It's illegal
#protection
sick sentinel
toxic gyro
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel a certain someone said he was going to get me one. There has been literally no progress though so I feel betrayed
warm plinth
Listen, fuck
exotic spoke
Whoa! Why are you so defensive
It’s not like I said “@warm plinth has failed to follow up on his promise to get me one”
Oh wait. I guess I just did @warm plinth
warm plinth
😭
tame garden
Smh ghash
exotic spoke
When it’s worthless?
What a friend you are
Speg would never let me down after he agreed to help me with something would you @tame garden
warm plinth
You never specified a time
exotic spoke
Smh
exotic spoke
At least you’re honest about it
tame garden
I'm not ashamed of my flaws
warm plinth
I should turn off my stream reports from Twitch because they're depressing.
tame garden
Am 🐻 and am proud
warm plinth
I don't need Twitch to tell me I had zero viewers
tame garden
😭
sick sentinel
Hello
warm plinth
Also this was actually the wrong server
sick sentinel
Am bear
sick sentinel
Howdy gamers
Gf making me take wow break for holidays so I am stuck letting you turds catch up to me
ionic fern
Hi.
sick sentinel
Ghash my io is higher than snoop dog I do not need your criticism
exotic spoke
That’s cute
tame garden
:roofite:
sick sentinel
Imagine not being 2100 week 1
oblique garnet
Imagine pushing
marsh silo
so we want to run the haste proc card over cyclonic blast in the mechagon trinet?
ionic fern
For m+ preferably. For st blast will be better.
exotic spoke
Thanks for making me feel bad kaege
exotic spoke
Well, let the drinking begin
analog swift
@exotic spoke you push this week bb
warm plinth
Can you imagine if it was per hit though 🤤
long stone
quick question - hows the warrior tank atm in mythic +?
near ivy
good
long stone
bit blood dk is still bis right?
slim crater
brm is best then prot is right behind it
long stone
oh wow, ok thought dk op over all^^
near ivy
blood dk was good in s1
long stone
nice to know thanks , i am a s1 returner - thats perfect then 😄
brittle owl
bdk being 'good' s1 is also misleading
there were other factors that led to them being the most popular pick in s1
sick sentinel
Bdk blowz
exotic spoke
Bottom is also misleading. They are still perfectly viable. All the tanks are for keys that the majority of the playerbase does
surreal oak
15+ ilv our traits ?
warm plinth
What's the question?
exotic spoke
Sorry, @surreal oak I don’t understand your question. Can you please clarify?
surreal oak
15 more ilv or the best traits?
warm plinth
15 more ilevel, unless it's for your first Deafening Crash
surreal oak
ok ty
analog zinc
i'm trying to add spell reflect to my ERT interupt tracker
whats the spell ID for SR?
glad ridge
im seeing little to no changes for prot warrior in 8.3 and 9.0 kind of sad
warm plinth
I mean, we know almost nothing about any spec in 9.0 other than the "unpruning" stuff that's coming back
I would be shocked if we did this far out
glad ridge
i mean a lot of classes are getting some flavor spells i was so hoping theyd announce glad stance again during blizzcon
in 9.0*
warm plinth
We got some "flavor spells" too. Challenging Shout and Shattering Throw are coming back
analog zinc
why would there be changes in 8.3
warm plinth
I didn't play war til Legion so I'm not super familiar with stances but I didn't care for them when I tried it back in TBC/Wrath so
analog zinc
bliz dont make major class changes except in expansion releases
warm plinth
Not mad that they aren't making a comeback
analog zinc
i've been enjoying bfa war but i'd welcome an overall
maybe make them more of a builder spender instead just a builder that spams ignore pain & shield block
warm plinth
As long as they keep the high APM playstyle, I think I'll enjoy it no matter what
analog zinc
btw add heroic strike 🙂
remove IP add that
make spending rage do damage
instead of just IP, shield block & the very rare revenge
warm plinth
Like what rendition of Heroic Strike? Because the original Heroic Strike sucked balls lol
warm plinth
The "on next melee hit" part was stupid as hell
warm plinth
wat; it's a spell that you would have to wait for instead of pressing other buttons
analog zinc
you press it alongside other buttons
its off the gcd
just a way of converting excess rage into a bit more damage
warm plinth
Yeah but it doesn't "cast" until the next weapon swing
Which means if you pressed something else, it would cancel it
analog zinc
no?
warm plinth
That's how the original worked. It basically turned your next melee into a super melee, but you had the spell queued up until you swung again
analog zinc
aight well dont have the original version
warm plinth
So you wouldn't be able to use other spells
ionic fern
Just use Revenge to convert rage to damage. 👀
warm plinth
Apparently Revenge is rarely used :p
analog zinc
revenge sucks
ionic fern
How come is it different from Heroic Strike? It is a rage dump that deals a bit of damage. Only that it's instant and on gcd.
analog zinc
it procs to be free
warm plinth
It also applies Deep Wounds which is a big part of our damage
analog zinc
it defeats the purpose of being a rage dump
exotic spoke
I mean, it’s more damage. If it’s free you dump with IP
Soooooo I don’t see what the issue is
warm plinth
And it's the only aoe application of Deep Wounds I think? Or does TC do it as well? I don't remember
exotic spoke
And heroic strike / cleave felt bad back in the day
ionic fern
TC doesnt.
exotic spoke
Not only do you spend rage you also don’t gain rage from that attack 😦
warm plinth
Honestly fine with how our toolkit is right now. I definitely don't wanna have Maul, that's for damn sure 😂
exotic spoke
Also, why do you want to remove IP?
