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sick sentinel
drifting breach
Just started gearing my prot warr, in general what are best essences? Visions major, lucid minor and what for 3rd?
For m+
Not raid
left hatch
for minors its some combo of Conflict and Strife, Sphere of Suppression, and Lucid
CnS can be subbed out for Aegis if you don't have ityet
drifting breach
I have rank 2 aegis. So in general if I run visions , lucid and aegis i should be fine? Started grinding mech rep for the essence for dungeons with more magic damage like shrine or kr
left hatch
Null is highly situational, and aegis is... ok but not optimal
you need to constantly be in combat with... 6 targets i think for it to be comparable to CnS
drifting breach
Blah I honestly hate grinding out strife, already did it on my sham, I just hate pvp lol. I don’t really plan on pushing too high of keys on prot though maybe like 18/19 max. Mainly just gearing it for my key sale group bc we lack tanks
left hatch
yah i don't blame you, the pvp grind is rough
Sphere is a easier grind, especially with the anniversary BG
and i think that thats better than Aegis
mostly because it still has value against bosses
and you only need rank 2, rank 3 just gives speed
drifting breach
Hmm good idea. I can probably grind out rank 2 at least this week
Does the anniversary event end on reset?
left hatch
ends in january
drifting breach
Oh shit that’s easy then lol thanks for the help
left hatch
no problem
mental scarab
sick sentinel
Okay so I played with conflict major
And I really liked it
There was one major problem
I couldn't chainpull
Or like, I could but it sucked
hallow phoenix
I've always liked cns major when I've run it
sick sentinel
Anyone getting sockets on their corrupted gear in PTR?
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel it really does feel awful when you try to combine 2 pulls thats why i pop avatar late while making big pulls with conflict
it feels bad to use clap and feels not to aswell xd
in UR it helps alot with swarmer actualy
I used it in UR as well
and I LOVED it in TD
but for the love of god do not use it in ml
exotic rapids
Do you guys use Potion of Superior Strength or Potion of Unbrideld Fury for ST?
fossil nimbus
Unbridled fury
candid ledge
Hi all, I am about to tank 3/8M on my alt war. What I dont remember is how to rotate Shivara after her volley
Could someone help me out
light fulcrum
Hey, I need help with an item-decision: Protecting Bit Band 425 (402 haste, 100 mastery) or Murky Cerulean Signet 440 (378 crit, 151 mastery). Rule of thumb seem to be to go for ilevel, but is the gained stamina really worth dropping 400 haste?
rapid jewel
if you drop below 1500 haste, i would say no
light fulcrum
is that 1500 haste with or without Into the fray buff?
ah, its only +%, i see, dumb question XD
strong forum
@candid ledge i never rotated her at all
Just stand where she spawns, depending on what you get frost/venom just stand slightly to that side
And thats about it
Tank swap on every barrage, drop you shit then proceed as usual
candid ledge
Ah alright, my guild did it that way when we were clearing it
exotic spoke
Sup guys
strong forum
👋 🌊
warm plinth
👋 @exotic spoke
ember nova
steep wraith
If I have 25% parry and 75% crit block chance, does it mean I will always critically block with shield block up or is it 56.25% of the time?
warm plinth
Those rolls are done separately. I think parry/dodge rolls are done first, then if you don't parry/dodge, you will 100% block (since Shield Block is up), and then that block has a 75% chance to be a crit block.
Crit block is technically a chance on top of a chance. Shield Block just makes one of those chances 100% (the normal block)
steep wraith
Thanks. So end results would be 25% parry, 56.25% crit block and then 18.75% just normal block.
warm plinth
Well, dodge would be in there as well, but yeah if you were looking at general avoidance as a whole 100% pie, that's how it would work out
sick sentinel
a 415 during timewalking gets a vdh up to 50% dodge
they become literally invincible
because they get like 40% party AND 50% dodge and they just refuse to take any damage
warm plinth
lol
sand egret
I want that red card
warm plinth
You're a red card
sick sentinel
I want your v card
serene gorge
which defensive stats is better? haste or versa?
warm plinth
Haste
serene gorge
thanks
also, urchin's kinda useless this week isn't it?
i'm trying to venture into tanking
warm plinth
It's less useful, for sure.
Btw defensively, more stats are better than certain stats; the "better" stats only come into play at equal ilevels
serene gorge
so a 430 ring that gives haste and versa is worse than a 455 ring that gives mastery and crit with a socket?
defensively
warm plinth
Yes
serene gorge
awesome thank you
rapid jewel
but really low haste value kinda feels like shit, i would try to maintain min 1400 haste
serene gorge
i'm at 1700 haste 900 versa 700 mastery 500 crit
strong forum
Sockets are insane
On rings
Get more crit if you can @serene gorge
You have great stats for raiding, but for m+ you want tons of crit and haste
serene gorge
how much is good enough?
strong forum
30% parry is a nice point to be
serene gorge
30% isn't like 2k crit
serene gorge
i'm at 1.07k and have 13% parry
serene gorge
strong forum
Your parry is at 28.5%
serene gorge
i would imagine that vial's good also because of the armor right?
warm plinth
You're thinking way too defensively for a warrior tbh
The only defensive choices we really make are trinkets. The rest is mostly offensive or offensive choices that just happen to be strong defensively as well.
serene gorge
i'm about to jump on a +18 tanking for the first time
i'm afraid
that's why i'm thinking defensively
warm plinth
Why in the world would you do an 18 your first time tanking
serene gorge
for fun
distant crystal
cause he's a man
serene gorge
this week isn't push week anyway
warm plinth
Having Shield Block up and using CDs like you're supposed to is way more important than any gear choice you can make
serene gorge
oh i've tanked a couplke keys before but never a high key
i tank for carries and stuff
strong forum
Well technically every week is push week
warm plinth
oh okay
I thought you meant like welp, been DPSing since vanilla, let's tank this 18
sand egret
big stoneform week
warm plinth
Dwarf master race
serene gorge
i know i'm asking a lot but which of this trinks combinations are better for defense?
