protection

[exotic spoke]

sim 37K without benthic on 3 minutes

[fringe marten]

During legion? was it? Warriors had a talent or ability on our relic that made mobs, even raid bosses run 150 or 200% move speed toward us..when we taunted. Anyone remember the name of that ability or what it was tied to?

it was for like a couple seconds after a certain ability, taunt would cause mobs to move at 150 or 200% movement

[undone sun]

berserker rage

[fringe marten]

was it from the relic weapon? or a talent?

we're having a debate and no one believes me it existed

[undone sun]

talent, same row as bounding stride

[real thunder]

What is your opinion in terms of offensive stats for raiding EP? I thought it was Haste/Crit but im seeing a lot of warrs run Haste/Vers. Any info would be appreciated.

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Yka22doPiGQGjdhPDmvvz justs wrists are better for me now?

[warm plinth]

@fringe marten Warlord’s Challenge was the name of the talent that granted the provoke effect while Berserker Rage was active in Legion. It also allowed Taunt to be spammable while BR was active and shortened the CD of BR. It was 50% inc movement speed.

[undone sun]

That's it

[reef tendon]

hey i just got back into playing again. the ignore pain weakaura that is available, how do i get the icon to go away so that i only see the text?

i want to overlay that text on a progress bar that i use instead of using the square icon

[fringe marten]

Thank you Ghash, I knew it was a thing I used it in a few encounters I just couldn't remember exactly what it came from.

[reef tendon]

nevermind, figured it out

[limpid pawn]

for logs

when do the top list for each boss update?

i see something I just did like an hour ago

[warm plinth]

Should update as soon as the log is uploaded afaik

Well, once it processes anyway

[limpid pawn]

hm... i don't see it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/yomiel#difficulty=4&boss=2289

the blackwater behemoth - newest one

i don't see that in the top list :/

just my previous one

[distant crystal]

prob some scheduled task that updates the rankings

it'll get there eventually chillax :p

[warm plinth]

@limpid pawn

[ivory barn]

aight now Im pissed.... bonus rolled a Font of power with a socket 😢

[warm plinth]

Why are you pissed?

[ivory barn]

its a 200 dps decrease

from what I have

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xvcEatqvBk7m4YDgwvdbFd

[warm plinth]

Ah. Well, there’s always M+!

[ivory barn]

its usefull there?

[exotic spoke]

Not really

[warm plinth]

Ideally you would want other people using it too so you’re not the only person channeling for 4 seconds, but it’s pretty good

Just have to make sure you use it. There are better options probably for us but it’s not garbage or anything

[ivory barn]

what the hell is this dps boost.... only in Tep Tho? 🤔 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iTg8emEkcSMG2TV3W4JYMv

[warm plinth]

The power of benthic

[ivory barn]

i dont want to change gems for M+/RAid tho 😢 I need a JC bad lol

[warm plinth]

Oh you meant the gems lol. What is it suggesting? I’m on mobile

[ivory barn]

change 3 gems to crit when benthic is equipped. no benthic gem all haste

[warm plinth]

Ah

[distant crystal]

font's good if you got big 2min cooldown dps

preferably that are also using it

so you all font and gigapull every 2min

i recommend fire mage

:D

[ivory barn]

lmao ;'( its not better

[distant crystal]

it'll shit all over cyclotron in keys

[ivory barn]

keep it for keys and switch cyclo and font out for raid?

[distant crystal]

ye

[ivory barn]

sounds good w/ me thx!

[nimble mauve]

Fellas, any tips for staying alive during Rixxa on tyrannical weeks?

[distant crystal]

hearth out after azerokk

get never surrender and null major

maybe some bloodsport pieces too

reflect every other dot cast

have your dps soak the ones between reflect

IP a lot

shieldblock never

[nimble mauve]

Why are these things the way they are

[distant crystal]

rotate externals with wall

healthpot

etc

[nimble mauve]

Got it. I will try that on my next go. I appreciate the advice.

[distant crystal]

last two bosses ML tyrannical smack warrior extra hard

[nimble mauve]

Do you swap back for last boss?

[distant crystal]

on razdunk you can reflect his autos

naw

last two bosses are pure magic

bolster does nothing for ya

[warm plinth]

Still not convinced it’s worth hearthing for NS. Just run null the whole dungeon and stay bolster imo

[distant crystal]

oh high tyr it's worth

you barely lose any time

[nimble mauve]

I did that today and it was nuts

[distant crystal]

your dps can also hearth out with you and pick single target spec/talents

to help pump em down

if you run edict trinket

that's a good time to declare sea witch

[nimble mauve]

I do not have any raid trinkets, unfortunately

My prot is kinda my side project. I raid on a fire mage

Prot basically only has access to M+ gear

[analog zinc]

go do heroi

heroic tank trinkets are still mad good

there are lots of top tanks that use just heroic level trinkets

[nimble mauve]

I might have to give that a go. Urchin/Edicts are the way to go, right?

[analog zinc]

ya

inkpod is sick damage wise

[nimble mauve]

Got it. I have a rezan eye w/ socket and WM block atm

[distant crystal]

yeah a heroic edict + urchin

goes a long way on those two bosses esp

and who knows ya might forge a 455+s one

[nimble mauve]

Great game

[distant crystal]

be sure to post SS here when ya do 🙂

[nimble mauve]

I'm still farming heroic Aszhara once a week on my mage for forged font

[distant crystal]

samesies

[nimble mauve]

It's a tragedy

[distant crystal]

meanwhile my rogue copped a 440+s

if only i played sin like ever

[nimble mauve]

That makes me feel some kind of way, and it isnt good

[distant crystal]

hopefully after corruptionforge

[analog zinc]

i think i have a 450 socket Baleful Branch on my brewmaster

[distant crystal]

they retire forging for good

🤞

[nimble mauve]

It is such a bad feeling

Farming heroic every week for a chance that an item forges.

