so what have i missed
#protection
sand egret
eh basically that
lusty grotto
ok so nothing 🙂
sand egret
they just did a change to make corruption static, so one layer of RNG down
two more to go!
lusty grotto
eh i really dont mind the corruption thing
it wont affect me
same as tf/wf didn't affect me
lusty grotto
i knew instantly we would have 99,999 videos with the headline "titanforge replaced with something worse"
sand egret
anywho jjust a lot of waiting and 🍿
lusty grotto
but eh i dont really care
sand egret
raid actually looks kinda neat
lusty grotto
im hoping it pulls me out of classic a bit more
sand egret
Anima (the M+ one) is ok as a major if you set up mega pulls around it. But, VoP is going to be your move anyway as a major
as for minors, naw
yeah it's pretty straight forward and people have good enough knowledge of HM so getting through it should be pretty simple
lusty grotto
eh
these past 2 weeks all ive done is shrine
np np
anyway
i was thinking the other night, if they remove TF/WF and since corruption is just this patch alone... BiS lists will come around again
and of course BiS lists are love/hate
have you discussed that yet with the homies blade?
exotic spoke
Sup.
sand egret
nope, but word on the street is a new way loot scaling is being thrown around @lusty grotto
talked with him a few days ago, "lots of meetings" was his answer 🙂
exotic spoke
Do I go with a second Irish coffee or just a Jameson neat?
exotic spoke
Try two weeks and based on that statement guess
distant crystal
substitute the coffee with kahlua
exotic spoke
I only have Jameson at my desk
sand egret
twitch sent me this glenmorangie 18 as a thank you present that I got here at my desk. Shit is NICE
sand egret
yeah my last project was with Twitch
exotic spoke
Ooohhhhh that makes sense
sand egret
sort of a thanks for everything gesture. They actually sent us a bunch of booze lol
exotic spoke
I was like “is blade an undercover huge streamer”
exotic spoke
Well, on top of a shit two weeks - it’s also a great night. Game three of World Series. And caps hockey
Leave work at 7. Baseball at 8. Hockey at 10
It’s going to be great
distant crystal
IB you pass out drunk at 7:30
sand egret
niiice
yeah treat yoself
i just had to solo a patch release this past week on two platforms....so I feel ya on that sentiment
may visit my bottle a bit early as well....
exotic spoke
Naaah @distant crystal I’m no bitch
exotic spoke
Depends on where I go and how much I imbibe.
Several options, some much closer (and therefore cheaper to get home when drunk) and some further - so I drink a lot less
hushed cobalt
@@sand egret please elaborate on the glenmorangie because that's on my xmas gift to friend list
chilly brook
I need to see if I can’t get some keys sold
hushed cobalt
I ran a fh12 and got my first compliment. Only because pulling everything in sight seemed like the right idea
chilly brook
Lol
I did some big pulls last night in a ML12 which was a bad idea because disc priest
hushed cobalt
Whoa I play disc and stuffs ezpz you probably didn't press sb
chilly brook
I mean I did though
But then again there’s also a shit ton of non blockable damage in ML
But there were also times where I was out healing the priest
hushed cobalt
That sometimes happens
chilly brook
Disc just isn’t my favorite healer for keys at all
hushed cobalt
I can see it. Tank has to really be on top of being defensive for disc to work
Then again my priest does 10-13s
When schism gets the nerfbat i'll go more healer-y
chilly brook
Lol
Don’t get me wrong I like the idea of disc
But I’m not a fan of the execution of it
Rift had the right idea imo
Give the damage healer two stances and a beacon, one stance is increased beacon healing with reduced aoe and the other is all aoe, none of this atonement micro management crap
hushed cobalt
I like disc for the dps and burst raid healing
Fh12 or 13 last night my schism buffed (and sweetie sub 30% buff) did 1.2m from just cyclo+3stack crucible
chilly brook
Lol
hushed cobalt
I do find my hp as prot to be a little erratic with a disc healer tho
chilly brook
I guess I’m just biased having played other games with healers who heal through damage, disc just doesn’t feel like it’s designed that well to me
It feels a lot like instead of a complete rework they kinda bandaided atonement in there and said “eh it’s close enough” in legion
hushed cobalt
I'd like it if disc dps was more polarized. Less damage but more healing, and less healing but more damage if you get me
chilly brook
I know what you mean
hushed cobalt
Druid is like, y'all get hots then imma kitty scratch things to death
autumn pendant
disc has it hard in m+
frigid heart
If you are struggle with a 12 it’s got nothin to do with disc priest lol
exotic spoke
You can say the same thing with a lot of key levels
warm plinth
tbh I never saw him say he struggled with a 12; literally all he said was that he felt his HP was more erratic with a disc healer.
hushed cobalt
^i play offensively most of the time. haven't got into, or tried really, to push keys
chilly brook
I didn’t struggle lmao
lusty grotto
hey im back for 5 mins
warm plinth
lusty grotto
5 mins over, later
chilly brook
Just found some points where I was like “my health isn’t moving and I’m under half” died maybe once or twice but it wasn’t like I wasn’t doing my part, I had 20k hps on a lot of the pulls while utilizing shield block and last stand inside of gaps but the priest didn’t really ever go above 20k outside of periods where the group itself was taking damage but even then he seemed to struggle with recovery
chilly brook
No u
lusty grotto
😂
chilly brook
🙃
lusty grotto
👋
chilly brook
Hey man at least I have branding if I ever wanna take YouTube seriously
lusty grotto
indeed
chilly brook
It’s not hard to remember either
exotic spoke
Obviously YouTube isn’t twitch are dead. Just go to mixer
undone sun
ez
sick sentinel
imagine not having a custom discord status already
sick sentinel
Sure, and?
