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#protection
warm plinth
warm plinth
Except first DC, yes
flint wraith
Worth getting two DC's?
warm plinth
Though, you could make an argument if you had like a 430 piece with Bastion+other good traits vs a 445 with completely garbage across the board
flint wraith
or is that just blah
warm plinth
Not really.
flint wraith
Is the WM wep worthj?
tame garden
For st
flint wraith
(Y)
warm plinth
Not bad. Just there are better options to the 2nd/3rd trait
warm plinth
top r.io people were stacking leech at one point too. Doesn't make them right ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
peak lily
guess they go that build for max dps
warm plinth
Nope. Because that's not the max DPS.
peak lily
what max dps?
warm plinth
Probably stat procs like Blightborne Infusion or Swirling Sands
Undulating Tides if you never drop low enough to proc the defensive maybe
sick sentinel
what is MS?
warm plinth
Meticulous Scheming
strong forum
Meticulous scheming
sick sentinel
Ok
warm plinth
Also it would depend on your current stats wouldn't it, like any stat weights. If you already had high haste, crit may be better, which would put things like BBI and SS ahead, right?
strong forum
Since there's no 445 bom + blightborne or bom + swirling sands
strong forum
Max dps would be crit + haste focused gear
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
With butcher block + X trinket
While stacking more than 1 DC does grant some dps, it's no longer actually semi decent with the nerf of UF
High rio people stacking 3x bom 3x Dc, are most likely just too lazy to check and just down know any better
Cuz how would you know meticulous scheming is good, if you never check with others or put thought into theorycrafting
terse dragon
Most high io prot tanks don't take 3 dc...
exotic spoke
^^
distant crystal
some did for some mdi runs
cuz gigantic pull bootyclappin
nothing's better for dmg while avatar is up
peak lily
not saying most are running 3 dc but some were when i last checked
exotic spoke
I wish I could get on the tournament realm ๐ฆ
distant crystal
formal night
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formal night
pog
formal night
The alt luck exists
exotic spoke
Getting close:
viral kite
Any tank YouTubers to watch to get better at m+? Been getting into tanking on a alt and looking for resources
Or streamers w.e
inland bolt
in keys is it worth to drop ilvls for orgozoa's barb?
im choosing between these two
and do I take force multiplier or quick navigation? (I see Sajke taking force multiplier in keys)
warm plinth
It is not worth dropping ilevel for barb
It's not even really worth using barb tbh because it nerfs your damage
Like you can use the weapon, but I wouldn't use the effect
inland bolt
im thinking more about defensively, idk how great the effect it
warm plinth
Eh, chances are a 10% damage reduction isn't gonna be life-saving, and you lose 10% damage too. ๐คท
And you should use Force Multiplier
inland bolt
whats the logic between the two?
does quick navigation just give faster melees for more rage?
and force multiplier is just flat strength?
left hatch
Force is better offensively, higher proc chance and also gives secondaries (tho you can't pick)
while haste is better defensively, the proc rate of Quick is lower, and in general procs arn't amazing for defensives so you can't control it to pop when you really need it
so the miniscule difference in 'defense' that isn't on demand isn't worth trading off all the output you get from Force
warm plinth
Force gives you secondaries as well, and can proc multiple simultaneously
left hatch
additionally the value of haste isn't faster melees for more rage, its lower cd on your SB, and faster GCD which leads to a lower CD on everything that matters in your kit via Anger Management
if you valued faster melees theres another enchant for that... but the names eluding me rn
chilly brook
@left hatch it's also faster GCD's which is actually more rage gen especially during avatar windows
undone sun
chilly brook
Nah he said melees not casts ๐
warm plinth
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distant crystal
gale force + zaqul weap
undone sun
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fringe folio
On icy veins it says put haste on the rings with gems, but I see many prot warriors with versatility. What decides this choice ?
warm plinth
Weird people
fringe folio
Ok I guess :p
left hatch
alternative answer is they chant for dps and sims are saying that verse is pulling ahead
why yo'ull see some M+ wars with crit on their rings
fringe folio
I prefer your answer, thanks ๐
abstract meteor
Quick question. Only 3 resets in to my prot warrior for m+ so what essences should I run.
I have -
r3 crucible,
r2 vision, r2 conflict, r2 anima of l&d, r2 undying gift
r1 Aegis, r1 Lucid, r1 Dynamo
What should I pick (major and minor)
mental scarab
@left hatch we get parry from crit thats good in m+ ๐๐ปโโ๏ธ
Parry does bleeds like a champ
left hatch
that too, and is op on necrotic
once you get enough you naturally reset necro on ever boss ez pz
brittle owl
parry normalises as actual DR in aoe scenarios
left hatch
@abstract meteor
vision major, conflict minor and
ehhhhh be nice if you got your null lucid or aeigis higher. or picked up sphere of suppression
pick one of those, even at r1 they'll have more use than Anima or undying gift
brittle owl
even on magic heavy dungeons
left hatch
its super nice
brittle owl
especially on magic heavy dungeons
the way magic damage is thrown out that small absorb every minute or so will not save you
or make your healer spend less globals on healing
it would only be relevant in scenarios where you take the majority of magic damage in the form of a dot
and not a particularily heavy hitting one
and that's just the last boss of UR
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
abstract meteor
What one would be most useful at r2?