analog zinc
i just checked on my classic bear, swipe doesn't cancel maul
warm plinth
He did say remove IP at one point
analog zinc
dont see why something would cancel heroic strike
exotic spoke
analog zinc
^
ionic fern
Ooof.
exotic spoke
I mean..... I guess that’s an opinion you can have
warm plinth
I may be misremembering that then. More likely it was that you had rage sitting there while you were waiting for it to cast and if you accidentally spent that rage, it would cancel (since you no longer had the rage to cast it)
analog zinc
its pretty obvious they wanted to remove it in BfA but couldn't come up with any alternatives quickly enough so they had to add it back in
warm plinth
I didn't play warrior in vanilla but remember trying it briefly and hating the feel of HS and cleave in general
analog zinc
yeah that happens Ghash
exotic spoke
IP was pretty Op in legion
analog zinc
if you have say 20 rage, start Maul, then swipe, you'll go down to 5 rage & can't cast maul
exotic spoke
Then nerfed and then it got pretty OP towards the end too
warm plinth
Yeah that's probably what I'm remembering
exotic spoke
IP is very strong and a necessary part of our toolkit right now
analog zinc
ye absolutely
if you just took away IP wars would suck
that's why I think they're gonna overhaul the spec & remove IP in that
exotic spoke
Please don’t slow down the spec. Onnext attacks were shit
ionic fern
I got nothing against IP either. It flows decently with the builder/spender fast playstyle. I doubt they would overhaul the spec completely.
analog zinc
I think they'll do an overhaul because they want to remove IP & you can't really do that without an overhaul
warm plinth
As long as they keep that shit off the GCD 😂
Where are you reading that they want to remove IP?
oblique garnet
^
ionic fern
He takes it from start of bfa
analog zinc
nothing read, just based on evidence in bfa beta & alpha
exotic spoke
Agree with mwahi. We need a second defensive ability. IP works and is off GCD which is necessary
ionic fern
It was removed for some time
analog zinc
they removed IP multiple times
analog zinc
but it was added back for good just a few months before bfa launch
warm plinth
I don't think that's really evidence of them wanting to remove it though. They could have just been messing with our mitigation since they wanted us more reliant on healers and thought IP was too strong vs magic
grand drum
Isnt shadowlands when theyre unpruning classes? Dont think theyll remove ip
exotic spoke
We get shattering throw
warm plinth
Oh ffs
exotic spoke
Please don’t add sunder
warm plinth
Get this guy out of here
ionic fern
Sunder stacking the dream.
exotic spoke
Was a worthless fucking button
ionic fern
😂
exotic spoke
In terms of feeling good
warm plinth
I was about to say the worst part is it wasn't worthless but it felt worthless XD
exotic spoke
And makes transitioning off of mobs and doing other things feel terrible
I’m happy we get shattering throw back
oblique garnet
Eh
exotic spoke
I used to be really into pvp late. That’s why I love it. Also helping raid increase dps during hero was nice
oblique garnet
I dont see blizzard fixing pvp for shadowlands
And i can already imagine next pvp season being even worse
warm plinth
Shattering was the one that removed armor and immunities right?
oblique garnet
Than what it is now
ionic fern
Jep
exotic spoke
I don’t do competitive pvp seriously any more at all. But it’s nice to say fuck you to Paladins / mages in world pvp
warm plinth
With a cast time iirc XD
exotic spoke
Short cast time. Like 1 or 1.5
analog zinc
wait what did shatter do?
ionic fern
1.5 iirc
analog zinc
i thought it just removed divine shield
exotic spoke
Breaks all immunities
analog zinc
it removed armour?
warm plinth
It removed immunities and ignored armor for a short period iirc
ionic fern
exotic spoke
And if they didn’t have an immunity it increased damage taken I believe (or was it remove armor)
analog zinc
cool I never knwe that
warm plinth
Oh so it's an either/or thing
analog zinc
so its a raid dps cooldown huh
warm plinth
Either removes bubble/block/whatever OR does the ArPen effect
exotic spoke
Mmmm armor pen....
warm plinth
I guess technically. But I could see them tuning it to not be particularly effective in PvE.
exotic spoke
ARP ARP ARP
warm plinth
Idk how much armor mobs actually have
analog zinc
they might remove that part
exotic spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
analog zinc
¯_(ツ)_/¯'
warm plinth
@ionic fern Theorycrafter, how much armor do mobs have
exotic spoke
Enough
Would be my smartass answer
warm plinth
😄
chilly brook
@sick sentinel can you even be elitist if you have a gf that forces you off the game? Or a gf at all for that matter?
sick sentinel
what profession for tanking :?
distant crystal
still kinda hoping for a 455 kimbuls on rogue tho
w/e you want really
blacksmithing, alchemy, jc
engi
analog zinc
engi helm is decent but has no BoM
alchem trinket is very good
jewelcrafting for bis? rings
smithing for some like pants or some shit
warm plinth
engi helm has secondaries 😏
empty nacelle
lol
chilly brook
Doesn't jc ring also have a guaranteed socket?
sick sentinel
so jc sounds good
warm plinth
empty nacelle
jc is a lot of mats
chilly brook
I mean I'd just go alchemist
analog zinc
be warned
analog zinc
JC is VERY expensive
oblique garnet
Jc is very cheap rn
ionic fern
I can't remember how much armor but it was 30% dr from melees iirc
exotic spoke
I’m an alchemist / blacksmith and JC is super cheap now
oblique garnet
Its the same cost as alchemy basically
oblique garnet
Ofc
analog zinc
since you need to craft multiple until you get the one with good stats
warm plinth
Is it actually due to armor or is it just a flat reduction on bosses?
exotic spoke
Same mats as this tier yeah?
