Mdps that isnt rogue/warrior/dh/dk isnt mainstream
#protection
onyx vessel
ionic fern
onyx vessel
🤔
ionic fern
Jeah, meaning that Enhance is not mainstream
onyx vessel
Ret pally doesnt count
ionic fern
Which is what i want.
onyx vessel
Lol
ionic fern
😂
Plus i like peoples reactions at the end of dungeons when i out DPS their rogues/DH's
onyx vessel
When i do keys my overall is around 30-40
ionic fern
Think i've seen one rogue that has out DPS'ed me
onyx vessel
K dps
onyx vessel
F
ionic fern
Missing 1k residuum for random 450 shoulders.
warm plinth
I typically do high 30s-mid 40s depending on the week on mine
ionic fern
Jeah, atm i end up at like anywhere between 30-40k depending on how the tank pulls
I just want a folly and 450 shoulders.
ionic fern
Roughly jeah.
But boy oh boy am i tilted at pug tanks in m+.
They wait like 30s between EVERY PULL.
And then backpeddal into a pack that we just skipped while kiting.
ionic fern
Yesh
Kiting.
Surprisingly a lot of that going on.
Or stuff like this
On FH 2nd boss where i had threat of the other captain for most of the fight.
😂
wraith laurel
hey, I started playing classic back in early Oct. trying to recapture vanilla, after sadly picking druid tank as my main. i realized there is no place for them. so i came to retail and hear that prot warriors are the bst. anyone want a padawan? trying to learn your ways
ionic fern
That star wars reference makes me comfortable.
Go start with reading #268491842637660160 warrior section. There's a Icy Veins guide there that gives general information .
wraith laurel
i have been using icy veins and discord to make my war what it is, but it doesnt give me much in field practice. knowing my build doesnt help me learning optimal pull strats so im hitting 100% forces killed at the mob right before the boss, or knowing which packs to kill on diff affixes w/e
ionic fern
Are you using MDT?
wraith laurel
i dont think so?
ionic fern
Dungeon knowledge and pulls come with experience.
mental scarab
Soooo Zaqul is dead 🥳🥳🥳 301 pulls, how aids is ashara???
mental scarab
Fuck
wraith laurel
Ty, that sounds V helpful
ionic fern
You can also check the routes posted on raider.io @wraith laurel and import them instead .
https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route
wraith laurel
ah, my dude
mental scarab
Maybe im benched and they do monk and bdk 🥳
wraith laurel
ty
thats exactly what i was looking for
also if you have any weka auras you want to share, they are v new to me as well
i havent played since BC until classic came out
so that wasnt a thing b4
but i like it
ionic fern
Weakauras are really a personal preference.
Regarding what you want to track etc.
Also, check #ui-addons-manager first pinned message - click there for IP/SB trackers.
distant crystal
i tied for top dps in fh18 last night on spriest
and i forgot to use shadowcrash
like i talented it but forgot to put it back on my bars
strong forum
I do about 30-45k overall as tank
brittle owl
ok
strong forum
OK boomer
brittle owl
no u
brittle owl
😎 👉 👉
hallow phoenix
Happy Thanksgiving everyone (even you European bois and you snow mexicans)
hallow phoenix
Snow Mexican detected
ebon hound
What the tits is a snow mexican
undone sun
canadian
strong forum
Thanksgiving... That's a fake holiday
hollow bane
How to get >30k or 40k DPS done AS Tank? Giants pulls all time?
hallow phoenix
In m+?
strong forum
Good gear, big pulls
sweet summit
Do you ever 2nd pot trash pulls? Is that even worth?
strong forum
FH on fortified is the easiest dungeon to get big numbers
That's like 2-3 weeks back FH 16 with alts
hallow phoenix
I usually don't pot in combat unless it's a chain pull into other big stuff
Just depends really
strong forum
I only pot for bosses
strong forum
That helps ye
hollow bane
👌
mental scarab
Rotation ”slamming forehead on keyboard” 😛
ionic fern
This ain't no BM discord.
sick sentinel
Prot warrior hardest tank
winged grail
I thought it was Frost Mage... never managed to tank well as one
sharp rover
Hey guys, I've got a few questions
First, Never Surrender on dungeons like KR where you get trucked by unblockable damage. Is it better than Bolster?
Second, what trinkets offer the best damage in mythic+?
Third, how good is bloodthirsty urchin exactly? Can it be considered to be 10% damage mitigation?
sweet summit
Only instances where i would spec out of boster is high tyrra ML, last two bosses.
Rezan/Block/Recal/Vial(if used correctly) i believe. Maybe even fang if you can get away with channeling it.
Urchin is super good defensively, but it does not mitigate any damage. It heals you based on damage taken.
strong forum
Urchin is 10% midigation until reaching 36kdtps (depending on ilvl and vers)
lower on higher dmg intake
Take away from that what you will
Also lower on necrotic weeks
sage nimbus
i've just a quick question, when i play my war now i'm like rolling my head on my keyboard and spam everything but i would like to know if other war do the same before i used to keep my defensive and finally i was not using them a lot, now i use them a lot and when i look my shield uptime i loss a lot of % at the end. so how manage our CD and shield block ?
strong forum
Cd management is fairly simple
You can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again
So it's SB-SB-SB-LS-SB-SB
For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg
You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD
SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg
Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.