brittle owl
aegis and lucid
strong forum
^
abstract meteor
Is null only relevant with the dmg part?
left hatch
^ CnS won't overcome those till r3
brittle owl
yes
left hatch
i still think a r2 CnS is > than a r1 aegis or lucid tho
strong forum
You can run Cof for pure dmg
nimble mauve
At what haste value should you start leaning towards crit in M+? Me like damage
brittle owl
sim yo self
left hatch
^
brittle owl
it's that easy
left hatch
and that'll only matter for gems and enchants
abstract meteor
Yeah I think cof minor until I get either of those at r2 makes sense
Cof minor a lot of dmg
brittle owl
aegis even at r1, as a minor, is still decent on large pulls
strong forum
R1 or r2 doesn't change the effectiveness of lucid or aegis
brittle owl
aegis gets the double vers benefit
strong forum
Ye but only below 35
nimble mauve
R3 gives 300 versa on proc
strong forum
So..
brittle owl
but on a prot warrior, if you spend more than 2-3 globals below 35% u ded anyway
left hatch
lucid r1 is just the rage, no versa
nimble mauve
Tru
left hatch
and the verse is what makes it competitive with cns or aegis imo
abstract meteor
Lucid r1 is hella doodoo
brittle owl
the rage gen is the main bit, what are you talking about
left hatch
2 procs a minute > constant uptime on verse?
hte 5 stacks of verse hed be getting from CnS seems a lot more potent than what 80 rage a min
extra 2 IP's
left hatch
right, talking about what he has access to
brittle owl
vision major, cns minor, aegis or lucid is up to him
both of those require you to play around them
to get max benefit
abstract meteor
Ill test both
brittle owl
lucid is 'more passive'
strong forum
Cns is the best essence period, nothing is competitive to it, so why are you comparing lucid vs cns :wat:
brittle owl
aegis you need to pull big to leverage it
left hatch
ppl were saying to run aegis and lucid
strong forum
Yes
left hatch
i got confused and read and instead of OR
strong forum
Since cns r2 is weak
left hatch
is 3 less stacks really make it that much worse tho
brittle owl
since it never loses stacks
left hatch
unless hes pulling big to play around aegis
abstract meteor
Wait you suggest double r1 over r2 cns?
brittle owl
what he's saying is
nimble mauve
The idea of learning another spec just to PvP makes me wanna barf. Already did that with my monk
left hatch
i got to 1600 on prot with an undergeared (380) hpal
was painful but
was only like 5 hours
brittle owl
ilvl doesnt matter in pvp unless trinkets and azerite
nimble mauve
So ur saying I can just be a prot bitch
nimble mauve
Ay that's the dream
jolly thistle
Arms or fury isnโt too hard to play for 1600 rating
left hatch
lul only wep you need is the KR one
brittle owl
tank in pvp is the mosy hilarious shit wdym
left hatch
all others don't exist
nimble mauve
Brew in PvP was not the best time
brittle owl
those don't exist in pvp
left hatch
there is a lot of satisfaction perma rooting ppl when ava is up
and prot in world pvp is a laugh
brittle owl
both prots and bear are hilarious
people don't expect the pump
or the sheer annoyance
abstract meteor
Guardian is so stupid
strong forum
Guardian is disgusting
jolly thistle
until you meet a fire mage
strong forum
Guardian is absolutely disgusting
left hatch
i can do fine against mages, its ele that always gets me
abstract meteor
^
left hatch
they have too much self healing
abstract meteor
Lmfao
sharp night
destro is scarier than fire mage
strong forum
Destro you just kite the CDs
Perma
Then you spam his ass
To not let him get a cast off
jolly thistle
greater pyro into ring = 30% hp
left hatch
on a side note to all the great and powerful theorycrafters
you think the new essence will be worth running over one of the existing ones? provided you do'nt need the 10 corruption resist to safely put on another piece
decent amount of main stat and haste.... and has the nice bonus of giving haste to a frand
nimble mauve
Idk what the new essence is
sharp night
there's more than one new essence
left hatch
'whenever an ally uses their essence gain main stat and haste for 20s, ally also gains haste'
nimble mauve
Night bois
left hatch
im talking the not garbage one
since warden is just a smol self heal and the other is one of those 'if yo'ure already near death X happens'
yah "when below 35% health gain some avoidance and next shield block lasts 30% longer" with a 60s internal cd
i dont see that ever being useful
sharp night
minor value probably heavily depends on what your group/raid is running
if everyone's running cof and the minor can stack then it's ridic
if everyone's running something like clf or passive essences you're likely getting very little value out of it
left hatch
true, doesn't mention an internal cd on it but id imagine it refreshes instead of stacks
sharp night
that's even worse if it has to refresh because you'd need people to purposely stagger it for 100% uptime
otherwise it's just strictly worse than anything that just passively provides a permanent stat increase
left hatch
mmk
sharp night
we get a 4th minor at 75 though which shouldn't take too long after patch
left hatch
yah, was wondering if that slot would go to new essence
sharp night
and most people are likely going to run one of the new essences for the corruption resist anyway
left hatch
or let us run a 3rd old friend
eh 10 resist isn't huge
i can see it if itll let you hit a breakpoint
and prevents you from goign into the next tier
sharp night
well the corrupted weapons are super strong and i think most if not all put you at a threshold
so if you want to use any of those effects you probably need the essence + cloak
left hatch
i think for prot its 25
so yo'ull have that naturally w/ just the cloak
on week 1
sorry, itll be right after first reset your cloak will have 25
provided they don't muck with how many runs a week you can do
gleaming veldt
ionic fern
Haste will always be a decent choice.