strong forum
Fireblood
serene gorge
vial's 450
strong forum
:angery:
distant crystal
ew
warm plinth
On horde I have to settle for the inferior Mag'har Orc 😦
strong forum
Vial is good, take block + rezan or block + vial
warm plinth
Butcher block and Rezan probably
strong forum
Defo take block
warm plinth
Parry for necrotic week is even better
strong forum
Vial is good for pumping
serene gorge
k
warm plinth
Also how do I only have barely more parry than you Nome
strong forum
Idk cuz I don't keep up with my stats
1.8k haste 1.X crit
That's about all I know
warm plinth
I have 1531 crit and am at 31% parry
warm plinth
My haste is lower than I'd like
Only 1406
But idgaf really
I'm big boy woyer, stats are for losers
I have crit on every piece except weapon and trinkets
warm plinth
That's a lot of mastery
warm plinth
I'm at 1531 1406 470 660
sterile cobalt
hey, i've been playing Mage since vanilla but now try and play warrior as a tank. wondered if anyone can recommend how to get good with a 120 boost??
just play and follow guide's at youtube? 🙂
strong forum
Icyveins guide is a good place to start
warm plinth
Video guides get outdated quickly. Read the icy-veins guide
strong forum
Read it, absorb it
Then adapt it
For specific questions you're welcome to ask here
sterile cobalt
okey ty 🙂
strong forum
General tip is, warrior is a pro-active tank.
Meaning you do stuff before taking dmg.
Meaning you will try to reduce incoming damage as efficient as possible.
After taking damage you can't do alot
sterile cobalt
ah, okey then i understand a bit more 🙂 ty for helping a noob warrior so far 🙂
azure sapphire
Hey guys, for M+, which would be better to use? I'm assuming pods for the heal but not 100%
distant crystal
azure sapphire
dope
strong forum
I'm hoping you got the meme
azure sapphire
Nope - mostly in the fury chat, but I'm assuming they're universally garbage but n00bs think they're amazing?
strong forum
So you read the name of the emote okay good, sporepods are rng af for pve and unreliable, good for pvp cuz you aren't full hp all the time.
azure sapphire
Gotcha, I was thinking phail for other reasons but good to know. I just OS tnak for friend m+'s
Thanks for the advice 🙂
strong forum
Phial is technically not desirable for m+ cuz it's potential lies in getting 6 stacks from 1 target to have many procs, then use the buffed up version to slap in aoe
But that's unrealistic af
But it's still like 1-1.5k dps in m+ so I PERSONALLY don't think it's that bad tbh
azure sapphire
It's probably better for prot than my razor coral lol
Otherwise I have a 420 utility pylon.
distant crystal
wdym coral slaps
warm plinth
Doesn't it basically give you a bunch of static crit essentially? Since you get the stacks automatically when the mob dies?
distant crystal
yeah if you're pulling fairly quickly you'll get good use out if it in the next pack
it also does a pretty decent amount of dmg when you proc stacks on it
warm plinth
I'll proc your stacks
distant crystal
like yeah this is a rogue but look at the coral dmg portion compared to inkpod
almost half the dmg of arguably the best dmg proc trinket + a bunch of crit on top of that
warm plinth
I think it just gets a bad rap because the crit isn't a visible increase on meters
strong forum
Coral is 200-300 crit on a 20 sec cd...
distant crystal
and damage...
warm plinth
You get the crit automatically when the mob dies though, without having to use it again
strong forum
Ye but it's so little
warm plinth
So you basically just use it in every pack and have static crit throughout the dungeon
strong forum
Ah tru
distant crystal
this week i'm running block/coral tho
strong forum
Idk I dont see coral doing good unless 20+
distant crystal
gimme all that parry
strong forum
Cuz adds just die instantly and you get 1-2 stacks per pack tops
Most of coral dmg is on bosses
Just like inkpod
distant crystal
inkpod does the same dmg on low hp mobs as it does on high hp
relatively
it just doesn't scale with multitarget well
but it's so busted on st that it's still decent on mt
strong forum
Well inkpod only gets good value on high hp
strong forum
On low shit it just procs once for 16-50k
distant crystal
it should do about the same
on average
unless you're ripping coral with it on the big hp
coral + inkpod is what gets you bonus value on high hp mobs
strong forum
Whereas I had a 500k proc on 1 boss, doing 1/3rd of overall dmg
strong forum
Idk... I'm running block + inkpod this week
( tbf I don't play alot of keys anymore cuz fuck bfa).
distant crystal
like i tried running phial/coral for some keys
and coral did more dmg than phial
without factoring the crit
lmao
distant crystal
there's a bunch of bosses that cuck your inkpod tho in keys
and some coral too
like last boss ML
or 2nd boss ToS
tho i did have inkpod pop on first boss ML while he had bombs
- coral rip + bote >:D
warm plinth
So looking at logs, 21 KR they had 36% uptime on coral buff, mostly 1 stack. Same with a 21 Shrine. Mostly 1 stack. And then the damage proc was about 1% overall damage. That does seem kinda meh since 1 stack even at 445 is only like 1.6% crit. vs. something like butcher block that has like 25-30% uptime on upwards of 10% crit, and that's only at 400 ilevel (can't see higher than that in journal)
strong forum
Is it now
warm plinth
So that's about 12.5%
strong forum
And roughly 30% uptime
warm plinth
Yeah
distant crystal
i guess edict is still p decent this week
better than urchin
since it'll get used before you get significant necro stacks
serene gorge
broke the 18 by 2 minutes
warm plinth
Hey that's not bad though
serene gorge
but hey i didn't had any struggle :D
warm plinth
What key was it?