chilly brook
I mean shroud has the personality of a plank of wood
lusty grotto
yeah im gonna miss the whole doc + shroud thing
i wonder if the mixer contract allows him to continue doing those
i doubt it
chilly brook
I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to collaborate
His end of the collaboration would still be mixer exclusive
lusty grotto
im pretty sure the doc has been approached by mixer already
chilly brook
If he hasn't been he's definitely on the radar
chilly brook
yikes
undone sun
neither are
lusty grotto
@exotic spoke
undone sun
@ me
chilly brook
@exotic spoke
lusty grotto
@undone sun
undone sun
👋
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke
exotic spoke
I will fight all of you
chilly brook
I won't fight you though
lusty grotto
and be entertaining
lusty grotto
but YOU NEED SOUND for doc watching
undone sun
i can't say i've ever watched shroud
exotic spoke
It’ll be a multi hour fight between prot warriors
sick sentinel
I won't fight you I just wanted to ping you
lusty grotto
i have a doc tshirt, fite me
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke I once dueled a prot warrior
exotic spoke
Awww ❤ @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
WE BOTH HAD ABSORBOTRON
exotic spoke
Forfeit?
sick sentinel
After 10 mins
exotic spoke
Lollol
sick sentinel
I then learned that duels DO have a time limit
We just kept getting victory rushes from each other's robot
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Yeah, I learned that too watching a disc and rdruid duel
lusty grotto
fite me riki
chilly brook
lusty grotto
excuse me most keys are 40 mins okay
exotic spoke
fucking fan boi
chilly brook
🙃
exotic spoke
I ❤ you still
lusty grotto
listen you robot god worshipper
lusty grotto
androids cant beat the 2 time
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
shroud is a robot didnt you know
lusty grotto
being king of reddit isnt something you want to be remembered by
exotic spoke
I mean - I have no problems with Reddit. But I don’t look at weird shit
lusty grotto
i wonder if he can answer at what time does the narwalh bacon
undone sun
😑
lusty grotto
im leading onyxia on sunday 😬
chilly brook
You know the Doc G-Fuel video he did?
exotic spoke
Oof classic
lusty grotto
hmm yeah
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto midnight?
chilly brook
got that as my wallpaper rn
chilly brook
wallpaper engine is ❤
lusty grotto
sorry i meant to say "johnny kaege, king of reddit"
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel is king of my heart
chilly brook
@lusty grotto any tips to classic leveling? it's rough as a warrior tbh
lusty grotto
come to kirtonos alliance guys, i need people that won't be retarded
sick sentinel
❤
warm plinth
Don't ask Nim; he's not even 60 yet
exotic spoke
Get someone to powerlevel you griff
warm plinth
Nice photoshop
chilly brook
lol
lusty grotto
lmao
exotic spoke
Fucking knew it. Nim sold out
sick sentinel
raidleader
exotic spoke
SELL OUT
sick sentinel
What a headache
warm plinth
Imagine Nim leading raids
chilly brook
tbh I'm trying to get a group to sell keys so I can buy CoD MW
lusty grotto
honestly griff, warrior leveling will be rough until lvl 40
exotic spoke
yeah tell me about it. It’s a thankless job herding cats
sick sentinel
I never sell out
lusty grotto
just do whatever is lower level
sick sentinel
I only buy in
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
and by 50/50 i mean my math isnt good
sick sentinel
50/50
exotic spoke
Seven deuce off - time to go all in
sick sentinel
You either win
exotic spoke
Either I win or I lose - 50/50
sick sentinel
Or you lose
lusty grotto
little by little, those blinds add up
exotic spoke
Yup
lusty grotto
holy fuck my english is awful today
warm plinth
Tu hable ingles?
exotic spoke
Hablas
chilly brook
It's ok I still don't have flying
lusty grotto
😱
chilly brook
Mechagon is aids
near ivy
without flying it sure is : )
lusty grotto
i liked mechagon, and it shouldnt be too bad now that you can craft the thingies
which i forgot the name of because ive been classic'd
oscillators?
just get the jetpacks np np
warm plinth
How do you not have flying yet, good grief
You could literally have done nothing but the WQ every day in Mecha and been exalted by now
chilly brook
I mean I'm like over 60% of the way through honored
@warm plinth I missed almost 2 months of this patch
chilly brook
Btw for those of you who have done M Org, are there some times where the soak bugs for you and even though you're standing in it it applies the debuff to everyone?
chilly brook
Myself and my cotank experienced it
went back through replay and it even showed us inside the soak
Granted there was some other weirdness that happened like me just dying from full health out of no where on the way down the ramp
hallow phoenix
We had orgo melee someone on the ramp I believe
At least that's what details said
Other than that no weirdness and if I bothered to look at the log it'd probably be fall damage
chilly brook
logs just showed me die
like no falling damage or anything, but it was also mid chi torpedo so it was probably some weird clipping with the terrain thing
hallow phoenix
Probably thought you fell off
grand spruce
is the Urchin good for M+?
warm plinth
Yeah
timid agate
how are warriors for tanking magic damage?
near ivy
not great
analog zinc
quick question, does Anima do more dmg during Last Stand?
near ivy
it does damage based on your max hp
analog zinc
pog
time to pop LS & Rallying cry on pull to do big damage
also a resto shaman with the hp buff talent 😮
analog zinc
yeah my alternative is rank 1 lucid or rank 2 crucible
warm plinth
Fair enough. Gotta get your ass into Mecha and get Vision man!
analog zinc
i told a guildie i'd run it tomorrow with him
does demo effect it?
essences i mean
warm plinth
Demo doesn't affect anything that isn't a warrior ability; likewise with Avatar.
stoic pilot
mighty summit
yikes
stoic pilot
Yeah.. but hey at least i get to meme and potentially help kill someone xd
open bluff
how can there be memes when it has no leech
chilly brook
to be fair it's not that low, I only sim about 26k in single target at 436 without running deva
strong forum
Take Cof Major
Take Deva talent.
