I typically use rezan + edict or inkpod. Don't have a mythic urchin, but I don't really feel like its entirely necessary.
#protection
potent anvil
left hatch
narrow trellis
is the barnacle any good for damage?
tawdry prawn
Is Arcane hear ever worth using as a prot war?
tawdry prawn
Ya
The stat bonus for every 1.5 mil damage or healing thingy
Arcane heart * sorry lol
hallow phoenix
It's not good
tawdry prawn
So like never worth it? Does it give a noticeable dps bonus or nah?
hallow phoenix
I'm pretty sure any other trait gives more dps
You can always sim
Bloodmallet has it so very near the bottom
There's always a better trait
hard cipher
azure quail
mental scarab
Yeas
But i have tried using 2-3 BS on tuff magic fights but i did not notic any diff then using normal traits so i use them instead
Just lost alot of dps
🙂
vapid hazel
How does block, critical block, parry, dodge chance stack? Is there some kind of hit table (used to play during wotlk). Or are they independent now?
mental scarab
If your dying to magic then healers need to use cds and maybe a def trinket like the one from Zaq
Icy veins have that info @vapid hazel
vapid hazel
do you happen to know where? I must have overlooked it somewhere
hallow phoenix
Hit table is still the same to my understanding
Misses, parries, dodges, blocks (which can roll for crit block)
In that order. Don't quote me though
blazing condor
whats the proper way to play with edicts?
like when should you use the trinket etc¨
gaunt dawn
put it on
and its done
leave it on phys
its pretty rare you swap to magic as the value of it comes from stacking the absorb
blazing condor
yeah i can understand that
and there's no dungeon/boss where magic is more valuable to resist?
blazing condor
tru
sick sentinel
Just skip zul
everything from KR is dodgeable
magic wise
Only dungeon I'd say you would is tyran ML last two bosses
other than that, put it on physical
oblique garnet
@gaunt dawn The problem with switching edicts to magic on zul is that its just not long enough fight to be worth the reset on it even on a high key
toxic gyro
On hi gh keys if u don’t swap to magic ure dead and zul doesn’t do enough physical dog to even brake stacked physical shield
sweet kettle
When you kill the explosives this week do you get victory rush?
signal plover
Yes
potent anvil
Is that true? I dont get them as fury. I'll have to check again 
oblique garnet
no you dont get
honest frigate
I don’t even play anymore but 100% not worth so switch magic for edicts on Zul. Prot warrior can live on fortified keys Zul just for majority, use taunt swaps if available, and as a last resort kite
tame garden
Yeah if unstacked edicts shield is the difference between you living and dieing then probably safer to just kite him
signal plover
I'm almost positive that I've gotten VR off explosives before but it's been awhile since I've done an exp week
Oh well
strong forum
You would prior to s3 @signal plover
undone sun
it was a thing in the past, but a recent major patch messed it up
signal plover
hasn't done an exp week in s3....that would explain it
strong forum
That's why I said what I said :)
tame garden
exotic spoke
Sup
tame garden
I am sad riki
exotic spoke
Why are you a sad Riki? I thought you’re Speg
tame garden
I am sad riki because we wiped 0.6% on za'qul last night
exotic spoke
Oof that would make me a sad Riki
exotic spoke
😦
tame garden
fossil nimbus
tame garden
On an unrelated note, any 7/8+ horde na guilds hypothetically looking for a boomy
Slide into my dms 🙂
exotic spoke
Hypothetically
oblique garnet
Have you tried wowprogress i heard they have this great section about guilds that are recruiting and it also lets you filter the class 
tame garden
Yeah I was just joking riki did the same thing in bear discord when he was looking for a tank
exotic spoke
lol
tame garden
Hypothetically looking for a tank*
exotic spoke
Hypothetically that may have happened
analog swift
Yay killed zaqul last night
tame garden
Gz
exotic spoke
Grats theseus
modern brook
Gz
mystic whale
kek
sweet kettle
Yikes
exotic spoke
See... I don’t miss that. Got CE once and it was last week of the tier.
Still gotta figure out what I’m doing next tier
analog swift
how's the M+ going riki?
exotic spoke
Only 1-3 a week. Schedules aren’t working out right now
I need to get to 2400 minimum. Some decent weeks coming up though. Only need 110 points or so
chilly brook
@exotic spoke what do you think of the loot changes for m+ next season?
exotic spoke
Not enough. Mythic raiding is still a requirement to push high keys imo
Add one more tier st like 17 or 18 for mythic -5 ilvls and I think you’re golden
Primarily because of stat (total) differences from Ilvl, then the fact you can kinda target things from raid with bonus rolls, and lastly the weapons.
chilly brook
I just don’t see a point in them not allowing a Mythic level gear alternative
So that’s kinda my takeaway as well
warm plinth
Might see a nerf on the weapon; people in Acherus were saying he BDK weapon got changed to be 1000% HP instead of 100%
exotic spoke
You get it from the weekly chest Griff
The issue is that you can’t have it be spammable
daring marlin
At least the dungeon will gives +5 over heroic at 15 next season
chilly brook
Cuz you can currently get Mythic level equivalent from dungeons rn with TF forcing
daring marlin
fishing for TF is omega
exotic spoke
That’s not enough though guilford. Because you can get mythic level loot now with WF / TFs
exotic spoke
Just doing them casually even. It’s easy to get heroic + 5
People are still going to be fishing for corruption
warm plinth
I think an interesting way to do it might be to make it so corrupted items that drop from +15s are also 10 ilevels higher.
