protection

[junior ivy]

thym

e

riki

@undone sun @exotic spoke

[undone sun]

Hi

[junior ivy]

hows itgoin

[wooden radish]

@undone sun hi

[undone sun]

Hi

Not bad @junior ivy

[junior ivy]

thyme i kinda wanna play wow

maybe we botjh should

[undone sun]

Hmmmm

[tame garden]

🙂

[undone sun]

Sounds tempting, but theres stunnin lack of interest in wow for me

[oblique pilot]

If i have Deafening Crash and Bastion fo Might in same ring i should run for Bastion in prio?

[tame garden]

Is it your only DC

First DC > BoM

[oblique pilot]

i have already 1 in head

[tame garden]

You only need 1

So go BoM

[oblique pilot]

Okay, thanks

[junior ivy]

thyme im just craving any game i all i play isrocket league

[signal plover]

Fallen order is pretty good tbh

[exotic spoke]

Hi catfriend

[warm plinth]

Hi Riki

[exotic spoke]

Hi ghash

[lusty grotto]

Hi nimchip

[undone sun]

who

[lusty grotto]

🤔 dunno he said hi

so i'm saying hi back at him

[tame garden]

Hello non-bears

[sand egret]

Hello furless rage characters

[lusty grotto]

say what you will about bears, but they do know how to pick toilet paper

[exotic spoke]

@tame garden hi

[signal plover]

We've got a real who's who of ppl that don't play prot warr up in here

[exotic spoke]

Speg plays prot

I got your back @tame garden

[signal plover]

Speg is the exception to the social club madness

[modern brook]

Hi did some one submessage me :^)

[shut summit]

🐻

[lusty grotto]

hi sense

[shut summit]

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern where is your emote ?

[shut summit]

right there

[oblique garnet]

[potent anvil]

:mwahi:

[warm plinth]

Sense af

[ionic fern]

Jep, already crying in my tiny corner.

[shut summit]

[tame garden]

@exotic spoke thanks for the support

[exotic spoke]

Anytime @tame garden you’re the best

[tame garden]

[sand egret]

🧸

[sudden wren]

hi guys, i'm prot noob player, i'm having issues keeping agro!, could you give me some adv, what rotation do you use to pull groups or something like that, sorry about my poor english 😛

my rotation:

Charge - Demoralizing Shout - Shield Block - Avatar - Thunder Clap - fill - Thunder Clap - Fill - Thunder ...... Of course priotitaizing triggers too...

[strong forum]

Avatar before charge

[sand egret]

You should Avatar + Charge (Charge is off the GCD) > TClap to start

[strong forum]

You're using 5 spells before you're attacking once, generating 0 aggro

[sand egret]

getting that beefy hit early is going to be a noticeable improvement to how smooth a pull goes aggro-wise.

[strong forum]

Sure alot of that is off gcd and stuff, but generally you can avatar charge (sb whenever) TC Demo revenge

[sand egret]

most specs will be going into their Iris spam by the time you first clap

with that start

[strong forum]

I generally don't even charge anymore but I start with heroic leap->TC

For a bit more initial aggro

[sand egret]

pssh, we know you just wanna do a superhero landing as you pull too look cool 😏

[tame garden]

Omg lol

Your poor dps

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/vf0W.gif

[strong forum]

shh

I may or may not have the heroic leap glyph

[warm plinth]

What glyph is that

[sand egret]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=141898/glyph-of-falling-thunder this I think?

[modern brook]

I like the thunder clap glyph

Makes u feel like clor god of clapping

That was a shit joke sorry

[faint vortex]

I’m shit 27lvl prot and I approve that shit joke 😃

[tame garden]

[faint vortex]

Will tanking become more funny at high levels? For now it feels sad. Only shield looking keeps me playing lol

[warm plinth]

Tanking is real funny

😉

[tame garden]

Tanking is always sad

If my dps arent trolling me then I'm trolling them

[faint vortex]

Tbh I was enjoying it in old Korean game about ten years ago — RF Online

[modern brook]

RF online is the shit man

God teir game

[warm plinth]

I'm playing MW right now

[faint vortex]

Yeah

[modern brook]

Wow raid tanking I found suuuuuuper unfufilling

But m+ tanking was a lot of fun

If a bit frustrating cause all of your dps are dumb as bricks

[faint vortex]

😂

[modern brook]

I would not use level 27 as a barometer for the end game content though

[faint vortex]

Ofc

[sand egret]

heck, you don't even have all the coolest abilites

aka No Avataaaar

[tame garden]

Yeah game is very different at 120

[sand egret]

mans probably can't even Leap yet

[faint vortex]

For now I just enjoy entering AH with a heroic last followed by TC

[warm plinth]

He doesn't even have two charges of shield block yet guys

[sand egret]

ooof

[modern brook]

Yikes

[sand egret]

when does SR get earned/

[modern brook]

Can he use devestate at least?

[warm plinth]

70 i think?

[sand egret]

big oof

[warm plinth]

Yeah you have Deva, TC, Revenge, SB (but only one charge)

And intercept maybe at that point?

[faint vortex]

No intercept now

[warm plinth]

Nope not yet

Almost, 28

[sudden wren]

thx for the adv 😄 very usefull

[faint vortex]

Well, I just have to keep calm and wait. I’m a Pandaren, I used to be calm

(No)

[warm plinth]

Panda war 😮

People can talk the shit they wanna talk but Bouncy is OP af

[faint vortex]

Yeah

And real big ass lol

[sudden wren]

lol

[modern brook]

😍

Panda lowkey gets some of the best mogs

[exotic spoke]

@warm plinth I mean did, dwarf, goblin, gnome, human, space goat, night elf. If you’re not one of those are you really playing the game?

[strong forum]

^

so much this

[sand egret]

you can pretty much stop after those first two, tbh

the rest are just second-class races

with sub-optimal beards

[strong forum]

^

cant agree more

[warm plinth]

I'm the faction that actually has people on it atm so I'm mag'har

[sand egret]

the biggest imbalance on Blizz's hands is making DID also alliance, further weighting Alliance beard-bias.

