smh
#protection
exotic spoke
Hi tofu
lusty grotto
wdym more hours
warm plinth
I was on Gorefiend back in the day
sick sentinel
More hours as in a bit longer than no hours nim
lusty grotto
come to kirtonos classic guys we need fury warriors
also we gave BRE to a recruit last night
chilly brook
Anyways I think I'm gonna watch the new mandalorian episode while I edit these clips
lusty grotto
i was crying inside
exotic spoke
I’m doing a guild transfer when I get home from work. Made a new guild to transfer my gold, waited a week, and now I’m going to sargeras
outer dew
oh
sick sentinel
Lucky for you I just Grey parsed zaqul last night as fury nim
sick sentinel
You are recruiting an elite fury warrior to classic I hope you know
exotic spoke
Vision, but I’ve had a ton of people ask me why not theirs lol
outer dew
🤔
sick sentinel
But, if there are tentacles expect me to get hit
sand egret
a man of culture
lusty grotto
cause that's required
sand egret
i get hit by tentacles on Zaq cuz i'm too lazy to walk to the other side of the room
outer dew
any bells at all
sand egret
so i just get launched
sand egret
big brain play
sick sentinel
As prot I would get hit because I was lazy
warm plinth
Is that the fight that has the tentacle shoot through the wall
sand egret
yep, aka
lusty grotto
yes
sand egret
FREE MOVEMENT ABILITY
exotic spoke
Not new Tofu. Currently 6/8. They get close to CE (if they don’t get it) every tier
I don’t care about CE as a requirement.
sick sentinel
As fury I get hit because I switched my brain to dps mode and do not actually know what’s happening
warm plinth
I survived
lusty grotto
as a classic player, i never got hit by the stupid tentacle
sand egret
i'm basically a DH
warm plinth
I got boosted through heroic
sand egret
who needs fel rush when you got tentacles
lusty grotto
i got aotc with a pug, never set foot in that place again
exotic spoke
And we had an “in”
lusty grotto
on the 2nd week
outer dew
i see, i see
warm plinth
BUT
outer dew
because i frequently was guild hunting in sarg
warm plinth
it was easy, so I made a guide for other people
outer dew
and vision just wasn't ringing any bells
warm plinth
Kinda DH specific but I think it's idiotproof
exotic spoke
They were around in wod from wowprogress
warm plinth
Not sure I wanna share it with you now though
exotic spoke
Weak auras.... more like weak players amirite hawgz?
sick sentinel
Correct sir
lusty grotto
I love being a weak player
outer dew
if you don't have back pedal keybound, are you a real gamer?
warm plinth
No fuck Hawgz. I'm not being kept down by the elitist
sick sentinel
I have a food pedal to make my character go forward
lusty grotto
Also a weak player in classic 👌
outer dew
😂
lusty grotto
Listen man
warm plinth
What? You don't think it's idiotproof?
lusty grotto
We gotta have an intervention
sick sentinel
Classic is diarrhea in game form
warm plinth
😂
tame garden
Classic bad
lusty grotto
Well at least Mac and me is funny
warm plinth
Idk, I've laughed every time I've hit ctrl-V to be honest
lusty grotto
When does the patch hit
I just fucking remembered that I may have lost all of my auctions in the mail
Reeeeeeeeee
outer dew
lusty grotto
Tofu calm down
warm plinth
Come on Tofu, you have to build up to it!
lusty grotto
Yeah that was 0 effort
warm plinth
Make him think "he can't possibly be about to post that dumb shit again"
sand egret
you gotta lead into it
outer dew
he lead me into it
sand egret
it's like a rick roll
sand egret
can't just post that shit
warm plinth
You gotta be about to show a clip of Role Models
outer dew
he's not even properly
warm plinth
And then sneak it in
lusty grotto
warm plinth
😂
Have you seen the video of Paul Rudd trolling Conan Tofu?
Because you need to if you haven't
lusty grotto
Oh god
outer dew
tbh
lusty grotto
It's a video not an image, don't even think about it ghash
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
why do I have 3 pings
outer dew
you can ping me instead
exotic spoke
Hi kaege. It’s obviously because they missed you
sick sentinel
Can someone photoshop a Christmas hat on my avatar and repost it pls and thank u
warm plinth
Sorry @outer dew it took me forever to find the link. @lusty grotto should watch it too so he knows what Blade is talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgdnsYhDDk&feature=youtu.be
outer dew
LMAO
empty nacelle
okay that was good
empty nacelle
you seen him on hotones?
warm plinth
Nope
warm plinth
Oh, fine then
I thought someone else said that tbh
I watch that video every time it comes up and I laugh every time
outer dew
sick sentinel
Ah yes bless you
warm plinth
Yeah it's like an accelerated version I think, so you don't actually have to watch the whole clip every time
sick sentinel
I watch all YouTube videos at 5x speed for maximum information absorption
sick sentinel
My god
outer dew
i listen to my textbook at 100x text to speech
when i go to bed
to absorb the knowledge
outer dew
npnp
ionic fern
👌
outer dew
i gotchu
distant crystal
can someone put a christmas hat on my getti
warm plinth
😂
outer dew
mediocre at best
sand egret
oh, isn't that Ghash's pet name for you?
