protection

[left hatch]

mmmm radiance and zaqul?

[distant crystal]

you're inting on orgo

[ivory barn]

I just simmmed all my higher ilvl pieces and all the sockets reign supremem https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4kvWHPJJxm44mrAU4Q5Yqb

[distant crystal]

i mean radiance i still run deva

[hallow phoenix]

I boss tank orgo

And yes deva on radiance

[distant crystal]

a few seconds of add cleaving doesn't make it worth dropping

[left hatch]

was thinking orgo, ik theres 2 in mythic that are 3 BoM aoe spam

[distant crystal]

ye orgo if you're on adds for sure

i guess you can still bootyclap when you're not actively tanking boss

[hallow phoenix]

Eh...

[distant crystal]

but boss dmg matters more than anything

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Up855G8fdSKhUtAWzLVBG

devas adds 2k

but only ST fights

[left hatch]

and ashvane is a ST fight lul

[hallow phoenix]

Do you have CoF

That's like another 2k

[ivory barn]

whats that a weap?

[distant crystal]

crucible major, null + vision (r3) minors

you'll clap lady ashvane

[hallow phoenix]

Crucible of flame

[ivory barn]

Oh I have CoF

[hallow phoenix]

Major that sucker

[distant crystal]

and use UF pots

[left hatch]

get rid of that lucid

ew

[distant crystal]

really wanna get null r3 tho

it's big

[hallow phoenix]

So probably CoF major, visions lucid minor

[distant crystal]

go start a spare parts group

[hallow phoenix]

Until you can get r3 null

[ivory barn]

i need 22 crates

[left hatch]

thats like... an hour tops

[distant crystal]

protwarr is sick in spare parts farming

[hallow phoenix]

22 crates if like an hour

[distant crystal]

get some dps in there to drag stuff to you

and just bootyclap forever

[left hatch]

join a group in the middle of mecha, spam turn in the repeatable lunch box quest

geegee

[distant crystal]

until you got your crates

[ivory barn]

is VoP no longer BiS for prot?

[distant crystal]

i have now gotten PP on 4 toons

[hallow phoenix]

I hit 40k in my sim this week :^)

[distant crystal]

null on 2

[left hatch]

defensively yes, in M+ yes

for output in raid no

[distant crystal]

and the healer one on 1

[left hatch]

never was

[distant crystal]

you'll still rock vision minor

the avatar cd is useful

but crucible major is just huge st dps

[hallow phoenix]

Vision minor I like a lot on ashvane, more than cns. The timing works out really well with bubbles and you can help cleave your friends out

[distant crystal]

you can be really tryhard and pandemic it with your 2stack cast

damn u got a ton of sockets lol

and none of them benthic

mbn

[hallow phoenix]

So just eyeballing your azerite, that's probably your best setup unless you have other pieces

[distant crystal]

you can pickup 2x RF

[hallow phoenix]

From what

[distant crystal]

but it costs you 2 bastions

helm and shoulders

[hallow phoenix]

Skyscorcher has RF?... I never knew

Used those for like a month lol

[distant crystal]

i just hit sim again

with the hide offspec unchecked

[hallow phoenix]

When I had dread water helm bastion simmed higher than RF for some reason

[distant crystal]

not sure if cthraxxi would be better lemme givve it a sim

[hallow phoenix]

Cthraxxi is better

It's bis

[ivory barn]

.<

[hallow phoenix]

RF swirling sands

[ivory barn]

I have that in bags. I was told Sky Scorchers was better like 3 days ago

wtf

[hallow phoenix]

It's all about context

[left hatch]

"better" is super situational

[ivory barn]

I asked for Raid

[hallow phoenix]

Skyscorcher is better defensively

[distant crystal]

the context is he wants to pump ashvane

[hallow phoenix]

For dps, the sim will show you the way

The good news is you have two bis parse pieces

[ivory barn]

which ones?

[hallow phoenix]

Cthraxxi and vengeful

[distant crystal]

imma post you a sim

in a sec

i'm predicting like

33K

we shall see

[hallow phoenix]

34k my prediction

If you fixed his essences

Null r3 is at least 2k DPS on ashvane

[novel leaf]

I think Nerds rotation could use a hand

[distant crystal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mYG1GTGe9rYEcsyKTDuGM8

if we truncate i win

:p

[ivory barn]

whoa

.<

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[ivory barn]

how do you get RF on prot?

[hallow phoenix]

Socket him crit

And I win

Spec fury, select RF, spec prot

[distant crystal]

^

it's weird that it wanted bastion on helm

over the 2nd rf

[hallow phoenix]

Mine did too

[distant crystal]

but in sim we trust

and if you get null r3

swap that in for lucid minor

and you get +2k dps

if you soak a bubble early

or like, +1.8k or smth

[brittle owl]

it's 2k+ if you proc it on ce

cd*

[distant crystal]

but losing lucid minor

isn't nothing :p

[brittle owl]

strictly ST

[ivory barn]

wait Null is worse than Lucid atm?

[brittle owl]

i'd say it's irelevant

[sweet summit]

You forgot benthic items

[distant crystal]

null r3 is way better

[left hatch]

for output yes

r2 has no value

[ivory barn]

mine is R2 atm

[brittle owl]

only r3 is worth

[distant crystal]

like i said, get to spare part farming

asap :p

put on some netflix

[hallow phoenix]

Someone mentioned your rotation

[distant crystal]

go to the junk heaps

[brittle owl]

it's a 2h grind tops

[hallow phoenix]

Did you post a wowanalyzer

[brittle owl]

for 40 crates

[distant crystal]

start/join a spare part farming group

[ivory barn]

I can...

[distant crystal]

and get 5ppl in there

you'll get it in no time

[ivory barn]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Ymfc2wJjv93RMZb8/46-Mythic+Lady+Ashvane+-+Wipe+17+(5:24)/Ismashbuttns/standard

thats our last pull

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Ymfc2wJjv93RMZb8

here is entire log war Ismashbuttns

[sick sentinel]

People still farm spare parts? Just buy the stuff to make the crates

[distant crystal]

i mean if you're rich you can do that but it's so easy

to just afk farm while you watch tv

[ionic fern]

👀

[ivory barn]

what do I buy to get that?