Crit one looks decent as well DPS wise.
Just remember that there's still some tuning to be done.
left hatch
you think the proc or the flat 12% all sources be better
i can't find anything on ppm for the procs
strong forum
12% from all sources is gonna win im pretty sure
Actually
No
Cuz im at what 1.8k haste or smth, the 12% would mean like 230 more haste.
Whereas the proc is at 1.2k, which is another MS proc, I'd say that's better
ionic fern
I'm not entirely sure about the PPM for them atm so can't say.,
empty nacelle
will also depend on how they can stack surely?
sharp night
well
you have to balance it with your corruption too from other things
current ptr seems to indicate 5 rppm
strong forum
That's quite insane then
empty nacelle
and if you have the proc on 2 pieces, what is the stack interaction?
marsh silo
going from dk to warrior is insane so many buttons to press
strong forum
More haste
sharp night
probably yeah just stacks more haste
empty nacelle
and the ppm stays the same?
strong forum
But I wouldn't think you can wear this proc twice
sharp night
yes that's generally how things stack
duration and ppm stay the same, effect increases
empty nacelle
ait
sharp night
yeah
slim pier
Hmm
strong forum
Ppm never changes
strong forum
Gl
strong forum
To make em better
empty nacelle
so likely it would be to have 1 haste proc piece and then stack the haste from all sources, which would also boost the rppm then?
empty nacelle
ye i know
sharp night
each 12% one gives 25 corruption too lol
empty nacelle
im assuming a few months into the patch
strong forum
Then the increased haste / crit
sharp night
i'm curious if the dmg proc actually stacks
strong forum
That'd be sick
sharp night
since it can be an affix on any piece of gear now
strong forum
Thing is
sharp night
if you have like 5 pieces do you just get 25% of your max hp every 30 stacks lol
slim pier
I just want static values
strong forum
We can get different weapon procs
sharp night
yeah
but it'd be pretty wild if you're just like
aoeing for your maxhp every 30 gcds
strong forum
Well...
empty nacelle
i think tiers would be okay if say tier 1 was for normal, tier 2 heroic, tier 3 mythic etc
empty nacelle
and the equivalent in m+ via ilvl
strong forum
So 2 pieces
sharp night
and then 10 from the essence
slim pier
I saw that the cloak gives you a main stat buff
sharp night
well with 3 pieces of 25 corruption you'd still be at only 5 corruption which is pretty good
slim pier
is that right?
sharp night
and that'd be 15% max hp every 30 gcds
strong forum
The mainstat buff is gone
slim pier
I thought it was removed
I wish they'd make the cloaks much cooler
like MOP ones
this is boring
sharp night
on the latest post on wowhead
apparently you get the main stat proc again
but it has to be a rank 13 cloak
or higher
sharp night
so you get corruption increase, ilvl, on use to remove, and mainstat proc
slim pier
did they increase the corruotion values too?
sharp night
i think it's still the same as before
some have extremely high corruption values though
like the 2h version of the 5% hp proc has 75 corruption
slim pier
Yeah
strong forum
Is the breath 30 gcds?
sharp night
wowhead says 2+haste
i believe it is because of the way it's stated
"your damaging abilities build stacks of searing flames"
slim pier
anyone here knows if the WV buff is up on the ptr?
sharp night
at 30 stacks exhale and do 5% hp
strong forum
Ye but in aoe couldn't you get more than 1 stack
Per clap
That's what I'm thinking
sharp night
i would assume it's limited to 1 damage instance per gcd
like most procs
except for bote stacks i guess
slim pier
so the wv buff?
slim pier
yeah
the major's value increased was buffed to 500%
was 50% before
or i think it was buffed by 500%
not sure
sharp night
it should be on the ptr currently yes because it was listed in "patch notes currently being tested"
it got increased from 50% to 300%
and duration from 10 to 18 sec
slim pier
oh yeah
that one
it's like a better font
by far
no cast time
1 min cd
well, in it's current state
might get changed
and the main stat is even more than font
strong forum
It's 1.8k
sharp night
that's assuming you don't have to move though right
strong forum
So idk how that is more than 4k from font
sharp night
12 yds is pretty small
strong forum
It's pretty big
slim pier
you sure? hmm
sharp night
esp since they aren't all stacked
strong forum
No that's with the buff in mind
600-700 per lifeblood
Its 250 base
You get 3 lifeblood
slim pier
hmm, I remember I talked to archim about this on the fury channel and he said it was like 3k on the major
Maybe something changed
empty nacelle
might have to do with new neck levels?
