I'm talking about bfi on his shoulders
#protection
rapid jewel
yeah i know, but i would keep helm with iron fortress and reroll shoulders
for m+ that is
rapid jewel
Fixed it ๐
hallow phoenix
BoM is huge in m+
hallow phoenix
He is missing it on his helm slot is what I'm saying, so he should try to get a new helm imo
There's like 2/3 chance of getting a helm with bom
rapid jewel
but to be honest, i would reroll all 3 of this pieces ๐
hallow phoenix
Eh the shoulders really aren't bad
I'm currently using them
Theres only one shoulder I'd take over it
Maybe 2
rapid jewel
the shoulders are fun for a reckless fury, brace for impact build, but thats it in my opinion
rapid jewel
BoM is overrated in singletarget in my opinion
hallow phoenix
He said he mostly does m+
rapid jewel
yeah i know, but i would not recommend bom + bfi for m+, bom + dc beats that every day
hallow phoenix
For pure damage sure
I'd never run more than 1 DC though
More defensive traits lets you pull more safely
hallow phoenix
Basically @clever crater how soon could you run mythic radiance
Cause helm of the dread waters is a very very good helm
clever crater
I only pug, so I basically can't get mythic kills, lol. Got first boss to 5% two times
Generally I settle for getting 15+ dgs
unreal salmon
hey guys i have a question whats the main stats for warriors?
hallow phoenix
I would reroll your helm then
clever crater
I will print all the explanation for further research, lmao
Thank you very much! ๐
hallow phoenix
If you get one with bom and dc, then you can get a new chest as well
rapid jewel
If you have gold to burn, you can take ingi helm
hallow phoenix
Engi helm is good
Strength @unreal salmon
Or ilvl, depending on what you're asking
onyx vessel
Bom is good for raiding
hallow phoenix
Pretty sure having at least one is suggested defensively in raids
Free IP
It's also good damage
Beaten by like 2 traits
clever crater
Got this. Didn't even knew about this second trait. Interesting
hallow phoenix
For survival you go ilvl
I'd say that's a better helm for sure. Probably want IF instead of the poison... lifesteal... one.
Though that trait is good for single target damage
hallow phoenix
Triple is the dream :)
Now I would focus on downing radiance for her helm then you can work on replacing that chest.
Not sure what the uptime on the haste trait is though
sick sentinel
does a 430 wityh socket shield trump an identical 440 without socket?
hallow phoenix
No
sick sentinel
so higher ilvl?
hallow phoenix
Shield is always ilvl. Block value (and armor) are so important that ilvl always wins
hallow phoenix
Most people around here like edicts, urchin, rezans, butchers block
I also like vial
sick sentinel
like i have rezans fury 400 ilvl and punch card now but i have an enthrallers 415 and bwomsamdi both with sockets and bwom 420
hallow phoenix
What is enthrallers
hallow phoenix
And what red card is in the computational device?
sick sentinel
1,152 haste for 12 seconds
hallow phoenix
For now I'd use the computational device and... Not a fan of anything else you have lol. The rezans is very low ilvl but I'd probably use it over the other options
sick sentinel
410 lingering spore is only other lol
hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
Gorecrusted is good too if you like doing WM
Alch trinket is good
At this point almost any 430 trinket would be an upgrade
Probably even 430 sporepod
sick sentinel
@clever crater there are pugs who get to 5/8m
Shouldn't hold you back
you can kill ashvane with decent group for urchin
hallow phoenix
Wish my guild could get 5/8...
sick sentinel
im killing for couple weeks now no urchin tho ๐ฆ
First ashvane pug kill got my urchin
:)
:)(: f you :)(:
hallow phoenix
I got a 445 jes howler I've been playing with
sick sentinel
Well I mean, I have been trying for 2 months
before
then my guild is on M azshara so I benched myself and I finally got it
hallow phoenix
Friend traded it to me because he's using 455 socketed bullshit
Benched for monk?
sick sentinel
Ye, I didn't want to do azshara so I forced them to bench me
hallow phoenix
Fair enough
sick sentinel
is the honey bufffood worth on m+?
zaq is piss easy
and I benched myself before the nerfs
and I'm not sitting on a boss for a month
hallow phoenix
Hey azshara is trying her best leave her alone
sick sentinel
no seriously
quiet crane
they nerfed her into the ground
sick sentinel
zaq is the easiest boss in the game for me
I legit just follow the tank
and even if I don't pop a single mitigation
not cast a single ablility
we can kill it
quiet crane
are you not the tank?
sick sentinel
I am the tank
quiet crane
whos your co to not main tank
sick sentinel
I'm the co
quiet crane
main tank sorry*
sick sentinel
BM
quiet crane
eh yuck
strong forum
Ah I see mvpg is a man of culture aswell
hallow phoenix
Hi Nom
sick sentinel
^
strong forum
Bfa is dead to me now
hallow phoenix
Anyone preorder yet?
sick sentinel
Yes
hallow phoenix
Bastion covenant best covenant
compact geyser
For a warrior or should I just slap Edicts into magic mode or should I be changing based on the dungeon?
compact geyser
cheers
sick sentinel
I don't think switching it to magic damage is giong to save you
as you will reset your physical shield
and then your shield will get 1 shot
by the time zuls dead, your shield will probably not be up
full cloud
Can I get a sanity check?
The PvP talent, Thunderstruck... it definitely seems to share a DR with something now. Is that a recent change? ...or am I maybe not noticing when people are using immobilization immunity?
All the guides and forum posts say it has no DR with anything, but I see people immune it quite often.
void hill
For benthic gear is leech or socket better
undone sun
Socket
potent anvil
@full cloud The root doesn't apply on targets with a slow of 30% or greater. At least in pve, I dunno what else it interacts with in pvp.
warm plinth
@full cloud Deswind is correct. I did prot in 3s to get CnS and if our frost mage had a frozen orb on someone, it wouldnโt work. Thatโs most likely what it was (not necessarily frozen orb but a 30% or greater slow)
exotic spoke
@void hill Leech isnt worth going after. If you get it great... if not - no big deal. Sockets however... Sockets are worth
void hill
@undone sun @exotic spoke ty
wooden radish
@ionic fern hi
ionic fern
@wooden radish 
I saw the word leech after i answered you so i'm gonna bail for now.