[chilly brook]

could be worse

[nimble mauve]

Elaborate

[chilly brook]

you could do her every week on heroic and still not have a font period

[nimble mauve]

It's funny you mention that

The only font I ever got that was useful was out of the dungeon event box

Before I even stepped foot in the raid

[distant crystal]

sometimeslucky

[chilly brook]

Yea I still don't have one on my warrior

[nimble mauve]

Feelsbad

[chilly brook]

And I'd love it for arms

[distant crystal]

i got one from the dungeon event last week 😮

w/ sock

[nimble mauve]

Dude we have the same font poggies

[distant crystal]

still waiting for a mage to run keys w/ so i can have an excuse to use it for prot

[nimble mauve]

What keys do you run

[chilly brook]

lemme level my mage and you can help me gear and I got you

[distant crystal]

i don't run too much on warr

tho he's geared for 20s

[nimble mauve]

My mage is like 2.1 or something

[distant crystal]

allianceboi tho

[nimble mauve]

F in chat

How is shadowmeld treating you

[distant crystal]

only druid/rogue/dh have it :p

priest is gnome, mage lfd, warr dorf

one of these days i'll swap my priest n mage

no good excuse for not being nelf tbh

[nimble mauve]

So what you're saying is that the warrior has a really nice time on necro weeks

[distant crystal]

[chilly brook]

if I could be a KT human on horde I would be

[distant crystal]

i abandoned my KT druid

[nimble mauve]

Idk what they do. All my tanks are belf, dps trolls

[distant crystal]

and leveled a nelf 1-120 instead

lul

[chilly brook]

fuck what they do

they're brick shit houses

[nimble mauve]

You just tryna be a thicc boi

[chilly brook]

facts

[distant crystal]

i look kul tiran IRL

no need for one in game

[nimble mauve]

Vulpera warrior, yes or no?

Furrys inc

[chilly brook]

that would make you a furry

and that's gay

[hallow phoenix]

My guild is basically done raiding this patch :(

[chilly brook]

RIP

[nimble mauve]

Damn it be like that

[distant crystal]

we're still strugglebussing for CE

[chilly brook]

I kinda feel like my guild might be heading that way soon @hallow phoenix

[nimble mauve]

My guild 250 pulls Zaquul

[hallow phoenix]

Got stuck on the hardest boss in the game

[distant crystal]

hopefully zaqul tomorrow 🤞

[chilly brook]

we still on court

[distant crystal]

classic put a hurtin' on us

[chilly brook]

you think you do

[distant crystal]

but we absorbed another guild so we actually have a bench now

[chilly brook]

but you don't

[hallow phoenix]

Not having a bench was our downfall

[chilly brook]

always gotta recruit

[distant crystal]

we were progging orgo, had 19 people online

guy who said he was taking his girlfriend skydiving

was showing playing Wow Classic in discord

online and everything

[hallow phoenix]

Lmfao

[distant crystal]

that's the new meme when anyone misses raid

"they're skydiving"

[chilly brook]

we just kicked a dude for appearing offline and raiding on another server during our raid time lmao

[vague badge]

That's why I hate all those tools showing your status and what shit you are doing

[distant crystal]

i turned that off asap in discord

[hallow phoenix]

Disable that shit

[distant crystal]

i don't need it showing my status as pornhub or smth

[vague badge]

About facials, should I stay dwarf for that juicy 10% dmg reduction or change to dark iron once I unlock it for the extra style points

[chilly brook]

facials huh?

after the phub talk?

[vague badge]

Lmfao, auto correct

[distant crystal]

paging dr. freud

[hallow phoenix]

:^)

[distant crystal]

and dorf > DiD

[vague badge]

😂 💦 👌

[distant crystal]

crit dmg, phys dmg redux

devilish good looks

top tier voice lines

[chilly brook]

If you're playing alliance to be a dwarf and not DiD you're wrong tbh

[distant crystal]

wholesome dorf > black metal dorf

[chilly brook]

so far, the alliance has definitely gotten the better allied races imo

[distant crystal]

i feel like lfd has fallen off

it used to slap so hard in uldir

mother wall strat + light's judgement

[vague badge]

So the dmg reduction from stone form isn't the relevant part, but the extra crit damage ?

[distant crystal]

mmmmmm

they just have passive crit dmg

it's more dps than DiD's stats from the active

[vague badge]

I just dislike the other racials from dwarfs.
The mole machine and extra movement speed seems nice

[distant crystal]

stoneform's redux is just icing on the cake

the MS is the best part of DiD imo

[chilly brook]

tbh

[vague badge]

But who am I to judge, I'm just a scrub

[chilly brook]

you're really just better off playing what you think looks cool

[vague badge]

The looks are nice though

[chilly brook]

racials aren't hugely impactful in the grand scheme of things

[vague badge]

But how often do I see my character face

[distant crystal]

i mean, meld is huge

and both dorf/DiD active is pretty nice in a lot of situations

utility racials tend to be more impactful than dmg

[vague badge]

True, but n11 warrior just seems wrong

[chilly brook]

is raider.io down?

[distant crystal]

nope

err

yup

the front page loaded fine but my profile

"Something went wrong"

and now cloudflare page

[vague badge]

Mole machine seems insanely convenient for old raid farming

[chilly brook]

I was going to look up what faction had the higher io scores 😛

[vague badge]

Most of those spots are near instances and reduce travel time by a lot

[chilly brook]

utility racials are nice but tbh a lot of the stuff you can do with meld can still be done without it

[vague badge]

I think it's time to write a script to do 10.000.000 random coin tosses for dwarf or DiD. Then it's the higher fate that decided

[chilly brook]

Is it bad that I'd honestly rather play SWTOR than WoW?

[distant crystal]

i'd say neutral

@vague badge /roll 2

1 dorf 2 DiD

it's the only way

[vague badge]

A single roll is to unreliable

[distant crystal]

surrender to fate

[vague badge]

Especially since those rolls are just pseudorandom

Need true random for that

Time to do some api calls to truerandom

[distant crystal]

even those aren't truerandom

you need to collapse a wavefunction

https://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/collapse_a_wavefunction.php

erm that's not the app i thought it was :p

[vague badge]

Isn't atmospherical noice nearly true random

Unfortunately my latest batch of radioactive materials didn't arrive yet, so I can't collapse a wavefunction 😂

[sharp rover]

Choose your dwarf for looks

Bronzebeard heritage vs DiD heritage

[vague badge]

Will be using neither of those. Blackhand transmog all the way

Although bronzebeard looks nice

Damn you

You just made my decision harder

How am I supposed to concentrate on work now

[ionic fern]

You don't.

