protection

[west galleon]

the 3/8 andys that repeat that and say, only this tank will be good are talking out of their ass

[sand egret]

it's just a skewed perception based on anecdotal evidence. Take as much as you can from it

[warm plinth]

I literally have yet to see a tank prediction or tank ranking video that didn’t have gaping holes in it/was flat out wrong

[tame garden]

Wait til you see my video

[sand egret]

Speg's are always spot on

[tame garden]

Bet you cant guess what's at #1

[sand egret]

🤔

[tame garden]

🙂

[undone sun]

Don't you do it

[warm plinth]

@outer dew is #1 on my ranking list

[outer dew]

🙈

😊

[analog zinc]

i can thunderclap while hexed in the comp stomp brawl

is that a bug?

[west galleon]

no

you can tclap in a lot of cc for some reason

like in bubbles on ashvane

[exotic spoke]

^^

Speg Tank Ranks:

[ivory barn]

If I got engineering and save a shitload of mats for 8.3 for the 450 crafted helm andd crafted it after the patch to scrap it wiould that net in Residuum 🤔 I saw a video where if you were holding the armor in your bags when teh patch went live it didnt net in any

[exotic spoke]

Could test it on PTR. I don’t know if anyone knows

[sand egret]

hypothetically, yes that should work.

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern whAT iS tHE TaNk mETA 4 8.3? Is woYeR anY GOOd?

[signal plover]

No

We don't even have prot as a spec anymore

[brittle owl]

jesus fkin YEET yes

[tame garden]

1. bear

[limpid pawn]

What’s the best single target chest price

Piece

[brisk ferry]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_protection?data_view=azerite_traits&type=chest

[ivory barn]

.< highest I've ever done is a +15 😢

[tame garden]

You can do it

[undone sun]

time to get good

[signal plover]

Thyme to get good

[lusty grotto]

HEY!

you guys take that back

pls dont be toxic to boomers

talking about riki who summoned me and Late

[sand egret]

ok boomer

[lusty grotto]

im glad we have reached an understanding

[oblique garnet]

ok boomer

[lusty grotto]

yes of course

boomerchip

[tame garden]

Ok boomer

[lusty grotto]

millenial-hold

😢

[undone sun]

zoomer hold

[exotic spoke]

Ok Boomer / chip

[lusty grotto]

im not toxic chip anymore

sry

boomerchip

you guys are the toxic ones 😉

speaking of which

i need to know the classic rdruid and priest discorsd

[undone sun]

toxicity is subjective
from my point of view the nimchip is evil

[lusty grotto]

but dreamgrove is lacking in classic content, and priests have 2 fucking ones

[undone sun]

there are classic specific servers ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tame garden]

Druid in classic

[exotic spoke]

You mean MotW bot?

[sand egret]

they're too busy running Gnomegon for the millionth time to make one

[exotic spoke]

Heyyyyy it’s blades pfp back with a hat

[wooden radish]

@undone sun classic content in dreamgrove when

[tame garden]

Theres a classic channel

[undone sun]

xdee

[tame garden]

I've had it muted since day 1

: )

[undone sun]

we had talked about getting classic specific guides but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

that was prior to launch and it hasn't been discussed since

[lusty grotto]

not really thyme

hammer of wrath is all in the same discord

fight club is a split of skyhold

[undone sun]

but i also don't go into a generic store complaining they don't have my specialty part

im sorry we aren't HoW

[lusty grotto]

so it depends

[undone sun]

i also don't like how HoW does their channels

[lusty grotto]

some are split, others are not

[undone sun]

👎

yes i know

[lusty grotto]

either way i cant find the druid classic one, or the priest classic one

[undone sun]

dreamgrove is split

[lusty grotto]

figured

[undone sun]

but none of us from DG have any ties with the classic one

[lusty grotto]

i see

[undone sun]

discord.gg/UmPt3QP

[exotic spoke]

@blazing dune just curious with the change you mentioned in general char earlier today - is someone else taking over writing the guides we refer to in order to help new players?

[oblique garnet]

@ionic fern is taking over icy-veins afaik

[exotic spoke]

Thanks Late! Just wanted to make sure we wouldn’t be referring someone to out of date info

[blazing dune]

Yeah, Mwahi is doing IV :)

[tame garden]

[warm plinth]

So not out of date, just wrong

[exotic spoke]

[warm plinth]

❤️ @ionic fern

[exotic spoke]

That’s a strike ghash

[blazing dune]

So nothing changes really

[warm plinth]

RIP

[exotic spoke]

Thanks and sorry for the ping - wasn’t sure who else would know but figured you would

[warm plinth]

Uh oh

[ionic fern]

Ghash so toxic today...you need a hug bud?:(

[warm plinth]

I need a nap tbh

[ionic fern]

Same,12am..gotta wake up in 5h.

[warm plinth]

I went to bed at 4:15 pm yesterday and woke up at 8:15 pm and been up since

It’s now 4:08pm

[oblique garnet]

Ez bote/sphere done in a day

[ionic fern]

Then you need a full night sleep not a nap

[exotic spoke]

Could be worse mwahi. Couple weeks ago I was awake at 530 and had to get up at 830

[warm plinth]

Potato, potahto

[ionic fern]

With Brawl Late?

[oblique garnet]

yup

[exotic spoke]

Heard Korrak works for it too

[oblique garnet]

yeah but thats not good honor

[warm plinth]

Mwahi does this mean you’ll get an emoji now?

[exotic spoke]

:mwahi:

[ionic fern]

Just rename it

[warm plinth]

Lol

If we’re gonna go that direction, I request we keep and make :Mwahi: a picture of RGM

Or if we insist on current content, we could use modular plating instead

[tame garden]

:mwahi:

[sand egret]

:mwahi:

[blazing dune]

I'm open to :mwahi: emote suggestions

[exotic spoke]

Let me see what I can come up with

Oh I got it

Lincoln’s PFP - cause he’s mwahi’s cat

[sand egret]

boop

[strong forum]

:mwahi:

[tame garden]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

I see that enough in Gallywix.

