protection

[exotic spoke]

Taunt pull to split and then heroic throw / storm bolt

I don’t either lol

[winged grail]

I throw it a couple of times then I let my healer take care of it

[toxic gyro]

What for if u can pull pack without triggering emissary and vice versa? And deal with it when pack is dying

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much. Storm bolt it if you need to and that’s pretty@much done

Then you’re dealing with it at the same time and we can do that too with heroic throws / storm bolts

[toxic gyro]

Rop is really op for this season affix

[exotic spoke]

Just like monk would with ROP and such

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged grail]

My only issue was last week tbh

Keeping aggro while throwing

[analog zinc]

throw in between claps

[exotic spoke]

I think saying we’re worst at emissaries is factually wrong was my whole point

[toxic gyro]

I didn’t say that, but monks Rop is op for emissaries

[analog zinc]

you haven't done shit to refute wars being bad at tides

[exotic spoke]

You didn’t - someone else did

I did actually

It’s a non issue because of z axis shenanigans allowing us to kick / drum / cc shit and we have very powerful cooldowns that we can cycle pretty quickly

Shield wall, demo, IP for the magic damage, last stand for extr health, spell reflect for mitigation, etc

We have a ton of options. Find a pebble for the tides to stand on and just kick away

[unkempt condor]

try bear for a change, they're much worse

[winged grail]

Riki could you tell more about this Z Axis thing?

[warm plinth]

If the tides is higher than the mobs, the aura doesn't hit the mobs

[exotic spoke]

If the tides is higher than thr other mobs the aura doesn’t effect them and you can CC / kick the mobs

[warm plinth]

So you can abuse the shit out of stairs or hills to make it not actually work

[winged grail]

Hmmm that's neat

I figured sometimes it wasn't covering, but didn't know why

[exotic spoke]

And it’s a tiny difference that’s needed. A reallly small change in Z axis is enough

[warm plinth]

That's why if you've never noticed, the dust devil or whatever (the healing mob) in Temple at the bottom of the stairs at the beginning is often interruptable as long as the tides doesn't move much when you pull

[winged grail]

Yeah

[exotic spoke]

So, because of our mitigation tools and how quickly some of them cycle. While we aren’t the best for dealing with the magic damage we have answers for it.

Anecdotally, if we are the worst at emissaries why are we still so prevalent? Yeah our physical mitigation / dps is great but if we are literally the worst I don’t think that would make up for it like it does

[winged grail]

Well our DPS is now subpar compared to basically everyone

But yeah, still prot is top 2

Let's see next patch 🙂

[exotic spoke]

It’s subpar compared to everyone?

[oblique garnet]

@analog zinc taunt knocks back the emissary among other things basically any action towards it counts you can also position yourself between the pack and enchanted

Our dps is higher on aoe than any other tanks

[strong forum]

Prot has the highest dps of all tanks, only pally being stronger in ST in an m+ setting.
No idea where you got from that warri has subpar dps to others @winged grail

[analog zinc]

pally loses a lot of ST damage by not running sera

[oblique garnet]

Monk has higher st

But significantly lower aoe

[strong forum]

Mh, I'd still think pally destroys ST

But I haven't played since bod cuz it seems unappealing to me right now

[analog zinc]

bear is by far best aoe damage too

[strong forum]

:think:

[exotic spoke]

Dafuq are you smoking

[oblique garnet]

Bear isnt even close to warrior

[strong forum]

Haven't seen other tanks pull 40k+ but warri

[exotic spoke]

Can you please stop spreading misinformation?

[oblique garnet]

Like legit whats the % of thc in the weed youre smokig

[exotic spoke]

And can you share please?

[analog zinc]

literally just press thrash & swipe & you can beat any prot war

[west mica]

🤔

[analog zinc]

stack triple WFR

[strong forum]

🤔

Ya idk fam, sounds like bad bait

[exotic spoke]

Literally just press avatar and spam TC - stack BOM

I can do that too

[analog zinc]

you're buttery smooth but can effortlessly pull 40k

[strong forum]

I cba with you anymore

[exotic spoke]

I can do that too and have amazing mitigation and probably do more than 40k 🙂

Again, please stop spreading misinformation

[analog zinc]

post some meters then chief

[exotic spoke]

I’m at work but sure?

[oblique garnet]

Close btw

[exotic spoke]

^^

I have some with me over the course of the whole dungeon doing 35k. Not just aoe - but that’s also including single targets. If I snapshot the after aoe pulls it’ll be like 80k lol

[south yarrow]

there is a difference between bear aoe dps in a fully sustained scenario

like orgozoa or something

and warrior in m+ where there's downtime

[oblique garnet]

Thats overall from dungeon btw

[exotic spoke]

So he did 20k more than you overall for a dungeon

[oblique garnet]

Which isnt a boost run

[exotic spoke]

I don’t pull as big as late, and never have, but yeah

[analog zinc]

i wanna know how you did 60k in a run

[exotic spoke]

Pull big

[strong forum]

Pull big

[broken isle]

Pull big

[oblique garnet]

3-4 packs all the time pulling trash with bosses?

[exotic spoke]

Pop avatar

Win

[empty nacelle]

i think you pull big

[exotic spoke]

But yeah, saying bears do more than us is cute

[oblique garnet]

Tbf

My gear is pretty stacked

Not to mention i have bis azerite

[strong forum]

Bear does have good aoe yes

[warm plinth]

Late pulls like a crazy person

[strong forum]

But it's not better

[south yarrow]

was gonna say, bear's aoe is pretty insane too

[warm plinth]

He pulls things just to see if he can pull it

[strong forum]

Bear is really good aoe dmg yes

[exotic spoke]

Ditto late. Well for defensives. I wonder if you’re using the same set up

[strong forum]

I haven't broken 50k yet, but I haven't pulled adds into bosses yet

[oblique garnet]

I mean testing your classes and groups limit is the most fun you can have on m+

I dont change my pulls for pugd

Pugs

[strong forum]

Cuz I don't trust my dps to actually do good

[oblique garnet]

That happened to be with guildies

[analog zinc]

whenever i do everyone just dies & I'm left soloing the mobs :<

[oblique garnet]

Well guildies trap alts

[broken isle]

Pugs don't like it when I go ham

[strong forum]

Have yet to see my dps pull 70k....

Which is sad tbh

[analog zinc]

the only person I've seen pull 70k was an arcane mage

[exotic spoke]

For a full dungeon?

[analog zinc]

yeah overall

[strong forum]

They should pump 65k-70k

But they are at 50-55k...