exotic spoke
And you’re right guildford. I didn’t either. But you need the gear to push keys once you start getting higher key levels
I saw something in Archerus. Someone did the math and there’s like 1640 different versions of loot now
warm plinth
Or, you know, just let the gear scale a little higher
exotic spoke
For each piece once corruption is added in
daring marlin
Can't do that
chilly brook
I mean the easiest and most balanced way to handle the gear would be a currency system 🙃
daring marlin
then the people that despise M+ and think mythic raid should be the only rewarding content because they can't be fucked to listen for X kick next or watching out for pats or the like will bitch and moan.
chilly brook
Those people are brain dead
Their argument typically revolves around “Mythic raid is hardest content reeee” ignoring that keys often are actually harder
exotic spoke
Fuck them. It’s a different way of progressing your character.
daring marlin
I agree.
exotic spoke
I’m fine with mythic -5 for another higher tier
daring marlin
Unfortunately, for some reason, it seems like Blizzard listens to retards like that.
chilly brook
Because method bruh 😜
warm plinth
Blizz is just playing that parent that's trying to be their kid's friend right now, instead of swatting the dumb one on the ass and laying down the law.
exotic spoke
Because then it can be self contained and that’s minor
warm plinth
Can't please everyone, yet they keep trying
exotic spoke
But now I’ll pretty much have to find another mythic guild. One that can clear at least 50%
chilly brook
I wanna play my DK rn actually
exotic spoke
Because remember - most of the mythic gear used in progression usually comes from about the first 1/2-2/3s the raid not the end
chilly brook
But I feel like it’ll negatively impact my readiness for this interview later today
Not if they do the ilvl increase at the end of the raid like they’re suggesting @exotic spoke
warm plinth
You still wouldn't use that gear for progression though, because it's at the end of the raid :p
chilly brook
I figured he meant key prog
warm plinth
Oh, maybe
chilly brook
Cuz like it doesn’t make sense otherwise cuz the nature of raid would by definition of prog require that the gear would come from not the end of it 🙃
sand egret
All i wanna know is.....what do you get out of a +13
sand egret
what ilvl
exotic spoke
460 I think?
tame garden
Who knows
chilly brook
Blizz hinted at making the second half of the raid have a higher ilvl with the last boss having the highest ilvl like some of the older raids now that TF is gone @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
And griff what I mean is that most of the gear mythic raiders use to clear the end of the raid / what’s considered desirable is in the front half
Fuck that noise
sand egret
the fact that they phrase it as "up to" is confusing
since it's only +5 ilvls over a 5 key level gradient
exotic spoke
Nope. I think it’s a hard and fast line
sand egret
In Battle for Azeroth Season 4, the maximum stats on rewards from Mythic Keystone dungeons will be increasing, with item level continuing to improve up through Mythic 15. Completing a Mythic 15 dungeon in Season 4 will award item level 475 gear in the weekly chest (this is equal to Mythic raid quality), and the maximum end-of-run reward will be iLvl 465.
exotic spoke
Heroic at 10-14 and the heroic +5 at 15
sand egret
that's what i'm thinkin
exotic spoke
That would be fucking stupid
sand egret
so really there's a low-key nerf to +10s
tame garden
Why
warm plinth
Why would that be stupid?
tame garden
We saw a similar system in legion
warm plinth
Having 5 key levels without increased rewards would be stupid lol
sand egret
muahahha fades into bushes
exotic spoke
Imo, because there isn’t enough of a gradient available at this point to diffietentiate it
tame garden
I like the idea of letting us bonus roll the weekly cache
For a shot at a second mythic piece every week
wooden radish
@ionic fern which shadowlands soulbind is bis for prot warrior? i'll hang up and listen.
chilly brook
I think that would be an agreeable change @tame garden
exotic spoke
10s would have to be closer to normal then. 450 maybe? Normal +5?
tame garden
Yes
warm plinth
That's my thinking
chilly brook
Please tell me that soulbind question is a meme
tame garden
It depends if they are doing another difficulty scaling or not
wooden radish
if you have to ask, you clearly don't know my role here 🙂
exotic spoke
And wasn’t the change just so they do mythic rewards from M+ 15 at some point - or close to mythic
chilly brook
You are correct I don’t know your role here
tame garden
His role is to troll mwahi
chilly brook
I dislike cats in general 🙃
wooden radish
ya, im @ionic fern's cat
exotic spoke
His role is to be the lovable talking cat to pester Mwahi
sand egret
learned to ping it's owner in discord and it's been over since
chilly brook
Ewok 🙃
wooden radish
i have a dog too. :Lincolndog:
chilly brook
He looks like one tbh
exotic spoke
Have a pic?
chilly brook
Yea
exotic spoke
I like seeing dog pics
chilly brook
Here’s a puppy pic
exotic spoke
You done goofed
Brb making a new discord account named Ewok with that as the pfp
Also - cute dog
❤️ or at least I will when I get home
chilly brook
This is him now
exotic spoke
That said, I guess we’ll wait and see. I still think top level m+ will require mythic raiding now - more so than it currently does
chilly brook
It definitely will this tier with the weapons imo
Yay for “Mythic raiders” trying to be gate keepers for ilvl amirite?
