nor does "having to wait to press a button"
#protection
neon tangle
strong forum
for me it does
analog zinc
bitch what
marsh musk
Bonk
obtuse marsh
tame garden
analog zinc
welp time for pvp strats
just los every single cast behind a pillar
it recasts tho
so have fun 🙂
marsh musk
How long does the lt live
distant crystal
prob gonna be hell on high tyr
sharp night
iirc they had just under 3m hp on a 10 key so they live decently long, for reference a void has that much on a 17 key or so right now
distant crystal
but you can have a dps immune taunt or something to give you a reset
or i guess you can run away to range it until your stacks drop to reset too
autumn pendant
Well only one who can immune taunt is pala or dh
sharp night
well the debuff shouldn't stack since it lasts 8s and cd is about 10, problem is just the sheer damage it does atm
distant crystal
i thought the whole mechanic was that it leaves a debuff that makes tankbuster do more dmg
are we talking about 4th boss mechagon right?
sharp night
no the new lieutenant in s4 affix
distant crystal
dohh
sharp night
hits protwarr for 500k every 10 sec and can't be blocked
on a 15 key
can los or range it but it just chain recasts until it lands apparently
sick sentinel
isnt there only 1 per dungeon
sick sentinel
doesnt seem that bad tbh
sick sentinel
is 500k not even accounting for demo
you will obv want to save some personals and have externals avail. i guess if it lives a really long time it's not great
sharp night
it has 5m hp on a 15 iirc
sick sentinel
this is definitely not a shadow of zul in every dungeon tho
distant crystal
ilvl will help on the 20s tho eh
more armor/hp and healer throughput
might be able to do some rdruid bearform taunt pingpong shenanigans too
at the end
sick sentinel
The idea of a dangerous tank buster is appealing imo. You are phased into fighting these mobs alone
sick sentinel
I haven't fought the mob in question but it sounds like a lord waycrest dmg profile
sharp night
it's just a single hit that does 500k without cds on a 15 every 10 sec, not a dot or anything
potent anvil
He's not terrible. The debuff won't stack considering its 8s long and the cast is every 10s. His auto's didn't hurt as much before the debuff iirc. He spawns malicious growths that make a patch of purple stuff that slows and ticks dmg so you want to kill those so your tank can kite. His other ability is dark fury and deals aoe shadow dmg.
sick sentinel
is it more like 3rd boss in kr @potent anvil
potent anvil
Yeah pretty much, you can outrange breaker if you're 21+ yards.
But he'll recast it until it lands
And he stands still while doing it
warm plinth
So I guess if you're planning on moving him somewhere for a skip you can avoid it for a bit while you're doing that
sick sentinel
yikes. seems way overblown
potent anvil
The fear obelisk add is kinda annoying too. He spawns adds that apply a stacking bleed. But they die pretty quick so meh.
warm plinth
Just dwarf it off 4head
empty nacelle
I mean what are the chances you just skip it and do it with the final boss?
The tank buster
On a dungeon like tos where you have a central pillar
potent anvil
I dunno where all the specific obelisks are located, so it depends. But dunno if it's feasible to do so, 100% increased dmg taken from all sources seem kind of spooky to deal with.
distant crystal
just skip it and fight it with the last boss 
potent anvil
And it's not just that, he'll spawn purple puddles that deal ticking dmg and apply a 65% slow.
empty nacelle
I mean Is it not possible to just los the casts in that room? Or am I being retarded
toxic gyro
You guys panicking, with some gear and Stan buff we will have like 700k hp, and you can double ignore pain, spell reflect for 20%dr,demo , or call for external
distant crystal
it's physical
random urchin
You can’t reflect it
distant crystal
but otherwise ye
potent anvil
No one is panicking, at least I don't think. But most people are looking at it pre-mitigated (via DR/personals/externals).
broken isle
Defensive trinkets
distant crystal
it's gonna be a slapper for sure but it'll be manageable
gonna be way easier for other tanks tho, but we can't be the best at everything
🙂
broken isle
just thinking of ways to cheese it atm
potent anvil
With current ilvl (450~) and doing a 13 key on ptr, it drops me to like 30%~ health with demo shout.
random urchin
Can these lieutenants be cc/knockback? I haven’t paid too much attention to what they are susceptible to
random urchin
I figured no stuns. Yeah was wondering about ring/thunder/typhoon
distant crystal
MDI needs an all-stars game
for funsies with all of the seasonal affixes
change my mind
infested/reaping/beguiling/fortified
broken isle
Sounds fun to watch
potent anvil
Inb4 1 hour+ long keys.
