#protection
tame garden
brittle owl
i like your timezone @ionic fern
tame garden
exotic spoke
shut summit
🇨🇦
wooden radish
@strong forum 😉
strong forum
お兄さん
lucid dew
does anyone have any thoughts on the new essences and if they are going to be worth using
the cheat death seems interesting
i imaigne we will mostly always use conflict and strife and null as minors
exotic spoke
I predict some of the new essences will be used because of corruption reduction
And also, what content are you talking about
lucid dew
eh sorry for most raid fights
strong forum
si patron
lucid dew
assuming there isnt a specific boss mechanic
strong forum
thats why im currently grinding null and cns on vdh
strong forum
on warri im set for life
exotic spoke
Then why the VDH?
tame garden
exotic spoke
Oof
strong forum
and im pretty much skillcap at warri, at vdh i still suck
lucid dew
im still debating if i wanna level up a bdk
strong forum
so thats something to learn
lucid dew
i bet we still end up using vision of perfection major mostly right
lucid dew
you think that cheat death one might be the one to use for pushing raid content
warm plinth
Doubt it tbh, unless it can cheese mechanics
exotic spoke
What ever gives you the most dps
warm plinth
Which it very likely can't
strong forum
like we already had a cheat death trinket that nobody used
guess how useful the essence will end up
strong forum
😉
whatever gives the most DPS is what tanks are gonna run
unless your name is sco and sloot
exotic spoke
^^
lucid dew
this aoe taunt major seems retarded ha
is breath of the dying going to outperform crucible of flame?
woah it looks worse
wooden radish
@exotic spoke i don't know what the scenario is for Prot Warrior but for Prot Paladin, one of the new essences is BIS as a minor.
lucid dew
which one?
wooden radish
formless void
the cheat essence is good if you can play around it
19 seconds of 50% DR or more
lucid dew
im sure we will wanna use at least one of hte new essences for the corruption resistance
we are getting another slot
wooden radish
ya, formless void
strong forum
that much is obv
wooden radish
primary stat proc when someone uses an essence including your own
using CoF, I had 70% uptime on the PTR
add in 19 people, you'll get to 90-100% np
lucid dew
thats prob a lot better for raid than m+ right?
exotic spoke
@wooden radish that was one of the 2-3 I was looking at. I think for m+ your essences are going to be comp specific
strong forum
breath of the dying is fire dmg thingy
warm plinth
You're fire dmg thingy
strong forum
🔥
wooden radish
you can only use the first one as a tank
exotic spoke
I only play prot 🙂
lucid dew
do you think there is any shot they are going to make essences account wide
or is that completely ruled out
undone sun
nope
lucid dew
ah damn
wooden radish
🙂
strong forum
0%
strong forum
eh its like 3 weeks
warm plinth
It's really not that bad. It's just having to do it
brittle owl
it really is bad doe
one alt i could stomach
more than 1
🤮
already hate mechagon and nazj
and i loved them at the start
lucid dew
yea i played prot and vdh so im good on those
in 8.2
but i wanted to get the other 4 tanks their essences but so lazy ha
wooden radish
imagine not 2 boxing for essences
brittle owl
imagine 2 boxing
lucid dew
i dont 2 box ha
wooden radish
imagine playing wow
lucid dew
haha
warm plinth
Imagine being a cat
brittle owl
no, he has a point
wooden radish
imagine being a flerken
warm plinth
What the hell is a flerken
brittle owl
have been playing kotor 2 because i got physically sick bcs bote grind
wooden radish
google it 🙂
warm plinth
Well that was interesting
undone sun
imagine
brittle owl
i
exotic spoke
Now that songs in my head Thyme
wooden radish
warm plinth
√-1
undone sun
which
exotic spoke
Imagine
undone sun
oh
wooden radish
why do we need external emotes when i can just spam gifs
sullen peak
Yo guys, i've been asked to tank some raids for today, been only running m+ so i would have a question regarding azerite traits for raiding
wooden radish
brittle owl
wooden radish
@sullen peak go ahead, you're on the air
sullen peak
so, they asked me to pop as much dmg as possible and this is what i can come up with:
tame garden
sullen peak
2x reckless flurry, 2x brace for impact, 1x blood rites, 1x swirling sands, 2x overwhelming power
brittle owl
anything else for that blood rite
wooden radish
no bom, no DC
sullen peak
for single target dmg
undone sun
you still want one DC
sullen peak
it's heroic boost raid so no need for the defensive value
sullen peak
ST parsing yes
strong forum
Ye it's fine, altho the bloodrite is 🤔 what is the other option
undone sun
i wouldn't necessarily group st parsing and being told by guild to do more damage in the same category
brittle owl
the only eh thing is blood rite
exotic spoke
@tame garden you know that’s not true
wooden radish
you should be stacking callous reprisal smh
exotic spoke
Also, I tried to get a dps striked in gallywix
tame garden
@exotic spoke you're not true
sullen peak
well, i could swap it for blootsport or swap a chest and get callous
primal crypt
Hello bois
sullen peak
- brace
strong forum
No that's a meme
primal crypt
exotic spoke
@sullen peak if you only care about single target just sim your char but those look pretty good
strong forum
Stay as you are, it's fine
warm plinth
YAMORINO?