[tame garden]

It's the best

[warm plinth]

I don’t agree

[tame garden]

Ok boomer

[exotic spoke]

Obviously that (cleaned up)

[sick sentinel]

Alright warrior family which looks very similar to my gwix family. Embrace me.

[exotic spoke]

Embraced

[chilly brook]

What is gwix

[strong forum]

grandpa cum

its a gold/boosting related horde community

[west galleon]

[distant crystal]

👀

[exotic spoke]

It’s both horde and alliance boosting service

Make that money

[distant crystal]

Was that like a very unfortunate autocorrect

@strong forum

[strong forum]

No

That was indeed

Intentional

[distant crystal]

[strong forum]

Cuz wixe is German for cum

So I made a clever jöke

[distant crystal]

Ahh

[lunar jackal]

guys should i equip 40 + socket (belt) or 445 no socket?

440*

[exotic spoke]

It’s close. Would probably depend on secondaries for me (assuming you’re looking for defensive purposes)

[lunar jackal]

its super close cause i got haste versa on socketed and haste mastery on 445

[exotic spoke]

which gives more haste? That’s what I’d personally go for as it’s only 5 Ilvls for a belt

[lunar jackal]

technically the sockete item give more haste

the non socketed gives like 4 more points of haste without taking into account that gem

[exotic spoke]

I’d go socket (personally)

[analog zinc]

hi

[exotic spoke]

Hi

[sick sentinel]

hi prot chat

I found a thing

@warm plinth @lusty grotto remember this

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel YOURE ALIVE?!

Also there was another one that had me there too 😄

[undone sun]

👀 it's kaege

[sick sentinel]

hi

yes

I stopped doing mplus because drama

and I just raidlog now

[undone sun]

nice

one step closer

[sick sentinel]

I also play other games

with the friends that I met through wow

also probably getting a full time job soon

[undone sun]

pog

[exotic spoke]

grats man

and sorry about the drama

I did a 22 last week

[undone sun]

wow drama is great until you're directly involved with it

[lusty grotto]

lol @sick sentinel

thanks @undone sun btw

for the link to druid classic

[undone sun]

np

[sick sentinel]

Also beguiling is trash

It's good only once every 6 weeks

[true plover]

How much would you guys say our dmg is ahead of brew tanks in m+ is it by a decent margin?

[sick sentinel]

And all my dps vanish all but those 2 weeks

So we're permanently rusty

[analog swift]

Burst wise? Crushes brewmaster. Overall? About 2K more

2500~brewmaster like 1900 prot warrior (or something)

[terse dragon]

The brew physical buff also causes them to bring more group damage

Which I think outweighs the damage difference a prot warrior would bring

[west galleon]

i mean depends on the group but potentially yeah

rogues and warriors are the only ones with lots of phys dmg tbhj

[sick quarry]

hunters, wws too right?

[west galleon]

oh yeah i forgot those exist

[sick quarry]

and i would say resto druids benefit from it a decent amount too

not massively but its a +

[onyx vessel]

Doesnt there dmg scale off int in cat form cuz bliz logic so they wouldnt benefit from ap boost from prot war but monk id guess so

[sharp sable]

returning to game. never really tanked on warrior or prot but i wanna gear up and focus on tanking for 8.3
should i play pally or warrior? GO

havent tanked on either in like 5 years, would be boosting one or the other

[warm plinth]

I play and enjoy both. Make a trial of each and fuck around for a bit

[sharp sable]

i just wanna pick one and run with it

[undone sun]

then pick one and run it

[warm plinth]

^

[sharp sable]

😢

[sweet summit]

Both are fine

[warm plinth]

Fun is subjective. For all we know you’d like both as well, in which case there’s no wrong choice

[undone sun]

wont know what you like till you try it

each tank handles quite a bit differently from the next

[exotic spoke]

Sup qtpie

s

Rikis hunt for 2500 update.. Fucked the shrine 20. Almost two chested Shrine 19. Only need to get a KR 19 and we good

[ionic fern]

So close

[sick sentinel]

So will brew and prot warr still be best tanks to push high keys in 8.3?

[undone sun]

it's still ptr ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

I am starting to play on US servers soon and still dont know what class to boost

Y'know there isn't much time left on PTR, right Thyme?

[west galleon]

a month is a good amount of time

could be more even

[ionic fern]

Never underestimate the last minute changes.

[undone sun]

indeed

i've seen some big changes from the ptr to live build

happened in legion

[sick sentinel]

A month

Imagine thinking there's still a month of actual working days between now and then

LUL

[undone sun]

they don't need a month

[sick sentinel]

My response isn't toward you pumpkin

You didn't mention a month

[west galleon]

it is a month from now until release you doink

again or more

[remote dawn]

morning, have anyone testing this?

Anodized Deflectors

Anodized Deflectors
Item Level 415+
Binds when picked up
Wrist Plate
370 Armor
+245 [Strength or Intellect]
+430 Stamina
Durability 55 / 55
Use: Gain 269 Parry and 191 Avoidance for 6 sec, after which you emit a shockwave in front of you that deals 3681 Physical damage. (30 Sec Cooldown)

yesterday i have it droppt on 440 🙂

[brittle owl]

if it's your highest ilvl, go for it

if not, don't

sim it for dpa

dps*

it's prob worth some ilvl in terms of damage

[remote dawn]

mmh i have 450 crit versi wrist and this is 440

[brittle owl]

the on use has limited defensive value. That being said, wrists are low budget anyway, so you don't lose much by dropping 10 ilvls there

oh wait

it doesn't have secondaries

[remote dawn]

yea this is the prob.

[brittle owl]

yeah, i'd sim for damage and use it when i want to push damage

otherwise the 450 is autopick

[remote dawn]

thx man 🙂

[sick sentinel]

did the prot-war corrupted weapon hit the ptr and been played around with yet?

[distant crystal]

i survived 18 rixxa

didn't even have null barrier!

[brittle owl]

null doesn't make it esier than just playing the encounter properly 🤷

unless you're talking about the major

[distant crystal]

just meant minor

just gettin slapped by rixxa

[ionic fern]

Well..SR every other one and have a DPS soak the other one while healer dispells.
I think when we did the 21 i diddn't have the debuff once.