[oblique garnet]

I have one run where i played with friend of mine @bronze lantern

Wasnt a boost

[analog zinc]

i didnt do super big pulls but I did medium size pulls & kept it at a constant 5-9 mobs

[oblique garnet]

Just a random key we joined

[exotic spoke]

Late. You may not have been paid for it - but that definitely ended up as a boost

[strong forum]

My fury in guild were close to 70k

But my fire mage or boomy never broke 60k

[oblique garnet]

Idc as long as i have fun idm doing charity runs on fun weeks

[strong forum]

Been doing charity runs all year tbh

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much. Sometimes it’s just nice to press buttons with friends

[oblique garnet]

But this week for example probably will end up being one and done week

[exotic spoke]

^^

[strong forum]

Fuck bolstering

Can't wait not to play

:sad:

[exotic spoke]

Yarp

Fuck this week

I’m excited to see the new affix next season

[oblique garnet]

@broken isle arent you @sick sentinel friend?

[onyx vessel]

Bolster great

Zzzz

[broken isle]

Nah I'm just a lurker

[oblique garnet]

[broken isle]

I was active in the shaman discord for a while before I swapped tho

[analog zinc]

Me: Bolsters a motherlode mech 9 times
My healer: Can we please stop pulling & just finish this off
Me:

[strong forum]

Ziggy, the name Blackly ring a bell to you?

[broken isle]

Not rly sry

[strong forum]

Ah unluck

He used to be admin in shaman discord but got banned by maeve cuz he told him to fuck off

[broken isle]

Lol that doesn't surprise me

Shaman discord was very highly moderated in legion from my memory

[errant oriole]

Meticulous Scheming or Brance for Impact (1955 haste if it matters)?

[oblique garnet]

Ms

[errant oriole]

thx

[strong forum]

MS is our best trait after Bom and 1st dc

[sage path]

Wait is it really BiS?

[exotic spoke]

It’s absolutely amazing for m+ especially

[distant crystal]

damn

jelly of your base haste tho

[exotic spoke]

Whose?

[distant crystal]

@errant oriole

[exotic spoke]

@distant crystal this is with 3 BoM active and full into the fray stacks

No other procs

[distant crystal]

wtf

you have so much mastery

that 5 itf + BoM

[exotic spoke]

I hit avatar and SS with the three BoM active

You have 7% more crit lol

[distant crystal]

true i guess mastery's rating:% is much bigger

[exotic spoke]

What’s your Ilvl equipped

[distant crystal]

446

with my lil baby 435 urchin

[exotic spoke]

I think I was 449 in that pic. 450 urchin and gore crusted

Erm 440 gore

[analog zinc]

if you get 2199 mastery you'll be guaranteed to crit block during avatar

[distant crystal]

no ty

[exotic spoke]

I’d rather not stack mastery 🙂

I just use the highest Ilvl

Mo haste mo better

[distant crystal]

i'm just glad that i have more haste than any other stat now

tho i did have to drop some ilvl on a ring for it

but it's got a hole so i'm ok w/ dat

[exotic spoke]

I have two MS and some other stat procs from the other inner circles

[distant crystal]

[exotic spoke]

I have 2 OP 1 UF,

[distant crystal]

i'm using scuffed radiance hat

[exotic spoke]

2 bulwark of masses. Can’t remember what the other options are

[distant crystal]

i got rid of both bulwarks

after i saw the healing it did in a few keys

shit has to be broken

[exotic spoke]

Seriously? Fuck my life

[distant crystal]

yeah i run hatchet + longstrider

on my two bulwark pieces

i wanna say bulwark did like

70K healing on the last key i checked

with 2 traits

lol

[strong forum]

I'm running 2x bulwark

It does did little bit less than 1 resounding

In ML 19

Bulwark was 1mil

Resounding like 1.3mil

[distant crystal]

idk maybe like

my edict + resounding was sniping bulwark a ton

or smth

[strong forum]

It's really fucking bad

Nonetheless

[distant crystal]

i was kinda shocked

at just how little it did

[strong forum]

Ye it's terrible

[distant crystal]

it should be better than resounding in theory

[strong forum]

Na cuz more often than not you fight 3 or less

So it doesn't proc

It procs like once per pack

It's like aegis, loses value as soon as smth dies

[analog zinc]

i dont even feel like it procs in 4+ packs

there's no way it should be doing that little healing

[winged grail]

I'm a bit confused why high keys are using C&S as Minor

[exotic spoke]

Because you’re chain pulling and the stacks keep up time as you stay in combat

[distant crystal]

vers is a p good stat

[winged grail]

Yes but

[exotic spoke]

But what?

[winged grail]

Isn't Aegis better?

[analog zinc]

no

strife is constant

[exotic spoke]

No because of the bosses

[analog zinc]

aegis outscales it in big aoe but thats it

[distant crystal]

aegis is better while you're tanking 8+ mobs

[winged grail]

Well

[distant crystal]

c&s is almost as good then, and better for the rest of the dungeon

[winged grail]

I'm not the best at math but

[distant crystal]

C&S minor tooltip is also buggy

if you're seeing 20-something per stack, that's wrong

[winged grail]

Aegis: 70versa for each mob
C&S: 23 versa per stack

[distant crystal]

hehe

C&S is like 55

at max neck

[winged grail]

Oh

That changes quite a bit

True, when I equip it it becomes 55

...

[distant crystal]

the only bad thing about C&S is that it's a kinda slow windup

[winged grail]

I guess I need to go in arenas now

[distant crystal]

and it can fall off in single target occasionally

and ofc it'll fall off longish downtime like if you're waiting on a rez

good to have healers use ST rez so you can start the pull instead of having to stay ooc for a massrez when possible

[winged grail]

Makes sense

[distant crystal]

at some point this weekend i'm getting my warrior + mage + dh to 1600

for the C&S alt grind

_>

[analog zinc]

it shouldn't fall off more in single target

its RPPM

[distant crystal]

idk, it does

at least on my outlaw rogue

maybe energy starve specs have it happen more

[winged grail]

How important is stat distribution in M+?

I'm 1332 Crit / 1051 Haste / 1218 Mastery / 462 Versa

[distant crystal]

having a lot of stats is most important

but if you can shed some mastery for haste it'll flow a little better

[winged grail]

I barely have sockets, I put ilvl first

Except on ring

[distant crystal]

rings are a nice place to shift the distribution

without sacrificing str/armor

[strong forum]

Too much mastery too little haste 👋

Rest is okay

You can lose about 600-700 mastery and squeeze that into haste

But ye ilvl comes first

I'm at 1k crit 1.8k haste 700 700 or some shit

[winged grail]

So as a rule of thumb is it OK to lose 5 ilvl on a ring to get crit/haste instead of crit/mastery?

[distant crystal]

i don't mind losing more than that tbh

[exotic spoke]

But just use the highest Ilvl

[distant crystal]

esp if there's a socket

[exotic spoke]

For most pieces

[distant crystal]

ring ilvl is mostly stam

barely adds secondary stats

[winged grail]

OK thanks

I take it that I should remove my crit enchants from rings to put haste?

