protection

[tame garden]

Trying to snipe tank spot for 8.3

[brittle owl]

should not play bear then

[tame garden]

😭

[exotic spoke]

Hence the prot 🙂

[tame garden]

Stop the bear hate

Bear is good

[exotic spoke]

^^

[brittle owl]

bear is good bench cover yes

[tame garden]

😭

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[brittle owl]

also looks good on the floor

[tame garden]

I am immortal

[brittle owl]

being dead is infinite mitigation amirite

[tame garden]

:(

[exotic spoke]

Almost timed siege 20 last night

[tame garden]

Oh snap

Tyr siege is a marathon

[brittle owl]

last boss tyr siege is a marathon*

such a bs boss

[exotic spoke]

Got to the last boss with 7 minutes left. Wiped two times and finished about 5:19 over. Pulled last boss (on the kill) at 1:00 over or so

[brittle owl]

also second boss is buggy af recently

had 2 runs like two days ago, both if them first canoneer wave didn't drop the cannon

[exotic spoke]

Then went in and scuffed FH. But practiced first boss and feel good about it

[tame garden]

I want to push this weekend but my healer is busy with holiday stuff

[exotic spoke]

Rip

[graceful sundial]

hey guys! any blockable/reflectable sheet for Nyalotha? or is it too early to ask for one? :v

[strong forum]

given that nobody has had sufficient time to access and trial and error the raid

i would give that a fat 🇳 🇴

[oblique garnet]

Didnt test all the bosses so im not sure

There were few reflectable abilities in the raid

[onyx vessel]

Trial and error that shit in heroic when it comes out

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I heard about one of them 🙂

[onyx vessel]

Riki you ever sleep

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

Lol

[onyx vessel]

Lies

[exotic spoke]

Went to sleep around 230 - 3 am this morning and then up at 9 am for work

[onyx vessel]

Mind you ive been up since 5pm yesturday

Lol

[exotic spoke]

Why would you do that?

[onyx vessel]

Work

[exotic spoke]

Rip

[onyx vessel]

Got hone started watching new witcher series on netflix

4 ep in cant stop

Oof

Sadly now rl shit to do

[exotic spoke]

I watched jack ryan in one night then called out of work the next day because I made a poor life decision (and I had to use some time or I was going to lose it)

[onyx vessel]

Then sleep

Sleep 12-9 go to work ez pz

Lol

[exotic spoke]

Was getting zaqul down to ~30% or so pretty consistently last night.

I saw some nice inkpod crits 🙂

[wooden radish]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-eyeroll-obama-whatever-gif-7488196

[shut summit]

@graceful sundial same spreadsheet has been updated, is most of what I've found but very well could be more/ stuff get changed

[peak lily]

what do you guys think about jes howler? got it at 445. At what ilevel would you swap it out for bloodthirsty urchin?

thinking m+

[graceful sundial]

@shut summit ty!

[strong forum]

jes howler i personally dont like at all

i would use a 430 urchin over 455+s jes howler

[analog zinc]

i run jes howler because its on the same CD as my mag'har racial

i'm running 440 howler & 425 notorius glad insignia

[strong forum]

wtf

thats scuffed af

[analog zinc]

wanna see my alternatives

[strong forum]

I'd rather not

[analog zinc]

2 of them were gotten last season

[strong forum]

Fucking rip

[analog zinc]

oh i also have a 445 big red button

anyway, does anyone know what the function is for mastery? I want to know how much mastery you'd need if you wanted 100% crit block chance

[strong forum]

With bom or without bom

[analog zinc]

i just wanna know the flat number

[strong forum]

Prolly like 3k+

[clever bronze]

Which shield is better for tanking and/or DPS? Does the side effect outweigh the +5 ilv?
https://i.imgur.com/Y5w5mO8.png

[analog zinc]

triple bom gives 2025 mastery

that mechagon shield sucks

ultra low durability too

[strong forum]

Ilvl

Always ilvl

[clever bronze]

Oh FFS, Blizz.

Thanks, fellas.

[strong forum]

You want the block value

That's the only stat you want

[clever bronze]

Huh. An extra 1% DR.

I really don't understand the relative value of stats anymore.

Thanks again.

[strong forum]

on such low level shields its more than 1%

[random urchin]

Always ilvl for shield, more armor, block and stam is always preferable

[strong forum]

and the higher DR is, the move value it actually has

[analog zinc]

696 mastery = 26.5% - 2046 = 54.6% - 2721 = 68.7%

[strong forum]

okay so you need actually like 4k mastery

[clever bronze]

I was referring to the block value.

[strong forum]

yup

[clever bronze]

It went up slightly less than 1%.

According to my character sheet.

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

[random urchin]

Still, more mitigation

[clever bronze]

Yeah, I was just saying.

I didn't realize it was that much. I didn't say it was low or high.

Sorry, I know that was misleading.

[analog zinc]

0 mastery = 12% - 696 = 26.5% - 2046 = 54.6% - 2721 = 68.7%

[strong forum]

so theres a hard DR

on mastery

[random urchin]

Makes sense

[clever bronze]

I don't understand.