We do run 2 rogues tho.

[brittle owl]

yeah, null minor doesn't make her slap less 🤷

[distant crystal]

yeah it was rogue rogue dh rdruid me

helped

[brittle owl]

managing the debuff is the real challenge/thing that makes it easier

[distant crystal]

i set my hearthstone to xibalba

but the rdruid told me not to swap :p

[ionic fern]

I'm a dworf as well so it was
SR->Dispell
Dworf->Dispell
SR->Dispell
Dispell->Cloak
SR->Dispell
Dispell->Cloak
SR->Dispell
Dworf->Dispell

Good times.

[distant crystal]

i'm dorf but i kinda forgot about using stoneform until the very end

lol

and then SR was up for the last one

[brittle owl]

you prob had like what

4-5 debuff casts?

[distant crystal]

2:21 fight length

sounds about right

[ionic fern]

Jep, debuff is np on that fight if handled properly.
It's the 230k+ shots she does and if the healer doesn't get you up enough between them or you mess up CD's you're fucked.

[distant crystal]

not as bad as i'd thought tbh

i did click edict over to sea witch

[sullen valve]

Mwahi is a silly prot warrior who supports wowA. Use it :)

[brittle owl]

mwahi has been typing for a few hours now

wonder if he's ok

[ionic fern]

When have i ever been OK?

😂

[brittle owl]

🇫

[strong forum]

🇱

[brittle owl]

what even

[exotic spoke]

Morning

[ionic fern]

Good afternoon Riki.

[exotic spoke]

Sigh. It’s 8 am

[ionic fern]

I think you ment 15pm

👀

[exotic spoke]

You silly EU people

Still ❤️ you though

[ionic fern]

[alpine stag]

Hey all, got my prot warr to 120 finally (after struggling to push 20+ on my bdk), i have 3 trinkets; Rezans eye, Inkpod and Merkethas Fang at 430, which 2 do i use? Also have Mchimbas at 440.

for M+ that is

[exotic spoke]

Rezans and I’d use inkpod personally

But I’d replace inkpod when possible with urchin, gore, ancient knot, etc

[alpine stag]

alright great. So Urchin>Edict i assume?

[sick sentinel]

Good morning Master Riki

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. Edicts is good. And for pushing I’d use both if I had them at a high Ilvl

[alpine stag]

Also , past my first Deafining Crash, do i prioritize Bastion and Iron fortress over getting a 2nd and 3rd?

[ionic fern]

Yes

You only want one DC . Preferably 3 BoM.

[exotic spoke]

1 DC, 3 bastion and pick two is the best option.

Ideally; the pick two is two MeticulousSchemeing

[alpine stag]

Thank you!

[exotic spoke]

You’re welcome

[tame garden]

Thank you @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

No @tame garden thank you

[sick sentinel]

Thank you @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

No @sick sentinel thank you

[sick sentinel]

Thank you @tame garden

[tame garden]

No @sick sentinel thank you

[ionic fern]

[tame garden]

Thank you @ionic fern

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[ionic fern]

I'm unsure what's going on but you guys are polite so it's gucci.

😂

[exotic spoke]

I wasn’t sure either but it seemed like the appropriate thing to do

[smoky shoal]

Hello @exotic spoke

[tame garden]

Tis the season 🙂

[smoky shoal]

No peepowave emote, smh

[exotic spoke]

Hello @smoky shoal

[smoky shoal]

Hello @tame garden :peepo-1:

[strong forum]

I can change stuff being polite REAL quick

Just say the word

[tame garden]

Thank you @strong forum

[exotic spoke]

Hi Nome

Thank you @strong forum

[strong forum]

Don't tempt me, Frodo.

[exotic spoke]

Sad bear

[sick sentinel]

Why the heck can I not use any of my emotes here

:thiccbear:

:peeposadder:

[exotic spoke]

It’s turned off and has been

[sick sentinel]

:jdotbpeepeehands:

[sweet summit]

Tyranny

[exotic spoke]

For as long as I can remember

[sick sentinel]

That's some lint licker shit

[strong forum]

Rude

But true

[sick sentinel]

Why is there not a tc emote

This discord sucks

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

wtf

[exotic spoke]

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

[ionic fern]

How on earth did you only now discover that there are no custom emojis?

[sick sentinel]

Because i not woyer

[tame garden]

#bantheban

[sick sentinel]

i r burr

[ionic fern]

#off-topic should have them.

[tame garden]

Offtopic is infested with arms players 😨

[sick sentinel]

Because they're not playing the game rn

because arms sucks

[exotic spoke]

You renounced your bear and we’re accepted as woyer

[sick sentinel]

truff

I did clapperbanshee key earlier

it made me happy

[tame garden]

Prot feels so good this week

I wont lie

[sick sentinel]

You feel so good this week

[tame garden]

Thank you @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

VDH is dumb this week against Necrotic. With the vop/glutt build

I get up to 40 stacks and don't have to kite

it's dumb

Transferring my woyer horde on the 15th though

When we get paid next

[tame garden]

Trying to decide if I wanna raid as fury next tier to gear up prot m+ or just continue on my druid

[strong forum]

Hey I take offense to that speg

I want to play arms

And am arms at heart

But im just too good at tank 😏

[oblique garnet]

[exotic spoke]

Thank you @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

For what

🗞️

[strong forum]

[exotic spoke]

For everything you do Late

[warm plinth]

Go away @sick sentinel

[onyx vessel]

Ghash laying the heat

👀

[exotic spoke]

Thank you @warm plinth

[tame garden]

Dont bully ban

Hes becoming a woyer next tier

[exotic spoke]

I can’t even react sad face

[shut summit]

[lusty grotto]

who?

[exotic spoke]

Thank you @shut summit

Banshee nim

[wooden radish]

@sick sentinel kekw

[vague badge]

[lucid dew]

how is prot looking for next patch

seems like maybe top mythic + but middle of the pack raid?

[tame garden]

🔮 👀

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

Likely to be #1 m+ and X/6 for raid

That's as accurate as I could possibly phrase it

[quiet bobcat]

What are the go to raid single target essences right now for Prot?

