But overall fun
#protection
blazing condor
best food for prot? port tato?
sick sentinel
Yes
exotic spoke
Mmmm port
tame garden
Prot tato
undone sun
š
exotic spoke
Ohhh shit son
tame garden
It's actually a lot of fun. Lots more to keep track of tho and if I mess up I explode lol
Hard to mess up ironfur :)
exotic spoke
Whatās your shield Ilvl and what content where you doing?
tame garden
Just some 10-12s while I learn my hotkeys. Had 425 shield but snagged a 430 from motherlode last night
exotic spoke
Very nice. And yeah - those last two bosses in ML just hurt in general. Hooraaayy all magic damage
sand egret
š±
tame garden
Yes tho spell reflect was pretty awesome for rixxa
warm plinth
One less bear to worry about. Now we just need Blade
tame garden
Half the debuffs gone!
warm plinth
Pro strat for Rixxa is an aff or destro lock. Ez double dispel
sand egret
Spriest can also get both
tame garden
I run with priests a lot yeah
exotic spoke
Spriest is love. Spriest is life
tame garden
These were just learning pugs tho
sand egret
well Ghash, as long as Essences remain as is....no alts for me!
looks like i'll be in it for the long-haul haha
exotic spoke
What race is your warrior?
tame garden
Just checking it out in case I wanna play prot for 8.3 keys. Luckily prot has easy essences
sand egret
mine? a SMorc
tame garden
Mine is also orc
exotic spoke
I meant speg
sand egret
he's smart, he go orc
exotic spoke
Ahh, I canāt help there much. If you where alliance I could toss you some gear
warm plinth
Yeah but spriest has too long a CD to get all of them. Lock doesnāt
tame garden
Getting close to 65 neck tho and unsure what to go for as 3rd after visions and lucid
Too lazy for mechagon rep on alt
warm plinth
Sphere or C&S
warm plinth
Ripple lul
exotic spoke
Iād just get aegis personally. Easier to get than sphere or CnS on an alt
warm plinth
I mean sphere is literally just win a PvP island, win a Bg, win an epic BG
Vs having to do rep shit
tame garden
Rank 1 good enough?
warm plinth
Yeah as long as you donāt care about the extra 2 seconds. I still have it up the entire time Iām tanking
Since it has no ICD
exotic spoke
Iām talking for getting rank 3
sand egret
i have rank 3
warm plinth
You donāt have to get R3 for it to be a good essence though. You get all the haste at R1
warm plinth
Are you not a guardian?
sand egret
i am
warm plinth
Why BotE?
sand egret
but my guardian also is a kitty
warm plinth
Oh
sand egret
and since I don't really raid to get the CLF, bote is a big gain for me overall
tame garden
I'll see how close I am to aegis r3 and decide if that or sphere would be easier then
I didnt realize how insane the uptime is on avatar
I wish bear had a dps cd
Anger management is awesome
exotic spoke
Yes itās amazing
sand egret
RotS.... š
sick sentinel
Incarn!
sand egret
š¦ I saw this warrior who tanked a key for my kitty last night...had like 50% uptime on avatar and I got really...really fucking jealous
i'm all like 17% Incarn WOOOOOO
sick sentinel
50? That's rookie numbers
tame garden
Like bear does comparable overall but that big avatar uptime feels so good
sand egret
ya'll get enough fuckin procs to reliably count Avatar as a snare break.
shit is bananas
exotic spoke
B a n a n a s
sick sentinel
i n p y j a m a s
sand egret
Yeah, thats the most jarring part about going back to war. The little damage you do take, sticks.
tame garden
My trinkets arent great tho, using big red button atm lol. What's some good dungeon trinkets to go for while I wait for edicts/urchin to drop? I'm unfamiliar with strength gear
sick sentinel
Just blame the healer
sick sentinel
turns back to mobs dies blames healer
Healer died to the aoe of 3rd boss underrot
I stayed alive until the next one
sand egret
err Edict not urchin
sick sentinel
In a 21 tyrr
exotic spoke
Very nice
sick sentinel
That just feels good
If healer dies I die itās just a fact you know I am not mitigating
exotic spoke
I had 50.5% avatar up time in UR19 last night. Thatās with a 2 minute down time to recover from wiping on last boss where Druid ran back to Rez us and then we ate
sand egret
i dont think uptime factors in OoC
strong forum
Well uptime is only calculated in combat
exotic spoke
Iām going by logs.
tame garden
^
exotic spoke
I would think it counts the whole dungeon as Up time
strong forum
I don't do logs.
I guess it's in there
tame garden
Yeah details and logs will vary a lot cuz of that
exotic spoke
Itās why dps in m+ differs in details at end of dungeon versus logs
I think Iām getting 55-60% uptime when I donāt shit a brick and die
Canāt wait for vision to be buffed
warm plinth
Yeah logs count the empty time as well. Details doesnāt afaik
At least it doesnāt for damage/healing
exotic spoke
Sounds right
exotic spoke
They are in raids
M+ is āone encounterā but I believe maybe you could drill down
brittle owl
weighted sum*
exotic spoke
I just meant that it treated all the trash as one encounter
floral notch
do the avatar procs trigger all bastion of might traits?
warm plinth
Yes, but at a reduced effectiveness
If it procs outside of an active Avatar, you get Bastion at 35% of the normal rate.