[sick sentinel]

I don’t know like the hardened plate shit

[distant crystal]

it's the items that drop to create recycle bundles

springs n plates n stuff

go kill a few mobs in the heaps and you'll see what the items are

then check AH

the springs are the expensive ones iirc

[sick sentinel]

They’re all real cheap at this point last I checked

[brittle owl]

i just grazed your logs nerd, wtf are your dps doing

[distant crystal]

lol

[brittle owl]

your paladin is using coral buff outside of wings

[ivory barn]

what u mean

[novel leaf]

Hi guys, our guild tries but we have a couple retards

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ehs3mmLe7bZPf6hkJiW4X7

34,7

.<

[brittle owl]

dh is using guardian outside meta

people not prepotting

[distant crystal]

that's normal for the first one

meta on pull, guardian on expose

then meta + guardian + lust 2nd expose

[brittle owl]

only 14 prepots

[distant crystal]

that's pretty bad tho

healers and tanks n everybody should be prepotting UF

[cerulean tusk]

"I am a healer/tank, I dont need to prepot"

[brittle owl]

6 more prepots would counteract the need for oneeta at start

one meta*

[novel leaf]

bruh our guildies are kinda retarded, we have to yell at some poeple to do mechanics

[hallow phoenix]

Nerd I went over your last pull. Seems you didn't avatar at the start? No reason to hold it

[brittle owl]

you have the dps anyway

[hallow phoenix]

Also there were a few times where you did a double devastate within avatar. Every other cast should be tclap in avatar (when you run devastator shield slam procs take priority)

[brittle owl]

just assign cds better

[ivory barn]

i Avatar @ 1s before pull

[hallow phoenix]

Ah ok

Make sure you are tclapping nonstop in avatar then, even if she's out of range because you're moving her or whatever. Missing out on rage if you're not tclapping

[brittle owl]

^

[hallow phoenix]

This will be true for orgo too if you're soaking puddles with nothing around

[brittle owl]

your paladin warlock and one of the shadowpriests are hard carries though

[ivory barn]

we had to pug tonight 😢

oh shit, T-clapping while not on a target generates rage.....

[hallow phoenix]

Sure does

You can intercept melee too for free rage

[brittle owl]

or leap away > charge

[hallow phoenix]

I call that roleplaying as arms

[brittle owl]

no that's being a sick motherfucker

[novel leaf]

He already intercepts melee

[hallow phoenix]

It looks cooler to leap away though, mael is on the money

[novel leaf]

lol

[hallow phoenix]

One other nice thing about devastator is the simplicity in the rotation

One less button to press

Also getting to shield slam back to back feels great and reminds me of legion

[exotic spoke]

Almost timed a 20 shrine. Was so close 😦

wiped on last boss. No wipe and we time it.

[hallow phoenix]

Oof

[exotic spoke]

Made chagnes to how we do second boss and fuck was it easy

[hallow phoenix]

Did you demote it to 19

[exotic spoke]

Did it at 20

Still have a 21

[hallow phoenix]

Ez

[exotic spoke]

So we go in thursday with it as a twenty

[hallow phoenix]

How do you do second boss

[ionic fern]

What did you do on 2nd boss?

[exotic spoke]

I'll link Mwahi

[ionic fern]

Ledge schenanigans?

[hallow phoenix]

:(

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

Saw it on a vod of, naowh I think?

[distant crystal]

standing in upsurge to charge back

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[hallow phoenix]

We had a fury warrior doing that

His upsurge damage taken was insane

[distant crystal]

as long as you don't stand in multiple stacked upsurges

it's fairly safe

[hallow phoenix]

Healers were complaining about it but he didn't see the issue

[exotic spoke]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/516519384?t=08h41m37s

@ionic fern

Once he gets in position

It helped increased our DPS a lot because it increased uptime on cleaving both mobs together

basically 8:42:20

[ionic fern]

Oh jeah, i did that yesterday - only difference was the tornadoes spawned ontop of me and oneshot me.

[exotic spoke]

didnt one shot me when I got by them lol

but yeah - that was a single one

Its a good placement

got 5 points from it lol

[hallow phoenix]

I need to try that

[exotic spoke]

Down to needing 60 points

Tusks. Its all on you. But if you're comfortable with it its a lot easier

[hallow phoenix]

So basically hug them to the ledge and kite nados and safety rune along it?

[exotic spoke]

our DH did all the interrupt calls. so I didnt even have to look at that. I just focused on the cooldowns of the shielding ward and the hindering cleave

Basically

[hallow phoenix]

I like that lots

[exotic spoke]

Just make sure you turn them away from the ledge

so when you have to move them - they don't face the ledge at all but go the opposite way

[hallow phoenix]

For cleave?

[exotic spoke]

yeah

[hallow phoenix]

I guess step one is I need to find a push group again

[exotic spoke]

That would help

we spent a little bit of time practicing positioning in regular mythic

[hallow phoenix]

I'm positive I can get pugs to do this

[brittle owl]

step 2 is wait for s4 kekw

[exotic spoke]

sigh

[ivory barn]

aight screw farming this crap anymore

Null R3 inc!

[sweet summit]

[ivory barn]

swap w/ Lucid you said?

[sweet summit]

Ye

Probably

[ionic fern]

For raids?

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ujCmRZAX9wjPJsZjpy53Vw

yea raids

[ionic fern]

++

Now all you need is CnS.

[ivory barn]

swap out which one?

[ionic fern]

VoP

[ivory barn]

I have R1 of that

[hallow phoenix]

Keep VoP minor

Until cns r3

They're both close in dps

Especially since you have a BoM

[ivory barn]

That makes sense

What would you swap for M+ booming and lucid?

[ionic fern]

For m+
You definetly want to run Booming voice
VoP/Sphere/CnS/Aegis are all decent.