outer dew
nah
you see
He calls me kimchi
for my love of food
and his weebiness
and can't tell kimchi and kimochi apart
tbh
warm plinth
Isn't kimchi fermented cabbage that's buried in the ground for 2 months?
exotic spoke
Lol
outer dew
???
why
the fuck
LMAO
ghash
we don't live in the 1700s
we have refridgerators
distant crystal
outer dew
LMAO
neon tangle
exotic spoke
The fuck are those?
empty nacelle
ever had stinky tofu?
empty nacelle
i had it in taiwan
distant crystal
it's just like a fermented boiled egg right
warm plinth
@lusty grotto I want you to know that you broke my heart.
outer dew
eggs soaked in the mineral lime + baking soda + salt nowadays
empty nacelle
i could smell it from a block away
outer dew
i mean
if you despair at stinky tofu
open a bottle of shrimp paste
and despair
😂
outer dew
you saying
if i make you chow mein
you won't like?
chow mein stupid easy to make
🤔
warm plinth
Idk, I've never had it not from Panda Express
empty nacelle
i actually dont mind seafood smells, since ive worked a lot with that kind of stuff
distant crystal
chug some fish sauce
distant crystal
oof
warm plinth
Yeah imagine how I feel when we're intimate
distant crystal
i like it diluted in a meal but sipping it straight i would barf
sick sentinel
Prot warrior question
outer dew
nah
distant crystal
@sick sentinel stay on topic plz
outer dew
it's like tequilla
sick sentinel
Ah jk I know everything
empty nacelle
your taste buds must be fucked
outer dew
🤔
misery
with the boys
i can do it because I use fish sauce in a lot of cooking
and don't mind the taste
my friends on the other hand
(:
distant crystal
i'm gonna snipe one of your keys Tofu
sick sentinel
I dig a hole, line it with a plastic bag and put fruit in it. Then I bury the bag. In 3 months I come back and drink the nectar
And that is how you make prison wine
distant crystal
gonna be watching that 20-24 channel
warm plinth
Also kimchi
outer dew
lmao
and the only intense fish sauce
i can think of
would be red boat
or if you actually use fish paste
but if you using the funky fish paste
you're making hella dank shit
😂
warm plinth
You're a funky fish paste
distant crystal
i need an adult
warm plinth
I need one too
warm plinth
Idk. You're so far away
warm plinth
bd's Mongolian BBQ
sick sentinel
Someone teach me something
tame garden
No
empty nacelle
do you know graham's number?
warm plinth
You get a free bowl on your birthday there
lusty grotto
why what happened
warm plinth
Don't fuckin hide from me Nim
exotic spoke
Tree(3)
warm plinth
I can't even look at you right now actually
exotic spoke
Is bigger than Graham’s number
lusty grotto
?
warm plinth
You didn't watch my video
warm plinth
You might have seen it before, but here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgdnsYhDDk&feature=youtu.be
modern brook
On the one I'm so happy its making math more accessible
On the other its killing my party tricks
exotic spoke
Isn’t it amazing?
modern brook
Fuck @lusty grotto 
warm plinth
ikr
exotic spoke
He’s so for not watching it
modern brook
Ur basically a youtube star
warm plinth
I am!
modern brook
Ghash paul
warm plinth
I don't wanna be that one; he pranks homeless people
sick sentinel
When do we think 8.3 will hit
oblique garnet
@terse flume
terse flume
oblique garnet
🤔
exotic spoke
sand egret
Jan 21st
exotic spoke
The question is... how high can I push before then
chilly brook
Man I'm loving The Mandalorian
sick sentinel
No way 8.3 is later than the 21st.
You say that but... blizzard
My theory is it will be delayed so that the next tier will be until late November of 2020
There's a difference between when 8.3 comes out and when the raid comes out.
Now we are splitting hairs kms
No.
Yes.
Then please do kys
chilly brook
I don't think 8.3 will be January at all
Not even close
Their systems aren't ready and their system design for shadowlands is all down to how corrupted gear is received
Sooooooooo
I'm thinking later rather than sooner
sick sentinel
Yeah you're right because they've NEVER dropped a new system and then scrambled to deal with it throughout it's first patch.
Cough azerite cough
What do you mean azerite was perfect from the start
Not to mention it's easier for them to test corrupted on live servers where the masses are and people can start seeing what degenerate build they can come up with and then fix it in time for Mythic week.
Just like they did for benthic...
Oh wait.
exotic spoke
I mean, one more push week can mean another 200+ points @strong forum
Going for 2800 now.
sick sentinel
And if they don't drop 8.3 into Feb that means the raid most likely won't drop until March.
