protection

[rustic tinsel]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

Because he runs glutt on that week

[stoic pilot]

Yeah I forgot Ghash isn’t tank lol

[rustic tinsel]

So 5k dps Andy

[mental scarab]

🥳

[warm plinth]

Yeah I have a woyer but don't really do more than a +10

NOt super into tanking this expansion so far tbh

[stoic pilot]

This is my first expansion ever really committing into warrior

[rustic tinsel]

There’s nothing rewarding about tanking this expansion I’ve found

[mental scarab]

Yeas

[rustic tinsel]

Hence why you sit in queue looking for one forever

[stoic pilot]

It’s definitely a step down in fun compared to legion tank wise

[mental scarab]

S2 meme dps

[warm plinth]

My warrior is decently geared though; like 442 or 443 I think

[mental scarab]

👍🏻

[rustic tinsel]

Rip Reaping

90k dps Andy

[mental scarab]

Best thing ever

[rustic tinsel]

I found my prot spec got significantly better with the raid trinkets

[mental scarab]

Wich

[rustic tinsel]

Both edicts and urchin

[mental scarab]

/spelling

Ah uea

They are nice 🤩

[stoic pilot]

I finally got an urchin this week, it’s only 435 but wanting to try it out on a non necrotic week

[mental scarab]

Dont have edict dho🤥

[rustic tinsel]

Yeah it’s scuffed this week

Edict does quite a bit of healing overall

“Healing”

[stoic pilot]

Edict still pumps for me this week comparative to urchin but idk

[rustic tinsel]

Probably because it comes in chunks

[stoic pilot]

Not really doing too many high keys this week so just using dps trinkets

[rustic tinsel]

Rather than the urchin

[stoic pilot]

Yeah true

[rustic tinsel]

So you’re probably getting it at the beginning of necro stacks

[warm plinth]

This is what my tank's DPS looks like with vop/glutt btw 😄

[rustic tinsel]

Yeah ew

Sub 20k

[stoic pilot]

I’m more concerned that your hpal ain’t pumping

Consecrate moar

[warm plinth]

It was a 19; we're not used to them yet so she was probably a lot more focused on healing than normal

We've only done like 3 of them so far

[rustic tinsel]

Seeing tanks do under 30k dps confuses me

[stoic pilot]

If you just dedicate a couple globals pet wings to consecrate hpal dps is nutty without even gaming glimmer

Per*

[rustic tinsel]

But I realize that’s a very warrior specific issue

[warm plinth]

lol

[rustic tinsel]

Can’t wait to get globaled when you eye beam too early

[stoic pilot]

Lmao

[rustic tinsel]

And rip everything off the tank

[warm plinth]

Nah man, that's why I have natural dodge 😏

[rustic tinsel]

Sorry

2 globales

[warm plinth]

Plus my Blur reaction time is on point

[rustic tinsel]

Globals

[warm plinth]

I have a hair trigger for that shit XD

[stoic pilot]

I remember my friend played arms back in legion and he would only aoe burst on pull with skittish when he had parry up

Or else he wouldn’t even finish bladestorm before dying

[warm plinth]

😂

[rustic tinsel]

You know

[warm plinth]

Skittish really was a non-affix in Legion though

[rustic tinsel]

I forget arms warriors exist

[warm plinth]

For any tank

[stoic pilot]

Yeah truthfully it wasn’t really that bad

Just the on pull sketchy ness of being a melee dps

[rustic tinsel]

Skittish still is a pretty much non-affix outside of the few low dps output tanks

[stoic pilot]

Was frightening

[daring marlin]

So basically bdks

[analog zinc]

skittish is still basically a non-affix this xpac

imo skittish should be baseline

[daring marlin]

lol

good meme brother

[warm plinth]

^

While we're at it, let's just bring back Sunder armor and make you wait for 3 sunders

[daring marlin]

Salvation too

and soulshatter

[warm plinth]

lul

Fuck I forgot about blessing of salvation 😂

[analog zinc]

i mean if pallys are getting auras back

make an aura of salation

works on all non-tanks

[daring marlin]

while we’re at it give cats cower too

All that old stupid shit cuz threat management is skill and yada yada

[warm plinth]

Exactly. It's not arbitrary slowdown at all

[analog zinc]

i mean why not

why is rogue & hunter the only classes with threat managment

& there's an entire affix around threat

[daring marlin]

Because throttling dps was stupid.

[warm plinth]

Tbh I have no idea why rogues do. But hunters do because they're supposed to be "pullers"

Or at least, originally that was kind of the idea

[daring marlin]

And have fun playing the classes with no threat dump

[analog zinc]

as you said, give pallys blessing of salv

[warm plinth]

If you're gonna give pally salv then what's the point of doing it at all

You're proposing we have a mechanic but also a direct counter to that mechanic that makes it a non-mechanic

That's dumb lol

[analog zinc]

then don't give them salv

[warm plinth]

I honestly want to know why you would want that

[shut summit]

[analog zinc]

i find skittish more fun

makes it so threat is actually important

[daring marlin]

muh sides

[tame garden]

[warm plinth]

I mean, threat isn't actually important with skittish though. It's far more about DPS just having to stand there like an idiot for a few seconds than about you doing anything different.

[tame garden]

You just bring a rogue and absolutely nothing changes

[warm plinth]

Isn't actually important with regards to you doing different things to get it I mean

[tame garden]

Nice affix

[analog zinc]

then remove rogue & hunter's misdirect or make it so more classes have counterplay

[warm plinth]

You don't change your rotation during skittish so idk how it's more fun to have your DPS randomly get 1-shot because they jumped the gun by a second

[daring marlin]

^

[tame garden]

Yeah skittish is dps affix

Unless you're holding back on other weeks

[lusty grotto]

toxic-hold

:]

[strong forum]

skittish is a dps affix true

if you decide to glacial for 350k + fir global in s2 its your fault

[sharp sable]

I just recently returned to the game. 396 ilvl and climbing. Any tips for throwing together a quick solid tank set ?