[ivory barn]

With cof still major?

How do you use it as a tank

[ionic fern]

VoP major preferably.

[ivory barn]

in M+, yeah. but with raids how do I use CoF. or is it still VoP...

see now yall confuse dme

[brittle owl]

cof is easy

use it on cd

there, that's 90% of the work

for 10% extra, space it out so you get full duration on the DoT

[ionic fern]

Jep, in raids use it roughly on CD - or atleast so you never sit on 2 stacks.
There is some min-maxing you can pull off with pandemic but that's not needed.

[serene jackal]

anyone know if Auto-Self Cauterizer removes bleeds such as Bursting M+ mechanic?

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280172/auto-self-cauterizer#comments

[brittle owl]

bursting isn't a bleed

its a magic dot

it removes grievous doe

[strong forum]

Or zerker bleed in KR

[vague badge]

I can't be bothered with PvP so no Conflict and Strife for me. What would be the minor choices for me then? Memory of lucid dreams and what else ?

[warm plinth]

Aegis I guess if you’re dead set against PvP. Sphere R1 is super easy to get but requires a tiny bit of PvP

[ionic fern]

Talking about m+ or raids now?

[warm plinth]

Assuming M+

[vague badge]

Or how fast could I get rank 1 of CoS with casual, non premade PvP

Talking about M+

Sorry for not adding that info

[ionic fern]

You only need 500 conquest for r1.

iirc

[warm plinth]

R1 C&S isn’t really worth it though

Sphere R1 is basically full effect just slightly lower uptime. And all you gotta do is like 2 BGs and a PvP island which is basically PvE anyway

[vague badge]

I don't mind casual PvP but I suck way to much for arena or rbg related stuff

That's why I don't want to premade PvP. The same reason why I can't be bothered to get Blood of the enemy for fury

[ionic fern]

I got BOTE by queing for random BG's.

But in general for m+
Aegis,Sphere,Lucid are decent in your situation.

[vague badge]

I thought i need to do a PvP island expedition

[ionic fern]

If need arises you can even run CoF minor.

[vague badge]

Alright thanks for the help !

[warm plinth]

PvP island expeditions are just PvE 99% of the time

No one really wins those by fighting enemy players. You just ignore the other team and pull big

[ionic fern]

Just get 2 guildies and rush it through.

[warm plinth]

Treat it just like a mythic island and you’ll win 99% of the time

[vague badge]

Since I just came back to bfa and haven't played really since WoD, guild isn't really an option 😔

[warm plinth]

This is coming from a very anti PvP person btw. I’m like honor level 8 and been playing since the end of vanilla lol

[ionic fern]

Guilt trip your WOD buddies who have definetly left the game by now back into it and do it with them.

[vague badge]

They are all on horde while I transfered to alliance. They can't be bothered with alliance 😃

[ionic fern]

Can't blame them.

😂

[vague badge]

Bruh, come and fight my dwarfish ass

[ionic fern]

bruh

[vague badge]

😍

Still working on that one

[strong forum]

You can get r2 cns from just 1k rating in arena

That's literally 11 games

[vague badge]

But I would need to win in PvP, don't I ?

[strong forum]

Arena yes

11 wins

[vague badge]

And that's a feat like solo mythic aszhara for me

[strong forum]

Mmh

Unluck

Pvp Islands are giga easy tho

[vague badge]

With my rogue, that shouldn't be a problem

[strong forum]

Easier than mythic

[vague badge]

But as warrior, I get fucked way to hard in PvP

[strong forum]

Eh depends on your healer

As warri you basically just train down your target

Never let your target breathe

[vague badge]

Seriously, just imagine a monkey with half of his brain missing and cloudy eyes

That's me

Arms or Fury though?

[strong forum]

Arms is generally the better pvp spec

Fury is if you literally just wanna pve in pvp

And be absolutely nothing but dmg

[vague badge]

That sounds like me

[warm plinth]

I literally did prot frost mage rdruid 3s to get CnS lul

[strong forum]

3 people dealing 0 dmg oof

Atleast get a melee that isn't hindered by getting trained

Like dk or dh

[vague badge]

I hate it that PvP related stuff is good in pve

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[blazing condor]

Im sure you got pve traits good in pvp also

Its a bit sucky but good that you get to do content you otherwise woudlnt

[ionic fern]

I mean..you could do that content regardless..it's just that people choose not to do it. 🤷

[brazen lion]

How good is having 1 bloodsport trait?

[ionic fern]

In general bloodsport is one of the more lackluster traits for prot warriors.

[inland thunder]

I currently play blood DJ, prot warr and brew monk but I'm starting a new job and so wont be able to dedicate enough time to playing all 3. Any recommendations as to what to focus on for raiding and M+. I know its early days just wondering.

[brittle owl]

maybe don't dj on the side if you're bad on time 👀

[ionic fern]

Unless you're doing wf content the question comes down to "What do i enjoy playing?"

They are all more than viable in doing all the content from mythic raiding to m+ just the playstyles are different.

[strong forum]

^

Some are easier to perform on

Than others, but perfectly possible

[tame garden]

I recommend focusing on 🐻

[brittle owl]

🙅‍♂️

[remote dawn]

is it good to go as prot warri full on versatility?

[tame garden]

Haste is bae

[ionic fern]

I'm not sure what you mean.
Stat wise you prioritize ilvl and whatever comes with the highest ilvl items is what stats you get.

If you have 2 items with the same ilvl but different stats then you should prioritize :
1)M+ = Haste=>Crit>vers/mastery
2)Raid = Haste>mast/vers>crit

[remote dawn]

i see Øono and he has all on versatility
socks and enchants

20% vers.

and for M+ yea

[strong forum]

Well that's oono

1 of many

[remote dawn]

xD

[ionic fern]

Not sure who that is.

[strong forum]

Just the current fotm tank of drjay

[tame garden]

EU prot war

[strong forum]

Nothing more nothing less

[remote dawn]

I do not understand why then? and why 3x DC if it is not the best?