And indications are that SL's beta is supposed to start April
I don’t know if I can handle EP until Feb
exotic spoke
Meh, gives me time on zaqul / azshara and pushing m+
sick sentinel
I don't know if I can handle beguiling until Feb.
warm plinth
I don't know if I can handle Banshee until Feb
sick sentinel
You can't.
exotic spoke
Beguiling isn’t bad
exotic spoke
It’s also not saying much saying reaping was better
You have two extremes with infested and reaping imo
I think beguiling is a good middle ground
sick sentinel
Beguiling is way closer to infested than reaping.
exotic spoke
like I said, I don’t mind it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
Be careful what you wish for too; for all we know Corrupted might be worse than Infested 😏
sick sentinel
I agree it’s a middle ground in terms of difficulty. But there are weeks where beguiling is more cancer than others which is basically like adding a 5th affix which bothers me
exotic spoke
Yes hawgz, I can see that
sick sentinel
Just my opinion which does not mean anything lol
exotic spoke
But it’s a valid opinion - and you recognize that it’s not a fact
Honestly, void is annoying, tides is dangerous, and enchanted is easymode
sick sentinel
That is fact
warm plinth
The sleeper enchanted is the one by the worm in UR this week
sick sentinel
Nah corrupted is closer to beguiling.
exotic spoke
Though, tides now withpeople knowing Z-axis is easier
sick sentinel
I mean
Reaping
I miss reaping
What a fun time
You can pull to your groups potential with reaping and corrupted.
Your pulls are significantly hindered with infested and beguiling.
exotic spoke
You can do the same usually in beguiling Tbf
Did a ML last week and only had 1 void (on a void week)
warm plinth
Corrupted doesn't even really have stackability though does it? Like you basically have to kill them alone unless you do them with the last boss?
exotic spoke
Yeah pretty much from what I understand
sick sentinel
It doesn't but you get to pull the dungeon how you please.
warm plinth
Yeah I think that's good too but it's gonna slow you down as well, just in its own way
exotic spoke
That is super nice in all honesty
sick sentinel
Yeah I am a fan that i no longer have to plan pulls around an affix
That type of affix, I mean
warm plinth
Well, you may still have to plan WHAT you pull
because you have to do all 4 obelisks
exotic spoke
I think you will plan pulls around corruption though. Because it’s a free shroud
sick sentinel
Nope cause I only do a 12
With beguiling you don't get to do that. 9 times out of 10 you have to pull around beguiling.
exotic spoke
Lol
sick sentinel
+12 gamer right here
Even though for the first time in my life next seaso I will have motivation to m+
Gibs me the mount
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel I can help you with that. Let me send you a DM
sick sentinel
Help me with WAT
exotic spoke
I have some great players that can help you with getting that achievement for the right price
sick sentinel
Let's see pulling around an affix that gives you a benefit or pulling around an affix that makes mobs unCCable.
Which would I rather have?
exotic spoke
sick sentinel
If I get to sit at the beginning of each dungeon and afk you have a deal
You do
That or I actively work against the group while they are pulling
And remember I'll give you a better deal than Riki
I will pay more for that option
exotic spoke
In honesty, I’m reserving judgement. The fact that you have to have these 4 pulls by them selves will slow down a dungeon
Will that be offset by the shrouds they give? Who knows right now
@sick sentinel lets be civil here. I take 5 and you take 5?
sick sentinel
6
exotic spoke
50/50 split is fair is it not?
sick sentinel
12 dungeons next season
sick sentinel
Pepega
outer dew
🤔
pull around beguiling?
outside of damage reflect
i just pulled things on top of things
when memeing on 15's
exotic spoke
Enchanted is nothing
exotic spoke
Tides are the dangerous ones
outer dew
undergeared with that
exotic spoke
I don’t have problems with that. My havoc DH taunts tides usually. and or abuse Z axis
sick sentinel
Magic autos
outer dew
if my cunt of a DH
sick sentinel
Mmmmm
outer dew
has to taunt it
oblique garnet
🤔
exotic spoke
Hi late
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel he taunts it if we can’t z axis abuse it depending on the pull. It’s so we can interrupt some spells
outer dew
oh
sick sentinel
Oh I am 100% meme at this point
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet are you coming back to prot?
outer dew
i don't care about interrupt bitch
exotic spoke
I know you are man 🙂
outer dew
60% of the time
sick sentinel
Who cares about enchanted?
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke Wdym? i never stopped playing prot
sick sentinel
That's a healers problem
outer dew
me
because
i pull retard size
and watched people get one shot
when we fuck up on reflect
😂
exotic spoke
Pushing high keys. Also I thought you did for azshara?
sick sentinel
Well don't pull it on top of the reflect? Hello?
oblique garnet
I mean i have killed it on both monk and warrior
outer dew
sometimes
sick sentinel
Or... Communicate?
outer dew
you just gotta be a man
oblique garnet
i dont play m+ on my monk other than ww
exotic spoke
Fair enough. I just thought I remember you saying azshara on warrior was aids
oblique garnet
yeah it is
exotic spoke
And also io on warrior 😦
oblique garnet
I dont have a group to push with and cba pushing rn
exotic spoke
Ahhh aight
sick sentinel
Azshara on warrior was awful
oblique garnet
I did a 19 wcm earlier with russian pugs and streamed it if you want a vod to watch 🤷♀️
exotic spoke
Thanks for the inspiration and what I have to look forward to. Fml
Also, I’m good. I’ve done WCM enough two weeks ago 🙂
oblique garnet
I mean i timed it fairly easily with no comms
exotic spoke
Oh yeah it’s easy.