[strong forum]

ilvl > everything

[sharp sable]

For m+

[strong forum]

ilvl > everything

if you have same ilvl pieces take the one with haste

m+ is ilvl>haste>crit

raid is ilvl>haste>versa

[warm plinth]

Nome is ilevel>haste>>>>>>skill

[strong forum]

no im skill >>>>>>>>>ilvl

[sharp sable]

Ok

[tame garden]

Bear > prot

[strong forum]

vdh > all

[sick sentinel]

sub rogue>outlaw rogue

what ilvl do i need for normal mechagon as tank?

[warm plinth]

Are you pugging or doing it with a group

[sick sentinel]

pug

[warm plinth]

Probably like 420-425 to feel safe lol @sick sentinel

[strong forum]

since its quite overtuned it can be a challenge at 400

[sick sentinel]

ty

[true plover]

Would you guys gamble away DC/Incite the pack/OP/Impassive vis or DC/Blood Rite/Heed my call/bury the hatchet?

for M+

[warm plinth]

Like you'd have to scrap the piece to gamble? Or you just wanna know which slot could be improved upon more?

[true plover]

nah I'd just be gambling one of those slots

[warm plinth]

What are the alternatives to Incite/Blood Rite?

[true plover]

bloodsport

I have 82k residuum so I can gamble for two slots so I might be able to gamble for both of them if I manage to upgrade one of them on the first go.

[hallow phoenix]

I'd gamble the incite the pack

But what else is in that slot

[true plover]

?

[hallow phoenix]

What other traits are in the same ring as incite the pack*

[true plover]

Same thing as the other piece, bloodsport.

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah I'd replace the piece that has incite then. My understanding of bloodrite is it can have pretty good uptime in m+

[true plover]

No BoM again rip

[hallow phoenix]

:(

[true plover]

I got a pretty good one but I'm about to scrap it to gamble another one for BoM lol

[exotic spoke]

Sup qtpies

[warm plinth]

👋

[distant crystal]

[vague badge]

Just tried mechagon with 397 ilvl. They are hitting my head with a sledgehammer, holy moly the damage I receive is bonkers 😂

[warm plinth]

Yeah you gotta have block up for quite a few mechanics in there

[strong forum]

Ye it's slightly overturned

Very slightly

[hallow phoenix]

Just a little

[warm plinth]

At least it's not Seat-level overtuned

[strong forum]

Hah

[warm plinth]

Or Cathedral when it first came out 😂

[hallow phoenix]

Is anything in there even spell reflectable other than king mechy

[strong forum]

There's only physical stuff

[hallow phoenix]

Feels bad

[warm plinth]

Taze is reflectable 😏

[strong forum]

Trust me ghash, going into mecha will be torture for the first couple weeks until the roll out even more nerfs

In m+

[warm plinth]

Oh for sure

[strong forum]

Like literal torture

[warm plinth]

I don't disagree

[vague badge]

Even with boster last stand, my health is playing ping pong vs simple trash mobs

[strong forum]

Yup 🙃

[hallow phoenix]

Just you wait until last hallway

[strong forum]

And they aren't even getting nerfed for m+

Haba

Hahab

Hahhabavbabbs

[warm plinth]

Last hallway is clearly designed to be played with the shields in mind though wouldn't you say?

[hallow phoenix]

For sure

[strong forum]

You will have to

Otherwise it'll be literally impossible

[hallow phoenix]

Until some random DPS cleaves off it

[strong forum]

Without Lust

[warm plinth]

It trucks pretty hard even on reg mythic and I don't even think they nerfed it in the patch at all

[strong forum]

Not yet no

[hallow phoenix]

I'll just be death skipping the hallway if possible, depending on how bad it really is

[warm plinth]

They nerfed Rapid Fire though iirc, which is 100% avoidable 🙄

[strong forum]

The nerfed last boss dmg by 50%, so that's atleast somewhat in the right direction

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's good. Otherwise Giga-Zap would be 1-shotting very soon

[strong forum]

Still won't be nough tho

[vague badge]

So, it's "normal" for mechagon trash to hit that hard ?

[strong forum]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Yeah because the base dungeon was released later than the rest, and since there's no M+ it was designed to be more difficult

That's why it drops higher gear too

[vague badge]

At least a saving grace

Now I don't feel AS bad

[strong forum]

You can die in there even with 450 ilvl

Fairly easily

[warm plinth]

Yeah, we've wiped a few times doing weekly HM runs just because we got a little overzealous with pulls lol

[strong forum]

Yup

[vague badge]

Ooookay, good to hear 😃

Then I won't loose hope and try my best in there

[warm plinth]

What ilevel are you?

[strong forum]

397

[vague badge]

397

[warm plinth]

Oh, jesus

[vague badge]

370 ilvl shield 😅

[warm plinth]

That's not surprising to me at all then 😂

[strong forum]

Hf with tank buster

You might die

[warm plinth]

Wreck is gonna feel super good

[vague badge]

So should I skip it for now ?

[strong forum]

Or rather you probably will die

[warm plinth]

Platinum Pummeler is gonna truck too

[vague badge]

And get some gear in m0?

[strong forum]

More like m+

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would get to like, 410-415 at least if you're pugging

[vague badge]

I just wanted to do it for the essence

[strong forum]

400 is very ambitious with pugs

[vague badge]

Okay okay

[strong forum]

Dog will hurt

[warm plinth]

😄

[strong forum]

And tank buster will probably outright kill you if you don't use stuff

But it doesn't hurt to try

If you and your group is willing

[warm plinth]

When you say tank buster do you mean Wreck or?

