the ingame combat log?

[analog zinc]

well

actual logs use ingame combat log

[gaunt ocean]

Yeah but there's nothing there documenting it

[warm plinth]

Logs like warcraftlogs

[analog swift]

Look at damage taken

You’ll see like adderis take millions of damage from spell reflect

[gaunt ocean]

Yeah, I gotcha, I was more wondering for general use and not exclusively while logging, found a WA that did the job though.

Thanks for the help regardless

[analog zinc]

whats the WA?

[gaunt ocean]

https://wago.io/SpellReflection

[strong forum]

huh neat

[undone pilot]

is the proc on salvaged mekacycle shielding worth it over an equal ilvl shield?

[left hatch]

no, you lose some of the stat budget for the effect

and the effect isn't that good to begin with

[undone pilot]

what about for m+? blocking a lot more attacks per second

[left hatch]

especially in M+, the effect gets consumed in 1 AA

and you don't block anything more

[undone pilot]

sure, I was thinking of it as bonus self-heal effectively

[left hatch]

you get more DR out of the stats youd lose

[undone pilot]

since many talents and traits that provide self-heal are so good on prot

mmk

[strong forum]

uuuh where'd you hear that

[undone pilot]

the IcyVeins guide I think

[strong forum]

shield ilvl is the most important thing a prot can get

[undone pilot]

equal ilvl

[strong forum]

by literal miles

[left hatch]

it was equivilant ilvl

[strong forum]

ah

[agile cape]

@oblique garnet You smell

[strong forum]

then i'd say yes

[left hatch]

but even still a flat absorb wo'nt scale with harder content

but stats will

and with 10k on a 1ppm

[strong forum]

is the shield 1ppm?

[left hatch]

yes

[undone pilot]

(per attacker maybe)

[left hatch]

no, its 1ppm

[undone pilot]

the wording is that it has a chance to proc on autoattack

on block

does it have an internal cd?

[left hatch]

it will only ever proc once per minute

regardless of how many attackers

[undone pilot]

that is definitely wrong

[strong forum]

so it wont even be good in 475 if you get it from weekly chest

rip

[undone pilot]

it procced eleven times while I was doing the orb room in temple of s

which took about a minute

maybe two

I'm looking at my recount logs now

[strong forum]

are you checking dmg or healing

cuz the dmg might've applioed 11 times

[undone pilot]

absorbs

[strong forum]

but the shield only once

mh,

interesting

[left hatch]

is it low content, so the absorb isn't being fully depleted?

[undone pilot]

it was a 9, but orb room is very weak mobs

[strong forum]

did it absorb 100k

or 10k

i need a number

[undone pilot]

30k

the proc is 12k

so it mostly wasn't fully depleted

[left hatch]

which means 3 procs in a 2+ minuite orb room

lines up with the ppm wowhead says

[undone pilot]

the log says number of procs = 10 though

so can it re-proc if not fully depleted or

[left hatch]

not sure, in most content itll be consumed the second it occurs

[undone pilot]

alright it procced five times during Galvazzt which is only a single target

two minute fight

54k absorbed, the entire amount should be ~60k

[manic scaffold]

when does korraks revenge end

[strong forum]

should end i believe next reset

but you can just check calendar ingame i think

should tell you there

[undone pilot]

okay which is worth more, a socket and leech or 10 ilvl (on pants)

[left hatch]

pants, probably the ilvl

big stat budget

[strong forum]

ilvl

[undone pilot]

yeah, not my last socket either

[strong forum]

pants has the highest stats off all pieces

apart from azerite

so ilvl has by far the most value in comparison to others

[undone pilot]

gotcha

[nimble mauve]

does anyone else struggle with the issue of having their prot warrior move at the speed of a turtle with no legs?

[warm plinth]

Er, nope lol

[nimble mauve]

dude i mess up shrouds because i walk so slow

[warm plinth]

Are you like...not mounting for shrouds that you can mount for?

[nimble mauve]

mounted shrouds im good

but like in a temple

[warm plinth]

There are plenty of other specs that don't have any movement abilities. Unless you just have a rogue who's sprint happy and doesn't pay attention, you should keep up just fine.