strong forum
So still less than font
sharp night
well
it's +300% value which i believe actually means it's 4x base?
since it was increased from +50%
so if it's 250 base then each shard should provide 1k with the major active, so 3 shards would be 3k
at neck level 70
sharp night
it's 303 at neck level 80 assuming each neck level is still 2 ilvls so we're at ilvl 493 neck
empty nacelle
well look at the average strength
sharp night
so 1212 with major active, for total of 3636 for 18 sec every minute
empty nacelle
and compare with font
sharp night
assuming you can stay in range of all 3
slim pier
which is better than font
sharp night
font is like 4k for 30 sec every 3 min so it's almost the same except channel time
brittle owl
now imagine if it didn't bug
sharp night
er 2 min yeah
slim pier
essence is one min
strong forum
Now imagine having a major that's better than mainstat
slim pier
no channel time
strong forum
:^)
sharp night
ya so basically it's just channel time making the diff
slim pier
and the cd
brittle owl
it's retarded amounts of mainstat, that isn't the issue
sharp night
3636 mainstat for 36 sec every 2 min, vs 4k mainstat for 30 sec every 2 min + 4 sec channel time
slim pier
isn't it 5 sece channel time
sharp night
no it's 4
brittle owl
4 sec
slim pier
and that too
strong forum
But still, it won't compete with actual essences
slim pier
sin rogue
sharp night
i think firemage is the only spec that might really want it since they love int increases but it won't outperform lucid major still
left hatch
also 80 isn't necesarily the cap, theres just no infinite stacking trait
we can go above for +2 ilvls each rank and i'd imagine smol increases to essences
slim pier
yeah
strong forum
80 is the last HP node
sharp night
for heavy burst, or vop for a more balanced build
slim pier
not necessarily
strong forum
After that its just +2 ilvl
slim pier
they don't always use it
left hatch
Yah i heard about 80 being the last unlock, never saw anything about 85 being a hard cap
slim pier
well
67 is te last unlock
atm
and 70 is the max
could be there's some legendary at 85?
essence
left hatch
nope, new essences unlocks tied to visions, raid and invasions respectively
left hatch
yah im looking again through wowhead articles, still only thing i can find is linking the blue post that 80 is the stam unlock but ppl can still go higher, albeit only for the ilvl bonus
sharp night
it's 3k guaranteed from the 3 shards that activate when you use the major but if you have a proc from the minor for a 4th shard then it's 4k
sharp night
realistically you don't get to choose and there's probably some math somewhere that says delaying is worse than just using on cd
slim pier
yeah
jolly thistle
Whatโs the conversion rate strength to armor ?
jolly thistle
Itโs a fixed amount 60%
sick sentinel
Hey all new to tanking. deafening crash only take one?
brittle owl
yes
sick sentinel
Also i have urchin and sporepods is edicts better than sporepods?
wondering if i should farm it
ionic fern
Edicts is better than sporepods yes.
Sporepods is not a good trinket. You can also try and get Rezans from AD-that's a solid trinket also.
brittle owl
sporepods is good for pvp doe
sick sentinel
cool thank you ๐
exotic spoke
Good morning Prot Chat
opal harness
Hey all good morning, how's prot looking in the 8.3 raid?
empty nacelle
ooh kr nerfs
opal harness
@exotic spoke think it'll be a preferred tank?
exotic spoke
For what content?
opal harness
In the raid, sorry. Nyalotha. Not sure exactly how to spell. Heard some streamers weren't hype on it, but I really think it's a fun tank
empty nacelle
was hoping for a bigger nerf to severing axe, but its something
exotic spoke
For M+ absolutely I think we will. Our mitigation is still amazing, visions is getting a buff
In raid, weโll be fine. Preferred - maybe / maybe not. The predictions people make for the raid tank meta is usually incorrect. Their reasoning about why we wonโt be good discounts a lot of things
It discounts the physical damage and over hypes the magic damage
We may not be the best - but weโll be viable at worst
empty nacelle
the rest of the nerfs make KR look pretty good now
exotic spoke
Honestly donโt really care about the boss nerfs - the trash nerfs were needed
empty nacelle
i mean, tanks dont get hit by severing axe do they?
exotic spoke
No, but my group has some good solutions for severing
It can be parried if I remember correctly. Comp is prot, rdruid, spriest, Rogue, and HDH
I run safeguard so anyone who actually gets hit gets a defensive while the rdruid gets them topped up
empty nacelle
ye i guess for an organised group its sort of w/e
exotic spoke
Where I wish I was right now @wooden radish
empty nacelle
me pugging: blow enraged regen and hope i dont get it a second time
exotic spoke
Itโs all a matter of frame of reference @empty nacelle
That said - fuck that trash in that last hall
broken isle
KR got nerfed sure but remember 8.3 will boost m+ scaling too
empty nacelle
thats fine, it brings KR more line with the other dungeons
exotic spoke
Sorry, no thatโs wrong
M+ scaling isnโt changing again.