Don't empty your Rage bar before needing to use SB
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.
If you can't keep up SB or LS fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime, meaning how many times you took unblocked dmg when you could block it
sage nimbus
and we can see that in details or something to track them ?
strong forum
You could log it
And then see melee dmg blocked%
But I personally just go by feel and experience
Cuz if you're not dead and healer not spam healing your ass, you're doing atleast smth right
sage nimbus
ok thanks you for answers 🙂
hollow bane
Does shild Block Just have one Charge with 16s CD?🤔
ebon hound
2 charges with 16s cd
hollow bane
OK, Then tooltip ist wrong..thx
tame garden
You gain 2nd charge later if you're low lvl atm
sick sentinel
Yo I may be asked to fill in today for protection. Can anybody explain to me why most prot warriors go for Reckless flurry in protection instead of say Bastion of might
hallow phoenix
Probably not most wars doing that
Just us parse whores
You should run what icy veins says, most likely
hallow phoenix
Luckily bastion and BfI are really good for damage too
brittle owl
aside from DH and paladin, other tanks sacrifice next to 0 in order to maximize their dps 🤷♂️
hallow phoenix
Didn't know that actually
brittle owl
there isn't a gearing strategy outside of maybe an essence choice that will save you from mistakes or make you significantly tankier
left hatch
DH sacrifices a lot to maximize dps...
brittle owl
nah
left hatch
their gluttony build =/= SB build
brittle owl
it;s more like
they discard dps in order to be immortal
in EP it doesn't really matter with all the benthic stuff and UT
next patch it may not matter either tbh, still a lot of dps from outside sources
near ivy
"aside from half of the tanks in the game"........
brittle owl
1/3 of the tanks if you wanna be precise
near ivy
Warrior dh pala
brittle owl
warrior doesn't sacrifice much
near ivy
Misunderstood context
brittle owl
it's next to nothing tbh
near ivy
Have a nice day
left hatch
a trinket that doesn't let you block during the channel, and using 3ish of your traits to boost AA damage
its not game changing levels of sacrifice but its also non-negligable
brittle owl
nah
the only place you actually feel the BoM's is MT gorgo
but even then
it just enables you to not use an external
if you're not running BoM's just use a bark
but gorgo and zaq are excluded from allstars and also AoE fests, which is where you want BoM's, so it's irrelevant
strong forum
^
You gain more by playing full offensive than playing full defensive aswell
For prot atleast
(assuming you know what you're doing)
brittle owl
continuing this point
aside DH, maximizing dps regardless of your build on any tank means maximizing survival as well
left hatch
I'd say thats true of any class, you get more value out of pushing more dps while theres only so 'tanky' you can get before it becomes irrelevent to gain more
brittle owl
DH is the exception
where you intentionally gimp your dps in order to maximize self healing and FtD cdr
strong forum
Ye I noticed fairly quickly that by spamming dps I'd sometimes be unable to actually heal up as vdh
drowsy viper
what traits do y'all think is best for purely maximizing dps as prot
bastion of might?
warm plinth
For single target? Or AoE?
drowsy viper
aoe
brittle owl
3 BoM, 1 DC, 2 MS
limpid pawn
single target, it seems like reckless fury, brace for impact, overwhelming power, blightborne, and rezan's fury
these seem to be the top single target priorities
lusty wedge
Buying another monitor, gaming desk, and gaming chair for black friday, any suggestions?
main pike
Heyo, I know this is likely a shot in the dark, but I’m hoping maybe this is common and y’all could save me some time...
I played prot a little during BoD with some WA, no issues. Now this past week I tried again and in dungeons, I get like 15fps
Anyone else experience something similar? It might not be a WA but this only happens on my warrior so that’s why I figure it is.
sand egret
have you tried a simple A/B test yet?
main pike
What’s that?
sand egret
remove all addons and do a dungeon on your war
main pike
I have not. I yanked one on my DH no issues
sand egret
isolate that it’s in fact an addon related issue.
main pike
But I’ll try it with no addons on warrior just in case it’s an issue with game files or something.
sand egret
you may have a char-specific addon (only turns on for your war) giving you a mass amount of spam/errors
main pike
That’s probably it tbh.
sand egret
I’d start there and pray that’s the case
main pike
Wish me luck. I’ll try it later tonight.
sand egret
gl, hope you dont end up having to reinstall!
strong forum
Don't get a "gaming chair"
Get a proper chair
Gaming chairs are a fad that I have sadly fallen for, not like the chair is bad, but it's not amazing either
Anything that's 'gaming' is somewhat of a scam to get more money for less quality, not everything, but most is
warm plinth
I use a $130 walmart chair that's lasted like 3 years despite my fat ass being over the weight limit on it 😂
Gaming chairs were always kind of shady to me because I can't actually sit in it before I buy it. Imagine spending 300 bucks on a chair and it's like sitting on a cinder block
strong forum
There's defo some quality in it, sturdy and everything, but I feel like you could get like 100x more comfy proper chairs
Like actually comfy
warm plinth
As far as a desk, I use this bad boy. Mostly because I have two 27" monitors and couldn't afford an actual desk that would fit them 😂
strong forum
Oof
warm plinth
This is called gaming on a budget. You spend all the money on the machine, then skimp on the rest.