[strong forum]

It's defo possible

Yes

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[strong forum]

He's called tank buster

[vague badge]

The jump from hc dungeons was kinda steep and I was like WTF Is going on

[strong forum]

Afaik

[warm plinth]

Ohh, you're right; didn't even think about that

I just think of it as HK8 lol

[vague badge]

I'm doing it with a pug group via the finder tool

[strong forum]

I mean if they don't mind

Just see how far you can go

[vague badge]

So they won't stick for long if I bite the dust

[strong forum]

You can defo clear it

Will just take like 2hrs

2-3hrs

If its your first time

[warm plinth]

Do you know the mechanics of the dungeon? Because that might be a problem lol

[vague badge]

Checked out like 4 videos

We came to that duo boss

And I got my face smashed in

[warm plinth]

Make sure you get the buffs from the little robots; that'll help a little at least (until you die 🙃)

[strong forum]

Ah so that's how you got your pfp

[warm plinth]

Really? Trixie and Naeno aren't really that dangerous for the tank. At least, not really any more dangerous than it is for the rest of the party

[strong forum]

Exde

[warm plinth]

You can sidestep Bolt Buster which is the only tank specific thing

[strong forum]

If you kil trixi insta, naeno hurts

[warm plinth]

Well yeah, but that's why you don't do that XD

[vague badge]

Nah I mean the trash before them

[warm plinth]

Ohhh

Okay, yeah. That shit can hurt

[strong forum]

Ye the trash is very dangerous

[vague badge]

I think I should try m0 out first

[warm plinth]

Just be careful to pull shit back so you don't aggro other mobs because a double pull in that area is spicy even at higher ilevels

Lots of random group damage, the dogs doing their stupid bork shit

[vague badge]

Doing mechagon with nearly 0 tanking experience was a little overkill

[warm plinth]

Yeah, a little bit

[vague badge]

Well, thanks for the heads up. Now I won't leave tanking until my next embarrassment

[mint needle]

I have been watching a few of Naowhs streams lately and I noticed he runs Nullification Dynamo a lot. Any tricks to using it rather than other essences?

[exotic spoke]

It’s not really that good in m+ as its not able to be consistently popped in most cases

[dull violet]

I primarily tank M+ Dungeons (10's - 15's). Should I keep tradewinds, or switch it out for Iron Fortress?

[warm plinth]

Eh, offensively Trade is better. But IF is a really good all-around trait. Your call really

[dull violet]

Yea, that's what I expected to hear. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I wasn't considering.

[warm plinth]

If you were doing anything higher I'd go with IF because of the block

Since your shield is on the lower side

[exotic spoke]

What’s the other trait option on your chest - DC and what?

[dull violet]

CR

also thanks, ill probably change it

[exotic spoke]

Eh, just was curious.

I’d go for another chest piece too

[winged grail]

I'm about to hit 200k Titan Residuum for a head piece, primarily for M+ (18+), is there a BiS that I should really get?

[warm plinth]

Abyssal Malevolence

[dull violet]

I should be going for the Ashvane Warden's Cuirass, right?

[jade socket]

For chest yes

[dull violet]

Alright cool. thanks.

[vagrant bluff]

Is there a haste cap?

[left hatch]

no

[vagrant bluff]

ty

[left hatch]

not even a soft cap, stack it as high as you can haha

[vagrant bluff]

🙂

[left hatch]

(without sacrificing ilvl that is)

[analog zinc]

no there's a haste cap

i'm just not sure how to calculate it

[distant crystal]

there is but it's mostly irrelevant

[undone sun]

200% 👏

[analog zinc]

i know the vengeance haste cap is 1900%, that's when you can cast Immolation aura every gcd

[distant crystal]

lol

[analog zinc]

i'd imagine the prot war cap would be around 900%, whne you can cast shield slam every gcd

[undone sun]

probably closer to have sb up 100%

[distant crystal]

the softcap is when you can clap every gcd during avatar iirc

Mwahi figured it out one day in here

[analog zinc]

i was barely under being able to clap every gcd with last boss of temple buff

softcap is when you can clap every gcd without avatar

[oblique garnet]

What

[fallen relic]

so usually i play DK, BRM, or Bear, but lately I've been thinking warriors seem to be consistently solid and don't get changed around a ton. Is this generally the case?

I'm just looking for something that I can consistently main, tank m+ well on, and not have to worry about fluctuating wildly between globaled, or mini-god. Just a solid middle of the road.

[oblique garnet]

From the looks of it for last season of bfa in m+ warrior looks the strongest tank for high m+

[fallen relic]

i'm kind of looking for across expansions, like legion i loved bear. now it doesn't feel good to play.

it seems like warrior is consistently fun and desirable as a tank

[analog zinc]

its absolutely gonna be the top m+ tank next tier

for raids, it'll be bottom tier, but you'll still be relatively close to the other tanks, balance is pretty good rn

[fallen relic]

I guess I'll give it a go. Can't really hurt I'm just doing keys on my DK then logging anyways

Also I'm having a ton of fun charging and leaping my way through dungeons vs hobbling my way through.

[analog zinc]

whats the base cd on shield slam

9s?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 9 seconds

[analog zinc]

ok so the haste cap on prot warrior is 1100%, that's when you can cast shield slam every gcd

[distant crystal]

but into the fray

[exotic spoke]

Warriors are going to be fine for raid too. People are, in my opinion, overvaluing certain things and are historically wrong with the rank meta

[distant crystal]

i've overvalue your face

[analog zinc]

no i've been right every time

"monk will be good"

[distant crystal]

what a visionary

[warm plinth]

Should make a ranking video City

"Monk will be good" /end

[undone sun]

1m views

[ebon geyser]

thyme u still out of wow

[undone sun]

yup

[ebon geyser]

😦

[analog zinc]

DK will be good because they scale well

[undone sun]

EvERYoNe scAleS WElL

[ebon geyser]

dont they scale well at the end of the tier with gear?

[analog zinc]

they scale well with stamina 🙂

[ebon geyser]

im debating on what to use my 120 on war or dk

[analog swift]

war

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not even a hard choice 😅

[chilly brook]

@ebon geyser whichever one you enjoy more

[lyric copper]

no, just roll the one thats going to be stronger in the next patch, why would you roll something just because you like playing it

[undone sun]

🤔

[vague badge]

Okay, mythic 0 is a joke compared to mechagon 😂

[nimble mauve]

Hey, dudes. I have a trinket question. I currently have a 430 socketed Rezan, 430 Butcher, and 430 Animated Blood. For Mythic Plus, which trinkets would you lean towards? Currently I am using Rezan and Vial. The Vial is used with Avatar.

[distant crystal]

i'd use rezan block

[nimble mauve]

Is it for the crit parry?

[warm plinth]

Same

Crit is our 2nd best DPS stat in M+ and yes, the parry is nice too

[nimble mauve]

I'm not too well versed with prot yet :(

[distant crystal]

static str is nicer than static mastery

and yeah, crit is sweet

[nimble mauve]

Oo

The base stat being strength is a really good point.