[distant crystal]

i once e-mailed my boss a warcraftlogs link instead of the stackexchange link that i meant to send

that was awkward

[ionic fern]

Ah shit, i forgot to mog my new pants.

😒

Did you atleast tell him "I'm working on a thesis regarding this game and the logs are providing me valuable information"?

[distant crystal]

lol

was just like "oh uhh, mispaste"

they got more than their money's worth outta me so he wasn't much of a hardass

[oblique garnet]

Lul alliance

[vague badge]

Which shoulders are those ?

I think I will run DiD

Convenience > marginal bonus

[distant crystal]

kinda looks like the firelands shoulders

but like...cooler

is that some fancypants challenge mode set or smth @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Nah, those are fireland shoulders.

And BRF set.

[vague badge]

Phew

Thought I had to get heritage armor for those

I'm not ready to level 1-120

[ionic fern]

Just remember that if you go DID-..this is literally the only armor set you can run.

The BRF one.

😂

Because of the beard color.

[vague badge]

I always intended to only run brf armor

[ionic fern]

Then you have chosen wisely.

[vague badge]

First need to get the rep

[distant crystal]

that kromogg shield

feels like it doesn't match at all

so much lighter

nice bug tho

still have my fury weap on my back lol

even persisting through reload

[ionic fern]

I'm too lazy to find a decent shield and that's the only one i have with a similar color theme so i just go with it.

😂

[sullen valve]

Daily reminder Mwahi is actually santa

[vague badge]

What would be the faster way to unlock DiD ?

War campaign and wq on the enemy content I guess ?

[ionic fern]

PRetty much.

[pallid axle]

I like it this way though 😄

[vague badge]

That's lovely

[eager tartan]

Never played alliance but if I did I'd be Dorf masterace

[frosty ridge]

that's how warrior should warrior

[ionic fern]

^ tbh

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

You take the tiniest shield you can find to show the enemies your superiority.

[frosty ridge]

exactly. and then beat them with a branch.

[strong forum]

weirdW

[brittle owl]

staff warrior best warrior

go full on rafiki on their ass

[mortal brook]

worrior 😮

[rapid furnace]

any tips for necrotic?

[oblique garnet]

Kite at high stacks ?

If you have druid in the group ask for vortex etc

[rapid furnace]

try too get a druid do this in a pug 😄

[ionic fern]

Roughly that jeah - what Late said. ^
No real tricks other than the common sense to check your stacks and think ahead where you're tanking the pulls as in "Do i have to kite this pull before it dies? Do i have enough room to kite this pull if needed without pulling extra stuff?" etc.

if you're dwarf you can racial to reset.
OTher than that Shockwave->Leap

[brittle owl]

you don't really need to kite 99% of the time in sub 16-17 keys anyway

stuff dies before you need to

[oblique garnet]

should die

[brittle owl]

on tyr trash should melt even on like an 18/19

[ionic fern]

Idk, i don't expect anything from pug's so i just prepare for the worst.

😂

[brittle owl]

preparing for the worst just means holding on shockwave and yeet

🤷

[ionic fern]

Not sure what's bad about that.

[gaunt dawn]

imagine pugging 😦

just play with the same people forever and forever doubt if theyre good or not

[strong forum]

^

[brittle owl]

imagine not exploring the amazing wildlife that is the random gamer

[strong forum]

Amazing

Random gamer has 2iq and does 25k overall in dungeons if not less

Just 2 days ago I had a pug for a last minute mechagon normal run.

Dude had 2.8k rio score but did 25k dps and had, to my surprise, never done mechagon before

Yet another example of how rio score doesn't mean shit

[brittle owl]

nah

just go in veng disc and see how many "high io" veng 'mains' preach about fracture being good for glutt build

🥑

[strong forum]

Hey I'm one of those

🙃

😏

Totally has nothing to do with me wanting to press buttons I shouldn't press :pepega:

[sick sentinel]

fracture isn't good for glutt build

[oblique garnet]

neither is 2x DC but some people still go it :))

[stoic pilot]

bruh oono still runs triple dc

last I checked lmao

[oblique garnet]

Who is that ?

[stoic pilot]

some french warrior tank who pushes pretty high

old habits die hard apparently

[brittle owl]

that is peak of idiotic arguments

'X player uses that and he is top/near top, must be good'

[stoic pilot]

i never said it was good

so your argument dies there

[brittle owl]

like max saying BDK being top next tier kekw

oof

rip my argument :(

we had a good run

[stoic pilot]

late was talking about 2x dc i just said some guy ran 3x dc still and thought it was funny

[brittle owl]

i mean

i was making a blank statement

i used your comment as a springboard only

[stoic pilot]

fair enough

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah isnt this the french guy who threw a tantrum at some point in s1 for his own mistake and left like high key

[stoic pilot]

dude

if you actually watch this guys stream sometimes it's hilarious

[brittle owl]

french people throw tantrums in general that isn't a good descriptor

[stoic pilot]

he'll just die without using shield block or wall

on massive pulls sometimes

he depleted a 25 freehold last week because he did it 2x in a row

pulls 4 packs doesn't use mitigation and dies lmao

and then rages

[brittle owl]

then proceeds to

quoi

[ionic fern]

And then people come here saying "But the top r.io warrior is doing X so he's obv right"

[stoic pilot]

im surprised prot doesn't have a siphoning or leech meme emote after s2 tbh

[brittle owl]

wut

it did have it

did you not pay attention

[stoic pilot]

hmmm i must've missed it

[sharp night]

pretty sure mathematically frac provides more benefit than ftd after you weigh in opportunity cost of other abilities for glut build

[brittle owl]

that is

horribly incorrect

since ftd doesn't remove any opportunity cost

it just offers choice

which frac doesnt

on top of it, frac can mean you waste meta procs

[sharp night]

the opportunity cost is using any ability other than shear

[brittle owl]

yes that is completely incorrect

you have the option of using a normal rotation

or go into shear spam for monster hps

[sharp night]

because you are losing soul generation

[brittle owl]

with frac you do not have that choice

[vague badge]

Is vdh any good at high keys ?