[strong forum]

wow doesnt have people period

like come on

[sand egret]

Horde has an awful beard game

[exotic spoke]

I listed goblin in there ghash

[warm plinth]

Yeah but then you have to b ea fuckin goblin

[exotic spoke]

EXCUSE ME RACIST

IM CUTE AS FUCK

[modern brook]

I'll corroborate this list

I'm an orc and my only tangent to playing is via this discord

[sand egret]

mag'har orcs shoulda got epic beards to further differentiate them from the green skins. After all Fel energy is awful for beards

[tame garden]

My warrior will be race changing to vulpera the instant they become available 🙂

[exotic spoke]

But./. But goblins

[tame garden]

Vulpera is the best race

If vulpera could be druid my bear would also become a fox

[modern brook]

Idk what's worse tbh

Liking vulpera

Or hating vulpera

[strong forum]

im going vulpera for the memes

[modern brook]

That's the first step to furrydom dude

[warm plinth]

Vulpera hunter with a little ray gun is the move

[modern brook]

"I'm going to furrycon in suit ironically

[sand egret]

So my guild has .5 rogues atm so I told em that if I went Vulpera Rogue, i'd still be a Rogue with Fur technically (normally I play Feral)

[modern brook]

I play rogue and am lfg

:^)

[sand egret]

you really don't wanna join this crew Bull haha

[grim nymph]

Cow warrior ftw

[modern brook]

But my 3rd favorite person is in it :^(

Behind the concept of nimchip and sense when he decides to stream

[warm plinth]

Who's your third favorite person?

[clear sapphire]

The pain of being subtely prodded about how BDK may be good again next tier and I should think about it :o

[sand egret]

And like a true Warrior....you Ignore it.

[potent anvil]

I understood that reference.

[clear sapphire]

Lol

Done it through every other tier and still Outlast/beat out all the "meta" tanks that are recruited

Only fight I felt that I should switch to dps to do the fight with 2 tanks was Orgozoa.... It was a poorly designed fight for swapping.

[chilly brook]

@sand egret tbh it really doesn't make sense that DID were just like "yea I guess I'll join the alliance instead of the horde"

@clear sapphire to be fair the only way you 2 tank Org is with 2 BrMs

[exotic spoke]

Lol lore

[sand egret]

eh, Moira’s got ties so I get it. Still not a fan of beard inequality

[warm plinth]

This goes beyond #firstworldproblems

[limpid pawn]

for M orgozoa do you guys use the aberation belt for add tanking?

or is the other belt still better?

[clear sapphire]

Prbly the Abber belt, but I have a 455 belt which I used instead cause I didn't want to bother farming for that benthic belt. Dont qoute me though

[fathom rampart]

is there a list of BIS benthic for prot damage output? I looked in the pins and on Icy but didnt see any direct listings.

[near ivy]

not really, just sim it

[fathom rampart]

Most of the other tank classes have very clear bis benthic items. It seems strange that warriors wouldnt have one somewhere.

[near ivy]

the strength of each individual item of benthic doesnt exactly change between classes

[analog swift]

Yeah it’s not like a benthic pieces increases your avatar damage or anything

An exploding pufferfish is an exploding pufferfish

[near ivy]

the only real difference i can think of is how much that class likes mastery

since mastery is the only stat that wont increase the overall output of benthic

[teal spruce]

question for M+'s stats. is having 27% Haste unbuffed (into the Fray 0/5 stack) enough or too much. while i pop avatar i seem to be waiting on the gcd and i can use Shield slam in between every Tclap?

[warm plinth]

No such thing as too much haste.

[near ivy]

you can always press a button between tclaps

unless something insane and external is happening like last boss ToS

[teal spruce]

i can fit a shield slam and almost a revenge in between each Tclap. just trying to make it smoother in the rotation.

[near ivy]

yea

that is not how tclap cooldown works

tclap cd is 2gcds during avatar

meaning tclap - gcd - tclap - gcd - tclap

no matter what haste % you have unless you have >100% or < 0 % haste

same rule applies outside of avatar but its 4gcds

[potent anvil]

Unless you have 300% haste, then it's every GCD during avatar or 700% outside of avatar

[warm plinth]

Hastewind

[limpid pawn]

single target dps priority

during avatar, its shield slam #1 right

then thunder clap

then revenge

was talking to someone about this

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's SS now on ST

Was TC still pre-nerf but since the nerf SS is more damage on ST

[near ivy]

yea, my point isnt that Tclap should always be used every 2nd gcd in avatar

but it should 100% be used over revenge

[warm plinth]

Yeah, for sure

[near ivy]

so this doesnt really work

[warm plinth]

I wasn't arguing with your point; just answering brollikk's question. Sorry I didn't clarify

[near ivy]

no toxicity taken 👍

im fully agreeing here

just clarifying any confusion other people might have

[fathom rampart]

mastery over 100% provide anything or is just wasted?

[potent anvil]

Only if you can aim for 250%, but that's probably not obtainable

In other words, nothing significant is gained other than just more of it.

[fathom rampart]

I meant like some things, Crit for instance provide nothing over 100%. I wanted to make sure that If my Avatar procs put me over 100% I'm not wasting it and may need to adjust my secondaries.

[potent anvil]

It still increases your attack power, so there's value. Also ignore pain, and your base chance to block when you don't have shield block up.

[near ivy]

mastery gives AP

[fathom rampart]

so it sounds like there is no real valid reason to be concerned with the 100% point.

[potent anvil]

Yep.

[limpid pawn]

which azerite pieces have that rezan trait?

i see it on wow logs, top warriors are using that

[near ivy]

if you are looking at their logs

just look at their azerite

[dark crane]

with bolster when i use last stand do i block damage for 15 sec melee?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[dark crane]

cheers

[analog zinc]

just learnt avatar clears snares, that means Warrior might actually be better than DH for Wrathion & I can convince my raid lead to let me bring it to a boss next tier!

[grand drum]

You have to convince him that you want to play a better tank?

[sinful stone]

how much ilvl is a socket on a ring worth?

[open bluff]

25-30 ilvls

[exotic spoke]

No where near that many ilvls for tanks

I call it about 10

[grim nymph]

How the fuck am I supposed to tank a 15+ KR this week lol

[oblique garnet]

You kite

Alot

And hope that your dps actually kicks something

[grim nymph]

spriest + mage + monk + no voice. kicks were awful lol

The bleed was horrible though in conjunction with the shadowbolts

Missed time by like 5 seconds :\

2 stacks literally hit for almost 250k :\

That plus quaking plus shitty voids lol

[sullen valve]

Daily reminder you can use wowA for prot warrior!!!

[grim nymph]

for M+ logs?

I guess that's the difference between a coordinated group and an uncoordinated one. Forgot I timed KR+16 3 days ago, and we were like 6 minutes under....

And that one had rshaman + feral and no rogue

[sinful stone]

so with a socket on a ring, i guess the deciding factor is stam

how much stam is 1 haste worth i guess

a 430 ring with socket has more secondary stats (560) than 455 ring with no socket (556)

but a 455 ring has 156 more stam

[distant crystal]

did you know that you don't have to pull the void in the first boss room this week

[exotic spoke]

I mean, I personally just count the socket at about 10 ilvls.

[distant crystal]

you can just pull around it lol

[exotic spoke]

@sullen valve Thanks bro for the daily reminder

[grim nymph]

@distant crystal wait lol

[distant crystal]

yup

[grim nymph]

I guess it isn't linked, so yeah, definitely could be done

Is it the same with the tides that can spawn with the pack on the front right in first room?

