protection

[strong forum]

oh

now i get it

eh its a bit more

[brittle owl]

ok

6

my bad

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern what is the best race to play warrior as 🙂

[tame garden]

Vulpera

No question

[strong forum]

Panda

[brittle owl]

wat

both of you should be gulag'd

[strong forum]

okay oaky

[brittle owl]

....unless playing fury

[strong forum]

undead

[sullen valve]

gnome was the correct answer fyi

[tame garden]

Race changing to vulpera the instant its available

[brittle owl]

furry warrior is to great of a pun

[strong forum]

fury is a joke in itself

[tame garden]

Ok arms boomer

[brittle owl]

hey

arms is the superior warrior dps spec mkay

[tame garden]

[sullen valve]

wrong

prot is bis warrior dps

[tame garden]

And vulpera is bis warrior race

[empty nacelle]

Gladiator

[sullen valve]

@tame garden GNOME 😠

[tame garden]

Alliance

[sullen valve]

gnome is gnome is gnome

[brittle owl]

[tame garden]

Gnomes are potatoes with limbs

[wooden radish]

Abe could play a Gnome if he wanted too but he is going to be playing a Furry instead.

[sullen valve]

🥔

😠

im not a furry

[wooden radish]

Abe is a closet furry

hi @strange light

[sullen valve]

😡

[strange light]

Hey all, sorry to be this question asker but who better to ask right, I'm a prot pala main thinking of boosting a prot warrior cause it looks fun but I wondered if the struggle will be real? My pala is already 436 so idk. I remember loving prot warr in legion cause it felt like it just had so much over shield it couldn't be damaged

Hey @wooden radish ^^

[wooden radish]

its pretty easy to gear a character if you put in the time

they've nerfed Ignore Pain and how much it stacks

[strange light]

Refarming gear and essences is the main reason I'm not just going for it cause that was such a pain with all the rep shit

[wooden radish]

so its not the same as Legion

[tame garden]

Tbh all tanks felt immortal in legion

[strange light]

Tanking in legion was <3

[wooden radish]

you can always wait till 8.3 to grind Essences, they'll be easier

[tame garden]

Yeah grab revered and chill til 8.3

[wooden radish]

^

[tame garden]

No need for exalted

[sand egret]

yeah i'm waiting till the mats req drop to finish off my PP rank 3, for instance

[strange light]

I can do it before 8.3 I'm impatient but I'm also lazy so if I do it I'd just wanna know that the class wont end up being sat to the side while I play prot pala still only

[sand egret]

can't be bothered to farm them parts atm

[strange light]

But I'll deffo take the sit at revered advice in general

[sand egret]

i've got enough for the "new" price, so i'm just gonna chill till then lol

[wooden radish]

Warrior is likely meta in M+ and viable in raid. you have nothing to fear.

[sand egret]

don't see war going anywhere in M+\

still a powerhouse

[strange light]

Okidoke, that's a comfort

[sand egret]

arguably better with some reflectable stuff in the new affix

[strange light]

I saw blood dk is looking like top

Was like fff

[sand egret]

meh

i feel like they're being overhyped

but that's just me

[strange light]

I like the healing but I hate feeling like I take spikey damage

[wooden radish]

Saw Blood DK top or heard it in a Preach video, there is a big difference 🙂

[strange light]

Truth tea

[wooden radish]

Preach just talked to Limit and made that claim

its not true

🤷

[sand egret]

there's a bunch of stuff out there that still hits hard

and even if its combined with magic, reducing a huge portion of your phys intake just means you're that much more stable to heal during magic

[strange light]

Tbf I suppose with a prot pala theres no need to play blood but warrior isnt as self healing so it's a different kinda tank

Or at least that's what I think

I haven't touched mine in a while

[sand egret]

if you already got a prot pally, yeah seems like an odd switch unless you're doing it for a specific thing (like a strat around gripping)

[strange light]

Yeah bit redundant to go dk

Not gonna push mythic

I like keys

[sand egret]

i also low key think the new defensive trinkets may be really sweet with prot's kit. That's usually the X factor in predictions (similar to monks interaction with Urchin/Edict)

it's gonna be that + the corruption affixes

[strange light]

I love stagger but hate the flavour of monk in high fantasy

So much

Otherwise this would be easy

[sand egret]

i'm the opposite haha

[strange light]

Cant find a single race that doesn't seem weird with them

[sand egret]

i hate the design implentation of stagger, love the concept of brewmasters

[strange light]

Kung fu cows etc

I just

[sand egret]

it's a tad weird

[strange light]

Maybe if I'm a kul tiran

[sand egret]

pandas i get

[strange light]

Can they be monks?

[sand egret]

yep

[strange light]

Yeah pandas are the only ones who work in my mind

Maybe a sailor

[sullen valve]

just get healers to do the work

[sand egret]

^ it's why i hate current stagger

it's a credit card with no limit

laaame

[strange light]

It's not even being nerfed much is it

Like slightly

[sand egret]

just got daddy (healers) footing the bill

well until they shift the damage cadence, it'll always be fundamentally strong

[tame garden]

Need to whip healers back into shape

They get to spend too much time dpsing nowadays

[strange light]

I want daddy footing the bills

Not dpsing

[sullen valve]

Healers dps to heal now

🙂

[strange light]

This healer dps meta is weird

Let healers have the job they signed up for

[wooden radish]

stagger is getting double nerfed. they are reducing its effect and changing the K value

[tame garden]

Wtb triple nerf

[strange light]

Whew ok so you're saying dont boost BM? Hahaha

[wooden radish]

monk is still meta

for raid

but it won't so far ahead

[tame garden]