strong forum
This is my desk
warm plinth
Wow, that's awesome
strong forum
Ye over the past 5 years I gathered a ton of stuff for my setup
Now sitting at like 6-7k overall cost I think
warm plinth
I think if I had something like that, my girlfriend would have to have hers outside on the ground 😂
wouldn't be any room left for her lul
strong forum
I'm setup in the living room with a 2nd desk boarding mine, always room for a full 2nd setup :)
warm plinth
We use our 2nd bedroom as the computer room. So it's our two setups and then a bunch of sales stuff for my girlfriend's job. Pretty full in here already 😭
stark scroll
A lot of the gaming chairs have really good warranties compared to like office or 'executive' chairs. Mines only pu leather though so that always wears out long before the rest of the chair.
strong forum
Yea mines starting to crumble and turn cum beige
So thinking about getting a full on comfy chair
But those are Hella expensive
Like 1.5k-2k range
warm plinth
Why is it turning that color Nome 😏
stark scroll
Oof that's far too much
sick sentinel
mh 3 boss on motherloade is the debuff cast random becouse i cant spell reflect it sometimes :/
warm plinth
It's the 2 closest people to the boss
sick sentinel
ah thx 🙂
warm plinth
Tell your melee to back the fuck up
brittle owl
those types of chairs are underrated af
sand egret
good gaming chairs give ~500dps
prime sundial
Hello ! If you had to give 5 good advices to succeed on tanking what should it be on your mind ?
sand egret
when i pug m+ i exclusively ask for pics of their chair
#1 is know whatever you’re tanking
#2 dont be afraid to die
#3 be patient
#4 stay calm
#5 practice your rotation/buttons so you can think about literally anything else while tanking.
prime sundial
Ok thx
inland silo
Having a good ui with important stuff close to the middle of your screen goes a long way
Also helps with #5
strong forum
#7 don't trust your healer
prime sundial
Lol thx ^^
sand egret
(i will say holy shit havoc + furious gaze is STUPID fun)
strong forum
Ye i was same at first when I started gearing my dh
sand egret
feels like im playing the game with a game genie
sand egret
yeeep
strong forum
The animations, the speed, the impact of every single button
It's an arms warri but better in every single aspect
sand egret
it has some nuance but honestly im ok with its simplicity
its like the bear tank of dps specs imho
and i mean that in a non-meme way
sand egret
haha
strong forum
Then 8.2 came and haven't really picked it up again
sand egret
currently debating my 8.3 direction, going between my war/dh/druid. I think I may do some lightweight raiding as a dps but Im conflicted
strong forum
But I did tank a 14 with 370 ilvl! And we timed it! So that was fun
strong forum
Ye end of bod
sand egret
nice nice!
yeah im doing some fun under-ilvl key pushing on my DH lol. My warrior just doesnt take damage so he’s kinda just the same
strong forum
sand egret
haha them traits doe
strong forum
massive powerhouse
sand egret
haha love it
strong forum
Vdh is Hella fun and quite strong so I can recommend that
modern brook
Hahahaha
sand egret
yeah im having a blast withbit
modern brook
I'm thankful for nom's sense of humor
tame garden
🐻
strong forum
I'm missing the aoe stun I'm used to on warri
Or any stun ever
But ye the rest is quite gucchi
sand egret
yeah i use sigil of d for that
modern brook
Sigil of D
sand egret
(actually forgot the name)
strong forum
😏
sand egret
the 20 second stun one
sand egret
no
modern brook
Sigil of derror
strong forum
Ah you mean fear
sand egret
im an idiot
modern brook
Sigil of disery
strong forum
Well that doesn't work on undeads
So that's meh
For AD
That's mainly why I miss stuns
Shieldbearers
strong forum
BTW what specifically do you mean bull
sand egret
i can set up fun pulls tho
strong forum
My name on druid?
sand egret
and leaping is vunderbar
strong forum
But your hitbox is just a charge
modern brook
And nim sometimes
strong forum
Ah
sand egret
hmm seems to function the same as warriors leap for me
strong forum
😏
sand egret
ahh
sand egret
thats actually a funny interaction since you can get over ground effects
strong forum
Some of em ye
sand egret
but those orbs be like NAW i guess
sand egret
it’s prob just some funkiness with those orbs
strong forum
But warri can just straight up leap over em, so that's a fat no
brittle owl
sad, basically
sand egret
well, i think it’s specifically tied to the animation of Infernal Leap
brittle owl
nah, nome's right, it's essentially a charge, it's just badly coded
strong forum
Felrush but leap
sand egret
i.e they render your demon form in the leap and dont render but keep your actual body attached to its transform but at an offset. So in this case your actual “body” hits it on those orbs
just a pitfall of a typical animation trick
brisk ferry
wait what, I leap over them every time on my DH
unless it just so happens my leap pathing isn't crossing any orbs?
brisk ferry
I've run that damn dungeon like 12 times this week for trinket
maybe I am just incredibly lucky
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯ wastin that luck instead of gettin the trinket!