[strong forum]

making 100% crit block chance almost unreachable

[random urchin]

Letting our mastery scale up without check would be silly

[strong forum]

also those -

should be +

but hey 🙂

or |

to make it more comprehensible

[analog zinc]

no

there isn't any diminishing returns

at least not any signifigant ones

if I remove 12% from all the numbers, each % of mastery is worth 48 mastery

[random urchin]

Math says there is DR

[strong forum]

ya no im stupid

i somehow thought

the last jump was 12%

[analog zinc]

meaning the mastery cap is 4224

[strong forum]

but ye, you need like 4k mastery

its not a cap perse

it just caps out crit block chance

[slim pier]

is that hard

[strong forum]

4k? yes

[analog zinc]

2200 mastery means you will have 100% crit block chance during avatar with triple bom

bom will gain more stats next tier, & having high mastery will be more reachable, its technically possible to hit 100 crit block during avatar right now by stacking mastery, but you'll lose so much haste doing so

[strong forum]

you lose way more than you gain yes

[slim pier]

I don't understand how block works

Never did

[strong forum]

well

its quite simple

[slim pier]

but i never tanked

[strong forum]

if block true then reduce incoming dmg by X

if block true and critblock true then reduce incoming dmg by 2*X(capped at 85%)

[slim pier]

I see

[analog zinc]

what scales our block anyway? Just the shield? Or does strength scale it too

[strong forum]

only block value

and K value

[warm plinth]

The % of damage you block is only your shield and some azerite traits (BFI/IF)

[chilly brook]

Hence why block is super valuable

[slim pier]

some tanks don't have block right

like mw

brew

[warm plinth]

Warrior and paladin are the only block tanks

[strong forum]

only warrior and paladin have block

[warm plinth]

We're the only tank that can guarantee a block

[slim pier]

so the only shield ones

[strong forum]

yes

[analog zinc]

bears can block

but only NPCS

😄

[brittle owl]

blocking with a weapon is called a parry

bears block with their face

[chilly brook]

I mean

[warm plinth]

Every other tank does both dodge and parry except maybe bears? I can't remember if they can parry or not.

[strong forum]

bear is dodge

[brittle owl]

bears parry progress

[chilly brook]

You don't expect a brewmaster to block with his beer do you?

[slim pier]

how can that big beefy thicc bear dodge

[analog zinc]

everyone has 3% dodge

monks & bears are pure dodge

[brittle owl]

bears dodge a raid spot wdym

[analog zinc]

DHs are part dodge part parry

[warm plinth]

Oof

[analog zinc]

all 3 plate are parry

[strong forum]

leather tank is dodge
plate is parry

DH is part parry part dodge

[warm plinth]

You're both

[brittle owl]

no u

[strong forum]

yes i am

[warm plinth]

Your mom is both

[analog zinc]

but every single class has baseline 3% dodge

[strong forum]

how'd you figure

[warm plinth]

Wrekt

[analog zinc]

including dps

[brittle owl]

Ooooooh

OOOOOOH

gotteem

[strong forum]

i dont think we do

[warm plinth]

I'm so fuckin stupid

[brittle owl]

your words not ours

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

Even my lil baby level 20 war has 3% dodge 😂

[strong forum]

huh

never noticed

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't that be silly if we couldn't dodge Nome, considering Winds of War exists?

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

winds of looooOOOOOO-

[warm plinth]

😂

[gaunt dawn]

3% base is negated by each level above you granting the mob 1% expertise

Bosses are 3 levels above

So the dodge is gone 🦀

[strong forum]

see

i was right all along

[gaunt dawn]

Everyone can dodge

Not everyone can parry

[analog zinc]

huh

so that's how that works

interesting thank you panthea

[analog zinc]

poggers

[brittle owl]

cape

[analog zinc]

i think its my first max titanforge socket on any char of the tier

[brittle owl]

git gud

[flint wraith]

Wep from za'qul

worth?

[random urchin]

Yes

Dreams end is stronk

[analog zinc]

2nd best dps weapon

behind servent splitter

but it has secondaries

[brittle owl]

dream's end sims better than splitter for prot warrs i think

could be wrong

[oblique garnet]

You are correct

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

my average raid experience

scaringly accurate

[chilly brook]

I guess we're calling it for the tier on progression with the holidays and 8.3 coming out right after 🙁

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=301854/weekly-mythic-cache-guarantees-a-corrupted-piece-except-on-trinkets-in-patch-8-3?webhook

thats fucking sick

holy shit

8.3 getting better and better

[random urchin]

Holy shit indeed

Now we just have to hope it rolls a good corruption instead of hoping it corrupts at all

[strong forum]

guaranteed corruption > rng corruption

[warm plinth]

That’s awesome

[warm plinth]

Lol did you get hit by HM blast after he died?

[analog zinc]

we got hit by it AS he died

like on the same game tick

[strong forum]

thats some sco level UI my man

[analog zinc]

yea i based my ui on sco's

[analog zinc]

i use healer raid frames no matter my spec

can't stand having them all off to the side like that

[strong forum]

rip

[analog zinc]

are they making rank 4 vision account bound next patch

i know they're doing that to some of them

[strong forum]

only lucid

[analog zinc]

like lucid rank 4 is gonna be account bound

hmm

i feel like they might make more of them account boudn

[strong forum]

good if they do

but i doubt

since lucid is the only one that truly locked behind timegate

[analog zinc]

i mean what does time gating have anything to do with it

rank 4s are difficult to get

[strong forum]

lucid r4 is 100% 70-90 days of effort

you cant get it any faster

the only essence

all the other essences are either rng drops

or some grind

but lucid is 100% timegated, that you cant speed up by playing more

[distant crystal]

just spam chests for deployment orders

ez claps

[bronze mesa]

If i ran 3 reckless flurry traits and talented devastator is that better than booming voice for M+?

[distant crystal]

nope

[bronze mesa]

didnt think so, just sounded kind of fun

[distant crystal]

that's the meme single target build

it's awful for keys tho

[bronze mesa]

rip o well, ty ty

[uncut stone]

So I’m the guide for m plus it says either vision or lucid for keys, is their one that actually out preforms the other or is it down to preference?

