Gtfo monk traitor
#protection
exotic spoke
tame garden
exotic spoke
analog swift
not my fault shiver venom lance is worth 35 fucking ilvls
really think warrior will pull ahead of BRM in keys w/ the extra minor
exotic spoke
Saw a 450 yellow punch card this week. In a carry run...they gave it to the carry
exotic spoke
Not even 430+. Shits weak
analog swift
inorit
bought over 50 of those fuckers
also anybody w/ rank 4 vop is the golden god thing only when it procs?
sand egret
I heard the avatar shader masks the VoP one....
distant crystal
i have r4 on my bear
exotic spoke
You have a slightly more noticeable effect on your hands on proc and that’s it. If you don’t catch it then you don’t see anything
distant crystal
when i use SI it seems slightly more golden
exotic spoke
Had 3 flawless runs so far
distant crystal
but i'm using balance of power appearance so i'm already hella shiny
tame garden
Gummy bear best bear
distant crystal
ye
exotic spoke
Mmmmm gummy bears
distant crystal
just got it
workin on the other colors
side note: if you like haribo gummy bears
try albanese
they're far superior
you can find em on amazon, they're amazing
distant crystal
way softer/juicier
strong forum
Wait you get golden form with r4 procs on other classes?
I have r4 since like week1 but I always thought its just the swirly thats like 5% shinier and that's it
distant crystal
idk i'm lookin at different clips
for different classes w/ r4
nothing really stands out
sick sentinel
is memory any good in M+ for prot?
tame garden
Yep
sick sentinel
Because it looks awful.
tame garden
Why
sick sentinel
Refunds low rage + the proc rate of memory. Id just imagine something else like Conflict + CoF would be better or some other combo.
thanks anyway
tame garden
More rage to feed into anger management for more avatars
tame garden
Yep. All about maximising that avatar uptime in+
sick sentinel
alright cool
analog swift
I'd assume that would change next tier with the major that makes you do 50% increase damage for 6 seconds
use that on a giga pull with cds that's nasty
distant crystal
is that a tank major?
tho still probably wouldn't be too huge, %dmg buffs are worse for tanks than for dps
warm plinth
What essence is that Danger? I'm not seeing anything about a major that makes you do 50% increased damage for 6 seconds. The only one close to that is the one that makes azerite powers of your party do 45% more damage for 20 seconds.
Even so, I can't see a 50% increase for 6 seconds overtaking Vision as our major
potent anvil
Strength of the Warden, I believe.
Aoe taunt and enemies affected by it take 50% more damage from you.
random urchin
Yeah, rank 3 all targets affected take 50% extra dmg from you
hushed cobalt
Dreaming of pre-nerf UF and that warden essence
random urchin
You also get 15% dodge during the taunt, and the minor heals you from a stored healing when you dodge or parry
warm plinth
Idk, it doesn't seem bad but it doesn't seem good enough to take Vision's place in M+. 2 min CD with a 6 sec duration doesn't make it better than Vision for DPS. And it doesn't seem particularly strong defensively either. 15% dodge for 6 seconds on a 2 min CD is kinda meh to me.
Guess we'll see though; I'm far from a spec expert lol.
analog swift
my thought is if you use it with the correctly sized pulls
i mean visions proc is always stellar ofc
what's visions proc rate? 2 ppm?
warm plinth
1ppm
analog swift
so 1ppm
warm plinth
Or something like that
analog swift
that could easily be wasted due to capping or at a bad time
but even then, 10 seconds of avatar
vs. 50% more damage with avatar/demo up
+potting and potentially lust
warm plinth
How do you waste an Avatar proc? Only way to do that is to cast Avatar during a proc
Which you wouldn't do
analog swift
well if you cast if irst doesn't it cap at 20?
so lets say you cast avatar and 3 seconds in get a proc
it caps at 20 seconds buff
it's not 17+5
or when a pack is dying
like i'm thinking atal
use the major going left first mongo pull, maybe once during rezan, then big ass saurid pull, then baby sky screamer pull, then totem guy/x4 shield bearer +stealthy pull, use once during vookaal, back up by the time you do the pack at the bottom of the stairs
just outlineing random pulls in my head, but that's generally how M+ goes, big pull small pull big pull small pull
warm plinth
Avatar doesn't cap at 20 seconds that I'm aware. This is from one of my logs.
analog swift
I mean it's possible you used 15 seconds of avatar and got a few more procs after
like look at your vision procs there i doubt they were within the ifrst 5 seconds of avatar
random urchin
Yeah, I don’t see the Warden essence beating out VoP for us
warm plinth
random urchin
Maybe it could be good for a guardian Druid?
warm plinth
I see what you're saying, so it procs at 17 seconds, which brings it back to 10 seconds or whatever
analog swift
yeah
I don't even see how the two will be close
in high M+
where you're coordinating pulls
I don't see how 2 random procs of 5 secs that might come at a good time will beat 50% increase damage
I mean think about when you go flying into those mongo packs, you'll end at around 60K dps
two avatar procs is not 30K dps
esp if you're timing that with a lust as well
and if it affects pots as well
idk the difference between affect and effect but still
I dont even see how those two are going to be close in coordinated pulls
warm plinth
So like...this looks like it overcapped though
Cast avatar at 17:01, procs at 17:05, still has 27 second uptime. If it capped I would have only gotten 24 seconds right?