M+ base difficulty is increasing.
empty nacelle
oh it isnt?
exotic spoke
There is a drastic difference
empty nacelle
aah
exotic spoke
This season, m+ base difficulty increased and m+ scaling increased.
brittle owl
^
broken isle
I dont get it
exotic spoke
In addition to a % increased in the starting value.
wooden radish
those changes will affect M+
brittle owl
afaik
broken isle
But doesnt bumping m0 make subsequent numbers harder?
brittle owl
the scaling stays the same
i.e the difficulty curve
going from one key to the next will feel the same
doing the same key will feel diff from season ti season
random urchin
Uh, pretty sure buffing the base will affect ALL KEYS
as their base that the scale off of is higher now
wooden radish
and yes, it affects all keys
random urchin
Thatโs how math works
exotic spoke
Yes rawfull that is how math works
exotic spoke
But the scaling (10% increase per key level) is staying the same
broken isle
The difference of difficulty between 2 keys isnt changing
exotic spoke
Yes Ziggy
broken isle
But all of them will be harder because they're buffing m0
random urchin
Uh yes
wooden radish
a 19 in Season 3 will be around the same as a 15 in Season 4
brittle owl
did someone say meth
exotic spoke
The scaling is the same. 10% per key
random urchin
Thatโs what I was getting at, the per level scaling isnโt changing but because the base is each level will be different than it is now.
exotic spoke
Youโre just starting higher on the scale
exotic spoke
And weโll be getting gear / other shit to make it easier too. So it should be about the same
brittle owl
just starting x changes
exotic spoke
Eventually
empty nacelle
and hear i thought it was additive, you learn something new eveyday
wooden radish
the 45% increase for base M0 is just there
brittle owl
i mean
you can either describe it as a series
which is the first human instinct
and yeah, each subsequent key is 10% more diff than the last
but that 10% extra gets larger and larger
because everything else is large
empty nacelle
ye so its exponential
wooden radish
he's not going anywhere until Jan 20, 2021
empty nacelle
cool cool
brittle owl
he is the best at trials yknow
wooden radish
brittle owl
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zinc steppe
Guys I'm quite new here, is this the place to ask for trinkets? I don't understand how to sim them
distant crystal
ya
zinc steppe
i got a 415 blood urchin, and a 430 computation device that gives 1265 haste for 12 seconds
how do i sim them?
zinc steppe
okay, so how do I really know which one is better for me?
ionic fern
What's your other trinekt?
zinc steppe
430 edict
distant crystal
i'd run edict/comp
430 is fairly big for a comp
you got a 445 yellow card in it?
ionic fern
I'd use haste proc + edict then. In general there are good and bad trinkets. Like sporepods is bad,rezans is good etc. There's a list usually somewhere like icy veins that shows all decent trinkets.
And after you know which are good/bad trinkets then it becomes relevant for which purpose you want the trinkets,dps or survivability etc
exotic spoke
The list is assuming equal Ilvl.
Also, sometimes you have to find what works for you. For example, on necrotic weeks you may value trinkets which give secondary stats over healing (when you may not normally).
zinc steppe
I was lucky to get a 420 Overclock and a 440 yellow card (haste vers)
okay thank you, I'll experiment around
winged grail
With Edict, should I swap the dmg type based on the dungeon or just assume always magic?
warm plinth
Actually, 99% of the time it's gonna be on physical
Because you're guaranteed to consume the absorb that way (which increases the subsequent absorb)
The only time it's really worth putting on magic is the end of Motherlode probably.
wooden radish
๐ค
exotic spoke
If I get that do I get my own Lincoln?
chilly brook
@brittle owl all it means is they're moving forward to the next step, but it doesn't mean he's being removed there's a ton of other stuff that needs to happen
@warm plinth should you swap to sea witch for court though?
warm plinth
I have no clue. I don't have the raid experience necessary to answer that
I was speaking purely about M+ since he said based on dungeon
chilly brook
RIP
warm plinth
Riki or Late could probably answer that
chilly brook
I'm just trying to figure that out for prog
From a basic "healing done" look it seems like it's about the same either way but the magic damage seems to be the most scary part of the fight for when you're outside the bubble
warm plinth
If the magic is consistent enough to keep it stacking (e.g. consuming the whole absorb every time) then it's probably worth using it on magic
But it would lose value if it resets because an absorb expired
chilly brook
Its hard to tell
wooden radish
you should keep edict as physical
chilly brook
Haven't gone over the logs but roughly equivalent length fights between the two that I swapped it seemed about the same overall
strong forum
on court you stay physical
chilly brook
Aight
chilly brook
I figured it would be physical but some people in the guild were like "reee it should be magic reee"
Meh
exotic spoke
Why are you using defensive trinkets in raid ๐ฆ
warm plinth
I think most people assume that because magic is the tank buster, it should be magic.