Okay. I think I'll go back to using the block for a little bit. I felt weird using the Vial because I didnt always have the timing right due to AM reducing Avatar sometimes. So occasionally I didn't even have it for every other Avatar. Kinda felt like I was losing a lot of the benefit from it and I wanted to run it by some other people before I went changing stuff. Thank you.

[warm plinth]

Yeah especially with VoP, it doesn't line up that well anymore

[tawny sphinx]

Do you think bdk will go back to being meta again in 8.3?

I just thought that prot warri will go back again. But then this 😦

[oblique garnet]

No because bdk will still flop over and die in m+

The higher the key levels go the more likely bdk is getting globaled compared to warrior or monk

[sick sentinel]

Yeah sorry, 5% armor isn't going to save BDK from getting picked off the ground.

[strong forum]

People that scream that bdk is going to be better because of scaling are dilusional

[sick sentinel]

Is relational normalization gizmo better than bom?
in the last m+ i did, rmg has like 30% uptime compared to 50% bom uptime
and rmg gives 2x stats compared to bom

additionally some of the bom uptime is from vop procs, so only 30% stats

[strong forum]

No

The crazy thing about bom is, it's not random

Rng is very good yes

Engi helmet is 4th best in the game currently

But the on demand mastery of bom is what makes it so strong

[barren torrent]

Will have CnS rank 3 next reset on my war and was wondering if CnS rank 3 major could be competitive against VoP major in M+. Do you guys have any idea?

[strong forum]

I've been using it this week for the first time

Not half bad

Especially in Underrot for the swarmers and the buffed skeletons

The double vers is also nothing to scoff at either

It's defo not bad to play it from time to time

[barren torrent]

Ye thanks for your thoughts

It seems like kinda niche choice tho

[strong forum]

Yes

Offensively it's not great

[barren torrent]

Not doing high enough keys to need more defensively-wise so think I will give it a try but probably stick to good ol' VoP

Anyway thx for your replys buddy !

[strong forum]

👍

[vague badge]

Why is crit the 2nd best stat for m+ and not vers ?

[mental scarab]

Parry and more dmg

🤩

[wild slate]

stacking vers insnt a bad choice into dungeons with high magic damage like in motherload

@vague badge

[gentle olive]

So, i need alot of help on prot warrior i want to be really good, so i need some knowledge on rotation and stats + bis rest will come from practice.

[analog swift]

so read the guides

[brittle owl]

read guides > apply > fail > learn > get better

[muted sapphire]

overwhelming power is better than lifespeed right?

(haste proc vs static haste + avoidance)

[stoic pilot]

Yes

[brittle owl]

OP has high uptime

and there is an icd on the stack loss

[hasty nova]

so

bdk

is gonna be new meta huh?

[strong forum]

Not even close

Cuz they still have useless traits with 0 synergy

They will be better, but not meta

[sterile mantle]

I finally broke top 10 prot warrior on my server for M+ :)

[west galleon]

gz

[sterile mantle]

Next week is gonna be a good push week

Tyrannical, raging, volcanic

[west galleon]

i don't think that's next week

[rich zinc]

This week is Tyrannical Raging

[west galleon]

considering this week is tyrannical raging necrotic

[analog zinc]

qhat do you mean blood dk is gonna be great because they scale really well

[rich zinc]

I don't think that would happen 2 weeks in a row lol

[analog zinc]

like more stamina is really good for blood

[tame garden]

Next week is fort teeming quaking tides

[analog zinc]

because they wont get 1 shot

[sterile mantle]

The website I've using has it as that ans it's been right lol

[analog zinc]

so they can heal it 😮

[rich zinc]

Next week is teeming quaking fortified

[sterile mantle]

Well crap

[west galleon]

well i mean do u think it's gonna be tyrannical raging 2x in a row

[tame garden]

@rich zinc uwu

[west galleon]

it always alternates tyr and fort

[left hatch]

tyranical and fort always alternate

[rich zinc]

you know that website is incorrect because you can't have two tyrannical weeks in a row.

[left hatch]

soo....

[sterile mantle]

Hey its blizzard

Lol

[rich zinc]

@tame garden uwu

[sterile mantle]

I thought the same but trustednwebsite cause it's been right so far lol

My apologies fellowntanks

[left hatch]

and i think raging volcanic was one of the ones that got 'adjusted' to make it harder

[rich zinc]

If you use MDT, you can see the rotation of weeks

[tame garden]

I forgive you

[rich zinc]

By going to affixes, and looking down the list.

[left hatch]

so they probably just didnt update the list to replace volcanic with necro

[sterile mantle]

Still not a bad push week

[rich zinc]

Teeming fortified is bad next week

because it's tides week.

Some packs are unkillable.

[sterile mantle]

I hate necrotic

[tame garden]

Next week will be painful

[left hatch]

necrotic is one of the faster affixes tho

doesn't artificially delay time like bolstering

[sterile mantle]

What's week after?

[west galleon]

i thought they removed teeming fort

[vague badge]

Which sim options should I take at raidbots for m+?

[strong forum]

none

you cant properly sim m+

too many variables

[warm plinth]

This should take us pretty close to the end of the patch. Add 1 day for EU resets.

[vague badge]

And how would I sim my own stat weight?

[ebon hound]

you pretty much dont, ever. unless for trivia reasons

[strong forum]

ye stat weights are also not a thing anymore

[vague badge]

Mkay, and how do I know which stat is better ? Outside of guides or asking here ?

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > crit for m+

ilvl > haste > vers for raid

wanna know stats for all tanks?

ilvl > x

[outer dew]

The only lv I need is @warm plinth

😉

[warm plinth]

❤️

[rapid ore]

0k

[chilly brook]

@vague badge I mean why wouldn't you look at guides?

[strong forum]

:think:

[ivory barn]

👀

[strong forum]

ye i randomly checked "someone"

and saw that

👀

[tame garden]

👀

[somber sky]

I need that game! >:T

for...

research purposes ofc

[strong forum]

maybe you can find him without me needing to tag him 👀

[somber sky]

hey peeps and poops! had a q. i see that a lotta people run vers gear but at the same time i also see some high clearers go non vers gear to do more dps. I currently do 22k overall on +12s with my dps gear and 18k with vers. both are at equal ilvl at 443. which route should i go with?