analog swift
true
but also
isn't the proc 5 seconds?
how did you manage 27 second uptime
even if it full stacked
warm plinth
It's a 7 sec proc with at least R2
analog swift
OH i'm bad
yeah then I'm wrong then
thanks for showing me
maybe I got it mixed up but I could have sworn it capped
warm plinth
All good; I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy mostly haha
analog swift
maybe I just got confused with wanting to still hit it on CD
warm plinth
Because I could swear it didn't have a cap. It does fuck you over if you cast it during a proc though because it only refreshes to 20 at that point.
But that's player error obviously
warm plinth
I agree
analog swift
still you have the chance to "waste" it if you get it at a shitty time
or just a sub optimal time
I don't care about my proc when I'm fighting the maggot and matron in UR
I want it in the next pack with a tides in it
warm plinth
Yeah that's fair, but you're also not getting 30k DPS from that major because it's only 6 seconds. Even with a 1 sec GCD (potentially less if you have lust), you're looking at 6, MAYBE 7 casts in that 6 seconds. Only half of which will be TC (maybe 4 casts if you choose to wait the fraction of a second instead of casting something else). That's really not that much damage when you consider it's a 2 minute CD. Like let's say you do 10k per TC (for ease of math). During a 7 second Avatar, assuming a 1 sec GCD, you're getting 4 TC. That's 40k damage over 7 seconds. If you use the Warden major, you're going to do 15k damage per TC but you can only get maybe 4 casts if you're perfect or have lust in that 6 seconds. So you gain 5k per TC for 4 casts, which ends up being only 20k damage gained. So you're getting 20k less damage than you would from an Avatar proc, and you would actually get 60k less TC damage overall since you get Avatar procs twice as often as you get the major effect from Warden
Also I suck at math because I factored total TC damage instead of just the gain from Avatar
🙃
analog swift
yeah I'd be interested if it's on the GCD
also i'm at the airport right now, and I have no idea why everybody gets in line like right away no matter what group they're in
like you're seat will always be there
warm plinth
Because people are dumb
Are you flying Southwest? Because I would do the same shit since they do that silly first come first serve crap
analog swift
nah united
warm plinth
Yeah who knows. Entitlement probably
analog swift
lets see for your math
tclap 10K (let's say) after avatar +demo shout (making it easier)
7 seconds of avatar getting let's say 4 claps in
40K vs. 3 claps at 15K
so 40K vs. 45K
that's assuming you get your proc during demo shout (fairly likely)
warm plinth
Right
analog swift
and you do get one more avatar proc
but that's assuming you get the pack when you want it
which is my bigger thunk
you have no idea if you're getting that avatar proc at the beggining of the pull, the end of the pull, on the wrong pull
warm plinth
Yeah I mean...idk. If it was a longer buff, I could see having the right pack choice be important. But Avatar is up so much of the time that you're probably going to get it in the "right" pack and the "wrong" pack anyway
But that's a very marginal difference just for getting to choose when to have the buff
warm plinth
Like even comparing that to an Anima major. You're doing more damage than that buff would give you, with the same CD, and still having the choice of when to use it.
analog swift
but you did swy me I forgot how tight the timer was
well that was assuming tclap did 10K dps
which is like
no
warm plinth
Of course, yeah
Idk. Will definitely be fun to play with it as long as I don't have to do the damn raid to get it 😂
analog swift
i gotta assume that would be a M+ one
exotic spoke
Well, that’s a RIP
exotic spoke
My server no longer has a mythic progression guild
exotic spoke
Haven’t decided yet
strong forum
I feel like I'm rip, 0 motivation to play bfa anymore after blizzcon
sick sentinel
I'll transfer you @exotic spoke
warm plinth
Is that because you're hyped for Shadowlands? Or because you think you won't play Shadowlands?
strong forum
Hype
warm plinth
I get that. Pretty excited for a lot of it. I'm a little bummed they announced no cross-faction grouping but at least I'm on the right side if they're not gonna do it lol
strong forum
Same with d4, can't think of anything else
warm plinth
And they fixed so many gripes I have
exotic spoke
I think my decision will depend on how gearing in m+ works.