If it procs during Avatar, you get the full benefit.
floral notch
ahh okay thx
coral marsh
the trashpack before the priestess boss in atal dazar, the big one, is there a trick to making it easier? do you have to pull the single trash priestess left and right from the boss before doing that pack?
oblique garnet
You dont have to pull the priestesses with the pack
You can just play the pack normally
Theres 2 important casts that must never go through , Bwonsamdis Bargain from Confessor(only teeming) and Fiery Enchant from Augur @coral marsh as long as those 2 casts are interrupted the pack is relatively harmless
calm ermine
does bastion of might stack?
oblique garnet
Yes
coral marsh
thanks Late
calm ermine
ty very much @oblique garnet
sand egret
thanks late
rapid jewel
did someone do some ptr testing? it looks a bit warri unfriendly so far or is it just my opinion?
sand egret
define "warri unfriendly"
rapid jewel
the bosses i testet where pretty magic damage heavy
sand egret
i think I saw a few with some good blockables
oblique garnet
Alot of it depends on the tuning
sand egret
but magic damage in general is more of a "sucks2sucks" thing for tanks
rapid jewel
yeah the third boss is a nightmare for warriors with the ptr tuning
left trout
is servent spliter dot strong enough to be considered or are the secondary's on other weapons just worth more? saying same ilvl.
warm plinth
Same ilevel, servant splitter will be superior on ST DPS. It's our 2nd best weapon for ST DPS. On multi targets I'd still take the one with stats unless servant splitter was your highest ilevel option.
limpid pawn
whats the best ST dps weapon, the zaqul?
hallow phoenix
Yeah
high quest
was wondering the same, IP is basically perma 50% dr and you can keep it up all the time right?
analog swift
Absolutely not 50% dr. Only for a small percentage of your health plus you tend not to be swimming in rage outside of avatar (two generators on 4+ second cd) so it often falls off.
chilly brook
I mean we arenāt the best against magic damage
We arenāt the worst either though, definitely better than something like a bear
spice ferry
what even is "good" against magic damage?
i've always felt magic damage is just deliberately designed to fuck tanks
chilly brook
But itās for sure our weakness, just look at a fight like M Radiance
I mean monk laughs at it for the most part
DH is actually probably the best against magic damage overall and DK also isnāt half bad against magic
undone sun
Paladin
spice ferry
yeah true
undone sun
But it definitely has been diverted to a healer mechanic
spice ferry
yeah overall definitely a heal mechanic
chilly brook
Donāt get me wrong spell reflect is really nice but itās not enough to actually make magic not our weakness
Like weakness enough to where it can actually be held against us
Itās a trade off though, tanks in general are fairly well balanced this patch
daring marlin
It seems people really underestimate IP and the fact that it absorbs ALL damage as opposed to most other AMs that are physical only in nature with the exception of BDK.
Don't know shit about DHs because I'm not an edgyboi.
undone sun
Ip isn't AM
daring marlin
SB is but IP is still better than most of the tools other classes have to deal with magic. rofl
distant crystal
and in that same sense, other tanks self-healing is a sort of magic mitigation
lotp doesn't care what kind of dmg dropped your hp
distant crystal
just a rando example
same applies to any self-heal
i haven't play protadin since wrath š®
daring marlin
IP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOTP
chilly brook
Iām not saying IP isnāt useful against magic damage
But the fact of the matter is we take a TON of damage if itās not blockable which most magic damage sources are not which eats your IPs real quick
whole cove
Ever considered taking never surrender over Bolster for places like shrine? Never tried it but its crossed my mind
chilly brook
Donāt really see the point
Even in places like shrine where itās more magic heavy the physical damage is still far more prevalent
Or rather the blockable damage
undone sun
NS isn't ever worth it
outer dew
You just dont understand what it means to never surrender
daring marlin
I hate you
outer dew
I hope you don't want some Revenge
Because this is my last stand
Before I pummel you
You about to get thunder clapped
Because of your callous reprisal
You won't be able to ignore pain
Might as well call me the devastator
Because you about to hear my dragons roar
Plenty of heavy repercussions
You gonna have to take some anger managment classes
To bolster yourself up, because you gonna get destroyed by my booming voice
exotic spoke
Youāre a bastion of might against the waves of negativity
outer dew
You should safeguard yourself, because I'm an unstoppable force
exotic spoke
Brace for impact - shots fired
outer dew
Because I'm about to get into the fray and pull a ravager
Might as well call me indomitable because I'm coming with vengance
You wont be able to handle my overwhelming power
You're gonna get punished when you think you're in the cusp of your impending victory
@exotic spoke take over
I'm running out
š
exotic spoke
Iām playing cod
onyx vessel
Who plays cod wtf
undone sun
Nerds
exotic spoke
People who want to
inland bolt
what are the chances prot war reflect gets nerfed before next season's m+ release?
undone sun
Low
ionic fern
Get low get low.
whole cove
looking forward to the vision of perf buff next patch
sick sentinel
Any increase in avatar uptime can be considered significant
brittle owl
what's the ppm for visions for prot again?
undone sun
~.85 iirc
chilly brook
so uhhh this dropped
I mean tbh I seem to find Visions procs quite a bit already so an increase in proc will only be a welcome buff
brittle owl
it's like 3 more procs across an m+ assuming you're in combat for a full 30 mins
boreal haven
Morning Proterinos.
How do we do the perfect opener into an M+ Pack?