[distant crystal]

vision major

is da way

lucid minor is dec, but there's better options

vision sphere cns is prob the best

[warm plinth]

@outer dew is the best ❤️

[uncut stone]

Alrighty cool thank you, I gotta look into those then

[outer dew]

D'aww, my only achievement I need in my life is to be with ghashie-poo

😍

[sharp night]

so looking at the chart from that m+ corruption cache thing, i wonder if they were just unlucky or if the searing flames proc can't actually roll on items

[strong forum]

maybe its class restricted

[sharp night]

hmm

would be strange if that's the only class restricted one since all the others seem to have rolled on at least one piece

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️ ptr

[sharp night]

oh hm wait looking through the corrupted weapons list, there's a few others that have procs that can't roll on other items i guess

and all of them have only one "tier"

[peak lily]

Do you guys have edicts set on one type of damage or change it activly in m+? Just got it so not used to it

[strong forum]

you only change edict to magic on the last 2 bosses of ML

otherwise always physical

cuz you lose your fanaticism stacks if you switch the type

[chilly brook]

@strong forum a rep grind where you can only get rep by dailies is still a time gate and so is a lockout based essence like VoP

Regardless of if you can cut it down

[left hatch]

I think the only essences that do'nt have some sort of hard time gate is CoF snd Sphere

[near ivy]

Nullification Dynamo

[left hatch]

theres a finite amount of sources for rep each day

even with a contract

[near ivy]

spare parts ---> rep tokens

infinite farm

[left hatch]

which you dont have access to the rep tokens til... rev or exalted

[warm plinth]

Rep tokens are from the first paragon you loot

So exalted + 10k

[near ivy]

so hard time gated on first char

[left hatch]

exactly

[near ivy]

but not on second

fair enough

[left hatch]

still would be nice to make more account wide

first season i havn't maintained at least 2/3 tanks solely because of the essence grind

[near ivy]

i would 100% be playing WW + enhancement as alts at a MINIMUM rn if it werent for grinding essences

instead im playing ffxiv xd

[exotic spoke]

Sup qtpies

[brittle owl]

omw to airport

[chilly brook]

Dawwwwwww

[brittle owl]

hbu

[distant crystal]

hibachi

caught the egg first try

[undone sun]

👏

[analog zinc]

@uncut stone Vision major is the best gp essence, Conflict major is good if you want to kite, but the root doesn't activate if the mobs are slowed by >30%. Lucid major makes you a monster every 2m but that's about it
Lucid minor will just cause you to waste a ton of ignore pains in lower level content, you can start using it when you see that your IPs are consistantly being fully consumed

[strong forum]

@chilly brook that's exactly what I said, thank you for repeating me

[onyx vessel]

Cns major is good this man is drunk

[brittle owl]

cns major isn't just for 'kiting'

and you won't really use it for the kiting bit, you'll use it to control tide emissaries and abuse the yuge amounts of vers

[onyx vessel]

Ill have to finally get r2 cns

[sick sentinel]

After months of thinking I realised what blizzars should do

They should give us blur

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[mental scarab]

👀

No the stomp barbs have in D3🤴🏻

Or Ancient spear

That be bonkers

[modern brook]

What if we could place our shield down for los?????

[mental scarab]

And block all attacks

Magic

And shit

Warriors best tank in the game

Avoid all boss mechanics

👀

[exotic spoke]

Morning Protection QTPies

[sick sentinel]

Morning @exotic spoke

It's 2 pm but okay

[exotic spoke]

Hi over there in EU land

Also, it’s like 745 am. Wayyyyyyy to early on a Saturday

[glad ridge]

Getting ready for mechagon any suggestions I played on my pally and shit hits hard af

[limber pagoda]

Should I sim for protection warrior? Or should I just go base on haste mastery?

[patent bear]

Yesterday i did ashvane with my warrior and it drops the tanks trinket and half of the fucking raid rolled for it

Why the fuck is the ppl so stupid

And a fucking rogue took it

[exotic spoke]

@glad ridge if you haven’t done it before and are a little under geared just take your time. It’s not an m+. Keep a steady pace and make sure you get all three of the robot buffs from the upper part of the dungeon

[strong forum]

@limber pagoda haste > crit for m+
Haste > versa for raid

Ilvl > everything

[exotic spoke]

@limber pagoda you can sim for dps, a bunch of us do sim for raids to help maximize our dps and contribute more

You can’t sim survivability though. What Nome said for priority for survivability

@patent bear people want that trinket for pvp and potentially for m+. It’s really strong for pvp

[strong forum]

^

[limber pagoda]

Kool thank!!

[sick sentinel]

does anyone have a weakaura that says good brew or bad brew in the chat for the 2nd boss in freehold?

[strong forum]

Just get bfa dungeons weak aura pack

Everything to know is included there

[limber pagoda]

so i have 430 Urchin and edicts and a 445 sporepods should i use the sporepods?

[onyx vessel]

Sporepods is trash

Dont use it

[limber pagoda]

ok

[gaunt dawn]

Keep sporepods

Its insane for pvp

Urchin and sporepods is BiS for pvp

[sage path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJJfyjSUxdneEpfwsARsgE?

Why does Force Multiplier outsim Quick Nav?

[slim pier]

because it's better for you?

[strong forum]

Because its better

🤷‍♂️

[exotic spoke]

@sage path because sims are for dps and force multiplier is better for you for dps

[sick sentinel]

What's the best way to build for Tanking? I know from building my Warrior that You can kind of do an Offensive tank build and a more defensive one. Which would be best for Optimum tanking?

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel depends on the content. Check the pins (which will point you to the Icy Veins guide)

That’s honestly the best way to start as a new prot tank a being more defensively oriented to help you while you learn

[analog zinc]

what if warriors had Holy Shield

[livid kite]

@sick sentinel
Level 15: Into the Fray
Level 30: Crackling Thunder
Level 45: Unstoppable Force
Level 60: Bolster
Level 75: Storm Bolt
Level 90: Booming Voice
Level 100: Anger Management

I've had this since I dinged 100. Works for everything imo.

[analog zinc]

@sick sentinel i dont think wars have any more defensive talents they can run outside of the standard build listed^

[sick sentinel]

@exotic spoke I've tanked EP Heroic, and am Currently 440, I've been tanking awhile and I can handle 12 M+s with my current build, but I kind of looking for tweaking to better improve my tanking?