They are just absurdly ahead atm

[strange light]

Nooo I wanna try a kul tiran bm at least once dont triple nerf

[wooden radish]

only slightly ahead 😛

[strange light]

They level so fast

[tame garden]

This brings them closer yeah

[strange light]

Might not even boost

[wooden radish]

just level in AV

[hushed cobalt]

Disc schism+cyclo+cof+voodoo doll is why I enjoy disc in m+

Especially on last boss shrine

[strong forum]

Well that's gonna be gone

[wooden radish]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/heart-of-azeroth-and-tank-threat/387242

[strong forum]

So rip

[hushed cobalt]

Don't you remind me

[strong forum]

What a lame change

Not like aggro was an issue at all

[wooden radish]

its an issue for lowered geared characters/alts/etc

[tame garden]

It was

[strong forum]

So

[tame garden]

With no tricks and ppl opening with iris at start of 8.2

[strong forum]

I was fine

So idk man

[tame garden]

But with more gear we woulda been fine

Yeah I'm sure war was fine

[hushed cobalt]

I sometimes lose aggro on a mob for a bit a few seconds into a trash pull because eyebeam

[sand egret]

Not every tank has access to a 1 min 20%+ damage boost >.<

[strong forum]

They reduced tank threat because it was broken in legion

[wooden radish]

i mean, a DPS gains far more dps than you do from their minors.

[strong forum]

Now they buffed it again by 50%

Totally removing said mechanic again

[tame garden]

Oh I'm dumb

This is a new change

[strong forum]

Yup

[tame garden]

Not the last change

[wooden radish]

it replaces the last change

[tame garden]

Hmm

[strong forum]

Still

[distant crystal]

Seems like it was to make it possible for a fresh tank to tank with a geared tank in raid

[strong forum]

They nerfed tank threat by 75 %

Only to now buff it by 50% again

[distant crystal]

Without consent ripping

[wooden radish]

i don't think you understand how %'s work

[tame garden]

Yeah seems this is aimed at raid

[strong forum]

I know how it works

[wooden radish]

clearly not

[strong forum]

It was nerfed from 900

[distant crystal]

It's it even a buff to tanks with all essences unlocked

[strong forum]

To 340 or some shit

[wooden radish]

450

this changes it to 500

[strong forum]

Uhn

You mean

To 675

[sand egret]

bfa went from a 10x multiplier, to a 4x multiplier. Then they added an additional 3% per node

[strong forum]

Cuz according to my math

50% of 450 is 225

[wooden radish]

no. this is a +50% additive threat increase to the base threat mod.

[hushed cobalt]

+50% not increased by 50%

[sand egret]

this just front loads it for people who dont have high necklevels coming back for 8.3

[wooden radish]

^

[warm plinth]

Wait, they're doing a 50% buff to threat in 8.3?

[sand egret]

yes, but removing the bonuses from the mini nodes

[warm plinth]

Oh, so 450% instead of 427

[sand egret]

yes

[warm plinth]

Or I guess it would've been 436 with the new slot

[sand egret]

yeah basically

[distant crystal]

Seems reasonable

[sand egret]

overall increase (prob to combat power creep)

[warm plinth]

That's not bad

Yeah probably

[sand egret]

but frontloaded

for newer players to not get ripped

[wooden radish]

overall its a buff and fixes the problems with new characters/alts.

[warm plinth]

I like that because it sucks for alts haha

[strong forum]

So that's additive

[sand egret]

honestly, solid change

[warm plinth]

Having to get 65 neck to not get aggro ripped off you by DPS that outgear you

[tame garden]

So this is irrelevant for mains

[strong forum]

Not multiplicative

[warm plinth]

Yeah the 50% gain is additive

[sand egret]

yep

[strong forum]

:think:

[warm plinth]

Threat stuff is always additive

[sand egret]

yep

[distant crystal]

I mean it's multiplicative with your base threat

[sand egret]

see: heroic throw

[distant crystal]

But not with the existing multiplier

[tame garden]

Practicing our math for poe league tomorrow

[strong forum]

Imagine

Playing path of lamo

[sand egret]

i'll be checking it out

[hushed cobalt]

They did say

[strong forum]

Yike

[sand egret]

yep

it's alt-oriented change

which is honestly great in my book

[hushed cobalt]

Is 50% "sizeable"?

[sand egret]

yeah

[tame garden]

How dare you nome

I love arpgs

[strong forum]

Arpgs are great

But poe is not

[sand egret]

i like it

it's heady

but that's my kinda jam

[warm plinth]

Never played PoE but everything I've heard makes it sound like wayyyy too complicated

[sand egret]

basically

but that's the appeal for people

[strong forum]

I tried like 7 different times

I just can't get into it

[undone sun]

it's very complicated

[strong forum]

The class system is completely irrelevant

[sand egret]

it isn't a class system

it's a starting position on a meta system

[strong forum]

The game has no flow

[sand egret]

thinking about it in wow terms is not the move

[strong forum]

Only static shit

[sand egret]

it's more like Build-A-Char Workshop, the game

[hushed cobalt]

That poe talent tree 🤤

[warm plinth]

What, do they have it like...Dark Souls or something where your "class" just changes the base build of your character?

[sand egret]

people say that "Path of Building" is the true game

which is actually kinda true in many ways

it's like a sim game in many senses

[tame garden]

Yeah theres a massive passive tree and your class just determines where you start on that tree

[strong forum]

I hate that your abilities are just sockets

[tame garden]

Also your ascendancy options

[strong forum]

And you try to stack as many additional bullshit in the main piece stacking 300000 buffs with fucking flasks

[sand egret]

yeah Ghash basically your limited by skill points (which are # of "hops" moving along the tree, think a board game). Your class, initially, puts you at a different starting position.