exotic spoke
A frost mage only did 3.5k more dps than I did in FH
strong forum
Run coral + inkpod or cyclo + inkpod
strong forum
That's a name I haven't seen in a while
primal crypt
So uh
sullen peak
im running cyclo + 450 socket butchers block from wcm
primal crypt
We running ravager yet?
undone sun
🗞️
brittle owl
ravager is bis talent on necrotic wdym
exotic spoke
Maybe for bad memery?
wooden radish
@ionic fern can you weigh in on ravager? is it bis?
warm plinth
50% party?
primal crypt
50% party
undone sun
leech
exotic spoke
@sullen peak how long do you expect the fights to be?
primal crypt
Siphon life yeh?
sullen peak
less than 3min
brittle owl
use HR
sullen peak
yes
brittle owl
smack a target dummy to get a feeling for it
sullen peak
done already
primal crypt
Wondering if we're viable right now
brittle owl
now yes
sullen peak
1123332
brittle owl
8.3 is bdk time
sullen peak
for talents
brittle owl
brittle owl
haven't you heard
primal crypt
What is this, legion
tame garden
Prot is dead
brittle owl
they scale AMAZING towards the end of the expac
tame garden
Bdk and vdh time
sullen peak
vdh big
primal crypt
Vdh LUL
ionic fern
Please don't bring Ravager memes back on friday.
undone sun
if only it was legion
brittle owl
vdh has a super SeKrEt build
exotic spoke
@sullen peak if it’s under 2 minutes 15 seconds minutes cyclo may not be worth
primal crypt
@ionic fern /wave
sullen peak
expecting to last like 2:40
primal crypt
Legion bdk
tame garden
Secret build: forbidden shear spam technique
warm plinth
But we had Dresaron
warm plinth
The dragon in DHT 🤔
brittle owl
Indeed, for you see Blood Death Knights are not any tank. NO, not by a long shot, they are THE tank that scales the best with stamina. Why? I hear you ask, well because obviously. Furthermore, they also have access to the best mitigation in the game, which is as we know HEALING. Thus because of their AMAZING scaling allowing not to get ONE SHOTTED anymore, add to that the fact that they can heal themselves, which again IS the BEST mitigation of the game, They are IN FACT objectively without the shadow of a doubt the BEST tank in the game. Plus I mean Future, Limit and Preach mentioned them at some point and when have they ever been wrong.
wooden radish
smh not knowing dht
primal crypt
Wtf is dresaron
brittle owl
demon hunter tools 🤔
exotic spoke
What is love? Baby don’t hurt me
warm plinth
Dresaron is the Victory Rush holy grail
primal crypt
I need a brain jogging
brittle owl
quick
warm plinth
The dragon that blew you back into the eggs and dropped the cave-ins
brittle owl
what's 2+2
tame garden
But
primal crypt
Ohhhhhhh
tame garden
You were supposed to avoid the eggs
primal crypt
Opop
tame garden
🤔
sullen peak
also a follow-up question
brittle owl
your brain is bad a jogging 😦
brittle owl
magic is everywhere in tep
sullen peak
yep
warm plinth
The shorter the fight, the more useless memory is gonna be
sullen peak
y, but i dont have strife
sullen peak
so what to take in place
primal crypt
Ah, no strife
exotic spoke
Not defensively Yamorino
brittle owl
how you gonna oog then
primal crypt
Use memory
warm plinth
RIP
primal crypt
If no strife
warm plinth
RIP C&S 😦
brittle owl
memory is backup but like
brittle owl
you get pre winter soldier bucky barnes instead of cpt america
sullen peak
my 4th tank alt, cba doin arenas on tank alts xd
primal crypt
Lmao
warm plinth
Oof
brittle owl
strife r3 is better than null or bote
sullen peak
y but u can just buy null rank3
brittle owl
bote worse grind dansgame
sullen peak
from 0
empty nacelle
Comp stomp was a blessing
primal crypt
😂
warm plinth
@outer dew is my blessing
sullen peak
yeah i wanna see that happen 
brittle owl
comp stomp was literally the worst shit
primal crypt
I only caught the last day of comp stomp
primal crypt
Now we have to wait until jan for bg week
brittle owl
zoomer in my guild did it on 4 toons
warm plinth
Why wasn't I forced? 🤔
tame garden
Watch netflix
empty nacelle
Felt compelled to
tame garden
Wow
empty nacelle
I’d say
tame garden
Was worth 100%
brittle owl
r e p o r t e d
tame garden
Blood on fury is so fun
primal crypt
Bbl bbs
tame garden
In m+
warm plinth
undone sun
$report
tame garden
I would rush farm, cap, kill the druid and rogue that stealth over, drop guild banner, then afk til it ended
ionic fern
Hi Yamo. 👋
tame garden
Ez clap
warm plinth
I actually stopped doing it because I would literally go to blacksmith, kill the initial rush of NPCs, then sit there the rest of the time
empty nacelle
See so I couldn’t do that, because half the group I was with also had the same idea 🙃
warm plinth
It was usually like...me and one other guy against 5 or 6 of the NPCs, and then the other dude would leave after we capped
So I just sat there like
brittle owl
i will report every single one of you afkers
brittle owl
tame garden
Wtf
warm plinth
I wasn't afk
tame garden
Defending is not afking
warm plinth
I was guarding the flag, obviously
brittle owl
defending vs bots is afk tyvm
tame garden
The bots try to backcap
brittle owl
no they don't
exotic spoke
Lol
warm plinth
They literally never showed up again after the first time. But I stand by my previous statement.