Those 2 are like 4k dps gain
Then ofc low ilvl
And traits im too lazy to check
But getting better trinkets and essences and alone can get you close to to 28k+
hallow phoenix
Got Subroutine: Defragmentation finally
anyone have experience with it in pvp
@vale kestrel unbridled fury instead of strength will give you another 1k DPS or thereabouts
sick sentinel
@hallow phoenix it's good only in arena
vale kestrel
thanks all
hallow phoenix
Is it good good in arena or just good
sick sentinel
really really good for arms @hallow phoenix
tender burrow
DPS azerite for keys? anyone know?
ebon hound
what traits does the most dps?
tender burrow
what would be an ideal build
sage path
Run defragment, run sporepod, stay defensive stand, enemy team no understand why they can’t kill you.
oblique garnet
@ebon hound In what m+ or raids?
void hill
Dwarf or DI Dwarf for M+?
warm plinth
If you don’t care, I’d go for DID @void hill. Mostly because Fireblood has a shorter CD than Stoneform and has offensive use.
void hill
That was my logic as well. Thanks
sharp rover
Are the engineering goggles good for prot at all?
sweet summit
they are decent
sharp rover
They don't sim well on bloodmallet, but that doesn't say much for prot I feel
warm plinth
They're like...the 4th? best helm
strong forum
Bomb is big for pure aoe yes
sharp rover
BFI or bloodsport for keystones?
warm plinth
I'd use BfI. Still gives you block and single target damage. Bloodsport is meh.
sharp rover
RNG/OP/Absorb-o-tron traits?
warm plinth
Cauterizer isn't bad for some dungeons. Can remove berserker bleed and shit
outer dew
You run absorbateon
strong forum
Ablative is borderline useless
strong forum
In s2 absorba was broken
outer dew
Lmao, its because
You didn't see the asshole
Just walk and pull mobs during shroud
😂 😂
outer dew
You had to wait on him disappearing before shroud
sharp rover
Wait, absorb pulls aggro?
sharp rover
Well fuck.
onyx abyss
anyone been doing raid testing and tracking if we can reflect/deflect anything?
fathom dragon
HELLO ALL
icy garnet
can reflect on raden and 1 shot him. that's all i know.
blazing condor
i got 2 445 gloves. one with haste mastery and one with vers crit. Idk if its worth taking the one with vers because i lack a bit of that stat-wise where as i have a lot of haste mastery. (20% haste and 34% mastery and 5% vers without the vers gloves on)
warm plinth
@blazing condor Always the one with haste if one has it. Stat percentages aren’t something we worry about.
toxic perch
Hey whats the best essences for high m+ and for raids? got 65 traits
warm plinth
This is prot
toxic perch
im confused
warm plinth
Vision major, sphere, C&S, lucid minors
honest plinth
so sphere>null?
dark lark
Null is nice for shrine too
And waycrest on fort weeks
KR trash after 2nd boss
All on fort weeks
dark lark
Majority of wars on m+ leaderboard have vision major, cns and aegis/crucible, presumably for DPS. Take that with a grain of salt
sick sentinel
also, null in shrine? just interrupt
dark lark
"just"
sick sentinel
vision major and CNS are a staple, we don't change those
the third minor can be sphere/aegis/lucid/null with that order of importance
dark lark
I can call out kicks on water blasts and spectral blasts all I want but eventually I'll be hit PepeHands
sick sentinel
CoF is a bit of a stretch
dark lark
Ya
sick sentinel
I would be running aegis more if I didn't have 1200 haste
that's honestly not enough
dark lark
Are you gemming/enchanting haste or crit?
strong forum
1.8k haste chad here
sick sentinel
I'm gemming and enchanting haste my dude
getting good tfs doesn't mean they have good stats as well
dark lark
@@strong forum Link your armory?
I got some tissues
@sick sentinel I've been lucky, all my TFs have some sort of haste
sick sentinel
1100 crit
1200 haste
750 vers
1300 mastery
exotic spoke
According to armory
exotic spoke
I’m 1263 mastery to
dark lark
I can't, I can't break through your ignore pain during avatar/BoM
sick sentinel
I do get some nice 100k IPs or something but still
dark lark
You'll have to live in your own personal hell
My ignore pains are typically in the high 50s, so I have to spam that shit lol
exotic spoke
I’m like 450 equipped
sick sentinel
autumn pendant
big
clever crater
I'm feeling kinda squishy after changing 2 pieces of azerite (who were 435) to a 450 (bought with residuum) because none of them have BoM. Should I give up the 15 levels on both pieces to have triple BoM?
dark lark
I'm leaning no, I think you only drop ilvl for your first trait of deaf crash
sick sentinel
depends on what you got in the 450s
sick sentinel
:)
clever crater
@dark lark That's another problem I face. Since I'm a newbie, I tend to follow blindly what the AzeritePowerWeights tell me to do, but I know that they are trying to maximize damage over survivability. For instance, the bloodmallet one counts BfI as 619 and DC as 251.