[distant crystal]

cruci null cns

err

cruci null vop 😮

[exotic spoke]

Second one Waat listed for dps

And we look like we’ll be fine in raid ImO - but it’s early and changes are still happening

[wooden radish]

oh lord @ionic fern. please no banning of the flerken. the flerken is sorry for all the trolling 😦

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern BAN ME 🥵

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern can you unban Abrodus? I want to see the shit show in action.

[ionic fern]

I will have to pass on that suggestion.

😂

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern Should I bully my guild into letting me play prot warrior

or a real tank like blood dk :qqMonk:

[ionic fern]

The answer to that question : yes.

[sullen valve]

ily

[warm plinth]

Can we unban 🥑 😏

[ionic fern]

🇳 🇴

[sullen valve]

Can we ban Mwahi?

[warm plinth]

😂

[sullen valve]

All he does is complain that wowA is a bad tool

[warm plinth]

What a douche

[sullen valve]

@ vel give me TC instead of mwahi he doesn't agree with the tools since smoll brain

[warm plinth]

We’re gonna use modular plating for Mwahi’s emoji Abelito

Because he’s useless, just like modular plating

[tame garden]

Abe

[ionic fern]

Jokes on you, i can actually pick my own emote now.

[warm plinth]

Fucking hell

[ionic fern]

👀

[sullen valve]

Jokes on you Speg

I'm loved here unlike in peaks and dream groove

[distant crystal]

i kinda wonder

[warm plinth]

Gotta be careful, Mwahi can b& is now

[distant crystal]

is portal key decent for prot

[warm plinth]

Us*

[distant crystal]

seems like it's probably better for prot than any other spec

[ionic fern]

I have no idea which word in that sentence had to be "us".

😂

[warm plinth]

Is

[sullen valve]

ban us now

🤕

[warm plinth]

Isn’t portal key an int trinket? Or is it flexible

[tame garden]

:gigasquad:

[sullen valve]

:gigasquad:

[distant crystal]

doh

i meant vision of demise

[warm plinth]

Oh. It’s alright. Just not better than other shit

[oblique garnet]

No

[sullen valve]

Late

Have you noticed anything else on wowA or not even used it since 😦

[oblique garnet]

Hm?

[sullen valve]

Like bugs or anything

[oblique garnet]

Uhm

[warm plinth]

I’d use it in M+ and just use it when a mob is sub10% for the max haste buff. Just seems like more work than it’s worth though tbh.

[distant crystal]

i'd bind it into avatar and forget it exists :p

maybe consider targetting a low hp mob when i press avatar

[oblique garnet]

@sullen valve ngl i havent really used it since xd

[sullen valve]

xD

All good

[oblique garnet]

it always complains that i never use shield wall enough when im saving it for specific mechanics <.<

[sullen valve]

Revolution takes more than a day

[strong forum]

Same here late

[sullen valve]

Sounds like you have time inbetween the times you need it

[ionic fern]

Just use statistics/timeline/CD usage.

SMh

[strong forum]

Or tells me I overlap SB and Last stand too much

[sullen valve]

Just use the events tab

[distant crystal]

just use your gut instincts

if it feels good do it

[sullen valve]

What is super useful is the death recap tab tbh

[strong forum]

What if you don't die :think:

😏

[sullen valve]

Clearly you were perfect player then

[strong forum]

Still running ironman

Clearly

[oblique garnet]

Does it work properly for azshara ?

Because it doesnt seem like it xd

[sullen valve]

Death tab?

Send log

[oblique garnet]

no not death tab

just in general it doesnt take into account intermission

it complains about downtime

[sullen valve]

downtime is always a weird one

[oblique garnet]

yeah it also takes into account the casts during intermission and says they are a major issue when i dont press demoshout or tc during it xd

[sullen valve]

imagine not hitting demoshout and tc when htere are no enemies to hit

smh

TCPM is serious

[strong forum]

I often forget to press TC during downtimes

But that's a minimal minmax

For giga minor gain

[tame garden]

@exotic spoke

[limpid pawn]

I’m curious

How much gold do you guys have

[sand egret]

5k

[tame garden]

My war has 5k

[west galleon]

i have like 40k

😔

[distant crystal]

i got like 300K

but it's almost time to buy game time

[strong forum]

Like 400k, but that's all gold from tokens

[brittle owl]

oof i can't call nome a p2w f word because of disc bot

:(

[strong forum]

P2W :hahaaa: good one

All the gear I can buy

[muted sapphire]

can emissary weapons caches drop shields?

[west galleon]

ya

[royal cairn]

yep!

[muted sapphire]

thanks

only slot that hasn't dropped from anything yet

just gotta hope its not another 1h

[still flame]

Does anyone know what the proc rate is on the Vision of Perfection essence for Prot Warriors?

[warm plinth]

.85 ppm I believe @still flame It’ll be .92 or something like that in 8.3

[still flame]

so is that almost 1 proc per minute? am i reading that right?

[limpid pawn]

Damn guys why you poor though

[tame garden]

Yes 0.85 now and 0.95 in 8.3. Just under 1 proc per minute

[warm plinth]

Yes poochootrain, that’s correct

I have like 30k brolikk

Brollikk. Broollliiikk. Brroolliikk

[still flame]

@tame garden @warm plinth would you guys recommend using it as the Major Power then over Rank 3 Crucible of Flame? Also when Vision if the Major Power, its passive I dont need to press a key to engage it right

[tame garden]

Yes fully passive

[warm plinth]

Yes (in M+) and yes

[still flame]

okey doke, then il swap it in 🙂

which one is better?

Ive got Bastion of Might on my other 2 aerite pieces so no worries there

[distant crystal]

what are the alternatives

to filthy and bloodsport

[still flame]

@distant crystal um i think i already picked them, are they not permanent?