serene gorge
TD
distant crystal
i hate TD
warm plinth
Definitely not bad then. Easily the worst fuckin dungeon of the expansion
serene gorge
i got the first 5 packs on the first room and died after a couple seconds heh
distant crystal
you really gotta have a good plan and execute it well for using the cannon
serene gorge
yeah bro i'm not a pussy
distant crystal
i think people only do that with a frost mage kiter lol
just making laps whittling it downn
warm plinth
🙃
serene gorge
we had earthen elemental, a ring of peace and a typhoon
distant crystal
i really wanna try that on my mage
warm plinth
Elemental probably dies so fast to that much trash though
serene gorge
frost mage u can go wild on the cannons
distant crystal
get some rogues tricksing to the mage, and mage just chuckking orbs/blizzard/lances
warm plinth
I wanna know more about these blizzardlances
distant crystal
:|
warm plinth
But yeah you fuck up kiting that pull and you're done for lol
One squeeze at a bad time and you're getting fucked up
Plus you gotta control bursting stacks this week which doesn't sound overly fun to me
distant crystal
i think they'll sorta naturally stagger
but i guess you could get unluck
the big thing is you need the right emissaries out there
or it's not possible
warm plinth
First and last boss are the real challenge this week anyway I guess lol
I think this week is just the 2 enchanteds and I'm pretty sure you can avoid pulling both of them if you're careful
distant crystal
nerf on titanforge podcast 
strong forum
Nerf is amazing at playing dungeons, not great at classes
distant crystal
you're just jealous of his leech
strong forum
Clearly
distant crystal
I still have this weird trifecta of belt options
kinda leaning more toward the leech one these days cause haste
brittle owl
belt is a very easy slot to asses
distant crystal
distant crystal
dun dun dunnnnnn
i been using the eternity belt mostly
it sims highest deeps
serene gorge
is haste the best offensive stat aswell?
brittle owl
azure sapphire
For essences in general in M+'s should I be using Vision as prim and aegis/lucid as secondaries ( genericly, not for specific dungs)
azure sapphire
yee. though I don't really do pvp and grinding spare crates is annoying af lol
mild river
So did anyone try the new essences on PTR? Are they good? Crap?
junior ivy
Hi
undone sun
hi
left hatch
Two seem crap, theres a buff one whenever someone uses their major power that seem pretty good, especially because it gives corruption resistance so you can have more free corrupted gear bonus’
rapid jewel
overall the new raid jsut isn't very warrior friendly, shitload of magic and dot damage to be honest
monk with new weapon looks OP as fuck to be honest
probally both tank will be forced into the new Spark of inspiration to buff raid damage
exotic spoke
hi @junior ivy
void hill
is the 430 worth swapping to?
drowsy viper
So, for the memes, is there a bis timewalking set anywhere
rapid jewel
@void hill upgrade benthic to 425 and keep it
void hill
@rapid jewel sound logic
sick sentinel
Should I use urchin this week?
sharp night
tanks can't use spark of inspiration @rapid jewel it's a dps only essence
the tank one is strength of the warden
honest plinth
@azure sapphire cns also
mild river
That means we have no choice next patch? VoP forever (it's receiving a 12% buff)?
chilly brook
@distant crystal worst dungeon this xpac is KR imo
terse wedge
Can you get lvl3 null barrier without owning level 2 one?
mild river
I don't think you can
brisk ferry
You can't. It isn't available at the vendor til you buy rank 2
ripe mason
Is there anything I can do against Necrotic or do I just have to try and get someone in my group who has a good slow so I can kite?
brisk ferry
Or pally bubble
sweet summit
shockwave -> leap?
ripe mason
In packed dungeons like Motherload with Beguiling it's hard to find a place to leap without pulling more.
fossil nimbus
If you have an r druid, ursols. Ring of peace if you have a monk. Trees if you have a boomie.
Sphere of suppression is a decent minor this week.
void hill
How do you deal with bursting stacks at the end of a pull
i just did an atal and died 4 times at the end of the pull
sweet summit
make the healer pump more, or reset necrotic stacks earlier
void hill
is there a good way to reset recrotic in a pug?
void hill
Is Tiragard Sharp the best health regen between pulls
warm plinth
From a vendor, yeah.
Mage food is better. And the fish feast from Darkmoon Faire is the best.
void hill
Yea, i get mage food when i can
but yea i mean vendor
okay next newbie question what's the best way to track interupts and casts
i have an interupt tracker for the group but what about just dealing with the mobs
warm plinth
Like knowing what to interrupt?
void hill
i see streamers who have big cast bars and so that say they set a focus traget
know what to interrupt i just knowing the dungeon i guess, im just talking about being efficient with stuff.
warm plinth
Probably best not to overthink it tbh. As a tank you're pretty free to switch targets when you need to so I don't think a focus macro is as necessary for kicks for you
sand egret
i just look for cast bars personally, i think it's just best in general to attempt to be hyper-aware of what is cast so you get in the habit of noticing. Reacting is straight-forward
warm plinth
It's nice for DPS because you can prioritize the right target but still get your kick off
LittleWigs is pretty good about announcing important trash mob casts as well.
void hill
okay what about tracking cd's to know how big of a pull is okay
sand egret
personal cds?
void hill
i'm using dbm currently havent made the switch yet
warm plinth
Tehr's Raid CDs or Nnogga's Party CD are good
sand egret
or your groups? for the latter there is a WA
void hill
groups
sand egret
see: above
warm plinth
Depending on if you prefer text or icons
rapid jewel
exorsus raid tools have has nice cd tracking for everything, from kicks over def and offensive
void hill
i use tehr's kick tracker or w/e it's nice
Do you guys use Plater? I have threatplates
warm plinth
I use Plater
sand egret
i have conceded that keeping track of bleed snapshots is not something i like doing manually
warm plinth
Ah yes, feral. The one spec that still snapshots (I think it's the only one anyway)
warm plinth
What do you need to track on a bear tank? The GCD?