ebon geyser
i heard russian players are like ragnaros and quelthalas players in the us
exotic spoke
2 chesting WM 19 like 3-4 times 2 weeks ago
exotic spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique garnet
m+ this season is boring
sick sentinel
Game this season is boring
exotic spoke
I see how it is late
oblique garnet
Hm?
exotic spoke
I’m kidding
oblique garnet
I mean are you enjoying beguiling?
distant crystal
i like beguiling better than reaping
exotic spoke
Actually I don’t mind it and never tofu
I wouldn’t say it’s better than reaping - but I do enjoy the variety and changing the pulls
distant crystal
i mean reaping was kinda fun, who doesn't like blasting aoe
but it was kinda braindead
ghuunies and beguiling make you think a little more imo
oblique garnet
Not really
oblique garnet
Its all about how you avoid the beguiling
exotic spoke
....
.......
............
I’m not chip
I think part of S1 was I hated the game and were warriors where .
Almost quit - partially do to burnout but other factors contributed
sick sentinel
Not knowing me
exotic spoke
Yeah you right
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet do you know what bug is in the game to skip HM King Mechagon?
sick sentinel
Dm me thanks
cerulean tusk
What is the avg dps (overall) you guys do in m+15 this week?
sick sentinel
Yogurt still benched. Oof
cerulean tusk
After checking logs, it seems like I am doing more than fine - crisis averted. Have a great one peeps 
next plover
How badly will all this magic damage hurt us in the new raid?
Like looking at the list of magic abilities it seems quite high
light lynx
A decent amount, there aren't many fights that fit into our niche, while we'll be fine to get through without falling over instantly for the most part, we're appreciably weaker than we were in aep
exotic spoke
I mean, if you’re saying that based on the preach video please take that with a grain of salt.
The tank meta predictions are very often wrong. They also discount the physical damage.
warm plinth
lul
royal fjord
There’s something oddly fun about Prot I can’t put my finger on it
I think it’s the thunderclap spam tbh,
ebon geyser
clappy boi life
light lynx
nah I'm basing it off of ptr testing, we'll still be viable for mythic prog, but we just won't be as relatively strong imo
vision buff will be nice for us on some fights, but our mitigation isn't as useful for the damage profile of many fights
or it just isn't as good as some of the other tanks
exotic spoke
Then you’re the minority. The majority of people have been quoting preach
next plover
Yeah okay
I am I have my BrM as back up locked and loaded ready to go if needed for mythic prog
But I really dislike the idea of running two tanks
So hopefully I can get prot to work
next plover
Well I dont normally but you know how it goes cows go moo dogs bark and GM/RL expect copy and paste meta success lol
Plus I guess I just want to be prepared just in case
exotic spoke
Nah. Not all of them 🙂
sick sentinel
They don’t pay your sub
near ivy
RL cant complain that you play (insert class) if you perform better than they do : )
sick sentinel
Correct
latent sail
Quick question. Guides say to use force multiplier on weapon, is that correct or do I use the haste enchant?
warm plinth
It is correct.
latent sail
K. Thanks. Thought I had seen something in here the other day saying haste enchant.
left hatch
At least start of Season 3 Haste enchant has a smidge more defensive value... when its active. But being a proc that you can't control that defensive benefit is more or less moot, and you get more value from the output of Force Multiplier.
junior ivy
Hi
undone sun
Hi
analog zinc
grats
left hatch
I'm waiting for the squash to lvl my other tank flavors
warm plinth
So what did you do?
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Eh, 70% faster leveling is nothing to laugh at though.
west galleon
yeah but even if you do a level a day you'd get almost 3 tanks leveled to 120 before shadowlands
warm plinth
Yeah, for sure
grand drum
Afk korraks while doing something else
ebon geyser
@left hatch get to 60 and korrack to 120
fringe folio
Just started with my prot... currently running aegis and lucid as minor. Got a rank 3 CoF and yesterday got rank 1 VoP. It seems VoP is preferred for m+, but also when rank is just 1?
onyx vessel
It does basically the same thing r1 as r3 so ye
fringe folio
Alright thanks
flat jackal
What do you guys think will be the edict + urchin of 8.3?
brittle owl
sounds good
sick sentinel
is that not good?
oblique garnet
@flat jackal dont think theres better alternatives looking at the raid trinkets
flat jackal
:/ that’s what I thought as well. This tier’s tank trinkets look so.. lackluster
@oblique garnet do you know if the Lingering Psychic shell from nzoth works like ignore pain?
oblique garnet
Havent had the chance to test it
oblique garnet
@flat jackal i think for next tier dungeon trinkets will play bigger role since i dont see any of the raid trinkets being as good as this tier
tired hawk
Hi guys
I'm always struggling against the shadow of Zul in KR, how can I make it easier ?
sick sentinel
skip it
tired hawk
so I guess it's a pain for everyone ?
flat jackal
Warrior sucks against magic damage as is and Zul is just one giant wave of magic damage
olive sparrow
does that mean we'll have problems next raid tier?