distant crystal
viewers vote for the allstar healer/dps/tanks
top 2 healers/tanks go to teams, top 6 dps
put some minor prize in there so the players actually try
tame garden
Infested+beguiling yikes
strong forum
enchanted + reaping
sullen valve
Daily reminder i hope you all had a good holiday and wowA is amazing :)
distant crystal
sullen valve
tame garden
mortal brook
brittle owl
sick sentinel
tame garden
🐻 👍
tame garden
chilly brook
We also are mildly helpful
chilly brook
I don't trust bears
oblique garnet
Wdym you guys are very helpful 🙂 Hardly ever the SF have to intervene
manic scaffold
which azerite trait do i wanna stack
distant crystal
bom
sick sentinel
Brace for my impact
unkempt condor
has anyone been setting up a BiS prot gearlist for nyalotha raiding?
oblique garnet
@ionic fern maybe
sick sentinel
BiS prot gear list includes a helmet, shoulders, and chest. As well as a neat new cape
graceful linden
We still capping 20-22% haste next season? I’m speaking mostly for mythic plus
strong forum
nobody is capping haste at those levels
analog zinc
^^
strong forum
that has been a bad recommendation ever since people started to think its a cap
unkempt condor
@analog zinc i requested access to your spreadsheet
analog zinc
how do i allow access
strong forum
you want those levels MINIMUM but thats about it
no cap at all
you want as much haste as you can get
unkempt condor
i've been on 13% haste and had no issues so far
unkempt condor
waiting on 8.3 to start farming again
strong forum
the only thing that 20-22% haste allows you is chaining 3x SB
analog zinc
unkempt condor
no point in farming now as the ilvl will go up anyway
strong forum
obv
graceful linden
All top warriors are stacking crit, since season 2 though
strong forum
that has nothing to do with haste
warm plinth
I mean, you have more than 13% once ITF comes into it though
unkempt condor
@analog zinc thanks man, now I can compare to mine 🙂
analog zinc
people stack crit?
unkempt condor
crit builds are fun, but you're sacrificing either haste or vers for it
strong forum
the 20-22% meme has started with streamers saying that, because it allows you to chain 3x SB, while crit gains value if you reach that point, its by NO MEANS a cap
analog zinc
the only cap prot war has
strong forum
people are at that point more crit oriented for dmg output and parry
but calling it a cap is wrong
strong forum
you want to aim to have 20-22% minimum, not cap it there
unkempt condor
so you want to stack haste on your haste?
unkempt condor
i should really look into getting more sockets
analog zinc
i have 2 sockets on this char 😮
unkempt condor
same here
analog zinc
i have 1673 haste with 2 sockets
warm plinth
I have 1510 haste. Only one socket, which has my 120 str gem
But I also have 1468 crit so I'm okay with it 😄
warm plinth
You should use your highest ilevel, whatever that gives you. Remember you have ITF giving you haste too
strong forum
not having haste on rings is a sin
warm plinth
But yeah, I'd drop like 5-10 ilevels on a ring if it was like a haste ring vs a no haste ring
tame garden
More haste = more fun
strong forum
i just think being at subpar haste levels hurts more than having mastery vers
but hey
analog zinc
do wars use strength gems?
strong forum
yes
unkempt condor
I have 430 rings now, would it be better to get the crafted rings from rustbolt?
420 but i think guaranteed socket
oblique garnet
imagine not having 9 sockets 🙂
warm plinth
That's what Bastion is for
analog swift
man i can't wait to go back to warrior
such a fun tool kit for tank plus big damage
short temple
how many ilvls are Defening clash worth?
analog swift
15~ on your first
analog swift
zero on your second
swapped to monk for my guild (was gm/rl at the time) and we didn't have one
had to regrind all the essences like week 3
warm plinth
Oh
analog swift
also i felt monk was better in high keys this season tbh
one i first ring of peaced out a tide i felt like such a fucking god
warm plinth
How'd you do score-wise?
analog swift
monk got to 2686~
warm plinth
Nice
analog swift
yeah
thanks bb
was 2.3K last season from full pugging on the warrior
probs should have stayed warrior, legit in the first 3 weeks, got a 440 socketed shield, 440 weapon, 445 socketed pants and 440 socketed belt
warm plinth
I was pretty proud of myself this season. Only 2103 but it's the highest I've ever been by a long shot. Love having a stable group
analog swift
that's awesome man
warm plinth
That was my warrior lol!