chilly brook
I wouldn't typically run tank trinkets but sometimes....my healers scare me on court.
warm plinth
I even thought that at first but that was before I understood how the trinket worked
wooden radish
court only has 1-2 scary moments
exotic spoke
Every time you swap edicts you make people cry
strong forum
momemnenentms
warm plinth
Bananana?
exotic spoke
Because it drops in effectiveness drastically
wooden radish
@strong forum ๐
warm plinth
Whenever I'm in a scary moment I just look at @outer dew and everything is okay
โค๏ธ
outer dew
๐
exotic spoke
Awww
You two make such a cute couple. But when are you guys going to bang? Thereโs way too much sexual tension
warm plinth
Listen buddy, we're moving at our own pace
strong forum
really, this calms you down?
warm plinth
No that's the fucking fake Tofu's picture
chilly brook
I'm also running tank trinkets for two other reasons
outer dew
Never finna run tank trinkets, I gotta be near death constantly so I get healed
That's why I dont use shield block
undone sun
hmmm
chilly brook
- I have to make sure our cotank (brm) gets CDs because somehow he's the one who dies a majority of the time if a tank is going to go down
- I need to compensate for the fact that most of my attention is going to making sure I give him the play by play of when to move and where to move
exotic spoke
My advice is simple.
change the people or try to change the people
strong forum
but he was bear
warm plinth
How long have you been progging that you still have to tell him what to do?
And why do you have more responsibility than him ๐ค
tame garden
๐ป
chilly brook
He's a new addition
strong forum
my cotank forgot the bosses within 1 weeks timespan ๐
chilly brook
Came in last week and last night was his first full day of prog with us
I just want the boss to die tbh
exotic spoke
And with you guys he maybe now has 25-35?
chilly brook
I know I have 40 or so on my warrior but idk how many on my monk
I'm just trying to make sure healers don't have to worry about me too much since they have so much else to do during deferred
Once I don't have to worry about losing a tank I won't care so much about that
exotic spoke
And heโs brand fucking new with you
Yeah heโs not going to do as well. Even on reclear heโs going to play worse than he normally would.
Heโs over analyzing everything, heโs not sure exactly about your strats, heโs overthinking his actions and being harder on himself than he would normally. Heโs probably on edge a little and you using things you wouldnโt normally use is probably not helping
chilly brook
I haven't been vocal about my trinket swap ๐
exotic spoke
The first week or two anyone has joining a new mythic raid team they are (more likely than not) going to play way worse than they usually would
chilly brook
As far as he knows I'm not doing anything different than I normally would
exotic spoke
If you donโt think people inspect their new cotank youโre wrong.
I checked out the one Iโm tanking with now to see his choices / gearing / traitโs
chilly brook
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Unless he thinks I'm gonna run parsing gear and trairs on a prog fight like I would on a farm boss
exotic spoke
Pushing phases faster helps out ๐
sick sentinel
Always run parse gear
chilly brook
What phase
sick sentinel
Always parse
chilly brook
Court is all timers
sick sentinel
Yeah but if you donโt parse how will people know you are good
sick sentinel
Court is one of the harder bosses in the raid imo
wooden radish
exotic spoke
Thereโs the link for the date I said. @wooden radish and Riki teamwork
chilly brook
He got super sketched out because of something I don't remember and I stopped focusing on my own stuff and killed myself to deferred damage
It was like 3% and 2%
Literally the damage lost to the shield would have been the difference
chilly brook
January 14th
chilly brook
I don't know if that's a wise idea for them but ok
I'd rather have it later and be perfect than have rushed systems
But hey
It'll be what it'll be
exotic spoke
Agree Late. Iโm sad I never killed it. Had good progress on it. Guild died. Joined one working on zaqul and yeah
chilly brook
How is zaqul anyways? You guys one tanking?
warm plinth
If you're having issues, bring me in. I will 425 warrior that shit to death
exotic spoke
Then I wonder what we do. Probably not enough time for azshara
chilly brook
I haven't even looked at the mythic zaq fight
exotic spoke
I enjoy it. Especially as weโre making consistent progress over the two-three nights Iโve done it with them
peak lily
Currently have 2 450 pieces with callous(other option is runious bolt and arcane heart). Would it be worth to look for 430 pieces or?
for m+
ionic fern
From the vendor you mean?
in all honesty i wouldn't.
I'd just keep all residuum for another 450.
peak lily
i main fury but dont want to have to respec azerite every time i want to tank a dungeon
ionic fern
If you're talking about just like a weekly 10 and you're decently geared then you don't have to.