[ionic fern]

Ah, so high m+.
No point comparing to what they do since:
1)You're (probably) not doing the same content
2)Chances are they are just testing something
3)They might not be aware of what's actually decent since high m+ people are usually fotm re-rollers due to the min-maxing (take for example people running Siphoning on warrior last MDI)
4)Maybe his highest ilvl gear just gave him a ton of vers and that's what he went with.

[tame garden]

I recommend asking oono himself

But ye prob to help survive the big hits in +25 fort

[remote dawn]

okay i understand 😄 thx so much

[ionic fern]

Also if in doubt remember to check more than just one person. :)
For example just out of curiosity i went to check some other top m+ warriors and they are gemming/enchanting haste and/or crit.

[strong forum]

Atleast nerfclap is finally playing atleast 1x MS

So he's learning

Although he's running DC instead of MS on shoulders, but he's getting there.
Hes still missing a ton of globals cuz of his bad UI

[zealous shell]

I saw that Øono was gemming for vers. Was definitely curious about that

[strong forum]

Higher scaling for trinkets

Mostly

And ignore pain

And the obv raw DR.

That's about all the reasons why you would ever do it

Since you don't use essences that scale with vers

[zealous shell]

He takes the lucid minor which scales off of vers

The healing part anyways

[strong forum]

Massive

From 15 to 16k

[tame garden]

Lmao

😂

[exotic spoke]

Lol

Week doesn’t feel too bad despite being tyrannical

[strong forum]

As a warri ye

Good week besides Void

For any other tank tho

Yike

[exotic spoke]

Shrine 20 last night. Almost timed it >.>. Good thing we have another shot tomorrow

[strong forum]

Really wanna play vdh, but not with necrotic bullshit... That hurts

[tame garden]

I haven't done any keys yet raided last night

Did you get a kr @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

Didnit post raid. And no - we didn’t get KR

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

Did second boss I. Shrine differently and it felt a lot better and easier

[tame garden]

Up against the ledge?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[tame garden]

Much easier for everyone else

All on the tank

[exotic spoke]

Was stressful doing it for the first time on a 20. But overall it felt really good

[strong forum]

With that the boss is very trivial

Just have to dodge sharknados

Alot

[tame garden]

Yup

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[tame garden]

We have 2x freehold, shrine, wcm, temple

Where were the freehold and wcm last week

[exotic spoke]

Skip those FH imo 😦

Otherwise the others feel doable

If you can do the sisters you’ll get through WM just fine

[strong forum]

Ye FH is big rip on void weeks

[tame garden]

Yeah feels bad

Temple sucks this week too

Not super happy with our keys besides the wcm

[exotic spoke]

At least this week is tyrannical void so they don’t have as much health

[warm plinth]

Why is FH rip on void week? You only have to kill two of them I think? If that

I don’t think emissary health changes based on tyr/fort

[exotic spoke]

Pretty sure they go ghash

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure you’re a panda so what do you know

[tame garden]

Hes got you there

[strong forum]

It's more the positioning, rather than HP

Inb4 you're more the positioning

[warm plinth]

Don’t try to anticipate me Nome

[strong forum]

😏

[exotic spoke]

Look. I’m tired of this speciesism exhibited here.

[warm plinth]

Lol

[strong forum]

Don't make me say it riki

[tame garden]

Void is but one aspect of why freehold sucks this week

[strong forum]

I swear to god I'm about to say it

[exotic spoke]

Do it Nome. You won’t

[strong forum]

Peepo > roo

[warm plinth]

What

[strong forum]

There i said it!

[tame garden]

Wow

[strong forum]

You happy now?

[exotic spoke]

OOF BANNED

[warm plinth]

Now you’re just talking out of your ass

[exotic spoke]

Nome is banned

Prot chat closed

[warm plinth]

Lol

[exotic spoke]

PROT CHAT CLOSED

ok prot chat reopened

[warm plinth]

I’m not banned though

[exotic spoke]

I’m glad everyone else listened

Except @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

I have a problem with authority

What rating are you at now Riki

[exotic spoke]

Also, looks like I’m going to Sargeras

2440

[warm plinth]

Sick

Sargeras is a pretty big realm isn’t it?

[exotic spoke]

We failed Shrine 20, but it feels timeAble. Identified a couple easy improvements and try again Thursday

[strong forum]

Man I can't change nickname... Wanted to do Nomeratwo implying I've been banned and created 2nd acc...

[exotic spoke]

And yeah

[strong forum]

Couldn't

[exotic spoke]

Lol nice try Nome ❤️

[warm plinth]

Yeah that’s how I felt about 19 shrine

🙃

[exotic spoke]

Last week or this week?

[warm plinth]

Last

We did 17 UR 18 FH and 19 Shrine iirc

Didn’t time the 19

[exotic spoke]

Fair

[tame garden]

Riki send me your shrine route

[exotic spoke]

Ok

When I get home

[strong forum]

Can't believe ghash is doing higher keys than me

[tame garden]

He plays dps

[warm plinth]

Gained like 2 points from the FH and Shrine each though...

Yeah I play DH Nome

[tame garden]

I miss being a dps

So much less pressure

[warm plinth]

Yeah it is

[strong forum]

I try so hard 😏

[warm plinth]

What a scrub

Tbf there was a brief period where I had a higher timed KR than Riki

[exotic spoke]

You probably still do?

We don’t do KR lol

[strong forum]

:hahaa:

I'm doing so many keys bro!

[exotic spoke]

I guarantee you have a higher KR than me ghash

That’s timed

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Wow big boy doing 10s. Proud of you Nome

[brittle owl]

smh not even 3 chest

trash

[smoky pendant]

So shitweek for m+ so i took up one of my old alts, I havent really tanked as a warrior before, can i hit you guys up with some real boomer questions?

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[brittle owl]

but it's a great week 🤔

[tame garden]

Fuck kr

[exotic spoke]

Honestly, not a bad week for prot warriors.