๐
warm plinth
Wow
astral crystal
god kyrian looks LIT
brittle owl
ARE YOU GUYS NUTTING YET
warm plinth
Jesus christ
When they started talking about totems and auras, I thought you guys were gonna be right and they were bringing back stances
warm plinth
๐
grave marsh
autumn pendant
undone sun
crystal dirge
thinking about getting into the horde market with my warrior, which race would you recommend? I was thinking Orc or Belf, not sure if there is any huge bonus from either, like Nelf/Dwarf on alli
warm plinth
Yeah tbh I'd just go with what you like
undone sun
No huge advantages
warm plinth
If you like orc/belf, I'd probably choose belf just because torrent is handy in a couple spots
in M+*
Like you can zerker rage and run into the minions in KR and use torrent to clear the pack
Pretty nifty
That being said fuck belf
sick sentinel
I'm sure you would
sick sentinel
Oh bb
Don't threaten me with a good time.
But I think @exotic spoke would be jealous that you're cheating on him
I was here for KR 24
exotic spoke
Hes cheating on @outer dew not me if he did that
hasty nova
warm plinth
They're pretty much all named after their class hall I think; there are a few exceptions though
sick sentinel
so only rank 2 sphere matters right
warm plinth
Technically rank 1 is fine. Rank 2 just gives you a little added uptime if you kite
But you really don't need rank 3 at all since that just gives the speed bonus
hushed creek
is shpere of supressed force any good for m+ ? or it works only in pvp ?
warm plinth
The minor is great
Big static haste with 100% uptime and a slow which can be handy in the rare instances you need to kite
hushed creek
thx ๐
brittle owl
aka on necrotic
astral crystal
quit WoW since my guild died and i've just been working and seeing a gril
lusty grotto
god help you
astral crystal
my power level has faded, i've normified considerably
astral crystal
max boomer status tbh, youre right
mental scarab
Some abilities are no longer Specialization-exclusive:
Shield Block is now available to all three specs (provided you have a shield)
Wtf๐
grave marsh
yea, that scared me too
warm plinth
Why does it scare you o_O
stark scroll
Challenging shout mmmmmm
warm plinth
I'm pretty psyched about challenging shout
lusty grotto
dont really care about challenging
warm plinth
Eh I mean, it's not really necessary but I ain't gonna be mad about an AoE taunt
lusty grotto
yeah i guess hehe
warm plinth
Nice for the pull during skittish where you don't have Avatar and the DH opens with Eye Beam>BD>Iris
๐
except man
RIP Iris
๐ข
daring marlin
brittle ledge
got servant splitter 440 out of a m+
and I have a sharkbait fishhook with a socket 430
exotic spoke
Itโs all about shattering throw
undone sun
You'd use servent for the damage, iirc the proc out weigh stats at equal+ ilevel
sick sentinel
only on ST tho
analog swift
@mental scarab I think that was more for 1-10 leveling
sick sentinel
durning avatar what is the rotation in mythic +
warm plinth
Thunder Clap>X>repeat, with X being Shield Slam, Revenge, Devastate in that priority order
strong forum
smth like that
sick sentinel
ty
sick sentinel
So really
it's
Smash face on keyboard > Smash Face on Keyboard > Smash Face on Keyboard
strong forum
like every spec
terse dragon
The best is when you can clap continuously when lust is up or in temple
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel
Lol
Nice playing with you in normal today
Getting top world 10 normal parses Bahaha
sick sentinel
is there a base haste you should not exceed in prot?
tiny sphinx
there is no such thing as too much haste
outer dew
Same applies with @warm plinth
๐
except
he's apparetnly cheating on me
so who knows
warm plinth
?!?!
warm plinth
It was just a joke! D:
outer dew
so you saying
I can go up to other dudes
and go "i'd fuck you"?
and you'd be okay with that
๐ข
serene bay
what essences would you guys recommend for m+?
sick sentinel
Guys, I know this seems plainly retarded, but I've been going through a lot of recordings of my M+ runs and I seem to take way more damage when relying on Last Stand + Bolster vs. Shield Block.
When Bolster is talented, Last Stand blocks all melee attacks, Shield Block: Blocking all melee attacks...[can critically block], is there any way to check how much / often SB critically blocks in Details?
The often is based on your mastery
It shouldn't matter no matter what
Where your 100% block comes from
Yes, but where as SB can critically block (or so it says), SB can't....or can it?
That's what I'm trying to find out. Bolster + Last Stand doesn't specify it.
But inherently, all blocks can be critical blocks, regardless of what you're using.
It's not like SB magically flips a switch "oh, ok, now we can critically block bro"
...or does it?
shadow wind
We'll you're likely starting pulls with Avatar and Shield Block
By the time you use Last Stand, your Avatar is likely falling off
So you lose the mastery bonus
sick sentinel
Bolster and SB both give you 100% block.. Every single you hit you take, it checks your block. Parry, and all the other defensive attributes then it sees if it crit blocks before outputting it.
So the damage you take, is all after it checked if the crit block rng factor worked. It works exactly like regular crit
It's just rng on hit vs on cast
You doing last stand or sb
doesn't effect anything
It's just going through your defensive stats after the 100% block is added to it
sick sentinel
When I use sphere, I have issues with kitting. Do I turn my side a little and strafe ?
It's awkward movement doing it like that as I use my mouse to move
back peddling makes it so they catch up to fast
strong forum
I jump backwards with strafe
Then midair turn my front to the enemies
While jumping
So I can block while being 100% movementspeed
sick sentinel
w0t
hallow phoenix
big brain micro play
but yeah to kite well you have to be strafing
The secret is to not kite though :^)
inland thunder
Just starting Prot tanking after a long stint as brewmaster was just wondering if there was a section that went through the best essences as I couldn't see it
sweet summit
VoP major - CnS/Aegis/Lucid/Sphere/Null minors
inland thunder
Ahh okay thanks
exotic rapids
Can anyone answer the following question regarding Tol Dagor:
If you skip the group with the 2 seaspeakers in the stairway, do you have to kill bobby because he otherwise adds them?
potent anvil
You shouldn't have to. Unless something spreads to them like ignite or anything. I've skipped them and never had to kill Bobby.