[distant crystal]

not sure which you mean

[grim nymph]

I generally pull the champion+witch doctor separately so it can get kicked.

[distant crystal]

in boss room??

[grim nymph]

yes

[distant crystal]

i think there's different spawns depending on the week

iirc one is linked one isn't

[grim nymph]

Yeah, not there this week

I was just wondering if I could just leave it there the whole dungeon lol

or I guess pull it with boss since it's irrelevant then

[distant crystal]

yeah not sure on that one, i didn't know about the void until the tank did that in a run yesterday

gotta check those emissaries that look like they're part of the pack tho, there's quite a few that aren't linked that seem like they would be

[grim nymph]

Yeah that tides I know isn't linked

[hallow phoenix]

Anyone have trouble pulling the sky screamer+saurids pack without pulling the tides emissary in atal this week?

I used to just taunt the skyscreamer but doing that pulled the tides as well

[exotic spoke]

Yes

I did it at least once. Just tainted something and it snapped but the tides didn’t come - until the spriest hit it anyway

[strong forum]

Get about 8 more ilvl in general, rezans + gore butcher block as trinkets
And 450 azerite

If you can, get the raid trinkets edict and urchin, but I assume you only do m+

[oblique garnet]

@hallow phoenix you can snap the pack on the ledge and interrupt the skyscreamer even with the tides

[potent zephyr]

check damage

idiot

@fierce juniper

[sick sentinel]

Master free

[fierce juniper]

wait

i just realized i put this in #protection

lmao

[hallow phoenix]

What did he put

I have to know

[strong forum]

Stuff of legends

One might say...

League of legos

[lusty grotto]

merek wat u doin

[terse wedge]

I smell heresy..

[queen prism]

Morning All, I preordered the expansion and decided to boost a prot warrior to 120. Any advice on where I should be focusing my time on a fresh 120? I looked through the pins and such and don’t see a similar question pinned. I’m sure this has been asked before though. sorry about that.

[warm plinth]

If you have a main to feed benthic from, do that. Do a Mechagon soon-ish for Vision major. Farm any dungeon that has shields or weapons.

[queen prism]

Gotcha. Any quick and easy way to get ilvl up?

Thanks for the help

Just started again

[tame garden]

If you have friends or guildies that can boost you through m+ that's the fastest

[warm plinth]

Yeah besides benthic, that ^ basically

If you like PvP you could do conq caps

[queen prism]

Thanks guys, how are we compared to bear tanks right now? Last question

[warm plinth]

Uh oh

[tame garden]

🙂

[warm plinth]

Had to ask while the bear was here

[tame garden]

Bear is the best tank

[warm plinth]

🗞️

[tame garden]

Most floof

Best swipes

Nicest tmog

[warm plinth]

Bad bear

[tame garden]

Prot is better than bear atm

But tanks are well balanced atm

Besides brewmaster but they are getting nerfed

[wooden radish]

imagine thinking prot warrior will be good in NTWC

[warm plinth]

Look at Lincoln with his fancy abbreviations

But we all know it's just because he can't spell Ny'alotha.

After all, he's just a cat

[undone sun]

Oh that's one hell of an abbreviation

I know of the word ny'alotha though, from k values 😉

[warm plinth]

Thyme is a hell of an abbrevation.

The humblest yet mightiest example

[undone sun]

Thanks

[slim pier]

Lmao

[hallow phoenix]

I have two ashvane warden's chestplates now 😮 actually not disappointed with that

Can save on reforging

[grave marsh]

I do mostly M+, is crystalline carapace or Blood Siphon worth more?

[warm plinth]

I'd probably go blood siphon

Disclaimer: Not because of the leech; just because carapace is kinda meh.

[grave marsh]

oh

the piece also has gemhide on it

[warm plinth]

Also meh

[grave marsh]

its ranked S tier on icy veins

[warm plinth]

Yeah, icy-veins is ranked purely for defensiveness

[tame garden]

Leech

[junior ivy]

should i buy mass effect andromeda

[exotic spoke]

Never played it catfriend so I don’t know

[signal plover]

No

[exotic spoke]

How y’all do on your chests of disappointment

[warm plinth]

Disappointingly

[hallow phoenix]

got a 440 2Her with a socket

so i can finally fury

i guess

[warm plinth]

😄

[hallow phoenix]

one day i'll get a 440 trinket

[warm plinth]

I'll probably never replace my trinkets

[tame garden]

I kneel then pray @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

Oh do you Speg?

[warm plinth]

I didn't even do keys on my alts last week

[distant crystal]

slacker

i got my alt dh to 120 monday

and still got a 10 in

[warm plinth]

Aww yiss

I didn't do them because I hate last week

[tame garden]

I made my friends carry my 363 shaman through a 10

[distant crystal]

garbo haste/mastery gloves from cache

but beats benthic i guess

i was dreaming about a 450 crawg tusk

:*(

[exotic spoke]

@tame garden I can help you with that

Also, I think I only did a 10 last week on Probablyriki. Wanna do a 9 and blow it up and then something like an12 or 11?

[tame garden]

Tempting but I raid tonight, have plans tmw then I'm gone for a week on vacation

[exotic spoke]

What time do you start raid?

[analog zinc]

would you take a brace for impact or dagger in the back for m+?

[exotic spoke]

Brace

It’s good defensively and still adds some single target dps.

[hallow phoenix]

I'm not sure if I'd ever take dagger in the back

Surely any piece with it has a better alternative

[exotic spoke]

I take it on single target prot dps sets

[distant crystal]

beats CR

[exotic spoke]

But that’s because that’s what sims said

[distant crystal]

even hitting from the front :p

[hallow phoenix]

Is it really between dagger and CR?

[distant crystal]

dagger is sim trap

sim hits from the back

[hallow phoenix]

That's awful

[distant crystal]

iunno just thinking of a bad trait it could be up against

:p

[exotic spoke]

And on a lot of bosses I can spend half the time hitting from the back

[analog zinc]

its between dagger & brace

& its for m+

[exotic spoke]

Take Brace

[distant crystal]

brace is prob even better dps

not to mention the def

[hallow phoenix]

Bfi is huge DPS single target

[distant crystal]

you're never gonna hit from behind in M+

so dagger is a non-starter

[hallow phoenix]

Is there a reason icy veins doesn't mention MS trait?

[analog zinc]

longstrider?

[hallow phoenix]

Defensively I feel it might be better than bfi

Longstrider or what

[analog zinc]

what do you mean by MS trait

[exotic spoke]

I have it on harpooned?

[strong forum]

Meticulous scheming

[analog zinc]

ohh

[exotic spoke]

^^

If you get that you take that

[hallow phoenix]

Over bfi for survival?

[strong forum]

Ye idk either, ask the big chief

MS is our best trait assuming you have a good ilvl shield I would say

[hallow phoenix]

Progging on Queens court and those suckers hurt

[strong forum]

Offensively and defensively

[exotic spoke]

Wonder how much dps BfI adds for me.