[brittle owl]

yep

not many people play it though

the biggest issue is lack of dps

which on fort weeks is fine

on tyr, not so much

[vague badge]

I always thought that it's active mitigation is lackluster / bad

[sharp night]

using a "normal rotation" with shear and ftd means you aren't getting much benefit out of it

[ionic fern]

Did someone say....shear spam?

[brittle owl]

you misunderstand the use of FtD

the cdr of spikes is a bonus

it;s not why you take it

[sharp night]

you get fewer orbs than fracture rotation which means you heal less

[brittle owl]

incorrect

fracture has a charge system

[sharp night]

i am aware of that

fracture generates 4 orbs every 6 gcds

that means if you shear less than 4 times per 6 gcds

shear loses to frac

[brittle owl]

if you shear less than 4 times per 6 gcds it just means you don't take enough damage

so you trade off for cleaves for dps

the difference is

you can shear every gcd

and enable pulls you otherwise wouldnt be able to

on other tanks even

like entire beach in TD

and be fine even with 15 crock stacks

[sharp night]

except if you're spamming shear and hitting nothing else you are doing literally 0 dmg in aoe

which means you aren't holding agro

[brittle owl]

you have SoF, immo aura

which are the bulk of your aoe

• tricks

you're coming to conclusions with surface level understanding

or just lack of understanding

[sharp night]

and casting those is taking away shears

[ionic fern]

Isn't it better to just go to VDH discord and ask someone there?

[vague badge]

[brittle owl]

immo spawns souls, so i'm guessing you are mainly clueless

[vague badge]

Why is that an emoji?

[sharp night]

yes but immo spawn souls regardless of shear or frac build

so you can't count the souls immo spawns as a benefit

it's neutral either way

so when you compare it, immo is a negative for shear build but not frac

[stoic pilot]

here's a question is titanforging gone for all gear in 8.3 including old content (bod / eternal palace) or just for nyalotha itself

[sharp night]

because it has 0 opportunity cost when running frac due to the charge system leaving free gcds

all old content still forges

up to 455 ilvl

s4 gear is the only corruptionforge

and has no ilvl forging

[stoic pilot]

i wonder if it'll be worth to never ending farm ep for forged edict / urchin then

[brittle owl]

because it has 0 opportunity cost when running frac due to the charge system leaving free gcds

are you aware of what you are typing? it has 0 opportunity cost regardless of what build you're playing, since immo is a bigger soul generator in aoe, on top of being more damage than either of the two options in isolation

[strong forum]

We in fel hammer now I see

[brittle owl]

if you are not exploiting the soul generation bump that meta gives you, which is only really achievable with shear, then you might as well just play SpB

[strong forum]

laughs in 450 edict and 450+s urchin never need to see EP ever again

:comfy:

[viral arch]

@strong forum got r4 on all specs?

get ready to go back just so you can get the title

😆

[strong forum]

Imagine caring for stuff that doesn't make you stronger

[viral arch]

excuse me

style is 25% of your DPS

[strong forum]

R4 of an essence I will never use doesn't

Titles that will be eternally available doesn't

[stoic pilot]

ive been killing ashvane every week until recently and i literally just got my urchin last week

and it's not even mythic it's heroic

my trinket luck this tier

[ionic fern]

Wdym Urchin.
You kill Ashvane for Razor Coral.

[strong forum]

I got 450+s on first mystic kill

[brittle owl]

@viral arch pls go back to staining the floor

[strong forum]

Edict I got from my 2nd heroic kill

[stoic pilot]

jealous

[viral arch]

I thought that was for fracture users @brittle owl

[stoic pilot]

but then again i have 455 socketed rings

cant have it all

[brittle owl]

no that is for SPLAT mains

[gaunt dawn]

@ionic fern you use urchin for pvp

urchin + sporepods

[viral arch]

and yes

[gaunt dawn]

BiS combo

[viral arch]

sporepods more than urchin

[stoic pilot]

omg panthea ty for reminding me

[viral arch]

both are disgusting in pvp

[ionic fern]

Sporepods i knew about in pvp..but Urchin is news to me.

[stoic pilot]

i can actually put cyclo blast in my mecha card now

since i have urchin

[strong forum]

Urchin is 1k hps in pvp

[brittle owl]

imagine not playing cyclo in pvp

[gaunt dawn]

were you using the card from king?

[strong forum]

Does actually quite alot

[stoic pilot]

yes

the heal card that is

[gaunt dawn]

doesnt that outperform urchin?

[stoic pilot]

hmm im not 100% sure id have to test

[strong forum]

In what world would it

[stoic pilot]

it keeps up with sporepods

[gaunt dawn]

look right

ive been doing pvp for two weeks now

im some what of an expert

[ionic fern]

For CnS?

[brittle owl]

pvpnotes.tk when

[stoic pilot]

"tank swap on fire mage combustion"

[gaunt dawn]

ya

and i kind of want to get 2.4k on mage

but need a team

😦

[ionic fern]

Prot warr + mage

Lets go Panth

[strong forum]

Play a real class

[gaunt dawn]

3s 😡

[strong forum]

Like warri

[ionic fern]

😦

[stoic pilot]

just play with a gdruid in 3's

[gaunt dawn]

idk what i play

guardian druid can go do one

actually stupid

[brittle owl]

just get a warlock

[stoic pilot]

lmao

[brittle owl]

and do 2's

zerg everything

[strong forum]

Fire mage + warri + druid works

[gaunt dawn]

HUE HUE, LOOK AT ME 20% PERMA DR AND I HEAL TOO

AND IM A DPS DID I FORGET?