[distant crystal]

i would ya

if you're using them for fury or something too, crit isn't awful but

your haste is on the low side

[winged grail]

Last question - socket strength or haste? Instead of the 80

1082 Crit - 1510 Haste - 999 Mastery - 462 Versa

[distant crystal]

i use a 120 and then haste but

idk, an 80 might be worth

[winged grail]

1167 Crit- 1515 Haste - 817 Mastery - 462 Versatility

I guess that's the best I can do for now 😄

[broken isle]

I try to copy the stats of the top m+ prot wars but it's not ideal

[dense tusk]

we did it boys got a 430 shield and a 430 socketed sporepod

and i feeeeeel tanky

[warm plinth]

[winged grail]

Funny I'm 448 ilvl and my worst pieces by far are shield and weapon at 440

No socket

[broken isle]

I don't do high enough keys to take full advantage of c&s major or aegis minor for example

I also see a ton of them not using lucid minor but guides I've read says it's a very good essence

[warm plinth]

I don't use lucid

Vision/sphere/c&s

[broken isle]

That's the most common combo I've seen too

[winged grail]

Depends on the dungeon I guess

Sphere on a SoB for example is kinda wasted no?

Or freehold

[warm plinth]

Why do you say that?

[winged grail]

Low magic damage

[warm plinth]

Sphere doesn't do anything with magic

[distant crystal]

you're thinking null

[warm plinth]

You're thinking of Null

[winged grail]

Oh

Sorry yeah..

[warm plinth]

Sphere is a haste buff

[broken isle]

People may need the haste yea

[warm plinth]

And a 30% move speed reduction but that's not why you use it

[distant crystal]

i'll use u

[warm plinth]

Shhh

[exotic spoke]

I wouldn’t use null in most dungeons. Personally I use vision / lucid / aegis (going to be replaced with CnS next week when I get rank 3)

[warm plinth]

You're an aegis

[exotic spoke]

Sometimes I use undying gift / vision / lucid

I am a shield of humanity you’re right!

[broken isle]

Null is so good

[exotic spoke]

Not really in m+

[warm plinth]

It's not really good in M+

[distant crystal]

i like it in ML

[broken isle]

I can feel the difference in some keys

[distant crystal]

tho i should really look at the healing/dmg it does in those

idk if it's actually worth

[exotic spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant crystal]

feels like a lot of magic trash to keep it poppin

[exotic spoke]

Most of the spells should be kicked / stopped

Even in ML you’re ignoring most of the uninterruptible casts

[broken isle]

Well maybe if pugs kicked more it wouldn't be so good to me lol

[warm plinth]

Null best minor when your group sucks in Shrine 😏

[distant crystal]

get blasted

love it when they kick the wash away tho

👌

[exotic spoke]

Feelsbadman

[warm plinth]

Super helpful

[broken isle]

If I'm in freehold or atal I usually use lucid or aegis

[distant crystal]

i only use lucid for arms now >:D

[warm plinth]

/dance

[distant crystal]

big meme executes

[exotic spoke]

Why don’t you use it for prot?

More rage more better

[distant crystal]

Enough rage!

[exotic spoke]

Never

[warm plinth]

What is it, 2ppm for lucid? So like 30-40 extra rage per minute. How does that compare to rage gain from 4.77% haste or w/e sphere gives

[broken isle]

My guess is that the proc is unreliable compared to the definite stuff u get from the others

[warm plinth]

Haven't done math on rage gain ther but probably not comparable I guess

there*

Yeah I mean sphere is I think 325 haste with basically 100% uptime (100% while being hit anyway)

[exotic spoke]

I had 65 procs in a 41 minute dungeon

With some down time

It is 2 ppm from what I remember

[warm plinth]

Seems low

[exotic spoke]

Yeah that does. We had a good amount of down time

[warm plinth]

So 1950-2600 extra rage

Plus some vers right

[broken isle]

When it proc yea

[distant crystal]

all this talk inspired me to queue a bg

[warm plinth]

I'm so sorry

[distant crystal]

need bote r3 for fury

might as well scoop sphere r3 too

somebody left a winner in progress

[broken isle]

I'm trying to convince myself to get bote r3 again for my rogue

[distant crystal]

jumped into brawl and won 30 seconds later

all the cool kids play iris these days

bote minor is so damned bad for outlaw

all the nosebleed key pushers and mdi boys still run bote tho

[broken isle]

Always get called out for using iris

[warm plinth]

Yeah check out that loaded dice build

Looks way more fun

[distant crystal]

had a nice lively argument about that in the rogue discord today

[warm plinth]

Well theorycrafters have your back now

[distant crystal]

we convinced Lashga to try out iris/ld tho

[warm plinth]

👍

[distant crystal]

he says he's gonna run it for the rest of the season

[warm plinth]

I convinced @sick sentinel to check it out earlier

[exotic spoke]

I had 46 procs in a 24 minute dungeon

[warm plinth]

That's more like it

[distant crystal]

i've been running it for like a month now

[exotic spoke]

So yeah, it looks like 2ppm

[warm plinth]

I like all my haste though

[distant crystal]

as long as i'm not a shitter who holds iris for folly procs too long

[exotic spoke]

And just got bad rng / down time in the KR

[distant crystal]

it's sweet

[warm plinth]

325 from sphere, like 900something from Rezan, 800something from recal

HASTE FOR DAYS

[exotic spoke]

I want a good rezan 😦

[warm plinth]

Mine's 445, not too bad

[exotic spoke]

LIKE I WANT THE 455 SOCKETED DIAMOND GHASH PROMISEDME

[warm plinth]

Listen god damnit

[distant crystal]

i don't even own a rezan

[warm plinth]

Get me a 455 yellow card

And I'll get you a 455 diamond

[broken isle]

I got a 455 mind-control a mech red card in the bank

[warm plinth]

XD

My recal is 445; I'm pretty happy with that

Also you guys know what's fun

Apparently the hacking blue card makes the distract-o-bot circles smaller

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/567205179410219010/658523806071128064/unknown.png

[exotic spoke]

You are altering our agreement

[broken isle]

Lol I actually did the item restore for one just to confirm that

[exotic spoke]

I do not appreciate this @warm plinth

[broken isle]

I was on wowhead and saw a comment that said that in blue text

I was like, well i need that for 8.3

[warm plinth]

Nah you don't though

There's an obelisk right before the distract-o-bots apparently every week

So you can just rift skip them

[broken isle]

Rip

[warm plinth]

Btw coining that term for 8.3

Rift skip

You heard it here first

[exotic spoke]

Just leap over the bots obv

[warm plinth]

I don't think you can? I can't double jump/fel rush over, and you can't lock gate

[broken isle]

I tried it and failed but I'm also bad

[exotic spoke]

The stealth detecting bots?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[exotic spoke]

You absolutely can

[warm plinth]

Then it's gotta be pretty touchy

[exotic spoke]

Do it from within the steam after the first set of bots

[warm plinth]

So you just leap from steam to steam?