analog swift
yeah i ended up pugging one key trying to get 2.7K and timed a 21 AD
but the feeling doing it w/ randos vs. doing it w/ a group is completely different
warm plinth
Literally 445 shield first cache, 440 wep 2nd cache, got a 445 rezan not long ago, 445 recal card. So silly and not even what I play 😭
analog swift
LOL
oh yeah 430 socketed gore crusted first week LOL
but yeah like we always timed 20 underrots
warm plinth
The fuckin alt luck man
analog swift
and last push week
warm plinth
We've only timed one 19 so far, but we also basically missed the last push week 😦
analog swift
we got a 20 frehold then failed the 21 underrot, then 20 freehold timed it and did the 21 and it was our first 21 and it was just so awesome
RIP
warm plinth
My tank was out of town the first half and I was out of town the 2nd half
analog swift
because that feeling of fucking up a key knowing exactly what you did wrong and then fixing it
warm plinth
Yep. We actually got the luckiest 20 we could have gotten lol
We did 19 UR and got a 20 FH
Missed timer on the FH by 5 mins which I think is pretty good for our first one ever
analog swift
yeah absolutely
i think our first 20 was an underrot as well, that has quickly turned into the easiest dungeon
i think also it's pretty much the same each week
warm plinth
Yeah we're always really happy to get Underrot
analog swift
regaridng of beguilign or affixes
so we got tons of practice
actually a 20 KR was our proudest key
warm plinth
Oh damn
analog swift
so clean, zul skip all that jazz
warm plinth
We've only timed a 16 KR and AD LUL
analog swift
LOL
warm plinth
But mostly because we just never get them tbh
warm plinth
We got a lot of KRs this week but well, it's this week
warm plinth
We ended up just doing a 19 FH and calling it
warm plinth
Yeah, and sometimes it's on weeks that are otherwise not bad
analog swift
yeah we tried a 20 td (one of our last 20s) and scuffed it twice
yeah
like raging necrotic
normally good week
warm plinth
Yep
warm plinth
It's okay though because we got FIFTEEN DAYS
analog swift
I KNOW
warm plinth
And then beguiling can fuck off forever
warm plinth
Yeah, I don't mind beguiling. It was interesting but I won't miss it
analog swift
take strategy
easy counterable
like
void would be interesting, at least kind of, if the damage was removed by like
a quarter
warm plinth
Voids would've been a little more tolerable if they didn't have so much fuckin HP
analog swift
it still fucks up your shroud
warm plinth
Or yeah the damage could just be reduced a bit
analog swift
it also shouldn't be the most deadly
or better yet
enchanted sees stealth
that would be balanced
also as dratnos said at one point
they put voids in packs that are skipped
WHICH ARE ALREADY THE HARDEST PACKS
THATS WHY THEY ARE SKIPPED
warm plinth
yeah it's super weird because some dungeons you can damn near skipe very void
skip every*
Like FH on void week you do what, 3 voids maybe?
The start, the one by Harlan, and the one before harlan
analog swift
yeah
tame garden
Void in front of volkaal proves that no1 at blizz plays the game
tame garden
Lmao
autumn pendant
Pack before volkaal is literally hellspawn
analog swift
it was THIS close to being in there during teeming quaking
tame garden
Or how about
tame garden
Void with windspeaker heldis on BOLSTERING so you cant even do the smallies separately
tame garden
Cant burn void cuz then you'll bolster. Have to pull smallies away from heldis, kill out of bolstering range, kill her, deal with void
Basically forced to just death skip it
toxic gyro
Or have Druid mass root smallness, and you deal with them and void after heldis is dead
You can also skip that pack without dying but it’s a bit tricky
warm plinth
Can you? With the void there?
distant crystal
void is to the left isn't it?
you can shroud right
or if void is to the right, you can do the mount hop thing
strong forum
void is on left
tame garden
It's to the left
strong forum
afaik
distant crystal
unless it's impossible to pull smallies w/o aggroing void
but shroud right will work then
tame garden
Pulling smallies does pull the void
distant crystal
it's just that you usually want shroud for runecarver
tame garden
Which pulls heldis
distant crystal
but 2 rogues works
distant crystal
could also invis pot it :p
distant crystal
man the no-death "tank riding druid" thing is so cool in that dungeon
it's ridiculously easy to pull off
warm plinth
Where do you stop for that?