[analog zinc]

i know there's some alternative talents you cna pick to eek out a bit more ST damaage

at that level gear & talents shouldn't make any difference, just practice & you can go do content much harder than what you're doing right now

[exotic spoke]

What’s your current build?

[livid kite]

@sick sentinel Stick with your build (unless it deviates a lot from the one I linked), and focus more on your gameplay. Not saying you are doing anything wrong, play more challenging content: profit

[sick sentinel]

I feel like I choose the wrong Azerite Traits in my gear when I upgrade. I have powerweight and Mr. Robot and SIm stuf.

[exotic spoke]

Also, I’d go full offensive for raid and full defensive for m+. I go full defensive and just pull bigger

[analog zinc]

for Azerite, prot wars idealy have 1 Deafening Crash, 3 Bastion of Might

[exotic spoke]

Also, crackling thunder and storm bolt are preference picks. I run safeguard and rumbling earth for a lot of things personally

[analog zinc]

the rest doesn't matter although stuff like Meticulous schemeing, overwhelming power, & the heal inner traits are good

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel simming is only good for dps. It doesn’t take survivability into consideration.

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rm5ntPH28FPd3ngzwXaZSB

That's kind of what I am at right now.

[analog zinc]

woa that's some low dps

[exotic spoke]

What do you have to replace lingering sporepods

That’s the first thing.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I I feel that, but I Can hold aggro in everything I've ran.

[analog zinc]

you're simming for damage, get rid of lingering sporepods & urchin, vop major is good for aoe but isn't that great on single target dps, AUG minor does nothing, lucid minor isn't that good

[sick sentinel]

I have a 445 Vial I got.

[exotic spoke]

Vial

Use vial

[analog zinc]

you have zero Deafening Crash

deafening crash is your highest impact dps & survivability 1 of trait, the extras slightly increase your aoe dps but 1 of is mandatory

[exotic spoke]

Cthraxxi has DC

You need to take DC

[sick sentinel]

I thought I had it in one of my gears but I guess I don't. O.O Wow, So should I Replace THe Urchin with THE Vial of Animated blood, or the Spore?

[analog zinc]

both

[exotic spoke]

No

Sporepods with the vial first

[analog zinc]

defensively urchin is very good but if you're simming for damage it doesn't do anything
sporepods does do damage but it fucking sucks at it, just get rid of sporepod

sporepod is a trap, its only good for pvp

[sick sentinel]

Roger that, Thank you everyone. Also Should I get ride of Azerite Powerweights? Because It doesn't show anything good for DC, and that's why I probably skipped it like a scrub. Because I was looking at numbers and not the Trait itself.

[exotic spoke]

I’d start and say focus on survivability. Get that right. Think about why you’re doing what you’re doing and then worry about damage later

There’s probably some fundamentals that need to be improved since you don’t have some good synergies

Yes

Absolutely

Get rid of that

[analog zinc]

i wouldn't bother with any kind of "azerite power weights"

[exotic spoke]

Go for three BoM, one DC

And pick two

[strong forum]

WTF kind of sim is this

@sick sentinel dont use quicksim

thats also a huge factor

[sick sentinel]

Hahah, I should've come here first. Instead of going where I did for advice. Failwarriorfaceplant

[exotic spoke]

Where did you go?

[sick sentinel]

@gaunt dawn red healing punchcard>urchin for pvp AFAIK

[strong forum]

also you can keep your Cthraxxi shoulders as is, just change your engi helmet from BS to DC

[exotic spoke]

That would work too. I’m not an engineer so I didn’t know what it had

[sick sentinel]

@sage path because force multiplier is the best enchant and you should use nothing else

[exotic spoke]

Hi @sick sentinel I miss you

[sick sentinel]

Unless if you're using 0 bom, in which case wtf are you even doing

@sick sentinel don't use vial unless if you're insanely good at the game

You fucking idiots need to learn your place before giving wrong advice

I don't have as much time anymore

[analog zinc]

i mean if his 3 options are vial, urchin & sporepods i'd run vial over pods

[sick sentinel]

I don't think I'm Horrible at the game, Just Haven't been able to keep with everything. Life has taken me over. That IRL RPG has gotten real intense. lol 😛 But I got it. Thank for everything just to this point guys.

You don't get it

I didn't say "not bad"

I said REALLY GOOD

[strong forum]

kaege is in a great mood i see

[analog zinc]

wym?

[sick sentinel]

And I doubt you have absolutely nothing else

[analog zinc]

whats so hard to use about vial?

[sick sentinel]

90% of people misuse vial

[strong forum]

if you dont use Vial perfectly it has only very little value is what hes saying

[sick sentinel]

So Blightborne over Callous?

[strong forum]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Yes

Figured as much.

[strong forum]

however, id say even a "to avatar macro'd vial" is better than sporepods

assuming hes not doing 20s

[sick sentinel]

Yeah because sporepods is garbage in pve

"Literal garbage"

There's a reason we have it named like that

Well I dropped it. I felt like I needed to get rid of them, but I wasn't sure.

[strong forum]

the thing about sporepods is

in a scenario where you have alot of healer attention, its incredibly unreliable / useless

[sick sentinel]

It's garbage? I got it. xD

[strong forum]

since it can proc like 100 times when youre full HP

but when you can acutally make use of the heal, it doesnt proc

cuz its RNG

[sick sentinel]

It makes sense. Though. IF you already have heals focused on you, it's pointless to have something that is going to heal you, when you could be using that slot for something more useful.

[strong forum]

pretty much

thats why urchin and edict are so good

urchin is smart heals, only heals when you can actually be healed

well 'good'

[sick sentinel]

Okay I've changed my build a little, and did the whole swap trinks. Hopefully It'll help me be better.

[analog zinc]

so, how do you use vial? It doesn't sound hard to use, just use it when avatar & demo is up no?