Ian new to Prot and want to learn it correct right from the start.
zenith thistle
Thunderclap
sick sentinel
avatar before pull charge clap then shout thats how i go in to a pack
then get block up with rage you generated and just start swinging stuff
sick sentinel
yeah you try to get block up asap so dont get slaped
rage you get from avatar and charge is enough to get shield block
boreal haven
Oh
Forgot about that
So if I pop Avatar and Charge, I can pop SB during Charge, right!?
sick sentinel
yep
also charge isnt on gcd so use avatar and charge insta you should get the gcd on the way to use clap
boreal haven
Perfect
When iam in the Pack, I can use SB 3 Times in a row before both charges are on CD and then we pop Last Stand?
chilly brook
@hallow phoenix xD brother
@boreal haven yes you use Last Stand when you have no SB charges available
strong forum
Depends on how many targets there are
If there's 2+, TC over SS during avatar
Unless you're running short of rage for your next SB
boreal haven
Oh. TC generated Rage increases by Nr. of Targets?
strong forum
No
I'm talking dmg output
On 2 targets TC does more than SS during avatar.
But if you absolutely need the rage in aoe for SB you SS over TC
In pure ST, always SS over TC
boreal haven
Okay
Thanks
If we run out of SB and last Stand, we use Shockwave or leap away I guess
boreal haven
Thanks
Have to get a feeling for it
Iam used to the other Tanks, where you literally always have some kind of Mitigation up
sick sentinel
use wall shout ask for external ask for aoe stuns or move out for couple seconds rather then kite all the way out
boreal haven
With Guardian you have really high Uptime to
sick sentinel
i hate kiting except necrotic weeks and it works out well as long as you know what you are doing
boreal haven
If you really try it, I think you can do nearly 100% Uptime on Ironfur. But not 100%sure
boreal haven
Yeah I hope I can get a good Feeling for Warrior.
Have a dumb Question to Block.
If we have 100% Block during SB
We have 30% Dr on all Physical Attacks right?
chilly brook
Tbh as prot I never feel like I'm not covered especially in M+
your block DR is dependent on your block stat
sick sentinel
depending on your block rating not really %30 flat DR and not all physical attacks all the blockable stuff
undone sun
From shields
chilly brook
And that % can go much higher if you proc a crit block
boreal haven
And can we crit Block?
sick sentinel
yes
boreal haven
Ah ok
sick sentinel
it doubles the damage reduction
chilly brook
btw
completely off topic
but the Personal Time Displacer in Mechagon does that give access to more dailies?
hallow phoenix
I dont do mechagon enough to answer that, but I thought dailies were only up in there when chromie is up
chilly brook
I just googled it, it grants access to two extra dailies
I'm just trying to hit exalted already so I can have this stupid rank 3
marble lily
hey guys ! I just heard out that I have to start tanking in our raids with my warriors. So my questions are that what weakauras are you using to track defensives and visions of perfection procs?
ionic fern
#ui-addons-manager -first pin has various options
I'm lazy so i'm using our very own Sense's WA:
https://wago.io/rJME07Vg7
Easy to understand and covers pretty much everything.
marble lily
thanks feelycrafter !
ionic fern
sick sentinel
@ionic fern are you just feely or touchy-feely?
sick sentinel
Intrigued
exotic spoke
Mmmm I hope itās touchy feely
ionic fern
No. It's feely-touchy.
sullen valve
Protection warrior? You can use wowA for that! New feature is timeline highlighting on bad shield block casts (if you go the the timeline tab you can see red boxes around your bad shield block casts now)
delicate ruin
Can I use crit haste gear of fury for tanking? Wanna try to tank, this would be my first
sick sentinel
Yeap, totally
delicate ruin
nice, for essence just follow icyvein for easy beginner tanking right?
I have most of the essence except for null
warm plinth
@Griff#2598 Itās actually 3 extra dailies. You obtain one in town after using the displacer, then that one has a follow-up. The other is obtainable after killing The Rusty Prince rare (spawns inside Junkwatt Depot nearish the entrance on a 15-30 min timer). Bring an armored vaultbot key with you because the quest you get after is to kill the alt timeline vaultbot (heās not a ārareā in alt timeline really; respawns fast but still drops his normal stuff), and the key is the only way to kill him in that timeline.
Also rip ping
sullen valve
R I P you put so much time intothat post
warm plinth
Lol and I typed it on my phone too!
@delicate ruin you looking to tank dungeons or raids?
delicate ruin
probably dungeon
I'm not anywhere near good to be for raid
haha
like completely new to tanking
never play tank before
warm plinth
Vision major, and then C&S, Sphere, Lucid minors depending on what you have. Null is pretty good in some dungeons too.
As a minor
Make sure you read the guide thoroughly. And the most common mistake new warrior tanks make is over-prioritizing Ignore Pain. Shield Block should be your #1 priority whenever itās not up.
wooden radish
@ionic fern what do you think about the bolvar image?
delicate ruin
my guildie told me to spam Shield Block whenever it's of cd
and use last stand
when SB is not on
warm plinth
Yeah you should be able to do SBx3 Last Stand, SB to maximize uptime during extended tanking
delicate ruin
should I reserve rage for revenge or just dump it all in IP?
warm plinth
In M+, revenge is free a lot. Most rage that isnāt spent on SB will go to IP
delicate ruin
the guide is quite complicated, I just want some dumb down version to start with M0 then move on
haha
warm plinth
Yeah itās a lot to take in especially if youāre new to tanking in general.
warm plinth
It can but itās not really focused on that. And you probably will want to have it scan parts of the log rather than the whole thing.