tame garden
It's funny cuz most high end raiders get CE then quit or sell carry runs til the next tier
So I dont get why they care about other peoples ilvl
warm plinth
I'm just wondering when we're gonna see the dungeon scaling changes
Can't imagine we won't have increased scaling. Otherwise it is a little crazy to have 465 gear from current 15s
Or at least the typical 30% increase to base mythic
chilly brook
@tame garden because the truth is it isn’t the actual high end raiders that care it’s the ones that do the ez puggable bosses but feel like they should be special because they’re “Mythic raiders”
tame garden
That makes sense
chilly brook
Like tbh it’s nice to get gear from Mythic raiding but if I was just after the gear I would do m+ it’s far more efficient time wise all I really care about in regards to raid is killing the boss
ionic fern
Don't bully my cat. 
chilly brook
Cats are gross
modern brook
chilly brook
Anyone see the DK covenant abilities?
Seems kinda cut and dry tbh
Like if you’re a tank you’re probably only going to want the first two and I’m leaning towards the first actually as it’s a 10% DR for 10 seconds every 45 seconds
There’s a link btw if you’re wondering what I’m talking about
warm plinth
Idk that 3rd one seems cool too. Lots of RP gained
The last one seems kind of odd, since why would I need to grip something that's closest to me already 🤔 Though looks like it'd be the highest DPS on ST probably
chilly brook
Yea but why would I go with RP gain when it doesn’t do anything else for me really except for allow me to DS a little more, when I could go with something that gives me a DR and a strength buff kinda like a mini Demoralizing Shout
Granted I’m no DK main so RP gen could be more worth
sand egret
Ghash, read that last one again lol
it's if the enemy is farther than 5 yards
it's an auto-gripper
it most likely is a two-part built spell, not two linked spells. I think it's more: 1) Does X damage to your closest nearby enemies every 2 seconds. 2) If your "closest" target isn't within 5 yards, it'll grip it.
warm plinth
I mean, more DSes on a big pack would be awesome.
I read it correctly. Just seems like an odd effect to me
chilly brook
I think it becomes a effective time thing
warm plinth
Especially if you looked at it like you bonestorm for some big healing and drain your RP, then use that immediately after and still get some juicy DSes
sand egret
well, the effect kinda saves your grip cd(s), so I actually think it's pretty neat (you can also game it if it works like that)
chilly brook
Bonestorm omegalul
strong forum
I only care for gear hence why I quit mythic raiding this tier cuz im pretty much capped and its not fun.
Hearing that m+ change is amazing news that doesn't force me to go deep into raiding and not be literally 15ilvl behind
Especially now that tf is gone
chilly brook
WTB legion blood DK tbh
sand egret
one weekly shot at mythic level gear just sucks, imho
warm plinth
What’s funny about Bonestorm?
strong forum
So I can just comfy do my ez heroic and early mythic
sand egret
(as a person who doesn't/can't mythic raid)
warm plinth
That’s what you use in M+ isn’t it?
chilly brook
Isn’t bonestorm uber bad now?
warm plinth
No?
chilly brook
I thought it took a severe hit
strong forum
Only being 10ilvl behind by spammable dungeons and inevitably being full 475 from early bosses and weekly is enough for me
chilly brook
Like I said I’m no blood DK
tame garden
Cuz it was giga op
sand egret
it's just not Immortal for the duration lol
strong forum
You still kind of are
sand egret
which was it's previous incarnation
chilly brook
You gotta take a lot of damage for you to die with that kinda healing
warm plinth
Yeah you’re immortal, just not DH during Meta immortal
strong forum
Not beyond omega
sand egret
granted yeah 15% per second is still up there
chilly brook
Oh no imagine
strong forum
Its not dh meta immortal but its damn close to it, and only 45sec CD
chilly brook
Bonestorm pulls with the new tier weapon 🙃
warm plinth
But yeah having all that extra RP especially if it doesn’t cap to a low mob count would be sick for big packs
warm plinth
They nerfed the bdk weapon someone said in Acherus earlier
chilly brook
Back to the top
strong forum
Top dps as tank in every dungeon
warm plinth
It’s 1000% health now instead of 100%
strong forum
That's a nerf
sand egret
if those are the numbers
strong forum
Giga nerf
warm plinth
It’s a huge nerf.
chilly brook
Nerf
strong forum
It's a 10 times nerf
tame garden
10x fewer procs
chilly brook
Have to take 10x the damage to trigger
warm plinth
You have to heal 10 health bars to proc instead of 1
strong forum
^
strong forum
....