[exotic spoke]

Nah, steam to past all the bots. I don’t think you get into the steam right away

Can’t remember but I know you can

[warm plinth]

I'll have to try again. I tried once and it did not work out lol

[broken isle]

Mech m+ is legit exciting but I can see so many things that'll be gross

[exotic spoke]

It’s going to have to be nerfed

[warm plinth]

It's gonna be overtuned af at first

[broken isle]

That boss with tons a lil adds

U think blizz will remove necrotic for that lol

[warm plinth]

Nah because they random aggro

[exotic spoke]

And the boss murders them anyway

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you just activate the pillars and they die pretty quick

And he has two casts that allow for resets too; the charged smash and the rumble initial cast I think has a cast time

[broken isle]

Hopefully

[distant crystal]

gah

i did 3 emissaries on 2 toons

and forgot to grab weekly beforehand

[broken isle]

ouch

[exotic spoke]

Rip

[broken isle]

Barely any trash in upper mech

Tho I'd imagine people will want to skip the trash right before kujo

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't; that's easy trash man!

If Blizz makes the slimes do on-death affixes I'm gonna be pissed

[distant crystal]

idk man those things will murder ppl on fort weeks

idk if there's some counterplay to that dmg they do tho

[warm plinth]

Just pull all of it, let tank DPS it down and LoS during the cast

Or do you mean the drill things?

[distant crystal]

tbh i'm not even sure what does it

i just know ppl drop low on 0

when we kill that trash

[warm plinth]

The slimes blow up when they die and they will fuck you up if you're in line of sight

But you can hide behind the metal pillar things in that area and take 0 damage

So if you just let the tank pull them all to one side of a pillar, then everyone hides, tank kills them (since they have like no HP), then hides during the cast. Easy trash

[broken isle]

I've been told the drill things will do a ton of dmg in higher keys but they're nothing atm

[warm plinth]

Eh, you can avoid everything but their melees too

If you move in the last like .5 seconds of their frontal, you can dodge it, and the drill is completely avoidable

[exotic spoke]

You can fear them btw

And it cancels their explosion

[warm plinth]

Ah yeah, that's also true lul

Riki giving away trade secrets rn 😦

Make them do mechanics damnit

[exotic spoke]

Just run with a spriest and do it in two pulls. You fear once and they fear once 🙂

That is a mechanic

[warm plinth]

Pfft, 2 pulls

ONE PULL

One pull or no balls

[exotic spoke]

@warm plinth I will when you get me a 455 diamond with a socket

[distant crystal]

i got a 420 monday 😐

but since i have jaina mount i'm highly sought after in the bod runs

so one day...

i would also accept a jaina trinket

or even a mekkatorque trinket

bigly forged

[analog swift]

unless they changed it, there's an awakened obelisk before kuju

doggo*

[warm plinth]

Yeah but I doubt you're really gonna be able to skip much in that part of Mecha since there's really not much to it

Like there's less trash in the 2nd half of Mecha than in KR probably lol

[sharp night]

fear only hits 5 targets so you wouldn't even be able to fear all the slimes

just pull all and aoe, los

[exotic spoke]

Or pull in two packs and gear and not care if only a couple hit you. 🙂

ThT sounds like a healing problem. right @sick sentinel

[distant crystal]

sounds like a lack of leech problem tbqhwy

[exotic spoke]

I will hurt you Waat

[distant crystal]

i will leech away the pain

after ignoring some of it

[exotic spoke]

Ever wonder what that 450 geti will feel like when it goes up you sideways?

[distant crystal]

.

[exotic spoke]

The tiny deswind made that

I can’t believe you changed it

[distant crystal]

lol

there ya go

[exotic spoke]

Much better

Sigh, duck work

[distant crystal]

https://nipitinthebud.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/farmer-duck.jpg

[analog zinc]

does WowA work for dungeons?

[distant crystal]

@sullen valve

[ionic fern]

It works in the sense that it will give you feedback regarding casts etc. But because m+ has downtime and a ton of variables you can't actually get anything too useful out of it regardingn m+.

[analog zinc]

i see

so the solution is to never drop combat

might be tough on bolstering but i'll do my best!

[ionic fern]

👌

No point checking it for m+ is what i was aiming at.

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern good answer. You can use time filtering to look at certain bosses though

[astral crystal]

Video games

[lethal current]

so i boosted a prot warrior yesterday and i am starting to gear him up i am mainly looking at pushing M+ with him so which essences should i focus on getting?

[distant crystal]

vop sphere aegis cns

vop is p much required there rest can be mix n matched

[lethal current]

i've talked to some people and they are recommending to run cns major on necrotic weeks is resetting really that problematic

[distant crystal]

it's good, whether it's worth really varies

if there's a 30% slow in your group it's garbo

30%+

[ionic fern]

It's not that problematic. Leap and aoe stun + intervene + group utility.

[distant crystal]

dorf racial >:D

[lethal current]

arcane torrent is too good

[ionic fern]

[lethal current]

i couldve went goblin and rocket jumped away lol

[undone sun]

yeah but then you'd have to go goblin

[lethal current]

is there any victory rush tracking weakaura? i've looked all over the place for it the 20% heal every time something dies seems a bit broken

[distant crystal]

idk i just smash it when the button lights up

if i want a heal :p

[sullen valve]

[lethal current]

what are the best M+ trinkets ?

[left hatch]

bucthers block/ rezans/ edict/ urchin

inkpod, vial and razor coral also have a lot of mileage in them

[wheat talon]

Should I use my 430 vial over my 440 sporepods

[left hatch]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Put the memepods in the trash can

[left hatch]

unless you want to have a promising career as arms pvp

[sick sentinel]

And don’t use vial incorrectly

[wheat talon]

I do also arms pvp, didn't even think of using it for that

[broken isle]

Vial incorrectly? Using it alone vs. pairing it with avatar?

[sweet summit]

not using it right before first TC with demo in avatar

[brazen lion]

Do we still have the IP Proc we did in legion or is it just critting, because sometimes its 70k but others its 100k and I don't know whats causing it

[warm plinth]

IP can't crit. Strength procs/effects would make it go up. So would vers procs @brazen lion

Or anything that increased attack power like Bastion

[brazen lion]

Oh okay it's more than likely during avatar then

[warm plinth]

Probably so 🙂

[sick sentinel]

the ziggy here is a different ziggy

[warm plinth]

RIP ping

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet

[analog swift]

hello, new to prot warrior here but heard they are god next patch/season, I have not read the guides because they are long, what is our haste cap and what essences should we use

[left hatch]

do i NEED a shield or can i do 20's with a 350, its just one slot

[undone sun]

it's highly recommended

[left hatch]

also i see ALL the top people using XYZ, can i ignore guide and copy them 😄

[undone sun]

that'd be unwise

[left hatch]

but leech tho

[analog zinc]

@analog swift i dunno about haste but our mastery cap is 2199 (assuming you have triple bastion)

[left hatch]

(he was memeing)

[analog swift]

😉

[warm plinth]

@analog swift Well you obviously want to use Ripple in Space major because I saw one guy use it one time.