Because logs record downtime between mobs and such, so if you donāt narrow it down, itāll probably think you missed casts that you really didnāt.
fickle hawk
are there any tank swaps needed for za'qul in hc ? š
still flame
hey everyone! Lvling my first WoW character (Mooberrypie, US-Bonechewer) and Im now up to 98. Im loving the tank gameplay, and Im excited to learn from all of you
surreal stump
you never have to swap persay, just have who ever is better at taking least amount of dmg main tank other one just goofs off unless adds are being face tanked by a clothie in bfe
warm plinth
Welcome to the game poochootrain
still flame
my first questions would be about what to focus on right now (anything besides leveling?), is there any usefulness to doing the old content (like completing all the story chapters or places I've missed while leveling up), and are there any specific prot warrior add-ons you guys like besides the ones mentioned in the guide/resources for specific ability trackers
fickle hawk
Thx alot @surreal stump !!
ionic fern
@wooden radish what img?
surreal stump
be careful unless they changed it sometimes the linked tank takes extra dmg all i remember honestly that and watch raid get hit by the tentacle
warm plinth
That was way bigger than I anticipated š
surreal stump
that picture was bad ass looking tho
warm plinth
Yeah, for sure
vale kestrel
Iirc, we are supposed to roll shoulders right
From residuum?
My first piece to roll for
warm plinth
That's your best possibility for good traits, so I would if it's your first
surreal stump
i use bad armor lol, i use rolled chest fish shoulders and engy helm. lol
vale kestrel
And 435 chest from zaquuul
still flame
I've rolled a Tauren Prot Warrior which I get isn't the best race for warrior but im liking it a lot so far. like I said im 98, so im hoping to complete 1 chapter of the WoD expansion before getting to 100 and moving to Legion. is there anything in particular I should make sure I do or get as im leveling up?
strong forum
Not really, old expansions can be safely ignored for current ones
surreal stump
id do all wod just for teh quest lines/rep and shit so u can eventually get flying there
strong forum
The only stuff you can get is toys or transmog, nothing that impacts your current power
surreal stump
but you can go back and do later
still flame
oh, that's pretty disappointing that they have no relevance
strong forum
I mean it's old for a reason
surreal stump
as for being a cow, my tank was a cow for years
still flame
yeah @surreal stump I was thinking of going back to do the dungeons/raids at 120 so I can at least use some of the gear that might drop
surreal stump
i went zanda and prolly gonna go murder fury cause lawls
still flame
@strong forum thats true. I like some of the stories and gameplay, id love to go and get some of the achievements
strong forum
Ye you're always free to get those
surreal stump
gear from the raids and stuff arent worth unless you want transmog toys pets/mounts id level up work on getting to current stuff and have fun honestly
strong forum
Do what you want to do, there's nothing to miss out on if you level first or do stuff along the way
wooden radish
@ionic fern bruh don't you read wowhead bruh
still flame
@strong forum Thats true. @surreal stump Im excited to get to 120 and be able to help with raids, whether its my guild or another group. I really wanna do more of those
strong forum
Ye thats what current wow is mostly about
warm plinth
Race for your toon doesn't matter; it's an aesthetic choice for the most part. Some racials are strong but honestly the only ones that are very strong are on alliance side anyway.
wooden radish
"strong" š
strong forum
' very '
still flame
gotcha. well if I end up upgrading to BFA (most likely) and getting the 110 boost im not sure how id use it. maybe even another tank warrior tbh im not sure
strong forum
Don't use it insta
warm plinth
Yeah I agree, don't use the boost.
It doesn't expire. Level the normal way first; it helps a ton to get familiar with your class/spec.
You can always use the boost for an alt later
strong forum
Just finish leveling a character, level a new one if you feel like it.
If you aren't experienced in the game you'll learn alot by leveling a class
still flame
no id use it for another character
yeah its been a ton of fun leveling my prot warrior
warm plinth
Most of my alts I learned a lot about on the way up just because I was getting the abilities gradually and could see how they work as I leveled.
vale kestrel
^ Iām the complete opposite. I hate getting muscle memory on spells
still flame
tanking in dungeons has been mixed -- sometimes i get "wow you do a lot of dmg for tank" or someone being mad i pulled something wrong
vale kestrel
That get introduced at a weird time
Iād rather know my whole kit and plan out the buttons accordingly
warm plinth
My best piece of advice to a new tank is that you should really not let people bother you. Listen to what they are saying between the maybe not so nice words, and make note of it so you don't keep making the same mistake. But tanking is the easiest role to see mistakes in and people will call you out on them.
surreal stump
i have leveled every class, not all specs tho, i leveled a toon once just so i could help a friend who was struggling to dps well. and i had no idea how to play a mage at the time lol
ionic fern
Tell them to bug off.
80% of random pugs are toxic as hell.
