protection

[void hill]

atal is one of my fav dungeons

anyway

and i know how to tank it

[left hatch]

haste verse not as juicy as haste crit butttt

[marble cipher]

there we go, just ignore every other dungeon then, and spam atal

[left hatch]

with everything else in there yah just spam atal haha

[void hill]

sounds like a good plan to me thanks

one of the things wowanalyzier told me was i was using demo shout above 60 rage

is that a thing

i just use it on cd mostly

[left hatch]

you waste a smidge of rage

since it gens 40 with booming voice

so just mash revenge or IP before you use it haha

[void hill]

im not goint to worry too much about that right now, im busying making sure sb,last stand is up and dumping rage at 70 plus

well using ip or revenge like that i can do

not a bad plan at all

[rose agate]

butchers block 415 with socket or 430 without?

[left hatch]

430 without

[terse wedge]

What is better 430 Haste crit shield or 435 mastery haste

[signal plover]

435

[sick sentinel]

shield always ilvl

[summer jackal]

Has prot always had this high of a apm? My arthritic fingers aren't a fan. Should I expect this to continue in the future? Maybe go to arms

[ionic fern]

Prot has been usually high APM yes.
And this will probably continue since it's just how the class plays with the current talent setups.

[tame garden]

Haste levels will only go up next tier

[sick sentinel]

you always have a gcd full and also off-gcd stuff you press alot

compared to legion this is slow actualy

[stark ruin]

it's actually better that it was in WoD I think

WoD gladiator was insane

Legion was more spammy too, right

but during legion devastator was a good choice over all, which made it just a little bit less spammy, didn't it?

[signal plover]

Barely, u basically blasted IP constantly in late legion tiers.

[stark ruin]

that's true

[hallow phoenix]

Zerker rage and battle cry on like 25 sec CD lol

So very spammy

[loud burrow]

Just checked some logs on wcl, do people really stack reckless fury and BfI for big ST Pump?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[strong forum]

Well wcl doesn't lie

[ionic fern]

RF is one of the best ST dps traits for prot like it or not

[waxen talon]

Lol. wasn't it also the best for fury and arms very early BFA?

[strong forum]

For arms that's a big doubt. Since arms traits were Hella strong in early bfa

Like really fucking strong , until they nerfed literally all of em

[tame garden]

Seismic wave

[strong forum]

That was good shit

[crisp zinc]

Has anyone got a weak aura for shield bash and revenge that actually glow when they proc? I cant find any

[signal plover]

Shield bash or slam?

[crisp zinc]

slam soz

[signal plover]

The revenge proc gives u a buff when it happens so it's straightforward to create off of that. Slam I'd just recommend making super obvious on "action useable"

[strong forum]

I just have shield slam always glow

[signal plover]

^

[strong forum]

And for the revenge glow, make a 2nd trigger that tracks the buff.
Then on conditions if trigger 2 active then glow

[tribal cliff]

Question, because i feel like an idiot

i'm trying out prot war, coming from prot paladin and i'm having difficulty getting to grips with the spec

Is it ok to sometimes rage cap? I find when I'm in an avatar window, if i get spammed with Revenge procs, i rage cap quite easily

do i just burn the excess rage on Ignore pains?

[tame garden]

Never cap rage, dump into ignore pain or revenge even if IP capped. Rage is never wasted because it still feeds into anger management

[tribal cliff]

Okay cool, so if i keep getting spammed with revenge procs, just funnel rage into IP

Cheers

[strong forum]

Ye, it's better to cap IP than rage.
You want to cycle through as much rage without being unable to use Shield block

[tribal cliff]

Ok cheers 🙂 Will try get into that playstyle

Finding it difficulty because my muscle memory is ingrained into prot paladin

[tame garden]

I was having the opposite problem when I started. Too much IP spam leaving me with not enough rage for SB hehe

But I was coming from bear instead of pala, and my IP hotkey is same as ironfur

[tribal cliff]

Opposite for me, sitting on too much rage wondering wtf i should be pushing haha

[strong forum]

In the long term

Spending rage = getting more rage

Cuz of AM reducing avatar cooldown.

[tribal cliff]

Just need to get into a new muscle memory Rhythm i think

[strong forum]

Ye

Use avatar and demo shout on CD

[tribal cliff]

Alright

[strong forum]

Shield slam > TC > revenge > devastate

That's the ultra basics

[tribal cliff]

Yeah got that bit down, was just never sure what to use rage on when i was capped, ignore pain was full and i kept getting spammed with revenge procs

[strong forum]

Ye

[vagrant arrow]

can prot warrs do zul skip?

with a dh

[tame garden]

Dont think the tank matters at all? It's the dh that does the skip

[distant crystal]

^

[vagrant arrow]

shouldnt we taunt or something

if its all dh doing it cool

[potent anvil]

If you're not alliance to smeld, or have a rogue to shroud past zul then the tank or anyone for that matter needs to pull zul away.

[sand egret]

but it's very important for YOU to look cool while THEY do it.

Look at Des, coolest cat around.

[potent anvil]

[analog swift]

@vagrant arrow the only reason a tank matters is how you pull zull off your dh

[west kayak]

My first 455...

[warm plinth]

OOF

[sterile mantle]

is meticulous schemeing worth it as prot

[sweet summit]

💔

[warm plinth]

Depends on what the alternative is, but it's really good.

[vagrant arrow]

ok ty

[sterile mantle]

id be picking up a blood sport in my helm

[warm plinth]

Definitely MS

[sterile mantle]

ok

[west kayak]

I must have done something bad to deserve that...

[shadow tapir]

If you always want the most stats/ilvl, and haste is the #1 but your crit is incredibly low from that formula, how does one know when to back off the haste and up the crit?

[warm plinth]

The amount of the individual stat doesn't matter. Higher ilevel = more total stats, which is what you want.

From a pure damage perspective, you would sim (e.g. if you were trying to parse in a raid). But other than that, higher ilevel wins and choose the thing with more haste if it's equal ilevel.

[shadow tapir]

❤

[analog swift]

obligatory but muh gemmed ring

[warm plinth]

You're a gemmed ring

[hasty nova]

man i used my 120 boost to level a monk tank

[warm plinth]

Also, I have to keep my dream alive guys

[hasty nova]

wanted to try out the brew since it's so strong in progression raiding

[warm plinth]

About to buy my last 445 and i need it to by abyssal malevolence because that's what I have currently

[hasty nova]

dude, the playstyle of brew is SO BACKWARDS

i had no idea how different it could be...