chilly brook
Double flask duration is bis
warm plinth
We must theorycraft for late 2020
ionic fern
I am pretty sure it's armor. But it's 2 am and i'm on mobile so not gonna math it out.
exotic spoke
I gotta get like 6 more.
ionic fern
👀
oblique garnet
You can get to 75 real fast
exotic spoke
Yeah, but a nice little bump would be good. I just do the emissaries once every three days if I need those
empty nacelle
i still have the quest to kill uunat waiting 👀
chilly brook
Who does emissaries
exotic spoke
I do every three days if I need the rep for that faction
Cause I like to spread out the work load where possible
sick sentinel
so alchemy for flasks and pre pots
exotic spoke
Flasks and stoke are really only things you gain from alchemy. You can get the procs on an alt
So prepots aren’t really a factor
sick sentinel
just been pugging and realised no professions lol but there is so many options
exotic spoke
Engineering , alchemy, JC, and blacksmithing are all solid
sick sentinel
is it risky having the br as tank?
exotic spoke
No
Chances are it someone dies it’s going to be you in m+
Unless they ducked up
Oh sorry I misinterpreted
I meant for the helmet
No the BR from engineering
sick sentinel
anyone know the level you need for 2 hour flasks?
@sick sentinel be able to craft the flask
warm plinth
I think it's when you can craft it
sick sentinel
ty:)
zenith cosmos
thoughts on tank trinkets next tier from a defensive point of view?
exotic spoke
For m+ or raid?
sick sentinel
sup guys so im looking to come back to WoW and probably gonna play my prot warrior (before i quit i swapped between my monk and warrior, and my warrior ended up falling behind my monk). how is prot and has anything changed, build wise or how good they were?
warm plinth
has anything changed
When did you last play?
sick sentinel
yeah i just realized i should have mentioned that lol, i cleared EP on heroic and started mythic when it came out then started getting bored/decided to play WoW classic so around there,
warm plinth
Oh, nothing really then
They're top 2 for M+, pretty good in the raid as well. And looking to be top in M+ next season
warm plinth
You would shit yourself
chilly brook
Honestly we need a pin that says "If you have to ask what tank you should play next tier in regards to strength then chances are it won't matter what the strongest tank class is"
chilly brook
It's not so much that I expect it to be read
It's so I can be cheeky and post this
undone sun
🤦♂️
warm plinth
Weak
peak lily
i have been slacking on my mechagon. Do i ever want to use null rank 1 in ML over other rank 3 options?
warm plinth
You wouldn't even use Null rank 3 in ML over other rank 3 options typically
peak lily
Not? i see people heart out and swap to null+never surrender after boss nr 2. Might be on only really high tyr
chilly brook
Lul
Never surrender
Hahaghhaa
Hahavahahagagahahahagaghahaga
Gaggaga
Sorry
I cant
peak lily
since you got all your % and last 2 bosses are only magic dmg?
bolster doesnt do anything
undone sun
bolster does do something
chilly brook
Not worth leaving and swapping out
undone sun
it reduces the CD of last stand
peak lily
might be only on +24/25 then
warm plinth
I won't say no one does that, because I'm sure people do
But it doesn't apply to 99.99% of players
peak lily
yeah
they swapped to bloodsport azerite/never surrender/null since they skipped all trash after boss nr 2
warm plinth
Though frankly they're more doing it because they probably have DPS swapping to ST talents and shit anyway so it's not a time loss relative to what they're already losing
chilly brook
Never surrender scales horribly
warm plinth
I would never have the tank swap anything if they're the only one swapping. It's not worth it.
chilly brook
It's literally only valuable in areas where you would still die to the damage coming through IP
Running bloodsport I could see
But tbh the people swapping to never surrender on those keys are also probably the people who just swapped to prot because it was the "meta" last season
And the talent isn't realistically doing much for them
warm plinth
Yeah you're not going to be like oh I'm full HP I'm gonna not press IP right now
Gotta get NS benefit
peak lily
prob since they already went out and it would do more on the last 2 bosses than bolster
chilly brook
Except it doesn't
peak lily
not?
warm plinth
I mean, you get a 30% heal on a 1 min-ish CD with Bolster, which isn't nothing
chilly brook
I would rather have a lower cd on last stand
peak lily
if you dont use null in ml where would one use it?
warm plinth
Raids, for DPS
I could see using it in like...Shrine if you're pugging and don't trust kicks to happen like they're supposed to. But that's just using it as a crutch for having a shit group.
peak lily
or really high keys(not like im gonna do those)? gotta be a reason alot of people are running it in keys
warm plinth
Where are you getting the information that a lot of people are doing it?
chilly brook
Most likely because they forgot to change it or just don't care enough to
peak lily
streams/high rated players.
but as i dont do that high keys im wondering if it applies to us mortals
undone sun
doesn't
warm plinth
Well, I'll say this. I don't think you're gonna scuff a run by running Null in ML, so if you want to, then by all means. But I'll also say that just because high rated people are using it, doesn't mean it's good/the best.
chilly brook
I mean Sco is a "high rated player" and his warrior take was absolute shit in 8.0
undone sun
in X patch
warm plinth
I mean we had a few top rated warriors running leech builds for a while and had everyone thinking that was the go-to pro strat, even though it was nonsense.
chilly brook
I'll let you in on a secret
You can be a top rated player and use suboptimal talents and essences and still smash the content
peak lily
one would think players at that level would min max more
chilly brook
When you swap mains for flavor you lose out on nuance
warm plinth
And they do. but they also try weird shit, or make mistakes like every other mortal human
rapid belfry
Anyone done drunk m+ run as tank? I mean blackout hold kind of tanking
peak lily
what would be the best setup for m+ then? and what would be situational?
warm plinth
Vision major, C&S minor, and then Sphere or Lucid minor. Some people like Aegis for a minor (instead of Sphere/Lucid) but I don't because it's inconsistent.
warm plinth
Personal preference tbh.