[hallow phoenix]

A lot

[exotic spoke]

I see how much dps I’m getting single target from dagger

[strong forum]

QC doesn't hurt at all tbh

[analog zinc]

yeah cuz all the dangerous damage on queen's court is healer mechanics

[hallow phoenix]

Our healers are struggling a bit so I'm left to fend for myself at times

[strong forum]

Just go VDH and be comfy :)

[analog zinc]

i've seen that boss on monk, I'd be terrified of what a war would be like on it

[exotic spoke]

I’d have to sim it again and compare the gain of BfI versus the actual gains of dagger

[distant crystal]

i took as much dmg from eruption on QC on my spriest as the prot warrior who was sitting it on purpose

[analog zinc]

i play prot pally there

[distant crystal]

then i found out that i had my graphics too low to see the circle

the tooltip is a lie

[exotic spoke]

Court wasn’t bad. But other issues meant my guild is just reclearing with the hope of having a mythic team for 8.3 again

[strong forum]

QC on warri is almost negative dmg taken. Outside of Deferred and Zealous ( which you can easily cover by SW alone) you don't take dmg

[modern brook]

Just ignore the pain dude

[analog zinc]

i mean that's true for every tank

"its easy if you don't count the hard parts"

[strong forum]

Deferred shouldn't be an issue cuz of hp pool

And Zealous it's only you taking dmg

So it's literally whatever

[exotic spoke]

Usually raid wide CDs running and externals for those parts are planned

So it turns out to be a non issue

[strong forum]

^

[hallow phoenix]

Across all attempts I averaged 24k ehrps

[exotic spoke]

I wish we weren’t so fucking melee heavy. Our best pull was 12% with 2 boomkins, 1 spriest, 1 lock, 1 hunter, 1 mage

[hallow phoenix]

We have like 6 ranged lol

Hoping to fix that soon

[exotic spoke]

It’s so frustrating to see fights that are so melee punishing like fetid

And or court

[strong forum]

I have 28k ehrps on our last kill

[analog zinc]

how y'all healing so much on war o.o

i wanna see your logs

[warm plinth]

IP counts as healing

[exotic spoke]

It’s IP mostly

[hallow phoenix]

Ok that's making me feel better nom

[strong forum]

On first kill I had 25k ehrps

[analog zinc]

ye but that's a heck of a lot of IP healing

[strong forum]

With full defensive trinkets

Last kill was full offensive

[warm plinth]

Spend that rage mang, plus probably edicts/urchin

[hallow phoenix]

I'll be running full defense until we get it down

[strong forum]

2nd kill I had 25k ehrps aswell

40k dtps

[analog zinc]

you're doing about as much healing as my prot pally on a heavy offensive setup

[hallow phoenix]

Ehrps isn't our healing done

[warm plinth]

That too

[hallow phoenix]

It's external healing required

[strong forum]

It's external healing required per second

[analog zinc]

oh i'm dumbass

thought you were saying you're doing 25k hps

[strong forum]

Na I'm around 15k

Ish

[analog zinc]

ye wars need a fuck ton of healing on that boss

[strong forum]

That's not alot

[analog zinc]

compared to pally or dh it is

even compared to brew

[strong forum]

:doubt:

[hallow phoenix]

That's like beacon and forget

[strong forum]

Did you like check that at all

[hallow phoenix]

Our monk was taking 37k ehrps

[analog zinc]

when the fight is so varied it is

[strong forum]

Monks have stupid high ehrps

[hallow phoenix]

He wasn't running anything like urchin though

Feels bad

Died a few times too

[analog zinc]

i run full offensive trinkets & essences on queens court while my monk goes full turtle

[strong forum]

Imagine going turtle as monk

Yikes

[analog zinc]

plus I also sac him twice

i sac him once during Deferred because I'm bubbling there anyway, & I sac him again during an eruption

[hallow phoenix]

We're progging still so I don't think going defensive is bad, especially if you die on a few pulls

[strong forum]

Dying on court is literally 9/10 a healer issue or you're not pressing your buttons ( as tank)

[hallow phoenix]

Pretty sure it's our heals

[analog zinc]

dying on court is 5/10 picking the wrong class, 4/10 healer mechanics

actually fuck that 10/10 picking wrong class lol

[hallow phoenix]

I disagree about wrong class

[strong forum]

City thinks prot warri is shit

[hallow phoenix]

This late into tier

[strong forum]

So he's biased af

[analog zinc]

i just like fights that monk suck at

& fights that monk suck at war suck at too

[warm plinth]

You’re a fight that monks suck at

[strong forum]

Monk doesn't suck at any fight

[exotic spoke]

I mean - monks were just broken as shit for tanking for cutting edge prog

[analog zinc]

monks are bad on queen's court

pally & dh are both signifigantly better

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto keys when?

[hallow phoenix]

[strong forum]

While I don't disagree that dh and pally is good on court, I wouldnt say that any tank is bad there

[hallow phoenix]

What are the affixes

[strong forum]

But hey you do you

[exotic spoke]

Meh - fuck maintaining multiple characters

I wouldn’t say monks suck on any fight. Just not optimal on a very few

[warm plinth]

Bolstering, explosive, tyrannical

[hallow phoenix]

Bolstering reee

[strong forum]

Slow pull week

[analog zinc]

I have a Pally & Monk 445+, a DH 440+, all 3 of them have bis essences, next tier my War is 430 & gonna have bis azerite when the essence reqs get nerfed
My Druid will also have mostly bis essences & its something like mid 430s

[hallow phoenix]

I wish explosives bolstered

[warm plinth]

Just attempted a 15 shrine with a pug where the tank pulled the two apprentices after 1st boss into the 1st boss 🤔

[exotic spoke]

Good for you?

[strong forum]

Yikes ghash

[hallow phoenix]

Just dont cleave

Ez

[warm plinth]

Tfw havoc main

[exotic spoke]

Personally - fuck maintaining multiple characters

[analog zinc]

they're used to doing it on low keys when you can kill them before 1st boss spawns

[strong forum]

I'm just gearing up others now cuz gear capped on warri

[warm plinth]

Yeah lol

[hallow phoenix]

Sounds like a brainfart to me

[strong forum]

Sanguine

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think it was

It’s not sanguine on NA

[strong forum]

Ah..

[hallow phoenix]

I often pull the windspeaker pack into boss

[analog zinc]

tyra bolstering explosive tides

[exotic spoke]

It was until today Nome

[warm plinth]

Bolstered boss 😄

Not on bolstering week though lol

[strong forum]

Breh I don't live in the past future

[hallow phoenix]

Because I think after the split phase it's done

[warm plinth]

You’re a past future

Lmfao

[hallow phoenix]

Always forget first shrine boss reforms

[warm plinth]

I regularly think the fight is over at that point as well

[strong forum]

Na is weird, 8hrs behind but gets resets 16hrs earlier

[warm plinth]

Like okay let’s goooo

[hallow phoenix]

Jealous nom?