Just hide your chat, easy.
warm plinth
It's not even worth saying anything back most of the time; it'll just encourage them most of the time.
vale kestrel
^you sometimes get the nice words and thanks from dps though
And thatās always a nice feeling
still flame
gotcha, honestly its been mostly a good experience when i say its my first time in this dungeon/raid
vale kestrel
Oof I never say that or else youāll get kicked from the high key
still flame
^^
yup, lvl 98 right now
dont think im gonna have enough gold to upgrade my heirloom pieces for the next max lvl (to 100) so it may be a little more of a grind
warm plinth
Are you NA or EU?
surreal stump
i hardly speak in randoms, ill be honest most people are so fucking stupid with words today that i avoid it, but then again, I am an older player so some of the shit they say i dont understand
still flame
haha š
warm plinth
Yeah I don't talk much in pugs unless they talk to me first
warm plinth
If you want, you can add me in-game Ghash#1346
warm plinth
Hey how is your gobby going? What ilevel now?
exotic spoke
- Doing carries
warm plinth
Nice
My druid got a 430 trinket in his cache last week and jumped from 431 to 437 š
I was still using a 390
warm plinth
My cache currently; can't even click on it š
tame garden
Woah
warm plinth
I did it bois
Finally got a decent fuckin trinket on my warrior. No more merektha's fang for me
ebon hound
big
warm plinth
Congrats
hallow phoenix
Now I just need to upgrade my benthic
vale kestrel
hmm i got sky scorcher pauldron 450 from residuum vendor
@warm plinth awesome dude congrats!
sick sentinel
damn nice
exotic spoke
What content palybase
For raids dps would be some combo of cyclo, 445 inkpod, and 450coral
For m+ some combo of450 edicts, 450 urchin and then above choices of inkpod or Coral
strong forum
Yup same
exotic spoke
So it would have to be a pretty huge rezans
exotic spoke
They are revising it and no info other than they are refusing the corruption system
strong forum
Wait what
No corrupted from m+?
If that's the case, it's literally dead
Unless they decide to bump it to +15s giving mythic loot
strong forum
Ah
tame garden
No sense worrying about it til we have more info. Hopefully blizzcon reveals all
exotic spoke
But we have no other info
warm plinth
They're making the corruption not a roll; it's gonna be a fixed amount from what I could infer from their post
But all they really said is "corruption won't be another roll"
compact kettle
should make it like it was in mop. just a set amount of item level an no socket bullshit
strong forum
And just have it a fixed amount in each tier
warm plinth
Yeah that's what I was thinking too Nome. x corruption for tier 1, y corruption for tier 2, etc
grand spruce
What chest should we be aiming for as prot?
strong forum
Ashvane warden cuirass
grand spruce
Ty
shadow tapir
May I have an opinon, would anyone lose 38 haste to gain 90 avoidance? With the loss in haste I'm still at 41.5% haste w/ 5 stacks of Into the Fray. If I keep the 38 haste I'm at 42%, either way seems a little negligible?
exotic spoke
Removing titanforging means they would have to redesign how they do m+ loot - as it was designed with TF in mind
No sheets
Tertiary stats arenāt worth it. They are an added benefit but not something you sacrifice stats for
warm plinth
Avoidance only works against a small percentage of relevant mechanics. Haste is good for everything.
shadow tapir
Ok, now if that addition of 90 avoidance also came with 58 stamina and 9 versatility at the penalty of losing 38 haste.. same answer?
warm plinth
Sounds like we're talking about different ilevel pieces
shadow tapir
Sorry, I'm not somewhere I can link the items. It's 2 Ritual Binder Rings, 430 and 440 but the 430 is socketed
so losing the socketed haste gem is the 38 haste reduction
exotic spoke
Use the 430 socket. Itās close but Iād go with that.
warm plinth
Yeah, I'd go with the 430 socket as well
exotic spoke
If it was a 445 ring Iād go with that
shadow tapir
Ok, thanks for the opinion. Another week of scrapping my chest item! š
At this point, with 40,000 Titan Residuum, is it worth saving up 200k for the proper 450 shoulder, rolling random or just saving up all of it for 8.3? Looking for opinions on what to do with my warrior, I don't have any alts so I'm beginning to run out of things to work towards.
exotic spoke
Roll random for shoulders
warm plinth
Saving is pointless at this stage
exotic spoke
You get something decent most of the time
shadow tapir
I love gambling! Great answer!
compact kettle
dont save at this point
warm plinth
You aren't going to save a relevant amount for next season, and you probably won't even get to 200k before the season ends (or it'll be really close)
That depends on your key levels you're doing obviously but for most people that applies
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
Unless they giga push 8.3
warm plinth
So if you're getting about 20k per week (probably more than the average person), that's just barely 200k at season end
shadow tapir
Ooo! Here's a secondary stats question, is there a point at which I should be saying "that's enough haste" and get mastery to a certain threshold? Master currently at 1,100, haste at 1,610.
novel agate
i like sitting at 20% haste before the talent kicks in, then go crit.
strong forum
I'm at 1.8k haste and 1.2k crit for example
shadow tapir
Ok, crit's down at 512 so that's worth trading out mastery for? I have the armor to do that now.
Unbuffed master at 22.19%
strong forum
Mastery is the stat you want the least off
shadow tapir
I mean haste, not mastery
warm plinth
Mastery is actually not a great stat in general. Bastion is good because it's a fuckload of mastery exactly when we have increased damage already.
strong forum
Just get as many stats as you can
shadow tapir
Damn, ok. I was thinking to stack the mastery to make bastion wreck harder. My mistake.
warm plinth
Bastion doesn't get better with more mastery; it's a fixed amount. Don't worry about stat %. If you are using your highest ilevel and mastery happens to be at 1100, you're doing it right
novel agate
Is it worth going devestator if you dont have the reckless fury traits? i have been working on getting my ST azerite for raiding and im at 443 ilvl so i think im ready to change off my traits to get the impending/reckless combos
shadow tapir
ok, if I go more stats > less stats that will bring crit down to 336.
ty for the input btw
warm plinth
I can't think of a reason it wouldn't still be worth it. Reckless Flurry and Devastator don't impact each other. They're independent "procs" on your auto attacks.
shadow tapir
And I assume Servant Spitter weapon, having no secondary stats is just a gimmick for possibly raising dps versus a standard 1h?
warm plinth
Whatever your highest ilevel weapon is, is the weapon you should use.