@sick sentinel
dark lark
BFI is great for single target damage and for defense, nothing wrong with it
sick sentinel
have on DC but thats it
clever crater
Hum... but in this case I don't have a single DC, they are almost always in the same tier...
sick sentinel
most of the warr traits is good and works well
clever crater
@sick sentinel What about the helmet tho? It's the left one. I just saw the stylesheet made in guides-resource-faq and they don't even mention any of the traits I have on it
hallow phoenix
Traits on the helm are fine
I like tradewinds more than CR personally
Does your other piece have DC?
DC is worth dropping ilvl
Nvm I see it on the right
clever crater
Thanks for the tips, guys ❤
warm plinth
AzeritePowerWeights? What is that?
hallow phoenix
I want pawn but for transmog
strong forum
@dark lark just check for my name, literally called nomeratur everywhere
warm plinth
You're a nomeratur
warm plinth
azure grove
I've seen several times ppl telling they got like 20k hps+ in M+. I'm at 10-15k in usually with around 10m absorb on IP. How to get those numbers?
near ivy
defensive trinkets, higher keys, better play
azure grove
I'm playing with the Ashvane trinket and keys around +17
rapid jewel
higher keys = more incoming damage = more value from IP and selfheal.
But who cares about HPS, just dont die and pump out damage and bring control, job done
azure grove
So the hps goes up by itself the higher the keys get?
undone sun
theoretically
near ivy
if you take more damage
you have more to heal
it is more likely that you will overheal in a +6 than in a +21
azure grove
Na I don't really care about the hps, just curious about how to get those numbers
rapid jewel
to consume a full IP i need roughly 110k damage intake. I can spam IPs with shieldblock all day long in M+, but it rarely gets comsumed fully bevor the next IP is up
near ivy
^^
this kinda ties in with what i said about overhealing
except its over IP'ing
which is controllable but the point stands
azure grove
My DPS depending on affixes and pulls is about 30k+ overall
near ivy
you will burn through IP faster in higher keys
rapid jewel
< bad at reading and writing
azure grove
Hmm I will check how much of IP is running into overheal later ^^
rapid jewel
yeah, also you arent toped as much as well, less overheal, more effective healing from ashvane trinket for example, like staratar said.
undone sun
IP only overheals if you let it run out
rapid jewel
IP has a cap
undone sun
yes
azure grove
What if I clip an already applied IP?
undone sun
doesn't count as overheal
rapid jewel
so if you mindelssly spam IP you overcap it, aka overheal. But most meters dont track it, logs could work
undone sun
it's better to overcap IP than to overcap rage
rapid jewel
sure but there is also revenge 🙂
near ivy
correct me if im wrong
but applying the absorb isnt the healing
damage being dealt to the absorb is
undone sun
absorbs are considered healing when they get depleted
near ivy
^^
rapid jewel
yes you are right, thats the reason why its shitty to track
near ivy
so reapplying it over and over isnt healing
so it isnt overhealing
incredibly difficult to track
and most likely needs to be tracked 1 by 1
rapid jewel
but it is wasted rage if you pump it to hard
azure grove
But there a situations where u got revenge proc, you are about to cap rage and your IP is already up
undone sun
no?
near ivy
overcapping rage is more of a waste than overcapping IP
at least when you use rage on an overcapped IP you get AM
undone sun
it's only "wasted" rage if your cds are already recovered, putting into capped IP isn't wasted rage
rapid jewel
if you could use it for an non proc revenge while waiting for other cds, it could. But that is rare.
just spam IP and SB and you are usually doing fine.
azure grove
Alright, thanks guys 👌
rapid jewel
If you dont want to stress higher keys do bigger pulls in lower keys, to check if you can up your HPS that way
azure grove
I'm sure that will work, my CDs are up most of the time
rapid jewel
also normal solo freehold is a good testing ground, just pull 4-15 packs (depending on gear) and check what is your limit.
warm plinth
There’s also the fact that HPS should not be a metric you care about.
icy garnet
play bdk for fat hps
grand drum
gods the hps was strong in legion
full cloud
umm... new prot war here. vision of perfection procs for 5 seconds of avatar, not 7. am i missing something or did they nerf it?
full cloud
ahhh, perfect, thank you @warm plinth :)
unreal zealot
any other specs play like prot war or war in general? i guess faster and more just where prot tanks well and does dps, not a lot of utility or whatever. a spec that does what it does well tank/dps/heals and all? not a lot of extra stuff. I'm not sure how to say it. fast and strong i guess?
spice ferry
Brew? Off gcd rotational abilities
Kinda give it that fast feel if I’m correct in what you’re asking for
IMO
marble cipher
For conflict and strife, I got to 1605 last week, and got 5 items in chest. Do I need to cap conquest AND win one match this week, or is capping enough from now on?
sick sentinel
you just need cap
sick sentinel
you have to win one aswell otherwise you will get only 1
you need the win to get reward for your rating
marble cipher
I've heard both answers so many time by now.