I'm honestly not sure which one is numerically better
Necrotic isn't the deciding factor though, because we don't kite during Necrotic very much
And even when we do, it's a quick stun, leap, wait a second, and we're right back in. Don't need an essence to make that possible.
peak lily
is strife that good?
warm plinth
It's a ton of vers
peak lily
"looks at rank 1"
chilly brook
Strife is hella good
peak lily
not gonna be bad next patch so guess im just gonna have to pvp
warm plinth
It's really not that bad tbh. Just find a group to get you to 1600 and then just cap conquest every week. Don't have to do anymore PvP after you get the rating.
chilly brook
Just go arms and find a resto druid buddy and do 2s
warm plinth
Just do chests/assaults
chilly brook
You literally pve everyone to death
chilly brook
Aegis most likely
warm plinth
Yeah, Aegis probably
chilly brook
Or you could just socket crucible
warm plinth
Sounds like you didn't though; you came here asking before you did it lol
Which is the right move
chilly brook
It's good to a point
But what they're doing is also heavily based around their group
And their prior experience
Even a top rated player who for example played blood dk all of legion and season 1 bfa will probably be missing a lot of nuance of their new class
peak lily
was watching naowh today. He was running lucid major on +23/24. So as i said but be hard to tell whats good if you just watch streams
oblique garnet
I mean he was running lucid major and wasnt even utilizing it properly
chilly brook
Lucid major is also used
chilly brook
In fact I'd use lucid major over swapping to never surrender lol
distant crystal
por que no las dos
oblique garnet
I honestly didnt understand his point of running lucid major if you are not utilizing the active properly
Like sure he did pulls on i think it was 23 fh where it was just your normal 2x pack which you can do even without lucid
He could have gotten avatars more often but he was constantly overcapping rage
chilly brook
Running lucid on high ML for example you at least get the defensive value of IP when it matters at a way more effective rate than a swap out to Never Surrender
@oblique garnet reminds me of Uldir when sco forgot that purify was a thing
chilly brook
Dude had like 600% stagger or some ridiculous crap
analog swift
I could see conflict being competitive with a constant 400 more verse than the minor (effectively 5% more damage)
current tier
chilly brook
I mean I socket and forget visions outside of raid anyways
But that's cuz I'm lazy and I like random avatar procs
oblique garnet
🤷 im doing more damage with vop than with cns idk
analog swift
yeah vop is probably more than 5% damage
oblique garnet
But alot of it depends on procs
left hatch
If you don't pay attention to procs and keep overwriting them with manual casts
CnS probs better
oblique garnet
Like my average avatar uptime througout dungeon is 67% atm
chilly brook
Really the only time vop comes out of my major is for crucible on parsing night
chilly brook
Procs aren't hard to pay attention to though
analog swift
minor cns is 400 verse, aegis is what 70 per mob? so 6?
left hatch
^ but you have lazy ppl
analog swift
probably if you're doing 5 on average it wins
chilly brook
Your dude literally just randomly yells and gets big and grey
Plus your timer on your wa shows up
chilly brook
@analog swift yes 6 and above numerically would be more vers
Not by much though at 6
Like 7+ really is where you'd see the difference and I'd argue you wouldn't see it until you giga pull
At the end of the day it all comes down to how you pull as to which comes ahead
warm plinth
I just wanna know why Vision won't let paladins overwrite AW procs but it'll let us overwrite Ava procs 😠
distant crystal
does vision also give them a gimped version of their traits too
like it does w/ bom
warm plinth
I never paid attention tbh. I can check rq
analog swift
@chilly brook well i'd even say with 5 it beats it out in average because it's instant
distant crystal
i mean cns is "instant" too if you didn't drop your stacks
quit afking between pulls imo
warm plinth
Oh RIP, I can't actually check because I don't have the trait
chilly brook
@analog swift depends on if you do a lot of smaller chain pulls or if you do a lot of giga pulls spaced out
Like since I pug a lot I don’t do giga pulls because I don’t know how the group will react
I just grab a pack or two kill it and then as it’s about to die move on
analog swift
i mean i tend to drop combat for pots
not always but if you can kill mobs evenly it's not too hard
distant crystal
you can still drop combat just need to pull quickly after
sick sentinel
why do i see these 430 prot warriors doing isane dmg and pulls and living
but when i do it i get my ass clapped
im hoping essences?
chilly brook
@sick sentinel doubtful, probably CD management and proper mitigation use
sick sentinel
im 423 item lvl and only do 10k single target
but im using anima essence and crucible
sick sentinel
rip
chilly brook
You should probably be doing 3-5k more single target
sick sentinel
FUUUCCCC
chilly brook
Especially with crucible
sick sentinel
should i use crucible major
sick sentinel
no
chilly brook
Are you spamming devastate too much?>
chilly brook
you literally shouldn't be pressing it unless you have nothing else to hit
There's honestly a million different things it could be and without logs it's hard to know
sick sentinel
yea i gotcha
eager tartan
If I want to start 8.3 with a +15 I should complete a +19 the week before?
quiet crane
Yes
eager tartan
Gucci
unkempt seal
doing a 15 wont help u first week of 8.3
they always cap mythic+ loot until mythic raid is out
near ivy
Good thing they are doing a 19 :)
They aren't doing it for loot
They are doing it for the key
For the next weeks weekly chest
unkempt seal
yes, ik. what im saying is having that key dosent do anything for him
near ivy
Yes it does
unkempt seal
unless he is pushing week 1 score
near ivy
It gets him the weekly chest the week after
unkempt seal
the weekly chest wont have 475 loot on 2nd week
unkempt seal
that happens on 3rd week
unkempt seal
ya u can do that
but im sure most people plan on doing their key more than twice over that span of the first 2 weeks to farm corrupted gear
winged grail
What do you guys use to check Threat?
ionic fern
Nothing since it's rarely a factor. But in case you want something there's Omen threatmeter.