[strong forum]

Affli good in pvp when

[stoic pilot]

15k+ dps, keeps up with healer and spammable dr

[strong forum]

Fuck destro

[stoic pilot]

bear finally meta in something

[strong forum]

Affli is the pvp spec

[gaunt dawn]

its hardly meta

[brittle owl]

wat

[gaunt dawn]

just annoying

[oblique garnet]

@gaunt dawn have you tried playing prot in pvp ?

[brittle owl]

affli pvp spec

🤮

[strong forum]

Tanks SHOULD NOT be able to que in arena

[brittle owl]

destro is the pvp spec

[gaunt dawn]

if i had a DK + DH, i could do prot pala 3s

[brittle owl]

always has been

[stoic pilot]

remember the days of 2 blood dk 2v2

[brittle owl]

sometimes it was demo as well

[gaunt dawn]

and do the cleave build

[oblique garnet]

paladin kekw

[strong forum]

Fuck outta here with that destro shit

[oblique garnet]

play pwar

[gaunt dawn]

where you just global someone when the game starts

[strong forum]

Affli has always been the the Arena spec

[gaunt dawn]

but after that youre kinda noodle

[strong forum]

Until bfs

[brittle owl]

affliction pvp is the most degenerate shit ever

fuck outta here with that dot/pillar juke/dot bs

[strong forum]

It's great

I hate casting

[brittle owl]

it's horrible

[strong forum]

I like dotting

[brittle owl]

then play a melee you goddamn nerd

[oblique garnet]

also friendly reminder the ai brawl week event this week counts towards your blood of the enemy / sphere farm and is faster than any other week to do so

[strong forum]

I play melee 999/1000

But affli has a special place in my heart

[brittle owl]

you should have your heart checked out

doesn't look healthy

[strong forum]

Imagine enjoy a 2hr cast time, being interrupted 3000x times

Yikes

[stoic pilot]

yea but imagine getting 1 cast off and hitting for 130k

[strong forum]

Trash

Literal trash

[brittle owl]

imagine not juking lmao

[strong forum]

Destro juking :hahaa:

It's 5-10min of trying to get a cast of

Fucking degenerate casters

[gaunt dawn]

oi 😡

[strong forum]

:hehe:

Be a man and fight

[neat crow]

does anyone know how good is meticulous scheeming for m+ tanking ?

[strong forum]

Don't run

[brittle owl]

i imagine this is the shape of your head irl as well

[oblique garnet]

just spam cast immolate and proc infernal and still win even without casting cb

[strong forum]

And hide

[gaunt dawn]

im glad we've all agreed to collaborate and boost me to 2.4k in 3s

thanks team

ill be online tomorrow

[oblique garnet]

MS is one of the best traits for m+ @neat crow

[stoic pilot]

@neat crow it's very good

[ionic fern]

Jep, i wish i had even one of MS.

😒

[strong forum]

I am actually quite handsome thank you very much

[stoic pilot]

i just wish we had impassive or resounding on our pieces with MS

the dream

[oblique garnet]

[brittle owl]

too bad you're a melee brain

[strong forum]

Melee brain is best brain

[ionic fern]

I hate you Late.

[strong forum]

If you aren't in the midst, bashing the enemies skull in, are you even playing

[oblique garnet]

Now imagine if you had all the sockets i have 🙂

[brittle owl]

bashing the enemies skull
bashes own brain on keyboard

[strong forum]

Stop copying my armory late

has to move for 1meter
0dps

[brittle owl]

much skill, such melee, wOw

[ionic fern]

I got like 2 sockets.

😒

[strong forum]

Same

1 is JC ring

[brittle owl]

i have

5

[oblique garnet]

I have 8

[brittle owl]

[oblique garnet]

No jc ring

still 2 socketed rings 🙂

[strong forum]

Ye but are you 449.5 equipped

[oblique garnet]

450

[strong forum]

See

Not even 449.5

Slacker

😏

[strong forum]

Man fuck this non nitro emotes..

[ionic fern]

Meanwhile someone like this is roaming around

[brittle owl]

yeah see

[strong forum]

Half of my jokes don't come even remotely close

[brittle owl]

FUCK that guy

[oblique garnet]

is that our dh?

[strong forum]

Benthic...

[brittle owl]

prob has a tiny peen

[ionic fern]

🤷

Doubt it.

It's alliance

[strong forum]

Benthic sockets don't count

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah our dh has 455 coral + 455 inkpod

ye you right

[strong forum]

Neither do 430+s

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

Arthur fists

[brittle owl]

y no crit socket 😦

[oblique garnet]

why would i

it should be vers if i cared about st

[strong forum]

How about caring about aoe, not St

M+ pad is where its at

[oblique garnet]

haste>crit

[strong forum]

Exactly

[warm plinth]

Saw a DH last week who had a 455 inkpod, 455 razor coral, 455 diver folly and 445 tusks

Also did we lose Marok?

[brittle owl]

👀

[ionic fern]

He's still around.

[viral arch]

@fierce juniper y u do this to us

can't bully cosmo, can't even bully merek anymore

[warm plinth]

Oh shit Mandl is here. Hide

Why can’t we bully Cosmo?

[ionic fern]

Mandl is always here, he's just ignoring my DM's.

[warm plinth]

Well you do have to do some TCing yourself you know

[brittle owl]

that's cuz you look like a creepy santa mwahi

[viral arch]

When your nation has more than 10M people I'll consider you as DM-worthy

[ionic fern]

😦

[brittle owl]

wow

[ionic fern]

That'll never happen.

[viral arch]

I mean, it can, you just need to get busy 😏

[brittle owl]

mandl aren't you dutch or something

[viral arch]

nah

[ionic fern]

Also @warm plinth TOXIC.

[viral arch]

I'm a mix of a lot of different EU nationalities

[brittle owl]

aren't we all tho

[viral arch]

some more than others

I lived for a grand total of a year in the country my parents both are partly from

[ionic fern]

I already supported estonians population, my task is done

[viral arch]

😏

[brittle owl]

any baltic country and population in the same sentence 😂

[warm plinth]

I still love you Mwahi

[ionic fern]

I'm just annoying Mandl with BDK fotm memes. 😦

[warm plinth]

What’s a BDK?