Weapon DPS factors into other things for us besides damage.
shadow tapir
they are the same.
warm plinth
For general purpose, use the one with secondaries. For single target damage, use Servant Splitter
shadow tapir
Ok, that's what I had assumed. Just using it to mess around on parsing things. The guild doesn't really do mythic so it's just been heroic re-clears constantly.
strong forum
Reckless flurry has nothing to do with devastator
shadow tapir
1st time in normal EP I got Zaq's axe, haven't seen it since out of Heroic. š¦
warm plinth
If Zaq'ul's axe is the same ilevel as Servant Splitter, it should be better for DPS (you can sim it though)
shadow tapir
I'm stuck using Royal Scaleguard's Battleaxe right now, haven't got the heroic axe to drop in 9 weeks
strong forum
If you want to maximise parsing @novel agate then yes it's more common to run Deva and reckless flurry
Idk what you mean by impending though
brittle owl
servant vs zaq axe comes down to how many RF's you have methinks, but simming should sort it out
shadow tapir
Yeah I assume Zaq axe is supreme, just can't get it and the one time it dropped the guy kept it for offspec. sad panda
shadow tapir
What I've been doing is if tanking survivability isn't an issue I just run with Servant's.
warm plinth
Frankly using the weapon with stats is probably not going to make the difference between whether you die or not.
brittle owl
your choice of weapon won't impact your survivability in the slightest
warm plinth
Weapons don't have much secondaries anyway
brittle owl
in general your stats don't matter for survival in most content
90% or more is dictated by how well you play the class and the encounter
strong forum
I have a scrapped 430+s weapon from zaq lying around in the twisting nether
brittle owl
dunno about zaq axe/splitter for warriors
but a 435 splitter+ socket outsims any 445 weapon outside another splitter or zaq axe
novel agate
i ment brace for impact, my brain is not with me this morning. sorry for the confusion
brittle owl
for paladins
shadow tapir
Oof Nomeratur. That hurts me deep. š¦ Good to know about the weapon tho y'all!
strong forum
I would need to kill mythic zaq to get a usable version of his weapon and cba that
If you're that far into a tier it literally doesn't matter anymore
I have 445 orgo weapon and that's better for dungeons anyway
shadow tapir
I could focus on collection Orgo weapon, that'd give me something to do. I traded it off twice. š¬
Collecting*
Anyone feel like weighing in and helping me to be less of a hoarder? What trinkets can absolutely be tossed? (i sometimes play arms)
the chain, fang
alpine stag
strong forum
On a wasted item
shadow tapir
Yeah, it was exciting and then immediate disappointment
I have occassionally used the chaint to troll dps when I'm bored.
strong forum
The howler you can get rid off too tbh, with having edict and urchin you'll never use it
shadow tapir
Ok, sometimes in M+ it's not worth to give the group some vers?
strong forum
Font of power is also big meh, not really good for any warri spec but I could be wrong on that one
strong forum
Hmm
shadow tapir
Ok, that's good to know!
strong forum
For m+ I'd just perma run edict + urchin or block + urchin
shadow tapir
I like the visual of it š
strong forum
Never jes
shadow tapir
Ok, ty for that Nom.
strong forum
Briny you can keep around for small shit like islands. For raid coral + inkpod is bis as tank for dmg
shadow tapir
So potentially scrapping the pumpkin, the troll chain, the fang, the meme button and jes.
strong forum
And get a better butchers block, that shits good
grand spruce
What's the best shoulders from residuum?
shadow tapir
Ok, spam the Waycrest. Got it!
strong forum
Kraken shell pauldrons @grand spruce
grand spruce
Ty
shadow wind
Since mechagon is going to be in the M+ rotation next patch, would the rings and punchcards be scaling up?
strong forum
Yes
Shit will be must haves
And the dungeon will be overly hard for weeks on end
Even months
grand spruce
Those rings will be nuts
shadow wind
Rip grinding
shadow wind
On the otherhand, all the azerite pieces have BoM on them
Makes the odds for gambling slightly easier
analog swift
for what it's worth, my push group timed a 15 mecha in the junkyard and the workshop on the ptr
it is much harder than any other 15
I mean partially it's that we still weren't sure what gave what % and had no route, but we were only timing the 15s with like two minutes left with only +2 affixes compared to live where 15s are free
I think it's going to be like cathedral/seat where it's just crazy overtuned because the base is overtuned
analog swift
I think it's the same scaling as 8.2
tbh I'm not sure we didnt' crunch the numbers but it felt the exact same doing other 15s
also mechagon only dropped 415 gear, might just not be updated on the ptr
but we'll see
shadow wind
More than likely
I'll probably try to gamble 415 pieces on the ptr to see if mechagon azerite is included
inland bolt
what's the bis azerite setup for prot war m+?
analog zinc
Would y'all go with a 2nd Deafening Crash or Swirling Sands for m+?
warm plinth
Swirling Sands
novel agate
i believe it is 3 BoM and Deafening for M+. you clap those trash packs
strong forum
3x bom 1x dc 2x ms @inland bolt
Just like last season
And probably next season aswell
Cuz traits haven't been majorly updated since 8.1
Almost like blizz forgot about their major 'thing'
And is trying to fix other issues by creating more issues
exotic spoke
^^ itās pretty fucking amazing
strong forum
š
exotic spoke
And I wouldnāt do three DC
analog swift
I think one IF beats a second MS
I think that's the dream build 3x bom 1 dc 1 MS 1 IF
exotic spoke
I donāt think so personally.