๐คท
hollow sluice
hey guys, what kind of damage does bleed count as? ie severing blade, rezan's debuff
slim pier
Isn't it physical?
warm plinth
Physical typically but it's not affected by armor in 99.9% of cases
hollow sluice
and is there any tricks to not take 2x severing blade, like let dps take it?
exotic spoke
Donโt be the closest target when it goes off
warm plinth
Let DPS take it, stun them after they leap
hollow sluice
so the only mitigation is IP for bleed
warm plinth
And damage reductions in general
exotic spoke
Laughs in dark iron dwarf
warm plinth
e.g. Demo Shout, Wall
You can get a WA that will track the CD of their bleed and just stun them before they cast it and it should give you enough time to let the current stack drop before they reapply it (if you HAVE to take it)
But they almost always cast it right after their leap, other than the first one
hollow sluice
i see, thanks
exotic spoke
Good news - itโs getting nerfed
warm plinth
Pets can take it too, if you have a lock or hunter in your group
You just have to be farther than 10 yards away and the pet has to be close to the mob
wooden radish
imagine a world where you're not a lightforged booty goat
broken isle
I notice that they do it right after they do the purple swirl
sand egret
You can honestly just Storm Bolt it after it does it's Blood Leap. If it's not on DR, you'll usually have enough time to let your stack drop before it gets to you
broken isle
but not always
sand egret
they do it initially, then it goes Leap > Bleed in priority
it can get messed up if their Leap cast gets fubared
broken isle
after the leap I run away a lil bit till they do that bleed then I come back
sand egret
yeah, when I did it on my warrior i'd just SB them after they leap and I'd lose my bleed by the time they got to me (assuming no one else took it in the meantime)
tame garden
Just vortex after the leap
sand egret
ezpz
warm plinth
Yeah, listen to these guys. I was wrong.
tame garden
Were you
warm plinth
Yep
tame garden
Do you blade dance the bleeds for your tank
warm plinth
Unless he's in range, yes
tame garden
warm plinth
Well, if he targets me and not the hunter pet anyway ๐
broken isle
lol
warm plinth
But I don't want Hati to die ๐ข
broken isle
I always check certain dungeons to see ideal essences cuz why not
warm plinth
He already got abandoned for like 2 patches
tame garden
left hatch
i ran with a BM hunter for the first time all season yesterday.... its really awesome how easily a good BM can take care of enchanted emisaries without sacrificing... bascially any dps
warm plinth
My hunter would 100% disagree with you on that one ๐
What did they do to not sacrifice DPS?
sand egret
inc CnS major question?
ionic fern
Just arcane shot it
warm plinth
Idk the fucking suspense is killing me though
left hatch
Idk enough about BM to give you a complete answer, but what i noticed was micromanaging Hati to stay on pack
distant crystal
Target with multi?
sand egret
i need to know
warm plinth
BM doesn't even have Arcane Shot
left hatch
and just personally attacked the enchanted
warm plinth
Ah that would make sense
sand egret
he could just swap his autos over
warm plinth
Since most of their damage would be Beast Cleave
sand egret
it doesn't take much to keep it back
warm plinth
And KC
distant crystal
Fun fact
warm plinth
You can't spam that though. It eats a lot of focus, like 50 per cast or something
distant crystal
Getti bleed knocks it back
distant crystal
Each tick
warm plinth
Which I think is our issue
ionic fern
You only shoot like every 3rd gcd
random urchin
Heโs probably just doing concussive and cobra shot while leaving pet on packs
ionic fern
You use it in rotation regardless to get Kill command back.
distant crystal
Maybe focus cobras
random urchin
Yep
warm plinth
Hm actually I wonder if he is using concussive
Since you wouldn't have to hit it as much if it's slowed
Oh, yeah he is
random urchin
Can always stun it first with pet, then send pet to cleave pack, concussive once stun is up and 1 or 2 cobra shots after
Thatโs what I just started doing on my newbie hunter.
warm plinth
Yeah he usually uses Intimidation toward the end of its life so he can just ignore it from that point
random urchin
Or that
warm plinth
We've started having him pre-pull enchanteds and feigning too because some packs you can basically make it so you only have a couple seconds left on its life by the time you actually pull it as a group
hollow sluice
or can have the whole group throw snowball at it
warm plinth
What ๐
hollow sluice
i saw on nawoh stream, he made a macro with clap and throw snowball, i guess it doesnt count as gcd. it actually knocks the emissary
tame garden
random urchin
Snowball is off the gcd?
warm plinth
That's pretty funny
analog zinc
yeah snowball is off the GCD, if you macro it into stuff it auto knocks emmis
r8 my luck after gambling a total of 4 times on this char
26% chance to crit block normally, 69% during avatar, jesus
analog zinc
can you spell reflect azerite power shot in FH?
warm plinth
No
red dock
Its an aoe so shouldnt be able to
warm plinth
It'll reduce the damage like always but that's it
exotic spoke
You can reflect cyclone strike when youโre not targeted by cyclone strike
warm plinth
Yeah the fact that it's AoE doesn't matter. It just isn't reflectable.