[brittle owl]

you mean limit memes

[oblique garnet]

next tiers best tank

Thats bdk )

[brittle owl]

bdk is a thrift store dh wdym

[ionic fern]

The thing you sometimes bring to a raid fight when you need to grip something.

[warm plinth]

Only relevant if you raid though 😂

Still shit in M+

Blood DK is like the me of Mythic+

[neat crow]

thank you @oblique garnet and @stoic pilot

[faint swift]

guys as tank should i care much about the socket more than ilvl ?

[neat crow]

out of these, which should I use for m+ tanking ?

[strong forum]

Rezan + gore

Ilvl > everything @neat crow

Sockets are 5ilvl tops on normal gear

On rings it's 10-15

0 on Shield or weapon

[faint swift]

how about trinkets

[strong forum]

Depends on the trinket

Generally 0 if it's a different trinket

If its the same trinket around 5-10

[faint swift]

Bloodthirsty Urchin 440 and i got the same with 430 but with socket

[brittle owl]

trinkets you take for the effect

10 extra ilvls of effect are greater thsn the socket will ever be

[faint swift]

yea ty for the help guys

[strong forum]

10ilvl on stat procs like gore and rezan maybe

But more realistically 5

Urchin / edict you disregard sockets

[vague badge]

I won't run a kul tiran human, but isn't that damage taken into healing racial as good as it sounds ?

[mortal brook]

until overheal yeah

[strong forum]

You can count it as 2% less dmg taken

Doesn't amount to mindblowing results

Given you get 1% vers on top, on average you take 1.5-2% 'less dmg' than other races

[zealous wharf]

are there any detailed prot war guides for mythic+ besides wowhead/icy

[strong forum]

None that we would recommend

Keep in mind guides are meant to help you get started.
Not a rule set that must be strictly followed.

Just throwing it out there

[tame garden]

[zealous wharf]

yeah just looking for interesting class specific tips for certain dungeons

[strong forum]

Maybe #268491842637660160 can answer some of that

[exotic spoke]

Look at you Nome. Helping out.

I’m so proud

[strong forum]

I do that more often than you

😏

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

Nice pfp

[vague badge]

Still, that sounds nice. Why do kul tirans need to be so fat though

[strong forum]

Eh I find it really underwhelming

Especially when Dorf and NE exists

[exotic spoke]

What are you talking about Nome. I do it here while bantering with other people and do stuff on reddit

Dwarf is so good

Situationally *

[vague badge]

I guess the 1% less physical dmg from DiD will be sufficient for me

[tame garden]

Kul tiran is bis ally tmog

[exotic spoke]

Did gets strength on their active too

[strong forum]

I was kultiran for less than 24hrs

Cuz I just couldn't stand the look of it

And not having Dorf racial on council in BoD

Yiiiike

[tame garden]

Hater

[vague badge]

I couldn't play a race I hate visually just for the facials

Racials

[exotic spoke]

I wish dwarf worked on Rezan in AD

[strong forum]

Dwarf vdh when

So I can remove necrotic

I beg

[tame garden]

We need less op racials not more op racials riki

[exotic spoke]

@vague badge that’s a good way of looking at it. The racials are really minor. Situationally strong - but for the majority of people minor

[vague badge]

Damned auto correct is showing freudian slips again

[exotic spoke]

@tame garden I just want to be OP

[tame garden]

No

[exotic spoke]

Riki is never OP enough

[tame garden]

Alliance 🗞️

[strong forum]

Speg is just jelly he can't be Dorf druid

[exotic spoke]

That’s it

PROTECTION CHAT CLOSED

[tame garden]

I want to be vulpera druid

☹️

[exotic spoke]

Have you thought about your actions Speg?

[strong forum]

@exotic spoke no you don't

[tame garden]

Will have to settle for vulpera warrior

Such is life

[exotic spoke]

I need a third warrior now. But essence grind.

[vague badge]

I'm still fucking indecisive regarding dorf or DiD

[exotic spoke]

Personally I like DiD

[warm plinth]

Why tf do you need a third

[tame garden]

^

[exotic spoke]

It’s more offensively oriented than dwarf

And looks cooler

[tame garden]

Why 3 warriors

Make a druid

[exotic spoke]

PROBABLYRIKI WILL BE A GOBLIN AGAIN

Horde carries really that’s it

[warm plinth]

But like

[exotic spoke]

I also think more transmogs look better on DiD

[warm plinth]

You could have just left him as horde

And done the 2nd alliance as a new one

[tame garden]

Or just not have 3 warriors

[exotic spoke]

Except the second alliance needed to be ready ASAP

[tame garden]

1 ally 1 horde

[warm plinth]

For what? Heroic?

Just tank heroic as 400 Ilvl. Easy

[exotic spoke]

Yeah and no. Not doing that

[warm plinth]

Pussy

[exotic spoke]

Probably

[warm plinth]

No balls

Noooo balls

[vague badge]

It's still funny for me that you use Dorf for dwarf

In German that means village

[exotic spoke]

Probablyriki is already DiD. I’m not paying for another transfer back to horde

Dwarf (Dorf) is a noun and a verb.
Verb - to Dwarf - to use your racial and cleanse yourself

[warm plinth]

Already paying another $60

Because you and I both know you’re not leveling shit

[exotic spoke]

I haven’t preordered next expac 😛

[warm plinth]

Gotta get heroic edition for the boost though D:

[tame garden]

Wasting boost on 3rd war

[exotic spoke]

What’s that like 20 bucks more? And what’s 20 bucks more with that gallywix gold

Boosting a warrior is NEVER a waste

[tame garden]

😔

It is when you have 2 already

[exotic spoke]

But I don’t have one horde

Also @warm plinth how far you say I didn’t level Probablyriki

Freehold works wonders

[tame garden]

But why did you need to transfer the horde one back to ally

[warm plinth]

Afking in an instance isn’t leveling

[exotic spoke]

To continue to raid on Tuesdays in heroic with my friends of the past 15 years

Excuse me ghash. You don’t afk. You have to follow along anlittle

[tame garden]

This is true

Gotta stay in xp range

[warm plinth]

🙄

[exotic spoke]

I know I’m an odd person ok. Leave me alone

TBH - probably won’t do a third warrior.