@exotic rapids
grim nymph
Do I generally want to combo demo shout with avatar for the damage taken increase, or use as needed? (M+)
mental scarab
With AM talented its up for every avatar for me and i pop it on cd ๐
Maybe 5 sec of
warm plinth
@grim nymph You should use both Avatar and Demo Shout on CD. Don't hold one for the other; they'll line up often enough on their own, and you'll always have a Demo Shout in between Avatars.
blazing condor
if you use VoP you'll have high uptime on avatar anyway so might as well just use demo on cd
limpid pawn
Raid bots telling me deadly navigation is best for single target
But I see so many wars still using force multiplier
warm plinth
AFAIK Force doesn't sim properly; sims underestimate it. That may no longer be true but it was at one point
blazing condor
seems kinda hard to sim it still
warm plinth
@ionic fern Is this still the case?
limpid pawn
hm...
undone sun
It's only because of a bug in game, if the bug is still present I can bet it still undersims
exotic rapids
@potent anvil ok. Because yesterday suddenly after we killed Jes and Bobby ran away that group came up behind us on our way to the next level
grim nymph
ok, ty! Was wondering if I should hold demo for holes in shield block uptime
warm plinth
Nah, use Last Stand for that. If you still run out due to a big pull or whatever, you can cover with Shield Wall as well
grim nymph
Yeah, I was generally running issues in sblock, sblock, (small gap), sblock, last stand, 3x sblock again, then nothing
I guess I could make sure I have at least one of wall/demoshout/avatar for that gap
warm plinth
Nah, use Ava and Demo on CD. You should have enough down time in M+ to refresh charges
grim nymph
Maybe I don't have enough haste, cause I'm definitely not regening that many charges between pulls.
Or maybe I'm using shield block too near the end of the pull when there's only like 1-2 mobs left
But they're bolstered, so they truck ๐
I could probably kite those tbh, and that would give me proper charges for the next pull
rapid jewel
if you have a small gap between your 3 SBs, your haste is on the lower side. stun at the end of your second SB, SB after stun (should ammount to 20s avatar) and kite afterwards.
with rank 3 sphere, kiting is easy
warm plinth
Even R2 is noticeable tbh, though I imagine the 10% speed is pretty big
grim nymph
hrmm, I'm running VoP major/MoLD minor
R2 VoP and everything else other than CoF is R1
rapid jewel
and your third?
rapid jewel
Havent used MoLD since 2 month, its just underwhelming in my opinion
grim nymph
Ah, I thought it would pair well with AM to reduce avatar/everything else CD
grim nymph
Or zero with R1 ๐
strong forum
still a good minor
rapid jewel
its 2 procs per minute, ragewise it amounts to ~75 rage per minute, which isnt a lot
but thats my opinion
rapid jewel
sphere is just 330 haste with 100% uptime
strong forum
i have 1.9k haste
dont even have sphere unlocked
idk if i ever will
but good nontheless
rapid jewel
yeah but juniper is around 1300-1400 haste I guess
grim nymph
yup
leveled to 120 two Saturdays ago, so gear is kind of ass and timegated bullshit is obviously not done (like only having R1 rep essences)
strong forum
you can get lucid r3 in 2 weeks tho
or some shit
same with aegis
all of em actually
2 weeks is plenty
rapid jewel
gear is easy to obtain, some essences are just annoying or grindy
strong forum
ye if you have friends you can get to 430ilvl in a couple hours
strong forum
6k
grim nymph
6k xp
warm plinth
Ok
So if you do bodyguard xp quests every day, that's 300, and you can do the reefwalker bark weekly which is 300. So it'd be like 20 days if you just did dailies, or you could shave off 3 days if you get the bark each week. So 17 days if you're starting from 0
Not counting the random other shit you might get obviously
distant crystal
gotta grind them naga orders too
warm plinth
Yeah but the only reliable source for that is the vendor right?
And you have to have the cloak for it
rapid jewel
you can push that + exaltet in 2 weeks, a lot of people did that for the mount
warm plinth
Oh yeah from the scrying stones
distant crystal
ye
warm plinth
I think that's actually where I've got my only one lol
warm plinth
Because I'm always too lazy to do the obnoxious vendor shit
with the murlocs
Farming chests is pretty nice, except when that rare keeps fuckin spawning lol
warm plinth
I wouldn't. I'd probably use Sphere R3 and call it good (if you had it obviously)
distant crystal
just be a dwarf ldo
warm plinth
They probably use it because it lets them still DPS while kiting
flat jackal
Iโm assuming MDI has a reason since their pulls were planned :/
What were their minors?
warm plinth
No idea; I haven't watched
distant crystal
the root is p good
warm plinth
It would only be worth it for necrotic though yeah
And it depends on your comp too. Like if you're running with an orb build frost mage, it'd be nearly useless probably
flat jackal
Mhm. Thatโs what I was thinking.. I donโt like how sphere of suppression feels
distant crystal
and i think they were always using it as a minor on other keys
warm plinth
Since the root won't happen when orb is up
rapid jewel
does it have DR in pve?
warm plinth
No
distant crystal
so they prob just swap vision major/minor
it doesn't work on mobs that are heavily slowed from what i've read
sick sentinel
Do you use null for shrine
warm plinth
If there's a slow that's 30% or more on the mob, the root doesn't work
flat jackal
@sick sentinel null helps a lot for shrine. Too much magic damage going around
sick sentinel
Ok friend
flat jackal
Wait what??? Really???
warm plinth
Really
flat jackal
Thatโs BS
sick sentinel
Do I put edicts on magic?