[dark lark]

455 merektha's fang from weekly box. I don't know how to feel about this

[warm plinth]

:/

What do you have other than that

[dark lark]

This thing would've been nice on my blood dk, except he has one already lol

Could use for a meme arms build if I wanted

My trinkets are 430 urchin, 430 socketed edicts, 435 socketed vial, 430 socketed rezan, 430 socketed butcher block

Got pvp trinkets as well

Running my shitty heroic raid trinkets for 19/20s lol

And STILL no helm of abyssal malevolence PepeHands

[warm plinth]

😦

[fair rose]

Will Visions of perfection r3 be spammable?

ion 8.3

[left hatch]

as of right now the parts are dropping off M+ on ptr
but subject to change

[warm plinth]

Oh great, Hawgz is here

[sick sentinel]

31% said : they were confused by the question - Perd Hapley

Oh dang it hawgz is here now you will get meaningful advice kek

🏃skitters away

[marsh silo]

should I replace 430 razdunk's or 415 computation device with haste proc with 430 edicts?

[sick sentinel]

Personally I hate the button so I’d say yes. If you’re looking to do damage, button is prob better but defensively haste proc will be better

[marsh silo]

ty

[sick sentinel]

God bless you sir merry chrima

Look at me being not toxic

[unkempt condor]

for prog you want the cyclotronic blast when offtanking no?

in raids that is

[left hatch]

you want whatever trinket gives you the most dps overall, unless you're in like.... top 100 its doubtful you NEED the heavy burst of cyclotronic to hit the super super strict phasing breakpoints they need to make

with that being said Cyclotronic is a really good ST dps trinket, and because of how the N'zoth fight is setup it's likely it'll remain relevent

[sick sentinel]

For prog you will typically see tanks going more defensive tho

So depends on your other trinkets

[left hatch]

^ all depends how overeared you are as well, if you're progging on say orgazoa rn you probably have all the def you need already

[sick sentinel]

Yeah blast in later fights is mainly for the parse goblins

[limpid pawn]

How do you sim cyclo correctly ?

There’s a special method, but I lost the link a while ago

[warm plinth]

🤔 As far as I know you just sim

[sharp night]

idk how relevant cyclo will be next tier as the only way to increase ilvl is by forging a yellow card and that's worth half ilvl so even if you manage to somehow get a 485 it'd be a 450

er 475 i guess since that's max weekly chest

but idk if you can even get yellow cards from m+ so it's probably capped at 455

so you'd be comparing a 435 or 445 max cyclo to a 475 mythic level trinket

[sick sentinel]

[left trout]

arent the yellow cards also dropping in the m+ of mechagon?

[south yarrow]

they do

[sage path]

A friend linked me his 445 Vers Crit yellow card after I carried him for a weekly 😭 I said it’s okay and logged off. It’s really not okay 😢.

[strong forum]

It's never okay

[unkempt seal]

ahh rin tachibana i see your a man of culture as well

[analog swift]

so you'd be comparing a 435 or 445 max cyclo to a 475 mythic level trinket

yeah and my 415 cyclo beats out every 445-455 trinket from raid/M+ for ST

[unkempt seal]

what dungeons are good to use r3 null barrier on?

[sick sentinel]

mh, ML i'd say

[slim walrus]

Hey guys! Happy holidays. I have a question about the stats on prot... i see the top warrs in M+ going for quite a bit for crit. I doubt that its for defensive purposes (parry/shields?) so i guess its mostly for dmg?

I want to play a more defensive build for keys up to +18. I guess mastery is redundant since i have 3xBastion. What should i gem/enchant then?

[ionic fern]

@unkempt seal ML 2 last bosses but in general other choices are better because the majority of damage in m+ is still going to be physical.

@slim walrus Crit/haste are the best stats m+ wise to go for.
Haste smoothens out your rotation while giving defensive/offensive benefits and the same is true for crit.

Always remember tho that you should go for the highest ilvl and then start looking at secondary stats.

[slim walrus]

Thanks! Even for rings? Is stam important?

I mean, that important

[ionic fern]

The "highest ilvl" is mainly for pieces that grant main stat(str in our case).

[slim walrus]

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

can you go null r3 after the council fight in kr for zul to help with the damage a bit? Would that even be an idea? I feel that mob just deletes the shit out of you, even on tyrannical

[ionic fern]

If you have the time and a warlock in a group.
In general you either skip it or kite it on higher keys.

[exotic spoke]

Mwahi, you mess around much on the ptr yet?

[ionic fern]

I haven't had much time. Been dealing with the holidays and traveling and some other stuff.

Just got home today.

[exotic spoke]

Fair enough, oh nice!

[uncut field]

what are the azerite essences i should be trying to get for m+? i see a lot of 3x deafening crash and 3x bastion. is this bis set up?

[ionic fern]

3xBastion/1xDC/2xMS

Don't stack DC.

[exotic spoke]

^^

[ionic fern]

It was a thing before but after the nerf it's better to just get one and fill the remaining slots with MS or IF for exampe.

So your main "core" for m+ would be 3xBastion/1xDC

[exotic spoke]

The new visions of demise seem pretty fun

Or whatever it’s called

[tame garden]

You seem pretty fun

[exotic spoke]

Tried them out last night

Awwww thanks @tame garden

Was able to do 3 out of the 5 zones before it ended. Day one, I think 4 may be doable but I don’t think you’ll see people doing all 5

[broken isle]

Did u solo them or with a grp?

[exotic spoke]

Three man group

[unkempt seal]

@ionic fern what is MS?

[exotic spoke]

Meticulous Scheming

[ionic fern]

^

[unkempt seal]

ahh k

[exotic spoke]

My group was spriest, rdruid and prot war

[broken isle]

Were there interruptable casts and were u able to be rezzed in the visions?

[exotic spoke]

You can be rezzed but not by a spell

Someone has to channel on you and gives up half their sanity

[uncut field]

is strength in numbers any good? or should i just stick to overwhelming power?

[exotic spoke]

OP is op

[broken isle]

The more I read about visions the more I think they're easier when in grps

[exotic spoke]

Shit hurts

[broken isle]

Does the vision end when one person's sanity drops?

[exotic spoke]

The boss you kill to complete the vision gains abilities as you clear the subsequent zones

No, it ends when all of you lose sanity

[broken isle]

Oh the ability thing sounds cool

Carry friends thru visions for gold aw yea

[uncut field]

@exotic spoke do you think its worth stackin op though?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. I think so.