[strong forum]

And 700 auras

[sand egret]

There's an additional layer of Ascendencies which are basically prestige classes that give you very powerful passive bonuses

[strong forum]

No actual flow, just static ability chaining, and shitty animations

[sand egret]

which you often can build around

[strong forum]

That's my take on poe

[tame garden]

I prefer d3 but my friends are really into poe lately and I love a fresh arpg season

So I'm all aboard

[sand egret]

i like the strategy/build planning element

cuz you go "i wanna use a 2hander and freeze the shit outta people"

and then you find what will make that work

[warm plinth]

I like D3 but only in small doses tbh. It hits a ceiling really fast when you get your ideal gear and have it ancient. Then it just becomes an RNG grind worse than anything I've ever seen to get primals

[tame garden]

Yeah you can make a build out of anything

Poe has a way better endgame than d3 ghash

More varied content

[sand egret]

not for everyone, but if you like the puzzle/thinking aspect of it, it's pretty fun

[strong forum]

What is the endgame

[warm plinth]

It's free right?

[strong forum]

Just making your build work?

[sand egret]

whole map system

[strong forum]

That's the endgame?

[tame garden]

D3 is just rifts

[sand egret]

it's making it work in harder content

[tame garden]

Poe has multiple difference endgame content

[sand egret]

how well you can "scale" it

[strong forum]

Is there hard content, all I see is just 1shotting everything

Literally everything

[sand egret]

i mean highest content is literally "dont get hit"

as everything will one shot you

[warm plinth]

WEll that's D3 too though. If I do a greater rift at level 70 I'm gonna decimate everything. But if I go to 100 it's hard

[sand egret]

but people still find ways to build around that

sometimes in really creative ways

like finding an interaction to give perma invuln

[strong forum]

What's the point of creativity if it's weak

[sand egret]

it's pulling it off and pushing it as far as you can go

[strong forum]

See I don't enjoy trying to make weird stuff work

[warm plinth]

I don't like that kind of gameplay though. It's not enjoyable to me to make a single mistake and die, especially in a game style that doesn't allow me to see clearly because of the camera angle

[sand egret]

same as doing M+ in a 'non-meta" spec

not for everyone but some like the challenge

[strong forum]

Since it also requires a completely new character right

To try smth else

[sand egret]

Ghash, that's at like the VERY high end game

[strong forum]

Cuz you're cucked into your talent build

And gems

And whatnot

[sand egret]

we're talking like .02% of players

[tame garden]

Yeah but levelling your second character is way faster. You have resources to gear it from the start and give it levelling uniques

[sand egret]

^

[strong forum]

Meh

Like I said, I tried like 7 different times

Couldn't

[sand egret]

you don't have to love it

[strong forum]

It too bad animations and no flow

[sand egret]

but just accept some do

[tame garden]

Most ppl will start with a cheap build to start then transition to what they really want to push the league with

[strong forum]

Isnt League pushing just leveling to 100

[warm plinth]

I've heard that you have to pay real money to be successful in that game too, which was a turn off for me

[sand egret]

no

def not true

[strong forum]

Ye you need a ton of money for bank spaces and currency tabs

[tame garden]

Bossing is the main endgame after maps

[sand egret]

i did the end game shit without spending a dime

[tame garden]

Delve as well

[sand egret]

money is just for QoL stuff to organize your shit

(and super worth it, tbh)

[strong forum]

But for what gain

[sand egret]

or cosmetics

[tame garden]

They should put delve in d4

[warm plinth]

Quality of life is everything Blade!

[strong forum]

Do you get stronger from delving

[sand egret]

save you brain space

[strong forum]

Or bossing

[sand egret]

better shit drops, yeah

[strong forum]

So it's pointless

[sand egret]

which in turn you can sell

[strong forum]

Got it

[tame garden]

I mean

[sand egret]

to buy shit that is powerful

[hushed cobalt]

Off topic but pros/cons between pally and warr for m+ in 15-18 range? Both equally geared/azerites/essences (pally has r2 instead of r3 like warr)

[tame garden]

What's the point of doing higher rifts

[sand egret]

so yes, it's exactly why people farm it

[warm plinth]

How do you think prot is gonna do in this new tower thing though? We gonna fuckin tank our way to infinity or what?!

[tame garden]

Or pushing keys in wow

[warm plinth]

Ehhhh

[strong forum]

Guess why I'm not pushing

[warm plinth]

M+ is FAR more satisfying than greater rifts

[strong forum]

Cuz it's just e-peen

[sand egret]

imho ghash, i see it breaking down to a few op classes/interactions

[tame garden]

That's subjective tho ghash

[strong forum]

Do we even know what the tower gives

And what's it at all

[tame garden]

Not rly

[sand egret]

legendaries

[tame garden]

We get our legendaries through the tower

[sand egret]

it's how you craft your legendaries

[strong forum]

I smell timegate

Hard timegate

[tame garden]

For sure

[sand egret]

most likely

[strong forum]

Fuck this

[sand egret]

welcome to an MMO

[strong forum]

Let me grind my shit if I want to

To get stronger faster than others

That's what I enjoy

[warm plinth]

I like solo pushing, but M+ requires strategy and coordination whereas a greater rift requires you to not get hit by the random projectiles flying across the screen from nowhere and getting 1-shot 😂

[strong forum]

Getting stronger faster than others

That's what I play for

[sand egret]

and you're just one opinion in a sea of others

[warm plinth]

Or the arcane sentry that spawned barely off the screen and clipped you

[sand egret]

welcome to game dev!

