protection

[warm plinth]

Every time I'm rolling for azerite I wish I was alliance

[distant crystal]

ashvane chest on warr, bm/firemind/op chest on mage, twisted claws shoulders on bear

[warm plinth]

So I didn't have to fly back and forth to the scrapper

[distant crystal]

[tame garden]

[distant crystal]

and priest...another gambled shoulders that weren't ceremonial ascension

[warm plinth]

I got skyscorcher pauldrons

[tame garden]

🥳

[distant crystal]

what're those

[warm plinth]

Unfortunately I have my only DC on shoulders so it's not great

Bastion/BfI/UF

[distant crystal]

ahh

[warm plinth]

Good traits but no DC

[distant crystal]

also picked up a folly on dh >:D

[warm plinth]

Nice

What ilevel

[strong forum]

Inb4 415 :hahaaa:

[distant crystal]

445

[warm plinth]

tfw you fly to the residuum vendor and realize you forgot to scrap the 430 you had to scrap to have enough 🙃

[distant crystal]

430 tusk offhand

[strong forum]

Scrapping as horde is the most retarded shit

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it is

[distant crystal]

just be the good guys

[strong forum]

Dazar alor is so fucking baaaaaaad

Horrendous

Who came up with this autistic city layout

Lemme put everything a 20sec-1min fly away

[warm plinth]

I have 440 folly/tusk

[distant crystal]

gotta have room for all that sweet architecture

[warm plinth]

Which is the best I'll ever have unless I get a forged tusk from weekly

at least, this season

[strong forum]

I has 445 first boss and 440 tusk

[distant crystal]

pug mythic imo

[strong forum]

pug

[distant crystal]

i neckbearded hard yesterday

[strong forum]

mythic

No thx

[distant crystal]

4/8M x4

i mean, it's not exactly a pug tho

[strong forum]

Ashvane with pugs, no thanks

[distant crystal]

it's the same guy running alts with a bunch of his guildies

group blasts

[strong forum]

Why

What's the point

[distant crystal]

to get that sweet loot

[strong forum]

When 8.3 is 3 weeks away

And you get 465 from m+

[distant crystal]

gotta be well equipped to do that M+ 🙂

[strong forum]

My wl was 435 in 1 week

[distant crystal]

gluck spamming necrotic tyrannical 15s that feel like 19s

[strong forum]

No point raiding after that

[distant crystal]

with crapgear

[strong forum]

Only have to do 1x 15, then spam 10s to get 460+

To then spam 15s easy as shit

[distant crystal]

so apparently 1x 15 on heroic week doesn't do anything

i guess the first cache of the season is capped

[strong forum]

No

1x 15 on heroic is what you do

To get 475 weekly

Afaik

[distant crystal]

idk someone was saying it's 465 weekly cache on mythic tuesday

[strong forum]

Since it is a new season chest

[distant crystal]

and then 475 after that

[strong forum]

Na, hasn't been like that

[distant crystal]

may have been blowing smoke up my ass tho

[strong forum]

All expac

[distant crystal]

i'm still gonna try to do 1x 16 on heroic week

if only to get a 15 key in my cache

and best possible loot/resid

[strong forum]

^

You'd be stupid if you don't try

[distant crystal]

also make sure you end next week with 1 coin saved

[strong forum]

I haven't spent coins in 2 months

So im way ahead of you

[distant crystal]

i been coining M+ on my azshara prog toon :p

but we're not progging this week so i'm gonna blow a bunch in mythic

[toxic wadi]

Did the nerf to unstoppable force make us weak?

[tame garden]

Lol

[left hatch]

Yup, its over. we have less output than Gluttony DH's

time to reroll

[tame garden]

Prot is cancelled

[oblique garnet]

What nerf

[left hatch]

procs are now set, no longer scale with haste, assuming hes talking about Overwhelming Power tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oblique garnet]

unstoppable force nerf
procs

[toxic wadi]

Is there any single handed weapon I should look for?

[oblique garnet]

Dreams end

From zaqul

[distant crystal]

look for the highest ilvl weap you can get

[left hatch]

Servant Splitter is also ok for ST

[distant crystal]

dream's end to break ties tho

[toxic wadi]

Kk

[chilly brook]

Merry Christmas brothers

[mystic arrow]

how do i know which essences are the best? i don't see anything in the FAQ about this

[strong forum]

Vop for general use

Cof for ST dmg

Done

[left hatch]

for M+
Major: Vision, CnS
Minors: CnS, sphere, lucid, aegis

[strong forum]

Minors
Lucid/sphere/aegis/cns

[left hatch]

^ and add in Null for raid

[toxic wadi]

Which healer works best with us?

[strong forum]

Druid

[toxic wadi]

Sweet

[strong forum]

Just like every tank

[toxic wadi]

And which dps, if any?

[left hatch]

2 rogue 1 mw probably

[strong forum]

Havoc+ rogue+ ele/monk/rogue/mage/boomy

[toxic wadi]

Ah ok

[strong forum]

But that's only on 20+ keys

Below that any composition works

Any healer and dps combination

I did ml 19 last week with boomy ele fire mage and resto shaman, fucked up alot and still timed it

Meta is only for pushing actual high keys

[toxic wadi]

Oh ok

Does anyone feel like prot warrior rotation is very hectic?

[strong forum]

It's a comparatively fast paced spec yes

One of the highest apm in the game

[toxic wadi]

wow

[sweet summit]

fast=fun :)

its smooth tho, i really enjoy it

[wooden radish]

Hey pals , just wanted to wish you all happy holidays. Discord is filled with ready-made messages that you don't even read, you just copy and paste to every server, I don't like that, I like writing from my heart. Our friendship, from the deepest to virtual, is very important to me and couldn't ever be represented by a cookie-cutter message from anywhere. So, I'd like to thank you all, you're the best ice hockey team I've ever played with. Hugs, George Smith

[distant crystal]

[exotic spoke]

Rofl @wooden radish

[fringe folio]

Haha 👌

[strong forum]

:think:

[mortal brook]

Hey pals , just wanted to wish you all happy holidays. Discord is filled with ready-made messages that you don't even read, you just copy and paste to every server, I don't like that, I like writing from my heart. Our friendship, from the deepest to virtual, is very important to me and couldn't ever be represented by a cookie-cutter message from anywhere. So, I'd like to thank you all, you're the best ice hockey team I've ever played with. Hugs, George Smith

[graceful sundial]

Thanks George

[chilly brook]

@toxic wadi hectic no

Fast yes

[rustic tinsel]

I’ve noticed CnS major is becoming more popular in m+, what’s the upside to using it over VoP?

I’ve only really bothered using the major for the first giga pull in TD

[warm plinth]

It doubles the vers gained from the minor when you CC/interrupt, and the root from the major activates that consistently. It's not something you should be using though.