[nimble mauve]

okay i went back and watched my vod

looks like the rogue walked through the patrol on bridge and he ended shroud 3s too early

different question

[warm plinth]

Sometimes

[undone sun]

@warm plinth nice preview

[warm plinth]

What preview -_-

[undone sun]

exactly

[nimble mauve]

ive had it snap my camera backwards and then i heroic leap back to where i was initially

because im rushing a pull or something

[warm plinth]

Well uh

Never had that happen before lol

But I have had my camera angle change suddenly

Always attributed it to an old mouse

[nimble mauve]

it will 180 me from time to time and im like wat

[sick sentinel]

there was a known bug with certain mice and wow a while back

where you cursor would randomly fly off screen then relocate

was a wild time

[nimble mauve]

i remember having an issue where my screen would get flung up to the sky lol

[brittle owl]

that's usually due to hardware acceleration

esp with early custom dpi mice and weird acceleration setting

[wary lantern]

yesterday i was saying that i had 0 trinkets from raid, now i was hc with my resto druid, and both tank trinkets procced 😄

[shy minnow]

Hey anyone has experience with the servant splitter(weapon from waycrest) ? Is it good for dmg in m+ or not worth ?

[left hatch]

its slightly better dps-wise for purely ST (like worth losing ~5 ilvls for)

otherwise go for ilvl

[shy minnow]

okay thanks...it kinda sims the same but the def from stats is not really worth i guess...

[sick sentinel]

You only use it in raids and only if it sims considerably higher (0,4%+)

[analog swift]

@nimble mauve sorry for the late ping, I always light foot that shroud just in case, you probably aren't going to need a pot on the 4 mobs before the boss and they'll take a minute anyway so you're shroud will be back up

[devout meadow]

Anyone have an idea of which proffesions to go for 8.3? Mostly m+

[lilac bough]

So ive been struggling on second boss on ML (14) this week. I usually tank the boss, on one side facing away from raid to avoid the frontal damage, but adds are just fucking ppl up. What can i do to improve on this?

[left hatch]

just face the boss away for his stun, rest of hte time you can tank him on top of adds to help cleave

and using shockwave/stormbolt can also help

[steep wraith]

Also important not to Dr the adds too much so you can stop their cast that follows after the boss

[lilac bough]

ok so i should be moving boss around then? I usually keep in in one place

[analog swift]

@devout meadow engi always for M+ the brez is a god send, although generally a dps does it, depending on the fight it's easier for the tank to do it (healer goes down in the other world in last boss in shrine for example)

@lilac bough tbh not much, that boss was buffed big time in S3 and people still treat it like it's easy af and the dps just get bleeds and don't kite.

What I do is leave boss i nthe middle (for cleave) drop a marker (lucky charms makes this quick) and say boss is facing blue or w/e.

I use ring if someone is getting high stacks and leg sweep durign the pulse.

[lilac bough]

thanks.

[broken isle]

Still having trouble with the spectral berserkers in KR. I can deal with 1 bleed but 2-3 stack I'm done. I try to kite but I might be doing it wrong.

[nimble mauve]

You need to have a DPS soak a bleed for you.

There's a timer on Severing Blade, if you get Morningwind's Dungeon Timers (or something like that) there's a timer for it you can use to know when it is time to let the DPS soak.

Or, you can stun and delay the timer so that your bleed falls off.

I do not prefer the stun though. DR can really screw you.

[broken isle]

U say let dps soak; does this mean someone taunts the boss, or is it proximity-based?

[nimble mauve]

It is proximity based. Closest person gets bleed.

Pets can get it too.

[broken isle]

Gotcha. I need to kite the berserker to a dps or a pet lol

[nimble mauve]

Exactly. Then have the DPS use a defensive or immunity on it.

If I'm on my mage, I typically block it off.

[left hatch]

they don't even really need a defensive or immunity, it hits them just as hard as it hits you

so they can take 1 stack pretty safely

[nimble mauve]

I like to be nice to my healer, he's a good dude

[broken isle]

For the double berserker pack before 3rd boss, do u recommend I kite immediately?

[nimble mauve]

I recommend skipping lol

[left hatch]

they tend to do the bleed after their leap

[broken isle]

My group is skipping the tides+brute pack this week

[nimble mauve]

Oh jeez I pulled that last night. Bad times.

[broken isle]

But we end up right at the enchanted emissary it's kind of sus

[left hatch]

I'm gonna be so happy to see beguiling go

[nimble mauve]

Same.