[blazing condor]

How good is Bloot Rite compared to Bloodsport?

[strong forum]

Better

[warm plinth]

Better

[strong forum]

In m+

[blazing condor]

it feels better

ty

[strong forum]

Well bruh

How is it unfair

If I want to spend my time

In game

[tame garden]

I don't disagree

[warm plinth]

I'll tell you what's unfair

YOu not finishing a sentence in one fuckin message

Jesus christ Nome

[strong forum]

I'm on mobile

[warm plinth]

We'll wait, I promise

[strong forum]

I write like I type

No cuz then some new shit comes along

And it gets lost

[warm plinth]

😂

[strong forum]

That's how texting works, long texts are bullshit

Breaks up the flow of conversation

Cuz people wait for some shit to finish or interrupt

[sand egret]

if only you could type in a way where all your words were grouped together into a cohesive and contained statement....we should call it.....a "sentence"

[warm plinth]

^

I already forgot what you were talking about

[sand egret]

ok boomer

with your sentences

[warm plinth]

😂

[undone sun]

i zoned out several minutes ago

[warm plinth]

Thyme, you typed that wrong.

I zoned

[sand egret]

yea

you

[warm plinth]

out several

minutes ago

[sand egret]

typed

that

wrong

[undone sun]

oh

no

[strong forum]

Now you're just being giga autistic

For no reason at all

[tame garden]

$report

[sand egret]

is that a new pokemon

[strong forum]

Do it besh

😏

[tame garden]

Why is rep week christmas

[warm plinth]

Imagine celebrating Christmas

😏

[tame garden]

I need to grind paragon if I'm gonna mainswap

[warm plinth]

Then it's worth it; you get a prot war for Christmas

What better present could you ask for

[sand egret]

and why would you mainswap....Speg....

SPEGGGG

[strong forum]

@hushed cobalt at that range there's no difference

[warm plinth]

Blade when we doing our prot/feral 2s?

[tame garden]

😅

[strong forum]

Literally doesn't matter

[undone sun]

$report

shame

[sand egret]

whenever you can!

[warm plinth]

Might be able to do some tomorrow if you're around. 2100 here we come

[oblique garnet]

🚔

[strong forum]

Prot pally has more interrupt and utility, prot warri takes less dmg and does more aoe dps

@hushed cobalt

That's the only literal differences

At 15-18

[analog zinc]

in 15-18 if you stack bulwark pally takes signifigantly less damage

in fact they take 0 damage

because mobs can't break your shield

[hushed cobalt]

Ah thanks. Pally tanked for guildies to get them there ksm cause healer is a little shy and pally seemed easier with utility

I miss being clap city

[strong forum]

You can carry your group more if they're less experienced or less able

As pally yes

[analog zinc]

Pally works well with uncoordinated groups

[strong forum]

Yup

[hushed cobalt]

Had to pug 1 here and there which didn't matter much cause they were actually useful

[strong forum]

Depends on the person you got

You just got lucky it seems

Cuz people actually being useful is rare

[hushed cobalt]

Go go alliance ba best na

[strong forum]

Or knowing what to do

[hushed cobalt]

Had a few flops. Like death run and pug stands on druid and bubbles...

[strong forum]

Smurt

[hushed cobalt]

Last I check next raid has good protwarr azerites

[analog zinc]

bastion on every piece

[empty nacelle]

Think the worst thing to pug from what I’ve seen is the orb room in ToS

[tame garden]

Yeah that's one of the things pushing me towards war

Bastion on every piece

Very nice

[hushed cobalt]

3bom/1dc/2if

[analog zinc]

meanwhile veng dh doesn't have a single piece with Cycle or Essence Sever, two essential m+ traits

[strong forum]

Just don't raid :4head:

[undone sun]

ez

way ahead of you

[strong forum]

This guy gets it

[tame garden]

Meanwhile bear get layered mane on every piece

[undone sun]

😭

[analog zinc]

L A Y E R E D M A N E

[strong forum]

Well have you actually checked every piece

[analog zinc]

300 armour

BIS

[empty nacelle]

Layeredmeme

[analog zinc]

yeah nomer

[strong forum]

Or are you just going by the wowhead post

I mean the bear thingy

Cuz arms were going mental to get low on every piece, even tho they get 5/6 Tom or 4/6

[tame garden]

No I let wowhead articles dictate my opinions

[hushed cobalt]

My current warr azerites are fine at 450 but not good enough

[strong forum]

Prot is kinda cucked again tho

Cuz bis is still vendor

Same as arms

[tame garden]

Many specs will still want vendor for bis

[strong forum]

But atleast ill be 3x bom from the start

With 12 fucking boss raid

Gear will be so easy to get

[tame garden]

Anyone who has bis + OP in vendor will have a hard time finding something better from raid

[strong forum]

Well it's more the

MS part

That'll never run out of fashion

Unless they would actually balance traits for once

[analog zinc]

MS?

[strong forum]

Or introduce / delete stuff

[sand egret]

met scheming

[strong forum]

Meticulous scheming

[analog zinc]

ah

right i forget prot wars have a fetish for that trait for some reason

[sand egret]

i use that shit too

[strong forum]

Cuz haste is everything

[sand egret]

it's a bunch of haste

[distant crystal]

gotta go fast

[sand egret]

and you can play around it a bit

[strong forum]

Vdh would too if it wasnt limited to fucking orb travel time

[sand egret]

at least on bear*

[ebon geyser]

So if we are at the point of killing 2 witches out of 3 in queen how close are we of a kill?