CAN I PUSH SWIPE AGAIN YET? Lol of course you can
rapid jewel
there is a nice unit marker WA for M+, when you are in voice its make it easier to communicate which target your are kicking
sand egret
lol mostly for overlapping IF windows
warm plinth
That's fair
warm plinth
Is it worth casting Maul yet?
sand egret
[in st absolutely
warm plinth
Didn't they change something about Maul not that long ago? Reduced rage cost or something?
void hill
@rapid jewel what WA is it?
@warm plinth Plater seems to stack up nicely, my threatpates can get a little all over the place in big groups
warm plinth
Yeah it's pretty good.
void hill
would anyone mind going over some logs?
coral marsh
hi guys, how do you play around necrotic and bursting?
warm plinth
Please, post them so we can judge 🙊
Reset early so bursting doesn't happen when you're already low
coral marsh
how many stacks is early?
warm plinth
It's more like what level of health is early tbh lol
I don't really look at stacks too much. It's more based on how stable my HP is
rapid jewel
Usually I burst through until the end of demoshout or avatar depending on my health. After that Our dmg drops anyway
warm plinth
Okay no judgment here
But how in the world do you have more casts of Revenge than Thunder Clap. And how is it even close
exotic spoke
Sup
warm plinth
There's a glitch in the Matrix
void hill
tbh i usually just revenge when it procs
exotic spoke
@coral marsh typically it depends on the key / key level for me. But some dungeons I’m comfortable going to 30-40 stacks. Others 20.
It changes every pull depending on how many mobs, their health left at the time I see an opening, and the amount of magic damage
warm plinth
Yeah I do opportunity resets too; e.g. in Freehold if I get thrown, I'll take that opportunity to reset (unless I'm like super low stacks or something)
coral marsh
i never did necrotic really, how easy is it to reset? is one nitro boost enough?
warm plinth
@void hill You're not pushing Avatar nearly enough
coral marsh
its +15
void hill
i also only have visions 1
warm plinth
In the beginning of that dungeon you had 2+ minute gaps between your first 4 Avatars
Doesn't matter; you literally had more time between them than the normal cooldown before Anger Management even comes into play
rapid jewel
@void hill your avatar uptime is to low, resulting in low clap count, resulting in to much revenge spam. Your SB casts are on the lowside, same goes for last stand. You should fix the avatar / clap issue fast, before you train bad muscle memory
exotic spoke
@coral marsh it’s really dependent on what dungeon and your group. There are a lot of pulls where I don’t reset necrotic at all. Purely because mobs are about to die and if it’s mostly physical damage with our toolkit we don’t take much damage
So we don’t need to be healed much
rapid jewel
Make an annoying WA for avatar, so you will use it more.
warm plinth
Yeah you go very long periods without Shield Block up as well.
rapid jewel
make it bigger, glowy and jumping
void hill
lol
exotic spoke
37.62% uptime was a little low before vision was introduced. Now 50%+
Is what people usually have
void hill
okay
coral marsh
can you outrange bursting?
exotic spoke
Yes you can Adrenalin
warm plinth
Not realistic to do so in most situations though
exotic spoke
@void hill more last stand to help cover gaps in shield block. Usually the best starting point is 3 SB > last stand and repeat/. Fill in gasp of LS with other things
void hill
yea, that's what im trying to do just need to get better
rapid jewel
@void hill Dont try to fix every issue at once, try to fix avatar / clap first. Come back tomorrow, when you get that down
void hill
when you say fill gap of LS do you mean other cooldowns?
warm plinth
Last Stand is basically shield block from a defensive standpoint
coral marsh
thanks
void hill
right
warm plinth
So you can do 3x Shield Block > Last Stand > 3x Shield Block
void hill
yes that's what i try and do
warm plinth
After that, you have to use other things to mitigate damage (if the fight is long enough)
rapid jewel
no, you will have gaps where you have either SB or LS, there you want to pull small or use other def
coral marsh
which essences would you take this week for motherload?
warm plinth
So you can fill in the gap with Shield Wall or a healer external
exotic spoke
There will be times when you can’t last stand after 3 SB
warm plinth
Yeah, you won't always have it available, so you have to use something else.
And, no offense, but you might be trying to do that but it's not really happening. And Shield Block/Last Stand usage is the most important thing you should be doing properly. No Shield Block and you're gonna drop like a stone.
Like this is what a DK's HP should look like, not a warrior's.
warm plinth
Like this is my warrior from a freehold (my low points were being a little too gung ho and not kiting when I should've lol)
And I'm far from a great warrior; just ask Riki
exotic spoke
I wish I had logs from last night. Though mine would look different because I was running with an rdruid who spent most of his time as a kitty
And we were sloppy - just blowing up and killing everything in 14-16 keys for fun
warm plinth
Gotta get Loggerhead
Makes it so I don't have to remember to log; just have to remember to upload before it's so big I have to split it XD
exotic spoke
The rdruid usually logs but didn’t last night. And I was lazy
warm plinth
Loggerhead is great; basically the first time you enter a dungeon on a certain difficulty, it asks if you want to log that. Once you've done them all on M+, it just auto logs any time you start a key
And stops when you leave the dungeon
void hill
what are some numbers or percents i should be shooting for
rapid jewel
avatar > 50%, sb + ls uptime > 80%
exotic spoke
Don’t worry about break points / certain percentages to shoot for
warm plinth
Avatar should be at 50%+ uptime, even with R1. Demo uptime is good already; you're doing well with that. Shield Block should be around 50% (on a log; in-game it'll be higher because Details doesn't track downtime)
exotic spoke
Sorry, I thought you meant stats
rapid jewel
haste try to get around 1450 at least so you can do 3 SB without gabs, lower just feels bad in my opinion
exotic spoke
That is entirely opinion because more stats is just better though
Ideally more haste - but don’t sacrifice Ilvl
rapid jewel
quick navigation entchant is better then force multiplier when you have low haste
void hill
okay
great info guys ty
i picked a heck of a week to learn to tank m+ on warrior
lol
warm plinth
Yeah this is definitely one of my least favorite weeks to tank
But as a warrior it's better than some other specs lol
exotic spoke
Just run double dps trinkets and have fun
You can’t get necrotic if everything is dead
void hill
One of the things i struggle with too is losing aggro on pull
warm plinth
That's because you're not using Avatar enough
exotic spoke
That’ll change as you get gear too gorb. Do you have your third essence slot too?