[sick sentinel]

To handle the bleed just have one of your dps taunt and take a stack

After that it’s tyr so shit should die

[broken isle]

Kk so dps are meat shields in both cases gotcha

[sick sentinel]

Dps serve no purpose in this world but to be bodies in raid and meat shields in m+ don’t ever let them tell you they have value

[broken isle]

Lol if they die I'll blame the healer

[sick sentinel]

If dps die blame then

Them*

[analog swift]

related

[sick sentinel]

If you die blame healer

[analog swift]

best way to survive rezan's bleed

wrecked me in a 20

[nimble mauve]

Last night my DH had Severing Blade and didnt blur it

[sick sentinel]

Shield wall

[broken isle]

That bleed hurts too

[analog swift]

rotated iron bark on every other and tried ti line up demo shout

[nimble mauve]

I was not happy

[analog swift]

i feel like that's mostly a healer check

[sick sentinel]

Healer cds

[analog swift]

yeah

[broken isle]

What else do healers do on that fight

[nimble mauve]

I spam the hell out of IP and pray

[analog swift]

agreed

[nimble mauve]

But yeah it is mostly healer.

[sick sentinel]

Kind of a rough one but I’ve never really had rezans bleed become any form of problem until like a 17-18

[analog swift]

that's what I thought, went into an AD and said "this bleed hurts and there's not much I can do I need you to heal the fuck out of me"

yeah it was on a 20

so it was nasty

but you're right

there's like

[sick sentinel]

Ya hate to see that

[analog swift]

zero other damage going out

healer was overall garbo tho

[broken isle]

Healer doesn't even kite at that point yet

[analog swift]

probs worth letting some hits go through unmitigated and using LS for it

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I pugged a 19 AD yesterday

[nimble mauve]

That is often a problem.

[sick sentinel]

I feel you

[analog swift]

can demo every shout probably then bark/ls/bark/shield wall/bark/pray

[nimble mauve]

Pray is the most important part there

[analog swift]

yeah

ended up dying with bark on me

[broken isle]

Pray is hard to do in pugs

[sick sentinel]

The trinkets you are running play a factor at that level as well

[nimble mauve]

Hate to see it

[analog swift]

yeah true

[sick sentinel]

A minimal factor, but a factor

[analog swift]

yeah

probably on tyr worth that healer taking ST talents ( cenarion ward I think)

[broken isle]

I rock a vial and a pocketcard

[analog swift]

then swapping?

[sick sentinel]

You just need to be in sync with your healer and some healing classes also really struggle with stuff like that

[nimble mauve]

I use Block and Rezan. I'm always in danger.

[sick sentinel]

Do you run with a Druid

[broken isle]

I'm not like those urchin+edict posers

[analog swift]

yeah

or at least i did last night

never again cuz he was garbo (practicing for forming an M+ group next tier)

[sick sentinel]

Druids can be sketch with heavy bleeds. I usually run a paladin in KR and AD

[analog swift]

druid i run with on my monk tends to be fine

I mean I died

through demo

and bark

which was

surprising

[broken isle]

I have found a pseudo-m+ grp of people who only do keys and aren't toxic this week

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it’s cause monk/Druid is imba

[broken isle]

Well aren't toxic yet at the very least lol

[nimble mauve]

Yeah that's a bad druid tbh lol

[analog swift]

imba = imbalanced?

[sick sentinel]

If they aren’t toxic they are not food

Good

[analog swift]

i mean even on tyr fight should take

3~ minutes

with lust

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[analog swift]

and it's every 40~ seconds I think

so bark/ls/bark/wall/bark is already creeping on 3.5-4minutes

[sick sentinel]

I am saying that Druids don’t possess the same burst healing that Paladins do so there is much less room for error on big bleeds

[analog swift]

yeah agreed

[broken isle]

They heal very differently

[analog swift]

isnt' cenaraion ward an external or something that druids never run?

[sick sentinel]

I can’t remember but they usually have a reason for not running it

[broken isle]

Druid pre-hotting is delayed burst healing to my understanding

[sick sentinel]

Druids the best m+ healers if played well

[analog swift]

yeah

but it might be worthwhile

taking that then swapping

[sick sentinel]

Eh I mean technically there shouldn’t be an issue. Another reason I bring a paladin is bubble taunt in emergency

[broken isle]

One-shots or soaks pally is ur friend

[sick sentinel]

Speaking of AD the pack at the bottom of stairs by volkal is S P O O K Y this week

[broken isle]

I read a route that said just press lever and die

[sick sentinel]

Cowards

We just had cds rolling and nuked the emissary

[analog swift]

tbh though i think it's easier to hit the lever and die

then snap the rest of the pack out

[sick sentinel]