There were a few aoe effects in Legion you could spell reflect, and even one ground effect
analog zinc
cool thanks
exotic spoke
Blocking the meteors on KJ was fun ๐
warm plinth
But was it as fun as reflecting Chaotic Energies on high tyrannical keys?!
warm plinth
What in the world is true damage
gaunt dawn
Shadow
@warm plinththere has been true dmg in the past
Ignores all mit has no school
gaunt dawn
Think last time was antorus
warm plinth
Neat. I did not know that was a thing. TIL ๐
cyan oar
Ok ^^
cyan oar
Yeah i'm boosting some friends through low dungs X)
analog swift
yo, does the root from cns major proc the x2 verse?
oblique garnet
Yes
analog swift
oh
grizzled glen
what kind of trinks do you guys use for mythic raiding?
chilly brook
Queens Court Mythic down yee yee
sick sentinel
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vale bobcat
any advice on handling the last platform of siege, do you focus the demolishers down or zerg the gripping asap?
analog swift
first demo
then go full on gripping
does anybody know if you cap conquest multiple times in one week, do you get tons of the cns things?
analog swift
wack
near ivy
capping conq and getting the reward from that =/= weekly chest
warm plinth
I did it!
undone sun
:claphq:
warm plinth
Thanks boo
warm plinth
Because you're an elitist prick
sick sentinel
Correct
wooden radish
storm prairie
warm plinth
I'll cut you
distant crystal
i riposte!
warm plinth
Who do you think you are, a rogue?
distant crystal
๐
ionic fern
Big boys.
warm plinth
Who would beat you? Don't think any of the others are even playing for shit right now
lol
tame garden
Gz on 2.5 riki
ionic fern
Hey, i'm playing. ๐ฆ
warm plinth
What are you at?
warm plinth
tame garden
I'll be pushing a bit this weekend maybe I can catch up again
exotic spoke
This week isn't too bad
tame garden
Our heal is gonna be busy tho
warm plinth
Too bad there aren't any very good weeks the rest of the season ๐
teem/volc/tyr probably the best one of what's left
warm plinth
Oof
ionic fern
It's super fun to play until you realize that it's Skittish week so BOTE + Sundering gets you killed instantly.
warm plinth
Hey you can relate to how I feel as a DH
exotic spoke
HOW HAVENT YOU SEEN THE LAST TWO AVENGERS MOVIES GHASH
ionic fern
What
exotic spoke
YOU HAVE HOMEWORK @warm plinth
warm plinth
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undone sun
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limpid pawn
Damn, this guy โboostโ from Korea is insane
brittle owl
the entire guild is insane
they do really degenerate stuff
but they can pull it off
their jaina strat was retarded af
but if it works, it works
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
brittle owl
heroic parses aren't hard
you just have to kill shit asap
which req your whole guild to chime in to achieve
can you 1 platform behemoth?
ionic fern
This late into tier it's pretty much cheese strats + fast kill timers jep.
So if your guild is horrible then you're out of luck.
brittle owl
it's only ashvane that you can cheese doe
ionic fern
Never undersetimate the chinese.
brittle owl
gorgo and zaqul don't really count
what is there to cheese on the other bosses? at most on behemoth you clap the closest pufferfish
maybe get a few players to go tank and get mc'd on QC
limpid pawn
Why does orgo and zaq not count?
strong forum
Cuz too many adds to pad on
limpid pawn
But even with that, getting 1 is tough. I tried my best
strong forum
Since you can focus on adds only and contribute literally nothing to the actual fight
limpid pawn
Yeah, I think one platforming behemoth will pretty much guarantee a top 3 slot
My guild might be able to, but I havenโt done heroic with them for a bit. Just pugging
strong forum
๐คทโโ๏ธ
marsh silo
in dungeons I feel overwhelmed with all the buttons to hit as prot
warm plinth
What do you usually play
strong forum
i mean thats basically every new class you play for the first time
brittle owl
imagine caring about parsing on a boss that doesn't give allstar points
ripe mason
Should I just use IP to prevent rage capping and block some incoming damage, or should I really dump all of my rage on it to get my big CDs back up?
Usually I just use it for the first option but I heard I was supposed to do the latter last night.
strong forum
avoid rage capping at all costs
rage you know you dont need for SB you can pump into IP / revenge
the goal is to generate and spend as much rage as possible
Capping IP is fine, capping rage isnt
i dont know what else to tell you
south yarrow
DK's best trinkets for general use are rezan and block?
glad ridge
question why arent there more gnome prot warriors? increased haste by 1% and an extra 5 rage is pretty legit
glad ridge
i play with pugs mostly and not every one is a night elf with shadowmeld
ionic fern
In all honesty . . just aesthetic
The racials while bringing some nieche uses are not a deciding factor for the majority of players.
stoic pilot
If Iโm gonna be a short race Iโd be dwarf otherwise going for aesthetic on human tbh
split plinth
the cd reduction on shieldblock from haste isn't capped right ?
stoic forge
female undead for days ๐
ebon geyser
Morning fellow tanks
tame garden
๐ป ๐
exotic spoke
Morning qtpies
exotic spoke
Rude
tame garden
๐ญ
tame garden
๐ญ ๐ญ ๐ญ
exotic spoke
Is he good with warrior?
tame garden
Yes
exotic spoke
You swapping prot then
exotic spoke
Very nice!
tame garden
Went back to druid to make ashvane smoother but I regret that decision now
Should have made the other alts swap back
brittle owl
it's always the bears fault
tame garden
I'm a dps atm