sand egret
the threshold
chilly brook
Lmao
strong forum
Yu stoopid
sand egret
not the multiplier
tame garden
Correct
warm plinth
Yeah the amount required to proc lol
sand egret
it's 1000% of ARMOR (which isn't changing)
warm plinth
Right
strong forum
The multiplier is 1000%, the required dmg to be taking is 1000% instead of 100%
warm plinth
At least, it hasn’t yet
sand egret
the way you phrased it made it seem like they swapped the armor part for hp
strong forum
Hopefully
sand egret
i was like bitches please, that's 8million damage payload
strong forum
Na you just stoopid 🙃
warm plinth
But I think the 1k health thing is a little crippling
chilly brook
To be fair though the bear weapon looks good too
sand egret
which one
strong forum
Well ghash
warm plinth
Lot less opportunity for it to proc when it’ll be useful
chilly brook
The heals on auto attack one
warm plinth
Not saying it was okay as is but might have gone too far
sand egret
ah that's the meh one
strong forum
In your average m+ key you take multiple times you hp bar as dmg
Per pack
Bdk takes FUCK TON of dmg
chilly brook
I think 10x is a bit much
strong forum
With that change you can proc it once or twice per pack
On high keys
Instead of every second
sand egret
is it pre or post-mit?
strong forum
It's every 10 seconds ( exaggerated)
warm plinth
It’s amount healed so it’d be post
strong forum
Like breh, as warri I have on big pulls 50k hps.
warm plinth
I imagine overheating doesn’t count
sand egret
ohh it's not taken, but actually self-healing it
chilly brook
I thought it was damage taken not damage healed
warm plinth
Yeah
sand egret
that's also a change
warm plinth
Oh is it?
sand egret
it was taken, at least before
warm plinth
I might be wrong then
chilly brook
strong forum
In big pulls where dks pull 100k+ hps with Bonestorm, you'll proc it atleast once
Which is often enough
Cuz it's massive
warm plinth
I just hope the agi weapon gets buffed. Seems lackluster compared to the tank weapons
strong forum
I'm hoping the sword is gonna be fun
warm plinth
The 1h that is
warm plinth
They do. There’s a fist weapon
warm plinth
Yeah.
chilly brook
The sword? @sand egret
sand egret
the fist weapon*
strong forum
'only'
warm plinth
I mean, compare that to 1k% of your armor or 5% of your max HP as a tank
It's really nothing in comparison
strong forum
Well that's because bdk is the most scuffed right now
chilly brook
Depends
chilly brook
If it’s hitting for up to 160k that’s a lot tbh
strong forum
It is
sand egret
5 ppm + haste, which as a havoc at least, is a fuck ton.
strong forum
Bdk will have 12k armor with boneshield
I'm not talking havoc but sure
Only care about vdh
Havoc can die in a ditch
sand egret
then it's proc is around a shear's worth of damage
warm plinth
It's not hitting for 160k
warm plinth
How would it even hit for that if it's 30% of AP?
sand egret
prob closer to 30-40k
sand egret
negatory
strong forum
Well I am
warm plinth
No, Blade said the fist weapon
strong forum
Maybe 120k in a minute
warm plinth
Like my AP right now is 9,137. It's not going up to 120,000 in 8.3
So idk how it's proccing 40k
sand egret
yeah looking at the coeff, it's around 160k per min
warm plinth
If it is that much, then I'm not worried. But then wowhead's tooltip is wrong (which isn't exactly abnormal)
sand egret
taking your AP, your DBites hit for what, 3-3.5k?
warm plinth
Average hit is 7.6k through a Temple
sand egret
so this should hit around the same (proc is shadow damage, so it should hit the same as this higher but physical hit)
in combat doing your edgy flippy, dh things, what's your average haste %?
strong forum
Like 20-30
sand egret
assuming you're running those traits, prob stupid high
warm plinth
Hell if I know. 17ish base, gets up to 85% with Furious Gaze
strong forum
Ah... Havoc
warm plinth
Not counting other procs
sand egret
yeah so even 100% is achieveable
warm plinth
Yeah
sand egret
for numbers sake, let's say 100%. That puts the procs at ~10 per min. So in your current gear that's ~80k per min.
warm plinth
But that would only be if I actually had 100% haste for the entire minute, which I don't
warm plinth
Sure, not by much though. FG doesn't scale well because it's like Bastion; has a massive amount of haste on the effect so it doesn't go up much with ilevel
I mean it scales well because it's haste, but you know what I mean. The number on the trait doesn't actually go up that much between tiers
sand egret
it'll be 1143 at 475 per trait
sick sentinel
Is the "Callous Reprisal" trait even good?
warm plinth
It's probably tied for most meh trait, but it's not worthless
warm plinth
Yep. That being said, some of the generic traits would be better than it
chilly brook
CR is on the lower end but not bad in the grand scheme of things
sick sentinel
What about Bloodsport?
warm plinth
That's the one it's tied with
chilly brook
Same boat
warm plinth
😉
sick sentinel
ok thx
chilly brook
Man I love going to the barber
warm plinth
Whew, resto druid High Noon trait got cut by a third 😮
warm plinth
Not like it's gonna make them non-meta lul
warm plinth
Sunfire is actually pretty massive because you hit every mob with 1 GCD
chilly brook
I see
tame garden
The damage per gcd is crazy
warm plinth
That being said, cat is pretty substantial as well
Like I think it's 4+ targets you basically sunfire then go into swipe spam in cat
chilly brook
I was really just thinking in single target
warm plinth
Yeah, in ST cat damage would play more of a part
Since you have shreds, rake, and rip into the mix
And FB
exotic spoke
Fuck today
warm plinth
What happened?
exotic spoke
People being idiots at work
grim nymph
Can I intervene powder shot from eudora?
I know I can safeguard, but does intervene cause it to hit me?
warm plinth
It should, yes.