Some say only conq cap, some say one win 🤔
sick sentinel
well i tried to keep my rating above 1.8k for rewards it could give and im sure you need one win above that rating to get the reward guessing it should be the same for essences
getting one win shouldnt hurt
marble cipher
getting that win might push me below 1.6k though
fathom dragon
HELLO all, do u know how many haste cap% or score do i have for war prot
undone sun
no cap
mental scarab
Higest ivl
honest plinth
ok.i got it. vision major cns minor are mandatory. sphere or aegis for 2nd minor?
i have 1400 haste right now
sick sentinel
That's about right
honest plinth
seems like aegis is more popular for 2nd minor
sick sentinel
On teeming weeks sure
Generally sphere should be better
What's more popular doesn't mean it's also the better one
sick sentinel
aegis is good in freehold or TD if you are doing the big pulls and keep decent amount of stacks in pulls
also in WM
but in dungeons like KR i would go for sphere or null depending on magic damage taken aswell
or lucid its also a decent choice
sick sentinel
in what world would you take null on kr
stoic pilot
Yeah there’s only a handful of magic dmg there tbh and being able to skip Zul now it’s even less warranted
brittle owl
i don't think there's a single pack without any kind of magic dmg in KR
ok, theres the collosi at the beginning
and the archer one with the 2 raptors
that's it, every other pack has magic dmg in one way or the other
oblique garnet
most of krs magic damage is avoidable
brittle owl
that is true
honest plinth
so i will farm some honor for sphere 😄
oblique garnet
speed
sick sentinel
you get 330 speed along with your 330 haste
which at 0 speed it gets you to 10%
if you have 330 speed already it gets you to like 15%
and I'll let you know
slowing the mobs by 30% AND getting 10% speed?
that's pretty good
it's a prime speed difference so you can be in clapping distance and getting melee'd by only 1 mob ( so not losing that much dps) is pretty good
stoic pilot
I haven’t used sphere much but you make me want to try it more
sick sentinel
I used it because I had 1000 haste
and I honestly did not have enough sb
but I still use it because it's just better than the other options in my opinion
strong forum
isnt sphere r3 the 30k honor shit?
cyan oar
Hey ppl i believe i read somewhere there was gonna be a price nerf on the mechagon essences. I only have rank1 nullification dynamo, but im almost exalted. Have the price been reduced already, or is it coming in 8.3, or am i just remembering wrong? Thanks for the help
rapid jewel
the offspecs get cheaper if you buy the main spec one, no price reduction announced, it got cheeaper a while ago
sick sentinel
if you buy one the other becomes cheaper
it's just like 2-3 hours of spare part farm and you're set anyway
rapid jewel
when its raining in the junkyard, its an easy farm spot
analog swift
I think there was an oscillator nerf at some point
but it's 4/10/20 i'm pretty sure and off specs it's like 8 at rank 3
strong forum
4 7 15
dreamy trench
I read on a discord that you can swim out in the open water on behemoth with the tank debuff and not get eaten, is this true?
I always wait for it to be 2sec left and then swim
sick sentinel
you can swim and be fine
dreamy trench
I mean the bio tank debuff
rapid jewel
yeah it doesnt attrac fishes, just swin away
strong forum
the tank debuff does not attract fish
distant crystal
you also can't get the puffer debuff if you have the tank debuff
my rogue died to that a few times 😮
sick sentinel
...
distant crystal
even if i open with tricks from stealth the boss gives me a lovetap 😮
distant crystal
exotic spoke
So, and I haven’t tested this, but apparently on third boss in TD we can spell reflect the barrel explosions back to her
tame garden
sweet summit
sick sentinel
waht
exotic spoke
Allegedly we can reflect the barrel explosions
sweet summit
we can only SR the fuseligher or whatever its called, the dot. afaik
exotic spoke
That was my understanding
But I’m having someone i trust say we can reflect the actual explosions
warm plinth
I'm bored so I'm gonna go test it right now.
sweet summit
would be amazing if you could, but i highly boubt it
warm plinth
Eh, then again, there's precedent
Look at chaotic energies in Legion
Or Curator's arcane puddles
exotic spoke
Or the cyclone strike in tos
warm plinth
Yeah
exotic spoke
I haven’t had time to test it but it’s not even listed in the spreadsheet so I brought it up to see if anyone one knew for sure
outer dew
@warm plinth take me. My psoer out because of fires
warm plinth
@exotic spoke Does not seem to be correct. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9abL67ZTPq1g4ncQ/#fight=last&type=auras&pins=0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24damage%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24193055484.0.0.Warrior%24false%24256710^0%24Separate%24%23DF5353%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24193055484.0.0.Warrior%24false%2423920&source=1
Made sure I was facing her and the barrel for each reflect, just in case that was a challenge. I have it recorded too.
exotic spoke
Aight. I will tell him he’s a liar
Thanks for testing
exotic spoke
lol
warm plinth
❤
daring marlin
yuck
ionic fern
distant crystal
the most important thing to reflect in there is the cannons anyway
distant crystal
rogues are the enemy
analog zinc
would y'all run rank 1 vision major or rank 3 crucible major for keys
exotic spoke
vision imo
cinder fjord
For mythic Ashvane is Crucible Major, Memory minor, and Nullification minor the way to go?
cinder fjord
Ahh is memory just not really that good at mythic?
cinder fjord
Gotcha, so Vop is better for damage if we're on Ashvane
strong forum
in general
cinder fjord
Also, do y'all you normally take 2 or 3 bashes
strong forum
2 or 3 tank
cinder fjord
2 tanking
oblique garnet
CnS minor vs VoP minor in ST depends alot on your traits
With 3x BoM vop is ahead of rank 3 CnS
cinder fjord
We just started Thurs on her since CR just opened up
We're running 2/3/15 but it looks doable
Gotcha gotcha
signal dragon
Is there for the Warrior an fix Stat where u should go for ? Example :
caps like ... 25% Crit / 30% Mastery etc. ?
undone sun
nope
distant crystal
get as much stats as you can
signal dragon
looking like this now @435.31gs
just tell me if there are any issues in my build 😄
sweet summit
button is not that great, get 445 azerite
strong forum
You're missing about 15ilvl, that's about it
vale kestrel
What’s the addon that allows you to see ilvl in these screenshots?
terse wedge
B I G R E D B U T T O N
vale kestrel
That’s trinket bruh
signal dragon
yap its deja's...