[strong forum]

Not really

[hallow phoenix]

It's ok to be jelly

[warm plinth]

Never really understood why they reset at different times

[strong forum]

My workday is already over when yours is just beginning :)

:hahaaa:

[hallow phoenix]

We get to be disappointed with our caches 16 hours early

[strong forum]

Big pog

[exotic spoke]

Because that’s what their data showed as what was slowest for those regions and impacted the least amount of players when they didn’t have scheduled maintenance

[warm plinth]

Ah that makes sense

I do like when it’s not DST because then I have two hours to do shit after reset instead of one

[strong forum]

EU is busy on Wednesdays and NA busy on Tuesdays, got it

[analog zinc]

i got so damn lucky with my caches lol

[hallow phoenix]

What get

[strong forum]

Imagine getting lucky from cache...

[analog zinc]

upgrades on 6/6 chars, & another item on my war pvp cache

[warm plinth]

I think his point was that if they did maintenance at the same time, they’d be doing EU maintenance during your peak hours Nome

[strong forum]

You're peak hours

[hallow phoenix]

^

[strong forum]

Got em

[warm plinth]

Oof

[hallow phoenix]

Damn

[warm plinth]

I deserve that

[strong forum]

But hey guess what, tomorrow is holiday and I can chill all day and night.

Who's jelly now

[hallow phoenix]

What holiday

[strong forum]

Uuh lemme Google translate

[warm plinth]

Not me. I’m off work all week anyway

[hallow phoenix]

I'm pretty jelly I gotta be up at 6 tomorrow :(

[strong forum]

Some Christian bullshit

Gotta love Christians for that

[warm plinth]

Have to use all my vacation time before the end of the year and still had a week and a half left

[strong forum]

The only useful thing they still bring is tons of holodays

Use it on new years?

I have 2 weeks off around christler and new years

[warm plinth]

What Christian holiday needs to be translated lol

[hallow phoenix]

Are you German

[warm plinth]

Errr

[hallow phoenix]

Repentance day?

[warm plinth]

So it’s a German only thing?

[strong forum]

Yes I am a schnitzel

Ye

Germany has fuck ton of Christian holidays

[exotic spoke]

Mmmm schnitzel

[strong forum]

:comfy:

[warm plinth]

You’re a fuckton of Christian holidays

[strong forum]

Aww

Thank you

[hallow phoenix]

Just kiss already

[warm plinth]

No way

I’m #TakenByTofu @outer dew

[outer dew]

Good, good

[hallow phoenix]

Tofu never would have found out

[outer dew]

You know to be loyal

[hallow phoenix]

If you didn't ping

[outer dew]

Hmph

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[outer dew]

That's because you not like my Ghashie-poo

He has an honest heart

[hallow phoenix]

Aww

[warm plinth]

❤️

And thanks to Discord, my love for you has grown because these emojis are fuckin huge now

[modern brook]

Hi tofu

[warm plinth]

Bull, Nim won't respond to my pings

[outer dew]

Hi Bull

(:

[warm plinth]

He probably doesn't want to face the truth. @lusty grotto

[hallow phoenix]

👀

I enjoyed classic but don't have the time for two wow games

[warm plinth]

I get to fight the greatest mob ever created

[hallow phoenix]

Fungusmourne hungers

[warm plinth]

Exactly

[oblique garnet]

any NA friends checked if Explosives give VR?

[warm plinth]

I forgot about that D:

[exotic spoke]

Can tonight late. At work right now

[warm plinth]

Imagine working

[tame garden]

😭

[distant crystal]

get the achievement for lichen king

[sharp rover]

Rolled an Ashvane warden's cuirass

This makes up for my three copies of 455 boots

[warm plinth]

👍

[distant crystal]

well

it's kinda funny that the chest from ashvane is good

and the vendor chest named after ashvane is too

it's kinda sad that i have neither of them though :*(

but i did get radiance helm so i can rock metic on shoulders now

[warm plinth]

I'll rock your metic

[sharp rover]

The drop from Ashvane is good?

I thought it was mediocre because it lacked BoM

[distant crystal]

it has bom

[sharp rover]

Wait wait no, it has BoM but then it also has CR

[distant crystal]

yeah it's not amazing

[analog zinc]

Servent Splitter any good?

[distant crystal]

i'd prob run arcane heart

if i got it

[warm plinth]

it's one of our best single target DPS weapons

[analog zinc]

any good for keys?

[warm plinth]

If it's your highest ilevel weapon, you should use it

[analog zinc]

or would i be better off using 420 haste crit wep

aight

[sharp rover]

On Ashvane warden's cuirass, do I take MS or BFI?

[distant crystal]

MS

[sharp rover]

Even ST?

[distant crystal]

bom MS op uhh

haste is pretty giga for st but

bfi is prob a little better dam idk

[sharp rover]

Bulwark > Longstrider?

[distant crystal]

bulwark for keys

longstrider for raid

imo

[warm plinth]

You can sim if your purpose is ST DPS

[analog zinc]

idk why but i never seen to get much use out of bulwark

on my pally a bulwark does like half the overall healing of a resounding

[distant crystal]

it should pop a lot in keys

[warm plinth]

It's not a good trait

But it's better than Longstrider

[sharp rover]

I was just looking at bulwark for fury, and in raids it's basically an empty trait

Even on fights that occasionally could proc it its value was almost nil

[warm plinth]

It is, especially if there aren't any adds, because it never procs

[sharp rover]

Even on Org it almost never procs

[warm plinth]

I mean, it'll proc every 20 seconds as long as you have 4 mobs around you. If that situation doesn't happen, then it won't proc; it's that simple.

So if those circumstances arise rarely or not at all, it's not worth using

[distant crystal]

on org the add tank is usually opposite from the boss

so they only get 4 targets when 2 add sets overlap

or downstairs

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was never claiming it was worth using on the fight. :p Just that in M+ it's better than Longstrider.

[fossil sparrow]

does anyone use anima of life an death minor for m+? only do lowish keys to get back into tanking

feel like not using it I..have no health

[tame garden]

Anima minor sucks

[fossil sparrow]

Sure..but it's..70k~ health

without it I feel naked

[tame garden]

Max hp dont matter when you take no damage

[limpid pawn]

I’m full defensive now for mythic queens court

Prognthough

[grim nymph]

440 merektha's fang from chest?

[distant crystal]

pump them fangs

[grim nymph]

Feels like it might be better than briny barnacle or whatever the SotS trinket is called

[distant crystal]

it hits pretty good in aoe

unsplit

Naowh used it in some dungeons for MDI fwiw

[grim nymph]

Can I block while using it, or will I get dicked?