Also pretty sure any 2 seater works; you don't have to ride your friend you sicko
😏
tame garden
Exploiting 
distant crystal
people snap in MDI :p
tame garden
Ban them all
warm plinth
Where's the spot that you stop though?
distant crystal
it's where the stairs form a point
tame garden
Top of the bridge
distant crystal
if you're asking me
you dip to that spot to make them evade then haul ass to top of stairs
tame garden
The snap is on the stairs ye
distant crystal
if anyone fucked up and didn't drop combat, they run down to die
for some reason our hpal kept combat 2nd time we did it
first time we all dropped
if you're slow to get up the ramp is when it can happen
i think it's like 10-15 seconds after the evade that you need to be clear of the mobs
tame garden
Idk I'm fine with snapping to group a pull but evade bugging to skip is iffy
distant crystal
both shouldn't be a thing tbh
warm plinth
It's still so crazy to go from them fixing a snap in Legion to letting it have free reign in BFA
distant crystal
along with the healer/ranged getting somewhere unpathable to make a trash ability not happenn
tame garden
What did they fix in legion
warm plinth
The cats in DHT
warm plinth
The thing in the water? I don't think so
tame garden
Where youd go in the water and they'd leap to the bottom
chilly brook
@warm plinth tbh I put it down to them not knowing what they want or just simply not caring
chilly brook
My money is on the second
warm plinth
Probably Griff
Later on they'll scold us for it
and ban people
Because they're super consistent
chilly brook
Especially since BfA hasn't been their most popular xpac I think they're staying away from rocking the boat too much on m+
But that's just me
Sooo
Got an hour and a half left on my shift, all my work is done and I have my switch....
toxic gyro
I’m scared of kr in 8.3... they fixed dh skip, nerfed some abilities but didn’t nerf shadow of zul...
tame garden
Not as much as his damage
random urchin
Our hp pool going up doesn’t really matter
distant crystal
it's not going up more than M+ dmg scales
toxic gyro
His dmg will go up too...
tame garden
Back to lusting him I suppose
distant crystal
maybe healer throughput will outpace it
toxic gyro
Last time I’ve done it on I think 20 tyr , my Druid did 80k hps and I did 35 or 40
And I still died at the very end
We barely killed it
random urchin
I just want to get my hands on that new essence that heals us when we block. Interested to see how it works in a live setting
chilly brook
Probably not that great tbh
random urchin
Yeah, but I can dream right?
toxic gyro
Interesting essence 🤔
chilly brook
In the moments where we could use self sustain like non blockable damage it won't do you any good
toxic gyro
I haven’t looked into new essences yet
chilly brook
In the moments where you are blocking your self sustain won't be more useful than the damage you could have from another essence
toxic gyro
M+ wise healing on blocks sounds great
analog swift
Why?
chilly brook
At least imo
You don't need healing on block as a warrior
We don't need self sustain
analog swift
Need heals when you’re taking the least amount of damage
chilly brook
We aren't self sustain tanks
toxic gyro
Majority of dmg we take still comes from melee
analog swift
sure
chilly brook
Yes and we mitigate a helluva lot of it
analog swift
And we take like no damage from that
warm plinth
yeah but the point is that a blocked hit does next to nothing
So you're getting healed when you already weren't taking anything
analog swift
It’s the unlocked hits that hurt
chilly brook
Hence why it's not good
toxic gyro
Does the essence do healing based on dmg taken or flat amount for just blocking
analog swift
That’s effectively like getting heals when you aren’t tanking a raid boss
chilly brook
It doesn't matter if it's a flat amount or based on damage taken
analog swift
^^
distant crystal
just make it work like valanyr
analog swift
Same reason why I feel urchin is overrated for prot warrior
distant crystal
overheals grant a bubble >:D
analog swift
It’s all over heals
distant crystal
naw
analog swift
Well contributes to more overhealing generally
chilly brook
It only does anything if you're not at 100%
It can be less useful but it never actually overheals
analog swift
I mean it’s not bad but rezans imo is better defensive
Yeah I didn’t say bad just overrated
distant crystal
naw
toxic gyro
If you take constant healing your healer don’t fall behind
chilly brook
Your healer should never fall behind when you're a prot warrior and you can block most of the damage in m+...
toxic gyro
I guess we’ll see in 8.3
toxic gyro
Most mobs in m+ do some sort of magic dmg
chilly brook
@toxic gyro we haven't needed help in self sustain since legion, it's not going to change in 8.3.....
toxic gyro
Maybe not most but a lot
distant crystal
also holy shit did i use victory rush poorly there
chilly brook
Which is it? You say the majority of the damage we take is melee but now you're arguing for magic damage making us need self sustain now?