brittle owl
you lit spawncamp them
exotic spoke
I didn’t do comp stomp but should have
warm plinth
Whose side are you fuckin on Speg
tame garden
My own
brittle owl
speg is too much of a canadian to keep a straight line
tame garden
I afked for blood and I'm proud
warm plinth
Playin fuckin jump rope with my feelings
brittle owl
exotic spoke
I slept for like 24-25 of the last 36 hours. Oh my god I feel so much better
brittle owl
wut, don't you feel like a dried up date
warm plinth
Probably for the best, or you'd have had to listen to me whine about my scuffed af runs last night
brittle owl
i hate it whenever i sleep more than 9hrs
exotic spoke
I was sick and felt terrible. Left work early Wednesday and guess I just needed rest
Missed raid and m+ though 😦
empty nacelle
F
exotic spoke
Eh, you gotta take care of yourself. Wouldn’t have played well if I did show up
Preemptive - shut up Ghash
exotic spoke
Imagine not buying Zinathid
warm plinth
I'm not rich yet
exotic spoke
And I expected a snarky comment. Something something “like you ever play well” something something
exotic spoke
^^
warm plinth
There hasn't been a run all day except the one that literally went up 2 seconds ago
warm plinth
All: the entirety of something
There's only been 11 hours in the day so far, so yes. ALL DAY
exotic spoke
Shut up Webster
brittle owl
incorrect
wooden radish
brittle owl
there's been 18 hours in the day
warm plinth
Should I get some breakfast crunchwraps
wooden radish
ok boomer
exotic spoke
ok boomer
warm plinth
I don't drink
tame garden
Yes get breakfast crunchwraps
exotic spoke
It all makes sense
tame garden
I had Tim's
wooden radish
@fierce juniper 😦
undone sun
👀
brittle owl
i've had tim horton's in toronto airport
exotic spoke
You literally just angered every Canadian everywhere
warm plinth
That's what happens when Americans make coffee in a Canadian establishment
brittle owl
whoop
exotic spoke
Your days are likely numbered. It’s been nice knowing you Ghash
warm plinth
Like they actually burned my coffee; who does that
brittle owl
the bagles were actually good
wooden radish
Tim Hortons, the Burger king of canada
warm plinth
How do you even burn coffee
brittle owl
more like
undone sun
it's actually pretty easy to burn coffee
brittle owl
starbucks
undone sun
you just over roast it, temp just a bit too high
wooden radish
no. tim hortons owns burger king
brittle owl
o
warm plinth
Okay but like
undone sun
perfect roast is at a specific temp, just under boiling
warm plinth
They're known for coffee
brittle owl
depends on coffee thyme
wooden radish
warm plinth
So you would think they had that shit down
brittle owl
grind and roasts
fast food coffee is the same anyway
which is to say
it fucking sucks
empty nacelle
Make your own 🤷🏻♂️
undone sun
ez
brittle owl
yep
i almost exclusively drink turkish coffee
i even bought a machine for work as well
and have my own stash of coffee
empty nacelle
Light roast for me
exotic spoke
Turkish coffee. That’s made in sand right maelkenar?
brittle owl
technically yes
the defining characteristics are medium roast, super fine grind
preparation is put in water while cold, bring up to boil quickly
undone sun
brittle owl
then on and off the head for a few times
warm plinth
WHAT JUST HAPPENED
undone sun
sand is stupid hot and boils contents in the cup
brittle owl
^
exotic spoke
Yeah that’s what I thought it was
warm plinth
Oh, I'm stupid
brittle owl
there's machines that achieve a similar effect
empty nacelle
Wish I had the time for that
warm plinth
I thought the liquid was coming from the sand; I'm an idiot.
undone sun
there's usually a flame just under what's holding the sand
brittle owl
and it's 95% the same
jagged bay
hello have a nice weekend everyone!
empty nacelle
Mocha pot/French press for me
warm plinth
You too Twinrova!