[warm plinth]

Backwards how

[hasty nova]

so for us midigation is like this

you press shield block

and when the mob attacks you

part of the dmg done to you is "blocked" or midigated

[shadow tapir]

Got a 450 glove with a socket, haste/mastery AND +100 speed, much wow!

[hasty nova]

for monks

you get hit by a mob

part of the damage hits you then and part of it goes into stagger

if you press zero buttons after wards you take 100% of the dmg

[warm plinth]

Yep

[hasty nova]

however, your stagger can be cleased for 50% of the dmg

that 50% of the stagger is what is "midigated"

so its essentially an after attack mitigation instead of a before attack mitigation

AND a total mind fuck for someone who has only played prot warrior and is used to shield blocking and being done

lmao

[warm plinth]

Well, tbf that's a lot of what monk is too. Part of being a good brew is knowing when to purify and when not to purify

But a lot of the time you're going to just keep ISB up and call it good. Obviously the higher the content the more you'll purify but that's essentially how it works

Also the dream is dead

RIP abyssal

😦

[rapid jewel]

doesn't a good WA takes care of the "yeah i should press purify now"

[brittle owl]

when to purify is part of the 'nuance' of brew

[near ivy]

no WA can predict what damage you are about to take tho

[warm plinth]

Nah but a good stagger tracker is needed

[near ivy]

^^

[brittle owl]

although that nuance is fucking dead because of celestial fort and urchin+edict combo

[warm plinth]

As far as when you purify, that depends on what difficulty of content you're doing

[hasty nova]

yeah keeping isb up all the time is easier than keeping shield block up since it STACKS lol super ez mode after tyring so long to maximize shield block

makes me wish shield block stacked

[brittle owl]

legit it's better to just strap those on and purify as little as pos rn

[hasty nova]

i don't understand why you wouldn't purify tho? thats the only way you can take less dmg

well outside of the dodges

[warm plinth]

SB stacks too though 🤔

[hasty nova]

wait what?

[hallow phoenix]

^

the duration stacks

[brittle owl]

because urchin+edict genuinely heals your stagger damage

[warm plinth]

All active mitigations stack up to 3x their base duration.

[hasty nova]

WAIT WHAT

[brittle owl]

theres an article on peak about it

comparing brews

[warm plinth]

Well, except IF

[hasty nova]

shield block stacks?

[rapid jewel]

gus you didnt know that?

[warm plinth]

It stacks as in, 2 presses = 12 seconds

[hasty nova]

..

hold on

wait

WHAT

[tame garden]

Rofl

[near ivy]

it stacks as in you now have 200% block chance 4head

[rapid jewel]

just spam SB out of last stand and you are good

[brittle owl]

stacking it like that is suboptimal and bad

[warm plinth]

The only active mitigations you can't spam are Ironfur and SotR, because of how they work

[hallow phoenix]

why cant you spam sotr

[tame garden]

You can spam ironfur

[hallow phoenix]

i thought it stacks too

[warm plinth]

Because it does some weird thing when it overlaps with the armor

[rapid jewel]

I just hate my msucle memory when it press SB during last stand

[warm plinth]

Optimally you let it drop before casting the next one

[near ivy]

you can spam ironfur but it has a different affect

[tame garden]

You often want to stack ironfur

[hasty nova]

so your telling me, when a fight starts i can press shield block back to back and the duration stacks?

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can spam Ironfur but I just meant you can't stack the duration

Yes Gus

[rapid jewel]

yes

[hallow phoenix]

@hasty nova You can but you shouldnt

[hasty nova]

omfg

lol why should i not do this again?

[rapid jewel]

but you waste SB active time during boss casts

[hallow phoenix]

Oftentimes there is a gap where you won't be taking any blockable hits (spells)

can save uptime

[brittle owl]

@warm plinth you can spam sotr just like you would sb

[warm plinth]

Yeah sometimes you should let SB drop for a second between casts

[brittle owl]

there's nothing keeping you from doingit

besides bad play

[rapid jewel]

the fish is a good example, sometimes he has 5-6 second cast chains

[hasty nova]

if i press last stand, and then sb sb all three immeditly does it all stack?

[rapid jewel]

no

[hasty nova]

not saying that i "should" just curious

[rapid jewel]

sb during last stand is wasted

[brittle owl]

since you have LotP/HotP to heal, you should weave it inbetween shield casts to maximise effective uptime

[tame garden]

Shield block and last stand are seperate buffs

[hasty nova]

wasted as in should not do it or it will not stack?

[rapid jewel]

will not stack, 100% block is 100% block chance

[tame garden]

The shield block is wasted besides shield slam damage

[hasty nova]

lol kk

[brittle owl]

i feel like you don't understand how SB works? 🤔

[warm plinth]

You're right mael; I just remembered reading in the guide not to cast it when it was active

[brittle owl]

you can't block an attack twice, stacking just means extending duration

[hasty nova]

thats what i'm talking about lmao

[warm plinth]

Probably the same concept of why we don't typically do it

[hasty nova]

just extending duration

i didn't ean stack like that

[brittle owl]

last stand doesnt activate shield block

[rapid jewel]

But I would love if they iterade on Block mechanic for warrior, so you block everything but have to manage your block health somehow

[hasty nova]

last stand is just 100% block

[brittle owl]

exactly

[warm plinth]

Yeah LS won't extend anything

It's a different buff

[brittle owl]

a diff effect, achieving the same thing

[hasty nova]

i was just wondering if it would overlap yaeh yeah

[brittle owl]

the only reason to SB during LS is for SS damage

[hasty nova]

fuck man just asking because i didn't know sb extended timer

[brittle owl]

not bashing

[hasty nova]

what else do i not know

O_O

lol

[brittle owl]

sorry if i came across cunty

[hallow phoenix]

Mael is just passionate

[hasty nova]

nah it's fine, at this point i'm seconding guessing myself tbh

and EVERYTHING I KNOW

lol

i'm 2.2k raider.io and 6/8M

and i dind't know SB could be extended on itself

[warm plinth]

Mael is cunty though, tbf

[hasty nova]

thats hilarious

[warm plinth]

We love him anyway

[hasty nova]

i'ma noob

[hallow phoenix]

Did you know you can leap or charge mid Rampage and it won't cancel the Rampage

[brittle owl]

you're cunty gash

😡

[hasty nova]

what is rampage?

[brittle owl]

fury ability

[hallow phoenix]

Some fury spell that does a thing

[hasty nova]

oh i never tryed fury out lol : /

[brittle owl]

does blood sounds

completely degen spec

[hallow phoenix]

Makes angery but takes away anger too

[near ivy]

@warm plinth isnt there a trait that does something when SotR ends?