warm plinth
I am gonna fuckin live in that tower tbh lol
exotic spoke
Starting in 8.3
sick sentinel
Same Ghash
strong forum
But I'll have to wrap my head around waiting around 2-6 years
For d4
And its terrifying
strong forum
I'm scared, pls hold me
warm plinth
There there Nome
strong forum
Issue is I'm highly impatient
And imagining d4 is too good to be true
So I'm just fucking myself royally
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel so thanks for the offer fuzzy - but for now I’m going to pass. Because it depends on a lot of things in my life and in game
strong forum
Kinda same with 8.3,i hope I can just enjoy fucking around in heroic and m+
warm plinth
Well if it makes you feel any better, we have not timed a 19 yet 🙃 Tried a few this week though
The scaling is starting to be fuckin real at this level lol
warm plinth
Yeah. We've timed a few 18s now though which is a nice feeling
Hoping to have better luck next week. Skittish actually kinda blows for our group because we have a VDH tank. So if he plays the turtle build (which tbh was almost necessary for the 19s), his damage blows and it becomes really hard for him to hold aggro
strong forum
I can't be bothered to tank dungeons anymore unless it's vdh vop/glut build tbh
Ye I did ad 17 with vdh spb + anime
Cuz scared of skittish
warm plinth
Yeah that's what he was running this week. But vop/glut build is such bad damage on trash
warm plinth
Yeah, it was scary a few times. The first pull of FH was fun 🙃
strong forum
It was kinda fine, I just hated that I died on the huge pull in front of priestess
Cuz nobody killed the tides
And I used meta too early
warm plinth
Ez just pull without tides 😄
strong forum
I woulda lived but I played badly... That's what annoyed me the most
Timed it but... Meh
Unhappy
random basalt
Arcane Heart any good guys? cant find info
strong forum
It's trash
warm plinth
Not particularly great
strong forum
Unless you're vdh and you can get 3
random basalt
Well its that or Callous
strong forum
Yikes
warm plinth
What a choice
warm plinth
Bet you never thought you'd say that 😄
strong forum
Ye...
random basalt
Lmao im just swapping back to normal chestpiece instead xd
strong forum
I saw #2 vdh running 3x arcane heart, that kinda makes sense as vop/glut
random basalt
now I have deaf and bastion
warm plinth
👍
strong forum
If its same ilvl you're fine
random basalt
no its not
warm plinth
RIP
strong forum
Hwo much is it
random basalt
435 with retarded heart or 420 with bis traits
strong forum
Eh.
warm plinth
Is it your only DC?
strong forum
At that level I don't think it matters
random basalt
y
strong forum
Stick to 420
warm plinth
Then yeah, it's worth it
strong forum
🔥
random basalt
Okay another big questioon
exotic spoke
You’re a little question ghash
random basalt
But warriors have BIG shoulders
warm plinth
That hurts me Riki
strong forum
Si patron
exotic spoke
I could have said “ghash is little - that’s what she said “
strong forum
Bfi + if + op is good
exotic spoke
trench
strong forum
It's a solid piece
random basalt
Brace is good? huh
strong forum
Very
warm plinth
Yeah o_O
strong forum
Like very good
warm plinth
It gives you block and Shield Slam damage; what's not to like?
strong forum
With it you can hit those juicy 40-60k shield slams
random basalt
I dont like losing 1 Bastion
warm plinth
uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss
random basalt
You are a god then, im asking for m+ tho
warm plinth
I mean, you're gonna have 445s before long anyway. Not something to be super concerned about on 430s
strong forum
Ye still
exotic spoke
I got up to 2100 this season before I got my second bastion back
It’s not the end of the world
random basalt
Lmao
warm plinth
Imagine not having 3 bastions from the get go
warm plinth
You guys need better luck
random basalt
I feel invincible with 3 bom
strong forum
I was 445 already when I got my first bom
random basalt
only to get crushed when avatar ends
exotic spoke
Imagine not having 3 BoM 1 dc and 2 MS at this point ghash. I have that on two characters
exotic spoke
Granted, one is all 430s and the other is 445
strong forum
Iirc ghash doesn't have 3x bom 2x ms 1xdc
strong forum
I do though all on 450
strong forum
Big goy
strong forum
2x UF 1x OP
warm plinth
Wait, where's my other trait
random basalt
dafuq is UF
strong forum
Unstable flames
random basalt
what, u would go for crit? I thought its fckin haste meta... my raid leader fcked me over
warm plinth
I mean, it's mid ring; it depends on your options
If I had the choice between Overwhelming Power and Unstable Flames, I'd still take OP
warm plinth
😢
strong forum
D4 when AAAAAAHHH
strong forum
Blood siphon
exotic spoke
I will shank a bitch
warm plinth
😂
exotic spoke
Thats my meme with my geti enchanted
random basalt
Okay love ya guys, thanks
strong forum
Isnt there a mana refund enchant
random basalt
I think ye
random basalt
btw, is there a trinket from dungeon i could use?
I see everyone using raid trinekts only
warm plinth
Gore-crusted Butcher's Block, Rezan's Gleaming Eye, Vial of Animated Blood
exotic spoke
I already had that on it first before someone suggested siphoning
Though, since I can’t save TR any more maybe I’ll buy pieces and just learn fury with two getis
random basalt
Noice
warm plinth
Sure you can save TR. Get you that 1s per TR
2k gold for a 445 specific 😏 Great conversion Blizz
left hatch
can make way more just cashing out on random 415's, DEing them and selling the crystals (:
exotic spoke
Assuming it’s 1 silver per TR and also Morrison that’s assuming your server has an economy
left hatch
true
warm plinth
My server has too much of an economy.