[rustic tinsel]

That was what I was thinking, the root is very situational and really I only see it’s purpose in the big kiting pull in TD to keep it grouped up

[warm plinth]

Well they're not really using it for the root; the root is just activating the secondary effect easily

[distant crystal]

it's kinda neat on tides week

you can tank a tide without it meleeing you at all

and it's easy to keep a tides separated from the group on stairs/uneven elevation

pretty sweet for necrotic too

[rustic tinsel]

Tides meleeing in pure magic damage feelsbad

One of the biggest things I’m looking forward to in 8.3 is never having to deal with that again

[distant crystal]

the whole reason i'm leveling a monk right now won't exist by the time he's 120 :p

ring of peace to split tides out of packs is so sexy

[rustic tinsel]

I got a Brew to 120 but just couldn’t be bothered to do the essences again and gear it for it to feel as tanky as prot does

I don’t know where that threshold is for Brew, but I never hit it

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure most dangerous tides (except like two) can be separated without ring anyway

Like the only two I can think of that are super dangerous that require ring are the one before 3rd boss of UR and the one in AD at the bottom of Volk stairs

[unkempt condor]

this may be a stupid question but if you're running VoP, Lucid and nullification, do you drop devastate from the rotation and replace it with revenge?

[left hatch]

nope, still has the same purpose

devestate unless revenge is free or you don't need the rage

[unkempt condor]

strange, the sims don't seem to take it into the rotation anymore

[warm plinth]

Are you sure you're not using the Devastator talent?

[unkempt condor]

i am

[left hatch]

lul

[warm plinth]

Then that's why, because you no longer have Devastate

[left hatch]

devastator is a talent

that makes it passive

[warm plinth]

Just to clarify, do not use Devastator in dungeons, no matter what the sims say

[left hatch]

just makes your Auto attacks bigger

[unkempt condor]

i'm mostly tanking raids, not so much M+

[warm plinth]

Ok, just making sure :p

[unkempt condor]

hence running devastator

i go booming for M+

[warm plinth]

But yeah that's why Devastate isn't showing up; Devastator removes Devastate as an ability and just makes the effect passive

[left hatch]

also devastator makes you lose a bit of defenses

cause its inferior rage gen

and with the talent you'll likely have empty globals waiting for SS/TC

filling EVERY time with revenge will at best delay SB a ton

which is no bueno on prog

and will also hurt your dps if you have enough of the SS azerite trait

[unkempt condor]

2x trait for SS

[left hatch]

yah keeping up SB will def give you more dps than spamming revenge

[unkempt condor]

alright, going back to booming for everything then

[left hatch]

you don't HAVE to, but for me the empty globals felt off, so i just got in the habit of mashing devastate despite it not doing anything

so im not tempted to fill the space with revenge lul

[unkempt condor]

saves on tomes so might as well do it 😄

[left hatch]

good to practice booming anyway, cause its better in aoe/cleave and most of nyalotha is cleave

so itll probably be the raid dps talent

[unkempt condor]

dps wise it seems i'll be lower tho, taking booming over devastator, but i guess i shouldn't worry too much on sims

[left hatch]

booming is def lower in ST

[unkempt condor]

bout 1.7k according to talent compare

but once there's cleave, i guess that changes

[left hatch]

yah, devastator doesn't scale at all multitarget

[analog zinc]

deva is really that good on single target?

even with bastions?

i need to sim this shit

[sweet summit]

yea, it adds a lot of damage

[analog zinc]

its much worse defensively i'm guessing?

[sweet summit]

a bit, yea. since you dont get that 40 rage when you use demo

[analog zinc]

wait i'm confusing anger managment & booming voice

[sweet summit]

OHHH

[analog zinc]

BV is just the 15% damage & 40 rage

[sweet summit]

yes

correct

[analog zinc]

that doesnt sounds that bad then

its just deva is pretty bad feeling on ST

at least in aoe your revenge procs a ton so you can fill with those

[chilly brook]

Deva feels great in single target

So many procs

[distant crystal]

i still press my devestate keybind

:p

[chilly brook]

I do sometimes ngl

[warm plinth]

At least you feel like you're doing something in those empty globals lul

[unkempt condor]

imo, if you run devastator, you use it alot more then when you're using booming voice to compensate for that 40 rage you're not getting from demo, hence also filling those empty globals

[oblique garnet]

Use what?

[unkempt condor]

devastator

[oblique garnet]

Its a passive

🤔

Am i missing something

[grizzled glen]

what essences/talents do you guys switch to on the other half of ML?

[unkempt condor]

no, it's a talent that grants you the skill devastator, to replace devastate

[oblique garnet]

Yes devastator turns devastate to a passive ability?

How do you use it to fill empty globals?

[unkempt condor]

oh crap, i read that completely wrong

yeah, in that case it does sound like that talent is a no go

[warm plinth]

@grizzled glen I don’t switch essences or talents.

[oblique garnet]

^

Maybe for giga high key id go switch to azeroths undying gift

[analog zinc]

on high keys if you need it to survive you can swap Bolster out for Never Surrender

[oblique garnet]

And thats a maybe

[analog zinc]

you can also go like AUG major

[grizzled glen]

I find that I need to switch to something on tyran weeks

only on 18's or above that is

[warm plinth]

If you’re not surviving with bolster, NS is not going to be the thing that keeps you alive.

Your group is probably not handling it properly.

[analog zinc]

i mean

if you want to respec you can have other classes respec too for more ST

since you're likely death skipping 3rd & 4th boss trash, minus maybe a bit at the start of 4th boss trash

[warm plinth]

You should be reflecting every other one. The DPS that takes the other one when you reflect should be getting insta-dispelled. The ones you can't reflect, healer should dispel you and a DPS with a defensive/immunity should take the other.

[analog zinc]

her autos are the dangerous bit ghash

[grizzled glen]

it's her autos

not the shit I can reflect

[warm plinth]

I'm aware that her autos are dangerous.

[grizzled glen]

same with last boss

[analog zinc]

last boss isn't that bad imo he hits like half as hard is ruzia but has a lot more uptime on you

[warm plinth]

Rotate CDs/externals, healer pumps. It hurts every tank. It's not a warrior specific problem. Frankly going to get into stupid territory if they don't nerf that for next season.

[analog zinc]

no its not a war problem but its worse for warriors than say monks or DHs

arguably druids

[oblique garnet]

It hits every tank harsh reason you sont see dhs struggle with it because they dont manage to get past the hard hitting parts before on a key lvl that actually matters

[analog zinc]

what hard hitting parts

its motherlode

the only hard hitting part is ruxia

[oblique garnet]

Yes to us

[analog zinc]

??? no to every tank

[oblique garnet]

But for dhs they cant live the trash aswell as we can

[analog zinc]

have you heard of this talent called Gluttony

so without booming voice does that mean demo is strictly a defensive?

its gonna feel so weird not really using it on cd

[warm plinth]

Yeah, also means you don't need DC

[analog zinc]

oh interesting

[warm plinth]

Unless you want the longer defensive obviously

But typically you're not running BV because damage

[analog zinc]

i can drop DC for callous reprisal 😮

[warm plinth]

lul

[oblique garnet]

For raid?