undone sun
i want to try turkish coffee, i hear it's good
brittle owl
you have a big copper plate underneath the sand
warm plinth
I'll share my fancy coffee that I drink
I buy this 96 pack of pods from Walmart, and I put it in my girlfriend's keurig, and then I put liquid french vanilla creamer in it
brittle owl
warm plinth
It's fancy because it's french vanilla
brittle owl
but this costs 100 bucks and is consistent every time
you just need the proper coffee for it
tame garden
Tim's is kinda shit now
But I love the farmers wrap
Breakfast wrap with a hashbrowns inside
😋
And I like the coffee
empty nacelle
Anyone ever tried that civet coffee? Heard it’s overrated
undone sun
i like good coffee
tame garden
Rest is trash
warm plinth
That sounds like a breakfast crunchwrap from Taco Bell
undone sun
honestly don't think i'd care to try civet coffee
empty nacelle
It’s fucking expensive
warm plinth
Is that the bat shit coffee
brittle owl
just cats
undone sun
they eat these beans
and shit them out
then those shit beans are made into coffee
empty nacelle
Looks like an upcoming playable race
undone sun
it's a crude way to describe civet coffee, but it's true
brittle owl
it's essentially the process
the only thing that is missed is that they eat the beans fresh
the poopy beans are then dried and roasted
undone sun
warm plinth
That's uh
undone sun
🤣 i hid my preview in case of an image like that
warm plinth
Why are people fucked
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
"hey this cat just shit out some beans, let's boil them in water"
undone sun
they're indigenous to africa and asia
brittle owl
that shit is almost as disgusting
warm plinth
I don't drink sugar water 🤔
brittle owl
ok, people*
undone sun
i imagine the roasting process makes it clean ¯_(ツ)_/¯
so realistically it's not that big of a deal
so if you didn't know what it was prior im sure it wouldn't be bad
brittle owl
it really isnt, they basically just digest the pulp from the coffee bean
warm plinth
This sounds like that one episode of Kitchen Nightmares where the chef picked up the chicken wing off the floor of the kitchen and threw it back in the fryer basket, saying that it would clean it
undone sun
🤣
brittle owl
that stuff is discarded anyway
empty nacelle
‘Nothing goes to waste’
brittle owl
what's inside hotdogs and chicken nuggets
brittle owl
same
i mean
it really isn't a big deal
but alot of people live in a world where meat is this picture pretty thing
warm plinth
Have you tried the all beef ballpark hotdogs because I'm still mad at my mom for making me eat 69 cent Bar S hot dogs for my entire childhood since eating those
brittle owl
chicken/pork hotdogs > beef hotdogs
exotic spoke
So, how about them essences
undone sun
bratwursts >> everythign else
brittle owl
if we're being real here
cremwurst > all
nothing better
specifically frankfurters
tbff
german/austrian sausages > every other sausage
modern brook
Heh
merry socket
do we value meticulous schemeing over shield slam trait in m+/raid?
sweet summit
yes
merry socket
even in raid?
brittle owl
depends on what you want to do
merry socket
well, im just trying to avoid going back to reforge vendor over and over
brittle owl
ST dps optimization is very diff trait wise from general/m+ optimization
then just stick to the 3xBoM, 1x DC, 2xMS
you realistically don't need to reforge out of this
for basically, anything
merry socket
tyvm
exotic spoke
That’s a pretty ideal defensive set up
brittle owl
also aoe dps
chilly brook
Daily reminder that blizz gutted monk
exotic spoke
It’s solid aoe dps Yeah
chilly brook
@merry socket ms is a ton of haste
Haste helps build rage and reduce cd on shield block
exotic spoke
What a good guy
sullen valve
@warm plinth yes good reminder
chilly brook
Daily reminder that @warm plinth is a qt
warm plinth
Daww
warm plinth
Who isn't getting paid?
strong forum
You
ebon geyser
I use noxxic
warm plinth
What about AMR though 🤔
ebon geyser
Jk
Lol
Imagine
I only learn warrior stuff from the very best
@ionic fern and @undone sun
ionic fern
JEah, with geniuses like GHash around you should learn from him.
warm plinth
Jesus no, that's even worse
ionic fern
😂
warm plinth
Just saw the saddest thing. Pugging a key on my prot pally and we're waiting for a healer. Literally had like 8 resto shamans in list from 440-447 and as soon as a non-shaman apped, the lead invited them 😂
ebon geyser
:toxic:
ionic fern
Aww.