[warm plinth]

No, you can't block while using it

[distant crystal]

i was gonna check for ya

but the tank dummy is occupado

nice accidental screenshot timing tho lol

[wild sandal]

hey dudes, i was tanking zaqul , and i got one shout but some hit from the adds, quievring claws, it only happend like once

[grim nymph]

add got big

[wild sandal]

and was woudring if i did something wrong

[distant crystal]

mythic?

[wild sandal]

ye

[distant crystal]

oh ya

[grim nymph]

If the adds get big you just die

[distant crystal]

dps needs to kill adds

before they get swole

[wild sandal]

ok

[grim nymph]

I guess I'll shockwave and then pump the fang 🙃

[distant crystal]

this monk is about to die

[wild sandal]

any sepcial tips , diffrence from heroic? it was our first night on him, i am using vop , null r3 and cns

[distant crystal]

who's your cotank

[wild sandal]

monk

[distant crystal]

i think the play is usually have monk keep the boss 24/7

and you just pick up adds and take his link

[oblique garnet]

pretty much

[frosty holly]

Have they fixed Victory rush vs explosive yet btw? Can't remember if it got resolved last time explosive was around

[warm plinth]

Not sure

[frail dirge]

victory rush vs explosive? please explain

[grim nymph]

Killing explosives used to give victory rush

[frail dirge]

and that's a bad thing? xD

[warm plinth]

No, there was a bug last time explosive came around where killing them wasn't proccing it

[grim nymph]

Note the "used to" part 😛

[sweet summit]

yes, "used" is the problem

[frosty holly]

Guess I'll find out tomorrow 😄

[grim nymph]

Today, since it's already reset for NA

[warm plinth]

I would imagine it hasn't been yet since there's been no post, but stranger things have happened.

[grim nymph]

Is merektha's fang affected by BV or avatar?

[warm plinth]

No

[distant crystal]

no

[grim nymph]

rip

[warm plinth]

BV and Avatar don't affect anything that isn't a warrior skill. They're what is called "whitelisted"

[distant crystal]

@warm plinth has too much haste

[warm plinth]

As are pretty much all damage buffs now

I don't even have that much

[distant crystal]

except schism

[grim nymph]

Figured. All my lock buffs only affect lock shit.

[sweet summit]

not for long

[warm plinth]

With 5 stacks D:

[distant crystal]

talkin bout your discord haste

beating me to the punch

[warm plinth]

Yeah Schism is getting "fixed" in 8.3 I believe

Oh

That's because I'm a no-lifer

[distant crystal]

same

i've already done 4/8M twice this lockout

[warm plinth]

I got dat phat crit though

Doing my weekly on my war right now; I'll let you guys know about VR

[distant crystal]

[warm plinth]

Git gud

[distant crystal]

so much mastery 😢

[warm plinth]

I'm at 24.48%

[exotic spoke]

Anyone been on ptr and test new m+ rewards? Wanted to test something

[warm plinth]

VR is still not working

[exotic spoke]

What about PTR ghash you check that out?

[warm plinth]

No, I don't think I've ever been on the PTR the entire time I played WoW lol

[exotic spoke]

Not sure how I feel about that

[warm plinth]

I'm actually okay with that I think.

[tame garden]

It's a good compromise to get us through to next expac imo

I wish random sockets were gone

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it could be worse.

[tame garden]

But ilvl wise I'm ok with it

[warm plinth]

Well I guess at least you can force sockets on junk corrupted gear

With that one item

Note that it says 15s too, not 10s. So it won't be everyone and their brother getting it (at least, not for a while)

[exotic spoke]

I’m just saying for pushing higher keys it still feels like Mythic raiding is required

And yeah I know about the 15s

[warm plinth]

Idk, I feel like I need raid trinkets, but I still don't raid. 🤷

[tame garden]

I think being 10 ilvl below mythic to start off and then getting 1 mythic piece per week is reasonable

[oblique garnet]

15 mechagon spam will be fun 😃

[warm plinth]

You'll still be able to do the keys you're doing now without raiding. The corrupted effects are going to matter way more than 10 ilevel

[tame garden]

You should be fine to push m+ without raiding

[exotic spoke]

Nah Late - big brain - getting the rings from your chest

To a point Speg yeah

[warm plinth]

Tbh the thing I'm looking forward to least is having to farm another paragon trait

[exotic spoke]

But then getting that extra oomph will really help

[warm plinth]

To remain competitive

[oblique garnet]

You need to do raid for weapon

[warm plinth]

Or just get one out of chest 4head

[exotic spoke]

Could get weapon / shield from weekly chest late at Mythic level

[warm plinth]

Just gotta be like my warrior. 445 shield in first cache, 440 wep in 2nd. Ez game

[tame garden]

Need the op weapon corruptions tho

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[tame garden]

Hm that's a good point

[warm plinth]

Wdym, aren't all corruptions available on all slots?

Are there weapon specific corruptions?

[tame garden]

Theres weapon specific ones

[exotic spoke]

But you need the OP weapon

[left hatch]

wait so that no forging in M+ means no corruption-forged?

[warm plinth]

No, it means no war/titanforging

[left hatch]

gotcha ok

[warm plinth]

Corruption isn't forging

[exotic spoke]

No Morrison. It will corrupt

[warm plinth]

I mean, it is. But for the purposes of this, it's not

[left hatch]

yah just misunderstood cause corruption is the new 'forging' replacement or stand in or w/e

[warm plinth]

I thought the weapons everyone was talking about were just weapons that dropped with that effect, not something that can proc on all weapons

[frosty holly]

Man... sucks VR still isn't working. More so when GM i poked about it last time said it was a bug

Death Knight gets a procced death strike from it give me mah VR back xD

[left hatch]

don't hte weapons drop like that? was my understanding that they were preset to drop corrupted

[oblique garnet]

Pretty sure the weapons had the effect as drop

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that's what I thought too

It is a corrupted effect, but it's fixed to those specific weapons afaik

[exotic spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

More reason for mythic raiding

[left hatch]

yah that 1-h will be almost required for M+

[warm plinth]

I mean, not really. If you're trying to min/max to do like +20s and shit, yeah. But it's not going to be gamebreaking for the average person

[tame garden]

Riki wants to do 20s+ without raiding tho so it's relevant

[warm plinth]

He'll be able to do 20s at some point. Just not week 1 probably. And a single weapon isn't going to be the deciding factor; that's why I said min/maxing

[exotic spoke]

Speg wins a Probablyriki hug

[left hatch]

idk, depending on how often it procs a 30k aoe effect proc is really potent

[warm plinth]

Like yeah, it's good. But that's like saying the tank doing 5k less DPS means you aren't clearing the dungeon. It's just not true.