[analog zinc]

gonna take a shot in the dark & say DC is still better than CR with deva

[oblique garnet]

Defensive wise sure, damage wise not rly

[warm plinth]

Probably lol

Always sims for damage though, so don't have to guess :p

[oblique garnet]

Problem is that you dont keep cr stacked as much in raids as you do in keys

[strong forum]

Wooooooooooooooo

Okay that's my participation

👋

[oblique garnet]

Also doesnt vdh sacrifice alot of damage to play with gluttony

[jovial scaffold]

yes, they lose spirit bomb, but i think he was just making a point about surviving anyways

[warm plinth]

A lot

[jovial scaffold]

prot is obviously way better in general

or well, better. not way better i guess.

[warm plinth]

It's also pretty funny when you don't get that proc when you need it and just fall over

[jovial scaffold]

yup.

our tank just lets out little whimpers as he regrets his life decisions of using it sometimes

[warm plinth]

Yeah my tank is a VDH too haha

[oblique garnet]

Im surprised that highest paladin only had done 23ml along with highest vdh where as even druid had 24

And monk was leading with 25

[warm plinth]

Yeah especially since paladin does pretty good on literally everything in that dungeon

Lot of tools for shit

[jovial scaffold]

idk about prot pally dps, but i know for vdh the dmg loss is kinda big than just havin a prot or something tbqh

matters a good deal

[warm plinth]

Yeah doing keys on skittish weeks makes me want to fuckin cry

[oblique garnet]

Prot pala does fine in m+ dps wise

[warm plinth]

When he runs the vop/glutt build that is

[jovial scaffold]

but weve been making it pretty far this season for being pretty fresh. tryna get 3k at least next season tho

[warm plinth]

How'd you do this season?

[jovial scaffold]

real nice having a consistent grp now

im like 12 off 2.7k io rn

[warm plinth]

Damn, way better than me lul

[jovial scaffold]

"Kusumi-Stormrage"

[warm plinth]

I just hit 2100

[jovial scaffold]

i might tank next season, up to him

[oblique garnet]

Maybe next season ill push again instead of doing bare minimum to get to boost runs 8)

[jade wyvern]

I thought you were talkin about pvp and im like woah are you memphisrains

3k prot war season1

op

[warm plinth]

We've had bad luck with the group being around for push weeks lately though. Like we missed pretty much the entire last bursting week (not the skittish one, the one before that)

[jovial scaffold]

lol, its my first season actually pushing, always knew could push but never had a consistent group so it kinda succd

[warm plinth]

Had like 2 hours on one night to do keys and that was it 😦

[jovial scaffold]

first tier mythic prog n shit too

dang thats rip

volcanic bursting

[sick sentinel]

Ghash are you still making people believe you are good

[jovial scaffold]

rip missing that week* that is

[sick sentinel]

I’m gone for one day and ghash has gone wild

[warm plinth]

When did 2100 become good?

[sick sentinel]

When it was higher than me :^)

[warm plinth]

Am I higher than you right now? 😮

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah

I am being ambitious if I do a single +12 weekly

[warm plinth]

Well tbf I'm 2100 on a havoc DH so not sure how much of an accomplishment that is 😂

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth you are almost higher than me

[sick sentinel]

Better than being 1800 on prot warrior lul

Wanna know something nuts

I have more boss kills as fury on my new server than prot

Feelsbad

[warm plinth]

I ruined my raid streak by buying boosts 😦

I now have 2 kills of every boss in EP

on heroic

[sick sentinel]

Buy mythic boost

What are they running for these days

[oblique garnet]

8m or so for full clear iirc

[sick sentinel]

What about just azshara

[warm plinth]

Just CE is 4.5

In Gallywix anyway

[sick sentinel]

Gallywix ew

[warm plinth]

Don't hate on my free source of gold

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth btw i have new vod for you : )

[warm plinth]

😮

Wat

Where

I'm fuckin psyched for next season because my vod peeps will start doing keys again

Gonna have Late vods and Sense vods and some Riki vods even though it'll be his druid

[oblique garnet]

It was 2 random russian pugs on 17 and 19 wcm iirc last week

[warm plinth]

Noice

We timed our first 19 finally, a couple weeks ago

Or last week, idr

Might have been last week

[oblique garnet]

👏

[warm plinth]

We only went over timer on our very first 20 by 5 mins. I think that's pretty good

[oblique garnet]

Its pretty good

[warm plinth]

Too bad my key this week sucks ass

[jovial scaffold]

at that point stuff starts mattering so much its kinda funny to start realizing like tiny things matter so much

[warm plinth]

Only slightly lessened in its awfulness because Zul skip is a thing

19 KR 🙃

[jovial scaffold]

23 ad we tried i swear we couldve got it, but when our tank was trying to snap saurids he fell on accident

[warm plinth]

lulll

[jovial scaffold]

then we had a bad pull on first honor guard on right lmao

[empty nacelle]

ive also got a recently depleted KR 😦

[jovial scaffold]

went like 2 mins over

[warm plinth]

I need a better KR though for real

My highest timed is a 16 lul. Highest score is a scuffed 18

[tidal sleet]

Honor guards on fort week over 20 >>

[warm plinth]

Yikes you guys pull honor guards?

[jovial scaffold]

nah nah last week

HELL no this week

[tidal sleet]

Aw ok. Lol

[jovial scaffold]

but only the first one

skip the rest

highest rn is 22 UD from last week

really happy with that one still

[warm plinth]

We don't even go right ever haha

[jovial scaffold]

10 seconds under haha

[warm plinth]

We go left most of the time

[sage path]

Better than me, failed 23 AD on that fort push week because ppl got baked by fire XD...

[warm plinth]

RIP

[sage path]

The flames after priestess are real challenging LOL.

[tidal sleet]

It happens

[strong forum]

Wooooooooo

[warm plinth]

AD is my other low key

I think the rest I have an 18 timed

[strong forum]

👋 @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Hi Nome, how is your Christmas?

[strong forum]

You're a good guy don't let others ell tell you otherwise

[sullen valve]

Merry Christmas ya nerds. My gift is wowA

[warm plinth]

Thanks man, I appreciate that

[oblique garnet]

I think my highest temple is still a 16 8)

[warm plinth]

How tf 😂

Do you just not get temple keys?

[strong forum]

I don't know you but you seem like a nice guy

Also @oblique garnet

Same goes for oy

Fuc almost tipped over my beer

[warm plinth]

🙃

Only 16 timed for both KR and AD. FeelsBad

[sage path]

Yeah AD is feels bad.

[tame garden]

void AD 🤢

[strong forum]

Ad is 👌

What do you ewn for

[oblique garnet]

I mean @warm plinth i havent pushed at all this season

[warm plinth]

We just don't ever get AD keys so when we do we're just not practiced at it at all

[oblique garnet]

I just did the bare minimum mostly

[sage path]

KR not really. I didn’t have a KR timed and actually got my first KR from key sales LOL. When I got to 2k with one missing score.