analog swift
WOW
strong forum
In what world
exotic spoke
The higher up time of shield block is pretty fucking amazing
analog swift
whatin the fuck, show how often i play prot war
for some reason I just blanked and thought MS was crit
strong forum
Big smurt
analog swift
until you said that, got it mixed up with my SS shoudlers rip
shows how often i'm playing prot warrior this season
exotic spoke
Use it for raid
exotic spoke
Imagine not being able to do what you want š
analog swift
dangerpink is ready to rock
strong forum
Or vdh patch in general
exotic spoke
Iāll still play prot - well see what happens
analog swift
hahahha tbh after playing my monk for so much of TEP
i ended up liking it more than prot
strong forum
Oof
exotic spoke
Boy, you might be retarded
exotic spoke
ā¤
strong forum
Traps aren't gay
exotic spoke
Leap and charge though
analog swift
idk, torpedo during barnacle and tranny back, gg
exotic spoke
Yeah they are Nome. Nothing wrong it it but itās gay
strong forum
Infernal strike >>>> everything
exotic spoke
50k shield slam crits though
strong forum
Vdh dmg buffs when
analog swift
also i do like 6K more damage as monk than warrior
exotic spoke
How
strong forum
Well that's just benthic
exotic spoke
What fight are you looking at?
strong forum
All tanks are competitive to deal almost the same dmg
analog swift
that's ashvane for example
exotic spoke
Without benthic I do 30-32k. I just CBA to do pearl farming
analog swift
i mean here's behemoth, which there's no real pad or anything
33K and that was with healers depring and letting my undulating tides proc!
exotic spoke
Youāre probably just better geared on your monk
strong forum
^
analog swift
idk my warrior is pretty similiarly geared
exotic spoke
Full benthic?
analog swift
well monk doesn't have full benthic
but same amount of benthic (crit boots on warrior but no belt)
strong forum
Belt is 800 dps, boots aren't alot
strong forum
Boots are the lowest dmg gain for tanks
Ye but warri has higher general dmg
From the class itself
Like, I did 34k on court as warri
With 1 benthic
exotic spoke
Because if Iām doing 30-32k without any benthic. I get benthic Iād gain a good amount of dps
strong forum
Benthic alone is 4k dps
exotic spoke
I mean I have 450s and some sockets in those places
analog swift
so?
distant crystal
strong forum
3x as many people doing better on average
distant crystal
strong forum
It does
formal forge
@distant crystal how do I download your profile picture
strong forum
There's more tryhards playing decent thus pushing average
distant crystal
kek
formal forge
Send me the image
exotic spoke
First you have to get a 450 geti
exotic spoke
Oof. Just one?
distant crystal
exotic spoke
Not even a 440 and a 430?
formal forge
And a 430 :(
distant crystal
there ya go
formal forge
Ty
exotic spoke
Oh ok, me too. We can be friends then
formal forge
Yay
exotic spoke
Do you have siphoning on it?
novel agate
I mean, the Icon is shared with the sword from FH so could just get a 450 of that one
exotic spoke
And oceans brilliance on your off hand
analog swift
him
hm
maybe it's that I can self heal more on the monk and get less undulating tides as well
exotic spoke
Waat and I had a thing where we were trolling the other 2 handed strength users
distant crystal
i wish i saved that screenshot that starater made
showing the 450 geti in my warcraftlogs feed
strong forum
Warri doesn't even play undulating to begin with
distant crystal
in front of my green/grey fury parses
exotic spoke
Lol
exotic spoke
What channel was that in
analog swift
am i just bad
strong forum
Don't look at bloodmallet
distant crystal
because it doesn't look at combos and it never procs the shield in sims
strong forum
But we have better
analog swift
3x reckless flurry
strong forum
Well then don't use benthics either
analog swift
when i was comparing War damage to brewmaster damage
formal forge
On so many fights your health just tanks
strong forum
If you're comparing top parsing build vs non top parsing build
Guess what comes out ahead :)
distant crystal
š
analog swift
i was responding to the comment about how often it's up
orgo would probably be the fight where it's barely up
analog swift
true
analog swift
that's true
analog swift
I'd be interested to see a sim compared UT vs. reck
strong forum
This isn't fury
exotic spoke
UT is up as long as youāre above a certain hp % right
formal forge
Oh
analog swift
kinda
formal forge
Wrong channel
strong forum
:)
formal forge
Jk i love you all
analog swift
for 45 seconds after you dip under 50 you don't have it
exotic spoke
So shield once every 45 seconds and extra damage
exotic spoke
Oof. I donāt like that interaction that much personally
strong forum
It's stronger than you think
exotic spoke
Yeah, but other pieces are pretty good too
analog swift
i mean
if it doesn't proc defensively
it's bonkers
only up 80% of the time on orgo and it did 1.1K dps
exotic spoke
I mean sure. Iām just saying I donāt like that as weāre undrrhealing some fights for healing parses right now
analog swift
rip
also my phial of the tempest was bonkers on my orgo kill
1.4K dps
probably the perfect fight for it
analog swift
yeah that log was a mega rip tho, I had to go 100% boss damage and then roll at the last second for soaks
exotic spoke
Reckless flurry is doing about 800 per trait right now
Healing parses on the healers Nome.