warm plinth
That community perception is strong huh
warm plinth
Yeah, it's only a 14
warm plinth
I believe that, Mr. Noxxic
ebon geyser
warm plinth
If it's not part of the recommended group comp on Noxxic, he's not about it
ebon geyser
And for the kids watching or listening DONT DO NOXXIC
ionic fern
👀
ebon geyser
I dont do keys because they suck. So I try to get the best of the best for my 10
strong forum
Yeah.. Chances are they are bad players rerolling into a class they aren't familiar with just because it's fotm ykno
And thats quite previlant in low keys
But that's pugging in general
strong forum
Si
ebon geyser
I hate m+ content
strong forum
What's not fun about huge mongo pulls doing crazy dps
strong forum
Sounds terrible, my condolences
I too enjoy content where I get fucked over by 20 retards
🙃
And I can't do shit about it
strong forum
Oof
ebon geyser
empty nacelle
wait you said 20 retards, that would include you then
neon tangle
to be faaaaair, I've experienced a lot more toxicity in m+ than raids and stuff, I can understand not want to learn / deal with it
empty nacelle
neon tangle
obviously
tame garden
At least when you're trapped in a bad key it's for an hour tops
strong forum
^
tame garden
When a raid night is going bad its like 3+ hours
strong forum
And it's scheduled
ebon geyser
I mean everything from the end chest was de as well
I only do the dungeons for zone quest and done
But if I wanna grind I go and play diablo
Not m+
ionic fern
But m+ is fun. 😦
ebon geyser
Ur definition of fun is not my definition of fun
ebon geyser
Yeah
Lol
I really only raid is what I enjoy the most
One day I will get CE continously
ionic fern
I have a feeling i'd enjoy raiding a lot more as healer or DPS rather than tank.
YOu just learn the fight in the first 10 pulls and then wait until everyone else stops messing up.
ebon geyser
Only time I was dpsing was on my hunter and it was to farm mogs
Shit I dont even pvp
I still have CnS r1
😂
strong forum
Same @ionic fern
Then you need memes to keep you going
Especially if you're already fully geard
chilly brook
@neon tangle that's because as a whole the m+ crowd is honestly far less willing to help others tbh
neon tangle
tru dat
also tbh the timer causes a bit of it, if you're pugging a lot of people just show up for the one key, and teaching someone doesn't really have a benefit
even if you ran through the strategy you're gonna either burn the key down or complete and get a new one that they might not know also
Anywho, I like m+, I think it doesn't have an incentive structure that rewards being nice at all when pugging.... which is ITSELF obviously very hard to do
stark scroll
I think there are plenty of people willing to help with M+, but it's going to be from a dedicated group/community
stark scroll
Nah I don't mean boosting
tame garden
Wow community is toxic
exotic spoke
Then you haven’t found the right community xpiredyogurt
stark scroll
You get adverts in places like the Facebook group for casual m+ groups and shit
tame garden
Pvp and raiding is just as toxic as m+
exotic spoke
MPF is pretty good
ebon geyser
I haven't had a good guild/group of ppl since LK
neon tangle
@tame garden I have not found raiding as toxic as m+, the larger group requirements end up pushing people in to guilds, and you're kinda stuck there anyways
rather, I have been in toxic guilds, but they are a tiny minority compared to the horrid m+ experiences I've had
tame garden
But you're comparing pugging m+ to a raiding guild
exotic spoke
My tips on finding a good group / guild to do content with:
-
make sure you’re in the same skill range. You don’t want to be the one carrying and you don’t want to be carried. It creates issues long term
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make sure you share the same goals. Pushing content, casual progression, drunk raids, whatever. Be on the same page.
-
have a similar schedule.
tame garden
Which isnt fair
ebon geyser
Like one day I will find a home where the ppl are nice we progress having fun get CE and be a family
tame garden
A preset m+ group is gonna be similar to a guild
exotic spoke
If you don’t have all three of those then it’s going to be a bad fit
tame garden
Pugging m+ gonna be similar to pugging raid
warm plinth
Idk, on the other hand if you're all like lovey dovey, people tend to not want to criticize bad play, which makes it more difficult to fix things that go wrong
sick sentinel
There are guilds where getting ce is fun? Sign me up
ebon geyser
One guild I kinda liked was drunken elk
warm plinth
I've been in like heroic guilds with the whole "casual family fun" vibe and progress was so fuckin slow because no one wanted to step up and be like okay why are 3 of our DPS parsing fuckin gray
chilly brook
@stark scroll brother, even my guiltiest aren't really willing to teach they basically either push keys or they sell
sick sentinel
Excuse me I got thrown into dpsing zaqul last night and parses grey ghash quit being toxic
stark scroll
Yeah you'd need one of the kinda lovey dovey groups mentioned above to teach in a nice way
warm plinth
Someone had to tell you Hawgz
ebon geyser
Then I had a guild that I was elitist and toxic because I wanted to push mythic raiding
exotic spoke
I mean, that comes down to are people asking them when they are logging in to push or sell?