It's hard to sell something when your AH has 8000 of it at any given time lol
random basalt
My server doesnt have economy
exotic spoke
What are people?
warm plinth
You know, those things where if you put 20 together you have a raid group
exotic spoke
I have the highest and 11th highest io for prot on my server. 2289 and 1078
To get to first and third I need to get Probablyriki to 1430....given that I only have a UR 2 that’s 80 points there just to get a 10 done.
And now I get to make the post and watch what my guild discord does
warm plinth
🍿
exotic spoke
Not much will probably happen until tomorrow night
tame garden
warm plinth
Did you already post it?
strong forum
Welcome to the club riki, I killed it 2 weeks ago
worldly nymph
medallion from pvp any good?
torn gulch
good evening i have a dilema
exotic spoke
Then you should make lemonade
torn gulch
i have same ring 435 with haste/versa/socket and 440 with haste/versa/avoidance
exotic spoke
But seriously what’s up
torn gulch
what would you pick
exotic spoke
And @worldly nymph probably not
exotic spoke
But it depends what the options are
left hatch
wait what?
exotic spoke
@torn gulch I didn’t see any links or items
left hatch
they're incredibly valuable on rings
exotic spoke
@left hatch yes - but they are more valuable for dps specs
Oh sorry it just showed up Ivan
exotic spoke
Ivan you should use the socket
torn gulch
435 with socket vs 440 with avoidance
strong forum
Sockets on Ring I personally value 15ilvl
exotic spoke
I do 11. I.e. a 440 socket over a 450. But I’d take a 455 over the 440 socket
torn gulch
ok thank you very much
left hatch
avoidance should never be a factor unless its on equivilant ilvl
and even then secondary's get precedence
exotic spoke
That’s true for every tertiary too
torn gulch
i hope forging goes completely next xpac as i find it ridiculous to stay and balance items like that
left hatch
i was 100% ok with warforging
and even more so with the currency system in MoP and WoD you could use to upgrade things 5-10 ilvls
mortal brook
Valor was good, measured progression. marketing team thinks we stick around more for a slot machine gearing tho D:
spice ferry
warforge + some sort of upgrade to beat bad rng would be the dream imo
left hatch
esp if after upgraing all your pieces you could use spare currency to put tertiaries onto it
rapid jewel
warforging was ok, titanforging is just over the top
daring marlin
chase the dragon boy
mortal brook
warforging is a nice treat. Turboforging letting the LFR hero have bis is too much.
outer dew
#BringBackTitanForging
warm plinth
^
mortal brook
🗞
exotic spoke
If m+ rewards aren’t reworked titsnforging needs to exist
distant crystal
let people use titan residuum to upgrade M+ pieces' ilvl
:D
or some other resource you get from M+
near ivy
you cant make TR do anything other than buy azerite
because people already complain about how hard it is to get azerite
you can only do that if you add another way to get azerite
exotic spoke
Just make it so m+ is self sustaining
distant crystal
either pump up the titan residuum you get or give a separate resource for upgrading
exotic spoke
I don’t want to have to mythic raid just to do what I enjoy
distant crystal
just don't make it RNG bullshit
bring back emblems of valor or something
or....templatize M+
every item gets scaled up to mythic raid ilvl or something
exotic spoke
Meh, I don’t care about that and I’ve hated scaling
near ivy
if your gear gets scaled in m+
it means that your gear FROM m+ makes no change to you IN m+
distant crystal
you can still get idealized stats
warm plinth
Well first of all, loot is part of the reward for M+ (not all of it but part of it). And scaling never seems to work properly.
So I would hate that.
distant crystal
and whatnot
ideally we get this bullshit corruptionforging as a stopgap
and then no forging at all after
🤞
warm plinth
Also! 65 points til big kid land
distant crystal
i'm 28 points away 😮
exotic spoke
Corruption forging isn’t a stop gap
warm plinth
Tbh they need something for M+ while we have corruption
exotic spoke
If anything it exacerbates the issue and forces m+ pushing into mythic raids
warm plinth
Because it's still gonna feel bad having (for example) a 430 corrupted piece from M+ vs a 445 corrupted piece from a raid
distant crystal
it's not a stopgap for M+ it's just a sort of weaning off of forging
or at least that's my hope
warm plinth
It's really not though. There's literally zero difference between having corrupted gear and not having corrupted gear in terms of the gear gap
distant crystal
there's a lot of things they could do to address the M+ gear issue
they don't want people to be able to pump M+ all day and night and outgear the raid super fast
warm plinth
Then they need to just make it so M+ gear scales further. It was dumb to put the gear cap at +10 anyway
exotic spoke
I guess my point is - mythic pluses we’re designed with titanforging in mind.