And unless it's long term magic damage we have tools to mitigate it
toxic gyro
Majority of dmg we take is physical but there is still good amount of magic..
You’re pretty defensive lol
chilly brook
No your logic just doesn't make sense
We wouldn't even benefit from the essence in the magic cases
Since you won't be blocking it
ionic fern
What essence are we talking about?
chilly brook
Somethint about 8.3 heal on block essence
distant crystal
i mean it would be in situations where you're getting meleed and also taking magic dmg
toxic gyro
Idk how high keys you’re doing but I find trinkets like urchin pretty good in m+
distant crystal
but yeah i think the essence will be pretty dookie
chilly brook
Urchin is good
distant crystal
the most dangerous magic dmg we take is often times when we aren't getting melee'd at all
ionic fern
Heals you when you block? 🤔
chilly brook
No one said it wasn't
distant crystal
rixxa n whatnot
ionic fern
There's one that heals you when you dodge/parry.
distant crystal
zul
i guess if it's strong enough that you could just pull giant with it and live easier
chilly brook
The difference between urchin and most other defensive/self sustain is that urchin is always useful as long as you're taking damage
toxic gyro
For ml I usually go but more haste vers instead of haste crit and use minor null barrier
ionic fern
Have i missed a new essence coming out or are you guys messing something up with the "Heals when blocks"?
chilly brook
Ah my b
tame garden
Jebaited
chilly brook
It was @random urchin
random urchin
I’m at work and had to step away. Definitely mistyped when I said block. That’s the essence I was referencing though
ionic fern
Ah, okay. 🙂
toxic gyro
Jebaited
chilly brook
So even less useful tbh
toxic gyro
toxic gyro
I mean we have around 30% parry , depends on your crit
Would be nice if it worked like urchin
chilly brook
But that's even more opportunity for the healing to be wasted
toxic gyro
Prob good one for brm
chilly brook
Just give us an essence that restores IP to legion 99% and stacking 6x
🙃
We'd be broke
But hey
analog swift
Gives us battle cry
chilly brook
Other tanks get to be broke for an entire xpac
We get one patch if we're lucky typically less
analog swift
Warrior tank was mega sleeper in antorus
toxic gyro
Bc slam slam slam slam
analog swift
Battle cry on a 20 sec cd
distant crystal
did we even have a 1 bad patch tho
tame garden
Not rly
toxic gyro
During uldir we got buff
distant crystal
what got buffed
tame garden
Can block ranged attacks
warm plinth
Projectile blocking, Vanguard buff
tame garden
That was big
toxic gyro
Stam and armor I think
distant crystal
guildy and i were talking about that but i couldn't remember any
warm plinth
block CD got reduced at that point too I think
distant crystal
ahh
warm plinth
From 18 to 16
tame garden
IP off gcd
sick sentinel
Classes in uldir were fine it was the raid that needed fixing
toxic gyro
Not saying we weren’t, but we we were way more squishy than other tanks before buffs
strong forum
warri was already a physical god back then
sick sentinel
Are you sure your level of play was t buffed by experience cause prot in uldir felt normal
chilly brook
We took way less damage than any tank in uldir
toxic gyro
When the buff went live?
chilly brook
No
strong forum
before
chilly brook
The "buff" happened in 8.1 after uldir
sick sentinel
EHRPS my bum
strong forum
i had to get swapped off of add tank on zul cuz the adds died passively cuz they didnt get any healing from attacking
so our bdk tanked em cuz he took way more dmg
distant crystal
i brought my arms warrior for our only M Zul kill
chilly brook
@distant crystal we didn't require much ehrps in uldir
distant crystal
because our normal warrior was out and somebody had to buff the rogues
felt real bad having to dodge the adds with my bladestorm tho
distant crystal
bending over backwards to only hit Zul xD
chilly brook
And the stam/armor buff was essentially nothing it was essentially just to changes the community perception of the class
distant crystal
ip off gcd was prob the biggest buff there
sick sentinel
Aka nerfed bdk and people said hey prot seems fun
distant crystal
forgot about that one
strong forum
it was mainly the bdk nerf and ranged block
sick sentinel
Can you imagine Jaina without that
chilly brook
IP off gcd was a welcome change
strong forum
it was welcome obv
distant crystal
is that portugese
tame garden
Are those shields
strong forum
max ilvl
tame garden
Always ilvl
strong forum
thats shield
surreal oak
what is best?