If it’s Sunday - and you ask me to help I’m probably going to politely decline because that’s when I push and sell
stark scroll
But they're also bad so you wouldn't learn enough
sick sentinel
- tanks entire tier* dps zaqul on reclear dies
exotic spoke
It’s not fair to expect people to help when it’s convenient for you. People help when it’s convenient for them
warm plinth
I had a really awkward period during Tomb where I was in this guild with a bunch of friends. They'd all sing the praises of x person and I would just make an alt of that spec and fuckin annihilate them
And I'm not even a good player
chilly brook
I mean from what I've seen of m+ the teaching of it is pretty simple and can be done inside a real run as long as you're communicating ahead of time
warm plinth
That's the kind of environment an overly "fun" guild gets you though
exotic spoke
I mean yeah. But again. When are people asking for help. When they see them log in to do carries / push?
warm plinth
Yeah I would agree with Griff, to a point. If you're in voice, you can teach a run while it's happening as long as the person you're teaching isn't a total moron
ebon geyser
Most of the guilds I find fun or nice I like this are aotc or fam friends guild
warm plinth
Assuming they have a grasp on their spec ofc
stark scroll
If people are willing to be on voice then absolutely you can teach as you go
exotic spoke
If you ask me to help post raid on Tuesday / Thursday or any time Sunday / Monday I’m going to decline. Those are times I’ve set aside on my schedule to push keys and do sales
warm plinth
Well I ain't teaching people in fuckin text I'll tell you that
I type fast but not that fast
Also I just want to say that I came into this convo at the very end and really don't have any idea what it's about
ebon geyser
So finding a guild that do ce/teach/have actual fun in the game is kinda non existent from what I have seen
chilly brook
@exotic spoke I've made it clear to this group that I was interested in doing high keys and sells months ago and they were like cool we can teach you but it's never happened and they just seem to prefer to bring this guy and his brother in now that he's back despite being available for the weeks that he wasn't
And when they say "we're around on the weekends" and you ask about it it seems to be dodged
warm plinth
Riki will you teach me to M+
sick sentinel
High end content is not fun to a lot of people, but rather an obsession. At least for what I have seen
stark scroll
Cliquey kinda behaviour like that is pretty common unfortunately though, in my experience at least
chilly brook
@stark scroll I'm never not on voice lmao
That's the problem with m+ and breaking into it
exotic spoke
Wednesday post raid sure ask me and I’ll help.
I don’t usually log in Friday / Saturday - but they have my discord so they can message me there and I can log in most times.
But don’t expect me to have time to help you when you just see me log in - if I’m logging in I have shit to do.
/shrug I’m just saying it had to be convenient for them. I don’t know the whole story. I don’t know what happened. I’m just saying in my experience I’ve had to consistently decline helping people because they ask me to help when I already have plans
@warm plinth always qtpie
sick sentinel
When will someone teach me
exotic spoke
Never you filthy horde
chilly brook
I've never really been pushy about trying to learn but in my experience you almost never get to learn even when you ask guildies who say they're willing to teach you
chilly brook
Like last xpac one of my guildies was a dope healer and he had a group that needed a tank he told me to reroll dk and they'd teach me, we ran one key and pretty much never happened again
sick sentinel
Best solution: teach yourself. There is enough resources out there to become an insane gamer without direct instruction in game
exotic spoke
Again, I don’t know your situation and maybe their dicks. But don’t expect them to change their schedules to accommodate you
Also what hawgz said
chilly brook
Everyone does m+ differently
empty nacelle
teaching yourself is all well and good, but trying to break in by yourself is difficult.
exotic spoke
Make your own group
sick sentinel
I taught myself to m+ purely from watching youtube/twitch/MDI. And I’m not the BEST at m+ but I can do high keys with a relative level of confidence. Depends on how high you’re trying to push
chilly brook
You teach yourself routes and pulls and then get yelled at for doing a pull that you learned because the group does x there
empty nacelle
i would if i had a guild/ friends still playing
sick sentinel
Use dungeon tools to discuss the route prior to starting
tame garden
Good groups will go over the mdt together before the key
empty nacelle
but they are all gone to at least shadowlands
exotic spoke
We talk about the key and how we’re going to do it prior to starting it
sick sentinel
I said it first speg wrecked
tame garden
Hawgz 
exotic spoke
You can find a new guild. You can pug and ask to add people and make a group. You can join discord’s like MPF and make a team
tame garden
Poutine 😋
tame garden
Do you have cheese curds
empty nacelle
would you mind sending me the MPF disc?
tame garden
In your neck of america
chilly brook
I'm not going to leave my guild over m+ we're a raiding guild and I don't have any ill will towards them
tame garden
Then go eat it
chilly brook
I'm just saying, finding a group for m+ isn't really all that easy tbh
exotic spoke
Griff, the guild thing was specifically for slondon
warm plinth
I thought it was the stuff on it that made it poutine
exotic spoke
It is easy
exotic spoke
I’m sorry - that’s honesty really easy to do
empty nacelle
@warm plinth thanks
warm plinth
BUT WHAT KIND OF GRAVY
sick sentinel
Breakfast poutine is my SHIT
tame garden
Whatever kind of gravy you prefer
ebon geyser
Some guild advertisements are false advertisements
warm plinth
You're not very helpful for a Canadian, you know that
sick sentinel
Canadians are sub human
tame garden
Poutine is versatile
ebon geyser
We help u here and there and once u join is like go fuck yo self
sick sentinel
They are a different species
warm plinth
@junior ivy I need poutine, help
exotic spoke
My mythic push group this expansion is drastically different than the group I ran with last expansion. Entirely different
chilly brook
I'm glad you've found it easy but....plenty of people in here have had the exact opposite experience
warm plinth
Do me a favor though
@empty nacelle
Don't be the guy who posts your shit in the team forming channel and expects a group to magically form
exotic spoke
I don’t think you’re helping yourself. IMO. We started last tier with almost zero m+ experience this expac and now we’re doing 20-22s
warm plinth
Find people who have posted who have similar goals and reach out
exotic spoke
If you only ask one group, and only when they log in, then I’m sorry - you’re not taking the initiative
sick sentinel
I run one +12 per week am I doing it right
empty nacelle
oh yeah i wont sperg
chilly brook
I'm just giving one example of the m+ community
warm plinth
I can't say shit about finding a group. I literally got into my group by accident 😅
exotic spoke
Because if they are like me then they have scheduled their time and only log in when they have specific things to do
empty nacelle
im quite patient
exotic spoke
I say that because that’s what it sounds like you’re doing.