I'm currently at 22% vers with my vers gear unbuffed

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > crit for m+
ilvl > haste > vers for raid

[somber sky]

oh gotcha

[strong forum]

people going full vers is either a meme

or for ULTRA high keys

23+

[somber sky]

and also last q

[strong forum]

going vers is not smth you do for damage

[warm plinth]

I'll do you for damage

[somber sky]

how will the big red button and anima be for next week? (skittish/quaking)

[strong forum]

pointless

skittish is a non affix

[somber sky]

I mean i would have to have a hunty or rogue in my group then

[strong forum]

if you know what youre doing, you will never in a million years have issues with skittish

[warm plinth]

Yeah we're like...the last tank that should have issues during Skittish

You don't need a hunter or a rogue as a warrior. Use your CDs like you're supposed to and you'll be fine.

[strong forum]

ye 22k on 12s is kinda low

prot warri is the tank with the highest dmg output

so trying to play around skittish with essences or specific trinkets is the completely wrong move

[warm plinth]

wait,

Where are you getting skittish/quaking from?

That's not even the affixes next week lol

[somber sky]

eyah smoenoe gave me WAs for my shield block and IP

[warm plinth]

That's not even a possible affix combination

[strong forum]

ye that too

[warm plinth]

Skittish and quaking are both level 7 affixes; you can't have both on the same week.

[somber sky]

wait i mean teeming and queaking

my bad

[strong forum]

next week is just gonna hurt like a motherfucker

[somber sky]

i didn't read that right.

sorry that's on me

[strong forum]

regardless

you dont do anything differently for skittish

[warm plinth]

Yeah, teem/fort is no fun 😢

[somber sky]

also i read it on astral keys. and they have been predicting it correctly than the mythic keystone thing

[strong forum]

ALSO
skittish is a dps affix, not tank affix

[somber sky]

i mean if ido the dps then don't it become my affix?

[strong forum]

if your DPS open with full burst, its their fault for being retarded

[warm plinth]

There are no predictions at this point

We have a set rotation for S3

[strong forum]

ye its no predictions, all the rotations are known

[warm plinth]

That being said, Astral Keys is correct; I think you probably just mix-and-matched the next two weeks :p

[strong forum]

no MrRox, if a DPS decides to beam first global before you can even touch the adds, its their fault

a smart DPS waits atleast 1 second

[somber sky]

oh that yeah kk

i mean wouldn't they already wait for hteir buffsto max out before they beam? i know i wait for the block to proc so i can crit my beam like a truck

[strong forum]

if you press avatar demoshout and thunderclap on CD, you should be easily able to keep aggro

[distant crystal]

i just tricks + beam the next pack because i have a folly proc

[warm plinth]

I don't hold iris for anything except tank threat

[strong forum]

^

[somber sky]

y'all i have a q

[distant crystal]

and /yell INCOMING!

[warm plinth]

Well, except for in FH where I will adjust for like crit brew or Man o' War

[strong forum]

i wish my dps were that smart waat

[warm plinth]

But only if I don't lose a cast

[distant crystal]

it's always fun when i do that but don't realize tricks is on cd

[strong forum]

:pepega:

[distant crystal]

ty riposte

[somber sky]

just like they were talking about having those special effects proccing on different pieces, (like devastation's hour proc on a trinket) would it be possible to have taht proc on a geti'ikku?

[warm plinth]

I did some DH tanking in a boost today; brewmaster couldn't hold aggro for shit XD

[strong forum]

yes

[somber sky]

that would be insane

[strong forum]

getikku can also get corrupted

[somber sky]

dude just imaging teh corruption that you have to deal with then

.>

[distant crystal]

someone linked a ss of corrupted geti

[strong forum]

now we dont know if its specifically the beam corruption

[distant crystal]

it was a crappy haste proc corruption iirc but it can get any of em

[strong forum]

or just the haste proc

[warm plinth]

Probably take some work to actually be able to use a corrupted weapon though, since I think all the effects are 75 corruption

[strong forum]

thats been posted

not my prot weapon 😏

thats only 35

😏 😏 😏 😏 😏 😏 😏 😏 😏

[distant crystal]

corruption is the healer's problem imo

[warm plinth]

Wonder if it's 1h/2h based? That would blow for fury 😂

[distant crystal]

wear it all

[somber sky]

imagine double effect + socket + enchanted on geti. MEGA NUT

[strong forum]

gl

gl being able to use it

at all

cuz 75 corruption

is a SHITTON

[somber sky]

i mean i would be able to use it only in the last week of the xpac xD

[strong forum]

exactly

big pad

[somber sky]

but pvp in that last week would be hilarious.

[strong forum]

but yes, corrupted weapons will be giga

and im excited for the grind

[somber sky]

everyone doing everythign and just pure chaos over the already existing chaos that is epic bg

[strong forum]

ah bgs

yikes

na im good

[somber sky]

xD

[strong forum]

arena sure

but bgs are pointless

[somber sky]

gotta get them BotE!

[strong forum]

na

[warm plinth]

I play a DH; I don't need BotE 😄

[strong forum]

cba

if i play DPS its arms or affli lock

sooooooooo

[distant crystal]

wdym

bote fel barrage

clap clap

[warm plinth]

lul

[strong forum]

fel barrage wasnt even good in s2

[distant crystal]

it's good in certain keys

fortified AD it slaps

[strong forum]

AD

the dungeon with 0 big pulls?

besides that 1

[distant crystal]

deleting saurids

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[distant crystal]

before they delete your tank

[strong forum]

never seen that

happen ever

everybody just goes pepega on those anyway

[distant crystal]

psycho was running it in like 23-24

last week

[strong forum]

not to mention Felbarrage is an ST dps loss

[distant crystal]

iirc

[warm plinth]

Not me. I just fel rush spam and that's it. I ain't doing no DPS on lil baby saurids

[strong forum]

depends

[warm plinth]

They're just hungry lil guys

[strong forum]

if its 3 - 4 saurids back to back

might aswell use eye beam on 2

[distant crystal]

well i think they're doing double saurid snaps

cause you have to to time very high AD fortified

[strong forum]

ye that i know

but still, they have so little HP

[warm plinth]

Ahahaha, he said to to

[distant crystal]

it was correct too 🙂

[strong forum]