with all the magic/ticking dmg coming
sick sentinel
@tired hawk no , you literally can just skip it
@olive sparrow yes
Warriors are considered the lower tier of the raid tanks
dark lark
@tired hawk rotate/stagger your cooldowns and healer externals while you spam ignore pain
When all else fails you can heroic leap out of zuls cast range as long as your healer is aware
And sorta kite him
tired hawk
I see, thank you @sick sentinel @dark lark for the answers
but I will not bother, I'll just skip it I guess
kindred coral
@sick sentinel what makes you say that warriors are the lower tier? Do you have any logs to show this?
sick sentinel
Warriors blow with magic, entire next tier is magic
BDK/ Monk/ VDH/ and bear are going to preform Defensively better than warrior
I don't know about prot pally
ionic fern
While there are some bosses in the new tier where magic damage is a decent/most of the damage taken, physical damage is still relevant on the majority of the bosses and this is where warriors shine at. Even with magic damage warriors still have tools to deal with them like SR/SW/DS/IP/LS. Remember that all the tanks will get hit harder by magic damage and are more healer reliant.
Warriors will not be the "go-to" pick for the world first runs and rushing guilds etc but we'll be just fine in the new tier. People are just blowing the magic damage part of the new tier out of proportion.
primal crypt
next plover
I admit earlier I was a bit concerned about it
But after some reading around it still seems the bulk of damage is physical
That's not to say the magic damage is ignorable but its more in my mind a different kind of burst which you as a tank would look to mitigate naturally anyways
But who knows maybe I am missing something
maiden oasis
hello i new at prot warri what is the best offhand from m+ ?
undone sun
The one with the highest ilevel
thorny laurel
Question about PvP: Does Morale Killer cause the damage increase from Booming Voice to work for other players besides yourself as well?
undone sun
Not sure but, I wouldn't bet on it
BV is a whitelisted ability, haven't seen one to whitelist other classes abilities as well
thorny laurel
I see
fleet cedar
Hi folks, I'm hoping someone can advise me in my top gear selection dilemma:
1h weapon ilvl 430 with socket
VS
1h weapon ilvl 440 without socket
Usually an item with socket wins. However, I can imagine the rules differ in weapon selection.
autumn pendant
Higher ilvl
warm plinth
The item with socket wins rule does not apply for prot warriors.
Unless it’s two items of equal ilevel and one has a socket
fleet cedar
Cheers Razonko! Would your answer be the same if the ilvl difference was only 5?
E.g.
1h wpn ilvl 430 with socket
VS
1h wpn ilvl 435 without socket
Oh, thanks Ghash120ETD. That answers my question :).
sick sentinel
Be careful with ghash he will tel you you are bad and smell if you let him
fleet cedar
lol
Whatever floats his boat :).
Btw, is the answer the same for rings? I can imagine a socket has more value than 10 ilvls.
Thanks in advance.
warm plinth
Wait what
Don't listen to Hawgz. He's a toxic elitist.
You can drop 10 ilevels on a ring for a socket.
fleet cedar
Cheers!
mossy crypt
Guys, I finally got my nullifikationdynamo, in heavy spell dmg M+, which essence u trade for nullifikation? lucid dreams or aegis ?
warm plinth
Tbh there's not actually a lot of use for null in dungeons
chilly brook
@fleet cedar for a 5ilvl difference on a weapon sim yourself to be sure but for example a 5ilvl lower axe with socket from zaqul was still simming lower than my 440 cleaver
mossy crypt
Seriously ? I dont know how to face a Motherlode +17 or something like that when the adds after the first boss almost kills you with one spell if there is a tide emi in it
sick sentinel
that's self play
chilly brook
Root the tides
sick sentinel
or you can just y axis it????
mossy crypt
& if you dont have cc for her? ^^
mossy crypt
So there is no option for us to survive against heavy spell dmg ?
warm plinth
Spell Reflect, Shield Wall, Demo Shout
chilly brook
If you don't have cc for her have a melee dps taunt her and move her out of the group in worst case
ionic fern
It will soak one and you will die to the next 3 in that situation.
mossy crypt
Ye well ofc there are options like this, but dont know , thought there will be something to do for me to get harder against spell dmg
chilly brook
Although tbh
ionic fern
While creating a grp just try to find someone who can perma cc it or skip it and pull other things.
chilly brook
In the packs in motherlode
The most dangerous one isn't even interruptable to begin with
warm plinth
Like, null is what, like 40k absorb every 15 seconds? So like Mwahi said, you're gonna soak (part) of one of those casts, then the rest would truck you anyway. The play there is for them to not get the casts off.
sick sentinel
33k absorb every 10 seconds
warm plinth
Just logged in. 35k absorb every 15 seconds. Which is definitely not saving you from a rock lance (or two) to the face. Not even gonna really make a difference on a high fortified key
chilly brook
I can't remember if the masterminds or w/e they're called can be stunned
warm plinth
They can't I don't think
But pulling them is a mistake in your strategy tbh
There's zero reason to do that trash
If your comp doesn't have a brez then make someone learn engineering lul
chilly brook
I'm just curious cuz those tbh are the most dangerous
warm plinth
Oh, yeah, those and the weapons testers are the worst
But weapons testers can be kicked I think?