Never tested it but it's a ranged attack so I don't see why it wouldn't
strong forum
yes you can intervene it
and you then take entire hit, your intervened target gets hit for 0
analog swift
just be wary of being in a funky position and getting hit from behind
quiet crane
Or you can just LoS powder and not be hit :/
sick sentinel
WHOA
rancid flicker
should excess rage just be dumped into ignore pain?
quiet crane
Or if it’s not needed revenge for dmg
azure sapphire
Does VoP avatar proc give you the 20 rage, mastery and ignore pain from the az trait?
distant crystal
you get a small IP
and small mastery
it's kinda funky in that it's like 1/3 of the duration and 1/3 of the effect
on the mastery
IP is normal duration but 1/3 effect
idk about rage
analog zinc
wait the mastery is nerfed?
that's dumb
prot pally gains full mastery from their wings buff
plus when you cast wings you get a guaranteed crit hotp
you also get a guaranteed crit when vision procs
distant crystal
yeah it seems like a bug to me
should be full mastery for the short duration of avatar but
they've had forever and a day to fix it if it was a bug
warm plinth
It's not a bug; they said it wasn't.
distant crystal
injustica
lean arch
how many arcane stacks do you swap at on mythic?
ivory barn
x2 430 haste/vers rings or a 440 crit/haste +s & 415 crit/haste +s?
undone sun
Skipped the ilevels of the first two
ivory barn
they are 430's no S
lilac hawk
3xBoM, 2xMS (metasomething schemingish) and 1x brace for impact. Thats good for m?
M+
2x OP aswell
tight tree
meticulous scheming afaik
hallow phoenix
Those traits are fine but a DC would be better
DC is huge
Drop any one of those traits for one
Also I got my 445 urchin tonight finally 🤗
hallow phoenix
5x BoM 1x DC
grizzled glen
what stat weights for keys do you guys recommend? Crit/Haste?
cyan needle
How do you guys manage your rotation? Do you use an addon? Or just know wich button to press at the right time from experience?
strong forum
It's a relatively simple priority system
Rest is experience when to use rage for what and how much to not spend immediately
dark crane
what kinda builds are you guys using for m+
ebon hound
Meticulous Scheming
sick sentinel
Ok thanks
dark crane
is mean for like traits
strong forum
3x bom 1x dc 2x whatever you can get is the usual, MS is only on 2 very specific pieces
That's the general idea what you want
sick sentinel
Hum okay why don't stack DC ?
ebon hound
Only the damage component stacks, so stacking the trait has no defensive value.
undone sun
not as good after the nerf
ebon hound
^ other traits tends to offer more offensive value as well
sick sentinel
Ok thanks all
crimson quarry
What food for M+ will I get most value from ?
sweet summit
feast/haste
eternal trellis
Is the dream to get 3 deafening crash and 3 bastion of mights for M+ pushing guys?
eternal trellis
I saw that, but then looking at the warriors with high keys
some of those are running 3
exotic spoke
People at high ratings / the cutting edge content often do things for very specific / unique reasons that may not be applicable to the general population
It is better to get two MS instead
eternal trellis
Gotcha, just wondered why they are doing it. I guess for max output damage wise
spice ferry
Just because they’re doing high m+ doesn’t mean they are correct in gearing themselves either
Or that combo could be the best they’ve attained
modern brook
Maybe they just wanted to clap u kno?
strong forum
Cuz it's simple
That's about it
Base Mythic Dungeons Scaling Increased to 45% to Season 4 on 8.3 PTR
Get ready to get your ass handed to yourself in mechagon 🙃
Shits gonna HURT
10s will be like current 14s
15s like 19s
20s like 24s
🙃 oof
sweet summit
O O F
warm plinth
Nome
I'm personally looking forward to that plant on 2nd to last boss just melting people's faces like the Nazi in Raiders
shut summit
sweet summit
sense please
warm plinth
sweet summit
modern brook
is back bby
languid smelt
I just looted Edicts of the Faithless (Heroic) last night. I think that I am in love with the Magic Absorb. I was the linked tank last night for Za'qul and it made life very easy for me. Any other boss fights/M+ encounters that this thing shines on so I can be prepared?
strong forum
Azshara
Is about the only place to use it as magic absorb
And ML 3rd and 4th boss
Everywhere else run physical
languid smelt
Thanks
exotic spoke
Who is your other tank on Zaqul?
languid smelt
We started with a BM and then he switched to Guardian to help on healing (himself). We were short a main healer last night.
exotic spoke
I’d have probably swapped and had you Mt and the guardian be the linked tank after he swapped
Purely because of how link works
languid smelt
We discussed it but we just rocked on.
exotic spoke
It transfers melee damage only now if I recall correctly. So the stagger is fine - that doesn’t transfer.