Alexa play Africa by Toto

[warm plinth]

I just listened to that last night

[strong forum]

well youre missing the ,

[distant crystal]

but basically, if you're ever running fel barrage you wanna run bote with it imo

[strong forum]

or just beam for the same effect

[distant crystal]

i think it ends up working out where you get bote for every other barrage

not at all lol

[strong forum]

beam does 200k on every target

[distant crystal]

every 1.5 minutes

fel barrage ends up being about twice in that time frame

[strong forum]

ye but you get bote only for 1

of those barrages

[warm plinth]

Barrage has a 1 min CD so it'd be like...every 4 barrages you'd have BotE line up

[distant crystal]

barrage is reduced

like anger management

[warm plinth]

wat

[strong forum]

huh

[warm plinth]

No it's not 🤔

[strong forum]

thats news to me

[distant crystal]

you're not the first DH main i've encounted who didn't knonw that

kek

[warm plinth]

Literally the tooltip from the game; does not say that

[distant crystal]

or is wowhead just wrong?

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=211053/fel-barrage#comments

[strong forum]

wouldnt be the first time

[warm plinth]

wouldn't surprise me. Could just be an old version

[distant crystal]

time to test

[strong forum]

fel barrage isnt a level 120 talent

[warm plinth]

Nope. It's level 102

[strong forum]

sooo thats also wrong

if that 5sec CD thing was a thing

it would actually see play

[warm plinth]

Yeah it would be kinda broken tbh lol

Unless it was like 1ppm

[strong forum]

then you'd need more haste

and make furious gaze even better

and galecaller

[warm plinth]

Nah fuck galecaller

Take that shit out your mouth

[strong forum]

felbarrage + galecaller was a thing 🙃

[warm plinth]

I've gotten so many fuckin galecaller's lol

I hate using that thing; it's so aggravating

[strong forum]

3x furious gaze + felbarrage + galecaller was a thing in s2

iirc

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't surprise me

[strong forum]

ye it was

for giga pad

[warm plinth]

3 sec channel down to like <1.5 lol

[strong forum]

makes the cast finish in 1 sec or some shit

[distant crystal]

hmm

seems that wowhead is wrong af

[strong forum]

yup

[distant crystal]

f

[strong forum]

L

i dont disagree that fel barrage is fun AF

but its too niche

compared to trail

[distant crystal]

i guess it was a thing in legion

it apparently had multiple charges back then too?

[warm plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant crystal]

wowhead comments describe a much different thing back then

[warm plinth]

I'm like 90% sure you didn't use it really in Legion either, but I was mostly vengeance in Legion so I could be misremembering

[strong forum]

it wasnt used in legion no

and it was wonky AF

[distant crystal]

no i mean the CDR part

was a thing in legion i guess

[warm plinth]

Yeah

Makes sense

[strong forum]

it was different back then

[near ivy]

it was also on the same row as demonic

[warm plinth]

Oh man just noticed the 30 yd range 😂

[near ivy]

xd

[warm plinth]

That would've been fun

[near ivy]

just casually fel barrage both bosses on p1 azshara xd

[warm plinth]

lol

[distant crystal]

i still wanna find a group that will tank M QC bosses within flurry range

easiest r1 parse of my life

[strong forum]

uhm

not possible

[distant crystal]

yes it is

barely

[strong forum]

bosses have to be spread 21 yards from each other

[distant crystal]

and with acrobating strikes, hitting one boss max range with flurry on will barely clip

[strong forum]

i dont think flurry has 10.5 yards+ range

[distant crystal]

like 22 yards iirc

[strong forum]

thats stupid amounts of range

for a melee ability

[near ivy]

you arent gonna get precision to within 1 yard

not without accidently bringing them too close

and losing damage

[distant crystal]

i've done it on heroic but

[strong forum]

heroic is lower range

than mythic

iirc

[distant crystal]

it's a lot less tank hectic on hc

[strong forum]

i think its 9 yards on heroic

[distant crystal]

i mean it's a meme, tanks would wipe the raid doing that for any amount of time

on mythic at least

[strong forum]

mh okay its 21 on heroic and mythic

[warm plinth]

Hm, idk how you're getting them that far away tbh

[distant crystal]

if tanks were trying hard to make a rogue parse tho they could just do it when there's not a bad overlap

[warm plinth]

What is Blade flurry base range? 5 or 8?

[distant crystal]

and/or when the rogue has AR/potion/good buffs

[strong forum]

kek

[warm plinth]

If it's 8 you could do it I guess, with acrobatic strikes if you did like boss---rogue---boss

[strong forum]

the Outlul from my guild still has #1

on court

so GL waat

[distant crystal]

i never even killed it on my rogue

brought my scuffed priest alt to do double the dps instead :p

[strong forum]

i doubt your spriest does 112k dps

[distant crystal]

is 56K really the #1 outlul parse?

[strong forum]

yup

[distant crystal]

figured it would be more

since there's a bit of cleave

[strong forum]

coincidentally our last raid

[warm plinth]

He needs to have more originality in his name choices

[brittle owl]

going out with a bang

[daring marlin]

Before you Hiroshima’d your guild, right?

[strong forum]

he's a fucking god

lowkey

that was my #7 parse

now its a 24 😢

[distant crystal]

damn

he only got 1 ink proc too

tf

buggy ass trinket

ohh ya'll just killed em even

[strong forum]

0 spriests

10 melee 🙂

[distant crystal]

he never touched pash

except for some poen's droplets

:p

[strong forum]

look at those beautiful kill times

[distant crystal]

tfw my priest did more dps than his 100 parse and parsed 50

LUL

[strong forum]

cuz ranged are retarded on 2 target cleave thats so far spread

[distant crystal]

i'd have even had a 100 assassination parse :p

well, not all ranged

[strong forum]

fucking #1 parse for priest is 86k

[distant crystal]

spriest and warlock tho

[strong forum]

and boomy

[distant crystal]

we had a wipe where we killed 1 boss and the tank brought the living boss near the dead one's corpse

shielded it

lmao

[strong forum]

nice autism

[near ivy]

i tried searching this discord for the picture of the spreist with a mid 30s log doing more damage than a 99 fury

but apparently ive never sent a message in here

[strong forum]

this balance is amazing

[strong forum]

every dps #1 parse is around 60k

[distant crystal]

discord is busted lately

[strong forum]

except warlock which is close to 80k

and spriest above 85k

[near ivy]

found the log but obviously its outdated now

so not a 99

[distant crystal]

that's our first QC kill tho

[strong forum]

fucking pepega

[near ivy]