[sick sentinel]

Most people macro it

Which renders it useless

[strong forum]

since its only "strong" for 6 seconds

[sick sentinel]

I partially can kind of see it as a time to use it when you have to use it in stressful situations? I don't know the Ratio anymore but since Increases your parry, wouldn't it be help ful for that extra "Don't Touch me" area?

[strong forum]

na

[analog zinc]

no

that's too situational

[strong forum]

you use it after Avatar and Demo

[sick sentinel]

You avatar, clap, demo shout, and then use it

Also slam whenever you have it

[analog zinc]

ok so macro it into demo!

[sick sentinel]

No

[strong forum]

:think:

[analog zinc]

:p

[sick sentinel]

Bad

[strong forum]

macro it to slam :pepeball:

[sick sentinel]

So All I have to do in Add that into my rotation. Because I already do that in that order. Just no Vial.

Because you might demo and not avatar sometimes

No you macro it to taunt! lol

Imagine using trinkets that require brain activity to use

equips rezans

That's true I keep Demo on CD

Yeap

[strong forum]

bruh, im using 2 on use on my WL... that shit hurts

[sick sentinel]

Use rezans

And block

Or alchemy trinket

And you're cool

[strong forum]

2 on use in m+ is so many fucking brain gymnastics

not fun

[sick sentinel]

2 on use is fucking retarded

Do you win the brain Olympic s

[analog zinc]

i'm using jes howler because my trinkets fucking suck

[sick sentinel]

Why would anybody do this

Oh no! Brain activity in WoW? I thought Blizzard got rid of that for all the whiney "it's to hard" people.

[analog zinc]

also it syncs up well with mag'har racial

[strong forum]

ashvane trinket and shiver venom

ykno

[livid kite]

@sick sentinel 455 Howler with socket here. I kinda like it.

[sick sentinel]

Jes is good

Vial is the ONLY bad on-use trinket

Why not just equip stat stick and hit boss with it

[strong forum]

its good, i personally just hate the 2min CD since it doesnt line up with shit, and i dont see a good situation where to use it outside of cds

[sick sentinel]

But passive ones are gokd aswell

@strong forum with 40 sec avatars it lines up

[strong forum]

or with lucid major

😏

[analog zinc]

?

[sick sentinel]

Lucid minor

Is really good

@analog zinc YIKES

It's so much damage at 445

[analog zinc]

someone said something about all on-uses being good except vial?

[strong forum]

the magical word, yet again

split

FUCKING WHY

why not let us have fun trinkets

without this split bullshit

[sick sentinel]

@strong forum It's 15% more damage per target hit

But new raid trinkets are not split

@analog zinc It's easy

Vial lasts for 6 seconds

Others last for a lot longer

[oblique garnet]

[analog zinc]

btw do you prio tclap over shield slam on single target during avatar

[sick sentinel]

No

Ew gross

Slam>clap for overal dps

[analog zinc]

cool

[sick sentinel]

Press SS when button lights up

Clap>slam for burst dps (but lower at the end of the dungeon)

Am dps now

I guess you can prio clap at like 15 targets or whatever

[analog zinc]

wait what

isn't clap better than slam on 2 target

[strong forum]

no

[sick sentinel]

No

You want rage generation

More demo uptime

More avatar uptime

[analog zinc]

interesting

i didn't think the rage gen would be that big a dps inc

[sick sentinel]

It is

Imagine getting one more entire avatar

And it's not one, it's more than one

[strong forum]

prot war is all about rage gen

and spending rage

[analog zinc]

so would lucid minor be good for dps then?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[strong forum]

yes

[sick sentinel]

More rage = more rage to spend = more avatar/demo = more damage = repeat cycle

[analog zinc]

i've been using vop major, strife & cruc minors

[strong forum]

rage = rage

[analog zinc]

i figured lucid wouldn't be great cuz it'd just end up wasting so many IPs

[sick sentinel]

You go vop major, cns/sphere minor and lucid minor

Depends how much haste you have on gear

How do I enchant for rage

[strong forum]

haste

[sick sentinel]

Fuck you @sick sentinel

🏃

[analog zinc]

1700, 25% haste without into the fray

[sick sentinel]

Then go cns

I have 1200 haste on gear so I go sphere

[analog zinc]

cns & lucid?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[analog zinc]

cool thanks

[strong forum]

dont forget lucid also has about 30% uptime on 380 vers

which is also very good

[sick sentinel]

You are very good

[strong forum]

i know

[sick sentinel]

Nah he's garbage lmao

[analog zinc]

so when would you prio clap over slam?

like if you pull 8 mobs would you clap over slam?

[strong forum]

you just use both on CD

[analog zinc]

???

which one first lol

[sick sentinel]

Nome you're retarded

Slam clap

[analog zinc]

if i clap devastate/revenge & get a proc, would I clap or slam is what I'm asking

[blazing condor]

Slap

[sick sentinel]

Slam>clap

[analog zinc]

cool

[sick sentinel]

I told u. Press button when button lights up easy game

WARRIOR SMASH

[empty nacelle]

slam*

[livid kite]

I am reading theses comments like "slap clam" "SPAM CLAM" "clam spam"

These poor clams.