warm plinth
Yeah just a lot of people post in there, but then no one actually tries to form a group. I've seen 5 people post back-to-back with almost the exact same post, and they didn't reach out to each other lol
ebon geyser
@warm plinth honestly is hard, I was doing exactly what u are saying for a guild and sometimes u have to take what ever is there
chilly brook
I was literally giving an example of the topic earlier which was m+ community isn't very helpful
warm plinth
Oh I was talking specifically about our team forming channel in MPF
Not about guilds or w/e
chilly brook
I stopped relying on others to get my keys done a long time ago
sick sentinel
Hate to be the guy to say this but why should you expect the community to be helpful
chilly brook
But I have no desire to push keys pugging
exotic spoke
Then it’s a vicious cycle and nothing will change
chilly brook
I would expect anyone who says they're willing to help you learn and start pushing high keys to keep their word tbh or at least say they no longer have the intent @sick sentinel
warm plinth
Welcome to the internet tbh
ebon geyser
@warm plinth ohh 
warm plinth
Just saying the internet is not exactly known for its social skills
exotic spoke
Not only that, but like, did you set up times? Did you follow through? Did you only ask when they were going to push? Like seriously - don’t expect them to conform to your schedule (which is really what this sounds like)
Whatever, I’m done discussing this. It’s pointless
chilly brook
Yes I've followed through.....
sick sentinel
They may have said they would help and then realized they couldn’t or it was too much work. Tbh the best way to get into high-high end content is to learn by watching (know different routes, strats, comps, etc) by watching videos and streams and reading posts about it. Then get a group to give you a chance and show you know what you’re talking about
chilly brook
I've already kinda said that
sick sentinel
But like ghash said expecting people on the internet to help you is a lost cause. They don’t feel like they owe you anything and to be honest, they don’t
stark scroll
What sort of level are we talking about anyway? What level are you doing atm and what is your aim?
chilly brook
@exotic spoke I've made it very clear that I still want to do keys with the group talk to them about times and days and follow up and it always seems to never happen or they decide to sell. I've been very patient and respectful of other people's time I've never once said "let's do keys now"
lusty grotto
the way i did it
chilly brook
@stark scroll nothing impressively high, they've never done more than an 18 afaik and I've keyed 16s with them on the one or two times we've actually done keys
lusty grotto
griff
sick sentinel
My question is why do you think they owe you their time
lusty grotto
was run pugs
chilly brook
You're right
lusty grotto
and bnet friend good players
exotic spoke
Literally the last comment because this is pointless as we obviously don’t agree and I don’t have the full picture.
Maybe they are assholes, maybe they are forgetful, maybe we don’t have the full picture. I don’t know
Make your own group and learn with them.
chilly brook
I guess I don't owe them my time when I said I'd tank raids
lusty grotto
that's how i started to build a "mini" community
sick sentinel
You don’t
chilly brook
So I guess I just won't show up now
sick sentinel
You don’t owe anything to anyone in this game if you bring value
chilly brook
We are
exotic spoke
Sounds like it’s not a good fit.
sick sentinel
We are but because he raids he expects help with m+ from what I understand
chilly brook
I'm just making a comparison @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
fuck your guild
warm plinth
I actually have a secret strategy for getting into a Mythic+ group
lusty grotto
get outside players
warm plinth
Do you guys wanna see it?
lusty grotto
if they aren't interested, get outside players
exotic spoke
Bribery / blackmail?