rapid jewel
neck level?
void hill
67
warm plinth
You can have Avatar up at the start of just about every pull. That's huge for burst threat.
exotic spoke
More avatar will help. Don’t hit avatar and demo shout back to back either
rapid jewel
also if you avatar + demo on pull, you have 2 gcd with very little aggro. Try using avatar before pull to save a gcd
exotic spoke
Avatar - clap - demo - clap
warm plinth
You don't need to pre-pull Avatar. You can Avatar while you're intercepting and then hit SB+TC when you get there.
void hill
need to go back and watch my vod's because i think im doing these things but clearly im not lol
warm plinth
That's literally the only reason I stream. So I can go back and look at the dumb shit I did so I hopefully don't do them again the next time.
😄
exotic spoke
And so I can mock him
warm plinth
That too
I know I'm an adult when I get psyched that a grocery pickup time popped up on a previously full day so I don't have to go into the store. Or maybe I'm just lazy 🤔
exotic spoke
Probably the latter
warm plinth
On the other hand, is it really so bad to not want to go into a Walmart on a Sunday afternoon?
exotic spoke
That said - enough shit talking for now. Headed out to a bit
warm plinth
Idk how I'll live without your smart ass while you're gone
void hill
luckily my wife does all that
warm plinth
👀
My girlfriend usually does it but I'm off today and she works and we've been living off pizza for the last 3 days
rapid jewel
What setup would you pick for Mythic Azsahra?
hard cypress
Sorry if this is a noob question. I am tanking for M+ dont really plan on doing any raiding. But one thing im not sure of when i should be using is Last Stand. Im running Indomitable just because i dont know when to use Last Stand. Any advice
rapid jewel
@hard cypress its there to fill SB gaps with the talent, nothing more
hard cypress
oh okay
warm plinth
It also has the benefit of making it so people don't make fun of you for running Indom
😏
rapid jewel
Indom is for freehold boosting 🙂
warm plinth
coral marsh
which essences would you take this week for ml 15? i started defaulting to perfect + dream + null, deep seems to be worse almost every time compared to null?
in mdi they always take null as well as far as i saw
warm plinth
Those are fine. ML shouldn't be bad this week other than last 2 bosses like every tyr week
hard cypress
it was more of a "I dont use Last Stand that much because i dont know when i should be using it, so i should use a talent that will be useful all the time:
ripe mason
Does Reckless Flurry affect my auto attacks even though I'm not Fury?
strong forum
yes
crude glen
ys
ripe mason
That's neat.
analog swift
It’s for memeparses
rapid jewel
its decent on zqaul as offtank, since you dont have to do much anyway
blazing condor
is a 440 orgo wep better to have than a 445 sivara wep?
is the on use more valuable
exotic spoke
Mvpg is correct. And regarding RF - yeah it does and yeah I use it on everything up through orgozoa even on progression
lapis kayak
Hi! a guildie of mine is explaining us that warriors had a speed increase on taunt in legion (especially on fallen avatar) that worked like Provoke. As far as I'm aware that wasn't the case. Am I wrong?
cinder fern
It is not the case. I'm fairly certain that's only Provoke.
lapis kayak
Don't remember any tier set/legendaries/artifact ability that allowed you to do that
warm plinth
Yeah that's not a thing. Provoke and Clash are the only taunts that have ever granted increased movement speed to the mob as far as i know.
stark scroll
We did have it but it was tied into another ability I believe, might've been heroic leap
brittle fjord
Yes taunt had increased speed ifirc with battle rage up
Pretty sure it was a talent but having a brain blank
stark scroll
Ahh rage possibly would make sense, yeah it was after using an ability it had no cd and made them go faster
warm plinth
Oh, no
Warlord's Challenge
The talent in Legion. It made taunt have no CD during Zerker Rage and made them move 50% faster while taunted.
brittle fjord
Yes that
stark scroll
Aha there we go, iirc it was situational as there was a talent that was generally better
warm plinth
stark scroll
I don't recall using it very often
warm plinth
You used Warlord's Challenge during Skittish week
stark scroll
Yeah
stark scroll
DHT skittish using it to pick up all those plant dudes and then it was on CD when they got a fear off. Good times 🙃
shut summit
used it with w/e set bonus that made BR give rage too
undone sun
rip
warm plinth
Nah fuck that. RIP Warbringer and Reflective Plating; the only two things that matter!
warm plinth
Well, Warbringer, Reflective Plating, and Sense YT keys
shut summit
miss legion
undone sun
😭
oblique garnet
Nuke legion tbf
blazing condor
2nd boss SOTS where is best positioning? ive seen people use all the way to the left of the circle
to avoid tornados
warm plinth
That's the one that we use. Works great.