[strong forum]

Not very

Afaik

[ebon geyser]

We kill 2 out of 3

[strong forum]

Console and beams is a huge thing

[ebon geyser]

Dang

[analog zinc]

my problem with loot for war next tier is

i'm gonna main both dh & war

its gonna be hard to make an argument to bring war in for much of any non-farm bosses

[strong forum]

You maining war? Mr. Prot war is worst?

Okay

[analog zinc]

hey i said its worst not that its bad

dk is bad

but its not worst

[strong forum]

[ebon geyser]

I mean what u playing @analog zinc dont say dh or that garbo dk

[analog zinc]

currently pally monk main

playing dh war next tier

[strong forum]

Going from bad choice to good choice

[west galleon]

dk bad pepelaugh

[strong forum]

I can respect that

[analog zinc]

i hate monk

[strong forum]

Good

[analog zinc]

its so skillless

[strong forum]

Let the hate flow through you

[west galleon]

i have yet to play a difficult tank idk

only one i haven't played is vdh and bear

[analog zinc]

no i mean

the difference between a monk that never uses purify

& a monk that purifies at theoretically flawless timings

is 28%

[wooden radish]

the fuck are you on about

28%

[strong forum]

That's was uldir

Now it's a little bigger

[analog zinc]

wait really

i heard it was this tier

[west galleon]

28% xd

units needed

[strong forum]

But still minimal

[analog zinc]

still minimal yea

[tame garden]

28% bin

[analog zinc]

all i know is that the difference is small

& I believe it

[strong forum]

Its getting bigger next patch too

[olive sparrow]

it is substantial if the monk uses dps trinkets

[strong forum]

The difference

[olive sparrow]

but hey I was bored too

which is why I rerolled to prot

[strong forum]

But that's more because monk in general gets nerfed

[analog zinc]

monk healing nerfs ❤️

[strong forum]

*fixed

[olive sparrow]

nerf

the loss of the high level trinkets is enough to stop making monks broken tbh

[analog zinc]

there's no way a tank that takes half as much damage as a bdk should be competing with them on healing

[strong forum]

Yes

[olive sparrow]

and it's not gotx that's doing the healing it's the trinkets

[wooden radish]

the GOTOX bug has nothing to do with their interactions with trinkets

[ebon geyser]

Pally in 2019 @analog zinc yikes

[strong forum]

Also what Lincoln said

You don't get 70k+ hps as monk in m+ cuz of trinkets alone

My guy

45k overall healing

When trinkets are max 5k hps each

So you can do the math where it comes from

[ebon geyser]

Monks are gonna be solid in next tier

[strong forum]

Yes

But not bugged like they are currently

[analog zinc]

yeah they will never be bad in their current iteration

[olive sparrow]

yes but they will still be as boring as they are now

[ebon geyser]

U are gimping yourself and team if u are not a monk

[strong forum]

Imagine giving a shit

[olive sparrow]

I'm gimping my team then

[analog zinc]

the reason they're broken right now is because stagger is so strong alongside doing extremely high amounts of healing

[strong forum]

Outside of top 10

[ebon geyser]

I mean if u want boredom play dh or bear

[analog zinc]

monks have never been this good in all of legion & bfa

[olive sparrow]

dk is boredom

[strong forum]

Dh is waaaaaaaaaay more fun

[olive sparrow]

it's slooooooooow

[strong forum]

Dk is boredom

And Bad

[olive sparrow]

ehm

[analog zinc]

dk sucks

[olive sparrow]

in m+ ye

[analog zinc]

especially if your brew cotank is playing a dk on azshara for mass grip & doing 14k dps

[wooden radish]

the issue isn't stagger. the issue is that PB basically means nothing

[ebon geyser]

Wtf @strong forum how u can say that I'm in my dh alt and I'm like gliding because idk wtf to do

[olive sparrow]

yeah lincoln the monks know

[strong forum]

So what you mean is you're playing wrong

[ebon geyser]

Dh is a m+ tank imo

[olive sparrow]

there is just nothing we can change about it

[analog zinc]

whats PB?

[ebon geyser]

But I dont do m+

So

[analog zinc]

purifying brew oo

[olive sparrow]

the button that actually requires skill on monk

[strong forum]

Raid rotation is boring on every tank

Cuz ST is boring

[analog zinc]

you should see bears

[olive sparrow]

if stagger would jump fast enough, that u'd be short on brews, stagger would be super complicated

[strong forum]

Well..

[wooden radish]

i mean, its going to change in 9.0 🤷‍♂️

[analog zinc]

their aoe rotation is thrash swipe swipe swipe

[strong forum]

What's going to change in 9.0

[ebon geyser]

Nobody knows

[analog zinc]

i'm gonna play a dk in 9.0 😮

[strong forum]

Well clearly Lincoln knows

[analog zinc]

assuming they're good

i would never play a bad tank

[ebon geyser]

Lol Lincoln

[strong forum]

Na i stay like always, prot and dh

[wooden radish]

@strong forum 😉

[strong forum]

owo

Don't wink at me like that

I'll get funny feelings

[ebon geyser]

U would never play a bad tank but u are going dk and dh

🤔

[strong forum]

Dh is perfectly fine yogurt

What are you on

[ebon geyser]

How so

I mean

Everyone say no

Shit

[strong forum]

So you jump on the bandwagon

[undone sun]

ok glickz

[ebon geyser]

Show me the facts

I love my dh havent touch that mofo since legion until recently

[olive sparrow]

dh has good dps and a build that is giga tanky with shitty dps

[strong forum]

We literally had that discussion

Like 5 hrs ago

[olive sparrow]

basicly if they want to they can't die

[strong forum]

Well maybe 7 hrs ago

I cba

Going through it again

[ebon geyser]

That's the point why the fuck I wanna be tanky with garbage dps where ppl can pull from me

And with mediocre to garbage mitigation

[analog zinc]

DH is best magic tank by far

[wooden radish]

@thorn spruce can you control your boi

[strong forum]

Dh is looking to be top 3

Next patch

So idk fam

[olive sparrow]

dk says hello

[strong forum]

Dk...