sick sentinel
Do you want to know how I get into groups
warm plinth
Nah man, I wouldn't stoop that low
chilly brook
@sick sentinel no that's not at all what I expect
warm plinth
Hang on, I have a pic of it
lusty grotto
NO
warm plinth
exotic spoke
Lol
warm plinth
❤️ you 
chip
lusty grotto
fucking knew it
chilly brook
The only thing I expect is people to either follow up on their word or to communicate not having intentions of continuing on with what they said
warm plinth
There's the elitist Hawgz I know and love
exotic spoke
Truth
sick sentinel
I live in an ancient and sacred community of incredibly elite players who are above the mortal plane
We do not use weakauras here
lusty grotto
step 1: do well with pugs, identify good players
step 2: add them to bnet
step 3: keep trying to run keys with them, invite them to discord
step 4: rinse and repeat
that's how you build a team
lusty grotto
chilly brook
Does my stance make sense now? Because my whole thing hasn't ever been about me expecting anything from my guildies because of something I've done or do, but rather just using an example of what my experience with the m+ community has been in regards to them not really being willing to help people
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, I get the frustration for sure. But I would have moved on a long time ago when I realized they were blowing me off
chilly brook
And it's not just guildies that I've had a similar experience with
@warm plinth I pretty much have
lusty grotto
You cant really expect anything from guildies, i help everyone in classic and i dont expect them to help me back. Some of them do, that's it.
chilly brook
I'm just using an example
warm plinth
Oh, gotcha
lusty grotto
as GM, i dont really make people help out unless it is something absolutely needed for the guild as a whole
you dont pay for people's subs
you don't get to dictate what they do in their time
even as a guild master
chilly brook
But then somehow this got interpreted as me looking for answers
As to how to fix it
Or some shit
lusty grotto
don't expect anything, request it and if they can't do it, move on, there's plenty of pugs to go around
sick sentinel
If you are looking to do one +12 weekly on Monday at 11:00pm I know a prot warrior who will play fury to let you practice
It’s me
I’m the prot warrior
lusty grotto
ah!
lusty grotto
its me ur brother
chilly brook
That being said I considered being an asshole and letting my sub lapse when I had made it clear I wanted to sell keys and they said they would be down and then blew it off anytime I brought it up and as soon as someone got back from vacation they started using all their freetime to sell and using that as an excuse as to why I wasn't at raid
sick sentinel
BEAR!!!!
exotic spoke
New phone who this?
lusty grotto
its me ur bear exterminator
sick sentinel
RATHER BE A MONK!?!? Shhsnejdubsnwlfhveyw land
warm plinth
Can't be a monk in classic though
chilly brook
@sick sentinel over being a bear? Yes sir I would
warm plinth
Which is where Nimchip lives
sick sentinel
God I would rather play an arcane mage than be a drool master monk
lusty grotto
this is somehow worse than the time Kaege told me to not comment on things because i wasn't 2k
tame garden
Bear good
lusty grotto
it was multiple people
warm plinth
or w/e his name is
sick sentinel
I have a monk mythic ready and I just taunt my guild with it and play prot for the lulz
lusty grotto
but kaege did it too
chilly brook
Fuck dude every day I play retail I wonder why I haven't deleted my characters and just went to classic
sick sentinel
Because classic is objectively worse than retail next argument
warm plinth
By your powers combined
lusty grotto
jonny @sick sentinel
warm plinth
I am Captain Unyun @sick sentinel
lusty grotto
he said that and then i pushed the fuck out to 2k
warm plinth
See, he was just motivating you
lusty grotto
by the blood and sweat of pugging
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto don’t comment if you don’t play retail please
(/s I love you)
chilly brook
@sick sentinel from my experience in classic people are way less shitty though
lusty grotto
and by carrying bull's rogue
sick sentinel
Because they all have no will to live
tame garden
Classic bad
lusty grotto
imagine toxicchip
warm plinth
Yeah, why do you think Nim is playing it
lusty grotto
told his guild
warm plinth
It's home
lusty grotto
to cockblock ony head
exotic spoke
Sounds like a dick move
chilly brook
Look
warm plinth
Why are we imagining this when it actually happened
exotic spoke
Oh nah - that sounds legit meta gaming the competition
chilly brook
I'll play pally for you nim
lusty grotto
and that happened yesterday because fuck them 🙂
lusty grotto
....................
exotic spoke
Imagine getting like 98% of green dragon kills even though you don’t need them - just to leave loot on the body and let them rot so they can’t be skinned for NR gear
chilly brook
Sorry I couldn't help it
sick sentinel
When I played classic I once organized an onyxia run and ninja looted everything. I was just a boy who didn’t know no better
chilly brook
Now I'm toxic
sick sentinel
Like actual classic not this beta classic you play now
lusty grotto
you mean vanilla
warm plinth
Vanilla =/= classic
sick sentinel
Whatever it’s called
exotic spoke
Because that’s what happened on my server in vanilla
lusty grotto
outstanding move riki
exotic spoke
Wasn’t me
warm plinth
Riki's server actually had people on it
lusty grotto
hmm
sand egret
We did that shit
sick sentinel
I was a draka player at the time
sand egret
had to box out the alliance guild yo
exotic spoke
It was huge. We had two server splits. Once to Eitrigg and once yo area 52
lusty grotto
-_-
sick sentinel
Why did I pick draka you ask? Because name was cool and I was like 10
somber sky
it's so hard to find someone from thsrealm ;.;
lusty grotto
we were Arthas
exotic spoke
I’m on Bloodhoof for a few more hours