chilly brook
I try not to grab them if I can help it
Yes they can
But you know how it goes
Someone always ass pulls the pat
warm plinth
lul
mossy crypt
Well thx for your answers, so i farmed the shit for no reasen 😦
warm plinth
It's good for raid DPS at rank 3
warm plinth
Ah, RIP
chilly brook
But I don't remember the packs after the first boss being a problem in fortified even without casts being stopped
@mossy crypt well, purification will probably be good next tier
So it wasn't for nothing
mossy crypt
Ye, I am farming for purification now, also its good in AoE DpS in M+ yet
chilly brook
No you can't slot them
With the new essence you can steal them
But he was saying he's fury in raid but farmed mechagon for null
chilly brook
And purification will probably be pretty good next tier for dps since there are so many aberrations
mossy crypt
Yea, well means 40 more chests of spare parts to farm 😄
sacred roost
wierd question: but is there anything you can "farm" for benthic gear?
warm plinth
You can kinda farm rares I guess
chilly brook
The rep is the worst part
warm plinth
Easier nowadays since no one really cares about them
Rares can drop like 2-7 pearls (but not guaranteed I don't think)
sacred roost
did that already, for mana pearls 🙂
chilly brook
Got every character slot full with a 120 doing pearls on all of them?
warm plinth
pretty sure just about anything can drop the tokens as well so I guess you could just go on a murder spree across Nazjatar
But that's not ideal since you could get a token you don't need
sacred roost
yeah, most of em need em for gear upgrades.
chilly brook
Eh
warm plinth
Your alts do? I don't even use benthic to gear alts except the base tokens at this point
chilly brook
Imo I don't think benthic is really all that good as "catch up" gear
warm plinth
Yeah it's actually kinda shit as catch up gear
Takes too many pearls to upgrade shit
sacred roost
I just started replaying a paladin I haven't played since the start of the expansion
sacred roost
and i think bracers, gloves and belt are BiS if youcan get em with gem slots
warm plinth
Well for raid DPS, yeah
chilly brook
BiS in raid*
warm plinth
But not for just general alt gearing
chilly brook
And only in raid
And tbh
Benthic isn't worth it
I've got purple parses in mythic with no benthic and the tier is winding down
It'd probably take you until close to the end of the tier to get everything you wanted socketed socketed
sacred roost
wish you could send the augmented packs from mechagon to different chars.
lkike, wish they where accound bound 😦
warm plinth
What are those?
sacred roost
the rings/trinkets you make
warm plinth
Ohh, right
chilly brook
Hell
Spamming timewalking this week would be a better way to gear alts than benthic lol
sacred roost
that's my plan
warm plinth
I don't even do the TW weekly anymore.
chilly brook
I don't on my main
warm plinth
They're such a headache and unless I get a juicy forge it's not an upgrade
warm plinth
At least it's Cata this time which are probably the best set
Except maybe BC, though BC has Arcatraz
chilly brook
Nah dude wod is the best 🙃
warm plinth
I actually did those for the first time. They weren't BAD but definitely some pug killing mechanics in a couple of them
chilly brook
Tbh I actually really liked wod dungeons
Yea some of the bosses you actually had to try
warm plinth
I only hung around in WoD long enough to get level cap; never did the dungeons until the last WoD TW
The uh
The one bird one?
That was the worst
chilly brook
Yea
warm plinth
Where you have to hide behind the pillar and kite the sun things
chilly brook
The ogre dungeon was a close second
sacred roost
still gonna need benthic for the azerite though
warm plinth
Why's that
Find someone to carry you through like...an 11 or some shit and just buy two 430s next week. Plus I'm pretty sure there's an azerite emissary right now
So wait til you get enough shit to make it 415, then do that. Ez 2x 430 and 1x 415. That'll hold you over til you can get some 445s
oblique garnet
@warm plinth the mastermind trash isnt particularly hard since you can dispel the energy lash nowadays also all the runs ive done ml this season the ones without major deathskips have been much faster
chilly brook
@warm plinth if you can do a 15 you should have enough for 3 430s
I almost had enough for 2 430s and a 415 after a 12 on my dk
Jk you can't get 3 430s
But you can do the 2 430s and a 415
warm plinth
@oblique garnet You're a run you've done without major deathskips that have been much faster
GOTTEM
tame garden
Doing R&D trash 🤔
oblique garnet
Idk why people are still avoiding r&d trash
analog zinc
because its signifigantly harder than the rest of the trash in the dungeon
& much harder to pull big
oblique garnet
Not really
analog zinc
due to interupts
oblique garnet
Same applies to the beginning trash with interrupts
analog zinc
but you can still pull a lot more in the start
oblique garnet
You pull more peacekeepers for count but you waste more time doing that where as you could progress througout the dungeon
analog zinc
no?
getting % isn't wasting time
since you just death skip
the answer is: its faster to get % elsewhere then to do R&D
that's why you skip it
outer dew
Ehh
Tbh
It's not that much faster
And there's actually some risky trash in the beginning if maybe wrong
Theres a ton of things that either require interrupts, border line one shot you, etc.
junior ivy
Hi
ionic fern
Hi.
prisma vortex
What Azerites do i play with engineering head for m+ tanking?
strong forum
DC + RNG are the most popular
dark lark
For fat pulls that might take a bit longer, do you guys typically stagger your cooldowns? I.E. BOM Avatar w/ Demo shout, then Shield Wall, then call for external, then BOM Avatar w/ Demo shout again?
or do you blow everything all at once
and could you even stagger avatar and demo shout
mental scarab
Blow them all and pray that your dps are good 🤓
ionic fern
Just don't use things like LS/SW together.