sand egret
🐢
brisk ferry
got all tanks up to ~440 now, but it sure is fun flying through medium keys on DH with shit healers
we did a WCM with the worst resto druid I've ever seen
finished dungeon 44k overall healing
brisk ferry
still dont feel the need to run VoP+Glut yet, but we just blast through like 12s easy enough
if any of my group decides they want to run higher I might end up with VoP+Glut, but for now SpB is fun
sand egret
also i cant stop thinking your pfp is a green guy with a robotnik style stache with an open mouth
brisk ferry
LOL, well I was always monk and I usually had htis transmogged hat
but when it's tiny, it is abstract
sand egret
😧 < this face
brisk ferry
that's hilarious
sand egret
actually cant unsee it
brisk ferry
😄
warm plinth
Yeah our tank usually doesn't go VoP+glut til like the 19 mark on fortified, and even then it's mostly for specific dungeons so we can do bigger pulls. Like the first pull in FH and shit like that.
sweet summit
omg blade.... i cant unsee that now...
brisk ferry
I'm excited to swap to VoP+Glut, just to have 1 less button on my bars
and also I am tired of CoF
warm plinth
😬
Idk, I haven't played vengeance much this expansion (I main VDH) but I thought it was slow enough already.
I feel like the turtle build would be boring as hell
brisk ferry
oh forgot Glut gets rid of SpB derp lol
brisk ferry
yeah you're right, it will certainly be boring
I just don't want to run CoF on most of my dudes
warm plinth
Fair. I don't play anything that uses CoF (in keys anyway) so I haven't had to really deal with it. Well, unless I wanna go full zappy on my rdruid or something lol
brisk ferry
I don't raid but I've played my monk most of this expac, and I have hated on every loot* system so far. I still do hate azerite gear and essences
oh also @sand egret forgot to mention that my DH also uses my profile picture helmet lol
sand egret
🙂
CoF is wonderful as the spec’s go-to essence when its your alt
fuck getting all that other shit again
brisk ferry
yeah it was nice nice when working on alts, since it required less effort for major
my DK literally has no minor other than anima
just cant do it a 4th time
I was really hoping for account-wide essences in 8.3 but not looking good
tame garden
Nope just reduced requirements
warm plinth
If it does happen, it'll be in like 8.3.2, though I imagine we'd see further reduced requirements rather than actual account-wide essences
They seem really against that for some reason
sand egret
yeah, at least anima is just from keys, which is way better than like CnS (unless you’re a pvp’er than vice versa)
tame garden
Ion hates us
brisk ferry
let's hope that with reduced requirements comes reduces oscillators for example on Null, cause I don't want to do that again
sand egret
i bet they’ll do it in the pre-patch to shadowlands imho
brisk ferry
probably right, bummer
warm plinth
Eh, oscillators aren't even the time investment anymore
sand egret
last patch they’ll just give everyone all the toys like they do every expansion since they dont have to worry about future-proofing shit
warm plinth
You can craft them super easy now. It's the crates that take time, and even that isn't that bad if you just find a group and farm Junkwatt for like 4 hours
That's assuming we don't use the Heart for something and burn it out a la Legion artifacts though too Blade
sand egret
we prob will
brisk ferry
hmm maybe I'll try to do that again, though with xmog legendaries, I've been spending my down time farming thunderfury for my DH 🙂
warm plinth
To get oscillators you basically just kill rares/open chests for ignitercoils, then craft them back and forth
sand egret
i got that already, which not gonna lie is a HUGE reason i dusted off my dh and not my war
dw thunderfury has been a dream of mine for like 10+ years
brisk ferry
oh dang, I actually had no idea how to get TF
brisk ferry
been playing BDK for like 10 years, didnt look at anything lol
sand egret
farm MC
brisk ferry
yeh MC
sand egret
pray for both drops, the rest is simple
warm plinth
Ah
brisk ferry
so my plan is to do MC on all my sword-using characters every week til one gets a half piece
you need both halfs on same character right?
so go til u get 1, then farm weekly on that 1
sand egret
im one glaive away on my DH too...
brisk ferry
oh nice!
sand egret
yes you have to actually equip the sword
sand egret
i like how they’re NPC sized
brisk ferry
lol no kidding
sand egret
since they look normal in meta
brisk ferry
good point
sand egret
which is 90% why i play a DH. for meta
brisk ferry
designed for the VoP+Glut build
sand egret
well last i played hdh was in legion with Momentum....so this demonic shit is fucking wonderful
momentum on star augur
kill me now
warm plinth
I'm bummed that Vision r4 does nothing for meta though. Not that I use it anyway for havoc but it's stupid that it does nothing
brisk ferry
oh really?
sand egret
oh really? that blows
warm plinth
Yeah, it doesn't make it look any different unfortunately.
sand egret
i should prob try and get that on my druid at some point....
sand egret
yeah the Hertz Locker
lilac bough
Engineering helm is any good for prot warrs (mythic plus content)
wheat talon
@lilac bough do you raid enough to upgrade your focus? The azerite traits on the goggles are really good, but you have to raid to get it to high ilvl
lilac bough
@wheat talon not really, i dont raid at all on the prot warr.