[hallow phoenix]

Explain that

[brittle owl]

you didnt lose anything

[warm plinth]

It gives you block

[brittle owl]

@near ivy there is

[warm plinth]

But it's a shit trait iirc

[brittle owl]

but its dogshit

it gives you block rating

completely useless

[warm plinth]

Yep

[brittle owl]

and some damage

wet noodle damage

[warm plinth]

You're a wet noodle

[brittle owl]

rn i am

😦

[hallow phoenix]

Gus if you're ever knocked back, you can intervene an ally immediately instead of waiting to be knocked back far enough to intercept the mob/boss

[near ivy]

considering that took a while to find im gonna say its shit

[hallow phoenix]

Since we're sharing tips

[near ivy]

but im not exactly the worlds most knowledgeable prot pala

[brittle owl]

prot paladin is easy

you just have to play like a dps

[warm plinth]

I still haven’t made the transition to seraphim for M+. I’m terrified I’m gonna use it instead of SotR and be wrong lul

[brittle owl]

did a 15 yday

[hallow phoenix]

Don't we play like a dps too

[brittle owl]

38k dps on galvazzt 😂

[warm plinth]

As a prot pal?

[brittle owl]

yep

[warm plinth]

Juicy

I love when you’re just getting judgment procs over and over and over lol

[brittle owl]

nah bro

seraphim

[warm plinth]

I feel like those little hammer bro dudes from Super Mario

[brittle owl]

that's where the dps is at

[warm plinth]

Why not both?!

[brittle owl]

when judge crits for 60k

[warm plinth]

Hnngh

[hallow phoenix]

Prot pal runs lucid yeah? Restores sotr stacks?

[strong forum]

Ye

[warm plinth]

Defensively yes

[brittle owl]

only on super high keys

i run crucible till 18

[hallow phoenix]

Imagine lucid restoring sb stacks :(

[strong forum]

Waste

Imagine lucid restoring demon spikes

Now that would we awesome

[warm plinth]

That’s the real dream

We have close enough to 100 uptime that it wouldn’t really be worth it IMO for us

[strong forum]

That would make vdh insanely strong

[hallow phoenix]

Not if you solo taking EP

Then you run out of blocks

[brittle owl]

vdh is insanely stron

[warm plinth]

Idk why they don’t just give them the same amount of uptime that we have

[brittle owl]

only issue is

it's a one button spec to be uber tanky

[strong forum]

I know vdh is strong

[warm plinth]

They have to hit like a wet noodle to be Uber tank too

[strong forum]

But lucid giving demon spikes would make em #1

[brittle owl]

spam shear lmao 70k hps sustain

[warm plinth]

And imagine actually having to use soul cleave

Sad times

[brittle owl]

you use it to not lose aggro

😂

[warm plinth]

Lul

[strong forum]

Ye.. They need to up the dmg of vdh outside of spb

[brittle owl]

but fuck it, spb is fine even on 17's

[stark ruin]

And to dump pain between fractures

[brittle owl]

no

[warm plinth]

Would be sick if they made either spb or glut baseline

[brittle owl]

you dump pain after spb

:rollsafe:

goddammit skyhold

[warm plinth]

Yeah that way you don’t waste fragments

[stark ruin]

With gluttony, you just do it

[brittle owl]

fuck your emote rules

[stark ruin]

Swing the noodles

[strong forum]

Glut, fracture and spb baseline

[brittle owl]

glut+fracture is dumb

[strong forum]

Give back legion

[stark ruin]

Feed the demon baselime

[brittle owl]

anti synergy

[strong forum]

How the fuck do you play if not with fracture

[warm plinth]

I want fracture back how it was tbh and then they can just get rid of soul cleave

[strong forum]

I played fracture + glut

Literally immortal

[brittle owl]

if you spend your fracture charges

and THEN get a glutt or vop proc

you waste it essentially

shear is more consistent

too bad there are no other good talents in that row

[strong forum]

Ye but waaaaay less fragments

[brittle owl]

it isnt really

1 extra isn't gonna make or break you

[warm plinth]

I mean, how is feed the demon not wasteful with that build

[brittle owl]

and on the long run

[strong forum]

I played ftd + vop/glut once... Fuck me you have nothing to press

[brittle owl]

its actually less fragments with fracture than it is with shear

[warm plinth]

You only need spikes when you don’t have meta and you fuckin always have meta haha

[brittle owl]

just for the fact that you will have wasted procs

[waxen talon]

Why do people even play DH?

[strong forum]

Cuz it's good

[warm plinth]

Because it’s fun af

[strong forum]

And fun

[brittle owl]

sigils and jumping ma dude

and cage

and wings

[strong forum]

And immortality

[brittle owl]

and that

it's like

a brewmaster

[warm plinth]

Sigils are some of the best abilities in the game from a fun perspective imo. Such a cool idea.

[brittle owl]

but edgy

[strong forum]

I miss having stuns tho

[warm plinth]

And not mind numbingly boring

[brittle owl]

tfw most sturdy tanks are leather

[strong forum]

Being unable to stun is really hurting my soul

[brittle owl]

eh you have quasi stuns

[strong forum]

Being used to shock wave every 25sec

[brittle owl]

cage fear sigil and chains can be used as quasi stun

[warm plinth]

I think they should make chains baseline in 9.0 so you can run quickened sigils

[strong forum]

Try to cage or fear the shield bearers in ad

🙃

[warm plinth]

That’s what the rest of your group is for

[brittle owl]

honestly

they'll prob give darkness baseline

and blur or some shit

[warm plinth]

If vdh gets blur then blizz needs their shit checked

[near ivy]

that would be fucking ridiculously broken

35% dr + 50% dodge on a tank

on a 1min cd

[warm plinth]

Yeah...