flat jackal
Yeah
sick sentinel
KK tank u friend
distant crystal
imagine magic edict is giga if your group is shitty at kicking waterblasts like mine
flat jackal
Generally put mine on magic since warriors have great physical mitigation
warm plinth
lul right
sick sentinel
a lot of dungeons are physical tho
warm plinth
Shrine and ML are probably the only place you'd put it on magic though
grim nymph
I'm rerolling warrior for M+ pushing in part due to shrine kicks...so I actually have a kick LUL
distant crystal
yeah even tho we have great physical mitigation
sick sentinel
Damage DR is damage DR
distant crystal
physical is the play usually
warm plinth
Yeah exactly, DR is DR
sick sentinel
doesn't matter physical/magic
warm plinth
And you're more likely to consistently pop the bubble if it's on physical
flat jackal
@sick sentinel a lot of dungeons are physical, but our physical mitigation is one of the best. Our magic damage is ass
warm plinth
Yeah his point though is that you're still mitigating damage, and you guarantee fanatacism stacks with it on physical
sick sentinel
^
warm plinth
Whereas if you have a magic damage drought, you could end up resetting
flat jackal
FH is definitely on physical
grim nymph
Isn't it really only useful to swap to magic for last half motherlode?
sick sentinel
yes
warm plinth
Yeah
And that's really just because there is no physical damage
Except Drill Smash, but that's blockable anyway
grim nymph
Magic bosses eek
flat jackal
Just curious, if fana reaches 100%, does it go back down to 0 after the 100% bubble pops?
distant crystal
that would be so troll
flat jackal
I never quite understood how the percentage worked
warm plinth
Don't think so; I think it just keeps refreshing at 100%
flat jackal
Oh nice
warm plinth
I'm not positive on that because I don't have one :p
distant crystal
i have one and i'm still not positivev
grim nymph
I don't have either raid tank trinket
warm plinth
Go get hit by target dummy for 10 mins, we'll wait
distant crystal
but i refuse to believe they would design it so poorly
warm plinth
tbh he probably wouldn't even pop it past a certain point lol
Until you got to really high stacks; I can't remember what he caps at
strong forum
i fought dungeon duimmy for 23 min
distant crystal
i got a titanforged heroic one
warm plinth
Noice
grim nymph
255 stacks is stack cap
strong forum
edict comes out on top
distant crystal
oof sorry buddy
distant crystal
prob just woke that dude up from a sweet nap
warm plinth
He was having the best dream, and he just hears that fuckin Discord buzz
distant crystal
"wtf i haven't played warrior since legion who is pinging me"
warm plinth
"knew I should have fuckin left that server"
grim nymph
@ everyone in your guild's Discord if you want all the randos to leave 
warm plinth
Imagine not having everyone pings suppressed
warm plinth
lol
distant crystal
to get it to break the first bubble
strong forum
ye takes a while for the dummy to deal dmg
around 400% dmg buff he starts doing anything
grim nymph
Doing islands for the final 14k AP...how long will it take? ๐
30 islands I guess lol
strong forum
14k ap is more than 30 islands
distant crystal
ok just popped the 100%
strong forum
ah ye i forgot they increased ap gains
warm plinth
Exactly that, but we wanted to know for sure
strong forum
well grats on the time waste
warm plinth
distant crystal
you could say that about all my wow adventures
warm plinth
Yeah Waat, way to waste like 7 minutes
distant crystal
back to the important business of flying circles in boralus
warm plinth
Jeez
sudden kayak
what gem do i use for tanking
undone sun
I mean, it'd be different for everyone based on Sims
Some use crit, some use haste for damage
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
are there any profs good for prot warriors over another
stark scroll
The differences aren't really big enough to make a huge difference. I'm a fan of engineering if you're unsure as it has some cool things like a battle rez, there's a knockback too but it's a long cd.
If you use a lot of flasks you can't go wrong with the extra duration from alchemy. Blacksmith and inscriptions can pick locks with consumables, you can plug gaps in your group comp with professions if you usually play with similar people.
distant crystal
fun fact, engi knockback cooldown doesn't reset when you start a key
used it to knock someone away from instance entrance in worldpvp and it was down when i needed it in the key rip
limpid pawn
i managed to finally get all my heroic/mythic parses orange
I think to get that next level dps (100 parse) i'm gonna need an inkpod, and the zakul weapon
rough stump
Is there a link that gives insight to mythic raid tanking with prot? i've been looking at some top parses for st damage and I'm still here scratching my head about the whole thing. I definitely get the whole m+ clap build. So my biggest question is if I'm supposed to have so much downtime with the devastator while I'm on the boss
rapid jewel
what do you mean downtime with devastator in m+, you go booming voice
rough stump
I meant devastator for raid
rapid jewel
neck level, essences, haste?
rough stump
the builds between raid and m+ feel so different that I'm having trouble understanding the raid side of it. Or atleast, how to get the most damage out of my stuff
neck is 69 (heh), crucible r3, vop r2, and lucid r2; all the vers stuff is still r1 or r2 so I can't bring it in.
rapid jewel
low haste? I am pretty much GCD locked with devastator to be honest
rough stump
that might be it, I only have 1460 base haste; so maybe I should look around more
I just hate the downtime if slam doesn't reset, and clap is on cd
rapid jewel
nah thats around fine, a bit more should be nice
rough stump
I feel like I shouldn't be seeing myself auto for devastate
and praying slam procs you know?
rapid jewel
you always have revenge procs, demoshouts taking gcd, avatar too
rough stump
true true
left hatch
I keep muscle memory hitting my devastate bind anyway, so feels the same for me either way
despite it not doing anything
rough stump
hahaha that's a big mood morrison
brittle grove
hey folks, i'm wondering if you could help me out with a quick question: new prot warrior having trouble staying alive in mythics and very low m+. i'm keeping shield block up as often as i can and supplementing w ignore pain. am i messing up or do healers need to compensate more for my lack of self heals? i'm about 405 ilvl
rough stump
well, I'll keep playing and seeing if it sticks; I think I'm just used to clapping in m+ to adjust well
thanks everyone!
