protection

[near ivy]

edicts/urchin are good defensive options

[warm plinth]

Our two best tank trinkets come from the raid

[vale kestrel]

i have a 440 razdunk big red button

compendium of sundering

400 rezan's eye

[warm plinth]

Button isn't great but it could be worse

[vale kestrel]

3 75 gore block

[warm plinth]

What ilevel are you?

[vale kestrel]

i'm 416

right now

[warm plinth]

Is that equipped or bag?

[vale kestrel]

equipped

[warm plinth]

I'd use button and rezan's of what you have

[vale kestrel]

cool

thanks

[warm plinth]

Rezan's is actually our best trinket from dungeons

[vale kestrel]

oh no kidding

[warm plinth]

Followed by block but no way I'd use a 375 over a 440

[vale kestrel]

thats atal dazar right?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[near ivy]

AD rezan

[vale kestrel]

ok

[near ivy]

WM block

[vale kestrel]

so i should go for AD and WM grinds

probably lower levels to get used to it

[warm plinth]

If you're not gonna raid, definitely

[vale kestrel]

likely won't raid as a tank

[warm plinth]

How's your shield?

[vale kestrel]

as i heard we're not good?

400 weapon, 400 shield

from WQs :x

[warm plinth]

That's not true at all. We're fine in the raid

[vale kestrel]

because i was fury this whole time

oh really?

i mean if we're decent i might as well learn it

i'm just really bored

my main is a 7/8M dps,

i have an outlaw rogue sitting at 1600io

DH that's mythic ready

so iddin't know what to do

it was either level something to become a healer

or make m yfury warrior into tank so we have m+ tanks

[warm plinth]

I mean you can always DPS in raids if you prefer and just go tank loot spec sometimes

But 400 shield is a decent starting point. Shield and weapon should be priorities for you

And getting 65 neck

[vale kestrel]

yeah i got lucid dreams and crucible of flame atm

64 neck

i need to go figure out where to farm weapons

i'll look thhrough journal

i just reforged my traits

[warm plinth]

I think most dungeons drop some weapon or other iirc

[vale kestrel]

or about to now

[distant crystal]

ml has the best shield

and temple has the best weap

but anything is good really

[warm plinth]

Yeah "best" is not super important in those slots. Higher ilevel will always win regardless of stats.

[vale kestrel]

got it

[distant crystal]

temple is nice cause it drops the best weap a solid shield

[vale kestrel]

whats the "theory" behind

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[distant crystal]

plus you can pump dat fang

[vale kestrel]

what we go for in our other azerite traits

so like azerite gloubles, elemental whirl

shimmering haven

[distant crystal]

3 bom 1 dc

[warm plinth]

Globules is not great

[vale kestrel]

are we looking for damge

[distant crystal]

and some other stuff

oh

[vale kestrel]

or a certain stat

sorry should've clarified

like shimmering haven puts me in a weird spot

where i have to stand in a spot

to get the value

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not something I would go for

[vale kestrel]

elemental whirl might give me a stat that is good for us?

guess it's elemental whirl then over those other two

[distant crystal]

whirl is solid

stat ones are generally best

[warm plinth]

Overwhelming Power and Unstable Flames are the two best ones

[distant crystal]

heed isn't awful

[warm plinth]

Yeah heed is good in M+

[distant crystal]

gutripper is ok

[warm plinth]

Globules is a sim trap though; avoid that one. All 3 stacks have to happen on one mob for it to burst

Which happens way more in sims than in practice

[vale kestrel]

what about incite the pack

vs uhh

callous reprisal

[distant crystal]

itp

[vale kestrel]

ok

[distant crystal]

poor man's bastion

[warm plinth]

Yeah, callous is like...our 2nd worst class trait

[vale kestrel]

haha okay

got it thanks

[warm plinth]

I'd take it over Ruinous Bolt or something

[vale kestrel]

alright so now i have a 435 piece and two 420s

[distant crystal]

i'm actually running ruinous bolt on my bear druid

[vale kestrel]

giving me 3x BoM, 1x IF, and 1x DC

[distant crystal]

it's surprisingly decent

[warm plinth]

😬

[distant crystal]

the alternative was gory

which sux

[hallow phoenix]

I've had RB do big damage before

[warm plinth]

It's not horrible damage-wise. It's just scary in dungeons because it can pull shit

[hallow phoenix]