[distant crystal]

no lol

[tame garden]

You can reforge them

[distant crystal]

go to the transmog/coin/azerite vendor building

[tame garden]

Are you ally or horde

[distant crystal]

and you can reforge for 5g

[still flame]

oh. didnt know that

how can i check alternatives? just at reforging?

horde

[distant crystal]

shift click

[still flame]

ok and it shows the 5 i picked

[tame garden]

Does it not show the alternatives greyed out

[mental scarab]

Hold shift and right click

[still flame]

oh I see

[mental scarab]

I think or left

[tame garden]

Calm down discord

[still flame]

1. Alternative to Filthy is Callous reprisal

[mental scarab]

Take it

We have healers to heal 🤩

[still flame]

Alternative to Filthy is Bastion of Might

[tame garden]

[cobalt ore]

Do bastion

Take yourself 3 bastions

[still flame]

and then do the one with deafening crash and bastion? thatll be my 3rd point in bastion

[tame garden]

Bastion is bis

[cobalt ore]

You want 1 deafening. 3 bastions

[still flame]

ok cool

thanks so so much for the help 🙂

and patience

oh, ok

[cobalt ore]

Np

[distant crystal]

[mental scarab]

In m+

[still flame]

ok cool

[mental scarab]

Btw do DC give more dmg then CR in aoe after the first DC 👀 i forget that one

[distant crystal]

ya

[chilly brook]

I mean CR is good because of the DR not the extra damage

[distant crystal]

"good"

[exotic spoke]

@tame garden I see you pinged me. What’s up?

[tame garden]

New development

[exotic spoke]

Oh?

What new development

[tame garden]

I may be able to steal a tank spot in my guild next tier

[exotic spoke]

Oh shit son

Prot prot prot

[tame garden]

So now the choice has even more weight behind it

Will prot be viable in 8.3 🙂

I hear theres a lot of magic damage

[exotic spoke]

Yes silly

[tame garden]

🙂

[exotic spoke]

Swear to god I will shank you

[tame garden]

🐻

[distant crystal]

always looks like pepe calling the cops to me

the axe looks like a phone

always looks like pepe calling the cops to me

always looks like pepe calling the cops to me

[tame garden]

Yes I'm calling the cops on riki

this panda is threatening me

[exotic spoke]

It’s a promise

[tame garden]

So I may not have to worry about fury v boomy

Purely prot v bear

[exotic spoke]

Prot imo

But maybe I’m biased

[tame garden]

You're definitely biased

But that doesnt make you wrong

[exotic spoke]

^^

I have a Druid who has been at max level

[tame garden]

It's a tough call. Lots of utility I would miss

[exotic spoke]

We have utility in different ways to

An added “interrupt”
Safeguard
Shout
Fear (for aoe interrupt)

[tame garden]

Vs psn/curse dispel
Typhoon
Vortex
Stampeding roar
Soothe
Offheals
Stealth
We also have an aoe interrupt

[distant crystal]

spell reflect

block

gg

[exotic spoke]

We have offheals - victory rush / health pots

[sand egret]

counter-opinion:

[exotic spoke]

We have an aoe stun and aoe jnterrupt

[sand egret]

swipe

[exotic spoke]

And we mitigate like a mother fucker

Booty clap

[sand egret]

with measly fur-less booties

[tame garden]

Offheals as in healing other people riki

I've saved my healer countless times with swiftmend

[exotic spoke]

I have an external I can give people every 15 seconds

Shout is also huge too. I’ve saved people with that

[tame garden]

Fair

[sand egret]

Speg you know in your heart of hearts the true answer

[exotic spoke]

WOYER

WOYER

WOYER

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

[sand egret]

you can moonlight with Riki all ya want, but we know who you come home to

[tame garden]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

I’m glad to see I made it in time for the bear comparison. Shapeshifting cowards. Face me in your true form

[sand egret]

jokes on you, my true form is an owl come up here and get me

[tame garden]

I'm trying to decide on a main for 8.3 hawgz

[sick sentinel]

Heroic leap

[tame garden]

I come in peace

[sand egret]

gotta land

[sick sentinel]

VDH

ez

[tame garden]

[sick sentinel]

It is their MOMENT

[mental scarab]

No

👀

[sand egret]

we're going to be rockin those sweet 2handers Speg, just sayin

[tame garden]

My m+ group might have 2 havoc dh

Third Dh seems extreme

[sick sentinel]

make it 3 dh

[mental scarab]

Why not 4

🙃🙃

[sand egret]

most Meta group

[exotic spoke]

Who would tank then Speg?

[sick sentinel]

God just run 5 VDH

[sand egret]

maximize the amount of Metas for the most Meta group

[tame garden]

Blade you always make too much sense

[sand egret]

that's what i'm here for

[sick sentinel]

I make sense too

[tame garden]

Your input is appreciated

But my sights are set on bear or prot

[exotic spoke]

I think a lot of it will come down to looking at new essences and what will fit your group best.

[sand egret]

Strange, I don't recall an essence that increases fuzziness

[exotic spoke]

I think the new essences are situationally very strong (depending on content and comp) and how everything slots together will be a major deciding factor

One that’s honestly really hard to predict.

Another consideration is battle about versus scroll

[sand egret]

BShout is probably the most objective difference

[ember arrow]

hi

wow good?

[sand egret]

13

[ivory barn]

Anyone know how long it would take to make a good WA set for prot? I like khakans, but something with the WA crashes my CPU

[sand egret]

largely depends on what you want to do/your competence in WA-fu

[strong forum]

at first it took me multiple hours to setup my WA

now its like 20min

[west kayak]

I use an old version of Khakhans and it still works great. I think you can find it Wago still.

[sick sentinel]

Weak aura

Weak player

[exotic spoke]

I have a great WA set up. The best WA set up. It’s amazing

It tracks Battleshout on all my party members and kicks.