[analog zinc]

limit max said DH is top 4 😮

[strong forum]

Yeah...

[undone sun]

from the floor

[analog zinc]

DK is currently weaker than Monk on magic fights

[tame garden]

dk

[ebon geyser]

I mean @strong forum I have heard more stuff about dh here than in the Fel hammer

[oblique garnet]

[wooden radish]

@strong forum 😉

[strong forum]

Well how about you check #vengeance

[ebon geyser]

I do

[strong forum]

:)

[ebon geyser]

It feel like troll lobby

[oblique garnet]

What is this argument even

[strong forum]

Idk

People defending their opinions

To irrelevant people on the Internet

For no reason :D

[tame garden]

For glory

[undone sun]

welcome to the internet

[strong forum]

For blood

[ebon geyser]

For Vengeance

[analog zinc]

this disc needs better emotes

[undone sun]

yes

or cross server emotes

ever think about that

[analog zinc]

cross server emotes would be nice

[tame garden]

Cross server fixes all

[strong forum]

Cross dressing fixes all

Wait 🤔

[tame garden]

[analog zinc]

i feel like monk would be so much better

if they just buffed blackout combo

[tame garden]

Timo

[thorn spruce]

@wooden radish :notlikeboye:

[wooden radish]

:cryboy:

[tame garden]

:roocry:

[sick sentinel]

How to parse on queens court without dying or rerolling🤔

[analog zinc]

reroll

[strong forum]

What do you mean without dying

Just play good

[sick sentinel]

Can’t do that bud

[strong forum]

Apparently

[tame garden]

What's killing you

[analog zinc]

warrior

[strong forum]

Wrong

[sick sentinel]

Nothing lol I don’t die

[tame garden]

Toxic chat

[analog zinc]

ask for externals during mechanics

[strong forum]

You don't need externals

[sick sentinel]

Maybe I just need to quit running defensive build like a coward

[strong forum]

Just play cyclo + inkpod

[tame garden]

Be a man

[strong forum]

Defensive trinkets aren't gonna save your ass in raid

[sick sentinel]

I think my main issue is I get a severe lapse in brain activity when deferred sentence goes out

[strong forum]

Playing better does

How

[tame garden]

Just get a weakaura

[sick sentinel]

Don’t ask how

[tame garden]

That tells you when to move

[strong forum]

Ye there's a WA

[sick sentinel]

I refuse to play with weakauras

[strong forum]

That screams at you at 3 stacks

[tame garden]

That's very low IQ of you

[strong forum]

Well there's your first issue

[tame garden]

Weakauras are bis

[sick sentinel]

Weak aura

Don’t make me say it

[sullen valve]

Not playing with WA is asking to do worse

[strong forum]

^

[sick sentinel]

Don’t make me say it

[tame garden]

Please dont

[sullen valve]

Its like saying i don't use wowA

[sick sentinel]

Speg I’m gonna say it

[tidal sleet]

especially if you're wiping your raid to a mechanic weak auras will assist with, but waste 19 other people's time with your prideful hatred of WAs

[sullen valve]

day it

:stress:

[tame garden]

[tidal sleet]

literally dying on deferred sentence... prog delayed, won't use was

[tame garden]

Glad I'm not an anti addon boomer

[strong forum]

Vikktus put it quite beautifully passive aggressively

[sick sentinel]

Didn’t die on deferred sentence next argument

[analog zinc]

why do you hate WAs

[strong forum]

Okay so 1st help

Play dps trinkets if you wanna parse

Big brain move

To start on

B)

[tidal sleet]

like the only good weak aura on that fight, the one that's most helpful, is the one for the mechanic you're dying to

[sick sentinel]

don’t say it

[strong forum]

That was a smiley not an indicator of 2nd tip

[tidal sleet]

I'd hate to have a tank with that attitude ><

[sick sentinel]

Oh I was waiting in suspense

[strong forum]

😏

OKAY 2ND TIP

Jk

[sullen valve]

use WAs to know when to spam ss and tc

[analog zinc]

wait if you dont use WAs

how are you not overlapping IPs

[undone sun]

huh

[strong forum]

(he does)

[sick sentinel]

Let me clarify, I am not wiping raid and have already gotten CE lul and I have mentioned before I use SOME WAs just rarely ones for boss mechanics

[ebon geyser]

Did someone say they don't use WA?

[strong forum]

Kek

Okay Bois I'm ouuty

[sick sentinel]

Whoa this chat got toxic

[warm plinth]

That’s Hawgz job. Toxic elitist jerk

[sullen valve]

YOGURT!

[sick sentinel]

Yeah just let me be toxic and stupid without criticizing me please

[ebon geyser]

[analog zinc]

wait if you dont use boss was how did you do azshara

[sick sentinel]

List of WAs I use in the current year: shield block/last stand tracker, azshara decree helper, cursed heart dropper

I am not an animal people

[tame garden]

Ok

[ebon geyser]

Good

Lol

[tame garden]

I forgive you

[analog zinc]

no IP?