[warm plinth]

We didn't get super into pushing until like mid-S3 I think? We were doing a lot of alt keys before then. But I've never been this high io before so it's cool for me

[sage path]

It’s nice to take it slow. A lot of keyers end up burnt out.

[warm plinth]

I think my highest toon in Legion was like 1600. Playing with a group is so fuckin nice compared to that shit

[sage path]

Mostly due to emmisaires being annoying AF and not fun.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, looking forward to the next season just because no stupid mobs affecting pulls

[sage path]

Like when 1 tide can fist you so hard you’d die without shield wall when that fucker hits 2-3 times harder than bosses do cuz magic damage.

[oblique garnet]

Not looking forward to spamming mechagon m+

[distant crystal]

i am

[oblique garnet]

Last i tested it shit was so overtuned

[distant crystal]

gonna run so many on mage

for wrist

and every toon for rings

[warm plinth]

Yeah it'll be overtuned af at first I'm sure

[distant crystal]

did you test it with the nerfs

or before?

[jovial scaffold]

mecha rings voiding jc good in my book

[sage path]

I still don’t have Rank 4 Vision

[distant crystal]

i only have it on my bear lol

[warm plinth]

I got rank 4 vision by accident

[jovial scaffold]

fishing for socketed ones tho, at least no titanforging

[warm plinth]

🙃

[jovial scaffold]

titanforging gone, BLESS

[warm plinth]

Don't think we've had a deathless run since, just because we fuck around too much

[distant crystal]

someone usually dies to trash early on

in our normal hm runs

[sage path]

Nah man, usually some guy on his alt or idiot alt tabbing out during boss fights.

[warm plinth]

Yeah we always have someone die to a shockwave they weren't paying attention to or some shit lol

[oblique garnet]

Before the nerfs

[distant crystal]

i do kinda wish you could do hardmode M+ tho

[oblique garnet]

I mean the bots are there

[sage path]

...

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the bots are there for the junkyard part lul

[distant crystal]

giff recalc card in end-of-run cache

[oblique garnet]

And they werent on a set rotation 😃

[jovial scaffold]

make the hm azerite head plz

[sage path]

King Mechagon is going to be fun.

[jovial scaffold]

available on vendor*

[warm plinth]

Wait, by bots you mean the buff bots right

[oblique garnet]

Both

[sage path]

On M+ Hardcore Mode

[jovial scaffold]

walkie shockies

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah

Good shit guys

[sage path]

No the

[warm plinth]

Is HK8 with the beams or without?

[sage path]

Damaging ones

[oblique garnet]

Zap also scales with dungeon level

[jovial scaffold]

holy

it already does like top dmg in pulls sometimes

[oblique garnet]

So higher you go the more damage they do

[sage path]

Oh shit...

[jovial scaffold]

thats nuts

[distant crystal]

i mean if you don't kill the first 3 with the bots

[sage path]

Omg

[distant crystal]

he def won't have beams

but idk if it even will if you do

[sage path]

Those pools will be insta kill

[warm plinth]

Oh so you can still choose whether the others have HM or not? Or do all 3 bosses just have HK8 over them at the same time?

[oblique garnet]

Basically if you die and lose zap bots might aswell reset and go again on higher keys

[analog zinc]

did someone say deathless mechagon?

[oblique garnet]

Its random @warm plinth where they start and where they go

[analog zinc]

:3

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[distant crystal]

lol

[ionic fern]

Gonna be a fun time.

[analog zinc]

boss died on the same tick it killed us, we got credit

[sage path]

I want Rank 4 Vision for Christmas even though I’ll never use it as major LOL.

[analog zinc]

why not?

Its the best gp major for keys

[sage path]

Not good for Havoc DH

[analog zinc]

oh

[distant crystal]

you can't even see it on dh

the meta model covers it up :p

[sage path]

Hey actually have you guys tried Lucid build on War?

[analog zinc]

real shit?

[distant crystal]

i think it was @warm plinth that told me about that

[analog zinc]

i haven't tried it but i've thought about it

[ionic fern]

Try everything cause why not.

[warm plinth]

@sage path You see that some DH are using vision minor on some dungeons? Kinda makes sense to me on like KR especially

[analog zinc]

my dh friend started running vision minor some

[sage path]

It’s really good because DHs have 1 digit IQ

[warm plinth]

Yeah you don't actually see vision R4 as a havoc DH

[distant crystal]

meleebrain

[sage path]

We need to use stuff on CD before our brains turn off.

[warm plinth]

😂

[tame garden]

meleebrain > havocbrain

[warm plinth]

^

[sage path]

Like we’re almost like babies that need to be fed certain pulls and Vision Minor just means we can take more bites since most tanks don’t pull massive anyways.

[analog zinc]

shout out to when i got carried from 3/8M to 9/9M by switching to havoc in dazar'alor

[sage path]

Nice, happened to me this season but now I gotto find a new guild 😦 ...

Me no want splits or rogue alt!

[warm plinth]

Are you running it in any dungeons atm Rin?

[oblique garnet]

@sage path there are few some very niche uses for lucid major for pwar but i wouldnt use it over vop or cns major in almost any scenario

You lose way too much for the benefits to outweigh the costs

Also to play with lucid major you need to specifically plan your pulls around it and spam the fuck out of ip

[sage path]

Yeah I know the creator of the build, I think it’s harder to use too and like the other 2 better but I can’t deny the effectiveness of it. It’s just pretty annoying to plan the whole dungeon before hand and you need to scale it well cuz each key above 20 is noticeably different in time gaps.

I always run Vision minor because it lines better for boss fights for me. Makes it so even if I used meta I will get it back in boss fight most of the time.

[oblique garnet]

What was his thought process behind the build?

To get 2x avatars back to back with giga leech?

[analog zinc]

basically^

[sage path]

Nah getting Last Stand back to back.

[analog zinc]

it makes you a self sustaining unkillable god every 2m

[sage path]

Also magic damage

[analog zinc]

w8 magic damage?

might it be better than AUG for that?

[sage path]

Aug?

[analog zinc]

azeroth's undying guardian

[oblique garnet]

Aug has cd of what 40 seconds or 1min?

[analog zinc]

40s

[sage path]

Definitely, if you can spam ignore pain it’s free DR.

[analog zinc]

40%dr for 2s, 20% for 2s

[oblique garnet]

I mean you can spam ip

Without lucid major

[analog zinc]

if you're taking some big consistant damage like a strong dot you're gonna have to take a lot of dot ticks

without IP

[sage path]

Like a friend of mine who’s Russian and his tank is highest io in the world Prot War, actually only other tank that’s 4k besides Radsbrew.

They were talking about him learning Lucid to deal with damage on 25 Tyran Temple 3rd boss, cuz healer already has a lot to heal. And maybe tank can soak some with lucid so dps don’t die.