[warm plinth]

When you feeding me DH gear btw

[tame garden]

He only has warriors

[exotic spoke]

Saturday probably?

Not true Speg

[tame garden]

Cant feed you squat

[exotic spoke]

Well in that context quasi true

[warm plinth]

He can trade me like

Yeah nothing

Rings

[tame garden]

[warm plinth]

Lol

[tame garden]

Can give you this

🙂

[warm plinth]

I can shove it up his ass too

[sweet summit]

Kinky

[sand egret]

Did someone say dorf druids?

[tame garden]

Mayhaps

[sand egret]

#thedream

[exotic spoke]

But I can get a group together to trade him other gear and stuff

That would be the dream

[tame garden]

I have no 120 ally

😦

[warm plinth]

I’m gonna need 2x Diver folly

Make it happen cap’n

[tame garden]

😂

[warm plinth]

How lucky am I though? One time raiding the whole expansion and got both war forged inkpod and war forged folly

[vague badge]

I guess US and EU Player aren't able to play together, right ?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[oblique garnet]

Well technically if you buy na account you can play there

[warm plinth]

Technically doesn’t count Late. You made an NA account. I still can’t play with you.

Because you never fuckin play it

[oblique garnet]

I dont have game time ok

[warm plinth]

Excuses

[vague badge]

Just play on EU Kappa. Best server

[oblique garnet]

this tbh

also @warm plinth I dont want another weekly to do i already have 10

[undone sun]

Yikes

[sullen valve]

But EU has mwahi and NA has me

I think i made my case for NA being better

[exotic spoke]

But I wouldn’t have full T3 if I bought an EU account

[oblique garnet]

that is extremely toxic my friend

[vague badge]

You could have it on the Classic Server

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

I already did Naxx when it was current in Vanilla

[oblique garnet]

Classic is for boomers anyways

[tame garden]

Yup

[vague badge]

Was it as hard as all the people claim it was, or was it just hard because of the need for 8 warrior tanks ?

[exotic spoke]

Hear that @lusty grotto

[tame garden]

Boomerchip

[exotic spoke]

You didn’t need 8 warrior tanks. On a few of our 4 horsemen kills we had a. Prot paladin. Because one of the warriors couldn’t make it.

Naxx was hard for the time. But it had actual mechanics which, until AQ40, the game didn’t have too many of

And there was a lot less information out there regarding the bosses / sharing strats etc

[undone sun]

"hard" because it was new

[oblique garnet]

people were just bad

[exotic spoke]

And yeah - the general population then was a lot worse than the general population now

[tame garden]

Hard with 40 ppl on trash pcs with dial up internet and barely know how to play the game

[exotic spoke]

The game was less developed too. You could more easily cheese / exploit things

It’s where my mindset comes from of “exploit early and exploit often”

[strong forum]

People were bad and the game was shit

Like badly coded

N stuff

Tons of bugs that today wouldn't last a day

[vague badge]

I loved the "exploits" one could do in ToT 10 man edition

Solo tanking Paladin who out dpsed everyone due to vengenance

Just burning through dark animus and ignoring nearly every mechanic. Those were the days :D

[sand egret]

another thing to consider is that design also didn't really have stuff that prioritized "healers" and shit. General mechanic RNG was also shit back then

[strong forum]

Like imagine being 13 year old kid that had NEVER played or seen anything like wow, barely any real time combat experience. Ofc everything is gonna seem insanely new and hard cuz you have no idea

Even the people who claimed they had an idea

Didnt

[sand egret]

they had an idea of the time

[strong forum]

Just look at the world first kills, people still going afk

Not managing shit

[sand egret]

it's just so hard to compare it to the current game

[strong forum]

Completely pepega

The top people back then were worse than your average gamer right now

[exotic spoke]

That’s more about poor design than exploits per se. I’m talking about things like:
Warriors having 52 talent points instead of 51
Being able to charge in combat by using a macro to take you out of combat
Using a specific cosmetic pet / mind vision to clear debuffs

[vague badge]

Okay so it was being shit at the game and other tertiary factors and not "classic nax was harder than archimonde mythic"

[sand egret]

the 40 person social problem was honestly what made a lot of it "hard"

[strong forum]

Yes marlu

40 people also

[exotic spoke]

It wasn’t a shit game.

For its time it was amazing

[strong forum]

Too much autism to manage

For its time yes

[sand egret]

just getting 40 people to seperate for Thaddius' charges

OOF

[strong forum]

But you see current classic is already dying, people creating 3-5 chars just to have smth to do

Cuz they clear it 200x as fast

[sand egret]

and like addons weren't nearly as advanced

[exotic spoke]

I mean that’s a multifaceted issue

[sand egret]

i think people take for granted the impact of addons on their gameplay

[strong forum]

There's still people in private servers saying that retail players are bad, yet they don't take 'increases all dmg dealt by 4% when wielding an 1h weapon' (0/3) as prot pally cuz they say its bad

They're blinded by nostalgia

[sand egret]

game also wasn't as deep, so the stuff you needed to do to min/max was more like "hit x break points" and less nuanced as even the most "basic" specs are today

"get a slow 2hander" or "use this rank of spell" =/

[red ridge]

so i wanna switch to proc, I always wanted to try tanking. My first question is what is the easiest way to get a shield? second question I am a little nervous tanking I dont wanna suck. any tips for a new tank?

[strong forum]

Check the guides

Also I had a nice copy pasta

Lemme find it

[tame garden]

Start with heroics/m0s to build up muscle memory

[sand egret]

just practice and get confidence

tanking is no different than playing a dps, you just need to do more homework

[strong forum]

you can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again
So it's SB-SB-SB-LS-SB-SB
For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg

You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD
priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg
Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.
Don't empty your Rage bar before needing to use SB
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.