[near ivy]

with one of the best raid cd's in the game

on a non healer

[brittle owl]

35% dr and 50% dodge is a retarded cd

in the sense that

it could just be one or the other

[tame garden]

Havoc is dumb

[grim nymph]

It's just straight up a better version of barkskin

[brittle owl]

imagine dodging everything with it

why would you need the dr

[warm plinth]

No it couldn’t. I couldn’t tank the pack after the tank dies if it didn’t give 50% dodge 😏

[strong forum]

I thought its 100% dodge

[brittle owl]

why are you running with bdks LOL

[strong forum]

Havoc main here ama

[warm plinth]

Nah it’s not

[strong forum]

🙃

[brittle owl]

100% dodge is blade dance

[warm plinth]

Blade dance is 100

[brittle owl]

for 1 sex

the cheese ability

[strong forum]

That I know

But I feel like dhs just perma dodge everything in pvp

[warm plinth]

Well you can get that darkness talent too

Makes darkness have 70% chance

[brittle owl]

they can't dodge my fkin HoJ dow can they

[warm plinth]

With darkness they can I think lol. I don’t pvp much though

[grim nymph]

nah, you can't dodge CC with darkness

[brittle owl]

i run ret+havoc in doubles

[warm plinth]

Ah okay

[brittle owl]

everything melts

[warm plinth]

Haha I did ret/havoc too

It's so fun

[brittle owl]

legit blew up a mw thru cocoon just with SoV popping

[warm plinth]

I only got 1600 but I was only doing it for C&S pieces

[grim nymph]

I enjoy fearing DHs out of darkness into chaos bolt / conflag root outside of it 🙂

[brittle owl]

did prot/havoc for a while

made warlocks and mages sad

[warm plinth]

I don't usually use the darkness talent against caster comps anyway tbh

Because of that very thing lol

[strong forum]

Are people unironically playing ftd vop glut and not fracture

[brittle owl]

yes

theres no reason not to

[strong forum]

How the fuck do you do any dmg ever

[warm plinth]

I just don't see why you'd play ftd

[brittle owl]

playing fracture is suboptimal

[tame garden]

You dont

[warm plinth]

It's useless

[brittle owl]

ftd is something you end up defaulting to

cuz soul rending is shit

[warm plinth]

I mean yeah

[strong forum]

Fuck me that's like 10k ST dps having to taunt bosses not to lose aggro

[brittle owl]

and fracture is actually less fragment generation

[warm plinth]

But you're giving away the only damage you have left

For nothing

[brittle owl]

you're already not doing dmg

ALSO

VoP is overrated

gluttony is the heavy lifter

[strong forum]

Hey I did like 22k dps

I am real man yes

[warm plinth]

I mean, more procs is more procs. Plus the reduced base CD on Meta

[strong forum]

That's almost acceptable

[brittle owl]

VoP is .85 ppm, glutonny is somewhere between 2 and 3 ppm

[strong forum]

From my experience glut is less than 1ppm

:(

[brittle owl]

you can run another major and not see a significant decrease in uptime

[warm plinth]

How would you not see a significant decrease in uptime? You're going from a 2.4 min CD to a 3 minute CD

[brittle owl]

you can run the minor then

[strong forum]

You use it as minor

[warm plinth]

Fair enough

[strong forum]

Also using active meta is really wonky to me

[brittle owl]

it is yeah

[warm plinth]

Uses meta>gets a proc

😄

[strong forum]

It's such a short active

[brittle owl]

you can get retardedly long uptime

i had a 40 sec meta once

on tree boss

[strong forum]

I haven't even had 40sec avatar

[warm plinth]

Which basically means you didn't take damage for 40 seconds

[brittle owl]

yep

[tame garden]

I've had 40s avatar and I've been playing prot for 2 weeks lol

[brittle owl]

meta down, proc LR, another 20 sec meta

[warm plinth]

I just feel like Blizz hasn't figured out what they want VDH to be

[strong forum]

Nothing

[brittle owl]

vdh is their scars

obv

[warm plinth]

Like the reason they're so fuckin squishy outside of spikes is because they're fucking immortal during meta lol

Don't you fucking mock my favorite cutscene mael

I'll cut you

[brittle owl]

this is only true since

8.2

meta was shit until then

[strong forum]

Well that was because old meta was worse than demon spikes

[brittle owl]

dogshit cd

[warm plinth]

Yeah...

[strong forum]

Old meta was literally less DR than demon spikes

[brittle owl]

kinda like GoAK was worse than SotR in legion

by antorus

[warm plinth]

Wasn't SotR all damage in Legion?

Not armor

[brittle owl]

straight DR

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'd like that back 😄

[brittle owl]

you could reasonably have 60% dmg reduction from it

goak was 50% LMAO

paladin had the strongest AM in legion

except warrior vs physical

[warm plinth]

I would probably play guardian druid right now if they still had ursol

It's still a boring af tank but I liked being able to choose what I wanted to mitigate

[tame garden]

[warm plinth]

Sorry not sorry

[brittle owl]

imagine playing a butt simulator

[warm plinth]

Actually I'm curious; did they change guardian's sound effects when they changed resto's to that junk?

[brittle owl]

Animal Fart Tycoon

[warm plinth]

Harambear is BiS though

It can even dance now

[tame garden]

Bear sounds were indeed fucked along with restocat and feral. Not sure if it was fixed or not I been gearing my war lately

[grim nymph]

guardian, feral, and resto share sounds

[warm plinth]

They're still shit on my rdruid so I imagine they still are

[grim nymph]

And they're still weird when I play my rdruid so yeah...

[warm plinth]

Guardian doesn't use the same abilities as resto though (what I play) except Swipe

Was curious if Mangle/Maul/Thrash got the same treatment

[tame garden]

Nah was just swipe messed up

[grim nymph]

Thrash had no sound whatsoever for awhile

[broken isle]

Challenging shout will be nice but do all the shout sounds the same too?

[tame garden]

Like swipe wouldnt even make a sound if you didnt hit anything

[warm plinth]

Probably; I think they always have but tbh never paid much attention

[brittle owl]

yes ziggy

[warm plinth]

I think it's pretty close to the taunt sound too isn't it?

If not the same

[brittle owl]

afaik every race has 2 shouting/roaring sounds

and theres no clear rule which one is used on what abilities

[warm plinth]

Alright now the real question

What reputation are you guys grinding with WQ week, DMF and 15% rep from anniversary all at the same time

[brittle owl]

nothing cuz i'll be in cuba soon

🍹

[broken isle]

Old reps maybe

[warm plinth]

I guess I'll get a ton of Mecha rep on my main

[brittle owl]

y doe

[warm plinth]

Anyone know if the rustbolt rep thing is RNG from the paragon? Or do you always get it from the first one?

[broken isle]

Or tryna get tons of paragons

[warm plinth]

Just want to get the paragon to see if I get the item for my alts

[random urchin]

@warm plinth it’s rng

My main got it on 1st crate. Alt got it on 4th

Or maybe it’s an auto drop for your first time and rng afterwards?