shield>430 + critic + mastery
our
425 = critic + haste
strong forum
on shield ALWAYS ilvl
surreal oak
hahahahah
sick sentinel
I feel like I just got assaulted by pictures of shields
Thought I was having a stroke
vagrant flame
in soviet russia Portuguese, shield hit on you
sick sentinel
I do not understand
surreal oak
sick sentinel
Also is that a howler and a vial I see in the background
sick sentinel
Don’t say zekvoz I get war flashbacks
I’m convinced mages and warlocks unbind their movement keys on that boss
chilly brook
And I was on thrash duty for this
Honestly the only time my ehrps spiked that tier was vectis
Oh and the attempts on zul because his stupid bleed
Oh wait jk
I quit because my guild died xD
strong forum
on basically any boss besides Taloc Mother and Zul i had less EHRPS than BDK tank
and ghuun was even
chilly brook
I had less ehrps on most against my old cotank who was a brm that tier
Prot was legitimately more than fine that tier but for some reason people drank the "prot was squishy and garbage" koolaid
chilly brook
Lmao
strong forum
thats interestingly low
chilly brook
I kinda wanna look at oit qc kill now
oblique garnet
i mean thats if you go full defensive
strong forum
thats my 99 log
strong forum
Warri bad for court btw xDDD
oblique garnet
only if you stay outside
strong forum
i stand outside once
oblique garnet
im never outside
chilly brook
Our monk couldn't stay alive somehow
tame garden
🐻
chilly brook
I was the no healing decree outside shield bitch
strong forum
ye same
chilly brook
Otherwise we lost a tank every time
strong forum
na not even
chilly brook
I just made sure I got externals
chilly brook
I had to make sure the bop was saved for him
strong forum
then i pop shieldwall as the cast starts on Zealous
and im fine
no other cds needed
chilly brook
Because somehow he had a talent for dying in that phase
manic scaffold
no versatility?
strong forum
no
manic scaffold
alright
strong forum
haste is our best stat
manic scaffold
ty
strong forum
you have almost no haste on gear
manic scaffold
got it
chilly brook
@manic scaffold well make sure you have 2 strength gems
Strength is good too
Oof
I just checked our guild discord
My cotank got hit with the night night
manic scaffold
alright
sick sentinel
What does the night night mean
sick sentinel
Ya hate to see it
sick sentinel
Or pug bosses in mythic
chilly brook
Tbh
On a shield
You want ilvl
You can fuss around about trying to get good secondaries after
tame garden
4 hours isnt that bad
sick sentinel
Just get 450 socketed week1 4head
tame garden
Took me weeks to get a shield
chilly brook
Could be worse
sick sentinel
I had a shaman get a 455 socketed shield off radiance on our first kill
chilly brook
Could just never get 3x bom
sick sentinel
A piece of me died inside
chilly brook
@sick sentinel that reminds me of uldir
warm plinth
Need to work on your elitism Hawgz
warm plinth
Elitists take all the loot
chilly brook
That he couldn't trade
tame garden
At least bom is in every piece next tier
sick sentinel
I threatened to ddos if he didn’t give it to me and when he said “I can’t trade it” I didn’t accept that answer
chilly brook
Before they changed shields to not be able to tf
tame garden
Did I see correctly that theres only 1 shield in nyalotha
sick sentinel
I hope it’s off the 11th boss
chilly brook
Stop
tame garden
Yikes
chilly brook
I hope it's off the 1st
oblique garnet
Its from like one of the last ones 🙂
sick sentinel
K VALUE
chilly brook
I know it's not
chilly brook
But I'd actually just like to not deal with feeling worse off with the same gear until I get another shield to be on about the same spot I was before the patch
sick sentinel
Oh good at least I’ll be able to slice the boss harder while it is kicking my shit in due to bad shield
chilly brook
Facts
sick sentinel
Yeah but then I have to m+ so
chilly brook
@tame garden I think this is a conspiracy to stop prot
@toxic gyro uhhh I guess?