Best trinket i could get so far... since ashvane is a bitch and wont give me the trinket 6 weeks with bonus roll...^^
i had the howling trinket from TolDagor but only in gs410... So GS would be more worth it... And the almost 100 STR more was defenitly worth it i think.
Im not pretty luckful when it comes to drop the things i need. Im raiding the second week mythic now. And i didnt even dropped any Items that i would need. doesnt matter if this are Azerite pieces or Trinkets lol...
sick sentinel
The same as 8.2
void berry
Someone knows where you can check the damages done by your reflected spells ?
undone sun
logs
distant crystal
there's a weakaura
undone sun
damage taken from enemy casted the reflected ability to the same enemy
shows the damage?
distant crystal
if you mean in logs, i think you can see it in enemy dmg taken in details
fickle hawk
tips to survive the stomp from the hulk on orgozoa ? O.o
hc*
had 7 stacks of the buff and ignore pain at full still oneshot O.o
Im super new with tanking btw
zealous shell
Don't people have to stack up to divide the damage?
spice ferry
we always soak it with immunities
void berry
Either immune or a monk.
In damage taken by the boss in the logs I only see the friendlies, not her own @undone sun
undone sun
link
void berry
Our logs for all wipes
It's totally possible I didn't manage a single reflect all night, but that's what I'd like to figure out.
I'll need to check someone who did reflect.
sick sentinel
somebody is telling me that neck levels make vop proc more
undone sun
doesn't look like missiles is getting reflected, but jolt is
void berry
I know for sure I reflected missiles, but even that I can't find.
undone sun
actually, both give arcane vulnerability but it's considered a deflect so damage isn't hitting hte boss
undone sun
she's getting affected by arcane vuln, so abilities are getting reflected
void berry
Ok, that's smth.
slate pilot
Is VoP major, CoS & Null dynamo minor best for M+ overall DMG?
warm plinth
afaik that's not true
oblique garnet
its not
potent anvil
@slate pilot I think if your primary focus is maximizing trash damage, then it's probably VoP major, sphere and CoS/Aegis minor. Null is good damage, but most of the time it's not popping when you want it or not enough magic dmg to make it worthwhile.
slate pilot
Thanks!
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet Thats just showing off
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke ?
exotic spoke
your balance checking shortly after I did 😛
exotic spoke
yeah, though a bunch of mine havent been added.
and I cant do raids horde side really.
oblique garnet
Same 8)
exotic spoke
You can do more keys than alliance side NA though
sick sentinel
Riki just mad because he broke
exotic spoke
lol
somber juniper
anyone rolling conflict major in high keys, if so how does it feel ?
sick sentinel
i tried it just for high versa you get sometimes
the root mostly doesnt work because if adds are slowed above %30 it doesnt work
stoic pilot
I liked it but it really scuffed early pulls on some packs
And if you don’t root it’s not worth since you don’t get the vers increase frequently enough (imo)
So if you run conflict major just check your group comp and make sure you’re not running sphere minor.
fringe marten
I'm in almost physical pain at this point...how do people advertise a 15 key.. the group is 15~1600 rated.. and they're jaw droppingly bad? I'm not expecting MDI gameplay but ...how..? On one of the easiest weeks possible.
ionic fern
Welcome to WoW.
People around that range think that they know everything usually..but they don't.
And then they just run it down.
brittle owl
as a dps, or sometimes healer, there's a non trivial chance of being accidentally carried until 18/19 keys
stoic pilot
We have a buyer that we've sold KSM to each season, and I can tell you I'd feel pretty bad for any pug picking him up so it could be a situation along those lines
warm blade
Just returning to BFA and Prot, was massively hating my Warrior at the start and got told it improved btu ti still feels clunky and slow. Is this just an ilvl thing or is the class just so different from Legion and WoD to an extent that if you're not vibing the style at lower ilvl it wont feel better in better gear>
sweet summit
Prot warr is by no means clunky and slow imo
Fast and smooth "rotation", easy mitigation
azure grove
Compared to the other tanks, I agree with you @strong forum
warm blade
are the days of weaving revenge and IP gone?
strong forum
Ever since 7.1
warm blade
or is that still viable?
strong forum
Ever since early legion that isn't played anymore
Vengeance weaving was killed with devastator being a thing in legion , and now booming voice overshadowing everything in bfa
warm blade
so save for rage for IP and revenge when its free, booming shout and avatar as much as you can
do you nto feel starved sometimes for rage? im feeling like im always waiting, far less active
ionic fern
Nope, almost never.
BV + SS resets + Avatar all bring in enough rage to pretty much never feel rage starved.
While still maintaining fast playstyle.
strong forum
You have like 2-3 globals total where you may not be able to use smth when are running devastator in pure single target.