wheat talon
then it's gonna be stuck at normal raid ilvl, and you'll be able to get 15 or 30ilvl higher head pieces from titan residuum
lilac bough
i see, makes sense, thanks man, appreciate it
wheat talon
disclaimer: this is based on 8.2. We know that 8.3 will have a void focus as an equivalent to the abyssal focus, but we don't know if they will add some way to upgrade it without raiding, or something like that
lilac bough
now, just to make sure, i could upgrade it to 445 if i have enough expulsom, correct? That can be done w/o riading
lilac bough
ahh crap, correct, i forgot about that
ivory barn
You have to complete the certain raid quest to upgrade it, if it is just like this patch
I really hope I tank next tier for my guild, right now I'm a destro lock
chilly brook
@lilac bough to be fair though you can easily pug clear heroic in one night
lilac bough
yeah guild does alt heroic nights every week i can jump in. I was trying to avoid having to tho 😛
chilly brook
It’s really not that much of a chore tbh
upper kindle
would you guys take a second callous reprisal or blightborne infusion for mythic plus
chilly brook
Heroic is ezpz unless of course your guild is pepega
tame garden
Blightborne easily
lilac bough
Yeah youre right, ill start this week
chilly brook
Despite all of BFAs flaws, the raid experience has been really good
wheat talon
I was not a big fan of CoS, but the rest have been pretty great
BoD might be my favorite raid that I've been active for
ivory barn
I want the M warrior set out of BoD
tame garden
I wasnt a big fan of uldir
wheat talon
the M plate from BoD is gorgeous
tame garden
Last boss was weird and zul trash was soul crushing in pugs
wheat talon
I liked g'huun, but I was playing a demon hunter and I could cheese the mechanic
tame garden
Zul turned out to be a dumb fight too
undone sun
You're no bear
lusty wedge
Bear looking good? That’s a first
tame garden
Just memes
War will likely be back on top or tied with monk depending how impactful the nerfs will be
lusty wedge
Curious for it, I pushed heavy in keys with blood DK.. wanting to go warrior soon for pushing
What nerfs?
tame garden
Monk nerfs
Nerfs to their stagger, stamina, and a bug fix to their self healing
I do think bear will be good
Their dispel will be nice for the new affix
Depending on the rest of the comp
lusty wedge
What about the gluttony build people are talking about VDH
warm plinth
Still gonna do shit damage compared to the other build, which is really the issue with the build.
wheat talon
and it's honestly not that strong defensively either
warm plinth
That being said, my normal tank is a VDH and we do fine.
Er, it definitely is. He's fuckin immortal when he runs that build haha
wheat talon
VDH with meta up still has significantly less armor than prot has baseline
the self healing is strong
I just switched from vdh to prot, and everyone always said I was immortal as a VDH, but I'm honestly stunned at how much tougher my warrior is
warm plinth
Well in the general sense, yeah, warrior is tougher. And you don't have to run a build that makes you worthless offensively to do it.
wheat talon
bastion of might being the best offensive trait and also a REALLY good defensive trait is kinda silly
tame garden
Yeah they should nerf prot warrior
shut summit
Can SR some of the shit the new affix mobs do too, did like 700k per reflect + increased enemy dmg taken by 100% for awhile
Obv the dmg seemed a bit much but ye
warm plinth
@tame garden That would make me upset but I love your new pfp
tame garden
Happy holidays
lusty wedge
You too @tame garden
sand egret
pretty sure the baseline armor is actually the same or pretty close...biggest difference is that warriors get block on top of that armor, which is stupid strong in its own right.
analog zinc
sand egret
its basically:
- bear forms base armor but more hp
- they get DS to give them ~2x IF’s worth of armor + the parry boost
-
- a scaling self-heal that is rotational
distant crystal
you're rotational
sand egret
i try
sharp rover
@sweet summit @strong forum Thanks for the answers. I don't have any of those DPS trinkets, but I do have a 430 Jes Howler, 440 strength on-use pvp trinket, and a 445 inkpod. I've been using inkpod because I assumed damage dealing trinkets would outperform raw stats, would one of the others be better?
distant crystal
inkpod should slap p good
it's not ideal in multitarget situations but it's so OP that it's still dec
chilly brook
@wheat talon I have a vdh in the high 430s inside of meta you’re never gonna die and with gluttony/VoP you’re extremely tanky since you can completely ignore using spikes during meta
We also have a DH that tanks whenever we need him to and he literally can laugh at Mythic orgozoa’s melees when in meta
wheat talon
I mean, I have a 442 vdh, who has 15k armor with DS and 17k with meta, and a 435 prot warrior with 14k armor baseline, my only point was that I was really really surprised at how much tankier I felt on my warrior, even when he was undergeared, compared to the DH. Admittedly, I very rarely specced gluttony because damage is fun
sharp rover
Prot warriors are dummy thicc vs blockable damage
I'm pretty sure prot warrior could tank mythic org without sting stacks with impunity
wheat talon
yeah, for some reason at first I thought blocks did a flat amount of reduction, and when I learned how they actually work I was blown away
wheat talon
I thought it was a flat # reduction
wheat talon
like, I thought it was 5k damage off of every hit or something like that
wheat talon
now it's way better than that
sharp rover
I think it's a little overtuned currently
wheat talon
...it might be overtuned
wheat talon
I mean, I take a lot less than the blood dk I tank with
distant crystal
it's overtuned af in freehold tho
strong forum
They are amazing vs physical dmg yes, but fall short vs magic
analog swift
I mean don’t they? Outside of brm monk
distant crystal
there's a lot of magic dmg in raid currently
analog swift
Which is the fairest compromise imo
strong forum
Bdk just is weak in general
analog swift
Yeah
sand egret
block is stupid strong mechanically, as long as it exists after mit
strong forum
Warri is physical midigation god yes, but ehrps are on par with other tanks
On a raid level
analog swift
Due to magic damage
wheat talon
I felt pretty comparable to him on the DH, but on the warrior I feel like a god in comparsion
sand egret
magic damage/bleeds are designed to put tanks in check
strong forum
^
warm plinth
That doesn't necessarily mean warriors are overtuned. DKs are frankly just in a bad place right now.