Let’s not remove a key feature of how gear rewards work mid expansion and hope whatever they throw together sufficiently covers the gap
distant crystal
is it confirmed m+ gear won't corruptionforge
warm plinth
No, it should
distant crystal
iunno, i heard somebody say that other content wouldn't and it would still war/titanforge
but i hear all kinds of shit
too much time in discord
warm plinth
Pre-S4 content will still war/titanforge
oblique garnet
Old content ie ep etc
warm plinth
But it caps at 455
oblique garnet
^
exotic spoke
It will corruption forge but if it can’t be attained at mythic raid level then people pushing keys need to raid to give them the best chance
warm plinth
Not that I'm aware. I saw it in the Shadowlands intro video from the Blizzcon stream.
exotic spoke
Except it’s not
distant crystal
and weapons
distant crystal
oh i know >:)
exotic spoke
And 4 pieces instead of all but 3
warm plinth
Yeah, a 455 vs a 450 compared to a 430 vs a 445 is a big difference
distant crystal
but it's super duper fucking rare
warm plinth
Even if the 450 is RNG
exotic spoke
But you have a chance
exotic spoke
No
distant crystal
yes lol
exotic spoke
You get one or two chances at 455
distant crystal
1 chance per week versus several chances per week
warm plinth
I have zero chance of getting a 455 weapon from raiding if I don't raid.
exotic spoke
Again, I don’t care about the 455
distant crystal
varies based on spec
exotic spoke
I’m purely saying 445
distant crystal
and still
warm plinth
Yeah I agree with that.
distant crystal
like, make it so you wouldn't be able to do high enough keys early in the season/tier
to get mythic gear
warm plinth
Not only does that mean I could still be successful gearing from keys but it actually provides a little more incentive (if scaled right) because I get upgrades longer.
distant crystal
so you have to progress for a bit
like 10-15 is heroic ilvl gear
16-20 is just below mythic
exotic spoke
I mean - I did a 17 week 1.
exotic spoke
20s too high for that imo. Since the amount of people reliably doing 20s is Lower than the amount of people doing the first 1/3-1/2 of mythic
distant crystal
i mean they would want it to be hard
and if the gear scaling kept going to and above 20
more people would prob run them
but they can't both increase the # of drops and increase the base ilvl of drops
cause doing a 20 and getting 8 mythic ilvl pieces
exotic spoke
Mythic level gear, imo, should come from a key that the same % of people who participate in m+ can do as guilds that do 1/3-1/2 of mythic raid
warm plinth
So I don't think you can set it to a specific key or key range
distant crystal
is a bit much
warm plinth
Because the scaling changes by season
Like requiring a 15 in S2 vs a 15 in S3 is a completely different beast
exotic spoke
More so the scaling :p
warm plinth
No you're forgetting they upped the base Mythic difficulty and increased the level scaling by 8%
Which makes higher keys exponentially harder
near ivy
hence why 10's are roughly just as difficult
distant crystal
i mean people are still doing similar key levels
distant crystal
people are doing 24s
warm plinth
Highest keys so far are 24s I think
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, in any season there are certain weeks that have an inconsistently high level of key completed
distant crystal
but regardless
warm plinth
Because the affix combination is easy
near ivy
theres about 40 timed 24's now, i stand corrected
distant crystal
their intent, whether they succeed or not, is to keep key level difficulty fairly consistent
near ivy
but the point still stands that key scaling got changed
oblique garnet
Beguiling itself slows dungeons down more than reaping ever did
distant crystal
and were people even really doing non-free keys at 25-26 last season
or was that mostly just TD/siege
warm plinth
My point is just that they can't set it and forget it.
Like a +15 can't always be the requiremnt for x level gear
oblique garnet
So you will end up capping the dungeon difficulty unless you do mdi level pulls in high keys which reguires insane gear, coordination and specific@comps
distant crystal
making the dungeon kill the mobs
near ivy
exotic spoke
Waat, the thing is - the majority of hear from a mythic raid comes from the first half, or so, of a raid. There are some exceptions of course. So you don’t need to be a CE guild to get full mythic gear
So I shouldn’t have to do 20s to get mythic loot when guilds that can only do 3/8 or 4/8 have a ton of mythic gear
warm plinth
They have to evaluate the relative difficulty to previous seasons
warm plinth
In S2, yeah
distant crystal
lol
warm plinth
lul
distant crystal
DK new meta
sharp night
td is easier on tyrannical than fort this season for sure though
near ivy
exotic spoke
Sorry I meant FH
near ivy
@sharp night last boss has a couple things to say
warm plinth
Imagine doing so bad on your 26 AD that a +5 AD is better 😏
distant crystal
people are getting pretty good at maximizing those 5 cannon shots
exotic spoke
First boss to staratar
distant crystal
ring of frost, ursols, ring of peace, etc
warm plinth
I mean, tbh last boss difficulty is purely RNG on how many overlaps you get
near ivy
at really high levels yea @exotic spoke
distant crystal
to funnel a buttload of mobs into one spot and blast em 5x
warm plinth
I agree with you there
exotic spoke
Yup. 20+ it hurts like a mother fucker on tyrannical
distant crystal
fort just needs a really good plan
warm plinth
Just saying that RNG can make that fight really easy or really hell
near ivy
ofc
distant crystal
tyr needs good luck and a really good healer
warm plinth
First boss can be rough too
near ivy
and some fucking blaster dps @distant crystal
kill the boss before the healer runs out of mana
distant crystal
well yeah you always need that
warm plinth
That's the ideal M+ strategy for killing bosses
warm plinth
Also make sure boss HP = 0 before group's HP = 0
exotic spoke
Ok John Madden
warm plinth
BOOM
distant crystal
he's givin' him the business
warm plinth
Honestly I think TD will be a lot more tolerable next season
Most of the frustration for me comes from having to deal with the emissaries some weeks when you're trying to gather shit for the cannons. The 5 shots is limiting obviously but you can work around it with practice.