As long as tank and DPS are careful with positioning so they don't accidentally get cleaved when the tank has to run the boss to the other side because of rune or ward
sick sentinel
How OP is BDK going to be 8.3
Compared to Prot Warrior
I heard BDK is going to be huge
warm plinth
BDK isn’t even changing in 8.3 are they?
stark scroll
Not that I'm aware of
stark scroll
A weapon that is currently clearly broken in testing, yes
sick sentinel
What if they don't nerf it 🤧
warm plinth
I mean, it’s a good weapon but I doubt it’s gonna be good enough to bridge the pretty big gap between them and us.
warm plinth
The 5% armor is something they need though imo. They got hit a little hard with that nerf
Yeah I know. But it’s clearly not gonna stay that way.
stark scroll
They will nerf it, it's not even a question. Hence why it's on the test realm.
strong forum
If they don't nerf it bdk will be top dps in m+ even among dps specs
So.... It will get nerfed
Doing 800k dps when a normal dps does 200k... Big think
sick sentinel
By how muhc will it tho
rapid jewel
I hope they completly change it. The agi staff with its ~10k dps and HPS looks stupid too
I guess even fury warrior would love to dual wield that shit
chilly brook
@sick sentinel by probably a lot tbh
stark scroll
If you're particularly worried about which tanks going to be best each patch, just have one of each and then you'll never have to worry.
chilly brook
TBH I kinda wish the 1h sword was better
It’ll probably be insane for something like a DH not so much for us since it’s hp based
sick sentinel
I have a druid, Dh and this warrior
warm plinth
Isn’t it a str sword?
sick sentinel
I always wanted a DK anyway
warm plinth
If it’s the one I’m thinking
sick sentinel
I like the playstyle
chilly brook
I think so but I’m not sure if it swaps to agi or not
warm plinth
Ah
Idk I see them either increasing the amount of health needed to trigger the proc, adding an ICD, or both
chilly brook
Probably both
Cuz 100% of your hp pool gets chewed through so many times throughout a fight
And unless they up it to 10x your health pool I don’t see it not triggering too often
rapid jewel
but it was the same with essences, on the first iteration on PTR they where 3-10 x as powerfull as they are now.
fossil nimbus
Man, just endured a toxic AD but was rewarded with a 440 rezans
Boomie not using trees, people refreshing 6-7 bursting stacks. Dying to spiders on last boss. But all worth it.
rapid jewel
Where is the toxic part? Sounds like the basic Pug to me, to be honest 🙂
steep wraith
Probably just add a 1 min CD on the DK weapon damage knowing blizzard
coral marsh
necrotic feels undertuned
maybe just a nice heal but i remember it being a lot more aids when it was magic damage in legion
stark scroll
It's probably more balanced for all tanks now, was a bit stupid that DKs could just ams it
warm plinth
I mean
Now paladin can get rid of it without a talent. Dwarfs/DID can racial it.
It's really less balanced now because it impacts DK more than it did whereas it didn't really change for anyone else.
rapid jewel
What Tank does handle magic damage well?
warm plinth
Define well
rapid jewel
ok, who is the best tank vs magic damage
sick sentinel
Probably monk as they put the damage into a dot and self heal it
warm plinth
DH are pretty strong against magic as well
sick sentinel
With glutt build with DH
It's one of the most tanky tanks you can get
It just lacks all sorts of damage and utility
warm plinth
You think you fancy huh
exotic spoke
SIR! I know I’m fancy
warm plinth
We can just blame the entire server of Ragnaros
@white valley is he in this server? Running out of mana smh
white valley
@warm plinth Bruh did he just blame me for that wipe ?!
What a meme.
If he wasn't taking so much damage, i wouldn't have had to smend spam him so much thus going oom.
warm plinth
I mean, you DID run out of mana
white valley
.<
warm plinth
lol
fossil nimbus
Yeah, DK got hard boned with the necro change. Like, they have zero mobility and now no ability to drop stacks.
frosty vigil
Would you guys use the socket?
grand drum
Use the 435
rapid jewel
shield and weapoms always iLvL, no matter what.
grim nymph
Thoughts on Crystalline Carapace?
spice ferry
what about it
ionic fern
@grim nymph it's nothing special - we are already strong vs physical damage thanks to our toolkit and the damage it does back to the attackers is meh.
raw trail
hey anyone ever tried a divers folly in keys? would it work well for prot?
ionic fern
1)No i haven't tried it cause of all the agi people want it and it's not on our loot table.
2)It has SOME potential on AoE.
ornate magnet
is the alchemy trinket worth to craft?
ionic fern
It's decent - but always depends what other options you have available to you.
loud burrow
Is it possible to obtain Thunderfury in BFA?
spice ferry
yes
loud burrow
Good, thx
frosty spindle
Which are the bis essences for m+? New to prot warr
sweet summit
VoP major, CnS/Aegis/Shpere/Null/Lucid minors
hallow phoenix
Lyari there is also the inflatable thunderfury timewalking consumables
Usable in m+ even and persists through death
fossil nimbus
...I did not realize it persisted through death.
Time to stock up.
How does everyone feel about the Jes Howler trinket? I just got rezans to replace the Howler and I kind of miss it.
hallow phoenix
My howler is 15 ilvls above most of my other stuff so I tend to use it
bold linden
is a 440 briny barnacle worth using over 425 rezan or 425 butcher block in m+ ?
fossil nimbus
Briny is fun in low keys, especially ones with lots of yellow mobs like TD/SoTS. Because you can focus the low HP mobs and reliably chain it.
But off it lacks defensive benefit, and in higher keys those yellow mobs don't reliably die in the window.
wooden radish
@ionic fern 👋
last thistle
I'm thinking about switching to prot warrior main for raiding (from dps), and I was wondering how they fare in Mythic raiding?
cinder fjord
Do y'all recommend 4 or 5 healing Orgo on prog?
Every guide I've read recommends 5 healing for the first couple kills
hallow phoenix
We 5 healed
rapid jewel
@last thistle current raid they are fine. next raid there are better choices in my opinion.
hallow phoenix
I recommend 5 unless you have 4 very good heal CDs
cinder fjord
They say you can 4 heal it once you get more gear etc. We're running 2 RSham, 1 Disc, and 2 Holy Pallies right now
last thistle
@rapid jewel Monk again or are we thinking something else?
rapid jewel
monk I guess, the new corrupted weapon will bost them quite a bit I guess
hallow phoenix
Aidlow what's the average ilvl of your raid? I would just try 5 and see from there. DPS should outgear the boss significantly enough by now
cinder fjord
440 ish?
At work rn, but I'd ballpark it there.