If you can't keep up SB or LS fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime

Found it

[sand egret]

also this ☝️

[tame garden]

You're a dps that leads the group, holds agro, and uses a lot more defensives

[sand egret]

you can always tell an unsure tank because they do that like stop and "where am I?" moment after every pack

like they're waiting for the "ok" from the group

[limpid pawn]

Who are our top parsing prot wars

[sand egret]

Dylan

Dylan

Dylan

[languid smelt]

I have always been a Trial by Fire player when it comes to new specs/classes. If you have never played Prot before and want to learn/get a feel for the abilities, turn on War Mode and do WQ's a few times. From there start to do group content preferably with a group of friends that know that you are learning. Keep increasing the difficulty of the content as you get more comfortable. You can purchase a 370 shield on the AH for pretty cheap these days and then check WQ's for shields to pop. Turn you loot spec to Prot when you open your weekly chests as well.

[sand egret]

and Dylan

[limpid pawn]

Lol

[exotic spoke]

Fumeiyo was one of the top parsing prot warriors . My parses are decent

[strong forum]

Mine are also good

Had a couple top 10s not anymore though

[analog swift]

where did Fum go

Fum also was bit of a prick "it's easy to get 99 parses just use avatar on cd forehead" ignoring that his guild was far ahead of most and had extremely fast kill times

[strong forum]

He disappeared in classic iirc

Fum was / is still insanely geard and sacrifices as much as he can to get the tiniest bit ahead in dmg

[undone sun]

including modesty

[exotic spoke]

You’re right Theseus.

And yeah, when your raid does stupid high damage it makes your parses even better because you have a higher. Uptime of pots / heroism

[analog swift]

exactly

nobody in the brewmaster discord asks for high parses 😦

[sand egret]

as well as the inverse being true....

when you parse low cuz your raid takes an extra minute per boss

:sadbear:

[strong forum]

The sad thing about my guild was / is

We had REALLY good dmg

It's just mechanically they / we suck

[sand egret]

we have people that parse in the 10s

[strong forum]

Half of our roster got 95-99s regularly, me included ( 😏) and a couple purple, rarely blue

[sand egret]

yeah, not so much here. I have fun, so it's enjoyable but i'm certainly not gonna get a top parse any time soon haha

[strong forum]

But just mechanically we were fully pepega

[sand egret]

often goes hand in hand with high parses tho

people ignore mechanics for dps

[strong forum]

Eh

It's more

Once in a blue moon people focused

And did both

Dps and mechanics

[exotic spoke]

Sigh. I guess I should buckle down and get CNS rank 3

[tame garden]

Yes

[exotic spoke]

Good thing I have a fury set I never use and 440 geti + 445 weapon

[strong forum]

Why stop there, get r4, cuz it totally has an animation

[exotic spoke]

So I can just double dps burst innareans

In arenas*

[sand egret]

i started doing that this week to

[exotic spoke]

Nah, I’m old and washed up when it comes to rated pvp. That and all my connections I used to do high end pvp with don’t play anymore sooooo fuck making new ones

[sand egret]

not too hard to be honest

like if you got 445+ ilvl, you can just face roll up until you start getting some tokens

i ran into kids last night with like 220k hp

pop cds and yolo that shit

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I’m like 1200 right now and 1850ish mmr

I’ll just get a dps, and do double Iris on kids

[sand egret]

i just found some random ungeared pug looking to cap

[exotic spoke]

I wonder if I have the right traits for pvp. Guess I’ll check when I get home

[sand egret]

i'm telling ya

face roollllll

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I’ve just been lazy

[sand egret]

ditto, esp when I realized had I just done this for the past few weeks i'd already have had it lol

at least it's kinda an evergreen essence

don't think flat vers is going out of style in 8.3 lol

[tame garden]

Yeah 1600 is complete faceroll

Just go pve the healer down

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. May do spriest fury and double iris / CDs them down

The question is do I go inkpod and just laugh when they hit 30%?

[sand egret]

i ran last night with some undergeared hunter who just did some CC while I tunneled hard

[brittle owl]

no you don't iris

you rocky them

pop cd's go ham

double cyclo gg

ez 1.6k

no brain

just smorc

[west galleon]

@exotic spoke inkpod is dispellable

so no

[exotic spoke]

I’m just saying I hear double iris -> double cyclone was good.

@west galleon whatbif im running with a class that doesn’t want to have their dots dispelled? Would that be worth - more to try and protect their dots?

[west galleon]

spriest already has dot protection in a fear/silence if their dot is dispelled

but im not sure what class inkpod is, it might dispel both

[brittle owl]

i did double rocky double cyclo with ret+dh

was hilarious

meat grinder really

[exotic spoke]

Fair. I’m out of the loop for pvp. Been a bit since I did it. And what do you mean double rocky mael?

[brittle owl]

if healer didn't yeet properly dead in 5 globals

raid dps essence

guardian of azeroth w/e it's called

[west galleon]

clf pumps at low cr

high cr ppl just LoS it

[exotic spoke]

Oh yeah ok I have that

[tame garden]

Inkpod is magic

[little hawk]

how does prot look in Nyalotha?

[brittle owl]

inkpod is also good at low cr, you can cheese quite a few wins

prot is fine in nyalotha

all tanks are fine next tier 🤷

[west galleon]

yeah i didn't think about it but ppl probably aren't dispelling inkpod at low cr

[exotic spoke]

Prot looks fine. Some people are over valuing things innthe fights and undervaluing others in my opinion

[brittle owl]

i.e.: people are talking out of their ass

[west galleon]

i mean world first raiders making predictions off things they tested isn't talking out of their ass

and i haven't seen anyone say prot will be bad

[exotic spoke]

Pretty sure Preach did

But the other thing is that the track record of these predictions is actually horrible

[warm plinth]

Yeah it really is

[tame garden]

He heavily prefaced his video being aimed at very early prog and for people with the option to go any spec

[brittle owl]

making predictions based on ptr

is literally talking out of your ass

[sand egret]

gotta love prediction videos

[west galleon]

saying "with how the fights are now, ___ tank is looking good" isn't talking out of your ass ¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk why it italicized