distant crystal
laughs in deathstrike
warm plinth
Blizz overdid it with the last round of nerfs on them
analog swift
Yeah just think that should be stated, when someone says “block isn’t overpowered because they take lots of unblockable damage”
analog swift
Yeah they shouldn’t have been nerfed
distant crystal
buff rogue
analog swift
*dk that is
distant crystal
dk needed a nerf
wheat talon
honestly, we should be thankful to brewmasters from taking the spotlight off of us right now
distant crystal
but they went a lil overboard
analog swift
I think the double ring on azerite traits was enough tbh
oblique garnet
Nuke dks
strong forum
Eh, if warri was OP they'd have nerfed defensive side of things in 8.2
analog swift
Cuz their traits are god awful
strong forum
But they only nerfed the truly OP thing
oblique garnet
they buffed warriors vanguard passive 3 times before 8.1
analog swift
But I think the other changes to be able to block ranged attacks and stuff was enough to balance them out
distant crystal
i was playing protwarr in s1 😮
strong forum
Same
distant crystal
clappin cheeks
wheat talon
I'm jealous
analog swift
Keep in mind people were only doing like 13s in season 1
strong forum
I did 17s
oblique garnet
untrue
strong forum
In s1 what do you mean
oblique garnet
in early s1? sure 13s
strong forum
People did 20s
analog swift
Ok 17s we’re higher end. People are doing like 5-8 key levels higher now
oblique garnet
^
strong forum
With bdks
analog swift
13s was an over exaggeration
strong forum
I guess
grand drum
im pretty sure 20's were being done s1
strong forum
I get what you mean
sharp rover
What does ehrps stand for?
oblique garnet
iirc highest was like 23 or 22 in s1
strong forum
But 23s were done by bdks cuz they were ridiculously Borken
analog swift
We’re just doing much higher keys now with much higher damage. I think with warriors block being changed it would have been much closer
distant crystal
hmm
strong forum
Ehrps external healing required per second
analog swift
And that was what? TD I assume
strong forum
Freehold
analog swift
Ah
wheat talon
critical blocks work like a parry once you go over 50% block damage, right?
analog swift
Yeah
sharp rover
So you want your ehrps to be as low as possible?
strong forum
Then it depends on your mastery how strong said crit block is
analog swift
I mean think of all the buffs war got in .2
distant crystal
lower is better with ehrps ye
strong forum
Warri was nerfed in 8.2
oblique garnet
People knew about smeld
wheat talon
right, but my block damage is 53%, so a crit block would be 106%, right? so it's just the whole attack?
analog swift
And shield block reduction
warm plinth
The most you can block is 85% @wheat talon
wheat talon
oh lame
strong forum
lame
sharp rover
lame
warm plinth
Yeah taking 15% of an attack sucks man. 
distant crystal
bring back CTC imo
warm plinth
tbh if we couldn't we'd be super weak in some dungeons
strong forum
shoot
oblique garnet
Throw Wrench
strong forum
If we couldn't block t
sharp rover
Also, I feel like prot warrior was buffed in 8.2 with VoP
warm plinth
TD, ML, KR
distant crystal
if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball
strong forum
Everybody got buffed with essences..
sharp rover
Also, had a look at some Org parses and prot warrior's ehrp was quite a bit lower than the other tanks
strong forum
The only reason why monk can compete in m+ is hot trub
oblique garnet
The nerf warrior got this season was completely fine
sharp rover
But maybe they spent less time on boss?
oblique garnet
The damage loss is w/e with essences
strong forum
If monk didnt have hot trub they wouldn't be #1 right now cuz they lack dmg otherwise
distant crystal
between reaping and huge claps
oblique garnet
sharp rover
Reaping?
oblique garnet
S3
sharp rover
20k DPS boomkin
tame garden
20k hmm
strong forum
Its an obv boost for gold
oblique garnet
its all i do these days 😦
sharp rover
Good on the Mistweaver though
strong forum
On a 10
oblique garnet
was a 15
strong forum
Ah
sharp rover
16k DPS is pretty big dick for MW isn't it
distant crystal
19.2K rounds to 0
strong forum
Big
tame garden
No it's not lol
strong forum
16k is pretty average for a healer
tame garden
Sub 20k is not big dick atm
strong forum
Especially if he plays crane
But ye, warri isn't that broken, if vdh vop/glut had more dmg it would be better than warri
It's strong yes
But not broken
God I wish I could play spb + gluttony/vop
I would reroll in a heartbeat
sand egret
warrior, against a specific type of damage, is pretty busted. Good thing this game doesnt always have that type of damage and varies it
strong forum
( I wouldn't but it would be giga)
distant crystal
legendary ring when?!?