rapid jewel
cant help without logs
near ivy
@brittle grove maybe one, maybe the other, maybe both, we don't know that amount of information
rough stump
@brittle grove yeah we might need more info for that one. I'll bet it's you not using last stand between sb's though
that was a weird one for me at the beginning of the xpac
brittle grove
yeah, unfortunately i'm not logging reg mythics or anything. just going from a prot paladin, i seem to have zero issue staying alive. on the warrior, i feel like i get very panicky if i have my mitigation up but my health is still dropping, lol
left hatch
missing interrupts/improper use of CDs especially spell reflect and last stand can hurt a lot
rapid jewel
you use demo a lot? Spellreflect is a god send
rough stump
anger management and booming voice should give you enough rage to constantly cycle through your avatars and demo shouts though
and yeah spell reflect is dope
brittle grove
i'm def more used to the paladin so maybe it's just getting in the habit of using cooldowns
left hatch
Avatar,demo should be off cd basically all the time
brittle grove
but should i use both charges of sb then go into last stand?
rough stump
i'd keep playing and keep recording so we could help more down the line
theory only goes so far you know
left hatch
and yah last stand is more of an extra sb than its own defensive
esp with how low the cd of it is
rapid jewel
with sphere rank 3 you can kite in a small space pretty well, its a bit tricky but helps out when you have low gear
wooden radish
@ionic fern is shattering throw good for prot warrior?
left hatch
probably gonna depend entirely on if it keeps the armor reduc portion of it or not
warm plinth
@brittle grove Should be able to do 3 SB, then LS, then SB. Use wall after that if you're still fighting. Make sure you're using ava/demo on CD
void hill
How do you manage your mitigation properly as a warrior? Wow analyzer says i suck at it.
void hill
as in scroll up?
hallow phoenix
Yeah
Basically 3x sb, then LS, then 3x sb
One thing a lot of people do wrong is use all 2 SB charges right away on bosses. Most bosses have a spell they cast which lets you delay shield block by a bit
void hill
i should say my warrior alt is focused on mythic plus not as much raids
but i get the picture
hallow phoenix
3x sb LS 3x sb applies to m+ as well
And some bosses have tank busters (tree dude in WM) where you still benefit from not pressing sb during spells they cast. The extra second or two saved adds up
Depending on the pack, you can shockwave to fill small gaps in SB uptime
left hatch
dump any excess rage you have into it that wont delay SB
hallow phoenix
IP is a rage dump
left hatch
unti lyou feel comfortable, then its 100% a feely craft of if you want IP or extra revenge casts
hallow phoenix
Except for pure casters (zul, last two bosses of ml)
hallow phoenix
If you want to be safe about your rage, try not using IP unless you have 70+ rage, and don't revenge unless free
You'll quickly get the feel of how your rage is spent
void hill
i also think my dmg is low
hallow phoenix
What does your opener look like
left hatch
shout and avatar on cd, and w/e avatar is up TC should be every other cast
thats easily like ... 70% of your output haha
in M+
brittle grove
When youโre dumping rage for IP, do you use one, let it expire/get consumed, then use another?
void hill
intercept, clap, shield slam, if either are on cd then devestate and revenge on proc mostly unless big pack
left hatch
yes, if you multipress it only stacks up like .... 1.5 times? and doesn't add to the time
so you waste rage
hallow phoenix
@brittle grove it is better to overwrite IP than to overcap rage
brittle grove
Oh I NEVER seem to have excess rage to worry about capping, lol
hallow phoenix
It's not wasteful to IP if the current IP has 30% or less absorb remaining
But who even tracks that
left hatch
right, i figured he meant double hitting
left hatch
demo is huge with anger management
hallow phoenix
They're a huge part of your damage
void hill
yea
left hatch
contributes to way more avatar instances cause of the rage gen of booming voice
hallow phoenix
And avatar should be around 60% uptime
left hatch
usually my opener is avatar right before intercept, thunderclap as i reach the pack, shout, TC
void hill
we're doing mech Monday
hallow phoenix
Do what morr does for your opener. Shield block mid charge
warm plinth
You should be doing avatar intercept and shield block at the same time. Only Avatar is on the GCD
Intercept + Ava gives you the rage for SB
void hill
ahh
warm plinth
And you can still clap when you get there
void hill
okay now we're talking
oblique garnet
Dont use shout first global into the pack
left hatch
need that initial TC to get threat
warm plinth
Clap> demo> clap
left hatch
since shout doens't do it
warm plinth
Until 9.0 ๐ challenging shout. Easy
hallow phoenix
It's coming back?
warm plinth
Yeah
hallow phoenix
Oh baby
left hatch
yeh, but didnt it have a 10m cd
hallow phoenix
Who cares it's coming back
oblique garnet
5min
warm plinth
Yeah but that was in vanilla when everything had insane CD
left hatch
true
warm plinth
Shield wall had a 30 min CD back then
oblique garnet
Nvm 5 min was shattering throw
Iirc challenging shout had shorter cd tho
In mop/cata
void hill
okay so , Charge, Ava, SB on pull. then clap, devo, clap then normal rotation
warm plinth
It had a 10 min CD in MoP Iโm pretty sure
hallow phoenix
Anyways, for damage after the opener you should apply deepwounds via revenge, then tclap > SS > revenge in aoe
void hill
what if ava is not up for a pull
warm plinth
In classic I mean
left hatch
with VoP its almost always up for pull, but Clap, Demo, SS/Revenge
warm plinth
You should try to have enough rage at the end of a pack to be able to charge to the next and have enough for shield block. The higher keys you do the more likely you are to get insta fucked on some packs without it.
hallow phoenix
If you want damage yeah
warm plinth
Donโt over complicate it though. Deep wounds isnโt a massive priority. Survival (shield block) comes first.
void hill
yea
hallow phoenix
My opener tends to throw in revenge after the tclap demo tclap part
void hill
well im still new tanking too lol
left hatch
also once you get VoP, add a WA or something that tracks when Avatar is up and active. Castign Avatar when you have a free proc of it is wasteful
void hill
so marking, calling for interupts, routes, pull texture is still happening
lol
learning that i mean
hallow phoenix
He asked for damage ghash
void hill
this is great info guys thanks
warm plinth
I know. But it doesnโt take priority over SB. I was just clarifying.