That’s it

[sick sentinel]

Only WA I use is none

[exotic spoke]

The kick tracking one for a group is really good. I recommend that to help call out / plan kicks and reflects

The battle shout one was just so my DH would stop bitching for shout when he died

(He didn’t like my answer of stop dying)

[sick sentinel]

If he doesn’t like that answer call him a beta and tell him to shout himself

I’m lying I use 2 WA on azshara

One for decree

One for cursed heart

[tame garden]

Kick tracker was a game changer

Bis wa

[sick sentinel]

Solution: make healer do all the work

[sand egret]

can confirm. even i use a kick tracker

[tame garden]

Wow see

Even boomersong

[sand egret]

yeah i don't even use boss timers

but kick trackers are the truth

[exotic spoke]

^^^(insert “this TBH” emote here)

[warm plinth]

:thistbh:

[exotic spoke]

Yup how’d that work out for you

[undone sun]

[analog zinc]

SS taken from my veng dh with no mitigation up

ra-den looking to be a prot war fight 😮

[left hatch]

Is it just me or is the new Wrathion trinket just a really crappy version of Rezan's

[warm plinth]

Why do you say crappy?

[left hatch]

The haste proc on it gives considerably less

[warm plinth]

It's 3ppm though; Rezan is 1ppm

[left hatch]

ah that'd do it, couldn't find anythign concrete about its ppm

[warm plinth]

A lot of items on wowhead with procs, you can hover over the effect and see the ppm

[left hatch]

yah was just going off meters in ptr lfr

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[left hatch]

and for some reason the uptime on the guy running both had them about equal

[warm plinth]

Interesting

[strong forum]

rezans is roughly 30% uptime

thats about all i know

[left hatch]

might be procs are overalapping? or just bugged rn

[strong forum]

what do you mean

procs are rng

[left hatch]

right, but for the wrathion trinket to have ~35% uptime across a few fights

[strong forum]

thats rather low

[warm plinth]

Yeah, with 3ppm and 15 sec duration it's possible

[strong forum]

you should have 60+ uptime

[left hatch]

might just be excessively bad rng, because 4 bosses is a small sample size

[strong forum]

check each boss indivdually

also

if bosses have downtime

ofc Uptime is gonna be screwed in relation

[warm plinth]

You're screwed in relation

[strong forum]

say Wrathion for example

where you just afk for like 30 seconds

but with 3 ppm and 15sec duration it should ATLEAST be 60% uptime even if youre getting screwed by RNG

[warm plinth]

Do you fight Wrathion as a dragon or as his lil turban form

[left hatch]

hes a dragon

[strong forum]

Drogon

[warm plinth]

Aw, I wanted to fight lil turban

[strong forum]

Na

Turban man has too much swagger

[left hatch]

baby deathwing

[strong forum]

impossible

[warm plinth]

Who is cuter, baby Yoda or baby Groot

Don't disappoint me

[left hatch]

Yoda is cuter

Groot wings style points for sass

[warm plinth]

How tf is yoda cuter; YOU'RE WRONG

[strong forum]

yoda is factually cuter

[analog zinc]

wrathion outside of his dragon form has a 100 yard aura that instantly mind controls any female characters

[strong forum]

^

[left hatch]

why only female characters bruh

[strong forum]

i wish i was Wrathion

[left hatch]

he can MC me any day

[analog zinc]

ok female & gay characters

[left hatch]

(:

[strong forum]

dont have to be gay for that

😏

[left hatch]

any non-asexual characters and npcs

[west galleon]

true

[grand knot]

does shield block duration overlap like most buffs? i.e if I have 1 second left of shield block and recast it gets added to my next shield block duration

[warm plinth]

Yes

You can have up to 3x the duration stacked up (which isn't possible for us anyway but that's the actual cap on it)

[grand knot]

oh so even my initial shield block adds up?

so ideally I should just press shield block as much as possible

[warm plinth]

Yeah like...you could do Shield Block>Shield Block and have 12 seconds of SB up or w/e

[strong forum]

lemme unzip

my copy pasta

[warm plinth]

But you typically don't want to spam it like that because if you're not being hit toward the end of a SB, you want to wait to refresh it

[strong forum]

you can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again
So it's SB-SB-SB-LS-SB-SB
(For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg)

You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD
priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg
Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.
Don't empty your Rage bar before needing to use SB
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.

If you can't keep up SB or LS fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime

[grand knot]

holy fuck i love theorycrafting lol

[analog zinc]

how do you see effective uptime?

[warm plinth]

You don't really. You can look at % of blocked hits on logs though

[grand knot]

in details! you can change your bars to miscellaneous -> buff uptime

[warm plinth]

Yeah but that's overall uptime, not effective uptime

[analog zinc]

ye i do that ghash was just wondering if there's a better way to see it

[grand knot]

ah true

[warm plinth]

I think wowA does something like "bad" SB casts. Unfortunately I don't think it separates offensive and defensive SB casts

[strong forum]

eh

only in logs you can check effectivity

in dmg taken

[warm plinth]

You're a dmg taken

[strong forum]

ouch

[analog zinc]

rek^

[strong forum]

Ghash120ETD hits Nomeratur with "no u" for 1 damage.

[analog zinc]

did you critical block it

[warm plinth]

No, I'm just the Magikarp of the insult world

[strong forum]

Soon he will evolve into Gyarados and starts ripping into everybody

tfw you get a tittyforge and its just...

soon itll be gone though... thank god

[analog zinc]

why does your addon tell you the item is epic quality

what is the point of that

[strong forum]

thats just elvui

[analog zinc]

why

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

i never even noticed it

[analog zinc]

it looks so pointless

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

I use it because I can't tell the difference between rare and epic

[strong forum]

huh

there you go, a very reasonable explanation

[queen saffron]

heyo
sorry if this has been asked before (probably), how's prot looking for season 4 plus?

[strong forum]

#1 for m+

[warm plinth]

Disgustingly good

As usual

[strong forum]

for raid X/6

[queen saffron]

that's nice, our tank continues to take random breaks

and we lost the easy week so im pretty salty 😄

think im going to reroll

ty!

[wise stirrup]

do you know how many stacks of arcane debuff a tank is suppose to get on azshara mm in p2/p3 ?