[strong forum]

Genital clams

Wait

🤔

[glad ridge]

is there a way to test dps apm with a particular race iam wondering about rage generation with gnomes vs night elves

[sick sentinel]

any advice on how to approach Zul in king's rest? I did my very first 17 today and it was a king's rest and he basically deleted me out of existence 😄

(and it's not even fortified /: )

[strong forum]

he does some melee attacks but mostly unblockable dmg, spend as much rage as you can with IP, cycle CDs, commit everything you have

and pray your healer can heal you

[tame garden]

Need to coordinate cds with your healer and he needs to pump heals into you

Use everything

[sick sentinel]

and then just pray it's over fast, that's just it correct? Will go in more prepared next time

[strong forum]

@glad ridge that 1% haste isnt gonna make any noticable different

[sick sentinel]

thanks for advice

[tame garden]

It's the hardest part of the dungeon for tank

[sick sentinel]

3rd and fourth boss were nothing compared to this 😄

[tame garden]

Yup

[glad ridge]

@strong forum the 5 rage might

[warm plinth]

It's 5 max rage

[empty nacelle]

its weird that the kings rest nerfs didnt have something for zul tbh

[warm plinth]

Yes, yes it is

[empty nacelle]

even something small

[tame garden]

i would trade all those nerfs for a zul nerf

[analog zinc]

just skip zul lol

he's not hard if you skip him

[tame garden]

just dont do kr

no need to nerf the dungeon at all if you skip it

[analog zinc]

just never do the dungeon without a dh

[tame garden]

excellent design

[exotic spoke]

What’s KR? Ive never heard of that dungeon

[sick sentinel]

its a sad place

[oblique garnet]

its the dungeon you have to spam because your warrior dps needs getikku

[sage path]

I get 5 requests a day to go to 15-22 KRs and I say no to all of them LOL...

It’s not I don’t like Zul Skipping, I just don’t trust ppl enough to live the 3rd boss.

[analog zinc]

i wanna get a geti for pvp

[strong forum]

im almost certain blizz doesnt know about zul skip

they just see" hey people are starting to complete relevant key levels of KR, seems like its working out now"

but dont know why

[analog zinc]

how would they not know

its done in mdi

they're known to (try to) balance stuff around mdi

"oh wars are doing big damage? Lets nerf tclap"

[empty nacelle]

yeah they defintely do know

[warm plinth]

@analog zinc Who skipped him in MDI? I had heard they asked people not to do it in MDI. And I just checked a couple vids of it in MDI and they didn't skip.

[sick sentinel]

The secret to fighting zul is getting a leech set

[strong forum]

you'd need 200% leech for it to work vs zul

so gl with that

[analog zinc]

did they not?

[sick sentinel]

Just skip zul lmao

Wtf is wrong with you

[warm plinth]

I’m fairly certain no one in the MDI skipped him.

[tame garden]

it was against the rules to skip him in mdi

blizz are aware

[distant crystal]

i'd like to see an MDI group do the zul skip and then just pull zul onto the boss

wouldn't that technically not be skipping him >:D

[analog zinc]

big brain

i wonder if its possible to survive that

[strong forum]

not as warri

unless you lust burn zul

[night obsidian]

Hi im planing to boost up a warrior, is there any dominant race for pve? i know its about less than 1% but still

[crystal dirge]

sots last boss, does he get energy when someone dies? what happens to small adds when they are left in the normal phase? we came out, they were not there, but the boss put us down almost instantly after starting from 50 energy, anybody knows anything specific?

[strong forum]

only for m+

[distant crystal]

when the mobs hit the boss he gains energy

whether during up phase or down

if you don't kill them, they'll give him energy

if you want a long phase, kill them 1 at a time to not gib your healer

[analog zinc]

for raid pick whatever you want
for m+, mostly pick whatever you want, but if you want to optimize
Night Elf for skips
Dwarf / DI Dwarf for bleed/poison removal
Blood Elf for aoe purge

[distant crystal]

regular dwarf for more dmg, di dwarf to run fast :p

[strong forum]

wat

DID is more dmg

[analog zinc]

is reg dwarf more damage??

[night obsidian]

Forgot to mention im horde, soz.

[distant crystal]

crit dmg yo

[analog zinc]

dark iron has stat buff

reg dwarf has DR

[distant crystal]

reg dwarf has 3% crit dmg

and DR

🙂

[night obsidian]

Thank you for the reply @analog zinc

[analog zinc]

sim the two then

[strong forum]

i dont think the 2% crit dmg outweighs 900+ mainstat on use

[distant crystal]

once in a blue moon

unless you're using it on cd for the buff and wasting the potential for self dispel

even then, idk if it's any better

[ionic fern]

Tbh iirc regular dwarf simmed higher. I'm not 100 percent sure how many debuffs did removes in sims,if any.

[analog zinc]

aight so reg dwarf is just straight better lol

[crystal dirge]

thought so thanks

[strong forum]

i used to pair fireblood with avatar regularily when i know i dont have to dispell

[distant crystal]

the movespeed of DI dwarf isn't to be discounted completely tho

but yeah, i prefer regdorf

also for aesthetics

🙂

[strong forum]

DID also has 1% physical DR

[analog zinc]

whats dark iron's move speed?

[strong forum]

not like that matters

+4% indoors

[analog zinc]

interesting

[distant crystal]

basically just 4% if you can't mount

i'm a bit biased

[analog zinc]

ew dwarf

[strong forum]

im biased into loving dwarfs

[warm plinth]

Dwarfs are objectively the best race.

[analog zinc]

i bought hundreds of savory deviate delights so i can race change when I'm doing merc mode on my mag'har orc

[warm plinth]

Don't @ me

[ionic fern]

@warm plinth

[analog zinc]

@warm plinth

[distant crystal]

@warm plinth can i @ you if you're right tho

[ionic fern]

I agree tho.

[warm plinth]

Yes, you can

If there were actually people on alliance side I would still be playing my dwarf

[ionic fern]

I'm true to dworf.

[distant crystal]

i kinda want to race change my rogue to dwarf

[strong forum]

fun fact, mwahi is IRL dorf

[distant crystal]

nelf is kinda redundant on a rogue

[strong forum]

not really

[distant crystal]

esp if you never play sin

in keys at least

[warm plinth]

Still an extra don't target me button

[distant crystal]

with restless blades vanish is up so often tho

[warm plinth]

You're up so often

[distant crystal]

💑

[analog zinc]

i went nelf on my ally rogue

[distant crystal]

btw the first uncapped week of s5

is necrotic

[analog zinc]

wait what

[distant crystal]

s4*

[analog zinc]

real shit?

what's the other fixes?