strong forum
That'd be nice
sand egret
also factor in that a “drawback” for warriors is largely negated by another player, similar to monks, so we dont experience it
distant crystal
there's so many rows on so many specs
that would be amazing if you could grab 2 talents
strong forum
Warriors drawback is the same as disc
If you are bad YOU ARE REALLY BAD
There's no inbetween
sand egret
warriors have no self-sustain, the only tank in fact
which largely doesnt matter in most contexts
as healers exist
sand egret
tbh, I would not be surprised if in 9.0:
-Stagger get changes to its cadence
-Block gets tuned down...OR
- Other tanks get access to Block-lite
sand egret
unpopular doesnt have much to do with it imho
wheat talon
I feel like popularity has a fairly big effect on nerfs
sand egret
you’d think that, they jsut happen to correlate well
strong forum
On top of being bugged
So monk gets nerfed
Warri had huge spotlight cuz of dps in s2
So It got brought in line
oblique garnet
monk bug fix was the larger change in m+
strong forum
Yup
wheat talon
how much hps was the bug giving?
strong forum
I'm assuming it's twice as much
As it should be
And it's still there
Monk pulling 45k overall hps is about 15k too much I reckon
Even 30k is nuts
oblique garnet
90k hps is real normal on raid packs aswell
strong forum
I assume after the fix it'll half their self healing
On top of losing edict + urchin
Monk will suffer some serious dmg in terms of m+ survivability
sand egret
still will have unqiue tools and insane damage smoothin
oblique garnet
Doubt monk will even beat warrior next season in m+
oblique garnet
Beguiling carries monks alot in m+
strong forum
Ye
sand egret
as long as majority of shit is blockable, most likely not
strong forum
And edict+urchin + weapon
sand egret
but thats just a statement on block
sharp rover
Which weapon?
sand egret
monk inherently will be busted in terms of survival until they change damage cadence
sharp rover
Also, doesn't losing Urchin hurt pretty much every tank equally?
sand egret
Shiver Venom
tame garden
The lance
strong forum
No stones, cuz it plays perfectly into stagger
Urchin feeds off of dmg taken by stagger, resulting in healing permanently
sand egret
calling it now: they will change monks stagger to scale negatively when in high stagger
in 9.0
strong forum
Urchin only heals when you take dmg, stagger makes it so you permanently take trickling dmg, resulting in urchin healing said stagger constantly, almost creating a feedback loop
sand egret
this whole no credit limit shit has got to go
sharp rover
How would you have it scale negatively?
sand egret
you increase cadence
sand egret
short the time
sharp rover
And would that kill monks in progression?
sand egret
no, it would mean they need to purify more actively
strong forum
It would promote purifying more often
sand egret
which in turn gives more value to IBF presses
strong forum
Monks only midigate dmg if they purify the gained stagger
sand egret
yep
strong forum
The broken thing about stagger is, they don't take a shitton of dmg as spike, they turn it into a dot, which is more easily healed.
They can then reduce the dots dmg after the fact.
sand egret
giving your healers 5x the gcds to respond to a damage event is insane
tame garden
Muck fonks
sand egret
Speg knows
wicked dagger
their self healing is getting nerfed in 8.3
wheat talon
I might have played bm instead of prot if I wanted to play ww at all. I like having fun dps options and ww isn't that right now.
warm plinth
You’re a fun DPS option
wheat talon
...thanks?
sand egret
woah rood Ghash
sand egret
you’re the least interesting tank
strong forum
Right now my interest is vdh > prot > bdk > guardian > pally >>>>>havoc>>>>>monk
undone sun
👀
sand egret
im like kinda all even...with pally just not even considered...which is a shame cuz ret seems fun
strong forum
I'm talking pure tank
sand egret
i generally would prefer to tank as most dps specs, tbh
since they dont compensate for “tank” mechanics
strong forum
Na vdh is fun
sand egret
(aka press one of two buttons)
strong forum
Try playing demo warlock :hahaa:
sand egret
impossible
strong forum
That's alot more than 1 of 2 buttons, you feel like you're doing a fuck ton
Then check dmg meter
sand egret
that class has access to big dick chaos bolts
strong forum
Barely above tank..
sand egret
0% chance id pick demo
sand egret
honestly ive seen both specs pump
strong forum
Destro does nothing outside of CDs
Literally 0
Destro works in m+ if you pulls insanely around its CDs
Demo has dps all the time
sand egret
guess im watching some gods ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand egret
I see Sjele pump on both specs pretty consistently
granted he’s really good in general, but even outside his cd windows he’s still putting up
sharp rover
What are the BiS shoulders?
sharp rover
W a o w
strong forum
Same as for arms
sharp rover
I hail Mary rolled Ashvane like two weeks ago, and I just rolled Kraken now
sharp rover
Unstable flames for the third row?