4k more dps

70% lower log

[distant crystal]

what is the difference between the parse % in log vs on your frontpage

my 50% front page log is 41% in the long

[strong forum]

idk man

shits scuffed

[near ivy]

98 vs 92

wcl dates are weird

[strong forum]

i had 99s on every boss

but due to them being old logs

they've decayed

cuz currently they arent 99s anymore

but not to what they are currently but a middle ground

like its a 97, but if you check actualy log its a 92

even tho when it was a kill, it was a 99

so fucking scuffed

[distant crystal]

yeah idk what the rhyme or reason is there

[strong forum]

just let me keep my 99s

:angery:

[sullen valve]

hit shield slam more during shield block

🙂

get the 100's

[strong forum]

na for that i'd need to get benthics too

and play HR here and there

and uunat pants

too much work

[sullen valve]

lazy

[wooden radish]

@exotic spoke do you prefer CoF major or Vision Major ?

[oblique garnet]

In what ?

[wooden radish]

M+

im trying to get essences in order on my prot warrior

[warm plinth]

All about dat Vision in M+

[wooden radish]

ok

so vision major, lucid minor and null minor ?

[warm plinth]

Nah, not null in M+; C&S or Sphere

I use Vision major, C&S/Sphere minors.

[wooden radish]

ok

[exotic spoke]

Vision

Vision, Lucid, Aegis is what im running right now

[junior ivy]

hi

whys marok hiding under nitro boosters

[warm plinth]

Riki bothers him so he hides. You gave him away

[junior ivy]

lol

[exotic spoke]

Hi catfriend

[junior ivy]

hi riki

@agile vessel

your pic

[agile vessel]

hi prot ping who this first time

[junior ivy]

love your pic

[agile vessel]

[analog zinc]

i heard a rumour that chinese prot wars sometimes use lucid major
why

[terse dragon]

I think it's a leech build

[potent anvil]

In keys? Its god mode on non-necrotic weeks, but thats about it.

[terse dragon]

Yah I've heard about Lucid Major leech build on grievous too

[analog zinc]

leech pog

[potent anvil]

Not just leech, IP uptime and 2 demo shouts inside 1 avatar cast, also 40s of avatar straight.

[analog zinc]

do they stack leech? Or just use the lucid major for the leech

[sturdy valve]

Is it simply for leech? It will shorten the avatar CD to right?

[exotic spoke]

Interesting

[terse dragon]

I'm not entirely certain, but I only heard about it specifically for the greivous week

I'm not sure about Necro 😦

[exotic spoke]

Run lucid, vision aegis? With that deswind?

[terse dragon]

I dont think Vision major provides much with all the kiting you need to do?

[exotic spoke]

So far I haven’t had to do much kiting

[warm plinth]

How often do you really have to kite lol

[exotic spoke]

I totally disrespect necrotic

[potent anvil]

Lucid, vision and w/e. I use sphere. But Im not entirely sold on lucid major.

[daring marlin]

[sturdy valve]

I'm wondering simply cuz I was looking at logs

[terse dragon]

In low keys you prob dont need to kite as much

but higher you go the more youre just gonna have to kite

[potent anvil]

Like its nice on like 12-15 mob pulls and your healer can basically ignore you.

[warm plinth]

I mean, Riki is doing 20/21 this week 🤔

[exotic spoke]

Msv, I’m talking 20-22s. I’m not kiting much

[sturdy valve]

Seemed like a popular essence, just can't see how I'd find it more desirable than vop most of the time

[exotic spoke]

Face tanking most of the shit

[terse dragon]

Oh im not sure then, I just decided not to tank this week lol

I only did 19 FH

[exotic spoke]

Why? This week isn’t bad

[warm plinth]

Yeah I like this week myself

[exotic spoke]

It’s not ideal / great. But it’s not bad

[sturdy valve]

It's thunderstruck week!

[potent anvil]

Its viable. You plan pulls around it, similar with running with fire mages. You become a self sustain tank.

[terse dragon]

I need a break from last week, and this week is hard to time bigger keys

[warm plinth]

And thus the leech meme is reborn 😭

[sturdy valve]

1k leech is like what, 25%?

[warm plinth]

More than that

[sturdy valve]

Thought it's 40 / 1%

[warm plinth]

No, that's avoidance, leech is less iirc

It's like 20 or 28?

Oh no you're right

It's 40

🙃

Idfk what I was thinking of

[potent anvil]

Eh, having IP uptime during lucid provides more hps than the leech. The leech just helps. And having like 30s of demo shout debuff is nice. Or w/e 2 demo shout + defeaning crash duration adds up to.

[warm plinth]

Close enough

[sturdy valve]

8+6? Don't remember

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's 8+6

[potent anvil]

The leech basically becomes overhealing unless you pull ridiculously big with lucid.

[sturdy valve]

Ye 14s so 28 in 2 casts

Alright, thanks des (pogwind is deswind right? 😅 )

[potent anvil]

I can see lucid major being strong in like FH when you can pull 3 packs together.

Yes, mods changed my name. One day I'll have it back.

[warm plinth]

Lucidwind

[exotic spoke]

F - Doubt

Doubtwind

[warm plinth]

Doubtwind has a nice ring to it

[oblique garnet]

@potent anvil lucid major

Let it go

[potent anvil]

It's viable, just has niche uses. Like FH and Waycrest can be good for it on fort weeks. 🤷

[oblique garnet]

Ok so you get 40 straight seconds of avatar sure with lucid

you can also get that with vop

Lucid is 2 min cd

If you play around it it lowers your overall avatar uptime

since it doesnt always line up

[potent anvil]

Its mostly for being self sustainy on big pulls. You get high IP uptime along with 28s of demo and 40s of avatar. You sac dmg for being able to pull tricky/dangerous pulls.

Thats pretty much it. I wouldnt use it for everything because its super weak outside of that planning.

[oblique garnet]

Also if youre running lucid major you will always pair that with vop minor yes ?