left hatch
instead of revenge sometimes its useful to shockwave
hallow phoenix
So I wouldn't worry about it too much until Monday gorb
left hatch
esp if you have some high burst aoe ppl like DH eye beam/iris
gives you an extra few globals to secure threat
void hill
do i want to run visions as major even at 1?
left hatch
yes
void hill
k
left hatch
what do you use for minors?
hallow phoenix
Ever pull without avatar and the DH opens with eyebeam and dies then gets mad on skittish?
void hill
i have lucid reams 1, and crucible 3
right now
for minors
anima 2 for major
that's all i have atm lol
hallow phoenix
Sphere rank 1 is easy to get and very very good for its rank
left hatch
VoP will be your major in almost any case, only time it won't be is for raid parsing
distant crystal
do bgs
left hatch
for minors Conflict and Strife, Sphere of Suppression, Lucid Dreams, and Null Barrier are all really strong
hallow phoenix
It's like one epic bg, one PvP island, etc
left hatch
Conflict and STrife can be subbed out for Aegis until you get it
void hill
i have a lot of work ahead of me lol
left hatch
well they cut how much honor you need to farm for Sphere, and rank 3 just gives spppeeeeed
so its not necesary
hallow phoenix
Honestly rank 2 is unnecessary too (though easy enough to get)
distant crystal
i really ought to farm that
void hill
do i need to do rbgs?
hallow phoenix
No
distant crystal
could use bote for fury anyhow
void hill
or just bgs
left hatch
just bgs
void hill
ok
left hatch
but yo'ull need to win 1 epic, 1 normal and 1 pvp island to get r1 irrc
then its an honor grind
CnS comes from ranked arenas
Aegis (worse CnS) is fish rep
Null is mecha rep
hallow phoenix
I only use null for one dungeon on tyrannical
left hatch
with those and Vop you're set for basically any situation
yah null is mega situational, but if you step into raid its the best minor flat out (:
for dmg and survival
hallow phoenix
And half the time I forget to swap to it
At what point should we not use null in raids? On orgo prog it's only doing like 1.5k dps
Guess I could sim actually and just subtract 500 from the results
left hatch
idk, last i checked every fight its the most popular minor for parsing
since it can be so reliably consumed
and likely itll be the same next tier with how magic heavy the fights are
hallow phoenix
Yeah it's just low on orgo for me :(
left hatch
weird
hallow phoenix
I'm boss tank so I'm sure that factors in
left hatch
OH to make your grind seem less scary gorb, ion said today in an interview that they plan on cutting requirements for essences significantly in 8.3, the example he used was the rep based ones which they'll probably cut 50%
so if you put it off itll get much easier \o/
rapid jewel
8.3 is still far away
hallow phoenix
9.0 is right around the corner what are you talking about
It has to be soon :(
I need my shattering throw
left hatch
9.0 means the soul crushing disapointment of the best covenant being the lamest looking tho ):
left hatch
i wanna go bloodbois 2020, but ill have to go with w/e has the best active/passives
oblique garnet
They did say that they would balance covenants so they would be equal no matter which you choose
But in reality that just never happens
left hatch
^
the only way for perfect balance is to entirely homogenize the bonus', just with diff flavored skins, (which the mage examples already proved isn't happening)
or to make them so unimpactful that they arn't cool or interesting
so the differences between are negligible
stark scroll
Hopefully, I'd much rather pick based on which one I like the look of rather than What does more dps
left trout
id rather the cool one since they kept mentioning we could turn into them it sounded like
quiet crane
Yeah but for any mythic raider or such what looks cool ainโt an option almost never
I think the concept was cool but
hallow phoenix
Even though the little owl people are basically servants
10/10 would be owl person
rapid jewel
I guess the talenttree through souldbinding is more important then the two abilities
signal plover
tbh, unless ur goin for like, WF kills (maaaybe HoF), im almost certain you'll be able to get away with doing mythic prog with any covenant's abilities and soulbinds. PPL just see the meta picks and think they're required when in reality the vast majority of players, even CE raiders, outgear most content by the time they see it.
rapid jewel
You cant say that. If you aren't such a talentet player, you take the best help you can get. You dont need to go for the last 0.5%, but scuffing yourself and your raidteam for a bit of flavor isn't something a lot of people do.
left trout
yea. usually i weigh things by can i gain dps/whatever if its a maybe i look at the conditions but if theyre hard for me a none mythic raider ill go with the more passive lower dps/whatever option that i can handle.
left hatch
also idk where you heard about them mentioning wed be able to transform into the cool covenent.
The only mention of transformations was the spirit beast from the nature covenant's utility ability.
Every other covenent the rewards were Armor xmog, pet, upgradeable mount and a special back piece cape options.
cosmetically
as much as i want those gargoyles to be a form or an allied race ):
rapid jewel
personaly I would prefer if the covenent abilities are pure utility and the soulbind not convenent dependend. So you can join the convenent you want, without sacrficing to much.
left hatch
or if the covenent alliance was just for the campaign and cosmetics, and the abilities went with whoever you soulbound too
void hill
can anyone suggest a good prot warrior streamer that does relevant content for a noob
ie not pushing mid 20's constantly
terse wedge
But you will learn most from those
left hatch
I wonder if the utility ability is gonna be usable in M+, given 3 of them have an aggro reduction/turnoff it has a lot of potential for skips
fervent trail
just ready through the lepan M+ guide for prot warrior which is only updated to 8.1.5 and wondering how relevant the information is on it. anyone looked at it lately and able to confirm if its still useful or not?
oblique garnet
The sections that tell how to deal with mobs are useful in that guide but that only applies to basic dungeon mobs not the season affix @fervent trail
left hatch
trinket section is meh, doesn't mention butchers block or Rezan trinkets which are really good
fervent trail
what about traits?