Probably a few other addons more but i'm not that familiar with them.
Are you having problems with threat in m+ or raid?
winged grail
M+, skittish that just stole a SotS from me by one-shotting the heal in last boss 😄
left hatch
elvui has an inbuilt threat meter for w/e your target is, and almost any nameplate addon (including evlui's default) have color coding for threat on the nameplates
south yarrow
Details has a built-in threat meter (called TinyThreat). I believe it's enabled by default as a module.
winged grail
I'm using plater, I guess I'll put the color of low threat to something very shiny...
Oh, I'll check Details
sick sentinel
wait what class was the healer that stole you aggro on last boss?
autumn pendant
Disc priest pumps
winged grail
Pally with buff
I was checking DPS meter and he was above me but not above the DPS
But I underestimated the healing done too
marsh silo
is tradewinds better than iron fortress?
surreal oak
what the best talentos for m+?
chilly brook
@unkempt seal I highly doubt they're going to also nerf titan residuum the first week of 8.3 so doing a 15 is also worth it for that
unkempt seal
hope so
chilly brook
And at the very least it doesn't hurt to do it and then drop it to farm later
woven venture
Is null dynamo minor worth using situationally ever?
zenith cosmos
asked it recently but never specified what in, so will ask again sorry, what are thoughts about tank trinkets from next raid from a defensive point of view for the raid?
strong forum
From what I've heard, very meh
But that's defensive trinkets in general
They will never be great cuz 95/100 you won't need defensive trinkets in a raid
warm plinth
That one defensive trinket will be broken in PVP XD
The massive absorb one that increases/extends with magic damage taken
analog zinc
it'll get nerfed hard for pvp my guess is
zenith cosmos
also what traits does prot generally run when raid tanking? switching to tanking for my guild, not sure what warrior traits to run in raid as only ever tanked M+ with it
i personally love the shield bash+reckless flurry combo one, but i guess its not the best for survival in progress
strong forum
Bfi is great defensive value in a raid environment cuz of the scaled up K value
Same goes for IF
zenith cosmos
I mean in M+ i go triple thunderclap triple BoM
do i get one of those and try to grav IF and Bfi?
warm plinth
You shouldn't go triple DC anywhere
You only need one. There are better options than a 2nd or 3rd one
strong forum
Triple DC is big weirdW
zenith cosmos
last time i played M+ properly pushing was last season where it was good because of reaping mainly i guess
zenith cosmos
ok so only one DC for M+ got it, and then 1 of those 1 avatar and then as many bfi/if as possible for raiding?
in terms of defensive traits?
strong forum
3x bom 1x dc 2x X
warm plinth
3x BoM, 1x DC, and then you can get Iron Fortress, BfI, Meticulous Scheming, something like that
strong forum
So same as m+
warm plinth
In raids, if you're going for parsing, that's gonna change it up a bit
zenith cosmos
ok 3 BoM in raids too, cheers guys
warm plinth
But in general you're fine using the same shit
zenith cosmos
cheers guys appreciate it
and since tank trinkets look kinda sucky i just go dps loot spec to try and grab the dps ones i guess?
warm plinth
Wake up on Christmas Eve to Nome being helpful wtf. Weird day.
strong forum
Dafuq
warm plinth
😂
warm plinth
The "DPS" trinkets benefit is defensively as well. So we can usually just kinda go for damage most of the time and it'll be fine.
Like the top M+ trinkets for us are Rezan's Gleaming Eye from AD and Gore-crusted Butcher's Block from WCM
zenith cosmos
is it likely to change with the raids next trinkets?
From 4th+6th boss both look to be potentially good, havent seen how they actually perform
warm plinth
Honestly haven't looked into the trinkets too much
mystic whale
Do we know if any tank trinket in Nyalotha is worth looking forward to ?
warm plinth
I could see Torment being good
And actually the other one maybe too. Very bursty but not bad
zenith cosmos
heres to hoping it scales with avatar+traits
warm plinth
The two tanking trinkets are kinda meh. Lingering Shell might be good for cheesing stuff but I don't think anyone's gonna use it as a regular wear
And it depends on how the reduction works. e.g. if it's dynamic it'll probably be shit. If it will reduce the first hit by 80% no matter what, it'll be better, but still niche
It won't be increased by Avatar. Avatar is a white-listed buff, as is Demo Shout
Which means they have a specific list of abilities that they work on
analog zinc
there's a haste trinket that drops off an early boss
mystic whale
Will I ever be able to get rid of my 425 Diamond ?
analog zinc
it gives low haste but high uptime
mystic whale
nothing in EP even came close
warm plinth
Oh you're right. I didn't look at the "all" section City
analog zinc
astro a 445 edict or urchin should be better
warm plinth
Wat
mystic whale
i only have a 430 edict and 445 urchin
warm plinth
Do you just not have edict or urchin?
mystic whale
im using 425 diamond and urchin
warm plinth
445 urchin is better than 425 diamond
mystic whale
445 urchin
warm plinth
🤔 Edict doesn't suck. Diamond is just really good lol
analog zinc
diamond scales way better with stats
for a class with giga high haste like prot war diamond is mondo good
mystic whale
diamond is still way ahead of all other trinkets in the "healing done", whatever that's worth
analog zinc
its also more versatile cuz it isnt limited to pure magic or phys dmg
mystic whale
what about Lingering Psychic Shell
warm plinth
No but the way Edict works that doesn't matter. Because as long as you're depleting the shield before the 40 seconds is up, it's working at max effectiveness which means it still absorbed the total value of the effect. Doesn't matter whether it absorbed magic or physical as long as it absorbed damage.