[sullen valve]

Yogurt why did you leave us

[sick sentinel]

IP as well

"I refuse to play with Weakauras"

"I use some Was"

Which is it you dumb ass

[ebon geyser]

U guys where starting to be toxic and lot of nonsense bs @sullen valve

[tame garden]

Toxic abe

Classic

[ebon geyser]

Plus I was gonna take a break but switch to horde instead

[tidal sleet]

you don't have a "Do NOT release" WA?

[sick sentinel]

Mine says “DO release”

[strong forum]

Thanks for reminding me cikk

[tidal sleet]

lul dude

[strong forum]

I was about to make one

'don't better get yell"

Is what I wanted to do

Thx for reminding me

[chilly brook]

@ebon geyser you're toxic

[neon tangle]

I don't even have WA installed

[undone sun]

ok contrarian

[sick sentinel]

God you are a better man than I

[warm plinth]

I didn't use WAs until like...late late Legion I think

[neon tangle]

I also don't have WoW installed

so that's something

[warm plinth]

But I also wasn't doing anything really insane

No keys higher than like 16 or 17 and nothing past normal raids

[sick sentinel]

I use them for fights where raid leader says they are required. Cause I’m not an animal that is going to make things difficult. But auras that play the game for you make me bitter

[warm plinth]

What auras play the game for you?

[undone sun]

very few

[tidal sleet]

there was that one with arrows for Jaina transition

I liked that one ❤️ lol

[sick sentinel]

I don’t know like an example is mekkatorque WA

[warm plinth]

Because I could argue that a Shield Block/LS tracker plays the game for you. Look at the icon on the buff bar you fuckin pleb

[strong forum]

Mekkatorque WA never worked

[sick sentinel]

Elitist ghash

[warm plinth]

😏

[empty nacelle]

what about the archimonde WA

[strong forum]

Bosses are designed with WAs / Bossmods in mind

[undone sun]

Archimonde WA was a god send

[sick sentinel]

I’m sure they are and I gues my issue lies with blizzard then

[strong forum]

well bruh, if you want to make it artifically harder for oyu

[warm plinth]

I mean

[strong forum]

you can also refuse to use a car, same thing

[empty nacelle]

im pretty sure they dialled back WA ability to do stuff because of the archimonde encounter

[undone sun]

yup

[sick sentinel]

I don’t think I even knew what a WA was on archimonde

[undone sun]

they messed with 3d interpretations for WA

[warm plinth]

Was it one of the pointy arrow go this way type of things or?

[strong forum]

ye

so you wouldnt clip each other with beams

[undone sun]

it was a series of lines that lined you up with the other person with your same debuff

[empty nacelle]

yes, but it updated based on everyone else's positions

[warm plinth]

Oh jesus

[empty nacelle]

yeah it was next level

[undone sun]

yeah, and the lines didn't overlap anyone else in the raid

[strong forum]

imagine Ashvane

[undone sun]

or it would kill them

[warm plinth]

Idiot proof af

[strong forum]

with that

so everybody could just move away perfectly

[warm plinth]

What does the decree helper do? Someone mentioned that earlier

[sick sentinel]

What you don’t like getting zapped by people

[empty nacelle]

i mean to be fair, without it you were fucked

[strong forum]

Decree Helper just tells you what to do 🙂

🙃

[sick sentinel]

Decree WA plays game for you

[undone sun]

it was definitely doable without

but much, much harder

[sick sentinel]

It’s not if entire guild uses it lol

[warm plinth]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

99.99% of things in wow are doable without WA

[strong forum]

yes

but doesnt mean you shouldnt use em

[empty nacelle]

coining socketed trinkets isnt 😦

[sick sentinel]

But I understand that it’s not best

[tame garden]

You can also play with no boots equipped

[strong forum]

i like WA

[sick sentinel]

I do that frequently

[strong forum]

helps me see shit way easier

and have better overlook on things

[sick sentinel]

That’s fair

[strong forum]

without doing brain gymnastics

[sick sentinel]

I like bendy brain

[empty nacelle]

i get your point though, i also prefer to err on the side of less WA over more

[warm plinth]

Do you guys think if EU didn't use WAs and NA did, we'd finally be on an even playing field?

[chilly brook]

Man I stop paying attention so I can work and it blows up in here

[sick sentinel]

Quit your job and join us

[chilly brook]

WAs are a fickle beast

[sick sentinel]

I’m just being toxic and people are criticizing my toxicity

[chilly brook]

But use as many as you need to deliver as much information as you need without over cluttering the screen to the point that you can't see

Be efficient

Ez

[warm plinth]

That was one hell of a sentence

[sick sentinel]

What if I require no information and hate seeing

Then how many WA do I use

[warm plinth]

You hate seeing?

[undone sun]

if you hate seeing anything important, just need one big one to cover your screen

[warm plinth]

No no, he didn't say he hated seeing anything important. He said he hates seeing

[sick sentinel]

Is there a WA that turns my screen black and allows me to play by sound and smell

[undone sun]

huh

[warm plinth]

I need you to stop. Who tf are you, Daredevil?

Daredevil plays WoW. Who's next, Jean Claude Van Damme?