It has its uses but it’s just a extra CD and 2 minutes so like nobody really likes it. + he plays double shield slam and not Bloodsport so he pretty much just ignore the suggestion.

[analog zinc]

i wanna try this out next tier

maybe it'll be good for some of the strong dot fights like wrathion & vexiona

(tho i'll undoubtably be on my DH for vex cuz grip)

[sage path]

2 minutes so that’s the annoying thing.

[ionic fern]

It's fun to toy around with but it's still lackluster compared to other options.

[sage path]

Need to make sure you live when it’s on CD.

[analog zinc]

yeah the 2m CD is pretty long

especially if you're mainly using it for IPs & not the CDR

[sage path]

You do use it for CDR, you just spam IP until you have stuff back with anger management.

[analog zinc]

yeah but like with magic damage, its not like last resort & avatar do much

[sage path]

Cuz IP is off global

[ionic fern]

That's where the planning part comes to play so you actually use it on big pulls and play around it.

And that's annoying as hell to do.

[sage path]

My War is pretty big now though, I’m just sad he’s going back to rogue next tier, alt monk, and abandoning his war... https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Mïyavi

[oblique garnet]

So basically what he tried to achieve was monks self ”healing” as warrior

[sage path]

So I have 2 BiS rogues, a few healers... but no tanks XD... It’s going to be fun LF the most important role in keys again.

[oblique garnet]

Why is he switching to rogue from warrior next tier

[sage path]

Last tier he was like best pug rogue on NA, did more damage than anyone but got ignored a lot for more famous options. I thought, he’s good dps can probably be good tank too, he switch to tank and well I was wrong.

Tanking is so much more than just doing your job right, you need to make sure other ppl do theirs too and also be pretty social and active so your DPS/Healers don’t get snatched away by other tanks...

Very mechanically skilled, but not a good tank sadly. Can’t even do the crazy stuff he wants like pulling all the jumpy guys into last boss WM or doing 2nd boss FH with 2 packs + yellows.

[oblique garnet]

I mean you can shot call as dps it frees the tank player to focus more on other things

I.e not getting clapped

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh outside of route I don't see why a tank should be shot calling anyways

[sage path]

They shouldn’t

Your ranged should be shot calling those lazy bastards!

[ionic fern]

I like to do it tbh. Easier for me to manage cd's/interrupts/pulls etc

[sage path]

But ehh the funnest thing I’ve seen about shot calling is 25 TD.

This one monk forgot to call 2nd boss kicks and 3 rogues did nothing but wipe LOL.

[chilly brook]

Tbh about the most shot calling I do is "hey got your dps cd's? Cool lemme go grab a big pack" or "don't interrupt next cast I'm reflecting"

[oblique garnet]

I hate to do shotcalling i prefer to focus on looking at the next pull like where patrol is and stuff like that

[ionic fern]

You do that as well at the same time.

[chilly brook]

I'm always looking at the next pack 🙃

[ionic fern]

But meh,it's up to people who actually is the vocal one etx

[chilly brook]

But that's just cuz I don't like downtime

[oblique garnet]

Ok mwahi do that while having 2-3 packs at the same time and shotcalling 😃

[ionic fern]

If i had a vocal dps/healer i wouldnt mind them shotcalling

I do that already.

[oblique garnet]

Does it affect your play?

Could you do better damage wise?

[ionic fern]

I don't think i'm pushing high enough currently for it to matter much tbh

[sage path]

Rads shot calls but he’s a kite master and brew now.

[ionic fern]

Mostly 18-20 keys

[sage path]

Russian group they all call something

And Oono, Drjay (Mage) Calle everything.

[ionic fern]

But it obv takes something away since you have to concentrate on calling things.

[oblique garnet]

I remember watching rads shotcall on warrior and forgetting to use mitigation and dying

[sage path]

I like Oono’s group best even if they aren’t highest IO.

[oblique garnet]

All i know from oono that he rages alot

[ionic fern]

😂

[tame garden]

drjay just calls everything

i want a dps like that

[sage path]

Well he’s French, he’s just expressing himself.

[ionic fern]

Tanks are just vocal people in groups. Full on alphas.

Finding a vocal dps has proven damn hard from my experience atleast.

[oblique garnet]

Literally on mute half the dungeon Vocal yeah

[chilly brook]

I'm vocal but like only when I need to be

The DH I sometimes run with is also a raid leader so not like I need to be

[ionic fern]

Tbh when i dps i stay quiet as well..mostly cause i'm trying to remember my rotation.

👀

[mortal brook]

talkative tank = alpha. talkative dps = prob being toxic

[oblique garnet]

I mean its not even that but why would i want to be vocal in situation where i dont have to be

[chilly brook]

Just play unholy don't gotta remember anything

Just when things come off cd hit them

[ionic fern]

I mean ofc. I thought we are talking being vocal as in calling neccessary things in m+

[chilly brook]

@mortal brook can I be both alpha and toxic as a tank?

[ionic fern]

New level.

[undone sun]

The Undesirable

[oblique garnet]

Yes so necessary things in m+ ”Prepot” before pull ”External” ”Any gigaforges”

[chilly brook]

How else am I supposed to be a true masculine alpha if I'm not toxic??

[mortal brook]

I dont think so, no

[ionic fern]

@oblique garnet remember to call for hs usage also. Micromanage it.

[mortal brook]

Theres rarely ever any salt or grief from tanks in general, much less toxicity, im pretty sure

[oblique garnet]

I mean

One heal

Is it too much to be asking as a tank

[chilly brook]

Idk I could get pretty toxic towards some dps I've grouped with but its usually just not worth it

[oblique garnet]

Toxicity isnt worth it

[modern brook]

Merry christmas #protection

[ionic fern]

Merry christmas to you too.

[chilly brook]

@oblique garnet it's worth it when you're pushing mmr in rainbow six and the people on your team are costing you your elo because they don't belong in the elo they're in

At least that's what I tell myself

Also @modern brook merry Christmas

[warm plinth]

Merry Christmas guy who isn't playing anymore

[oblique garnet]

Just be better and you will get higher mmr and eventually be where you deserve to be

[chilly brook]

That works in a perfect world which unfortunately this isn't

[warm plinth]

I got a present for @modern brook and @lusty grotto

[oblique garnet]

It works if you are truly better than the people at your mmr

You are getting matched with equal skilled players if you are better you can win

[lusty grotto]

?

i said merry xmas yesterday

yall ignoring the boomer

[chilly brook]

If I'm getting 2-3 frags a round but the rest of the team can't finish off the other 2 then I'm not going anywhere

@lusty grotto merry Christmas boomer 😛

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto Do you want to see your present?

Otherwise please DM me your address and I will send it right out

[modern brook]

Presento?

I'm in japan btw

[warm plinth]

Well, if @lusty grotto doesn't love me anymore, that's fine. Here's your present.

[abstract meteor]

what trinket is more important for m+

urchin or edict?