That's the one that'll be used for cheesing stuff or not at all
Oh lord
That key though
mystic whale
sigil of warding seems kinda tame and everything else is basically dps trinkets
warm plinth
🙃
mystic whale
maybe dragonscale for the haste ? uh
warm plinth
Yeah dragonscale might be good
strong forum
Stole this from vdh discord, which stole it from brm discord
I assume bottom graph is dmg taken
empty nacelle
stonks
oblique garnet
Edicts beats out diamond overall
broken isle
HPS/corruption resistance?
sick sentinel
Assumes a 7 min fight without any drops on edict, assumes 70% effectiveness on urchin etc etc
lusty grotto
merry christmas guys
sick sentinel
It doesn't consider diamond scaling with haste
broken isle
The more corruption resistance you have the better shell becomes?
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto merry Christmas friend
lusty grotto
ye johnny kaege
sick sentinel
I really dislike this graph
lusty grotto
needs more power bi
analog zinc
@sick sentinel it counts diamond haste scaling
the pic I linked uses 25% haste
you can also plug in vers & crit (for monks)
broken isle
Ra-den trinket :)
analog zinc
by default it uses 27% crit, 9% vers, 25% haste
sick sentinel
Yeah then it completely underestimates diamond
broken isle
I'll let you all tell me the best trinkets and I'll just blindly believe
analog zinc
at 31.5% haste, a diamond is equal to Urchin at 70% effectiveness
at 36% its equal to a edict on a 7m fight with no drops
exotic spoke
Listen
Theres one thing we can all agree on
And that is this:
Ghash said he'd get me a socketed 455 diamond and as of right now I still don't have it and that makes me a sad Riki
oblique garnet
analog zinc
how much haste you guys have
i find myself around like 45% on my war
i wish i had a diamond :<
mental scarab
👀
strong forum
Idk where 1.8k haste ends me up at
analog zinc
a 415 diamond would beat a 445 urchin (at 70% effectiveness) & get close to a 445 edict (7m fight)
strong forum
Thing is
Urchin at 100% only takes 36k dtps
Ykno
And more often than not, you meet that
analog zinc
i agree
strong forum
Especially in m+
analog zinc
which is why its confusing as to why the urchin isn't at 100%
strong forum
Ye.
strong forum
Who gives a shit
Do you have to prove it to someone else?
Doesn't matter, does it
marsh silo
How are warriors with grevious
strong forum
Warri is pretty decent vs it since IP works against it
analog zinc
does it?
strong forum
Yes
warm plinth
IP works against everything
analog zinc
i can't remember if DHs & DK heals are effected by griev
strong forum
They don't
analog zinc
thought so
warm plinth
environmental damage
warm plinth
afaik, yeah
analog zinc
i fucking firey brand a void
warm plinth
And Quaking
analog zinc
& it does nothing
i didn't know that all
i guess war is pretty good for those %dmg affixes
warm plinth
Yeah it's kinda dumb that it's dependent on source
analog zinc
i mean grievous dot doens't really hurt that bad, its just if you can't get topped off it adds up fast
that's my issue with war on griev
strong forum
Pally, yoke
terse dragon
Warrior is bad for grievous
warm plinth
Hey my pally actually feels pretty solid Nome, don't hate
analog zinc
pally is amazing on fort
terse dragon
No way to clear stacks unless you want to waste Last Stand
analog zinc
just health pot^
if you're at an hp range where last stand will remove griev
just tell your healer to swiftmend you
or holy shock you
strong forum
Like I said, it's a healer affix not tank
terse dragon
True
warm plinth
How would Last Stand clear grievous anyway? Your HP goes up but your HP % should stay approximately the same right?
strong forum
Last stand heals
terse dragon
Last stand heeals
strong forum
You don't lose the HP
warm plinth
yeah but it's increasing your max HP at the same time
analog zinc
its mainly a healer affix but i still think there's stuff you can do around it
strong forum
Rally hp you lose again
analog zinc
it wont bring you from 60% to 90%
but it'll bring you to like 85%
80-85% or whatever the math is
81%!
warm plinth
Cryptic
warm plinth
Yeah! You get to replace that in like a month
chilly brook
Lol
warm plinth
👍
sweet summit
Sexy
distant crystal
just anticipating the nerf
warm plinth
RIP those two bulwarks though
distant crystal
yeah kinda want to swap one to longstrider even
warm plinth
I would
distant crystal
idk how bulwarks does so horribly in keys
on paper it seems like it would outheal resounding
warm plinth
Idk it's bugged or some shit
distant crystal
but it's like faaarrr far behind
warm plinth
Doesn't proc when it should
distant crystal
maybe i'll just go longstrider + bury the hatchet
just gotta get dem lasthits
:p
warm plinth
Bury isn't bad. But they still gotta fix muh explosive orbs
sweet summit
Yes please ^
warm plinth
How so
chilly brook
Go in for 3 hours then he tells me to fill out my time card for the whole shift and go home
warm plinth
Niiiice
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He told me to do it
And yesterday he bought us pizza and we all watched Bob's Burgers for like an hour and a half
chilly brook
That's what happens when you prerecord for a week instead of having a live show
Hard to do live during the holidays
warm plinth
Fuck pizza sounds good right now
chilly brook
Can confirm it always sounds good
I can't wait to see what's in my weekly box of disappointment
sick sentinel
Haven’t done a key in two weeks feelsgood
distant crystal
more than you can afford, pal
distant crystal
👀
sick sentinel
Might I introduce you to queen azshara sir
oblique garnet
Hm?