[warm plinth]

Only pull I hate this week as prot is the first one in FH

[brittle owl]

for any tank that's not bdk/veng

[exotic spoke]

But yeah @smoky pendant shoot

Yeah you both have a higher LR times than I do

[smoky pendant]

So, i havent found any guide that really goes into depth about shield block vs ignore pain

[warm plinth]

Eh veng is fine this week. No fort

[brittle owl]

because there is nothing to go in depth about

[smoky pendant]

Like whats the general mentality of when

[brittle owl]

ignore pain is a rage dump

[exotic spoke]

If it’s blocksble damage (the majority of the damage in dungeons is usually blockable) you want to Shield block

[brittle owl]

only situation where you would prio it vs SB is pure magic damage

which is only a handful of encounters, currently

[tame garden]

Shield block is your real mit

[brittle owl]

there is no real choice to make between the two

[tame garden]

Ignore pain is a bonus

[exotic spoke]

Shield block is your mitigation.
Ignore pain is damage smoothing

[smoky pendant]

alright

[warm plinth]

You’ll still have high uptime on both. But SB should always be prioritized

[tame garden]

Except vs rixxa and razdunk

[warm plinth]

You’re a raiding

Razdunk

[tame garden]

:^0

[warm plinth]

Wrekt

[sand egret]

Riki said it best, two different defensive functions

[smoky pendant]

alright, I get it now thanks!

[warm plinth]

You’re a different defensive function

[sand egret]

Why thanky ou

[signal plover]

Btw the icy veins guide has a very detailed section about both SB and IP in the rotation section

[tame garden]

You're a very detailed section

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[signal plover]

Thnx been hitting the section gym

[brittle owl]

you're all such boomers

i can't even

[tame garden]

Ok zoomer

[smoky pendant]

oh im gonna check that out

[sand egret]

I'm a bazoomer

[brittle owl]

ok boomer

[sand egret]

Mr. Boomer to you, sir

[smoky pendant]

My main is boomkin so the boomerjoke is actually a bit more fun for me

[sand egret]

hiss

[signal plover]

Ok boomer

[brittle owl]

k

thnx

BAI

[tame garden]

Druid mains rise up

🐻

[brittle owl]

no

[exotic spoke]

🗞

[sand egret]

:thiccbear:

[brittle owl]

gtfo

furry boomer

[exotic spoke]

Roopolice

[ionic fern]

What the heck is going on. 👀

[brittle owl]

boomers mwahi

boomers everywhere

[exotic spoke]

It degenerated quickly mwahi

[brittle owl]

you're a degenerate

[exotic spoke]

I’m not a DK. DKs are all degenerates

[ionic fern]

🗞️

[tame garden]

Mwahi they're bullying me

[strong forum]

Good.

[tame garden]

Refusing to accept my floof

😭

[brittle owl]

yikes

[sand egret]

Not everyone can see the Way

[exotic spoke]

I will show you de way

[tame garden]

De way of de bear

🐻

[exotic spoke]

🗞

[sick sentinel]

🧸

[exotic spoke]

Is there a tool, like MDT, that you can use while not in game for making routes?

[tame garden]

Rio displays routes in browser so the technology is there

But idk where you can do it

[ionic fern]

There's something like this

https://keystone.guru/try

But not sure how supported it is.

[exotic spoke]

I’ll check that out thanks mwahi

[brittle owl]

OR

you could use MS Paint

exercise that inner bob ross

[tame garden]

😂

Riki I expect the shrine route done in paint now

[brittle owl]

you are after all the master

of your route's disaster

[exotic spoke]

I’m at work and I’m worse than an amateur MSPaint user

[tame garden]

[analog swift]

I was looking for that website!

[sand egret]

I prefer each pull done in a PowerPoint slide

i expect that route done and on my desk by EOD, Riki

and don't get lazy with transitions, it's the soul of a PPT!

[exotic spoke]

Fuck PPT

[brittle owl]

powerpoint

dafuk

damn boomer

let me tell you about prezi

[sand egret]

is that one of those picture sharing things you do on your phone?

[brittle owl]

tfw you actually dunno about prezi kek

[sand egret]

prezikek?

[brittle owl]

https://prezi.com/

thank me later

[sand egret]

hmm

tbh the last time i made a presentation i built it in AR so that just seems like a backwards step

must be a boomer tool

[brittle owl]

i don't see how AR is an improvement in any way over reg presentations but ok 🤷‍♂️

argument can be made for architecture/civil engineering/medicine

but thas it

[tame garden]

Boomersong

[sand egret]

Perty much

(well, reg presentations are non-interactive so it's pretty far behind in terms of potential impact and user experience, especially in the given comparison where "spatial relationship" is a focal point of the above software)

[brittle owl]

considering the fact that 90% of presentations are dogshit when it comes to actually presenting stuff

yeah 😂

that's a human thing tho

[sand egret]

sure, but the nature of a given presentation is pretty one dimensional

including Prezi (which, yes i've heard of and used before)

it's pretty amazing the type of UX results you can get when you can leverage human idiosyncrasies

[vague badge]

I'm gone for 2 hours and this devolves into an argument about PPT and presentations? 😂

[brittle owl]

devolve is the wrong word

:V

[tame garden]

Agreed back to bear talk

🐻 👏

[vague badge]

Hands down, the best presentations are done on an overhead projector (don't know if that's the English name for it though )

[brittle owl]

wut

no fuck that

am done with school bro

[tame garden]

Lmfao

That's some boomer shit right there

[vague badge]

Those were the days

[sand egret]

oh man

yess

[vague badge]

Being blinded by them when writing shit onto it

[sand egret]

and you'd get that lefty teacher who'd fuck it up cuz their arm was always in the way

[vague badge]

And erasing shit with your hand since I'm a retarded leffy

So, any good way to get a semi useful shield and sword ? My 120 warrior still rocks the artifact since I wasted koroks revenge and every level weapon I received for Arms

[exotic spoke]

You can get a blacksmith to make a 370(?) and then just run dungeons

[brittle owl]

spam m+

tape a bowl to your ass, get an IV drip and go do dem leys

keys*

[exotic spoke]

I was tanking 12-14s with a 370ish shield a few months ago on my second warrior

[strong forum]

I was lucky enough so far to never run longer than 2 weeks with an inadequate shield

[vague badge]

I guess I should buy one from the AH since the artifact ist pretty low and block is tied to shields now ?!