[strong forum]

Na

Pure rng

Same as r4 for worldvein, still don't have it

OK I haven't done islands in like a month even tho I'm not 70, but still

Or aren't you talking about r4 essence

[random urchin]

He’s talking about unlock the recipe to make the rust bolt insignia which is a BoA token for 100 rust bolt rep

[warm plinth]

Yes that

[random urchin]

You’re right about essences though. Entirely rng. I don’t have a single rep essence at r4

[warm plinth]

I was thinking guaranteed first time. Sucks if it’s RNG. Guess I’ll find out this week some times

Time

[random urchin]

Just looked it up on wowhead. Few others all mention getting it on their first first paragon for that account. Seems reasonable that it’s guaranteed on 1st per account

[fossil nimbus]

Do M+ and M0 have the same K value for blocking?

[undone sun]

Yes

[fossil nimbus]

Ty. Does reaching the block softcap have any real bearing on gearing strategy at all?

I suppose it would devalue Iron Fortress a bit.

[sand egret]

assuming you mean 42.5%? no, no bearing on how you gear

[remote dawn]

hi, guys i have a question what trinkets shoud i use for M+ around +19?

[undone sun]

No such thing @fossil nimbus

[tame garden]

That's quite the image

[sand egret]

I think I can see an Urchin, Edict, and Rezan's in there

no idea what those 450s are

[fossil nimbus]

I think Font and Sporecallers.

[tame garden]

Pls no

[fossil nimbus]

We can see them, Balrox. We just can't read it.

Because not english.

[remote dawn]

okay ^^

[tame garden]

Titanengeschmiedet!

[broken isle]

Seelengebunden

[remote dawn]

xD

[broken isle]

anlegbar Scmuck

[fossil nimbus]

Is Urchin devalued on necrotic weeks?

[sand egret]

technically, yeah

[broken isle]

Sphere of Suppression week bby

[fossil nimbus]

oof, pvp

[broken isle]

Necrotic works with null barrier?

[toxic gyro]

Necrotic rebuff does physical ding

[limpid pawn]

So for sure sphere of supp week

[fossil nimbus]

RIP BDK with that change.

[broken isle]

why they so mean to BDK

Give them back their armor

[toxic gyro]

I’m gonna try to run pvp essence and tell my mage to play frost

And range tank most mobs

[fossil nimbus]

Alright, advice on azerite replacements. I have a bastion/brace for impact piece, and a bloodsport(or callous)/undulating tides piece. Which one should I replace with titan residuum lottery?

[random urchin]

Bloodsport one

[sand egret]

I mean, part of why Warrior is so strong is their upfront mitigation. On many packs you should be able to facetank them for a good amount of time before needing to kite. Certainly wouldn't be "range tanking" them

[random urchin]

Get that 3x BoM

[sand egret]

BoM is stupid strong, nab that shit

[broken isle]

I need to learn how to kite casters so they dont cast for a while

I saw that all the time in legion

[tame garden]

They designed mobs different this expac to avoid the legion kite meta

[sand egret]

you can walk them with some hitbox shenanigans or just los break their last second cast, reinitiate, then repeat

but yeah, that previous behavior got changed

[fossil nimbus]

Good week for my alt warrior. 440 haste/mast shield, finished rank 3 memory of lucid dreams, and will get r3 VOP as soon as I do mecha.

Essence farming on alts is so engaging.

[tame garden]

Damn I'm jealous on the shield

Grats

[fossil nimbus]

ty! fwiw I lost the TR gamble. Went from Bloodsport/Undulating to BFI/Iron Fortress. So, very meh.

[warm plinth]

Er, that’s losing the gamble?

I’ll take bfi and if over bs and undulating any day lol

[fossil nimbus]

Well, I was hoping for a BOM. Now I'm running 1x deafeneing, 2x BOM, 2x UFI, 1x IF.

[warm plinth]

That’s pretty good tbh

[signal plover]

Ya

[fossil nimbus]

For context I only run keys.

No raid tanking.

[warm plinth]

Yeah. That’s good for M+.

[exotic spoke]

I got a 440 Rezans

[signal plover]

Good for either

[exotic spoke]

On probablyriki >.>

I'd use that on Riki too which is sad

[tame garden]

Mainswap horde

Do it

[fossil nimbus]

Well that makes me feel better, ty. My understanding was that UFI is kinda meh for keys because you do a whole lot less shield slamming compared to raid.

[warm plinth]

My pally got a sporepods Riki XD

[fossil nimbus]

*BFI

[warm plinth]

You still slam a lot in M+

[signal plover]

It's the primary rage gen

[fossil nimbus]

True, I guess it's all relative.

[signal plover]

Prot warrior traits are pretty balanced atm

Many solid options

[fossil nimbus]

Would it be worth dropping 1x UFI for Callous Reprisal?

BFI.

[exotic spoke]

Take BFI in my opinion

[fossil nimbus]

2x BFI > 1x BFI 1x Callous.

?

[exotic spoke]

I think so

[distant crystal]

ye

unless you like, only care about aoe dmg at all costs

[strong forum]

callous is one of our terrible traits

bfi is one of the better ones

[teal otter]

020

[tame garden]

[strong forum]

owo to you too good sir

[sacred roost]

what's the bestway to farm the needed timewalking badges in the new alterac? well old alterac?

[errant thorn]

not really the channel to be asking

[sick sentinel]

Just add "as prot" and you'll be good.

[mystic whale]

kek

[fossil nimbus]

Have snap points gotten buggier, or "fixed" recently? I had a lot of problems in the shrine water before second boss, and in AD on those side snap points with mobs just evading and hitting 100% health.

[strong forum]

fixed

oh

i misread

its probably you fucking up actually

cuz if you jump on a higher elevation or for too long at those snapspots

they bug out

like the thing with snapshots is you have very limited room to move without bugging out the mob

if you can move at all

[fossil nimbus]

Fair enough, I'll play around with it some more. It was pretty triggering last week when like, 1 mob would evade to 100% health and then just get hella bolstered.

[tame garden]

I've only had the saurids start evading when I fall off

Which happens a lot on my warrior

[fossil nimbus]

I just need to practice getting into the snap point smoother, I suppose.

[strong forum]

ye saurid snap you can fuck up, by falling off, going too high on brasier, taking a wonky jump onto if, tacking a wonky jump back off of it

snapping only works if youre set on your spot

thats why the snap in Shrine is so scary, cuz its multiple elevation levels on the brasiers

its gotta be a quick snap, if you fall off of your snap mid jump, like slide down, itll likely bug out

[tame garden]

Shits risky and def worth practicing in m0 imo

[fossil nimbus]

So reroll monk for transcendence transfer.