obtuse marsh
What a week, did not play war since S2, i pushed with pug only this week and now im 2k+ io timed 2 19 and full 17
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel are you progressing azshara or?
stoic pilot
i wish i tanked azshara 😦
true plover
5ilv has/mas belt or one with a socket crit/mas?
sick sentinel
Which has the most leech
tame garden
🏃♂️
vapid ibex
does avatar reset on keystart?
chilly brook
Surprisingly enough I enjoyed Episode 9
rustic tinsel
Avatar doesn’t reset no
warm plinth
@vapid ibex The base cooldown of an ability has to be 3 mins or more to reset with the key.
rustic tinsel
CoUnTdOwN fOr MeTa PlEaSe
warm plinth
As a havoc main, I resent that!
rustic tinsel
There’s a dh in my typical key group who feels the need to remind me every key like I won’t do a countdown regardless lul
warm plinth
XD
My group is so used to doing it that they even do it when it makes no sense sometimes, unless we think about it beforehand lol
sick sentinel
I would Intentionally start the key early to ruin ghash’s numbers
warm plinth
I know you would, dick
oblique garnet
@warm plinth i do 1 second pulltimers if you dont meta not my problem 8)
warm plinth
I gotta do Immo>Eye Beam>Meta for the extra 8 seconds though
warm plinth
That's your loss
rustic tinsel
I should do a 1 second pull timer for my dh just to tilt them
Keys are a joke this week anyways so I might as well start ruining a key group on a good foot
stoic pilot
To tilt them even more
Do a full pull timer
And after they meta be like
“Oh shit it’s my key”
Or just say it’s the wrong dungeon. That’s always hilarious
sick sentinel
My personal favorite is start the timer and then start the key with 8 seconds left on the timer
mossy crater
What would u recommend for a new prot. Icy veins or wowhead to get a grasp of rotation and nuance
sick sentinel
Icy veins
frosty spindle
@mossy crater I literally started Tanking yesterday, first time tanking and first time playing a Warrriro. I used my Shadowlands Boost on it. I used Icy Veins, with that Marcelian Prot Guide in YouTube. A few hours later I was tanking a 10 key at 400 iLev and Skittish with ease. Those two guides are all you need.
Good luck. 🙏🏾
rapid belfry
@frosty spindle I feel the same, but I am 410 now after a week, and still didn't get my 10 key cause lazy I guess. But it really depends who you get in you group. Bottom line is tanking m+ is amazing for gearing up your dps/tank specc.
I actually feel tanking is less stressing then dps at around 10 keys. I love to drink when playing wow
exotic spoke
Icy veins is the go to
frosty spindle
Yeah. I’ve primarily been a DPS, and even as a Rogue, yeah it’s easy to get in groups, it’s just waiting for a tank for 30min is tough and turns me off from pushing. So it’s extremely nice to be able to get into pretty much any group you queue for
sick sentinel
Riki started tanking yesterday too his advice is gospel when it comes to getting started guides
frosty spindle
Is there anything we can do to help with Greivous.?
exotic spoke
Health pot, victory rush, not take as much damage, dwarf
frosty spindle
Haven’t done keys yet today, but just before hand
Okay thanks
I assume Spell reflect or any defensives won’t help.?
distant crystal
it's a bleed
undone sun
Other defensives will
distant crystal
so IP/wall is it
undone sun
Sr won't
distant crystal
i guess last stand sorta
distant crystal
if you LS and then click it off
physical edict and urchin
should be nice this week tho
sick sentinel
I am urchin
chilly brook
@sick sentinel no you're Hawgz
tame garden
@sick sentinel
undone sun
who
distant crystal
🦉
wooden radish
sick sentinel
Merry chrima
left hatch
yes
vapid ibex
ty, merry xmas
left hatch
np, you too (:
frosty spindle
Anyone a Nelf.?
orchid sand
[Aegis of the Deep]
[Anima of Life and Death]
[Nullification Dynamo]
[The Crucible of Flame]
[Worldvein Resonance] all my essence on ilvl 435.
what major minors do guys recommend for open world?
and for +8 and higher?>
I mwas a nelf/orc sometimes in legion m+ https://www.wowhead.com/item=113082/precious-bloodthorn-loop
left hatch
I'd recommend you go and do a run of Motherload to get Vision
cause the only major you currenlty have of any value is Crucible, but only for ST (raid) dps
and for minors eh... your performance is gonna suffer greatly without getting at least one of hte pvp essences
Aegis is ok, and Null is.... meh
the rest are basically worthless
orchid sand
Thank you Morrison.
sweet summit
Ty clarify, VoP is from mechagon, not motherload.
Aegis is a decent minor, you can use that for now. Id also try to get my hands on lucid, from najz follower dailies.
And sphere, winning 1 bg, 1 epic bg and 1 pvp island. Both lucid and sphere are amazing minors and the rank 1s are not that far behing their rank 3s, power-wise.
You should also get 1k rating in arena if possible, CnS is very strong, both as a major and minor
left hatch
at this point I would wait till s4 to bother
unless you get ... 2100 i think you won't get it in time
for CnS
and if you're someone that avoids/hates pvp itll be super demoralizing to have to grind 1k+ twice :/
but yah TLDR Majors for Vision, CoF, and arguably CnS
and minors of CnS, Sphere, Lucid, and aegis will be what you use in almost any situation
sweet summit
For m+, ye.