[distant crystal]

tyr bursting iirc

[analog zinc]

necrotic raging tyra?

[distant crystal]

oh might be raging

[analog zinc]

it can't be bursting

[distant crystal]

def tyr tho

[analog zinc]

they wouldn't do that

[strong forum]

RIIIIIP

remember

how they did teeming quaking fort

first week of s3

🙂

[distant crystal]

so we're gonna be spamming +15s

that feel like +20s

[strong forum]

"spamming"

gl

[distant crystal]

tyrannical, with necrotic

lol

[warm plinth]

Hey 15s are only gonna be 19s

Don't be dramatic Waat

😂

[strong forum]

19.5

actually

[analog zinc]

well this really puts a dampen in my plan

i wanted to get keystone master week 2

[strong forum]

ya no

[distant crystal]

yeeeeeah gl w/ that

[strong forum]

unless you do 22s already

[distant crystal]

better bring a 4k io team

[strong forum]

^

[analog zinc]

i do 19s 🙂

[warm plinth]

🤔

[analog zinc]

i had a guildie that did ksm week 2 or 3 this season

he was only like 1700 or something in s2

[strong forum]

ghash, m0 mobs get 52% HP increase

[distant crystal]

i mean it's doable with some dedication, the affixes aren't too horrible

just a lot of time spent

at a time when there's a lot of other stuff to do

[analog zinc]

like farm boes for bank

[strong forum]

its defo possible

[distant crystal]

it'll be good to be dorf that week tho 🙂

[strong forum]

but cba tryharding

[analog zinc]

i've been wanted to tryhard for so long

[warm plinth]

Just hope they eliminated sang/quake

[strong forum]

the last time i wanted to tryhard was s1

then i quit pushing

[distant crystal]

well quake is a lot better next season

[strong forum]

also

[distant crystal]

but sang/quake/void is still gonna be butthole in indoor dungeons

[strong forum]

have fun getting KSM with mechagon m+

[analog zinc]

oh fuck

i forgot about that

🙂

[strong forum]

cuz that shit, will be borderline impossible .)

[distant crystal]

i'm anxious to see it

they're nerfing a lot in there in anticipation of M+

but i bet it's still gonna be the worst key

most every week

[strong forum]

from what ive seen

the nerfs arent nearly enough

not even remotely enough

literally everything has to be nerfed by atleast 50%

[distant crystal]

it's gonna be s2 KR

[analog zinc]

i hear its buggy af

[strong forum]

to counteract scaling

[analog zinc]

some spells dont even scale with keystones

[strong forum]

good

shit hurts even on m0 with 450 gear

some trash atleast

[analog zinc]

but they buffed Wreck 🙂

[distant crystal]

i wanna see wrecker on 4th boss

high tyr

[strong forum]

Wreck is whatever

that does literally 0

[distant crystal]

they sorta half buffed it

half nerfed it

it doesn't make you take more from all phys anymore right

[analog zinc]

wreck hurts most tanks rn if you dont have cds

[distant crystal]

only from wreck itself

so it's a sort of enrage on that phase

[strong forum]

ye but warri just laughs 😄

[distant crystal]

unless you have a bubbletaunt type thing

[strong forum]

at tankbuster

[analog zinc]

ye war & monk are gonna be fine for it

but imagine that on a DK lmfao

[distant crystal]

i think brew is pretty dead in keys

with the gift of the ox fix

[strong forum]

they'll be as viable as in s2

so middle of pack

not great not bad

[analog zinc]

i think they'll be top of the low tiers

[strong forum]

hot trub helped them a shitton

without hot trub monk wouldnt even be a pick this season

[oblique garnet]

🤔

Thats not true

[analog zinc]

S prot war
A prot pally & veng dh
B brew monk
C bear & dk

[strong forum]

ye literally middle of the pack

[analog zinc]

no

top

off the low tiers

[strong forum]

sounds like middle to me

[sullen valve]

Shhh don't answer my question i wanna bait mwahi

[ionic fern]

👀

[sullen valve]

FUCK

[strong forum]

BUSTED!

[sullen valve]

I mean

Hi

dad

uwu

plz no ban

[warm plinth]

Daily reminder that you can use wowA for prot warriors

[ionic fern]

😂

[sullen valve]

^

Daily reminder that you can use wowA for prot warriors

[ionic fern]

How are you sir

[analog zinc]

wowA?

[distant crystal]

hot trub was just some free dmg in high keys

[sullen valve]

Pretty good

[strong forum]

"daily" bruh its fucking 11.30pm

[analog zinc]

oh wow analyzer

[distant crystal]

celestial fortune and gift of the ox

[sullen valve]

I was gonna ask you if you suggest wowA

[distant crystal]

carried monk this season

[analog zinc]

^

[ionic fern]

Monks were busted cause double heal trinket + self heals.

[distant crystal]

and ring of peace being busted with emissaries

[strong forum]

i know that

i know all of that

[analog zinc]

monks are good because they're really good on emis & their healing is bugged

[strong forum]

but without hot trub they would have insane aggro issues and would deal negative dmg

[empty nacelle]

RoP is a good spell

[analog zinc]

warriors are the worst tank on emis

[distant crystal]

eh

[sullen valve]

hmm

[distant crystal]

cns major is pretty neat

[analog zinc]

yea

[distant crystal]

if you can find some uneven ground with tides

[analog zinc]

but that loses out on vop

[empty nacelle]

what does it give?