We got him to 18% last night, but were having some trouble with consistently bringing him to P2
hallow phoenix
Do 5, your rshams should be able to do some decent damage outside of CD healing
cinder fjord
Mainly the last 10 or so percent of the fight
cinder fjord
Our pallies are pumping decently too
Honestly we haven't gotten there consistently enough yet
But general rule is rpobably gonna be smash the first set of naga and ignore the second set
hallow phoenix
That's what we did and we 5 healed just fine
And your healers will do more DPS than ours
cinder fjord
Do y'all still 5 heal it now on farm?
hallow phoenix
It's not on farm yet lol we got it this week but have been consistently getting to p2 since last week
rapid jewel
orgozoa is fun to tank
hallow phoenix
Yeah we normally ran prot pal, war, monk
But on our kill we ran 2 monks and me
And just 3 tanked cause that's the strat we knew
strong forum
@last thistle monk will always be great for raiding, pally bdk and vdh are looking very strong for next tier due to high amounts of magic dmg
This tier prot warri was 2nd best same as last tier
Warri is looking to be best tank for m+ again but that isn't 100% clear
last thistle
Thanks.
I want to raid lead and I figure tanking was probably a good position to do so from instead of melee dps. Trying to figure out what I should aim for.
strong forum
If you're new to tanking it can be quite an overwhelming task to manage yourself and the raid.
Ranged dps would be the easiest to raid lead as, I would think
But depends on the person I guess
cinder fjord
I went from raid leading as a MDPS to raid leading as a tank and it's definitely been a bit more difficult to adjust
rapid jewel
Range DPS and Heal is prefered for raidlead. As melee and tank you dont have the raid overview for player positioning, debuffs etc.
last thistle
Yeah, healer is prob best...I just don't have any healer alt rdy or even 120 😛
rapid jewel
you have 2 month, wait for timewalking week and you get the leveling done in 1 day
strong forum
I have 4hrs played on my 120 boosted wl and neck is 59 have vop, will get Cof r3 and lucid today, prolly get like 63 before reset and like 430 ilvl
Shits easy besides some essences
last thistle
The rep grind is the annoying part really 😛
strong forum
Thankfully demo lock only needs vop lucid and iris
strong forum
Well warlock is by far the only caster i like
Too bad they're trimmed to be only good in raid so I never got around to keeping up my old 8.0 warlock
sick sentinel
"Good"
strong forum
They are great in raids what do you mean
sand egret
after learning that in 9.0 legendaries will be tmoggable....I think i'm going to boost a DK
warm plinth
I’ll boost you
warm plinth
Is that so
sand egret
hell yeah, i gotta hunch that it'll be limited to the char that actually equipped it....
warm plinth
Maybe I’ll go farm warglaives and actually keep them. My luck on those is spectacular. I’ve given away 3 sets XD
sand egret
i still need the left one on my dh
warm plinth
But probably if I actually go with the intent to farm they won’t drop
Just run with me once
You’ll get it
sand egret
it's a date!
hallow phoenix
Aww
ionic fern
@wooden radish
wooden radish
@ionic fern are you hypu for shadowlands ?
warm plinth
Mwahi doesn’t do content. He just theorycrafts about it.
weak mist
secondary stats for m+?
weak mist
when i should play aegis/dynamo/vision/conflict?
lusty grotto
depends on the affixes and key level
but honestly, if nothing has changed.... you will never use 2 of those
the correct question would be vision/nullification dynamo/sphere/crucible
warm plinth
What’s up 
chip
frozen marlin
hey, kinda new to prot warri and I got a question. I wanna run higher m+ keys with my grp but I feel like my dmg output is way too low. it's hard for me to decide whether to use my rage for defense (SB, IP) or to just spam revenge anyway even without procc - rn I think I spent too much rage on defense, and I wonder how are the MDI guys doing it, never really dropping real hard (in good play) but dealing some decent dmg. can somebody give me some advices pls? feel kinda lost
warm plinth
You're probably just not using your cooldowns like you're supposed to.
Avatar and Demoralizing Shout should be used on cooldown. SB is not an option; you have to have it up to survive in any relevant content. You can choose between IP and Revenge but in M+ your Revenges are free a lot anyway.
MDI players also have the benefit of handpicking their gear, so they have the highest ilevel they can, and optimal stats for pushing damage.
lusty grotto
you wanna do big damage? pull multiple packs.
you wanna pull multiple packs and survive? use shield block and your toolkit efficiently
more mobs = more thundeclap padding with avatar
frozen marlin
confused. so shieldblock IS an option? I also thought it pretty important for big pulls
lusty grotto
no
warm plinth
I said it's not an option
lusty grotto
shield block is not an option, ghash said it correctly
warm plinth
It's a requirement
frozen marlin
ah! misread that
lusty grotto
if you're getting melee'd or hit by physical ranged or blockable attacks YOU NEED SHIELD BLOCK UP
strong forum
Basically have shieldblock up all the time you can, unless you know its not blockable
lusty grotto
you do not get to not use it for "offensive purposes"
warm plinth
Yep, which is basically just 3rd/4th boss of ML
lusty grotto
and zul
warm plinth
Zul melees
strong forum
If you run out of shieldblock substitute with Last stand ( it's basically shield block)
Cuz you WILL play bolster talent
If you don't you're inting
Get 3x bom, pull comfortably and what makes sense
And start shredding
Knowledge is key
sand egret
TLDR: keep up block and keep on clapping.
sand egret
Nomes pfp and his current discourse is quite the pair lol
strong forum
Mob abilities, group CDs, boss abilities, healer abilities
warm plinth
The better you know the dungeon and its mechanics, the better your decision making is as far as whether you can handle a certain pull or not.