[left hatch]

maybe not required but, its a pretty big deal

[tame garden]

Yes in reality your gear as a non mythic raider a couple months into the season will only hold you back 1 or 2 key levels

[exotic spoke]

But it isn’t just the weapon. It would take a minimum of 12 weeks to get full mythic level gear IF I get a new slot every week

[warm plinth]

That's a more important point.

[exotic spoke]

But I may not be able to use all of it anyway

What if I get Mythic with corruption in every slot and can’t use it right away

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm not thrilled with that. Especially Blizz going "but it's okay because if you get that incredible item, you can gimp it for free so it's equippable!"

[exotic spoke]

Obviously an extreme - but more accurate would be getting a third or fourth piece and not being able to use it

[warm plinth]

But then when you're actually able to equip it because you got your resistance high enough, it's now not corrupted

[left hatch]

imho purification should just disable the affix, and you can turn it back into corrupted

when you get the resistance

[exotic spoke]

Yeah pretty much

[warm plinth]

Yeah I agree Morrison

Should just suppress it until you can equip it safely

[left hatch]

adds in that 'player agency' they've been using as a buzzword too, cause now you have the option of corrupting everything in low keys or raids to tear through shit, and purifying it for progression or harder content

[warm plinth]

I'm very thankful I don't pug though; can you imagine those people who did no research on anything and walk into a dungeon with their RNG 60 corruption

[frosty holly]

"guys this thing is chasing me all over what do i do?"

[warm plinth]

Nah this is gonna be fun as fuck on sang week though

[lusty grotto]

am i late to the party

[warm plinth]

Not sure if you guys saw, but that's what the 20 corruption effect looks like now

Good luck seeing any fuckin mechanics through that

[lusty grotto]

i just see a get the fuck out hole

[warm plinth]

Yeah but, you know, pugs

Also, apparently purification is not free, despite them saying it would be 🙃

[left hatch]

doesn't it cost a super trivial amount of momento currency?

[warm plinth]

5 cents is still not free 🤷

[left hatch]

true

[frosty holly]

btw is the big ass pool seen by all or only the person pooping out?

[left hatch]

irrc party wide

[frosty holly]

Aa

[warm plinth]

I don't think so; pretty sure it's unique to the person who is at that level of corruption. Otherwise you could literally have an entire boss room covered on some fights which would be dumb as hell. Plus imagine raiding if you could see all 20 people's corruption lol

How would you ever do mechanics if the entire floor is covered

Not to mention the havoc it would wreak on people with less-than-amazing PCs

[left hatch]

Yah, the initial write up of corruption effects had it as 'party members' taking damage from it too, but the guide now says its personal

Still gonna be a pain having to reposition for melee who drop puddles on boss, when you can't even see their puddles

[warm plinth]

Still skeptical about these effects though; I main a melee DPS and having to continuously move out of these puddles sounds awful

Like what about fights like Kragg in FH where every little movement has an impact. And yeah, your point of like...how would you move a boss effectively so melee can still DPS

Just sounds dumb as hell all around tbh

[tame garden]

Imagine overseer korgus

With the clouds

Impossible

[warm plinth]

They aren't clouds anymore. The cloud has been replaced by that obnoxious black pool I pasted above

[tame garden]

Sorry

Imagine overseer korgus

With the obnoxious black pools

Impossible

[warm plinth]

Yep

Don't stand in cross ignition

WHAT CROSS IGNITION

[left hatch]

even if the corruption system is a complete shitshow, I am really glad blizz is actually trying something though. I'd much rather have failed experiments at finding something new than just stagnating in the TF/WF system

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/ttq4.gif

[warm plinth]

Yeah but like...it's just frustrating because they should see the obvious issues with something like that

[distant crystal]

corruption is lit

[warm plinth]

Like half the mechanics in the game are don't stand in x

So let's make one of these affixes be a puddle so you can't see x

[exotic spoke]

You can control where it goes btw

So that dps don’t have to move

[distant crystal]

huh?

you can control where the corruption puddle goes?

it's like a timer or something and you just go out to drop it?

[exotic spoke]

Where crossfire goes

[tidal sleet]

that doesn't really help with the rng puddles though....

and you can't see other people's puddle so, no real way to attempt to crossfire around that mech

some dungeons at a certain level we won't be able to run corrupted gear effectively with the current blackout puddle

[exotic spoke]

I thought the corruption only effected you. And further - if you. Can see the corruption and you know where crossfire is then you’re good

[analog zinc]

what ess would y'all take to raid

[tidal sleet]

literally a picture of what the corrupted puddle looks like only a little above us

[exotic spoke]

Cof major, null minor, vision minor

[tidal sleet]

that will take the entire corner the melee/tank uses in that fight

[exotic spoke]

@tidal sleet yes I know. But that’s only your corruption I though

[tidal sleet]

it's large, and you can't see ground effects under it, you'll have to fullly leave the area to gaurantee you won't get hit

more dps loss then, just not running above a certain level of corruption

[exotic spoke]

And again, you can plan where crossfire is so you can dodge it with out seeing it

[analog zinc]

dont have vision minor

[exotic spoke]

I’m saying you don’t need to see crossfire. It is predictable

[analog zinc]

fuck i mean nullif minor

[tidal sleet]

regardless of how you're playing the crossfire, and the puddle will not spawn consistently.... I mean you ahve to see the issue here... you will have to move out of your puddle and going sideways or inward is hardly an option...

hyou can't face tank the corurption pool as things are now

[exotic spoke]

I mean - it depends on how much corruption you use. It depends on the dungeon. It depends on timing

It depends on so much that it’s not worth worry about yet

That said, I don’t think it’ll be as bad as it sounds since there are a lot of things you c an Do to avoid it even in fights like korgath or whatever the fuck his face is

[tidal sleet]

I honestly think some dungeons we will be able to run a higher level of corruption since it won't be as detrimental to the current mechanics, and some we may have to take some off. But yes, a bit early to conjecture perhaps.

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's predictable but that doesn't mean that the majority of players are going to dodge it lol

You can't just look at it from a high key runner PoV

The average player is going to get insta-gibbed by every single cross ignition because they couldn't see it

[terse dragon]

Has anyone tested Victory Rush with explosives?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I did earlier. Still broken.

[queen prism]

How do you guys feel about prot warriors vs guardian druids?

High keys

[tame garden]

[chilly brook]

Y’all see the rewards going up to +15 now next season?

@queen prism what kind of a question is that?

Bear is perfectly viable but warrior is arguably either S tier with monk rn or in A tier

[queen prism]

a question that you just answered. thanks for making me want to kill myself

@chilly brook

[chilly brook]

Wat

Wanting to kill yourself over how I responded or the state of bear?

[modern brook]

Bears are fucking dumb tbh

Hands for for clapping the ground not for flailing 4head

[fossil nimbus]

For azerite...is ilvl always worth, or do traits matter.