left hatch
for raid Brace for Impact is best
for M+ you want 1 Deafening Crash, 3 Bastion of Might
and just fill in the rest
oblique garnet
For traits in m+ the best possible setup is 3x Bastion of Might, 2x Meticulous Scheming and 1 deafening crash
left hatch
I've been taking generic traits that give me haste or crit
fervent trail
alright thanks guys
left hatch
and for essences yo'ull want Vision of perfection in main
and then some combination of Conflict and Strife (can sub in Aegis of the Depths until you get it r2), Sphere of Suppression, Memory of Lucid dreams, or in niche circumstances Null Barrier
left hatch
in the future just use the icy veins guide or see whats linked in the resource/faq section on here
if they don't list it its probably not up to date or 100% reliable (:
and yah thats the BG one
fervent trail
ooh i will read this one linked here now, thanks
distant crystal
idk i think the ideal setup is gonna be 3 bastion 2 DC 1 MS
cuz overwhelming power
fervent trail
isnt overwhelming power shit because you lose stacks on taking damage?
distant crystal
i guess you could rock an IF instead of 1 of the DCs
left hatch
its one of our best haha cause of how much haste you get
distant crystal
no there's an ICD on losing stacks
so it's boss
you won't just drop all your stacks insta when tanking trash packs
distant crystal
oh ashvane chest
gives you bastion MS and OP
so i guess ashvane chest, kraken shoulders, abyssal helm
'
for 3 bastion 2 MS 1 DC 2 OP 1 Unstable
fervent trail
do you have a resource for quickly finding these traits or do you just remember it all?
fervent trail
when im searching for items for my druid i get like 10 wowhead pages open
barbarric af
left hatch
fervent trail
oh this is perfect!
left hatch
oh oops didnt notice, mb
oblique garnet
@distant crystal The 2nd dc doesnt bring you much where as sure OP is good but its not better than MS since the pieces have unstable flames which is good trait in m+
distant crystal
well you don't lose any OPs anyway
didn't realize ashvane chest was so good
don't think there's any BoM/OP shoulders available from current content
distant crystal
newp
best pvp shoulders have whirl
there were some uldir ones
and some worldquest/emissary ones
the worldquest ones would be sick tho
bastion/blightborne/op
yum
void hill
do swing timers matter?
warm plinth
No
brittle grove
are all tanks more or less equivalent when it comes to raid survivability? a friend of mine was saying paladin tanks are the best tanks vs consistent magic damage bc of holy shield
do all tanks have those niche advantages?
void hill
I'm not an expert but if you look at progression monks are very popular because they can smooth incoming damage and then depending on fights different classes bring an advantage
im sure more seasoned tanks in here can answer a lot better
brittle grove
i'm basically trying to decide between paladin and warrior for a tank for 8.3 and beyond because i like the aesthetic/fantasy of being a plate wearer with a shield. i like both and they're both fun so i've been struggling with deciding. i've basically just been playing both lol
void hill
do you do m+?
brittle grove
i do m+, heroic raiding and rbgs/arenas
void hill
I've heard a lot of people say they think Warrior will be the best m+ tank
brittle grove
that's bc of their damage output, yeah?
void hill
for me it's because of people streaming doing 22+ keys say so :p
brittle grove
haha
void hill
dont take my word for anything
for heroic raiding it does not matter
and for keys under 15 i doubt it matters much either
left hatch
warrior and paladin are about equal for raid content, warrior is superior in M+
yes paladins have holy shield, but wars have spell reflect in terms of strictly magic mitigation
and personally warrior is just more fun
brittle grove
yeah, since i like both tank specs i'm looking at other specs. ret is a SNOOZE FEST to play
holy is fun in pvp
likewise, fury is a ton of fun. not much experience w arms
left hatch
since you're only heroic raiding and i imagine don't feel the need to push keys terribly high, id say just go with whatever feels right
for that level of content everything is viable
go with your gut
brittle grove
yeah for sure. there are good and bad about each, it's so tough to decide! which is a good problem to have, i suppose
spice ferry
play them both, then decide which you prefer ๐
thats what i did to find my main for 8.2
brave jetty
Any help on dealing with the double pull of venture co. mastermind in high M+ Motherlode?
The double lash is just a nightmare
sweet summit
You clear a lot of trash before first boss, and ive also done a lot between 1st and 2nd boss. If you still need some % do it after 3rd boss. Never ever pull between 2nd and 3rd boss the adds there truck
brittle owl
the only ones you need to watch out for are the masterminds tbh. the rest are easy to handle
ionic fern
May be but it's still unneccesary risk compared to the rest of the dungeon.
So no real point pulling there.
sick sentinel
Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
brittle owl
that is true i guess ๐คท
brazen lion
How do you deal with the Bleeds in KR?
ionic fern
Hunter/warlock pets.
Treants. CD's. Externals. Let a DPS soak one if they have a strong defensive ( depending on the key level).
Dwarf racial.
Engineer helm.
void berry
Disband on Azshara 
jolly thistle
@brazen lion just parry the bleed 
warm plinth
Or have your friendly neighborhood DH dodge it for you
brittle owl
or rogue
remote dawn
hi, whats the best essences for Prot warri
brittle owl
it's in the faq
warm plinth
You're in the faq
brittle owl
F ๐ฆ
chrome falcon
KR bleeds are handled by well timed stuns that last 3 seconds or longer too, the adds will try to reapply the bleed 2 seconds before your debuff drops
warm plinth
You're a well timed stun
warm plinth
signal plover
Go on
wraith timber
anyone have more ideas what tank meta might be like for raid next tier?
wraith timber
mostly trying to find something that wouldn't be too detrimental for the raid group trying to get CE but also pairs well with DK
tame garden
Some specs are detrimental to world first. Nothing is rly detrimental to CE
hollow hawk
Vengence DH is up the list now for the raid since they are getting buffed and handle magic damage better than others. The next raid is heavy magic dmg.
wraith timber
i've been hearing that lately
mossy crater
What buff is vdh getting ?
warm plinth
Yeah I haven't seen a buff to VDH; what are you referring to?