There’s about 3 hours of quests before you can do the visions

And I hope that the new neck levels are the same AP values

As last night

But I doubt that will be true

[analog swift]

@exotic spoke i did some ptr and plan to do some more this week since pushing is dead now whatsup bb

[exotic spoke]

Visions are fun theseus

[left hatch]

i tried out both the stormwind nad org visions twice, I'm just terrified of exploring them early on live and risk not downing boss and losing out on cloak upgrades

[analog swift]

oh i've just done M+ on the ptr

[exotic spoke]

Going for three of the five zones day one

[warm plinth]

You're three of the five zones day one

[exotic spoke]

Probably just kill the champ. Then do one of the easier ones (so 2/5). Then do both of the easier zones (3/5) for the rest of them week one

Word of warning - the rare mobs in the visions are no fucking joke

[random urchin]

Sounds like I need to read up on the Visions if they’re that challenging so I don’t gimp myself day 1 by messing up

[warm plinth]

Do you get limited tries per day/week or something?

[sweet summit]

have you been soloing or doing em with a group?

[exotic spoke]

Three man’ed them. Did rdruid spriest prot war. Going to try to get my M+ push group in there to test them (would add a rogue and hdh in)

You do get limited tries. I think it’s 3-4 a week after the first week. The first week you get more because it’s part of the quest (I think)

[random urchin]

Oh ok

So you’re not limited to just 1 shot at it?

[exotic spoke]

The reason they are challenging is because of the time limitation and you don’t have all the “talents”

[random urchin]

Good to know

[exotic spoke]

Think the Chromie thing

Also, be good at dodging shit

[sweet summit]

uhoh

[exotic spoke]

Like mage tower level of shit depending on how big you’re pulling

Because if you get hit by one thing that stuns you it’ll probably chain

[warm plinth]

So like when you get the really trolly mob packs in islands then

[toxic gyro]

On ptr do I have to do quests to test visions or I can skip straight to them?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah but these actually can hurt and very quickly

You have about 2.5-4 hours of questing prior to being able to do them

[toxic gyro]

Gotcha

[exotic spoke]

Going from Uldum, to SW, to silithus, to Panda land and all back and forth.

You travel a lot

[toxic gyro]

So you can do them either solo or in group up to 3 players?

[exotic spoke]

1 to 5 afaik

We just had a group of three

One other word of warning. As you clear the other zones in the visions - the last boss gains new abilities.

That was a hell of a surprise

[toxic gyro]

Interesting

[exotic spoke]

The last boss gains the special abilities from the zones you cleared

[toxic gyro]

Wonder how scaling works there

Do you get more rewards towards cloak if u do more zones?

[exotic spoke]

You get more rewards, the cloak is only from killing the boss from what we saw

But you get more of the currency to buy new “talents” and I can’t remember what else

[toxic gyro]

Do primary objective is to kill boss

Pretty much mandatory

[exotic spoke]

Yes but once you kill the boss of the first zone you finish and leave

So you have to leave enough time to kill that boss after clearing other zones

[toxic gyro]

Prob 4-5maning it will be most efficient

[exotic spoke]

Some of the talents scale really well in groups “you, and all group members gain an extra 300 sanity in vision” for example

Others are designed for solo play “do more damage and take less but it’s reduced for every party member within 100 yards”

[toxic gyro]

Oh that’s nice

[exotic spoke]

And when you Rez someone, by clicking and channeling on them, you give up half your sanity

To give it to them

[toxic gyro]

I guess we’ll find out soon what’s better

[left hatch]

@random urchin its more than 1 shot a week, but the only lockout to the legendary upgrade is your attempts. So week 1 you can get the cloak to rank 4/5

so if you fuck up one of your attempts you'll be stuck behind

[exotic spoke]

Higher cloak level makes it easier too

[left hatch]

theres also a few crafting things that make it easier

the one that comes tomind is sanity potions from aclh

also @toxic gyro the later zones eventually will give you the upgrade material, rank 1-5 is tied to zone 1 boss, 6-10 is the 2nd and 3rd 'tier 2' zones and 11-15 is tied to the 2 'tier 3' zones

[random urchin]

Ohh ok

[left hatch]

so its not just more of hte currency, yo'ull eventually NEED to explore deeper

[exotic spoke]

the food too

And get the hidden items to make it harder

[left hatch]

yah, that presumably gives you a currency multiplier, and if you want the corruption resistance upgrade at rank 15 you need to clear each zone and the final boss w/ a mask

which the masks essentially act as M+ affixes that you toggle

[exotic spoke]

Overall it seems fun. We just scratched the surface of it

[left hatch]

It'll remain relevant content for a long time too, since its the only currency source to buy the 'put a socket on it' item

[exotic spoke]

I know 3/5 will be done and if I had to guess I’d say 4/5 day one will be finished - though not by many.

I don’t think 5/5 will be done though. Maybe towards the end of the week? Probably second week

[left hatch]

the sanity tickdown gets really gnarly in the later areas

probably will need higher cloak upgrade to go in long enough

[exotic spoke]

Yeah it does. But with added sanity, more dps, and skill I think a few groups will get 4/5 done

On their last attempt after farming 3/5

[left hatch]

i can see week 2, week 1 will be a stretch

itll need perfect timing on the reset healy orb thing

[exotic spoke]

Yup, I think it’s possible - but just barely - for a very few groups.

[left hatch]

the other consideration is the most talented groups are also the ppl thatll wanna rush upgrading the cloak

so a bunch won't even try to push

and risk falling behind

[exotic spoke]

Depends on how much time they have left after 3/5z. We had almost a full sanity bar and one orb left after 3/5 - before going to last boss - with 3 people

[left hatch]

fair

[exotic spoke]

We’d have even more sanity if we had two other people

[left hatch]

i wonder if the extra abilities in the last 2 zones will be even crazier

plus theres 2 maps that rotate to learn

[exotic spoke]

So they may step in to it on their second or third to last attempt to see it and get used to it / gauge time and then maybe commit to it on last run

We also had two scuffed runs.

Important thing - you can’t use the sanity heal from the orb while you’re in combat

That fucked us once

Learning about the Rez fucked us once too

[left hatch]

didn't know it was 1/2 of total

thats rough

there is a talent that gives you a free rez later

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, we don’t have that yet. It scales exponentially from@what we’ve seen

[left hatch]

didu get to try out Org as well?

or just SW

[exotic spoke]

Just SW last night. Maybe it rotates weekly? Same nap each time

[left hatch]

mm maybe

im really happy with how different Thrall and Vereea were, and its not just mechanical copies

hoping that extends to the extra abilities as well

[exotic spoke]

We saw explosions in dwarf district and inquisition in trade

Didn’t look at the others too much because the sanity drain was too high

[left hatch]

im just ready for patch day to start grinding this in not fake WoW ):

[exotic spoke]

We couldn’t remember, since we did it so late last night, did the corrupted mementos come from anything other than the visions

We thought maybe in the daily thing

As drops from mobs

[left hatch]

the only other thing i can think of is MAYBE the cache from the invasions (so 3 a week)

the mobs in thereonly drop essences

[exotic spoke]

You get the patterns from in there. Maybe the chests or mini events in panda land / uldum?