[chilly brook]

I’m so confused by that statement Bull

@fossil nimbus typically ilvl

Your first DC trait though is worth sacrificing ilvl for but not a whole lot

Typically just one difficulty level is worth sacrificing so 15ilvl no more though

[fossil nimbus]

Feels bad. Dropping BoM/BFI for Bloodsport and Swirling sands.

[strong forum]

It do be like that sometime

[fossil nimbus]

Alright, advise me on how to gear up my c'thraxxi pauldrons that I just got por favor. For M+ only. Bloodsport or Iron Fortress? Swirling Sands or DC (2nd stack of DC, have on helm), OP vs Lifespeed.

[chilly brook]

Prolly IF

[fossil nimbus]

I already have IFx1 as well, if that matters.

[chilly brook]

Nah I’d go with IF and swirling sands

Bloodsport is good but not as good as IF

And OP is definitely the move

[spice ferry]

what could you put on your helm instead of having 2 dc's?

[fossil nimbus]

Dagger in the back.

[chilly brook]

I’d go with that tbh

[spice ferry]

^

[chilly brook]

DC really isn’t worth stacking

[warm plinth]

Wait what

[fossil nimbus]

Dagger in the back > Swirling Sands?

[chilly brook]

No

[warm plinth]

Why would you go dagger in the back? 🤔

[fossil nimbus]

Seemed like the wrong move to me as well, I think the timing of the "I'd go with that tbh" comment is probably just conincidental.

So IF/Swirling/OP.

[warm plinth]

Swirling is good

[chilly brook]

Nah I’d go with dagger in the back over a second DC

[warm plinth]

Er, pretty sure the sims assume you're attacking from behind

[fossil nimbus]

Well, it's effectively Dagger in the Back vs. Swirling Sands,

Without stacking DC.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, swirling sands, easy

[chilly brook]

Swirling in that case

[fossil nimbus]

ty, all.

[chilly brook]

@warm plinth I ran dagger on my BrM, it was fine

[warm plinth]

Better than a 2nd DC in M+ though???

No way

[chilly brook]

Not on trash damage sure 😉

Point still remains though most of the time second DC isn’t worth compared to other options

[tame garden]

3rd shoulder roll no BoM

4/6 chance btw

nice game

[exotic spoke]

Feels bad man

What about your chest?

[limpid pawn]

hey, i switched with my DK tank on queens court because it was tough surviving the obey/suffer + zealous eruption

is there any tank here - prot war tank - who goes full offensive that regularly survives that phase?

switched so that I start on the male boss and I end up safe during that phase lol

[grand drum]

can you skip Zul or do you have to kill him to finish KR?

[sick sentinel]

445 non socketed belt or a 435 identical socketed

[terse dragon]

@grand drum can only skip with a dh

[warm plinth]

The boss gate is closed until you kill him; only way to skip is like Msv said. DH has to go past him (can sneak past by jumping over the brazier on the side of the hallway) and jump up on to a little outcropping on the wall and fel rush over the boss gate

Then DH dies, and gate opens when DH dies to boss

Also, they removed the thing I hated most about 8.3, the paragon trait /dance

[sick sentinel]

@limpid pawn I take zealous and survive pretty easily. Need to be diligent about holding wall and calling for externals

[sharp rover]

@fossil nimbus Save the C'Thraxxi pauldrons for Fury, they're BiS

On that note, I'm itemized for fury rather than prot so I've got tons of crit but very little versatility and mastery with middling haste. Is that a big problem?

[warm plinth]

Not really. If your goal is parsing then maybe

[sick sentinel]

Dagger in the back blows

Mobs are always going to be facing you

Dc is def better over dagger no matter whay

What

Dh doesnt have to die @warm plinth ???

You just thunder clap the boss when it gets to the wall and youll pull him through

[sharp rover]

How do I stop taking a trillion damage from severing blade in KR?

[sick sentinel]

Just don't tank it

Interrupt spectral bolts

Gg

[sharp rover]

I just did a +10 and almost 12% of the damage I took over the total dungeon was from that one spell

How do you not tank it?

Stun them?

[sick sentinel]

Just don't tqnk it

The closest target is who it hits

Not the tank

[warm plinth]

Closest target assuming tank isn’t within about 8ish yards anyway. But the play is to either have a pet eat it, have someone dodge it or eat it, or worst case you can stun after leap and it’ll at least let the first stack drop before you get another.

[sharp rover]

Letting your DPS tank it instead sounds dangerous

[left hatch]

it ignores armor

[warm plinth]

Doesn’t hurt them any more than you

[left hatch]

so its not that big a deal to let them soak 1 stack apiece

[warm plinth]

Better than you getting trucked by multiple stacks

[sharp rover]

Fair enough

[wintry furnace]

Hopefully an easy question. If I macro together last Stand and Anima of death, with last Stand cast first, will the heath increase trigger before the aoe, or should I keep them separate and just cast it after. I don't have time to test it right now.

[inland bolt]

have they fixed victory rush to give procs when killing orbs in M+?

[warm plinth]

No @inland bolt

Should work properly as long as LS is in the macro first Taezilyn. Why use Anima major though?

[wintry furnace]

I don't have VoP and while I know that I could use the dps fire one, I'm still new to M+ tanking so the extra health and heals is a nice extra cover for me.

[warm plinth]

Should get VoP ASAP. Anima is fine but VoP is better by a long shot.

[wintry furnace]

Yeah. My normal group has fallen apart and pugs are rough. I'm doing what I can and keep an eye open for groups stuck on the last few bosses. If legion is to be followed, I'm hoping that it splits to heroic and it's easier to farm next patch

[warm plinth]

Well, it's going to be split, but not sure the requirements for obtaining the essence are going to change

[wintry furnace]

Yeah. It's a wait and see thing. I'm doing what I can. Right now I'm using Anima, MoLD, and concentrated.

[sick sentinel]

chain of suffering a good trinket?

[warm plinth]

It's great, if you ever need it. But that's not super likely.

[sick sentinel]

rocking bloodthuirsty urchin and rezan

so prob not lol

[potent anvil]

I got a 450 chain of suffering

It could be good for something like tyran Rezan 🤔

Also, if you run engi helm and use absorbotron, you can just link it to it.

[distant crystal]

but

wouldn't that

do nothing

lol

[potent anvil]

Uh, it'll take 100% of the dmg I think? I did it before and it kinda died in like 3 seconds. But I lived so

[distant crystal]

absorbotron already takes 100% of the dmg until it dies no?

[potent anvil]

50%

They had it nerfed some time ago.

[sage path]

Is there a good replacement for Urchin? didn’t work and I don’t think my tank will get a urchin ready for key pushes next week after trying for one for almost 10 weeks.

Not that it matters but in event that we push to time 23 keys, it’ll be pretty huge in terms of survivability.

[potent anvil]

Outside of raid? Probably Rezan's.