sharp night
yeah it'll be way more tolerable
we'll just pull everything in the start
and then find the obelisk and drag the miniboss all the way to last boss
skip all the outer area done
warm plinth
Yup 😂
sharp night
who needs shroud when you can literally skip the entire second half of the dungeon
sharp night
won't have to die in ml either
warm plinth
inb4 someone mentions smeld
distant crystal
stoneform OP
warm plinth
Well, depends on where the obelisk is and if they need a cast time or not I guess
sharp night
there's 4
distant crystal
just use the obelisk
sharp night
so you drag one miniboss each to each of the bosses
outer dew
ALLIANCE #!
distant crystal
and stoneform all the bleedz
warm plinth
They could probably make us kill trash in ML that we aren't killing now
sharp night
unless they put all the obelisks in second half
warm plinth
Because the obelisk is in trash that we have to clear
sharp night
which blizz might actually do
distant crystal
safety sharks
sharp night
then ml is just a dead key
distant crystal
new ML meta
warm plinth
If they do that I think I'll just not do ML
New achievement: Reach 2k r.io without a ML key
sharp night
but you won't get the ksm achievement 😦
warm plinth
I think KSM actually says season 3 or 4 anyway
distant crystal
i was like 1800 without conq or master chievo
sharp night
it does
sharp night
there's one for each season
warm plinth
I'm thinking of a different achievement maybe
sharp night
you're thinking of the r4 essence that requires "ksm in s3 or later"
warm plinth
There's on that explicitly says season 3 or 4 but I can't think of what it is now
Yeah that's probably it
distant crystal
there's an achieve for completing a 10 or a 15 in time
then there's the season feat
for doing all 10s
or all 15s
that season
warm plinth
Yeah, I'm thinking of the anima/iris R4 one
but if nothing else I have Mechagon M+ to look forward to
Can't wait to fuck up a shield on the 2nd half and get trucked by a bolstered short circuit
warm plinth
That will never happen.
distant crystal
warm plinth
Can you imagine if you did HM on 1st 3 bosses and the bots dropped sanguine whenever they self destructed? 😂
Especially on slime boss and king what's his face
warm plinth
No I'm still convinced the most terrifying fuckin part of that dungeon is gonna be that plant on 2nd to last boss
distant crystal
restodruid still mandatory
sharp night
to clear your movement stacks
warm plinth
Oh yeah, that would be bad too lol
We'll be stacking paladins for that part of Mecha
sharp night
oh look your whole party just took their full hp bar in damage
warm plinth
So you can just freedom it instead
sharp night
because you had to clear stacks
warm plinth
Don't think you're doing that on +15 tyr though!
Like I think vent is still like...20ish % HP even at 440
Maybe a little less
Not on a tank obviously
distant crystal
arg i need to find my rogue a mythic run tonight
only really care about first boss tbh
distant crystal
my sin weaps are kinda shit
warm plinth
Rapid subject change
warm plinth
I was like why do you need 1st boss of Mechagon lul
distant crystal
what even is the first boss of mechagon lol
distant crystal
both of those trinkets are socketed too 🙂
warm plinth
I was actually looking at your follys
distant crystal
those aren't sadly
near ivy
@distant crystal fuck you : )
distant crystal
l u c k y b o i
near ivy
450 getti
warm plinth
I'm using a 435 and 430 crawg tusk on my DH
near ivy
450 + 445 folly with 455 445 socket ink coral
exotic spoke
I know... I guess I should learn how to fury with my getis
near ivy
and you still havent paid your 100k debt : )
warm plinth
Sell your RNG
distant crystal
oof that played time
near ivy
just sell the character
warm plinth
Imagine having over 100k
warm plinth
I play dangerously. I have sub-50k combined on all toons at any given time.
near ivy
👀
warm plinth
I did a dungeon the other day with 45g on my DH
near ivy
i did multiple 999999g cross gambles a couple raids ago
warm plinth
Nah you need R3 ripple
distant crystal
i should really get those last two r3
warm plinth
BiS essence
distant crystal
for the chievos
exotic spoke
warm plinth
Or Worldvein for that matter (I guess maybe in raids?)