And you'll be fine.
Avatar/demo together is good for the increased dmg etc.
distant crystal
i don't ever really think about avoiding LS/SW together
i don't really use LS as an oh shit button, just filling in SB gaps
if i need to wall during that i do it 🤷♀️
vague badge
Is prot preferred over BrM at the highest m+ stages ?
autumn pendant
Cant say it is
jade socket
Next season it’s expected that warrior will be the go to again for meta tank
mint needle
For the weekly M+ chest, does it matter what loot specialization I am to loot DPS trinkets? I mean, do I have to be arms/fury to have a chance for them or can I stay prot?
potent anvil
There aren't specific dps trinkets from m+, so you can stay prot loot spec and have them in your loot table.
wooden radish
@ionic fern hi
oblique garnet
Isnt vial specified as dps only trinket ?
mint needle
Thanks for the info!
uncut citrus
Hello.. im offspecing tank and got 415 weapons from mechagon (Fusion Hacker - the DoT proc) and that sword with crit/haste secondaries.. may i ask you, what is better just in pure dps standpoint? the DoT proc or the stats? i have no idea if raibots can sim tank specs.. =X
near ivy
it can sim tank
next plover
Does anyone have a link to a good IP WA? Trying to find one that can indicate the strength of the IP if possible
brisk ferry
ebon lark
How much of a difference is there between BV and Devastator, because being honest, spamming Devastate is killing my hands not as young as i use to be
warm plinth
In AoE, a big difference. But I'm not sure why you're spamming Devastate 🤔
ebon lark
leveling so all i have is Devastate shield slam, and thunderclap to really use
also once i hit endgame, i mained warrior in legion but i guess the reason i could handle it is because during my downtime i wasn't spamming devastate as everything else was on CD
i had devastator
warm plinth
I mean, Legion had a higher APM than we have now because you were literally just fucking hammering keys. It's still high APM but not as high
ebon lark
just seems harder on my hand and wrist in BfA for some reason
chilly brook
@Zal#3782 1) in ape it's a big loss to use devastator in dungeons and aoe situations, 2) deva is a big single target gain but you're also sacrificing survivability, 3) you shouldn't be spamming devastate that much to begin with
Oh
I see the guy left
warm plinth
He didn't like the fax
warm plinth
I wish I'd gotten his character name so I could check in a few days to see if he's running Deva lol
Yeah like...he's talking about BV vs Devastator but at the level you get that talent row, you literally have all of your abilities so...
Idk why he would be pressing Devastator that much
chilly brook
No clue
warm plinth
And if a spell is hurting your hand, move it to a different fuckin keybinding 4head
chilly brook
Truueeeee
chilly brook
Meh it's a sizable rep difference between not doing the dailies and doing the dailies
warm plinth
I know but you can just do the WQ and fuck it for today
chilly brook
I could
warm plinth
And still make noticeable progress
chilly brook
But like I'm 6.5 days away from null rank 3 rep
And skipping the dailies would obviously increase that
chilly brook
My performance
warm plinth
6.5 days sounds like you can miss half of a day and still finish in the same time
warm plinth
Are you NA horde Griff?
chilly brook
Yea
warm plinth
Just curious
chilly brook
Couldn't catch me eu or alliance, nope couldn't be me chief
chilly brook
Don't sound so heartbroken 🙃
warm plinth
lol
limber pagoda
HELP! what name plate are you guys using!?
warm plinth
Plater
chilly brook
I'm just using elvui plates
Tbh sometimes
I feel like saying fuck it and just rolling dps for keys
limber pagoda
i notice that some name ui shows buffs that can be despellable. and the one i am using dont show that or dont know how to set it up correctly
analog zinc
kuinameplates
limber pagoda
i ma using nameplateKAI
analog zinc
i wish i knew how to see dispellable buffs on kui
it only shows them if you're able to dispell them
which there's other ways around that kinda stuff outside of pure dispells
orchid raptor
Any good video guides you guys recommend me watching?