Under heal the fight and let them stand in shit / stand in shit myself
onyx abyss
Leech op for healers on orgo
undone sun
Leech is generally very strong for healers in raid. Period.
strong forum
It's insane on pallys
Any healer ye but insane on disc and pally cuz of the flip flop of dmg and healing
sick sentinel
And on resto druid tbh
Like every healer with a healthy amount of leech is one more person that they don't have to worry about
chilly brook
Dude why is Holy Paladin stupid fun
chilly brook
I mean itās simple af but itās always been but it feels good
Like I actually feel like a dude in plate armor whoās on the front line smackin shit with my hammer and healing those that need it
true plover
Is everyone just saving residuum now or still gambling for certain slots?
true plover
I'm missing 2 BoM so I was considering gambling for M+ but not sure if it'd even matter now.
strong forum
Up to you
If you want to pump
Or not
We still have like 2 months of this season unless blizz is pushing 8.3 hard
warm plinth
Imo saving is pointless at this stage, since best case you're probably gonna get your specific piece the week of or the week before the patch. Or you'll have an insignificant amount of TR for next season's randoms, since we're probably going to have costs in the millions (my guess is probably 3-4 mil for a random and 10 mil for a specific next season).
warm plinth
No way a random is 700k
true plover
I was expecting it to keep around the same increase as last time which would put a random mythic around 1.25 - 1.5
strong forum
Actually. Now that I think about it ye true
warm plinth
They haven't been a consistent increase. The S2 to S3 increase was significantly larger than the S1 to S2
warm plinth
These are the cache amounts
A specific for S2 was 7125 iirc? Or something around there
undone sun
š
strong forum
Ye aught
warm plinth
Or no, maybe I'm thinking 1725 for random, then 9kish for specific
strong forum
Multiple millions sounds plausible
exotic spoke
Iām saving TR now
undone sun
People I was talking to last night were saving š
warm plinth
Yeah i mean if you were lucky to get good azerite early, saving makes sense because you might actually get enough to shave a week off a random
But if you're at next to none now, there's really no point in saving unless you already have your best azerite
exotic spoke
lucky
I saved for my ashvane chest
And then got the two shoulders and the other chest I wanted randomly
warm plinth
I'm sure after this 445 rezan's I'll be unlucky on my 450s
exotic spoke
Lol
true plover
If the increase is anything like what it was from s1 to s2 then it might end up being upwards of 15mil for a specific.
warm plinth
Yeah, they've been massive increases
true plover
So 1-2m seems reasonable.
true plover
They could also do a currency squish for residuum overall so the numbers don't look so absurdly high.
chilly brook
That would be nice tbh
TBH I think the best way to handle it is every season to reset everyoneās currency to 0 instead of having inflation and then just lower the previous seasons gear costs
Kinda like how a lot of games handled pvp currency season to season
strong forum
Ye im hype for 9.0
Bolvar looking badass af
Dragon knights coming
Fucking hot shit
high bough
Tinker tanks
chilly brook
Imagine a mana based cloth tank š
strong forum
Didnt you see the dragon Knight leak
exotic spoke
No cause I donāt check that shit. Also isnāt that what China used instead of death knights
chilly brook
I mean apparently a lich class leaked
chilly brook
But I donāt put any stock into class leaks
exotic spoke
Just no new tank please. I donāt care other than that
We have as many classes able to tank as we have classes that can do ranged dps.
Since vanilla weāve gained healers, tanks, and melee dps. But weāve lost a ranged dps spec
undone sun
Melee obviously superior
exotic spoke
Obv.
exotic spoke
What would?
chilly brook
We have 5 tank specs
exotic spoke
6
chilly brook
We have double that of ranged
chilly brook
^
exotic spoke
VDH is a tank
strong forum
Monk isn't
undone sun
?
strong forum
Fuck monks
chilly brook
Lol
undone sun
Alright enough biased
strong forum
B)
exotic spoke
Also, in the first part of the statement Iām saying we have as many classes that can tank as we have classes that can do ranged
exotic spoke
The second part is separate
Weāve gained tank specs, melee specs, healer specs - but weāve lost a ranged spec
chilly brook
And we still have way more ranged specs than tank specs which means thereās less variety in tanking
strong forum
If both deal equal dmg, ranged will be stronger cuz ranged
chilly brook
I donāt see the problem in adding another tank spec
undone sun
I'd rather have proper balance in current roles than adding a new one
strong forum
Me neither, but we need a new healer first and foremost tbh
chilly brook
I mean tbh tank balance is probably the best itās ever been
exotic spoke
We have 6 classes that can ranged and 6 classes that can tank.
Fix the tank imbalances before adding another one
Give more ranged
undone sun
They have a hard time with current specs, don't need to add at least 3
undone sun
Outliers on both sides are quite ridiculous
chilly brook
Examples plz
strong forum
That's cuz traits
BDK is behind like crazy cuz traits haven't been addressed at all
exotic spoke
Prot warriors, monks are super fucking strong. WhTs a VDH tank?
chilly brook
Vengeance is doing great
exotic spoke
For what?
chilly brook
Wadu
exotic spoke
Raid?
strong forum
M+ and raiding
In m+ vdh might even be stronger than pally
Just cuz you sleep on the spec doesn't mean it's bad
strong forum
It's insane
exotic spoke
Being behind in damage is a big thing. They also donāt have consistent up time (along with other tanks) in mitigation which is an issu e
exotic spoke
I go with what the person who plays havoc and VDH says ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