[left hatch]

mini events are only AP and small essence rewards

the chests might

[exotic spoke]

We ended up with three different values of mementos and couldn’t figure out why. Maybe just chest rng from completion

And we did everything start to finish together

[left hatch]

ppl might not get score for mobs that die when they're downed?

[exotic spoke]

Maybe?

[left hatch]

or yah might be a bonus at end

i just did the daily baby vision and the mobs are def just dropping vendor trash and essences

[exotic spoke]

Yup

Plus recipes that you don’t have

[left hatch]

looking for small chests now to check that

[exotic spoke]

There are some in the mini visions

[left hatch]

only other thing would be the invasion reward cache or rng bonus for the big vision

are there? i musta had terrible rng then cause all i saw was essence

[exotic spoke]

I saw a chest in the mini visions. It wasn’t highlighted on the map. Was definitely one that you had to see

[left hatch]

ooooh ok gotcha

after 3 chests i think its a no-go

getting between 17-34 of the entry currency

but none of the wrathion coins

[exotic spoke]

Trying to think about the food to use.

Move speed and 2% hp per second + maybe the Aggro reduction for a healer to sneak off and interact with things

[chilly brook]

Thank the Lord

Bastion on all pieces from next raid

[tame garden]

[analog swift]

too bad nobody is bringing warriors to raid 😦

[ionic fern]

Huh?

[analog swift]

next raid is only blood dk's

haven't you heard?

[ionic fern]

.

I won't get baited by this sentence again.

[tame garden]

Did someone say magic damage?

Rip

[analog swift]

please ignore eruption ripples, sivarra debuffs, jolts from azshara and zaqul

THIS RAID

is SO much magic damage

[tame garden]

Ye that's why no warrior has gotten past sivarra

Cant shield block the magic damage

[analog swift]

literally

zero

[exotic spoke]

Obv

Though I still think M+ pieces will be better defensively

[analog swift]

but what about blood sport?

[distant crystal]

[analog swift]

obviously i'm a bit rusty

[distant crystal]

bloodsport's pretty bad

[analog swift]

x3 blood sport?

no

[distant crystal]

x0

[strong forum]

3x BS you cant even deplete the shield fast enough

[distant crystal]

3x BS and turn your back to the mobs

[strong forum]

smurt

pad those HPs

[exotic spoke]

I hate all of you

[analog swift]

Don't worry

i'm coming back next tier

[strong forum]

dont remember when it was, but this is 2x Bulwark vs 1x Resounding Protection

@ whomstever i had the discussion with

i think it was @distant crystal

[distant crystal]

ye

maybe my scuffed ass internet will load that image

soon

[tame garden]

Lmao

[strong forum]

okay so

im testing vs dummies

and it seems to be proccing every 20sec, has 15sec uptime

[distant crystal]

i was much lower than that in the couple of keys i looked at

[strong forum]

so its not bugged perse

atleast vs dummies

now idk what happens if it gets chewed through, if it goes on CD longer than it should or some shit

[distant crystal]

curious how the priority goes

when you have resounding + edict + IP + bulwark shields

[strong forum]

ye

[distant crystal]

is it just the most recently applied gets eaten first i guess?

[strong forum]

na theres a hidden prio

every normal shield is before IP afaik

[distant crystal]

seems like the ideal would be shortest remaining duration goes first

to avoid waste

[tame garden]

Ion cares not for your ideals

[distant crystal]

he probably does the opposite out of spite

like banks with NSF fees

sort all transactions highest to lowest to maximize fees

[flint cliff]

How does intimidating presence work? Does it prevent every target i feared from dealing 29.828 to me or 29.828 "in total" from all feared targets?

[strong forum]

per target

30k per target

and its listed in "healing done" in details too

so you can check it at the end of a dungeon

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern have you looked at the mechagon shield for warrior yet and how much that effect is actually worth?

[flint cliff]

Well then its a strong (or the strongest) trait for big pulls in m+ in this ring. THX

[strong forum]

mh.. i guess

[random urchin]

Eh

It’s tied to a cd tho

[strong forum]

if you actively use it ( which you should )

[random urchin]

Where resounding or impassive are reliable

[surreal oak]

what is better?

pls helP!

[strong forum]

445

[tame garden]

^

[surreal oak]

ty

[grim skiff]

I'm looking for help prepping for 8.3 - specifically which essences I should be looking to obtain for Mythic+... the new taunt major looks like a lock, but wondering which others worth farming up for minor slots... nullification? conflict? aegis? lucid?

[strong forum]

all the ones you mentioned yes

lucid + cns being on average the best for m+

also the taunt essence isnt really all that useful

[grim skiff]

I guess visions as well

[strong forum]

vop major is your go-to

VoP is absolute must have

[grim skiff]

so what you figure will be the go to Major?

[strong forum]

still visions

it will never not be the go to major

[grim skiff]

So:
Major: VoP
Minor: Lucid + CNS?

[strong forum]

so.
Major:
VoP r2+
Minors:
CnS r3 / Aegis r1+ / Lucid r1+ / Sphere r1+ / Null r3

[random urchin]

Visions is getting a 12% proc rate buff so it’s still going to be the go to

[strong forum]

thats the essences + ranks you absolutely want and at which levels theyre useful

[random urchin]

^

What he said

[strong forum]

although VoP r1 is also useful but not as potent

[grim skiff]

that's a lot of farming rip

[random urchin]

Right now the progression sprockets are dropping in the M+ keys on ptr. If that makes it to launch it will make getting rank 3 much faster for people

[strong forum]

eh its fairly simple

aegis and lucid you can get really quickly

same with vop

thats a solid start

[grim skiff]

I have aegis and lucid r1. cns rank1

prob should focus on vop rank3 and slowly work on nullr3

[random urchin]

CnS takes a while just from being timegated between weekly resets

[grim skiff]

assuming you use null for some dungeons

[strong forum]

ye null r3 is mainly for raiding

not really needed for m+

[ionic fern]

@wooden radish it was the absorb + damage one jeah?

[grim skiff]

oh good, i wont be raiding... only play late night NA and dont have time to raid

[strong forum]

ye then dont bother with null

the only dungeon where it could seem fit is ML and WM

[random urchin]

Doesn’t hurt to get your Rustbolt rep up though. PP is pretty strong for cleave if you ever plan to OS dps

[strong forum]

not as much for warrior

[random urchin]

True

But is a very easy one to get is all

[strong forum]

but decent nontheless

[grim skiff]

I plan on playing my outlaw rogue and prot war

Not interest in dps war

[strong forum]

outlul...