distant crystal
i've heard of people using ripple in arenas
and worldvein is semi ok on some raid fights
warm plinth
Guess that makes sense since it's a PvP essence
distant crystal
but nobody likes to use it
warm plinth
Yeah I figure even when you can stack it, you still have that really short radius you have to stand in
So any movement fucks you
distant crystal
i should really do hertz locker on this toon
can't believe i only did it on my scuffed bear druid
warm plinth
There are only two challenges to getting Hertz Locker now
Not fucking up the sequence on Mecha
distant crystal
finding 5 people who aren't pepega clickers for king mech
warm plinth
And trying not to do huge meme pulls at the start of the dungeon and getting double enrage shockwaved
exotic spoke
(no shit - that stopped one of our runs)
distant crystal
and not inting on trash early
warm plinth
I've never fallen into the furnace myself
distant crystal
y'all ready for worldquest event boys
warm plinth
Uh, no
warm plinth
What are resources
grand drum
im ready for the anniversary and the deathwing mount
near ivy
use gold to buy rolls
warm plinth
Does anyone know what the dumbest max level content you can possibly do is?
warm plinth
Tokens are back down to like 180k you're good
distant crystal
or maybe warfronts
grand drum
warfront, probably
warm plinth
Nah
distant crystal
oh they dipped back? nice
warm plinth
War resource emissaries
Imagine doing 4 quests for 200 resources. Biggest waste of time ever.
near ivy
warm plinth
I was gonna buy one when they were at 200k and a friend was like nah they're gonna go higher
distant crystal
oof
warm plinth
Then they dropped lol
distant crystal
i have somehow managed to avoid spending $ on wow for like 1.5 years now
warm plinth
Because 200k is actually a significant amount of money to me.
near ivy
distant crystal
i used to buy a token or two every month lol
i fuckin
fatfingered the reset stats button
i usually run the cg for my raid
felt so bad 😦
warm plinth
Is that where you guys get all your money? Gambling in raid?
near ivy
yep
distant crystal
i was legit up like 1.5 million for awhile
distant crystal
i did some big deathrolls with a guildy and won like all of em
near ivy
our rogue basically funnels the whole guild gold
and the rogue gets his gold from his wife
distant crystal
had a dude that legit had to wait for token purchase cooldown to finish paying me back
near ivy
who im pretty sure has hired a hitman on him now
we have a rule
if you enter and lose
and cant pay RIGHT THEN
you need to pay double
otherwise you are perma banned
spice ferry
isn't that where everyone makes their money?
near ivy
its 100% not where our rogue makes his money xd
distant crystal
old guild had a lot of people that would gamble gold they didn't have yet
now it's mostly just "gotta mail gold from alt next break"
i had a dude that owed me 70K and gquit
but still mailed me the gold before he xferred
standup guy
near ivy
i got paid 180k instead of 90k on a roll because a guy didnt have the gold to trade
the thing is that the guy is worth probably 20-30million gold
its just all on different servers 😂
distant crystal
every time i see someone that is super wow rich
i think they could probably use that effort to be IRL rich
instead
that's like the whole game for some people
just playing the AH
warm plinth
I don't raid, thus I don't gamble
Maybe they do use that effort. Maybe they play the stock market irl
distant crystal
fair enough
swift stag
For M+ is it worth dropping down 10 ilvls on an item for a socket?
distant crystal
generally no but it depends on the slot, stats, etc
exotic spoke
What item jimmyrastler
exotic spoke
Waat are you alliance or horde
distant crystal
alli
just got into a pug
no dagger 😐
prob gonna get a folly and a coral to give away though >:|
clever crater
I got so many 430 trinkets I have no idea what to use. I do mainly mythics but sometimes I raid, what would you recommend? I'm using edict of the faithless (445) and Rezan's Eye (425) atm. Do you guys find another combination better?
distant crystal
some combo of edict/urchin/barnacle/vial
imo
for m+
just depends how you want to sway from more dmg to more defense
warm plinth
You're a barnacle
distant crystal
i am actually sitting in front of behemoth rn
warm plinth
You'd use a 430 barnacle over 425 rezan's?
clever crater
lmao
warm plinth
Only like 3-4% of my overall though which isn't that great imo. Not that I can say for sure that Rezan would do better, especially 5 ilevel lower. #feelycraft
Not saying 3-4% of overall is bad. Just that idk if Rezan would be better.
Curse you lack of effective M+ sims!
clever crater
Thanks for the ideas guys. Gonna test it. 🙂
prisma valve
Would you pick dps or prot as spec when you go for the stromgarde heroic box? since people barely use defensive trinkets as prot?
idk, i gotta read up more 😄
chilly brook
I mean prot if you need a 1h or shield
prisma valve
aye.
chilly brook
otherwise doesn't really matter
fervent trail
is there no way to pick up agro from outside of 20 yards? these snap pulls feel a lot harder than they should be compared to other tank specs
ionic fern
🤔
fervent trail
30 yards *
ionic fern
Charge->Intervene/Leap->Snap.