But in dungeons with actually pressing your buttons, you feel more like rage capping than anything else
warm blade
so could it be a gear thing for me right now? since im literally just fresh back, shaking off the cobwebs and im 390 ilvl
strong forum
Yes 390 is extremely low
warm blade
i stopped 8.1ish because i just didnt enjoy the class liek i have for last 15 years, came back and made benthic gear
thast where im at, so ill try persevere, cheers team
strong forum
The spec starts to feel really smooth around 1.3k+ haste
warm blade
haste ir primary after str?
strong forum
Yup
stoic pilot
I feel like I'm spamming like crazy so it's definitely pretty fast paced, if I end up randomly having a hiccup in my rotation it's probably because I prioritized something wrong along the way @warm blade
strong forum
Prot war is around 75 cpm
You only use Deva when you have absolutely nothing else to press
warm blade
is IP something we are hording rage for, or is it preemptive?
strong forum
Preemptive
warm blade
like previously iid keep a healthy bubble topped up
strong forum
Just make sure to not rage cap
stoic pilot
Just spend your rage, over capping IP is better than capping rage
Just make sure you prio shield block > ip unless it’s purely magic dmg
If it’s purely magic dmg just use shield block when you want for more dmg off shield slams
ionic fern
You don't happen to have any logs of anything would you ? 70% of your questions would probably be answered then.
warm blade
pop them back to back/both same time and keep on cd or save 1 liek a DH demon spikes
no i dont, soz, nvm guys
thanks for thew advice 🙂
strong forum
Don't save 1
ionic fern
You can still keep on asking - would just have made it easier to answer and analyze. 😄
strong forum
Unless you obv don't take dmg
warm blade
haha ok, yeah cool sorry i just came back, im runnign no mods atm cos i wsnt sure i was staying
shadow wind
For a 20 ML, would it be worth for me to swap my a minor in for null barrier, and t4 talent to never surrender>
after second boss
ionic fern
Do you have the time to do it?
Do you have a warlock to summon you back?
It's not needed but it can help. Especially if you don't have a soaking rotation for 3rd boss.
R3 null atleast helps.
shadow wind
Well, I can set my hearth to right outside the instance
And I get ported back to boss 2 once we kill him
but it'll still cost between 20-30 seconds
sick sentinel
Any tips for spell reflecting third boss on ml?
Im in the boss, spell reflecting 1 secomd before she casts and i never reflect the debuff
Does it just make it so it goes to a different person or actually reflects the damage?
sweet summit
It goes on the 2 closest targets
sick sentinel
Which is why i said "im in the boss"
hallow phoenix
Do you use big wigs
I find it works if I press reflect about 2 or 3 seconds before she casts it
Big wigs seems to confirm success by listing her as a target of the dot
strong forum
It actually reflects, and it's the closest target, tell your dps to btfo.
Null minor is recommended for ML, so is undying gift major
hallow phoenix
Just for 3rd boss?
strong forum
And swapping edict to magic after 2nd boss
hallow phoenix
Undying, that is
hallow phoenix
When do you use undying on 4th boss?
strong forum
I'm not saying it's a must
But all y'all kept asking questions so I couldn't say that vop works just fine
marble cipher
Is 3rd boss still bugged
With the azerite pools one shotting
So that was what was happening
Already wondered why people went splat instantly
hallow phoenix
Mvpg I suggest reflecting a few seconds before the cast then, instead of a second
Seems to never fail for me
ionic fern
^
I do a few seconds before as well.
And have DPS'ers rotate the other debuff with defensives/dispells
hallow phoenix
On high tyrannical should you let two DPS take the debuff if reflect isn't up?
Or do you guys just power through with CDs and externals
ionic fern
Depends what the DPS have available.
IN general you still want one on the tank and 1 on DPS
If the DPS has a CD for it..the healer can dispell the tank.
hallow phoenix
👌 got a 19 ml I'll be trying tomorrow
Highest I've attempted is 17 or 18 so should be fun
marsh ermine
for rage spending. always ignore pain or only when shield slam is on CD?
hallow phoenix
What do you mean
marsh ermine
what do i spend my rage on priority wise
hallow phoenix
Maintain shield block, IP to avoid capping on rage
I try to avoid using IP if I wouldn't have enough leftover rage for SB
strong forum
IP isn't on gcd so you don't have to decide when to use it over another button besides where / when to invest the rage
analog swift
shield slam also doesn't use rage
azure grove
Context?
azure grove
I guess he meant SB
coral marsh
guys how do you deal with the trashpacks before vol'kaal and zancha on +15?
coral marsh
that and the one before that
warm plinth
I don't ever go that way in AD tbh. But the pack that is actually in front of him we just water skip in and suicide out
Since you can't shroud/invis it this week
hard sky
water skip still works?
warm plinth
Yeah, going in it does
strong forum
Deathskip 🙃
warm plinth
But you can't go back out
coral marsh
the thing is i cant manage to pull the mobs away so only i die, they always aggro the rest after i died
strong forum
The void you can't avoid
exotic spoke
Shroud + deathskip
We do the pack before the little bridge but we skip the one right infront of volkal
coral marsh
ye but even if there isnt a void
strong forum
Then your group is just slow
warm plinth
They're not waiting long enough probably
warm plinth
They have to make sure the mobs are out of aggro range before they run through or they will get in combat
Alternatively like Nome said they might be waiting too long so the mobs are on the way back by the time they try to go through
coral marsh
how far can i lure so the healer can still rez me?
warm plinth
You can go as far as you want
There's not even a spot in that area that's 100 yards away from where the healer will be I don't think
coral marsh
and the trashpack before zancha? how do you pull the emissary so you can kick the first curse?