(in average)

[strong forum]

i think tanks go to 70-100

[wise stirrup]

100 its a lot lol

[west galleon]

prot warriors aren't as good at it so u might need less

[wise stirrup]

if i remember well, its 7% increase damage from arcane per stack, 100 stacks its suicide

[oblique garnet]

It does do that much damage to monks because they dodge jolts so they can go up to 100 yes but that also need to have 0 stacks

on the boss

In general you switch before 60

[wise stirrup]

ok thx

[gaunt dawn]

highest we went was ~50

most swaps were around 38/40

[wise stirrup]

yeah seems good

our dk tank go up to 75

and died xD

[oblique garnet]

Antthing above 60 is basically a gamble tbh even with monk

And if there are stacks on the boss you die 1shot

[sick sentinel]

Swaps for us are around 38-40

[analog zinc]

we swap at 35/45 usually

i take boss first & take 35

then we just swap whenever stacks fall off

[gaunt dawn]

generally its when stacks drop for us

apart from third myrm

i wait a bit longer there to let spear go

[exotic nebula]

is chain of suffering any good? While i still have time to random roll it to benefit someone else. I have edicts and use pocket sizeed CD (410ilvl)

[sick sentinel]

Does it increase damage?

[exotic nebula]

negative, transfer 50% of damage to another player up to 363k, 2min cd

[warm plinth]

It's not great. No real use for it.

[exotic nebula]

kk ty

[onyx vessel]

[west galleon]

gz

[slim pier]

wait what

[tame garden]

[flat raven]

Am I aiming for 40% haste?

[undone sun]

no

[flat raven]

How much we lookin for?

Says that 40% is basically where it DRs

[undone sun]

who says that

[flat raven]

Guides online

[undone sun]

and there's no % you should aim for

which?

i know IV and WH dont

[flat raven]

BNet forums

[undone sun]

those aren't guides

[flat raven]

Ok. We gonna be picky about word choice, here?

lol

[undone sun]

yes

[flat raven]

A RESOURCE online said 40%

[undone sun]

it's good to be accurate

they're wrong, there's no % to aim for

[inland silo]

any resource thats not pinned in some channel in this discord shouldnt be taken seriously

[flat raven]

That's why I asked to check validity.

Wasn't lookin to be barraged. Just needed an answer as a newer warrior tank.

[sick sentinel]

Quick question. If I block a melee attack do I still get a stack of necrotic?

[flat raven]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

Sweet ty

[quiet crane]

@quiet ice no he literally told you, you refuse to listen

Only ever two resources to obtain information from icy veins and wowhead three sorry here to in the pins and guides/faq

[quiet ice]

<_< might want to tag the right person

[flat raven]

I read it

[quiet crane]

Sorry bub meant him ^

[quiet ice]

I was so confused

[flat raven]

Didnt refuse to listen, for the record. I asked the question, got questioned back about my source. I answered, we got knit-picky... It's fine. I got the answer I was looking for.

[quiet crane]

Yeah and your response was “gunna be nit picky about word choice” tell me something if you went to a dentist and said you had pain in your jaw but never explained where think they’re likely to get the right spot?

He answered rationally to everything you asked, and you pressed it

[flat raven]

As a physician myself, yes, I hope that he'd get to the right place on his own.

That's our job

[quiet crane]

Regardless im not going into this argument.

[stark scroll]

🍿

[flat raven]

Aye. And I wasn't trying to have an argument either. I just needed a simple answer to a simple question. Was 40% the magic number... Lol. The answer: No, it is not.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I think you were fine, Jay is being a bit toxic.

[daring marlin]

idk this Bubbelz guy likes to be spicy with Thyme.

Doesn't seem to like bantz. 🙂

[sharp sable]

do sites only rank azerite traits now and not the actual pieces of armor?

[ionic fern]

In general yes.

[sharp sable]

It was a lot easier when sites just ranked every Azeroth piece in order

Azerite

[ionic fern]

If you have any specific questions you can ask away but there are some general azerite pieces that stand out from the rest..for m+ for example:
Ashvane's cuirass - chest
Kraken Shell - shoulders
And then a dc/bom helm like Abyssal malevolance for example so you end with 3xBom/2xMs/1xDC

[dark lark]

Trying to do AD20s and I find myself getting wrecked by Rezan's serrated teeth. Just brainstorming here, do I coodinate with my healer to rotate CDs and externals? EG: Ironbark, Shield Wall, Iron Bark, Combo of Rally and Darkness, Iron Bark?

[ionic fern]

Yes.:)

Remember that the bleed also increases physical damage taken by 50% so keep SB up during it's duration.

Other than that the healer should be aware of the damage it causes and can/should st heal you for the duration

[dark lark]

Yeah always have my shield block/last stand running

[ionic fern]

But that's about all you can do..rotate defensives,keep sb up, get st healed during the duration.

Bleeds in general ignore armor and are just a pain as almost any tank.

[dark lark]

Yeah, prior to 18s, I used to be able to spam ignore pain and my healer would keep me up through it just fine

But that 20 tyrannical is no joke

[unkempt seal]

is gaining BoM and OP on a chest worth dropping 15 ilvls?

id be losing bloodspot and zerite veins

[brittle owl]

what other outer ring traits do you have on the higher piece

also, most probably not worth dropping ilvl

(bloodsport and azerite veins are poop)

[unkempt seal]

i have DC + blood sport + azerite veins on the 435 chest and the 420 chest has DC + BoM + OP

[sweet summit]

what generic trait can you take instead of bloodsport?

[bright silo]

Do you only get the bonus from Blood Sport when you use Ignore Pain proper? Or do you get it with your free IP from Bastion of Might? If it's the latter I think 1 Bloodsport might be tolerable in the Vision of Protection + triple Bastion of Might build.

[strong forum]

Running bloodsport is always tolerable

It's just not ideal

[bright silo]

Of course but I don't think anyone picking between a 420 & 435 is dealing in the "ideal"

[strong forum]

I would prolly stick just stick to the 420

Cuz veins isn't really useful

[vague badge]

got the rep, time to unlock DiD now :hype:

[vague badge]

now i can finally start to learn tanking 😂

[unkempt seal]

is vulpera going to be tank meta in 8.3 with its reduced dmg taken?

[sick sentinel]

Nah it'll be tank meta in 8.3 because it's cute.

[ionic fern]

That racial's only 1 time per enemy iirc so from the first attack.