[exotic spoke]

Yes it’s tied to armor which is tied to shield ilvl

[vague badge]

Meeeh, mkay. Time to raid the AH. I bet the first boss I will do after purchasing it, will drop something better

[sand egret]

could also kep and eye out for "weapons cache" emissary rewards, as a shield counts as a weapon for prot

[brittle owl]

it's also tied to block value

which is the important bit

[strong forum]

block value > everything

[brittle owl]

no

friendship>everything

block value is close second tho

[vague badge]

Question regarding artifact skins. Can I just mog the artifact shield skin and mog something different on the MH ?

[strong forum]

nop

cuz blizzard has pepega coding

[vague badge]

Dumb shits

There code concerning artifacts must be spaghetti I guess

Their *

[exotic spoke]

It’s probably because it’s “one item”

[vague badge]

I still think that a company as big as blizzard could change that if they wanted to

[strong forum]

in 9.0 we trust

[vague badge]

I just want the hidden appearance shield + thunderfury in 8.3

[strong forum]

oh yeah i have to start getting a good TF set

[vague badge]

I have to buy a token on my rogues server. That asshole character has both bindings but no gold and the mats are sooo fucking expensive on that server

[strong forum]

although itll prolly just be T2

[vague badge]

And my warrior won't get a single drop of it

[strong forum]

^:)

[vague badge]

My hatred rises

My rogue has both of it, but can't get the achievement for sulfuras and no money for TF

[strong forum]

KEK

guess i found my mog

[vague badge]

Same with the sunwell bow

[strong forum]

ive been running it all along

[vague badge]

I hate the specc restriction with all those legendaries

I just want the achievement

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[exotic spoke]

I’m going to be using TF with T3

It’ll be great

[strong forum]

T3

😦

sad

want

[exotic spoke]

Wait. I wonder if the glyph that selects a random weapon when you use an ability would select a two hander for me.

Then I could use hand of rag with t3 and a shield

[strong forum]

:Doubt:

[exotic spoke]

Maybe I should log into ptr to test when I get home

[pulsar niche]

Hey ! What healing are we supposed to do in +10 ?

[exotic spoke]

Not much

We don’t heal

[pulsar niche]

8k is ok?

ofc we don't heal but on overall

[exotic spoke]

It’s not a good metric to judge our performance on

[pulsar niche]

yes ofc but i want to know

[exotic spoke]

I don’t ever look at my hps

Because it’s mostly irrelevant

Further more, of you focus on HPS you may cause more problems than by ignoring it.

Using ignore pain (instead of blocking) May increase your HPS but it also increases your damage taken

Also, looking at HPS on a necrotic week is going to be worth even less than normal

[tame garden]

Rly dependa on your azerite traits and trinkets

Not worth looking at as a prot war

You mitigate damage not heal it

[next goblet]

I miss my retail prot warrior..

[tame garden]

Where did he go

[exotic spoke]

A 26 was timed. That’s sick

[exotic rapids]

Does Sphere of Suppressions minor only trigger if the attack is not blocked?

[strong forum]

blocking doesnt negate the dmg

you still get hit

it should count

[exotic rapids]

i was just in an underrot and the debuff was nearly never up on the mobs

that got me to wonder

[strong forum]

if theres a stronger slow applied, they dont get slowed by sphere

[oblique garnet]

^ also some mobs are immune to slows

[exotic rapids]

the mobs where not slowed sadly 😄

[strong forum]

you only care about the buff you get from it

not for the slow on the mobs

[exotic rapids]

with necrotic and raging it could be interesting

[strong forum]

TC itself slows them by 20%

raging and necrotic are mostly non affixes for warri

[tame garden]

The atk speed slow is relevant on necro

[strong forum]

atk speed slow is only major

[tame garden]

O

[strong forum]

and you dont run that 🙂

[tame garden]

I've never even gotten it rank 1

[strong forum]

neither have i

[tame garden]

Pvp island and epic bg ☹️

[strong forum]

pvp islands are free AF

if youre not braindead

i can solo win pvp islands

as tank

cuz chances are 99/100 that enemy does not have a max geared tank that knows what hes doing or any capable pvp player

[exotic spoke]

Pvp islands are great

[tame garden]

Hmm yeah I guess more often than not you'd queue into other people trying to get the essence as opposed to people who actually do pvp islands

[strong forum]

nobody "actually" does pvp islands

[tame garden]

I'm sure someone does

[strong forum]

and the majority of players are pepega

[tame garden]

Theres gotta be some people drawn to an instanced gank simulator

[exotic spoke]

Pvp islands are “who is the better pve player”

[strong forum]

wanna know what my enemies were last islands i did?
240k HP warri + 240k disc + 390k hp shadow
250k HP warlock + 240k HP pally + smth that died instantly

[oblique garnet]

pvp islands only need 2 for cap

[strong forum]

that too

[exotic spoke]

Truth

[strong forum]

like, i did my cap with VDH, 300 ilvl outlul, and resto sham

and we won by a 12k lead of azerite

both times

i just big pull and kill everything myself

[muted sapphire]

self reliance is probably worse than gemhide for prot warrior right?

[tame garden]

Self reliance is not great for tanks

[muted sapphire]

I figured just for some reason wanted to double check

[strong forum]

i mean....

it only heals you when youre not tanking

kinda counter productive isnt it

[exotic spoke]

@tame garden what are you doing tonight? Would you have a free moment or two?