😏

[sick sentinel]

🥴

[empty nacelle]

or you know, you can replicate the memey TBC UIs

much information

[sick sentinel]

That makes me want to throw up

[tame garden]

🙁

[warm plinth]

Is that Kaege's UI

😂

[sick sentinel]

That’s not playing wow that’s reading

And I can’t read so

[empty nacelle]

just googled tbc ui

thats what i got

[sick sentinel]

I use vanilla ui

😎

Tried to set up elvUI once and was too stupid and quit

[tame garden]

🤦‍♂️

[warm plinth]

You don't even have to set up ElvUI

You literally just install it and it's done

[oblique garnet]

well yeah if you just leave it non customized

but that kinda defeats the purpose

[warm plinth]

Does it? Still looks different from the default UI 🤔

[undone sun]

it's useable as you install it

[ebon geyser]

I mean if I can set elvui

Anyone can

[undone sun]

but i highly recommend customizing it

[warm plinth]

I'm too stupid for that part. Like, I've reorganized action bars and unit frames but I'm too dumb to do anything fancy

I got into a fight with Plater this morning

Could not understand why my nameplates were never going to 1.00 alpha

So I can't see me doing fancy scripts and shit with ElvUI

[empty nacelle]

i was trying to mess with it, gave up, and imported a profile instead

[strong forum]

having this type of combat text is so fucking useless

nsct is where its at

that shit clean

[empty nacelle]

i just turned off combat text

[strong forum]

na i want to see the numbers im doing

to have more feedback than just DPS meter

[empty nacelle]

see id do that if say rampage was 1 big hit instead of 3

[sick sentinel]

I like to see big thunder clap 🤪

[strong forum]

but TC isnt big

just many

[sick sentinel]

Like when they are big and many

[warm plinth]

I have default Blizz combat text 😄

[sand egret]

+1

[sick sentinel]

I have default blizzard everything

[tame garden]

Boomers

[sick sentinel]

You young whipper snappers with your fancy UIs and your WAs and your non trackpad PCs

[warm plinth]

Next you're gonna tell me you use a trackball

[empty nacelle]

i use siri

[wooden radish]

alexa, taunt azshara

https://tenor.com/view/kappa-smile-gif-14040974

[sick sentinel]

I don’t use a trackball but I still use a and d to turn rather than strafing which some people call old school lol

[warm plinth]

Keyboard turning 🤢

[wooden radish]

old school lol

[ionic fern]

ALMOST a minute of meta. 😦

[chilly brook]

Keyboard turning is just bad

[wooden radish]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[chilly brook]

Not even oldschool

It's just objectively bad

Like clicking

[sick sentinel]

I don’t keyboard turn, but I run sideways rather than strafing with a and d... make sense?

Strike my comment from the record

[warm plinth]

Run sideways. You mean...strafe?

[wooden radish]

isn't that just strafing

lol

@ionic fern i love the memes in this discord. ty for my enjoyment today

[ionic fern]

Did someone call the meme police?

[sick sentinel]

I’m leaving ghash is elitist and toxic

[wooden radish]

@warm plinth stop being toxic

[strong forum]

ye fuck you ghash

toxic cunt

[wooden radish]

@strong forum 😉

[strong forum]

bro stop

i can only get so erect

okay gotta head under the radar again

dont wanna get banned

[sick sentinel]

🤪

I’m going to become a brew main where everyone is required to be under the same IQ threshold

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto What's happening? Why am I taking your place?

[sick sentinel]

There always has to be a gary gurgich

[tidal sleet]

holy #(%@ keyboard turning?!

why not use the arrow keys for that bro... forehead

[strong forum]

na

use forehead for keyboard turning

way more efficient

[sullen valve]

keyboard turning is good

[warm plinth]

Tbf he's not actually keyboard turning. He just explained himself wrong.

[sullen valve]

woah don't flame brew

they are fun to chat with

[strong forum]

i dont even know whats going on

i was just chiming in

and heading out again 👋

[sullen valve]

same

[outer dew]

If you dont keyboard turn you're not a real gamer

Let's be real

[sullen valve]

if you don't use wowA you're not a real gamer

[warm plinth]

Tofu, don't go breakin' my heart 💔

[lusty grotto]

Ghash you need ot calm down

what the fuck is wowA

[outer dew]

Wow analyzer I think

[lusty grotto]

oh

[outer dew]

If you dont spreadsheet to do a manual sim

[oblique garnet]

@sullen valve

[lusty grotto]

yeah i read that was updated recently

[outer dew]

Are you a real gamer?

[lusty grotto]

tofu quiet down the boomers are talking

[warm plinth]

Nimchip, have you seen the new meme I created

[outer dew]

Thats

Boomer talk

Wdym

[lusty grotto]

yes

what new meme

[sullen valve]

Don't attack wowA

@ionic fern made it our love child

[lusty grotto]

tofu you're a traitor to the gnomish posse

[warm plinth]

This one

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

[warm plinth]

😂

[sullen valve]

Im in

[lusty grotto]

tofu is now banned from boomer premises for betraying his gnomish brethren

our gnomies are dissapointed

shit my gnome is now one of my banks 😢

[warm plinth]

You're not a gnome either Nim; you're a female orc

[lusty grotto]

Excuse me, im a human lady warrior okay?

[warm plinth]

Is it because they have big...weapons?

[lusty grotto]

hmmm....

yes

[oblique garnet]

Nuke classic tbh it broke twitchapp

[warm plinth]

It really did

[lusty grotto]

wat it do

[warm plinth]

It's probably Twitch's fault tbh

[lusty grotto]

wait im at work, did something happen

[warm plinth]

They're pushing classic addon updates as updates for retail addons

Which is causing problems for people

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

rip me when i log into retail tomorrow then

(have to log in to keep guild leadership)

[warm plinth]

Like the other day I didn't have nameplates at all because it pushed a classic Details build as a retail update, and Plater uses a Details library

[tame garden]

Thanks classic

[lusty grotto]

fucking details also broke the BG queues

in classic