Prot has better mitigation so that means less damage to the tanks for the healers to worry about
languid smelt
Tanknotes says 70% Physical to Tank and 70% Shadow damage to the linked tank. I was using IP, Spell Reflect and my Trinket absorb.
exotic spoke
Pretty sure that’s old. They changed how link works several times since release
languid smelt
And he is 14 ilvls higher than me on his Guardian
strong forum
The dmg you get from tether is magical
exotic spoke
You still have better mitigation
And he is slightly better suited to deal with the magic damage
strong forum
The dmg it transfers from MT is physical turns it into magical on the receiving end
languid smelt
Oh ok. I will look into that. Thanks
strong forum
But on HC zaq it matters little to none tbh
languid smelt
Most of us are just coming back together since March so we still have people gearing. Once we get AOTC we will probably hit a few Mythic Bosses before 8.3 drops. I am sure we will have a gameplan worked out for MZaq. Thanks for the info.
exotic spoke
It’s a minor optimization. More important to do the rest of the right correctly
But if your healers are struggling it’s something to consider
sand egret
@strong forum word on the street is that mechagon is not scaled the same as the other dungeons
still will feel KR-ey, but at least it's not on the same scaling vectors as say the normie dungeons
fleet axle
I will have to tang orgozoa mythic tonight, so when I swap it to me I just need to keep my blocking up all time (2*SB + LS) until I get enough debuff stacks right ?
and I shouldn't even need to use ignore pain, only to be safe maybe
hallow phoenix
You always want to be blocking regardless of stacks
Mythic orgo hurts. When I start the fight i last stand + shield wall when i go in
Just to ensure I dont get gibbed
hallow phoenix
I use it for the extra health really
I dont run out of blocks on that fight at all
so its not a big deal to me
fleet axle
ok so LS + 2 SB
then it's probably time to swap
yeah make sense the start is the hardest so could totally use that extra health like you say
hallow phoenix
shield block is fine too. The biggest thing is to not waste shield block charges when she's casting or doing dribbling
opening with SW + block would be more than enough
fleet axle
huuumm SW won't be up on every swap
hallow phoenix
correct
signal plover
I wouldn't start with SW unless u do a couple pulls and it feels necessary
It's kind of a unique fight with the debuff the way it is
exotic spoke
Last stand and avatar(assuming BoM) is enough. It’s just used because it guarantees it’s up for first hit and not worrying about rage etc. you can do it without LS though and just SB
strong forum
I open with Last stand + avatar + demo
That will keep you immortal until avatar fades aka 4 stacks of debuff
At that point LS / avatar fades, you'll get your 2nd demo up and should have enough where SB is enough in itself
Only SW when you have no SB LS to cover you
Or when healers decide to ignore you after tank swap for a couple seconds cuz they're brain dead
grand drum
Open with suffering trinket and kill a dps
undone sun
i don't see a problem with that
hallow phoenix
Wouldn't you more reliably kill a DPS if you used suffering during the arc thingy
Hit them with it right before the damage goes off
analog zinc
why not have your monk take orgo first
tame garden
His cotank was a 🐻
warm plinth
His co-tank is normally a brew, but went bear because they were down one of their main healers
sweet kettle
Bear is giga
tame garden
Bear is bis
outer dew
@warm plinth I need you to explain
This logic to me
They lost a healer, so he went bear?
warm plinth
For more self healing. 👍
lusty grotto
tofu pls
warm plinth
chip when we doing keys
lusty grotto
never
warm plinth
WOW
lusty grotto
im knee deep in officer fucking drama shit that is pissing me the fuck off
sand egret
thanks classic.
ivory barn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QufUGLagfRycYy6sPY693 is the 430 also good for surivival? Im using a 415 haste/crit ring +S right now
warm plinth
sand egret
there it isssss
toxic gyro
U you probably dropped on a critter. You killed the poor thing, you monster
warm plinth
No mercy
ivory barn
also from that sim above its only 300 dps less to use the weapon off of Zaqul is that ok?
warm plinth
Why would you want to drop DPS?
ivory barn
didnt know if the weapon effect was simmed too
warm plinth
It is
daring marlin
@outer dew miss u
outer dew
😉
exotic spoke
Hi
warm plinth
Howdy Riki
rapid fable
Yo guys! I have all 430 azerite pieces (3x bastion, 1x deafening crash, 1x iron fortress, 1x brace for impact).
What piece should I buy from the titan residuum vendor? I've got 47.5k today.
I'm planning to do only M+ so I'm looking for good traits for that
strong forum
Shoulders is your highest chance of a Bom piece
4/6
So get that, followed by whatever piece doesn't have DC
Cuz you don't want to upgrade your only 430 DC to a 445 and don't have a DC
strong forum
Decent! Gratz, I got 4x shoulders without bom in a row
slate pond
Lads, prep your anuses for a BIG trinket
empty spire
Hi guys, I got this from QC reclear, shall I reroll monk?
warm plinth
Jesus
strong forum
I'm fine with my 450, not like I'll use it in raids
Shame tho that it's from HC, makes me hate it a bit, thank god forging will be gone tho, only to hunt sockets
:hahaaaa:
strong forum
Note the 'while in combat' part
So it's on a 30sec timer everytime you start combat
Giving you 1 proc at best in m+ per pack
grand drum
It was too good to be true
lucid dew
How are the new essences looking?
analog swift
Essencey
carmine light
Best essences?
ionic fern
For what?
You can check the guides from #268491842637660160 for general information.
DPS wise :
ST CoF major->CnS/Null r3 minors.