If you plan to raid, id pick up Null r3 too
left hatch
^
sweet summit
Afaik null is still going to be strong in nyalotha
left hatch
given how much magic damage there is and the 3rd minor slot itll probably remain an autolock if nothing else for the ~2k dps it gives you
sweet summit
Probably, yup
orchid sand
I thought i copied MolD onto clipboard for the paste But didnt. I have the R3
and R1 Shere,R1Ripple
see i just today got the r3 null
sweet summit
How's Vision of Perfection, you got that?
orchid sand
Not yet
sweet summit
Do a quick mechagon run and you will have it, 100% drop chance from king mechagon
left hatch
I'd strongly recommend making it your top priority. especially because its getting even stronger in 8.3
this is stricly feelycrafting, but it MIGHT even overcome CoF as ST major, because CoF only scales with crit/verse/ and neck ilvl
where VoP scales with everything
sweet summit
Dunno about that one, but you never know
orchid sand
my tank w/these also has good az/traits bomx3 dcc1 msx1 have had good luck
sweet summit
Nice!
orchid sand
but on my main no such luck
left hatch
like i said strictly feelycrafting, itll largely depend on how the neck lvl scales the trait
and then other interactions like stacking the haste corruption proc/flame weapon and if Avatar increases that damage
sweet summit
Big
orchid sand
"and then other interactions like stacking the haste corruption proc/flame weapon and if Avatar increases that damage" is that interactions from VoP?
Im going to go ask some guildies agin to Op, mech
left hatch
yah CoF wo'nt get any benefit from any of that
while haste procs while in Vop lead to more thunderclaps and stuff
sweet summit
Avatar increases damage done and vop increases avatar uptime
left hatch
plus more haste leads to higher ava uptime
orchid sand
I came back after long break few months ago and most of my mates werent to excited about running it. they already mythic geared
left hatch
lul i hope they're ready to spam it first few weeks of raid
those rings from a 15 gonna be VERY stronk
orchid sand
I have a good understanding of
i lost my last BoM on alt warrior when i rolled a new430 helm
but i stacked a few IF dcx1 BFIx1 and BS
orchid sand
just playing alot more defensively
left hatch
but you get way more def value outta IF, BFI or BoM
sweet summit
The other option is probably better than BS defensively tbh
orchid sand
other warrior w/good traits i just TC
left hatch
even if its just a flat stat proc like swirling sands
orchid sand
lol
sharp night
if you're mythic geared it literally takes like 40 minutes to do a full hardmode clear of mecha
and if they can't bother to help why are you friends with them
sweet summit
If you are lucky you can find one halfway done in lfg
orchid sand
Ty brothers
mortal brook
i just want the null bubble visual to not be blinking on and off my character for the next year D:
brittle owl
tough shit
sick sentinel
Yeah Steve quit complaining it’s immersive
sick sentinel
Merr crimi
brittle owl
merry christmas ❤️
snow pagoda
Heyho, im not sure what stats should i prefer on my tank for m+. some guides say ilvl > haste > vers... my stats on max ilvl vs max haste look like this:
nimble mauve
what is the difference between ilvl in both these builds?
perhaps you should just use a topgear sim for dps and pick what is the best
do ST and multiple targets
snow pagoda
Ok, did a 3 Combination. Mix is 445, Max ilvl is 447 and max haste is 442.
Prefer Mix for m+ right now
@nimble mauve will sim thx
nimble mauve
np, since the ilvl difference is like 5 ilvl, i would really look for what gets you the most dps. ive noticed that as i have gained more haste over time, im beginning to see crit increase in value a bit more. even more so if im using sphere of suppression minor, which gives a decent amount of haste.
sick sentinel
You only drop 5 ilvls for an item if it's cloak/ring/wrist
Do you can get haste/crit/both
Like right now "mix" is pretty good
But "max haste" should be never an option
left hatch
i mean 5 ilvls overall is pretty big
nimble mauve
a topgear would probably narrow it down to about 2
nimble mauve
I love me some crit
vapid ibex
what mode do u use to sim for m+ anyways? hectic add? patchwerk or the beta
dungeon slice**
left hatch
either works but isn't a 100% thing
dungeon slice alternates between a few diff sized pulls and then longer st 'boss' pulls
hectic add cleave is just high mobility with ... 3-5 (i think it alternates throughout but not 100% on that) targets
but yah again its not super super accurate, just a gist
ruby nexus
How many ilvls is it worth considering to drop for a socket on ring/cloak/boots/belt?
left hatch
cloak, boots and belt is ~5
ring i think it can go upwards of 15
the secondary scaling is shit and no primary
so you get the same amount of secondary outta a socket as you do 15-20 ilvls on aring
you lose out on a bunch of stamina tho, so for def purposes id play it safe around 10 ilvls before replacing
ruby nexus
Ok thanks
icy socket
cobalt bay
Hey, i see a lot of top Prot warrior using CnS instead of VoP now ???
tired hawk
Hello everyone, I would like to know : is it worth stacking "Resounding Protection" or better to get one and 2 other different ?
strong forum
Resounding is fine
Not bad
But warri doesn't focus on the tier 4 traits
They're just a nice to have
limpid pawn
Other than ashvane chest which I have, which other head or shoulders have BoM and MS?
That sentence could have been written better lol, just asking about head and shoulders because I’m assuming ashvanes is BiS for mythic plus
distant crystal
kraken shell pauldrons
warm plinth
Wowhead has a really neat tool if you're looking for traits called the Azerite Power Finder. You can check multiple traits and it'll tell you what pieces have both traits (on separate rings) and list them with drop locations
tame garden
You're a really neat tool @warm plinth
warm plinth
Thank you
distant crystal
man yesterday was azerite vendor day