mossy crater
I know they were* buffed coming into 8.2
tame garden
12% visions buff 4head
mossy crater
It's less than that iirc
warm plinth
tbf that build is actually insane for survivability
mossy crater
Not really that good
tame garden
Dont think you play vision in raid anyways
warm plinth
Depends on the spec
mossy crater
It's getting buffed to 1ppm iirc
tame garden
0.85 to 1 depending on spec. Buffed to 0.95 to 1.12 depending on spec
12% buff to procrate
mossy crater
I wonder if that's even noticable tho
tame garden
Not rly
mossy crater
These are mere tenths if percents
warm plinth
I mean, a buff is a buff. It's an essence that if you're already using it, it'll be good. But if you're not, it's probably not going to make a difference.
hollow hawk
Sorry I just woke up. I worded that wrong. They got buffed in 8.2. The top guild on at least my server used Vengence DH + DK even on Azshara over a monk and they killed her months ago. Might be seeing more Vengeance DHs in Nyalotha with the monk nerfs who knows. Thinga might change closer to patch.
wraith timber
wouldn't that be a buff to prot war in M+ too then?
warm plinth
Yeah, a minor one but yes
tame garden
It's like ~3 more procs over the course of a 30m dungeon
warm plinth
Idk, I'd be surprised. The broken healing of monks is not what made them good for initial mythic prog. Their consistency of damage intake is what makes them strong. And they can cheese some big hits. DH are still inconsistent. Let spikes drop and/or not have meta at the wrong time and they drop like a stone
oblique garnet
dh is fine for azshara because of how much magic damage there is
hollow hawk
Right which was my main point as to why they were strong for Azshara was magic dmg and they were buffed in that patch
oblique garnet
They are still very spiky and cant actually tank hard hitting melees from bosses
signal plover
Monk is better for wf because of what ghash said. Predictable dmg intake
oblique garnet
not even for WF monk is superior to other tanks in raids
signal plover
I think with tank balance as it is any class can tank CE
oblique garnet
Warrior beats monk when its strictly physical damage
wraith timber
everyone says that nyalotha is heavy magic damage... what does heavy really mean? does magic DR that DH get best? is SR CD good for war? is holy shield good? does AMS cover everything?
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
warm plinth
Yeah, damage makeup matters a lot. Like a fight can be heavy magic and still have a lot of physical damage as well.
mossy crater
On ptr SR was one shotting Raden
warm plinth
lul
#justwarriorthings
Was it just a 1-shot mechanic that we happened to be able to reflect?
mossy crater
Ya
warm plinth
That's pretty funny
mossy crater
Most likely it will be patched
tame garden
Most likely lmao
warm plinth
I mean, that's the boss right? No way they're going to let us 1-shot the boss haha
tame garden
Nah just leave it in
mossy crater
But blizzz seems all-in in shadowlands so who knows
warm plinth
wraith timber
hows war pair with DK?
warm plinth
Nah but like, imagine WF guilds just bringing in their prot war who hasn't played since Uldir
Just to go in and 1-shot that boss
tame garden
Ez
warm plinth
Like 385 ilevel and shit
exotic spoke
Weโre good with any tank. Nesh did you have a question about a specific fight for that combo?
distant crystal
there could be concern about ripping lol
tame garden
Think hes looking towards next tier in general
wraith timber
nah just in general
distant crystal
isn't DK single target p bad
wraith timber
trying to figure out what to main
exotic spoke
Ah, fair, I think any tank will continue to be viable.
Some better than others of course, but overall pretty well
A warrior and dk set up for raids is solid, though may not be optimal. If itโs a physical fight the warrior can really shine, Bdk mass grip is always good, and if itโs more magic then the Bdk can shine more
signal plover
I mean u joke that they'll patch the SR thing but the ghuun SR bug was left in for months.
exotic spoke
Sounds like a feature
warm plinth
The G'huun bug didn't 1-shot the boss XD
signal plover
Fair
warm plinth
Just picture it guys
grim nymph
What could you SR on G'huun?
signal plover
Boil explosions
grim nymph
._o
signal plover
And it didn't remove the buff so u could stack in like 5 of em and do a shitload of dmg to him
exotic spoke
Mmmm SR mechanic cheese
warm plinth
A lone warrior, weary of battle, slowly walks up to face his doom. As the legendary Raden prepares to cast his fateful blast, the tired warrior lifts his shield in one last desperate effort. A massive cloud of dust clears. The legend has fallen.
"Alright good job on that prog guys; start reading up on next boss"
stray lagoon
hi, new to tanking in general, what nameplates do u guys recommend for keeping an eye on aggro and how do i make sure they're set to not stack off the top of my screen?
rapid jewel
Still using the standard to be honest, threatplates are often recommended
strong forum
Plater is imo the most advanced nameplate addon
Highly recommending it
warm plinth
I use Plater myself but I've never been able to get an addon to consistently not have plates off the screen, even with the option set
strong forum
You have to edit the Cvar to not have nameplates fly off
I don't know the exact phrase to change it
But it's something like nameplate.top limit or some shit
exotic spoke
I think it comes down to personal preference
tame garden
Only boomers use standard ui
sand egret
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stray lagoon
how do u change nameplates to overlap on threatplates?
tame garden
Riki and blade confirmed boomers
exotic spoke
Thatโs hurtful speg. I donโt even know what the fuck a boomer is
warm plinth
Me neither
exotic spoke
Iโm getting old.
distant crystal
ok boomer
tame garden
Oh the irony
tame garden
You'll never understand what I'm going through dad!
inland silo
like baby boomers
tame garden
I called u old man
exotic spoke
Also - speg - you and me letโs go
distant crystal
millenials are boomers now tho
exotic spoke
Outside of EP
tame garden
Prot v prot duel
distant crystal
if you ain't a zoomer you're a boomer
exotic spoke
Mano y Mano or Mano y bear
analog swift
hola
exotic spoke
Probablyriki Vs your warrior or Riki vs your Druid
sand egret
tank fight!
analog swift
dangergreen has entered the chat
tame garden
Boomer v zoomer
analog swift
readies shiver venom lance
analog swift
lowers shiver venom lance