AoE VoP major->CnS/Lucid/Sphere/
frail hemlock
can we soak puddles on orgo with shield wall up?
hallow phoenix
You CAN but it's still sketchy if all 3 go off at roughly the same time. My experience is i need healing after two even with wall
frail hemlock
thanks
hallow phoenix
Just be topped off if you're going to. Monks can meditate it
hallow phoenix
@frail hemlock you should be spell reflecting too, always.
thorny laurel
Question: does the Bloodsport trait also increase the max cap of Ignore Pain?
warm plinth
Inasmuch as it increases your individual IPs, yes. The cap on IP is 1.3x a single cast. Since Bloodsport increases your single IP casts, it would also increase the cap.
thorny laurel
ty
sick sentinel
Bloodsport yucky
chilly brook
@strong forum the flip side on that is it’s useable by non tanks now
Although now that it’s every 30 seconds in combat I don’t really see the point in needing the actual multiplier as much as they have
chilly brook
Not necessarily I mean free damage on a weapon is free damage
Would other corrupted pieces be better? Probably
It’s a haste mastery 2h with a passive aoe explosion every 30 seconds in combat
strong forum
For non tanks that's like a 15-30k explode eveey 30 seconds.
So it's like 1k dps at best
ST that is
In m+ there's typically no 2h str dps classes 🙃
But ye, free dmg is free dmg
analog zinc
wait there's a cap on IP
so if you do 2 IPs real close together 1 is gonna get a bunch wasted?
inland mesa
Yes
distant crystal
did you think you could just stack up a 10 million IP while the other tank has the boss? lol
exotic spoke
Yes city of birth. But it’s still worth it to use it. Burn the IP don’t waste rage
grand drum
haste is the way to go
grand drum
im willing to bet this is taken from a demon hunter
grave marsh
nah
warm plinth
Even as a DH they'd have to have 35% leech from gear
And it wouldn't increase their leech rating anyway; DH leech is just added to the stat, not added as rating
near ivy
whatever it is thats doing it, its using lucid dreams major
tender perch
hey what are best raid essences?
analog zinc
crucible
strife
nullif
tender perch
is crucible major?
analog zinc
ya
tender perch
what should i do if i dont have strife
analog zinc
well you're a tank
go swap to dps & do arenas
you can't tank properly if you don't do arena as a dps
hallow phoenix
I did prot/ret pally for most of mine
1600 very easy to get with any comp
Anyway visions is a good minor in raids too
For dps
rigid jackal
so i only one minor slot since my war is an alt, which would be better for the raid, conflict and strife rank 1 or nullification dynamo rank 1?
analog zinc
c&s rank 1 is doggie
even rank 2 is bad
nullif rank 1 is useless, it only does healing until r3 when it becomes your bis dps minor
rigid jackal
yeah, but as it's an alt i don't have any other real choices
hasty nova
wheat talon
should reckless flurry be considered for maximizing m+ dps?
slim pier
no?
tame garden
You dont generally run ST traits for dungeons
wheat talon
none of the sim sites list it at all, and some guide sites say that it's v good for dps, but don't really specify how good
tame garden
Its very good for single target
near ivy
out of interest
wheat talon
okay, thanks
wheat talon
uh, bloodmallet and herodamage, really
I'm lazy and run most of my stuff based on them
tame garden
Guess they dont list it cuz it's not actually a prot trait
Sounds like you know to take those sites with a grain of salt tho
distant crystal
pod
dawn blade
chilly brook
@analog zinc you can definitely tank properly without C&S
warm plinth
Not sure how R2 C&S is bad either. You get like 275 vers instead of 440. Don't think 165 vers is game-breaking.
vocal edge
Does anyone have an opinion on the damage profile of the new raid against Prot? I hear we're going to get royally magic'd
hallow phoenix
Everyone is going to get royally magic'd (demon hunters need not apply)
mortal brook
dual wielding those corrupted weapons like a boss
old night
hello boys
so my RL told me that some top parses run dev instead of bv for high single target?
we're progging on QC rn and it was suggested I try it out
anyone ever fuck with devastator nowadays and have suggestions on essences I can take?
tropic star
so your RL telling you to drop your survivability and go Ham then?
old night
Essentially
tropic star
can check top chunk of logs on warcraft logs to get a good idea
old night
Well not telling like you must do this or be benched. Just that he's seen it ran on higher parses
tropic star
bumostly its just crucible major
still flame
hey everyone, pumped to check in. This channel was so helpful to get my first toon to 120, and now the fun has started 🙂 I want to get my Prot Warrior geared and better at tanking in the raids and M+. Right now my ilvl is 403 but Im sure that'll improve as I do more raids/M+ dungeons (Ive got a key to a M+5 right now). Does anyone recommend any videos to watch/learn from for these? I'm reading the pinned TankNotes and the IcyVeins, but have some real-world work to do so I want to listen to some videos while I work today.
tropic star
take devastator, get 1 BOM, 1 TC, 3 RF from fury traits. Can fill the last one
i tend to always take VOP as a secondary
then your last slot is kind of up to you
think null dynamo and Strife are popular
strong forum
1 dc isnt needed if you go for parses or max dmg
tropic star
DC woops
strong forum
Ideally 3x rf and as many bfi as you can
tropic star
true
tropic star
it soundsl ike they are progging though so i wasnt really suggesting full shedding of survivability
strong forum
But that's full zoomer parse build
old night
Sorry, at work and writing this down. Bom and rf? It's 8am and I just got to work. Can't think of the shorthands for those
Vop?