Rogue/hunter MD.
outer dew
Doent throw have a higher threat gen?
ionic fern
Yes but it has a 30yd range.
shadow wind
exotic spoke
Sup guys
ionic fern
Food. Serious protection warrior discussion.
exotic spoke
It’s 4:21 am. I don’t know if I should participate in either @ionic fern
Can you provide guidance
ionic fern
Did you wake up or have you not gone to bed yet? 🤔
exotic spoke
Technically I’ve gone to bed. But I haven’t gone to sleep
ionic fern
Go to sleep.
You're welcome.
exotic spoke
Lol
ionic fern
I'll bill you at the end of the month for the advice.
ionic fern
No, i only take Skyhold street cred.
ionic fern
😎
exotic spoke
I’m glad I got my inkpod already - because I know I won’t get another chance at a mythic one
ionic fern
I have a Inkpod..445 from mythic - just got it last reset so i'm gonna equip it this raid.
😄
exotic spoke
Ohhh I misunderstood
exotic spoke
It’s fun - especially on ashvane
I use it in m+ sometimes just due to passive and high Ilvl l
wary rose
Hey for ~+15 Keys, would you still use offensive trinkts (in my case 445 Rezan, and 1200 Haste Computation Device) or start using deff trinkets like the one of ashvane or court?( Have only access no HC so ~430ilvl).
ionic fern
Rezans and Haste Computation both work for you defensively as well.
ionic fern
^
wary rose
Yeah, understand that :/
ionic fern
I would suggest you keep on using them for now since they are great trinkets for prot warrior.
If you feel like you wanna swap one of them out for a more "defensive" option then i'd suggest Computation since i take it that's a lot lower ilvl than the Rezan's.
Trinkets won't make or brake anything in regards to your survivability - they will help a tiny bit but most of it still comes from your own play.
exotic spoke
I’d agree with mwahi there
wary rose
Okay, thank you.
honest plinth
What trinketa Should i use. I have 430 urchin 445 jes howler 435 big Red button. Should i swap urchin for rbrb?
honest plinth
Thanks
void hill
Anyone know of a m+ bis list?
left hatch
traits? trinkets? essences?
because of TF there isn't a generic BiS list for most slots
void hill
Everything I don't raid on warrior alt
left hatch
for gear Haste>=Crit>Verse>Mast for M+
traits you want 3 BoM, 1 DC, 2 fill in the blank ideally Meticulous Scheming
(this is also why mastery is valued so low in M+ cause of the amount you get from 3 BoM stacks)
void hill
Yea
left hatch
essences basically never take Vision outta major
void hill
Im good on that stuff just trying to figure out what dungeons to try and farm for a weapon
marble cipher
Atal is nice, as it has a weapon and a shield
left hatch
socket and leech arn't even worth 5ilvls on a weapon sadly
marble cipher
but, any weapon will do, just go for ilvl, and open weekly chest in prot loot spec
left hatch
with the exception of MAYBE the zaqul weapon
void hill
Yup did a 14 this week hopefully a good chest
410 weapon with skiddish has not super fun
marble cipher
I know you said you don't raid, but, you can always pug first boss on HC, drops a 1H weapon too, and hc would be 430 ilvl, so, it's another weekly chance at a weapon I guess
void hill
I'm not against reading I'm 6/8m on priest
Raiding
Just can't do it all lol with my time
marble cipher
Then I would throw first boss pugs in there just for a shot at a weapon (until you actually have a 430 already)
marble cipher
yup, you do 😄
left hatch
but like he said too, atal is really nice, besides a shield and 1-h it also has Rezans
which is ❤
marble cipher
3xBoM and lots of avatar uptime, good fun in M+
left hatch
for teh same reason waycrest is worth doing, 1-h and butchers block
just spam 10's on botha those adn you'll be set
void hill
I have a 430 butcher's block luckily
left hatch
atal it is
with that and rezan's you're more or less set for trinks from dungeon sources
unless you wanna pad with Vial
(drops from UR)
left hatch
pug radiance and.... ashvane? i think have the shield drops
marble cipher
Atal is also generally quite fast, especially at +10, so, you can get a lot of runs in a small timeframe
marble cipher
you have to get a group that can get passed Sivarra first though 😉
spent four hours on three chars trying to pug Sivarra yesterday, only to be amazed at how bad a lot of people really are 😄
left hatch
lul
void hill
yea im not interested in that struggle bus
left hatch
idr which dungeons drop shields outside atal, but again just go for w/e
secondaries have basically no meaning on weapon and shield
all about that wdmg and block rating
void hill
i have a 430 shield currently but i like the stats on atal better
marble cipher
atal, tol dagor, and probably others, I'm only certain on those two.
But yeah, 430 is already fine, so, farm atal for trinket/weapon and you might get a higher ilvl shield out of there if you're lucky
void hill
my azerite is 420, my legs, main hand, and one trinket are currently 400-410. that's my focus
marble cipher
afaik there's good plate legs in atal too 😄
left hatch
yeh