Mostly because of the defensive CDs usage
chilly brook
@orchid raptor there's not much to know for defensive usage, prioritize shield block against blockable damage and pop last stand to fill shield block gaps. SW if you need it or to cover gaps. Dump excess rage into ignore pain
chilly brook
@orchid raptor that being said I have an older video guide that I can link you but it'll have some caveats and some out of date info since it was 8.0
ember flume
i'm new to warrior and was wondering if I should follow the m+ section in the icy veins guide
or is there a different guide somewhere that has stat priority/azerite etc (if I plan to primarily just be doing m+)
next plover
Icy veins should serve you well as a starting point
chilly brook
@ember flume your stat priority is ilvl and from there you can sim for dps
ember flume
Awesome. The azerite trait priority remains the same though? Visions + lucid + sphere?
chilly brook
I mean imo you could swap out lucid for conflict and strife
chilly brook
and sphere could also flex out into crucible
Yes typically you want visions major
but in higher keys like Motherlode where half the dungeon isn't blockable there is an argument to be made for Undying for major
You could also run Lucid in major as well
There's a good bit of flexibility and I'd just encourage you to experiment a little bit but you can also just sit Visions major permanently and be completely fine
in hectic add cleave conflict rank 3 minor is like 2k dps
tidal sleet
Motherlode has a very strong argument for null. Thanks to rixa
ember flume
thanks for the advice all
reef wadi
Hi guys New to prot Warrior just a little question any good reads about how to actualy tank with it or what is prio ?
tiny olive
So looking at the sheet that shows how much we can SR or block does this mean we are going to be relying on IP for much of the 8.3 raid?
Is it just for those specific abilities that we'd want to ensure we have it up for (outisde of normal IP usage I mean)?
Just seems like any class that depends on block like us is kinda getting the shaft a bit :/
lilac meteor
Im completly struggling with M+ this week... I just have the feeling that I can not tank anything... not aggro wise more sustain whise...
signal pine
Did anyone have issues with pug tanking anxiety and has tips to overcome it? Somehow I'm just so terrified of underperforming during keys.
I've never had that with healing in other mmo's, first time playing a tank..
signal pine
... that's not bad advice actually lol
distant crystal
but really, you're playing the most in-demand role in keys. just try your best to learn and play well, and be receptive of constructive criticism/suggestions
a lot of tanks are downright assholes, and i think it's a sort of way of coping with that anxiety. a middle ground is good tho
next plover
Yeah I feel like quite a bit of that comes from the fact that heaps of dps have opinions which offer little value
And the end result is a somewhat jaded tank
orchid raptor
@chilly brook yeah that would be ok, just need visual examples of using it, im not used to having these many defensives
should i use last stand in conjunction with rallying cry?
in a m+ env
chilly brook
Non
No
Rallying cry is a group utility spell
Last stand is something you don't hold on to you use it liberally to cover shield block gaps
@orchid raptor https://youtu.be/p4M73w_EOH4 here's the link, a few caveats though off the top of my head
- IP is now off the gcd use it to dump excess rage, never cap if you can help it (which you should be able to since it's off the gcd)
- you no longer sacrifice a huge amount of ilvl for DC (15 or so at most) the resources list in the guides tab in this discord are much more up to date and I would look at that for azerite trait help
- after you extend your demoralizing shout 3x shield slam will become your primary priority unless you're in aoe then prioritize TC unless you need a lot of rage at once which you'll go back to using shield slam as top priority
- essences aren't covered because old guide
- devastator is worth taking in single target situations but will be vastly outperformed in dungeons and aoe fights by booming voice
But yea it's out of date somewhat but should help you see where to use things like last stand or shield wall
chilly brook
Aaaaaaannnnnnd now I'm a sad panda, RIP infinite DC extension and old Unstoppable Force
crystal dirge
Hi, I am currently planning to run 3x Bloodsport 1x BoM 1x DC and 1x Undulating for Azshara mythic, but that build lacks BfI, I can drop 1x Bloodsport and 1x Undulating to get it. Do you think that's worth? Also I can swap Bloodsports to Reckless Fury if the extra heals are not necessary.
mental scarab
Dont think anyone use BS
chilly brook
I don't think 3x bloodsport is worth it in general
chilly brook
Possibly next tier bloodsport might pick up more defensive value
crystal dirge
I'll go more offensive then, just glanced at some logs and noticed a lot of ppl using 1-3 BSs
chilly brook
Could have more to do with what they have available or they're going for healing parses lol
oblique garnet
@crystal dirge how far along are you in progress?
crystal dirge
@oblique garnet I am joining a new guild and they are famed, but I've never tanked her, only did that fight as SP so far, so I was pretty lost 😄 atm I'll have 3x RF 1x BoM 1x BfI and 1x DC with RFs interchangeable for BoMs should the need arise
oblique garnet
Its hardly necessary to run bs on azshara its more about knowing how your class can deal with the encounter and getting used to the fucked up spell queues
crystal dirge
Yeh those ppl were probably heal logging with those setups, I just had a friend say something similar so didn't question it myself. We'll see tonight, bit stressed about tanking again, my old guild asked me to swap off to SP in favor of a brewmaster, so a bit rusty
oblique garnet
Which of the adds are you tanking in p1 ?
crystal dirge
No idea yet but I'd say the melee one for lower risk
oblique garnet
you should tank the caster
the melee one leaves the debuff which actually hurts and if you have brm he can dodge all of them
crystal dirge
Makes sense, what setup do you run for it btw?
oblique garnet
We do 2 clears we have brm+bdk and brm+prot warrior for azshara atm
We have done it with brm+dh aswell
next plover
Bloody BrMs lol
crystal dirge
And what azerites do you take?:D