[modern brook]

I cant heart react it but I love it ghash

[lusty grotto]

thanks i hate it

[warm plinth]

I'm still upset you didn't watch my video Nim

Just saying

I thought we were cool

[modern brook]

Video?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I just wanted views

@modern brook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgdnsYhDDk&feature=youtu.be

[lusty grotto]

of course i watched it

[tacit gorge]

for m+ which trinkets should i take, 400 prism with socket 435 edict, 435 urchin, 435 block with socket, 424 cyclotronic?

[warm plinth]

What level keys are you doing?

[tacit gorge]

at the moment between 10-15

[warm plinth]

I'd use urchin+block probably

[tacit gorge]

okay i will try it 🙂 so i can scrap my prism

[warm plinth]

Probably, yeah.

[broken isle]

how often do people do people use victory rush in keys? I always forget to use it

[abstract meteor]

Urchin vs edict, what one is more important?

[warm plinth]

@broken isle I use it when it’s available and I am missing HP personally.

[sick sentinel]

I also heal when I am missing health

[vocal skiff]

The one thing that draws me back to tanking, despite some anxiety, is playing another role and having a tank super careful and pulling small in a very low key, while they are well geared

Failed a shrine that had absolutely no deaths lol

[left hatch]

^ biggest pet peeve when im not tanking is tanks that stop for 5-10s between pulls

[vocal skiff]

Dude was kiting mobs in a +9 while he had 430-440 gear

wtf

[left hatch]

its absolutely brutal to not have pull control when shit like that happens between every pull

[chilly brook]

@vocal skiff if you fail a shrine with no deaths even if the tank isn't pulling big imo it's a dps issue unless his pacing of pulls is absolute ass and he has a ton of downtime between pulls

[near ivy]

or the more likely answer

its both

[chilly brook]

Probably

[vocal skiff]

It was both, definitely

[sick sentinel]

Or the less likely answer

[vocal skiff]

dps was weak

[sick sentinel]

It’s neither

[chilly brook]

For example did a 15 shrine yesterday with like 2 deaths one of which was for a skip and smashed the timer despite me not doing big pulls

[vocal skiff]

Yeah, the weak dps was a contributing factor

[sick sentinel]

Why didn’t you do big pulls sissy

[warm plinth]

^

This tbh

[chilly brook]

Because bolstering

Duh

[sick sentinel]

Soft

[vocal skiff]

In my case, though, playing frost mage, the small pulls def hurt the dps

[sick sentinel]

Just kill them all at once 4head

[vocal skiff]

And there were a havoc and outlaw

[chilly brook]

Fight me bruh

[vocal skiff]

So he could have pulled a little more aggressive

[chilly brook]

Timed the key ez

[sick sentinel]

I’m more interested in fighting the guy playing a frost mage

[vocal skiff]

Still, he stopped all the time for 4-5 seconds

Hey man, no point in going fire in low keys lol

[chilly brook]

My one and only stop of pulls was to type something lol

Define low

Cuz the fire mage in my group was still doing like 70k

[vocal skiff]

+9-10

[sick sentinel]

No point in playing mage in any keys ya hate to see it

[chilly brook]

Ah yea

[vocal skiff]

Shit dies too fast

for fire to be effective

[chilly brook]

True

Speaking of dps

What should I boost?

[sick sentinel]

I am boosting an enhancement shaman for the day they become meta

I’ll be ready

[chilly brook]

So never

[sick sentinel]

Also considering boosting a spriest

[warm plinth]

I was thinking about leveling a spriest

[sick sentinel]

Leveling

[chilly brook]

Why level when you get a free boost for the new xpac

Whatever I boost it has to be a panda

[warm plinth]

I already used the SL boost

@lusty grotto

[sick sentinel]

I only know how to play 4 classes so boosting is pointless for me

4 specs *

[lusty grotto]

what is this font ghash

are you running battle net in times new roman?

[warm plinth]

Nah I'm playing D3

[lusty grotto]

SMH

imagine if you played classic with your old pal nimchip

on the kirtonos server, as alliance

and get instantly guild invited cause we need fury warriors

just imagine ghash

[vapid ibex]

why do the high io prot warriors put crit enchants/gems in their gear when people are saying ilvl>haste>crit? do they have enough haste? and what is "too much" haste? where do u guys like to sit

[left hatch]

its because crit gives them more dps, theres no such thing as too much haste

[lusty grotto]

crit is good for keys cause parrying helps for a lot of affixes and for huge pulls

it depends on what your playstyle is

if you're not doing huge pulls there's 0 reason to go crit

[vapid ibex]

ok so how do i decide then? my monk tank is 2.2k io so i usually do around 18-20 keys but i wanna learn prot for nxt patch

so, bigger pulls go crit? safer pulls go haste?

[lusty grotto]

huge pulls

not big pulls

huge

yuge

[vapid ibex]

yuuuge

[lusty grotto]

its been a while but that was the thought behind it

i simply capped haste at around 20%

[vapid ibex]

1 last question, for essences, i see some run strife some visions and some flame, when do u choose between those for major?

[lusty grotto]

honestly it just depends on what your playstyle is

super situational

[vapid ibex]

right, but what playstyle chooses what

[warm plinth]

Strife is for the doubled effect on the minor for very very high keys

[lusty grotto]

well visions/flame aren't interchangeable

[left hatch]

flame is strictly ST

[warm plinth]

And idk who tf is running CoF in keys but don't do that 🤔

[lusty grotto]

i run CoF cause fuck you ghash

[warm plinth]

You can't run shit for essences when you don't play retail bitch

[lusty grotto]

tyrannical keys would like a word

listen man

i run whatever i feel like, now play the mac and me video again

[warm plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgdnsYhDDk&feature=youtu.be

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Have you even actually given me my view?

Or are you lying to me

[lusty grotto]

of course i have

[warm plinth]

Then maybe that isn't as funny as I thought

[lusty grotto]

i mean

how many hits have you even gotten though

[warm plinth]

None probably because it's unlisted

[lusty grotto]

pussy

[undone sun]

🤣

that's one hell of a disguise

[lusty grotto]

lol 23 views

[warm plinth]

23 views ain't bad for only having viewers in here

[undone sun]

ghash getting famous Kappa

[warm plinth]

😂

I was pretty fuckin proud of that disguise Thyme

[undone sun]

ngl

[lusty grotto]

can i get some youtube money out of this

[undone sun]

i didn't click on it thinking it was actually the paul rudd thing

[lusty grotto]

GOTTEM

[undone sun]

but now i know

[lusty grotto]

but thyme

it is the paul rudd thing

[undone sun]

yes

it is

you are correct

[lusty grotto]

😂

[warm plinth]

It's actually annoying to get to it because apparently unlisted means it doesn't even show up in my own videos

[undone sun]

weird

[warm plinth]

I fixed

See how many views we get now

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[undone sun]

skyrocket 🙃

[warm plinth]

Already 3 more views

Which definitely aren't you guys

(let me have this)

[undone sun]

🤣

[lusty grotto]

get fucked nerds

bet youll get an angry comment

[warm plinth]

Probably

For having a misleading title

[lusty grotto]

just reply with "get fucked nerds"

for maximum effect

[warm plinth]

I have 67 views on my Zul skip video

👍

[lusty grotto]

wait i havent seen that one

shit nvm

i dont wanna see it

[warm plinth]

It's not a troll, promise

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/FKOoesE.png

👀

[warm plinth]

What's that

[lusty grotto]

i dont trust you ghash

[undone sun]

my most viewed

[warm plinth]

Is it Dargrul?