Yes but have you tried communicating this to a pug

A pug that is hellbent on 300% trash cleared

[broken isle]

Pugs only care about one thing and its disgusting

[analog swift]

lolololol

[sick sentinel]

I only care about getting my +20 done this week

[analog swift]

yeet

so what we need

[sick sentinel]

So that I can get my 16

15* for start of s1

[analog swift]

wait

i'm not sure if htat's right

keys drop the week of the 21st i beleive

because that's heroic week

when s4 starts

[sick sentinel]

So I have two weeks correct

[mortal brook]

season starts heroic week like ever

[analog swift]

like

[sick sentinel]

So you’re telling me.... I came out of m+ retirement EARLY

[analog swift]

so you do a 20 this week (the week up to the 7th) 19 the week up to the 13th, you'll have an 18 the week from the 14th-20th

that gives you a 14 on the 21st

[sick sentinel]

Actually I remember. My plan was to get a 21 on ez week like this week so i didn’t have to push a key next week

Nevermind my logic is rock solid

[analog swift]

i mean next week

is probably easier

[sick sentinel]

No way jose

[analog swift]

fort sang enchan greivous

what

fort > tyr

ench >tides

sang = nothing

greivous is bad but that's it

[distant crystal]

you do the 21 next week

it's a better week anyway

[analog swift]

nah 20 next week

[distant crystal]

nah

21

[analog swift]

well i guess if you want to start with 16s sure

[mortal brook]

just do a 24 two weeks ago

[sick sentinel]

Shut up Steve i don’t need this

[distant crystal]

1-2 21's in your guild next week, 5-10 20's in your guild patch week, 25-50 16's in your guild heroic week

[mortal brook]

[sick sentinel]

I am sad enough I came out of retirement early

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/Gxh8.gif

[analog swift]

yeah that makes sense

i'm just selfish

if my guildies can't push that's their fault

[distant crystal]

rising boat lifts all tides n such

[analog swift]

agreed

[distant crystal]

more slots tradeable to meee

:D

[sick sentinel]

That’s not the mythic raiding way brother. De wae is to carry the turds through high keys so they are less of a liability in raid

[distant crystal]

i butchered that metaphor pretty nice btw

rising tide lifts all boats lmao

i guess if your boat is big enough to create tidal forces the other one workks

[craggy harness]

whatever floats your boat, neptune

🙂

[distant crystal]

man i bet you could make a killing selling 15s heroic week

could prob get like 400K per

or more

[sick sentinel]

Easily could get 400k

15s are rough week 1

[analog swift]

100%

also apparentely the fish is gone

[sick sentinel]

I once spent 2.5 hours in a 16 KR to open the season

[analog swift]

yeah i think i spent that amount in a 16ml

holy fuck

we also ran triple melee with MW

[west galleon]

it's funny how fun in a m+ decreases with time spent up to a point where fun shoots back up

to me at least xd

those 2 hour keys are a blast

[weary thorn]

Wut

I'd rather watch a political debate while being eaten alive by army ants

[broken isle]

2 hr key?

U might as well be raiding

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel Ouch man. Week 1 we did WCM 17. Only took about an hour. We had zero experience on handling emissaries

Ziggy, that was a week 1 key when people were under geared. Hawgz and his group wanted to keep their highest key going - every group was doing one really high key and then farming low keys

[warm plinth]

Don't think we had any 2 hour ones but I think we had one that was 90ish mins

119 deaths 😄

[broken isle]

I mean if you trying to finish for cache I'd understand

[ionic fern]

This was our week 1

[warm plinth]

Oof

[distant crystal]

wait did you do a 24 the week before for the key? lol

[sick sentinel]

Mwahi is the ultimate gamer

[ionic fern]

No, i did a 21 iirc.

[sick sentinel]

[strong forum]

21 in s2 was like 18s are right now

[manic scaffold]

what does titan residuum turn into in the next patch

?

[warm plinth]

Silver

[mortal brook]

gonna get big boi like 1200 gold for that

[analog zinc]

its a 10-1 conversion

[mortal brook]

think its 100-1 cuz silver. ptr alt had 1200 in the mail

from 120000 residium

[warm plinth]

That would be 1 to 1 conversion wouldn't it? 1200g = 120,000 silver

[mortal brook]

yes. and 100 silver is 1 gold. we're saying the same thing lol

[analog zinc]

its 10 silver per residu

or 10 residu per gold

[mortal brook]

its not tho

[median inlet]

O.o its already getting converted?