[sharp sable]

Just returned to game and working on getting a set together so I can tank m+10s (not beyond) regularly and 15s after 8.3

[mental scarab]

Easier to do a 15
Now then a 10 in next patch with the scaling of keys 🤓

So just push it

And get that score up

🏋🏻‍♀️

[sick sentinel]

Uh

15 next season is the same scaling as an 11.

Not easier or harder because you TOO scale.

so

[warm plinth]

Yeah it’ll be way smoother of a transition this season because there’s no per level scaling change like last season

[stoic pilot]

Im just ready for a new affix

So tired of beguiling

[warm plinth]

After the initial barrier, beguiling is either boring or annoying.

[stoic pilot]

It was cool the first few times in my opinion but it’s just not really fun to play around with how buggy it is

Enchanted falling through floor and aggroing shit. Tides not applying aura if there’s a slight Z axis shift

[warm plinth]

My favorite beguiling hiccup is the enchanted af the start of shrine getting knocked too far and pulling the current

[stoic pilot]

Yeah... lol

Not to mention tides are so damn scary on high fort keys

They slap hard

[warm plinth]

Though tbf the tides thing isn’t a bug really. More of a meh fix to the aura hitting mobs on other floors

[stoic pilot]

Yeah but like

If you tank stuff along a wall 75% of the time the tides is just negated which feels dumb

[warm plinth]

Yeah lol

[rustic tinsel]

Tides melees being magic damage is the real scary part in high keys tbh

[stoic pilot]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

Though that does make some pulls a little more universally doable without a lot of trouble

Like the double defilers in UR is fucked with some comps

[rustic tinsel]

Don’t worry, next week is teeming so that pull just becomes even more fucked

[warm plinth]

My group would have to kite or tank the tides with a non-tank to do that pack if the z axis thing didn’t exist because we have no spammable CC

[stoic pilot]

Yeah.. that pack is annoying without spammable roots or ring of peace

It just felt like other affixed had a much more direct way to deal with them

Where this affix is like

“Okay snap the mobs here and enchanted bugs out and stares at you”

[warm plinth]

Yeah. I’m looking forward to not having those certain packs that are just nonsense

[rustic tinsel]

Teeming is generally pretty shit

[warm plinth]

Like the bottom of volkaal stairs when there’s a tides there

Is so fuckin dumb

Feels good as a DH getting insta targeted by 2 venom blasts and deleted

[stoic pilot]

I’m excited by the idea of stuff not making pulls randomly impossible depending on the week

[rustic tinsel]

The DPS in my group dont mind teeming but I’m generally dreading fort teeming

[stoic pilot]

But actually just changing what you can skip

[warm plinth]

I don’t mind teeming most of the time. It definitely makes keys slower but doesn’t really add anything to my responsibilities

[rustic tinsel]

My issues with beguiling is some weeks certain dungeons (AD this week for example) are literally impossible to run if the emissary patterns are gonna cuck you

[warm plinth]

Yeah AD is pretty awful on a lot of weeks lol

Especially tides

[rustic tinsel]

Void before Vol’Kaal kek

[stoic pilot]

Im of the opinion that I like affixes that are static and the same each week but idk I get how that could be boring

[rustic tinsel]

That pull is chain wipe bait

[warm plinth]

We just water skip in and death run out for that one. Haven’t pulled it the entire season lol

[stoic pilot]

I mean thank god MDT is a thing at this point otherwise I’d never remember where emissaries are

[rustic tinsel]

I’m still under the impression that voids never gave enough count for me to think void week could still be a reasonable push week

[warm plinth]

Depends on the dungeon; some dungeons you don't even kill very many of them

Like FH I think you only kill 2 on void week or something like that

[rustic tinsel]

That’s fair

[warm plinth]

Temple is one of the fuckin worst on void week

[rustic tinsel]

Essentially 170% count in void weeks

[warm plinth]

Mostly because you can hardly skip anything

Yeah

[stoic pilot]

I’m sad I missed bursting volcanic because I had to practice fury that week and now I’m stuck with back to back meh weeks for m+ lmao

[warm plinth]

Or you have to do awkward skips like entrance to first void pack (which is a fuckin brutal pack)

[stoic pilot]

Speaking of idiotic emissary placements

Whoever put the enchanted in the first pack of temple

Needs to get fired

[warm plinth]

I missed burst/volc too; my tank was away for work the first part of the week and I was away for work the second half. We got 3 dungeons all week 😦

[stoic pilot]

My guild ended up dying and my friends guild desperately needed a dps warrior and I never even progged azshara let alone play fury so I had to lowkey practice the entire week so I didn’t sandbag on prog lmao

[rustic tinsel]

Isn’t the week after next bursting skittish tyran

[warm plinth]

lul

Yeah

[stoic pilot]

I think so skyler

[rustic tinsel]

Imagine being a tank with threat issues

Kek

Brewmaster on skittish weeks is legitimately stressful

[warm plinth]

The worst week for me is the bolst/skittish/fort week

[stoic pilot]

I still get a little scared when I play with my group

With threat on some sketchy pulls

Since we have a ret pala

[warm plinth]

Because my tank is a VDH and he has to run gluttony/vop build on higher keys on a week that I already peel kind of easily on

[rustic tinsel]

Lmao the havoc in my group tried that build

It’s very low dps output

[warm plinth]

Yeah, really low

[rustic tinsel]

Also rip you with a ret pally on skittish

That’s going to require some self control

[stoic pilot]

Yeah it’s seriously scuffed on the odd pull I can’t avatar on pull

[mental scarab]

Rogues and hunters

😴😴😴

And your down to one affix

[warm plinth]

Doing the first pull of FH on fort week is like...awful

[stoic pilot]

Are you alliance

[warm plinth]

We have a rogue and a hunter in our group; I still peel from my tank on skittish weeks

No, horde

[stoic pilot]

I found being dwarf for that pull makes it super manageable

[mental scarab]

👀

What

The poisen?

[warm plinth]

Well, on that skittish week

[rustic tinsel]

The tank is gluttony VDH

[stoic pilot]

Oh dps peeling off. Yeah I can see that

[rustic tinsel]

Oh