[tame garden]

Or that

[strong forum]

LOOO

no

[fossil nimbus]

😉

[strong forum]

ill never recommend monk ever

[distant crystal]

just get up there casually and have rogues tricks snap to u

ezpz

[acoustic sparrow]

Is C&S minor worth using in raids and m+ at only rank 1?

[random urchin]

Not really imo

Rank 1 the buff doesn’t last long and you don’t get as many stacks

[acoustic sparrow]

Alright thanks

[sullen valve]

Reminder use wowA

[grim nymph]

Worth rolling a single random 430 to replace my 415 chest before saving for 445's?

[distant crystal]

bit of a personal decision

if my 415 had good traits i wouldn't

[rapid jewel]

430 feels kinda wasted in the long term

[grim nymph]

BoM/callous iirc

[rapid jewel]

8.3 comes out next year, so save the points for 445 I guess

[grim nymph]

I'd definitely save if I cleared heroic EP, but it's a M+ only character

And PUGs still wipe repeatedly on Orgozoa lol

[rapid jewel]

orgozoa heroic?

[grim nymph]

yup

[rapid jewel]

that is rough

[grim nymph]

dying to dribbling ichor circles, dying to arcing current, dying to letting casts off downstairs, etc

I progged that boss on mythic 3 months ago, I don't want to do PUGression on heroic

[rapid jewel]

I understand arcing current, thats PUG nightmare, but you have to be at 5k ping to not dodge dribbling ichor

[warm plinth]

I always get 2 430s on my toons and then save for 445s after that

Since I don't raid

[rapid jewel]

I always go directly to 445, but usually I craft ingi helm early on, that helps a lot

[warm plinth]

I will say that I am always disappointed at my impatience when I get the 430s because it sets me back on the 445 by a week lol. Or I'll end up like 6-7k TR short

[tame garden]

I agree with ghash. 1 week delay for huge powerboost

[grim nymph]

true

[warm plinth]

But either way; it's only a week. I just like not having 400s or 415s until then

[tame garden]

I'll take 1 week delay on 445s in return for not feeling like a carry

[warm plinth]

Yeah for sure

That's why I keep doing it despite it being sucky when you're 6k short lol

[grim nymph]

Yeah, I got 2 430's with the residuum from last week

So I can tank 15-16's

[warm plinth]

I don't ever go for the 3rd 430 tbh

I just replace that piece with 445 first

[distant crystal]

i mean i bought 3x 430s asap at the start of this season

but...that was months ago

there's a lot less residuum to obtain yet this season than there was then

[grim nymph]

Yeah, definitely

[warm plinth]

You have like

[tame garden]

I'm not expecting bis 445s this season on a new alt tho

[grim nymph]

I made this character because warlock key pushing is LUL

[warm plinth]

Probably 160ish if you only do +10s

160k

Assuming early January for patch release

[grim nymph]

Timed a bunch of 15-16 keys last week

So probably closer to 200k residuum left

[warm plinth]

Oh okay so you're getting what, 21 or 22k?

[grim nymph]

Around that

[warm plinth]

Yeah so you should be fine to just get 445s at this point

[sand egret]

I went back and hopped on my war last night. Forgot how dumb Avatar is with BoM

had to take a shower after that shit

[warm plinth]

Why? Were you covered in the sheen of the sweat of glory?

[sand egret]

basically

just my wee alt mass pullin in my +12

[warm plinth]

lol

What ilevel shield does your wee alt have

[sand egret]

400?

something like that

just got rank 1 VoP

oh lahd

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was doing 12s just fine at like 410 with a 395 shield because I had like two IF and a BfI I think

Didn't even have VoP 😬

[sand egret]

yeah my biggest issue was my damn DH's Iris

[warm plinth]

I can relate, but from the DH's perspective

[sand egret]

my booty was not clappy enough

[grim nymph]

Threat while undergeared and on skittish with no tricks/misdirect is yikes

[sand egret]

pertty much

it wasn't bad

but had to make her wait 2-3 claps in for bigger pulls

which felt shameful

[warm plinth]

We had our VDH tanking this past week and running glut build. Even with a 10 second headstart I managed to peel a couple mobs with iris sometimes

[sand egret]

oof

[warm plinth]

Fortunately I'm used to havoc burst aoe so I have blur on a hair trigger

[sand egret]

biggest turn-off for me going to DH in 8.3 is the fact that they have two builds, with fun split between em

[warm plinth]

Yeah...you can either be invincible and hit like a wet noodle or you can do damage and get hit like you're a wet noodle

[sand egret]

i'm weirdly considering a DK at this point

i know, i know

[warm plinth]

I mean, DK is fuckin scary at higher keys lol

Especially fort keys

[sand egret]

yeah, but you know me. I tend to play the "not good tank" for whatever patch

[warm plinth]

You're not having fun until the maggot/matron pull at the start of UR is taking you to 20% every hit

[sand egret]

❤ soothe

[warm plinth]

Yeah we usually have a hunter which is nice haha

Our push group comp is VDH, HDH, outlaw, BM, hpal

[sand egret]

yeah, my "group" is one DH that does damage and a roll-the-dice scenario with the others. =/

[warm plinth]

:/

Idk I'm starting to doubt my DPS tbh. Feels like our outlaw and hunter are starting to gap me, at least on overall

[sand egret]

well 2/3 of my dps is like sub-30k overall

[warm plinth]

Feels bad to have 40k overall when the hunter is at 49k lol. I still lead the pack on bosses a lot but

[sand egret]

which is not a good sign

[warm plinth]

Yikes, on what key level?

[sand egret]

we did a 15 last night

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's pushing it haha

Especially on fort

[sand egret]

they're also like....440+

[warm plinth]

Is it just a random assortment of guildies or something?

[sand egret]

i'm in my coworker and her friends guild. I was helping them with keys (since a few want to do keys but they don't really have tanks that like M+) earlier and i just ended up doing them with em more and more

[strong forum]

Sub 30k what

I feel bad when I'm as tank below 30k

[sand egret]

so it's their guildies and stuff, who are not very solid/don't really care too much

[strong forum]

How tf are your dps below 30

[rigid sinew]

overall dps below 30k 🤔

[warm plinth]

Shit if I felt bad being below 30k as tank I'd never feel not bad

But am bad so

Yeah I know the type Blade

[sand egret]

yeah, sucks cuz it means i have to pull smaller so MY damage sinks lol

[warm plinth]

Sounds like my alliance group

[sand egret]

since I just run out of shit in larger pulls cuz stuff lasts forever

[warm plinth]

And it's saying something that I feel comfortable mentioning it in this server

[strong forum]

Rip

[warm plinth]

Because I know none of them are in class servers x_x

[sand egret]

yeah, like I went into their heroic raid for the first time a few weeks ago and am like one of their top dps

[warm plinth]

Good shit

[sand egret]

but, it's a funny time so it's w/e

[warm plinth]

As feral I'm guessing?