Vision of perfection nvm
sand egret
Bastion of Might = BoM
Reckless Flurry = RF
tropic star
Bastion of might, trait - Reckless Fury/Flurry (i forget) its a fury trait that adds damage to your auto attacks
VOP, vision of perfection azerite
signal plover
@still flame icy-veins guide and tanknotes cover most of what you'll need. Make sure you read through the explanations rather than just skim it and it'll get you a long way.
Other than that honestly you'll learn the most by doing. Once you're comfortable with the class basics take a look at the block able/reflectable spell list and start working that into m+ runs
tropic star
also what trinkets you using
they are another easy swap to push more damage than survivabililty
signal plover
I'm not sure who streams prot raids/m+ ATM as far as vids go
strong forum
If you're confident in your survivability you can go inkpod + cyclo for max dmg
Coral is trash on court
old night
kk
tropic star
had you already been using Crucible major or no?
tropic star
meant while tankning
strong forum
Go Cof Major
tropic star
yeah, swapping COF to your major will bump you
old night
all around or with this build
tropic star
only time i dont run COF major is like the first 20 pulls on prog. Or to get through a tight spot where my healers are working somethingo ut
but i inevitable go back to COF once things settle
if you have 100% usage on Null r3 is it still less dmg outbut that CNC?
old night
conflict and strife = cns right
tropic star
cns
strong forum
Yes
old night
kk
strong forum
No im saying
Vop or cns
But 100% take null r3
Null r3 is massive
In the end, sim it
still flame
@signal plover thanks for the advice. @strong forum is there anything or anyone in specific you'd recommend watching?
strong forum
Na.
Im so deep into prot since beta and spent a ton of time in this channel
Don't really watch any guides
Especially video guides are incredibly one sided or just straight up bad
It's better to ask around and read both icy veins and wowhead guide and test on your own
still flame
alright then i'll keep doing that. il jump into LFRs when I can and try to do some more reading.
do you play any other classes? I've got the 110 and 120 boost so eventually i might wanna use those for some alts
tame garden
🐻
strong forum
In Bod I played all tanks but monk, now I'm prot warri vdh and warlock based on personal enjoyment
tame garden
Hi riki
exotic spoke
How goes your vacation?
tame garden
😎
exotic spoke
Very nice!
junior ivy
i playedthis game last night
called a way out
omfg it was amazing
im surprised i had never heard of it
i just wanna tell everyone to play it
its local co op, splitscreen
oblique garnet
eh
junior ivy
and like, i expectedit to end afterwe got out of prison
i wasnt expecting fishing, white water rafting, parachuting through mexico and visiting a newborn in a hospital
we had a great time playing
local co op games are rare
we were laughing and yelling at each ohter
i miss that kinda gaming experience
wooden radish
@ionic fern are you as hype for Half-Life VR as i am
warm plinth
No, it's a new game
limpid pawn
I’m trying to get 100s in heroic and 99 in mythic, if anyone sees some glaring errors pls let me know
Do I need heavy repurcussions? Is that the only way?
exotic spoke
@limpid pawn how does your guilds kill time compare to the warriors who is in first?
undone sun
HR is definitely not the choice
distant crystal
it simmed worse ST for me but i think maybe with a bunch of bfis
it might be good
prob need like a big zaq weapon
and a 455 shield
fatty inkpod
really fast kill times can help for more time in lust but not as much as it helps most dps classes
sick sentinel
Your sockets drools
hallow phoenix
HR is used for more DPS when you have 3x bfi and your kill times don't allow for an extra avatar
Even then I never bother with it and get big parses
@limpid pawn
warm plinth
I don't know much about parsing but would benthic not be a help?
warm plinth
Oh, it wasn't showing on his like...profile thing that he linked
I didn't dig in so was going off that lol
hallow phoenix
Change MS to RF should be a DPS gain
But sim to make sure
And get an inkpod. Inkpod will get you your 99s
I almost got top 10 radiance with a dagger this week
Dagger meta when
warm plinth
smfh
warm plinth
Phial oversims afaik doesn't it?
distant crystal
not on ST
hallow phoenix
Is you yellow card like 415
distant crystal
phial is p decent on ST, prob need a pretty big cyclo to beat it
hallow phoenix
Because cyclo should definitely be better
distant crystal
@ 445
distant crystal
cyclo does benefit more from downtime
hallow phoenix
Did 1550 on sivarra which is actually impressive
But my cyclo did 2k on that fight when I used it
435 yellow card
warm plinth
Too bad you can't get a forged cyclo
That'd be sick
Idk how the ilevel calculation is done for punchcards, but my war has a 445 recalibration and only a 415 yellow and his punchcard trinket is 430
distant crystal
just keep buying it from the vendor
hallow phoenix
That'd be BiS by a mile
warm plinth
lol
distant crystal
it's just yellow + red / 2
warm plinth
Oh okay
warm plinth
So if I had 445 yellow as well, I'd have a 445 card?
hallow phoenix
Yes
warm plinth
That'd be cool
hallow phoenix
Is the reason you always use highest yellow
distant crystal
p much
warm plinth
Yeah I just don't have a better yellow on that toon
My DH has a 440 yellow for her cyclo
distant crystal
i think like, 5 ilvl might be worth trading for giga stats
but that's feelycraft
distant crystal
my rogue got a 445 yellow from reproc