Earthlink looks like it sims poorly and I was told to avoid armour traits so I'm not sure about carapce
wheat talon
I was stunned at how big a difference it made to have 3x bastion of might
sharp rover
In the unlikely event that I have to raid tank, should I keep a second set of azerite gear with BFI?
strong forum
No bom + Ms is bis in all situations
Get a helmet with bom + dc and you're set
For everything
strong forum
Ye you're set
sharp rover
So I just lucksacked myself into practically full BiS
lilac bough
forgive my ignorance, what is MS?
sharp rover
Meticulous Scheming
strong forum
Meticulous scheming
lilac bough
thanks
sharp rover
this too
wheat talon
hey I actually have a question about meticulous scheming, does it trigger from ignore pain and shield block? I noticed that it didn't trigger like 20% of the time on a couple of keys I ran earlier
wheat talon
but if it's not triggering then something else that always triggers might be better 😦
although, I mean, I guess it'll always trigger on harder keys, it's only on lower keys that I'll stop using shield slam for more than 8s
sharp rover
It'd imagine it does trigger on IP and SB
Maybe not if you cast them twice in a row?
It says three different spells after all
So TC -> SB -> IP would do it, but Devastate -> Devastate -> SB would not
tame garden
Pretty impossible not to trigger it
It's a sizable window of not pressing 3 different things
sharp rover
I'm assuming that it's not like the QC mechanic where if you press something twice in a row you get locked out
sand egret
no, if you’re doing your actual rotation, you should trigger it naturally
tame garden
Just gotta press 3 different buttons within the window, sequence doesnt matter
faint mural
wheat talon
@tame garden that's what I thought too, which is why I was surprised when details said 20% of them didn't proc
it's possible that I only used thunder clap and revenge on my main rotation for 8s, but I definitely also used shield block or ignore pain at least once in that time
I'm gonna log my runs later tonight and find out for sure
dim timber
What would i rather use 420ilvl gleaming eye, or 415ilvl jes' howler as trinkets
tame garden
420 gleam it
dim timber
i do also have Subroutine overclock as well in my second slot that also gives me haste buffs
but ty
tame garden
Haste is great
dim timber
yeah thank you
vernal rain
I am noticing that top prot warriors run 2 to 3 deafening crashes. Is that for the additional dps? Also, where can i find info on maximizing my dps as prot. All i m finding is info on survivability. I m particularly interested in trinkets.
fast kraken
Hello friends
430 Servant Splitter vs 430 crit low mastery high weapon
which one do u wear
i want to maximize my dps btw
warm plinth
@fast kraken the splitter for single target DPS. The other for anything else
fast kraken
so in mythic+ wear my normie weapon?
warm plinth
Yeah
fast kraken
okie dokie
lusty wedge
Two monitors now. Woo.
ivory barn
aye gratz
undone sun
👏
tame garden
sick sentinel
ä
sullen valve
Gratz my dude
ivory barn
If my desk was cleaner I'd show mine. its got x3 27' monitors 🙂
warm plinth
How tf do you even fit 3 lol
Mine is a 6' folding table and it barely fits two of them D:
warm plinth
I ain't rich
undone sun
🤣
i have a desk similar to the one in the picture just above
glass top, L shape
could fit at 3 regular sized monitors
warm plinth
What's a "regular sized" monitor?
warm plinth
Can you even see anything on a 20" monitor?
undone sun
but my main monitor is a 21inch and it could fit bigger
warm plinth
Thyme is playing in the dark ages. Send help
warm plinth
He needs a monitor for Christmas; someone start a gofundme
undone sun
i need more than just a monitor tbh
warm plinth
I feel that.
undone sun
my second monitor is a 43in TV
warm plinth
😄
undone sun
yuuup
warm plinth
Hey if it makes you feel any better, before I got what I'm using now (gtx 1070), I was using two gtx 660s lol
tame garden
Hmm maybe I'll cash in on some black Friday action
warm plinth
I can't afford another fuckin video card though. My 1070 was $149 when I bought it. Same card now is like $400
undone sun
yeah, no problems with it
warm plinth
They better have lasted a while; they were $250 each, and that was 50% off lol (think it was around the time that 3D monitors were still not really mainstream yet)
undone sun
lol
tame garden
Looks like I built my pc in 2014
Probably time for some upgrades lol
Time sure flies
stark scroll
The trick to fitting loads of monitors is a multi monitor stand. Mine used to hang off my tiny old desk loads, but it did the job. I could never go back to 1 monitor though...
livid flax
Hey guys, gearing for m+ how strong is Blood Rite? Ill have Bastion x2, Iron fortress x2, crash x1 and then im trying to decide between Blood Rite or Bloodsport
distant crystal
smh
just gambled another chest
got the one that Moonshae was just asking about
warm plinth
😄
distant crystal
warm plinth
Could be worse
distant crystal
bfi bloodrite it is
sullen valve
To shield block during last stand (with bolster) for extra dammy or not?
tame garden
Depends if you'll miss those blocks or not
ionic fern
If you don't need the SB for after when Bolster runs out or you are capped at 2x SB charges already then purely for damage sure.
Wait, wtf @sullen valve
ionic fern
Don't bully your elders.
sullen valve
I was testing you
brittle owl
and the test was failed
sullen valve