[sand egret]

ofc

fuck if i'd touch boomkin

debating swapping to my war next patch tho, since their entire raid doesn't even have a single war lol

[warm plinth]

Why don't you like moonkin?

[sand egret]

It's more that I like feral way more

[warm plinth]

Fair enough

[strong forum]

Blade seems to enjoy the 'underdog' stuff

So do I

[sand egret]

typically, yeah

[warm plinth]

Next he'll be playing an enhance shaman

No wait

A resto shaman

[strong forum]

My cotank is underdog player too

[sand egret]

i tend to look for the "not good" stuff and try and see how far I can take it

[strong forum]

He plays feral, guardian, enha and ele

Ye kinda same

[sand egret]

i.e. why I was Warrior in 8.0 :^)

[strong forum]

I enjoy playing non meta shit and still wreck face

[sand egret]

tbf my feral RIPS up keys

shit is mongo in M+

[warm plinth]

Aha ha

ha

[strong forum]

Feral is decent

[sand egret]

it's surprisingly strong

[strong forum]

Have yet to see a god though

[warm plinth]

I don't even think I've seen one

But I run with a set group usually so

[grim nymph]

I've seen a couple. Feral DPS is pretty good in M+. They lack utility though.

Basically rogue without all the cool rogue stuff

[sand egret]

they lack shroud

[distant crystal]

and gouge

and sap

blind

vanish

[warm plinth]

Eh, they have okay utility. They have brez, a single target stun (two actually right?). Is root one of the things you can do in cat now?

[strong forum]

Like the best I've seen feral do is like 42k-ish I think

[distant crystal]

they have a shittier version of bte

check out hoofhartd's stream

[sand egret]

brez soothe perma root for tides knockback same stun kit

[distant crystal]

he blasts in M+

[sand egret]

different type of util

[warm plinth]

Uh

[sand egret]

but the issue is, RDruid exists

[warm plinth]

Guessing typhoon is on bash tier right

[sand egret]

it is yeah

[warm plinth]

But you have Maim if you really need it anyway don't you

[sand egret]

yeah

[distant crystal]

roar

gotta go fast

[sand egret]

and roar!

[warm plinth]

Funny how easy we forget about roar huh

[distant crystal]

and taunt/bearform

can be handy

[sand egret]

but yeah RDruid just brings 80% of that and you can free up a melee spot so it's kinda eclipsed

[warm plinth]

Get cyclone back next xpac!

[grim nymph]

All 3 DPS spots are melee spots

[strong forum]

Fuck rdruids they have way too much shit

So do rogues

Way too much

[warm plinth]

For sure

[distant crystal]

it's true

[hallow phoenix]

What about DHs

[distant crystal]

even with shroud being made redundant

[warm plinth]

I mean

[distant crystal]

rogues are gonna be meta af

[strong forum]

Dh is okayish

[warm plinth]

DH are just cheesy

[distant crystal]

blade dance is busted

riposte on a 6 second cd

lmao

[warm plinth]

Evasion*

[strong forum]

Dh is fine

[rapid jewel]

DH are just very rarely bad, since an ape can play that class

[distant crystal]

close enough

[warm plinth]

Riposte is parry :p

[strong forum]

It's easy to do decent on hdh

[warm plinth]

Yeah even I can play it

[strong forum]

But only good dhs actually pump

[hallow phoenix]

What about BM hunter

[warm plinth]

BM is underrated imo

[hallow phoenix]

Had one in TD last night

[distant crystal]

binding shot is giga

[hallow phoenix]

So much utility

[warm plinth]

They have a lot of utility, they have great damage

[strong forum]

It's underrated? What? It's giga common

[hallow phoenix]

I never see good hunters

Except for last night

Changed how I think about them

[sand egret]

I saw an awesome MM the other day. brought a tear to my eye

[strong forum]

Well I had top 10 parsers in guild, so I guess I was just used to decent bms I guess

Did like 45-50k average on chill 15s nothing crazy

[tribal knot]

What about SPriest, don’t really see many of them in M+? Are they really that bad in mythics ??

[sand egret]

i see tons of em now

[warm plinth]

No, spriest is really good too

[strong forum]

No spriests pump

[hallow phoenix]

Spriest is big aoe pumper

[strong forum]

It's just not meta

[sand egret]

they're really good in M+, there's a bunch of cases where mass dispel is super great

[strong forum]

That's about it

[warm plinth]

They are a little underrepresented for how good they are tbh

[sand egret]

i also feel like it's easy to mess up Spriest

[strong forum]

Good spriests fucking wreck

[warm plinth]

Yeah spriest is probably one of the hardest specs to play well

[sand egret]

esp the more hectic the fight

[warm plinth]

Mmhm

[distant crystal]

so easy to drop dots

[sand egret]

fuck up your cycles and it's just woof

[strong forum]

Every spec apart from affli and destro can destroy in m+ actually

[distant crystal]

so easy to screw up your lucid windows

[warm plinth]

Idk we have an aff lock in our keys sometimes (our rogue's alt) and he pumps

[hallow phoenix]

I've seen both of those destroy keys

[sand egret]

I've seen some really good destro

[strong forum]

Define pump

[distant crystal]

spriest gets better the higher the keys get

they need things to live and they need to be pulling frantically

downtime is the enemy

[sand egret]

not much affliction to be seen tho

[strong forum]

Cuz I can't fathom an affli doing anything relevant in m+ besides boss dmg

And destro outside of CDs

[warm plinth]

I mean, boss damage is important too lol. But he keeps up on overall. His aoe is a little lacking but he destroys bosses

[strong forum]

Ye but 70% of dungeon dmg is trash

[warm plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

Eh idk

[sand egret]

well tbh ill take anyone who has their interrupt on their bars at this poiint

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

So not a demo lock

🙃

[sand egret]

ironically, one of my locks WAS playing demo last night

[strong forum]

Man I wish locks were better... But you have to be a literal god to just do decent in keys

[sand egret]

kept wrecking him in pulls as the tank

so he switched to destro to try and keep up

[strong forum]

Destro is easier

Demo is better at higher skill

[sand egret]

yeah

see: my dps are not.very.good.