warm plinth
Well, you can either spam CC the tides if you have poly/roots/whatever
exotic spoke
Zabcha is priestess right?
coral marsh
third boss underrot
warm plinth
He's talking about Sporecaller
Or you can do my fancy pull. You pull the pack up on to the little hill to the right, have a DPS stand higher on the hill and taunt the tides. Tank taunts tides back after it's up the hill from them. And then you can free-interrupt. Still a good idea to focus the tides though if you take too long because if it's still alive when the totems go out it can get awkward.
exotic spoke
Oh, sporecaller in UR. You used to be able to split that pack by taunting the right most mob. But when we tried it last night we couldn’t
You have a couple options. One is to root / cc the emissary
The second is that there’s a little hill on the right side as you face sporecaller and a little divet right before that.
You can tank them in such a way so that the emissary is slightly above the other mobs and due to z-axis her effect doesn’t hit them even though she’s next to them. Then you can just kick the casts.
Third is to have dps just taunt
coral marsh
a dh once taunted the emis to the left and pulled the worm and void
exotic spoke
Personally I’d rather a dps taunt than the healer
warm plinth
😄
hallow phoenix
Eh leaves the DPS free to interrupt and do their job
exotic spoke
I don’t really like a healer tanking. But that’s just me. A dps is replaceable
coral marsh
so one poly would be enough or why do you say spam cc?
exotic spoke
Only lasts like 8 seconds
hallow phoenix
Tides can only be CCed for max 8 seconds per cc
warm plinth
So this is a picture for what I was talking about; had to find it. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527348026650656780/630620333778665482/unknown.png
exotic spoke
Yeah that’s where o was talking about too
warm plinth
Tank is on black X, DPS with taunt is on blue X. Tank pulls to the black X, DPS taunts, tides easily ends up on the top of the hill
Tank can taunt tides right back and now you can interrupt both defilers
exotic spoke
Didn’t need a dps to taunt. I was able to position it there
warm plinth
You can but I found doing it with a DPS to be more consistent
warm plinth
Sometimes the defilers don't like to cooperate and they'll just randomly move and fuck you over lol
exotic spoke
Maybe I wanna get fucked. Ever think of that. Ghash
hallow phoenix
Mobs randomly moving angers me so much
warm plinth
I mean, to each their own 😂
hallow phoenix
Or last boss in KR when he on his raptor 
exotic spoke
Did TD20 last night. Got to last boss really cleanly - 1 death up to that point and it was on first boss when the spriest didn’t have anything for upheaval. Had like 5:30 left on timer
Wiped 3 fucking times because of shit rng until we changed positioning.
Feelsbadman
warm plinth
Are you trying to tell me you don't like doubles?!
tame garden
coral marsh
and what about the trashpack after the second boss of kings rest? the one when you go upstairs and then there are the roaming berserkers, do you just shroud invis them always?
exotic spoke
Not only was it doubled ghash. But there where times the deadeye happened at the same point
warm plinth
Yeah we had some weird fucking overlaps the other day too
At one point I had to stand in this itty bitty tiny corner so I could dance the deadeye while our hunter had explosive on him
exotic spoke
We burn them Adrenalin. I cry and dwarf. The casters need to be locked down
coral marsh
do you go behind the corner trying to los or just stand there and pull the berserker eventually?
warm plinth
Like every fucking time it was a double, but fortunately only an 18 so we still killed him lol
warm plinth
Yeah same
coral marsh
i always get destroyed there tho 😦
warm plinth
What's your comp?
exotic spoke
Yup.
coral marsh
my comb is pug
exotic spoke
I’m rotating cooldowns
warm plinth
Oh
exotic spoke
I dwarf off the bleed as soon as it gets to two stacks
hallow phoenix
Are you getting a lot of bleed stacks
warm plinth
I was gonna say if you have a pet class you can just have their pet eat the bleeds
hallow phoenix
A competent DH can immune the bleeds
coral marsh
im human, i always tried to los corner but that just creates a big mess
brittle owl
a good dh*
coral marsh
why would shoruding it be bad?
warm plinth
But it doesn't always line up properly
brittle owl
its such a scummy ability
hallow phoenix
Ghash just stun after the leap they do
exotic spoke
It’s rng but it’s potentially possible
brittle owl
just being competent doesnt cut it
hallow phoenix
When stun ends they bleed
exotic spoke
They don’t always do it on leap
hallow phoenix
I've yet to see the timing not work 👀
warm plinth
Yeah they don't always do it. I've had them wait 4-5 seconds after leap to do it. I do have a WA for the CD of it, but even then it's not perfect
But we play with a hunter most of the time so worst case the pet gets it instead of me dodging it
brittle owl
it depends how their queue works with the leap and the bleed
sometimes they conflict and thr timer is thrown off
hallow phoenix
Other then that, yeah just bring a pet class
coral marsh
thanks guys
warm plinth
Just make sure the pet is on the berserker, and you're not within about 10 yards
Otherwise he'll still do it on you because you're highest on threat
exotic spoke
Spell queuing is great
strong forum
It's so much fun
strong forum
I always scream in excitement when I do smth preemptively and then it doesn't happen
So fun
brittle owl
i am so glad to be benched for zaq bcs of this
strong forum
I'm so glad to have quit raiding this tier
brittle owl
oof
brittle owl
yayna was retarded wdym, bcs sPeLl QuEuE
strong forum
Fucking kill me