Your only mythic quality shield is going to be out of mythic
Cuz m+ no longer tf
sick sentinel
Yeah but m+ cache is mythic quality to balance now isn’t it
toxic gyro
I think base m+ ilvl is like 5 below mythic?
chilly brook
M+ cache is in between heroic and mythic iirc with a 15
toxic gyro
Or 10
sick sentinel
God I have to run m+ every week now vomit
chilly brook
What does mythic nyalotha drop? I can't be bothered to do the math
sick sentinel
7
tame garden
475
strong forum
485 from last 2 475 from rest
tame garden
^
toxic gyro
I think some trinkets from raid seems pretty nice
broken isle
Mythic lvl without doing mythic raiding tho
strong forum
8.3 is gonna be an amazing m+ season
chilly brook
So you get 5 ilvl better than heroic for doing 15s at the end
toxic gyro
There is one good for mitigating magic
chilly brook
Oof
sick sentinel
Does it make me do more dps
strong forum
lowkey the best they coulda done without making m+ loot completely irrelevant
tame garden
Agreed
toxic gyro
U can’t do dmg when ure dead
chilly brook
I still think m+ should reward something closer to mythic raid at a certain key level
sick sentinel
Quit dying then
tame garden
Its 10 ilvl below
strong forum
its fine like this
tame garden
That's p close
strong forum
475 weekly chest with guaranteed corruption
tame garden
And you get mythic from weekly
strong forum
is pretty fucking good
toxic gyro
It’s only shadow of zul
sick sentinel
You’re pretty fucking good
chilly brook
I think 5 below would have been better but that's nitpicking at this point
broken isle
Anyone not raiding because the weekly cache got better?
tame garden
5 ilvl below and the raiders would cut
sick sentinel
No because I wallow in self loathing so I will continue to raid
chilly brook
Raiders are entitled babies
toxic gyro
I only raid bc of gear and mounts
strong forum
if at all
tame garden
I will still raid grudgingly for trinkets and weapons
chilly brook
At least the ones that think mythic raid should be the only Avenue to highest ilvl
sick sentinel
Only reason i raid is so I can link cutting edge when people tell me I’m bad in pvp
tame garden
Lmao
toxic gyro
Lol
broken isle
Difference between m+ and raiding is that u tolerate 4 spergs instead of 19 of them
toxic gyro
Git Gud
tame garden
Easier to find 4 spergs you enjoy playing with than 19
chilly brook
@broken isle tbh at a certain key level m+ is definitely harder
chilly brook
Fun content when?
strong forum
never
chilly brook
F
sick sentinel
🇫
tame garden
10m mythic would be so good
strong forum
yup
sick sentinel
Teams would blow through it so quickly
chilly brook
I just want them to start designing systems and dungeons and raids with fun in mind not with "engagement" in mind
sick sentinel
Lul blizzard and fun
chilly brook
I know
sick sentinel
Rip reaping
chilly brook
I want a company that doesn't exist anymore
hallow belfry
how bad are the mechagon bracers?
chilly brook
🙁
sick sentinel
Do people still run mechagon
chilly brook
I will next tier
hallow belfry
yes, because ppl are like help me on my alt
chilly brook
For that juicy haste proc
sick sentinel
Hate gnometown
tame garden
And ye ppl need visions on alts
ionic fern
@hallow belfry if it's base ilvl and you got anything higher take higher ilvl.
hallow belfry
i have it in 445
ionic fern
tame garden
Noice
ionic fern
And your other bracers?
chilly brook
AND THAT HELMET WILL BE BEAUTIFUL OFF THE VENDOR
tame garden
What do the plate bracers even do
sick sentinel
When will I get this guys luck
tame garden
When you git gud
sick sentinel
See ya never
broken isle
@chilly brook I can see how the timings to interrupt/stun multiple mobs at once can be very difficult, without a doubt if one person messes up in a huge pull its over
sick sentinel
Get your bear turd boy bum out of here
ionic fern
I'd use the mechagon bracers for dps purposes only but for general usage i'd go with the 450 ones.
chilly brook
@broken isle wat?
hallow belfry
thank you very much
broken isle
M+ being harder than raids?
chilly brook
Oh
chilly brook
Well in general m+ at a certain level just is harder, damage intake is higher, things become one shots, you're under a timer etc.
sick sentinel
M+ is harder than raiding after like the 19 level tbh
chilly brook
Like past a certain point you simply just can't mess up
And you don't get a do over
sick sentinel
But harder is a weak term cause it is comparing apples to oranges
broken isle
Did azshara have the same lvl of difficulty?