[strong forum]

Ye

I did a key on my wl back in uldir

Thought I was fucking mad pumpin as demo

Look at dmg meter.

Barely above tank

[sand egret]

well they were stupid with that trait back then

they had a moment of glory

perma lust basically

[strong forum]

Demo is still King in m+

Like 10x

For wl specs

You can still get amazing haste levels with explosive, but ye late bod it was mad broken

[sand egret]

well, i banned my lock from demo after he sent his felshit into my hibernated screamer...causing it to run into our Tides group with that fear.... -_-

[distant crystal]

yeah they had their brief moment in the meta sun

[strong forum]

Fucking yikes man

[distant crystal]

warlocks doing nosebleed keys for a hot minute

[strong forum]

Sjele is still pumping

[sand egret]

i'm talkin sub 20% parses material

[strong forum]

Like 70k

Ye sub 20 parses are..

🙃

[sand egret]

i looked at the raid's log....just a sea of grey numbers

[strong forum]

Idk how you can manage to still play with em, you must be a tough one

[sand egret]

eh, i used to be a certain way playing wow years ago

but now i'm just ok with playing with people and fuckin around

[strong forum]

I used to play with a streamer back in legion ( very small one) and we just fucked around in keys. Was fun for a couple nights, but then it got gradually worse, when we just kept on inting in m+

And I'm talking depleting 12s

In legion

With like 77+ deaths on upper kara tyrannical, cuz they couldn't get their shit together

[sand egret]

i'm just focusing on maxing my feral parses atm, which is totally on me so I got enough to worry about

shit is not easy

=/

only spec i'm considering getting addons for

[distant crystal]

i am so bad at feral

i usually don't even try the good build

talons/pred

[sand egret]

ew

SbT breh

[distant crystal]

that's the M+ build right

[sand egret]

maybe in fort keys i'll go pred but you're leaving so much boss damage on the table

it's a debate

usually it's pred + MoC

or SbT + BT

[distant crystal]

err yea

talons/saber is the raid pumper build

st/prio

[sand egret]

i like the extra ST from SbT + BT

[distant crystal]

MoC/pred is the easy to play build that pumps cleave

[sand egret]

if you have a fight where adds die constantly, pred can be awesome

[distant crystal]

yeah perma tiger is fun

[sand egret]

perma 80+% crit rate is funnn

[coral marsh]

does animus more damage when you use it with a full ip?

[stuck quarry]

Could u give me some help guys, dont know which combo of trickets to use for m+, i got:

Gore-Crusted Butcher Block 440
Bloodthursty Urchin 430
Mchimba's Ritual Bandages 455
Vial of Animated Blood 455
Merektha's Fang 430

what should i use?

[hollow bolt]

Vial of Animated Blood 455 Gore-Crusted Butcher Block 440 for pumping

[exotic spoke]

With necrotic gore and blood. If it wasn’t necrotic probably gore and urchin

[worn socket]

soooooo

how do you handle this weeks affixes

[tame garden]

Currently have 435 DC/BoM helm and 450 IF/CR shoulders. Which slot would you recommend gambling for?

[worn socket]

cuz this shits trash

[distant crystal]

just stoneform 🙂

[warm plinth]

You tank things until you have 40 stacks, then shockwave, then leap away and kite for a couple of seconds to reset.

30-40, depending on how comfortable you are.

[worn socket]

alright so when i die at 23 stacks

and my healer is doing 15k hps

its not my fault

noted

[tender perch]

hey quick question

[warm plinth]

I mean, it might be your fault I guess. I'm not in the group so idk. But 15k HPS is really low in general.

[tender perch]

what should i do for my azerite traits iron fortress or callous reprisal

[warm plinth]

Hard to gauge based on HPS alone though

Iron Fortress

[distant crystal]

all we can say for sure is it isn't necrotic's fault 🙂

[warm plinth]

Yeah, at 23 stacks you're either taking more damage than you should be, or your healer is just unfamiliar with how necrotic works and isn't adapting his play to it

[coral marsh]

just shadowmeld

[warm plinth]

Imagine playing a night elf 😬

[coral marsh]

only thing alliance offers

[warm plinth]

Uh, dwarves?!

[distant crystal]

^^^

warriors aren't supposed to cower from combat

[chilly brook]

Dwarves are hands down the best thing about alliance

[near ivy]

that says more about alliance than it does about dwarfs : )

[sand egret]

you need to chill. Dwarves are the shit.

[warm plinth]

Master race

[glass finch]

so is mastery just a dps stat? i guess i don't get why stacking block chance would be good when we have a button that gives us really heavy uptime on block chance... unless it's just for the AP

[near ivy]

critical block

also

AP increases things like Ignore Pain

which is inherently defensive

[glass finch]

okie dokie

so the actual block chance just isn't really the thing you want from it

how good is it compared to like... crit/vers? I know that haste is very good but I am new so I was just wondering if there's a heirarchy

[warm plinth]

Mastery itself is actually kind of a meh stat

People think it's better than it is because we want Bastion, but that's because it's a massive amount of mastery at exactly the right time.

Plus it also turns Avatar into a defensive CD

[chilly brook]

@glass finch what do you mean stack block chance?

Or are you referring to the block chance increase from mastery?

[glass finch]

like mastery increases your chance to block by x%, that seems redundant with shield block.

[warm plinth]

Yeah we dont' really care about that part

[glass finch]

I know I am probably saying simple things, I am actually really new.

[chilly brook]

Mastery does a whole lot more than that though

Increases crit block, increases AP which coincidentally buffs your IP

All that being said, there are “better stats” but in the end they’re all good in their own ways and you’re not going to be at a big disadvantage for not having the “best”

[glass finch]

I am just asking because I got for instance a big mastery/little crit ring at 455 with a socket and I was wondering whether to be... upset? That it's not haste and is like a big fucking stack of mastery.

[warm plinth]

Nah it's alright. Not the best 455 ring you can get but I wouldn't be upset about it. It's still 455

[glass finch]

Yeah ok! Thank you

[chilly brook]

@glass finch in general defensively speaking all our stats are valuable and you should just go with whatever gives you the most stats

[surreal stump]

doing queens court i get charged, as the other tank, seems legit

[spice ferry]

what

[near ivy]

looks like it targeted the disc tbh

assuming im looking at the right log, the most recent log i have is a week ago

[surreal stump]

im doing mythic queens court, two pulls now ive been targeted with charge, as one of the two tanks... makes for fun

[distant crystal]

once there's a few dead people it'll start targetting tanks iirc

[near ivy]

@surreal stump link a log

[surreal stump]

lemme check sec