strong forum
lusty grotto
wah
sand egret
Also like the teams you watch in the MDI are explicitly on-point with kicks/general lockdown of any danger that is player-preventable. It's a huge reason their damage intake is so smooth
lusty grotto
to address your wants: if you want to run higher keys you need to know
what to do and how to pull
your damage output becomes secondary
you cant dps when you're dead
sand egret
Their tank in Shrine: "Zzzzz where's the damage"
Me in Shrine: "Yes, I'll take 5 Raging Water Bolts to the face, please"
sand egret
or literally everyone next expac
wooden radish
@ionic fern 🐀
warm plinth
Nah we're alive but in Shadowlands
lusty grotto
excuse me
warm plinth
We're just in the world of the dead, but we're not actually dead. That's why we're special and can leave the Maw
sand egret
not if we get a M. Night Shamalamadingdong plot twist at the end!
wooden radish
MAW WALKERS
frozen marlin
alright thanks for your advices
lusty grotto
MAW NUTS
sand egret
MAW DEEPS
lusty grotto
😎
ionic fern
Cat man. 😦
lusty grotto
did you forget to buy some catnip again mwahi
lusty grotto
quick get the laser pointer
hey blade
have you been "ok boomer"'d yet?
i found out last friday! it's the new "cuck"
warm plinth
If the cutscene doesn't say something about us already being dead, I'm gonna throw a fit.
We're not boomers though
We're millenials
lilac bough
Hi all, new prot warrior here starting on low level M+s as i learn. Could you help me on which of these are the 2 i should be using?
rapid jewel
rezan + pcd,
lilac bough
tks
warm plinth
Barnacle does decent damage tbf.
I would probably use it if I didn’t have a badass punchcard
sand egret
Nope, I haven't! I'm technically a millenial so i'm hip as they get
blazing condor
during what circumstances, if there are any, is never surrender better than bolster?
strong forum
I'd say never
wooden radish
you'll likely take indom before never
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
If you have a lot of BFIs, can devast be more defensive ST than booming?
strong forum
NS is virtually useless
rapid jewel
but he asked when it is better, not what is the best 🙂
warm plinth
No Mvpg-
sick sentinel
Why
winged glen
As a prot warrior should i avoid the better traits and allways go for high ilvl Azereite or is it worth having a 435 with good traits instead of a 450 whit semi traits ?
sick sentinel
highest ilvl
lusty grotto
because of rage gain @sick sentinel
winged glen
ty man 🙂
lusty grotto
doesn't matter
toxic gyro
I swap to never surrender for 3rd and 4th boss in ml keys
rapid jewel
devastator isn't far behind booming voice defensive wise, the rage difference isnt huge when I checked logs last time
sick sentinel
ok boomer
lusty grotto
😎
strong forum
Got em
sick sentinel
🤧
lusty grotto
you should have let him say it
sick sentinel
Who
lusty grotto
humtol
rapid jewel
yes?
strong forum
👋
strong forum
OK boomer
lusty grotto
👍
rapid jewel
yeah I know. I still prefer devastator over BV. I like playing devastator more.
warm plinth
Yeah, afaik
And it has to go to the right. You can still proximity aggro if one of them runs too close to the tides
sand egret
my fav part of this week--
Me: "be careful with the little ghost shits cuz of burst-"
my DH: "I GOT THIS"
proceeds to cause a 7 stack bursting mid-pull
Me, Healer, and everyone in between: " 😑
warm plinth
lol
We almost died to the pack after wiping and had to kill so we could take the spirit birdie.
But I always carry health pots so I never die to bursting
potent anvil
I just play my prot pala. Spellward healer, bubble myself, LoH a dps, maybe sac the other. Feelsgoodman
lusty grotto
ok boomer
sand egret
Yeah, I had to pull some shit when that happend. SI > FR tricks > Typhoon +SMend > WG > Shift back to not get smacked
lusty grotto
Boomerwind
sand egret
it was spicy, and I think it all came together because we all subconsciously just saved each other and let my DH die.
thorny laurel
Question: I know the root from C&S doesnt get applied if you run minor Sphere of Suppresion. Does the root still get applied if the target is slowed by less than 30%? As in is 30% the breakpoint?
sick sentinel
yes
warm plinth
Yeah otherwise it would never work, because Thunder Clap (the ability that triggers the root) is a 20% slow :p
lusty grotto
did i miss something
why are people running C&S?
are we back to bdk kiting
and memes
smh
necrotic week i guess
warm plinth
It's fun to run as a major in arena 😄
Or well, you don't need the essence I guess
But the talent is super fun
Maybe people want PvP fun in PvE
lusty grotto
true enough it was always fun in wpvp
warm plinth
I'm guessing for necrotic, though it's not necessary imo
lusty grotto
ah yes
thorny laurel
I saw him running it as major
warm plinth
Did you though
lusty grotto
i especially liked people copying warriors that do 10 key levels higher than they do
on content that really does not apply to them
boomerchip
thorny laurel
Alright calm down
warm plinth
God that boomer stuff is aggravating lol.
warm plinth
chip just likes to get riled up Kratos; don't mind him
broken isle
Ran c&s major sphere minor in tol dagor, bur I'm still bad at the game
sand egret
yeah, he's just an angsty boomer
lusty grotto
ok boomer
warm plinth
Running C&S major and sphere minor makes no sense
thorny laurel
Well I just thought it might be good due to the double effect always active and then I checked the nr 1 warrior and saw hi musing it
warm plinth
Because the root doesn't work if they have the sphere snare on them
broken isle
Wait rly
warm plinth
Really
broken isle
Ouch
warm plinth
If you have a 30% slow on the mob, the root doesn't work
thorny laurel
Who said anything about using the sphere with major c&s?
lusty grotto
ziggy did
sand egret
ziggy did?
broken isle
I didn't tell people to do it
sand egret
Ran c&s major sphere minor in tol dagor, bur I'm still bad at the game - mans was just reflecting lol
warm plinth
We didn't say you did. Just that you brought it up lol
broken isle
Well darn thx all
sand egret
but like....we still get to burn someone right? I got my torch lit and everything...
warm plinth
We still ❤ you Ziggy
lusty grotto
boomersong
warm plinth
🙄
warm plinth
Stewart would be ashamed