[undone sun]

lol no

[warm plinth]

😂

[undone sun]

that's not even second most viewed

third though

[warm plinth]

I just watched that again recently

My most viewed is

But it's a playlist, not an individual video

I kinda cheated though

I posted it on Reddit

[undone sun]

lol that's how mine got 140k too

it was born in a comment thread

[warm plinth]

It's pretty funny that I have Nim on edge now though

Even funnier that it actually is a Zul skip video 😂

[lusty grotto]

im not falling for it again!

[warm plinth]

😂 😂 😂

[lusty grotto]

was there any cool presents on retail

im debating logging on just to check

[warm plinth]

Uhh, I think it's two toys? Idk, I haven't opened them

But be careful, one could be a certain screenshot

[lusty grotto]

fuck

uninstalling retail then

[warm plinth]

😂

[undone sun]

do it

bet

[lusty grotto]

lol

my guild is getting super burnt out on the grind to GM

some of them have started logging in retail

so its possible ill run keys next patch

[warm plinth]

Lies

[lusty grotto]

not lying

basically will raid log through BWL when it comes out anyway since there's absolutely nothing to do except rep/honor grind

so that leaves more time for retail

i just want recruitment to be over, i need 5 fury warriors. Come on guys, you know you wanna raid log in retail

😉

im confused

[warm plinth]

We know Nim

[opal harness]

i'm highly interested in playing prot as a tank in M Nyalotha. With the notion of having wiggle room on sacrificing some DPS for more survivability, what are some of the theorycrafted versions of a prot warrior that looks super durable in Nyalotha? Azerite, Talents, Essences setup. Happy holidays!

[lusty grotto]

i dont think talents will change

but i could be wrong, they basically haven't changed in any raid release

unless of course there are some adjustments which im not aware of

[warm plinth]

Yeah typically you'd just change trinkets if you needed more survival

We don't usually have to sacrifice much defensively to do damage; it's one of our perks

[lusty grotto]

yo ghash, there was an epic games special for PR

picked up jedi fallen order for 10 bucks

its a good game

sale doesnt work in the states sadly ;\

[warm plinth]

RIP

[lusty grotto]

well $13

deleted so thyme doesn't complain about clutter 😛

btw cosmo has been toxic in the classic discord, lol... getting his name changed :p

im not yet toxicchip in there :[

[sick sentinel]

Buzz off toxic classic nerd

[lusty grotto]

HEY

[sick sentinel]

Hello

[lusty grotto]

its MR Toxicchip to you

[mortal brook]

I bet leech is a lot more important in classic

[sick sentinel]

Fact: if you wear a leech set you cannot die.

Ya love to see leech on your gear

[lusty grotto]

lol steve

hawgz y u do dis

[sick sentinel]

The only thing I do is wear leech gear and slay bosses what do you mean

[lusty grotto]

😬

[ionic fern]

No leech memeing.

[brittle owl]

yeah ffs, take it seriously

[dense tusk]

been trying to farm for a shield for awhile now

how important is a high item leveled shield for tankiness?

[mental scarab]

Like food for not to die

😐

[ionic fern]

@dense tusk really-really important.

Are you also doing raids?

[dense tusk]

yea i just came back to the game and rerolling warrior I just want to know how big of a dmg reduction percentage i would get from a 350 shield to a 430 shield

im tanking 14s and 15s fine enough but some packs im getting trucked and am wondering if its just the shield or if im doing something wrong

[fringe folio]

Doing 14s and 15s with a 350 shield ? 😮 why don’t you do some 0’s to at least up the shield?

Then hope for the rng gods to shine favorably on you 🙂

[dense tusk]

saved to all them lol super unlucky

[fringe folio]

Indeed :/

[analog zinc]

damn that is giga unluck

go cap conquest it gives you 415 shield

(i think)

[vocal skiff]

Makes me feel like a scrub that someone can tank 15s with a 350 shield lol

[strong forum]

Git gud then

😏

[vocal skiff]

The ever elusive goal

[analog zinc]

i mean if you can tank 25s with a 445 shield

you can tank 15s with a 350

[sullen valve]

Good morning my fellow wowA users :)

[warm plinth]

Is it a good morning?

[strong forum]

Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?

[glacial radish]

[empty nacelle]

pretty sure thats the point bilbo says "ok boomer"

[exotic spoke]

Morning everyone

[chilly brook]

@dense tusk don't have a percentage for you but it's a fairly large damage reduction

[warm plinth]

Morning Riki

[exotic spoke]

Hope everyone is / has enjoyed their holiday of choice!

[sick sentinel]

I is enjoyed my holiday of choice thanks riki

[strong forum]

I'm still stuck at families

Sooo.

Meh

Drank a little too much yesterday

[tame garden]

[dense tusk]

damn wish someone did the math for me:D

[warm plinth]

Math for what

[dense tusk]

dmg reduction difference between a 350 and a 430 shield

[warm plinth]

If you can tell me the block value on a 350 and 430 shield, I can figure it out pretty easily

[dense tusk]

4087

on the 350

7082 on the 430

[warm plinth]

In M+, the 350 is 28.3% reduction.

The 430 is 40.6% reduction

[strong forum]

🤔 how is my 445 55% then

[warm plinth]

It's not

445 is 43.4%

[sweet summit]

IF traits

[warm plinth]

Yeah, must have some traits or something

Or are you looking here

[dense tusk]

so were you just calculating the blocks dmg reduction?

[warm plinth]

No, I was calculating the block's damage reduction specifically for mythic dungeons

Different content has a different k value which is used in the formula for block damage calculations

The tooltip on your character screen is showing you how much damage you reduce on a 120 enemy out in the world (or if you have something targeted, it shows you how much you'd reduce against that enemy; e.g. if you targeted a critter, it'd probably say 85%)

I highly doubt even with traits you could get to 55% though. Even with two IF traits and a 445 shield, I only have 47.78% reduction in mythic dungeons

[dense tusk]

hmmm

[warm plinth]

Maybe if you had like 3x IF and multiple BFIs stacked up

[dense tusk]

and critical block can only be 85 percent dmg reduc?

[warm plinth]

Correct

All DR is limited to 85% afaik, even from armor

[dense tusk]

and whats increases the critical block chance?