[tame garden]

Usually alt keys and sales on wednesdays

So yes

[exotic spoke]

Aight. I need to make a guild I can transfer

And may need signatures

[tame garden]

Sure

[exotic spoke]

Thanks qtpie

[tame garden]

🐻

[exotic spoke]

I have 3-4 hours to come up with a good name

[warm plinth]

Riki Martin Club

[exotic spoke]

Not to be Confused With Rikki

Or:
Not Rikki

Is what I currently had

[warm plinth]

The Guild Formerly Known As Riki’s

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know how many people would get the Prince reference Boomer

[warm plinth]

I’m not even a boomer

[exotic spoke]

What’s the description under Rikki - the monkey pet?

[strong forum]

🐒 aaah 🐵 banana 🍌

Uh ah

[warm plinth]

I believe it says “I’m better than Riki the prot warrior”

[exotic spoke]

Rude

[warm plinth]

Bladesong Fan Club

[sand egret]

best name

[warm plinth]

“I transferred to Sargeras and all I got was this dumb guild”

[exotic spoke]

Rip

[sand egret]

Disciples of Trevor

strike fear into the hearts of your foes

[vague badge]

I did it boys, let's hope no shield drops in my first instance

[warm plinth]

Why would you hope that?

[vague badge]

Because that would sadden me

No drops for days

[hallow phoenix]

But...

Am I missing something

[tame garden]

[vague badge]

Obviously I want even better gear, it would just tilt the shit out of me

[warm plinth]

Speg why no guild name suggestions

[tame garden]

I am not a creative person

[sand egret]

because he's a Disciple of Trevor

[hallow phoenix]

Getting a new shield would tilt you?

[strong forum]

Just do m0

[sand egret]

and we only speak of the One True Form

[strong forum]

And get that free 400 shield

[hallow phoenix]

Benthic shields when

[warm plinth]

Never because why tf would we be able to get catch up gear for every slot

[hallow phoenix]

"block an additional 2% damage"

You know you want it

[exotic spoke]

It’s called BFI

[warm plinth]

Unstoppable Force now grants 100% bonus damage to Thunder Clap

[vague badge]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-nervous-gif-5249824

[warm plinth]

😏

[hallow phoenix]

Ghash stop

Too soon

[vague badge]

what do you mean with free shield for m0?

[warm plinth]

You can get 400 ilevel drops from m0

And like 5 dungeons drop a shield

[sand egret]

.35% chance to on block to instantly kill the attacker. .00005% chance on block to delete your character.

now we're talkin

[vague badge]

ah i thought i missed a quest or stuff

[hallow phoenix]

I'd use it

[exotic spoke]

Oof noty

[hallow phoenix]

There's character restoration

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[warm plinth]

My luck: character gets deleted first attack blocked

[exotic spoke]

Imagine if that was real and happened in MDI

[vague badge]

because my drop luck is soooo shit right now

[hallow phoenix]

Anton run with the right people

[exotic spoke]

Or on a WF race final boss

[hallow phoenix]

Pallies shamans warriors

They'd totally use that shield on wf races

.35% per hit to win the race

Anyways

[vague badge]

since i have like 0 experience and 0 of an active friend list, im tied to running with complete stranger 😄

[hallow phoenix]

Pallies shamans warriors all use shields so run with them

[warm plinth]

Even spamming heroic dungeons would get you a 370 I’m pretty sure

[tame garden]

😭

[warm plinth]

Just make a group and put in description that you want shield wearers

Don’t need to know people

[exotic spoke]

Anyone here have the RAF pet?

[hallow phoenix]

That would require friends riki

[exotic spoke]

That’s why I’m asking you guys

[warm plinth]

I have a pet Riki

[exotic spoke]

Wait.

That’s me isn’t it?

[warm plinth]

And by that I mean Riki is my pet

Yes

[exotic spoke]

:rooAww:

I think Rikki has a title / name / description under it.

And I want to see if I’m right and if I am right what it is

[warm plinth]

Riki’s House for the Especially Uneducated

[vague badge]

Yeah, probably need to do that

Doing Heroics didnt yield any good results yet

But im not really "spamming" it yet

[hallow phoenix]

What ilvl are you

[vague badge]

390

but thats just random gear without any good stats

[hallow phoenix]

Random gear is good

You're geared enough to smash m0s

[vague badge]

could be, but the last time i "tanked" was in cata

and even then i sucked

still trying to get comfortable as a tank

my overview about whats happening is still lacklustering

that's why im only trying heroics right now

i know, im a pleb

[tame garden]

That's ok most players are plebs

[exotic spoke]

You’re not wrong.

@warm plinth is a pleb

[hallow phoenix]

Gotta start somewhere

[vague badge]

true

[tame garden]

Smh didnt even lvl to 120 and spam heroic dungeons in bfa beta

Pleb

[vague badge]

im just so used to playing rogue, tanking feels soooo different

[strong forum]

I did :)

[tame garden]

It's good to get experience in all 3 roles

Gives you a more complete understanding of the dungeons

[vague badge]

most of the time im body pulling the whole instance since i dont see whats happening around me 😄

because i'm way to concentrated on surviving and using my rotation 😄 😄

[warm plinth]

Tfw your class only has 2 roles

[tame garden]

🐻 🐔 🐱 🌳

[vague badge]

okay boomer

what a good transmog day to be alive

[warm plinth]

Idk what that means

[hallow phoenix]

I just use thunderfury transmog

Toy

Thing

[exotic spoke]

Hello fellow warriors (and ghash)

[sand egret]

HI RIKI

[exotic spoke]

HI BLADE WHO CERTAINLY ISNT A BEAR

AND IS DEFINITEY A WOYER

[strong forum]

Hey what's up

Totally sober dude here :finger_guns:

[exotic spoke]

Good idea. I’ll grab a drink while still at the office

[strong forum]

I haven't been drunk in atleast 5 months and 6 years before that

It'd just fit there

[undone sun]

just put kahlua or baileys in your coffee, no one will notice @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

Um- no half measures sir

Jameson

Or bust

And if your manager is drinking with you it’s a lot easier to get away with it

[undone sun]

👌

[exotic spoke]

Still - no one has the Rikki pet from RAF?