[distant crystal]

clap roots

[analog zinc]

your tclap roots

[distant crystal]

no dr

[empty nacelle]

that shit is annoying

[distant crystal]

you can literally tank a tide without getting hit by it :p

[empty nacelle]

but thats real cool

[analog zinc]

yeah you can do tides well with c&s major but

[distant crystal]

and also keep it still while you z-axis other mobs from it

[analog zinc]

you dont wanna run that most keys

[sullen valve]

be me, ask mwahi a question, never get an answer

[distant crystal]

ye

[oblique garnet]

thats why there are SFs who you can ask questions

[ionic fern]

@sullen valve i always answer.:(

[oblique garnet]

Literally never around

[strong forum]

Mwahi was SF

for like a week

:OpieOP:

[ionic fern]

What. I was SF for like months.👀

[distant crystal]

shadowfiend?

[strong forum]

:thonk:

[distant crystal]

san francisco?

[strong forum]

felt like a week to me

[warm plinth]

What SF?

[ionic fern]

😂

[warm plinth]

We have SFs in prot?

[distant crystal]

silent farts?

[strong forum]

soon tm

[wooden radish]

@exotic spoke

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-hello-gif-10106390

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern you never answered my question tho

[ionic fern]

Which one?m

[strong forum]

yes he will give you a fansign

[oblique garnet]

Mmyes

[ionic fern]

Yes

[sullen valve]

Mwahi said he'd have a beer with me. Thats better than an autograph

You hear it here first bois

WOWA supported by Mwahi

[strong forum]

wowee

[ionic fern]

You got a pin saying literally that.

[oblique garnet]

Did you fix azshara on wowa yet?

[ionic fern]

If you fix downtimes it'd be nice jeah. Gotta do it for every boss then tho.

👀

[oblique garnet]

@sullen valve go work

[warm plinth]

Late wtf man, it's the Christmas season

[oblique garnet]

And?

[warm plinth]

Be nice to Abe; he works hard for us

[oblique garnet]

Work overtime

[sullen valve]

@oblique garnet not broken so not fixing 🙂

[oblique garnet]

it is broken

Fix the downtime

[sullen valve]

also im pretty sure

[oblique garnet]

One job

[sullen valve]

timefiltering works for that

[empty nacelle]

how do the christmas holidays work in the northern hemisphere?

like length wise

[strong forum]

Wagie, wagie, get in cagie,
Boss needs help! Don't be lazy!
Zero breaks will make you crazy?
I'll tell the guards to get their tazie.
Need to get those new iPhones,
Gotta pay those student loans.
Work your fingers to the bone,
Bosses need vacation homes.
Don't trust unions, vote in pairs,
By all of boss's consumer wares.
We'll stay seated in our chairs,
And make our bosses millionaires.
Love your work! Love the pain!

[undone sun]

schools just got out, at least in my area

2 weeks

till jan

[oblique garnet]

depends alot on your company

[empty nacelle]

lol

[oblique garnet]

and what you do

[strong forum]

i have 3 week vacation 🙂

[undone sun]

yeah, i know a lot of companies that barely give off

[sullen valve]

@oblique garnet time filtering

[oblique garnet]

my mom is working for example on 24th and 25th

[empty nacelle]

no i mean season wise

since its summer where i am

[oblique garnet]

its winter

[empty nacelle]

and uni exams ended like 20th november

[warm plinth]

Imagine using all the features of the tool @sullen valve

[empty nacelle]

i only go back in feb

[sullen valve]

True

Also <insert loving emote that i can't use because @ionic fern won't let us use emotes in #protection > yall are great

[oblique garnet]

🤔 Theres features

[warm plinth]

Mwahi, global emojis when? Don't forget about us just because you're moving up in the world

[ionic fern]

It's on my to-do listm

[strong forum]

i wouldnt call a class discord roles moving up in the world

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

unless hes getting paid

[undone sun]

wait

[oblique garnet]

Its not gonna happen Mwahi

[undone sun]

WHAT

[sullen valve]

Mwahi stopped dming me

he said i moved up time to forget about you

[strong forum]

no more snapchat nudes

[warm plinth]

Did Thyme just realize Mwahi got Val'kyr?

[undone sun]

yes

[warm plinth]

😂

[sullen valve]

Wait no plz no. I want the nudes

[ionic fern]

Wait,really.??

[strong forum]

wait

[sullen valve]

to who mwahi

[strong forum]

mwahi is valk

what

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

he aint blue

[undone sun]

how recent is this

[warm plinth]

It's been a minute

[sullen valve]

There are two roles

one for color

one for power

[oblique garnet]

Approx since the last time you slept thyme

[sullen valve]

mwahi has the important one

[ionic fern]

From this month..

[undone sun]

😑

holy shit

[analog zinc]

can i have theorycrafter

[undone sun]

shows how much i pay attention

[analog zinc]

i found out prot war has a mastery cap

[sullen valve]

uwu

can i have stormforged or wowA slave role

[strong forum]

im getting SF before anyone

so shush

[undone sun]

🤣

doubt

[strong forum]

rude

[ionic fern]

No,me.:(

[sullen valve]

:feelsbad:

:feelsmwahi:

[warm plinth]

I wanna be SF just because I think catfriend would overreact to it

[undone sun]

reinstate my SF Kappa

[warm plinth]

Then they can take it away

[empty nacelle]

there is no more odin 😮

wait nvm

[oblique garnet]

Nitro Booster

[undone sun]

he's just lower

[warm plinth]

Imagine if they gave me, you, Krotos and Cosmo all SF @undone sun I think she'd have a stroke. Actually probably just you and Cosmo would be enough

[sullen valve]

see my whole reasoning for me so is its easier for people to ping me about wowA stuff

[undone sun]

🤣

i would wonder what year it was

[ionic fern]

😂

[sullen valve]

and so when people ask me do you even play prot they just wouldn't ask because im in prot discord

[strong forum]

but do you though :monkahmm:

[ionic fern]

Just say "yes" to everything.

[sullen valve]

I have a warrior yes

[oblique garnet]

I mean who plays prot anymore

[sullen valve]

Mwahi

oph wait

[ionic fern]

Yes

[sullen valve]

he is a shamie

[ionic fern]

Yes

[sullen valve]

the good spec though