[grim skiff]

That fauxpa in this discord 🤐

[strong forum]

na i just hate fotm, and rogues in general

[random urchin]

Rogues man... we don’t talk about rogues here

[grim skiff]

I decided to make one cuz one spec always seems to be high value fotm and I needed to be dark iron dwarf so couldn’t be DH 😦

[winged grail]

A rogue Dark Iron Dwarf... what a disgrace to our noble race

[strong forum]

ye... thats why i hate rogues

they are too strong

have too much

insane dmg, insane survivability, insane CC, insane utility

thats 2 things too many

[empty nacelle]

literally insane

[grim skiff]

Lol they’ve always had those things

Never not been good damage class :/

Only in classic ages did they have minimal aoe

[strong forum]

before legion, aoe didnt matter for shit

cuz m+ wasnt a thing

[grim skiff]

It was that or monk and I rolled the dice on rogue

Don’t hate me

[empty nacelle]

when did they change combo points being on the rogue rather than the target?

[grim skiff]

😭

[strong forum]

well better rogue than monk

so ill let you off this time

[grim skiff]

I wanted enhance shaman tbh but so many told me no

[strong forum]

depends on what kind of level you want to / are playing at

below 20s? doesnt matter for shit

[grim skiff]

I don’t want to cap myself is the problem

[strong forum]

pushing top world keys? then its problematic

outside of that any spec works

[grim skiff]

It does if you in lfg, people will ignore you

And you’ll sit in queue forever if not rogue DH

[strong forum]

welll yea.. having friends that arent 2 digit IQ helps

[tame garden]

Hate fotm but play prot

[strong forum]

i played prot since legion, through beta and 8.0

so you got nothing on me kid 😏

[analog zinc]

the problem with enhance shaman is that its super frail

for 18s that's irrelevent

[grim skiff]

I may still level mine and play it in lower keys casually

[strong forum]

keep in mind

enha is a 1 button spec

[grim skiff]

Always loved the class but don’t hate on rogue they’re very fun now days

I can spam one button??? Nice

[strong forum]

enha is

storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike storm strike

thats your rotation mostly

not even kidding

in aoe you press unleash lightning a bunch, but also shitton of SS

[grim skiff]

That’s fine I’m okay with simple class casually

[analog zinc]

that's not your rotation mostly

that's your ideal rotation

unless you're getting giga procs you wont be spamming stormstrike that much, & if you are its gonna feel amazing to press it that much

[strong forum]

looks like 1 button to me 🙂

[grim skiff]

Lol juicy tbh

[random urchin]

I mean, if you want to play enhance, go for it. Just know that you’re experience lugging keys will be terrible

Pugging*

[grim skiff]

Yeah that’s why I made outlaw first

And prot warrior
Find friends that play my late night schedule then mess around on alts on lower keys

[analog swift]

that's why I hate when people say "it doesn't matter unless you're doing 20s" well me sitting in que for an hour does matter

[grim skiff]

Already lower ilvl cuz just boosted 408 ish and still am ghosted for +3/4s lol

[strong forum]

idk why literally everyone is pugging

[tame garden]

Some people dont have friends nome

Dont be mean

[strong forum]

just get friends 4head

[analog swift]

it's not just friends

friends that want to do keys

that can do keys at your time

that are good at keys

that aren't THAT good that they don't want to pug with a better class

I know you were meming but still

[grim skiff]

I logon at 11 est ... so need to find PST folk heh

My friends on classic farming consumes and AV 😴

[strong forum]

thats not friends

thats ditches

[woven venture]

Any recommendations for a WA or something to track ignore pain shield? Feels like something I should have.

[grim skiff]

I like luxthos weak auras

[chilly brook]

I like khakans

But that's my personal preference

In general though, the only thing you really need to track is your rage and your shield block

[woven venture]

I'm using luxthos WAs which I like, I just thought maybe I should have something to track how much damage IP has left.

[undone sun]

there's one in #ui-addons-manager

[grim skiff]

Luxthos will track if buff is up but not the amount left that I know of

Tbh that’s probably unnecessary to focus on

[rigid sinew]

450 vial or 435 leech edicts

[fierce urchin]

function()
    local value = select(16, WA_GetUnitBuff('player', 'Ignore Pain'))
    
    if value then
        if value < 1e6 then
            return string.format("%.1fK", value/1e3);
        else
            return string.format("%.1fM", value/1e6);
        end
    end
end

@woven venture add to any icon aura as custom text function that you make for IP

[woven venture]

Thanks!

[fierce urchin]

👍🏽

[peak lily]

I have seen tanks getting "focused" by the void, while the group runs passed on the other side. then they ress the tank. Is this something one should attempt in pugs or is this easy to fck up?

[novel ruin]

@peak lily In my experience death runs in the 10-15 key range tend to work out poorly in time saved versus just spending the time killing the mob.

[strong forum]

an entire Wowhead post about how BDK doesnt scale exponentially to turn off the BDK memes

GIGA KEK

literally in-depth explaining how and why

[left hatch]

I liked the expansion by expansion breakdown of "you're wrong. this is what made them strong at the end"

making the boomers take of them nostalgia goggles

[grim skiff]

Will any tank be better than monk for raids ?

[strong forum]

unlikely

VDH might be a contender if tank DPS will be irrelevant and theres shitton of tank dmg

both very unlikely scenarios

[fierce urchin]

There needs to be a pin on like every tank discord that just says "If you're not top 100 it doesnt matter for the billionth time what you play in raid"

[broken isle]

Sometimes there's things like mass grip or mass roar that becomes very useful for certain fights

But in terms of tankiness, prolly not

[left hatch]

or a bot that autoresponds to "reroll to X for raid or yo'ull be irrelevent" and each discord just routes you to the next one in a circle (:

trap fotm players in purgatory

[fierce urchin]

utility will always be an active niche on various fights that are hardly a reason to reroll for.

[broken isle]

Yea utility is more important for that dps who rly doesn't want to tank

"But it's for progress Ziggy dont u wanna be the 3rd tank who does nothing?"

[fierce urchin]

Im a BRM main. But I do high M+ push on off nights so im making the decision to swap to War simply because maintaining two toons for two seperate forms of content this xpac sucks.. And it ultimately doesnt matter what i push mythic raiding as because we're not top 100.

it's unfortunate that so many players who aren't really at the bleeding edge of content constantly feel compelled to reroll FOTM in an attempt to stay relevant only to fall behind because they fall into a learning curve.

[broken isle]

It's a bit different I feel for tanks

Can't imagine it's very fun to be in a guild with 2 VDH in progress

"Oh our tank died again. Wish we had a BRM who can just ignore that"

[grim skiff]

I mean playing fotm is usually for a reason and if you do it (well) then you will have an easier time with content than “making it work”
Sometimes tho it just won’t matter

[broken isle]

Hear that stuff all the time