[queen prism]

Anyone around that can answer some quick questions about 8.3?

[exotic spoke]

Hi fellow MDer

[queen prism]

Hey there!

[exotic spoke]

I can try but that’s a bit away and still theory

[queen prism]

I want to use my boost. I know warriors are in a good place now, but I want to push higher keys.

Any danger of them falling out of the current meta? I know there is always a chance.

Opinions and theory are all good by me. I know its all we got right now. I don't see any nerfs though?

[exotic spoke]

There’s always a chance, like you said.

Personally, given our dps and our strong mitigation I think we’ll still be in the meta

[queen prism]

Brewmasters still dominate progression ?

I don't see why everyone is going crazy over blood DK in 8.3. I can't seem to find any reason in the notes.

[exotic spoke]

Brewmasters are getting a nerf

More so for raid - but I think that’s a little overblown

[queen prism]

Thanks @exotic spoke Gonna just go for it.

[west galleon]

brew nerf is more for m+

they still gonna pump on raid

[queen prism]

Delli, any idea why people are saying Blood DKS are gonna be the shit in 8.3

?

[exotic spoke]

The comment about raid was regarding bdk

[west galleon]

o

[exotic spoke]

Bdk for raid ^

Is what people are saying and I think that’s overblown

[west galleon]

because there's lots of magic dmg in raid and lots of chance for mass grip @queen prism

[queen prism]

ah i see

Doesn't sound like warriors are gonna be going anywhere for m+

[exotic spoke]

I mean - you can say that about a lot of fights in EP too. And yeah - it’s fine

[west galleon]

you really can't

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic spoke]

I believe it was the brew discord going over this yesterday? But a lot of people predicting tank meta for raids have a horrible track record

[undone sun]

yup

[exotic spoke]

And they are discounting the standard physical damage the bosses do too

[queen prism]

Well, I boosted a warrior- screw it.

I've been wanting to play one for a while now.

[west galleon]

ur gonna be fine no matter what u choose

[exotic spoke]

Warriors are fun.

And also that ^^

[undone sun]

subjective 😠

[exotic spoke]

Thyme - Ilu but objectively pumping is fun

I dismiss your reality and substitute my own

Ps - come back pls

Need more woyers pushing m+

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/upC8sFTMgS36t8Sq6R8jRq Cyclo Blast OP....

added 200 dps

[tame garden]

warrior on necrotic

[wintry furnace]

Hurrah, A good Mechagon run that got me rank 2 of Vop \o/ I do have a question though. Would a 20Ilevel drop on a ring be worth 388 haste, And for the punch card, Haste crit, or haste mastery.

[limpid pawn]

haste crit

so for M+, what exactly do you guys use to sim?

5 boss cleave on raid bots?

i have 440 haste/mastery gloves with a socket .... or a 450 glove with vers/mast

[exotic spoke]

Nerdbot do you have inkpod and coral?

[limpid pawn]

i have inkpod and coral

[exotic spoke]

And no @wintry furnace dont drop 20 ilvls for the haste

[tame garden]

haste crit

[limpid pawn]

help me riki

you're a pro right

[exotic spoke]

Sure?

lol

[tame garden]

[limpid pawn]

what do you do for sims in terms of mythic +

[exotic spoke]

I dont sim M+

I go full defensive

[wintry furnace]

Okay. I Just wanted to be sure before I boguht enchants. It

[limpid pawn]

ok me too

im full defensive but i have 440 gloves with socket and 450 gloves with worse stats

[exotic spoke]

defensive wise I'd probably go 450 on gloves.

If you had those at 445 with a socket id have one with those

[wintry furnace]

It's a 415 430 stam, 388 haste, 97 mastery (And the Logic band effect, just damage) Replacing a 533 stam, 349 vers 171mas ring.

[limpid pawn]

yeah if its just 5 ilevel, i usually stay with the lower socket

but this is 10 ilevels

[wintry furnace]

So stick with the 435?

[exotic spoke]

Stick with the higher ilvl @wintry furnace

[wintry furnace]

👍

[exotic spoke]

And Brolikk I'd probbaly stick with the higher ilvl in this case

Ok - funny Guild names to go with Riki. Right now Im thinking:

Tiki Tavi
Not a Mongoose
Not Rikki

Any other suggestions?

[wintry furnace]

Rikki <Tiki Tock> ?

[limpid pawn]

not rikki

[exotic spoke]

Riki <Tiki Tavi> Riki <Not a Mongoose> Riki <Not Rikki> (Fuck you blizzard for taking my name)

[limpid pawn]

yo, how these warriors breaking 40k on sivara?

[exotic spoke]

fight length?

[limpid pawn]

you're right

2:40 for boost

[exotic spoke]

Probably taking BfI.

[wintry furnace]

Okay, last question, while Im sitting here looking at gear. I'm sitting at 19% With no Into the fray procs. Would the haste proc Puncharc be worth using over the dodge stack punchcard?

[exotic spoke]

and other things. Larger impact of heroism

[limpid pawn]

im close

[exotic spoke]

Yeah Taezilyn

[limpid pawn]

i have 36.9k

but my fight length is 3:32

[wintry furnace]

Hokay. My warrior is the first one I've been doing anything worth a damm. So Im still pretty new to all this. when it comes to actually looking at stats and getting them right.

[limpid pawn]

i've been switching around trinkets a decent amount, the cyclo seems to not perform as well as coral/inkpod for me

[wintry furnace]

I'm stuck with Punchard and the inscription trinket at the moment. I have not been lucky with trinkets.

[exotic spoke]

I sim at like 36 or 37k single target. Trying at 3 minutes sim

[limpid pawn]

for 5 minutes, I sim 38.5k dps

[exotic spoke]

I dont have benthic. Couldn't be bothered lol

[sand egret]

for 10 minutes I sim at 67k dps

:^)

[limpid pawn]

i have full benthic

[exotic spoke]

but important questions

guild name for the lols

[ivory barn]

would the set up I had ealier be bad for M+?

yeah actually nvm im dumb