[strong forum]

thats ptr

[median inlet]

Ah kk

[analog zinc]

oh so they nerfed it

a few weeks back it was 10 silver

[surreal oak]

heyy pll

ppl

what is best?

450 : versa mastery
435: critic hast

[strong forum]

ilvl >>> stats

thats not even remotely close

[broken isle]

415 recalibration or 415 overclock?

[analog zinc]

what are those?

[broken isle]

red cards from mech

[analog zinc]

ok, what do they do

[broken isle]

both give haste but in different ways

[analog zinc]

prolly just sim it

[grim skiff]

And those ways are?

[analog zinc]

because the info you're giving isn't enough lol

[warm plinth]

Iirc they come out pretty even. Recal is just more consistent.

[analog zinc]

i wonder if a non-cyclo cyclo trinket would be good for me

i'm still using a 425 pvp trinket lol

& a jes howler

[broken isle]

i like the punchcard trinket a lot

[warm plinth]

Idk I love recal but gotta get it to drop for you haha

[broken isle]

yea why cant things just drop when I want them to

[analog zinc]

oh i gotta get it to drop

:/

too much work

[broken isle]

like blizz I just killed the lich king like 400 times

gimme the horsey

[analog zinc]

i wonder if the mechagon azerite will be added to m+ residuum loot tables

[broken isle]

the regular mech azerite will i bet, but the HM exclusive one prolly not

[analog zinc]

which ones the hm exclusive

[broken isle]

a helm i believe

[analog zinc]

the heroic helm off king?

hmm

[broken isle]

apogee

[analog zinc]

thats the only good one

[broken isle]

chest has bastion+reckless-flurry+OP

[strong forum]

recal is better

has very high uptime on the haste gain

[zenith vine]

surely the question has been asked alot but what would be the go to professions in 8.3? JC and BS?

[strong forum]

BS + X

if you have extremely deep pockets JC

if you want early good azerite helmet eng + combat rez

if you want good trinket alch + bigger heal pots

[zenith vine]

Alright, pockets are pretty deep so JC it is, thanks mate

[analog swift]

Even a bis jc ring is going to be about equal to a mecha ring

[grim skiff]

How much is it to level a profession now?

[little zenith]

whats best m+ go go juice set up

:^)

[strong forum]

3x bom 2x ms 1x dc + vop

[little zenith]

Wot

bastion of might

[strong forum]

3x bastion of might, 2x meticulous scheming, 1x deafening crash

[little zenith]

bfi or undulating

[strong forum]

bfi

[little zenith]

really?

[strong forum]

yes

[little zenith]

rip

[strong forum]

BFI gives you really good ST dmg and block value

[little zenith]

I only have one bom so it sucks ass

[strong forum]

ye thats unfortunate

i ran 0 bom for like 2 months

[little zenith]

so after this week I wanna try to get as many bom as I can I guess?

[strong forum]

assuming max ilvl azerite yes

[little zenith]

only sporting 435's thats all I'm gonna be able to get

[strong forum]

then it should be fairly easy to snag a couple boms

shoulders have 4/6 bom from vendor

[little zenith]

shoulders I got

helm and chest only have bfi as the best slots

1x bloodsport and 1x if

[strong forum]

so you dont have DC?

or do you have that on shoulders

[little zenith]

dc vs bom

😦

[strong forum]

DC

[little zenith]

w0t

really

[strong forum]

1st DC is the single most important trait

[little zenith]

fuck

[strong forum]

after that you go for boms

[little zenith]

I'll go change it

[strong forum]

cuz it extends your demo shout by a significant margin

[little zenith]

hate how azerite shit is so relevant

[strong forum]

it really isnt that big

it helps ye

but for tanks its mostly just a dmg increase instead of survivability increase

[little zenith]

warriors especially

I'm guessing

[strong forum]

ye

[little zenith]

https://puu.sh/EWwiA/7a8e51a9c7.png

[strong forum]

gutripper for ST, HMC for aoe

ablative is borderline useless

[little zenith]

p[rob hmc then eh

[strong forum]

ye i like hmc

[little zenith]

bth or gemhide

[strong forum]

gemhide

the avoidance is really nice

the only thing youre actually gonna notice in survivability increase is 3x bom vs 0 bom

[little zenith]

https://puu.sh/EWwjP/dfe480a760.png

[strong forum]

noononno

not winds of war

[little zenith]

😦

[strong forum]

go with Overwhelming Power

that is our best trait

on that row