[warm plinth]

Just mastery

[dense tusk]

ah ok thats why bastion is legit bis in dungeons gotcha

[warm plinth]

That's why bastion is so strong defensively in M+ because it basically turns Avatar into a crit block machine

[dense tusk]

thats what makes avatar a defensive essentially

[warm plinth]

Yep

[dense tusk]

and ap

[chilly brook]

@dense tusk I mean bastion is bis for multiple reasons, higher damage output, good defensive scaling and most importantly how all that scales in an environment where you're taking hits from multiple sources and able to hit several targets aka m+

It's kinda like why booming voice is bis it's not just because it increases damage but also the rage generation and how it feeds into everything else. Prot is probably one of the best designed classes in that regard whether it was a mistake that it ended up flowing and interacting with itself so well or not

[left turret]

any predictions about which class rule m+ at 8.3 ? Monk or warriors ?

[dense tusk]

i think it will be warrior since trinkets wont be the same

the raid trinkets just work so well with brewmaster its an insane amount of self healing

i do like 25k self healing with out pressing a button

[left turret]

yeah crazy self heal

so warrior dominate again ?

[crystal totem]

can prot fc bgs

[vapid ibex]

is sphere of suppresion good for minor?

[sweet summit]

very good with more haste, so yes

[analog zinc]

prot warrior will absolutely be the best m+ tank
right now they're impeded more than any other tank by Beguilling, with that gone they'll be at their full strength again, & Monks, the only real competition for prot war is getting their healing nerfed hard
Right now its debatable whether monk is better than war, but with monks needing signifigantly more healing than war they wont even be close

[tame garden]

best tank will be 🐻

[south yarrow]

didn't you hear? it's bdk

[distant crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/649734240723795968.png?v=1

[strong forum]

How is prot the most impeded tank right now

[sweet summit]

i think vdh with the new build you know will be top by far so good

[strong forum]

:wat:

[distant crystal]

cause tides slaps

[strong forum]

So

[distant crystal]

and emissaries limit pull size

[strong forum]

People still do 25s as prot

[distant crystal]

and prot likes big pulls

[strong forum]

So idk how prot is impeded

[distant crystal]

that's cause they're so good in spite of the impediment

he just means removing emissaries helps prot more than any other tank

[analog zinc]

prot is worst at emissaries because they're bad at enchanted & get hit really fuckin hard by tides

[oblique garnet]

Vdh wont be even close

[wooden radish]

how are they bad at enchanted. heroic throw 4head

[oblique garnet]

Like sure you want a tank that does 10k overall?

[sweet summit]

sorry i was memeing

[warm plinth]

How is prot bad at enchanted? You can literally pop Avatar and hold off an enchanted solo with Crackling Thunder 🤔

Also come on Late, they're not that bad. My tank does at least 16k :p

[tame garden]

[south yarrow]

You wouldn't play ftd in keys

[warm plinth]

Who said anything about ftd? They're talking about the gluttony build, which people do run in keys.

[south yarrow]

10k is quite the exaggeration but ok xd

Thought you might be talking about shear spamming ftd

[warm plinth]

I think my tank does actually run FTD sometimes because he does shear spam

But just taking Spirit Bomb out of the rotation hurts their damage significantly

[south yarrow]

If he is using shear then yeah he has ftd

[exotic spoke]

Hi @tame garden how are you today?

[woven venture]

Monk gets nerfed on top of losing bugged gift of the ox healing and their crazy synergy with the EP raid trinkets. Warrior doesn't have to fight tides and M+ will likely see bigger average pulls without beguiling so war DPS is even better than now. Seems like at least for M+ warrior is going to be the FOTM tank in 8.3. I just started playing mine, not because of meta though, just because if I'm going to tank, I want the guy who has the most fun tools to hit and for me that's warrior.

[exotic spoke]

I mean, we’ll be as strong as we’ve been - if not a little stronger because of vision buff.

Tides, for the most part, is minor imo. Ever since it’s become widely known about the Z axis thing

@analog zinc how are we bad at enchanted?

[analog zinc]

its not that prot warriors are like garbage at it or something, they're just worse than other tanks

[exotic spoke]

How do!

So*?

We have a spammable ranged attack and a ranged stun. Which is close to enough time after a night elf resets it cause alliance kekw

[analog zinc]

monks can ring it out for a long time & even hold it off with quick lightnings or RJW
pally has stun, can hit it from far away without losing anything defensively & avenger's shield can even do aoe damage while you're knocking it
bears & veng dh both kinda suck at it but those classes are better at tides than pwar

[strong forum]

Warri has stormbolt fear and heroic throw

Sooo

[exotic spoke]

So we can basically do everything they can do too. Ranged stun and spammable attacks

[strong forum]

How is pally better?

[exotic spoke]

Sounds like we’re just as good or better than they are

[analog zinc]

heroic throw is missed GCDs

pally loses nothing by chucking judgements or avenger's shields at it

[strong forum]

So is pally stun / judgment / shield

Still a gcd not used on an add

[exotic spoke]

Um... they are using GCDs too. If it bounces it’s too close usually

[analog zinc]

the difference is, judgemtn & avenger's shield are rotational abilities, you're not sacrificing any mitigation to press them where a warrior is missing out on important abilities for your survival like clap & SS

[exotic spoke]

We have open GCDs where we can’t hit clap or SS

[strong forum]

It's just splitting hair

[sweet summit]

we all also have group members that help us keep them away :)

[strong forum]

For no reason as to spread bullshit

[exotic spoke]

Where you’d use revenge or devastate. Just insert storm bolt or heroic throw

And Druid with the thing that snaps things back

[analog zinc]

that doesn't do anything to refute my point

[exotic spoke]

It’s easy for us to do clap throw clap throw clap throw during. Avatar if we need to

You don’t have a real point.

[analog zinc]

"warriors aren't bad on enchanted because they can just have other group members do enchanted"

[exotic spoke]

We are as good when properly played as other classes at dealing with enchanted

And it’s a moot point now with snowballs

[sweet summit]

that was not my point, im just saying this argument is kinda stupid because tanks usually dont solo enchanted. we have a 4 sec stun and a gcd capped ranged ability, cool. good nice

[exotic spoke]

It almost always goes to the healer and we help imo

Occasionally it’s me and my spriest

[strong forum]

My rsham takes care of em

[exotic spoke]

I strongly disagree with the idea that warriors are terrible at dealing with enchanted emissaries. I think we’re honestly one of the strongest

[analog zinc]

one of the strongest, while being worse than monk & pally

[exotic spoke]

I disagree that we are worse than them

Monk is using GCDs and we can do the same.

[winged grail]

wait heroic throw is better than rop now? 😮

[exotic spoke]

We have a ranged stun and after a few claps

@winged grail storm bolt

[toxic gyro]

Monk throws down ring and pulls either emissary before pack or pack first

[exotic spoke]

And you can’t usually open with top anyway

Might as well handle both at the same time 🙂

[winged grail]

Well personally I don't have any issue with enchanted