[potent anvil]

Yeah.

[oblique garnet]

Then you are effectively giving up sphere or cns minor

I understand it has some niche uses but overall i dont see the value in it

[potent anvil]

Well, I'm just explaining why there are some people using it and how its used. Like I said earlier, Im not sold on it but its a thing.

[oblique garnet]

Gonna have to test it next week to see if its worth in big pulls compared to other alternatives

[warm plinth]

I haven't seen this much SF chat in one channel in a long time

[potent anvil]

You do feel like god mode. When I tried it, you pretty much dont need the healer for a good 40 or so seconds.

But then you do no boss dmg and feel bad about your life choices

[warm plinth]

Lifechoiceswind

[oblique garnet]

Thats what i mean with running it you sacrifice alot of st dps aswell

[potent anvil]

Yeah, thats why its only good on fort weeks and when you plan on making some mongo pulls. If youre not doing that then vop is better.

[oblique garnet]

Also missing out on 333 haste / 400+ vers

[wooden radish]

leech memes notlikethis

[exotic spoke]

Leechip?*

[warm plinth]

Man when is Discord gonna fix their search!

[exotic spoke]

I don’t see anything wrong with it

No one important talked about it

[warm plinth]

It's working for you?

[exotic spoke]

The joke was “no one important talked about it” when you just asked about it

[warm plinth]

Wow

Rude

[exotic spoke]

Yup

[vague badge]

@chilly brook I ment, how to do it on your own. Back in the days we used to sim ourselves all the time to find out what gear would be better and stuff like that.
Of course I read the guides, I was just curious how to do so for dungeons and m+

[chilly brook]

But like the guide says there are no stat weights for defense and you've never been able to sim yourself defensively @vague badge

[vague badge]

I was a DPS in the past 😃 so I assumed it also worked for tanks
But thanks for the heads up

[chilly brook]

You can sim for dps but know that you aren't going to be getting any valuable defensive information out of it

[left hatch]

tfw a 450 font drops for you. and your dps have a collective aneurism because you can't trade it

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet Thanks 🙄

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth 🙂

[empty nacelle]

what ever happened to theck? did anyone continue his work in quantifying tank survivability?

[lethal zinc]

In higher keys does the Dark iron racial over shadow the meld for skips or is it still viable for either?

[strong forum]

Both is viable, but you save more time by being able to skip everything with meld

[distant crystal]

having meld on your tank is only really useful if the whole group has meld

[ionic fern]

While that is true remember that meld gets its full benefits if you're in a cordinated group where everyone melds/skips.

[distant crystal]

or at least the non-rogues

[strong forum]

Well im assuming everybody is nelf

In that scenario

If its not, did is better

[ionic fern]

For pug's id take dworf racial 99% of the time.

@empty nacelle no idea - think he quit a while ago.

[distant crystal]

nelf on a healer

or some kind of hybrid that can at least cast a ranged rez

is p big tho

even for pugs

[ionic fern]

Jeah, then it'd be useful.

[brittle owl]

@empty nacelle no one did and he gave up as well when it became common knowledge that you can't sim survivability

it's intrinsically impossible to do so

[empty nacelle]

yeah i was just curious

[brittle owl]

wait i lie

[empty nacelle]

i enjoyed reading his stuff

[brittle owl]

there's askmrrobot 😂

[empty nacelle]

lmao

[brittle owl]

but that's sketchy af to say the least

but anyway if you wanna brag about your TUF go for it, nothing wrong with memeing

[empty nacelle]

i just enjoyed the blog tbh

[inland bolt]

@exotic spoke yo how are you clearing stacks this week?

im struggling on some bosses since im getting 20+ stacks without a clear

do I just look for 2-3 parries, and then get my dh to taunt and tank with blur till it resets?

[ionic fern]

What bosses are you struggling with?
Most of them have some downtime so with that + leap you can clear.

[strong forum]

The only one that comes to mind that's kinda iffy is galvazzt

Rest should be able to naturally clear it

[brittle owl]

even on galvazzt, with decent enough parry you should be clearing naturally

or just have a dps taunt it for a few sec

[fickle maple]

Anyone tested prot in Nya lotha?

Ptr

[brittle owl]

prot's fine

[vocal nimbus]

No class changes so it wont change much

[ionic fern]

Class changes are only a part of it - the other part is damage type from the new raid.
Is it mainly physical? Is it mainly magic? Is it consistent damage? Is it spike damage? Is it blockable? etc.

[brittle owl]

yea true

prot 👏 is 👏 fine 👏

[sick sentinel]

Its mostly magical damage I think

So dk would be good

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

You think

would

[brittle owl]

also dk good vs magic damage is HIGHLY debateable

[strong forum]

Most of dmg will still be physical. Bosses still melee

[slim pier]

^

case closed

BDK sucks dick

Just kidding

[strong forum]

They only suck healthstones

[slim pier]

KEKW

[brittle owl]

and externals

and healing

[slim pier]

Everyone sucks healing

[ionic fern]

Even BDK discord has a nice pin about it.

[slim pier]

Did they pin the guy asking for pin?

[undone sun]

yes

that image is pinned

[brittle owl]

yes

[oblique garnet]

@gaunt dawn Thank you based Panthea

[ionic fern]

^

[slim pier]

Big brain

[undone sun]

image within an image pinned

[gaunt dawn]

Hi

[strong forum]

👋 🌊

[gaunt dawn]

It was requested twice so we showed it

[ionic fern]

Just the daily "BDK fotm in new raid".

[slim pier]

I'm pretty sure this came out due to Preach's video

[strong forum]

Kekw

[gaunt dawn]

🙂

[ionic fern]

😂

[undone sun]

🤣

[ionic fern]

Yes, this started with Preach.

[gaunt dawn]

👌 📈

[strong forum]

I hate non-tanks talking about tanks.

Like bruh

[undone sun]

even his non tank videos are off

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oblique garnet]

Wasnt first mythic tests also with bosses that had basically no physical damage anyways

[oblique garnet]

Also hivemind being kinda undertuned

[slim pier]

That's a big emoji

sorry

[strong forum]

Not big enough

[undone sun]

what can you do without cross server emotes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

That's a major lamo

[slim pier]

Yeah