tame garden
Raiding you can try over and over
chilly brook
You wipe on a boss you lusted on too bad you don't get it again until sated is gone
tame garden
Key you get 1shot then its bricked
sick sentinel
I feel like they are just different
distant crystal
it's cliche but the harder part about mythic raiding is rounding up 20 competant players
manic scaffold
ngl it feels nice being a tank cause everyone is usually desperate for one lol
manic scaffold
only part now i gotta re learn all the fights
chilly brook
M+ is harder than raiding
broken isle
Difficult for different reasons
distant crystal
M+ is also unncapped difficulty
ionic fern
There's plenty of material out there luckily @manic scaffold
chilly brook
@distant crystal right which is part of why I don't think there's a valid argument that mythic raiding is more difficult or any more deserving of better rewards
broken isle
The recruitment officer gets the rewards lol
ionic fern
And if you got any specific questions about encounters then ask ask away.
sick sentinel
Yes I will answer your questions poorly and then be shooed away
tame garden
Raiding and m+ have same ilvl rewards on weekly lockout next tier
Besides last 2 bosses ofc
sick sentinel
I like that they added the 15 loot buff
distant crystal
the loot disparity isn't really about which is harder
it's about not wanting to force everyone to spam M+ for loot
to use in raid
chilly brook
Technically not the same both will be feast or famine but one will have more chances of more rewards
distant crystal
and raiding is the sort of iconic top-end content of this game historically
broken isle
I mean the concept of being forced to do anything in wow is complicated
chilly brook
@distant crystal technically you're forced to raid for m+ competition
Especially next tier
chilly brook
Which is stupid
tame garden
Idk
sharp night
the one bad thing about the loot buff is that on ptr, people who only do 10s for weekly are screwed because a 10-11 now gives relatively 5 lower ilvl than it did in the past
tame garden
Plenty if ppl push high keys without raiding
And plenty will do so next tier as well imo
ionic fern
I don't mind you guys chit chatting about this but please do remember to give adequate feedback to protection specific questions that may pop up in between your chat.
sick sentinel
chilly brook
@tame garden yes but next tier is different since weapons and ilvl difference on the last two
tame garden
Oops
manic scaffold
should i run ML or atal dazar for the shield
distant crystal
normally i'd say ML
sick sentinel
ML is better stats but atal is easier to farm
tame garden
Technically ml
distant crystal
cause if you're spamming might as well spam for the good piece
but fuck ML this week
sharp night
15 drops 465/475 weekly, 12-14 gives 460/470w, and 10-11 drops 455/465w
distant crystal
that too
tame garden
Yeah I spammed atal instead cuz faster runs
broken isle
Atal has the best gear overall for u
tame garden
When I was going for shield
sick sentinel
Bears don’t use shields
tame garden
Smh
peak lily
what do you guys think about blightborne for m+?
tame garden
I have an alt
sick sentinel
Blightborne gud
distant crystal
@peak lily
broken isle
So long as u got 3 bom and 1 clap, that's a nice one to have too
left hatch
irrc only reason Blighborne isn't in our ideal BIS is because it isn't on BoM pieces
distant crystal
not sure if there's any BBI pieces with a better trait on that row
broken isle
Wouldn't sacrifice a bom for a blightborne
left hatch
or maybe its because theres no BBI pieces with OP but either way it gud but there's better
peak lily
yeah, currently have vengeful and deep den chests 😦
sick sentinel
Deep den is turtle city I love it lol
peak lily
so my options are blightborne+bloodsport or BfI+IF
strong forum
🐢 👉 🚪
distant crystal
nono
distant crystal
^^
sick sentinel
Bloodsport is yucky
broken isle
I use bloodsport and it's not fun
sick sentinel
Well that’s fake news it is ok there is just better
distant crystal
bfi bbi gutripper
left hatch
its great for padding them HPS parses.... just like leech
distant crystal
or CC if you must
sick sentinel
LEECH
peak lily
my shoulders would be bastion+bfi
would you take 2x bfi then?
instead of one bloodsport?
distant crystal
sure
left hatch
BFI stacks great
distant crystal
bfi stacks well
sick sentinel
Bfi is a great trait
broken isle
Bfi stacks
sick sentinel
distant crystal
if you wanna do a topgear sim @peak lily and link it
we can take a look and suggest trait swaps
left hatch
or even just saying what pieces you have
urban briar
what do u zim az prot?
distant crystal
deeps
urban briar
what kind of zim
strong forum
top gear patchwerk 1 boss 5min
distant crystal
you're too much effort
strong forum
strong forum
an overview like this would be easier
distant crystal
so ashvane helm DC + bom + OP
distant crystal
scorcher shoulders bom /BFI / UF
can do UC if you're feelin saucy
vengeful BFI BBI gutripper
imho
peak lily
strong forum
ye so helmet is fine
distant crystal
the link works fine 😛