Over CR

[vale kestrel]

so i think it'll be two more weeks

before i can get a 445 piece

do you guys recommend

shooting for a helm

or err

[warm plinth]

Shoulders are the slot you're most likely to get something decent

[vale kestrel]

gotcha

[hallow phoenix]

What piece is 435

Would upgrade that last

[vale kestrel]

dark pasenger's breastplate

[hallow phoenix]

Do shoulders

[vale kestrel]

i think i got that out of my weekly reward last week

the 4 mythic dungeons

xD

[hallow phoenix]

Radiance has a good helm if you raid

[vale kestrel]

it seems pretty strong - deafening crash, bastion of might, OP and resounding protection

i can definitely get to radiance for sure

[distant crystal]

keep in mind

[vale kestrel]

what trinkets

should i roll for?

[distant crystal]

next week is xrealm mythic raid

you can prob pug first 3

p easy

[warm plinth]

That's actually a really good chest lol

[vale kestrel]

we finally have xrealm mythic now?

fuck yes

[warm plinth]

DC, Bastion, OP, Resounding

[hallow phoenix]

Alliance finally caught up

[distant crystal]

yeah hof closes this week

[warm plinth]

Or IF if you already have a DC

[vale kestrel]

about time man

half my alts

are ready to do M pugs

[distant crystal]

yeah i'm for sure running 5 mythic eps next week

my neckbeard is gonna grow so long

[hallow phoenix]

Only trinkets that are worth rerolling on are urchin and edict

@vale kestrel

That being said I would save your rerolls for mythic loot

[distant crystal]

man my new keybinds feel so wonky

[hallow phoenix]

Radiance helm+shield etc

[distant crystal]

i keep reaching for shift-r to clap

lol

[warm plinth]

What'd you switch it to?

[distant crystal]

1

[hallow phoenix]

Clap is Q

[distant crystal]

q is revenge

[hallow phoenix]

Qlap

[distant crystal]

1 clap

[vale kestrel]

ok thanks

[distant crystal]

shift-r is now heroic throw

feels awk

[fossil nimbus]

Q is shield slam

[vale kestrel]

though i don't think i'm getting into a mythic group

at 415

[warm plinth]

You guys and your binding Q

[vale kestrel]

i guess i could start it and say "7/8M alt" lolol

[hallow phoenix]

I use ESDF to move

[distant crystal]

it's so close lol

i use wasd

[warm plinth]

That's because you're a weirdo

[distant crystal]

with turn unbound

ez

[vale kestrel]

gonna go join a pug M raid

thank you guys

[fossil nimbus]

1qe4r.

[vale kestrel]

for your help i'll be back w/ more questions

[hallow phoenix]

Gl

[vale kestrel]

after raid :p

[distant crystal]

lol glhf

[vale kestrel]

appreciate you guys

[hallow phoenix]

2 is SS, 3 revenge, 4 IP. W is block

I like my bindings

[fossil nimbus]

Are shields limited to +10 wf like weapons?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[warm plinth]

You're the only one that has to like your bindings

So you do you boo

[hallow phoenix]

Tru

[near ivy]

"W is block"

[hallow phoenix]

Bshout is Y

[near ivy]

please tell me thats a typo

[hallow phoenix]

No

Shield block is bound to W

[near ivy]

what do you press to walk foward

[hallow phoenix]

e

[warm plinth]

He uses ESDF to move

[near ivy]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

I bet you have weird bindings too Staratar

Let us judge you

[hallow phoenix]

What's everyone's bshout binding

The real question

[near ivy]

MMO mouse

regular wasd bindings

1-6 shift 1-6 ctrl 1-6

e q g f r

[warm plinth]

F1 is my battle shout binding

[undone sun]

shift r

[outer dew]

hmm

[warm plinth]

ctrl-6 sounds awful

So awkward

[outer dew]

i hate contorl buttons

[undone sun]

yeh

[outer dew]

but maybe

if you have big hangs

[warm plinth]

I have huge hands

You know this 😉

[undone sun]

👀

[near ivy]

👀

[hallow phoenix]

🤔

[warm plinth]

cough

Why do I sense judgment about mine and @outer dew's love

[hallow phoenix]

Only thing we judge here is keybinds

[undone sun]

and UIs

[distant crystal]

and leech

[outer dew]

@warm plinth because we have matching UIs 😍

[quiet crane]

Q E V F shift 6-10 Control 6-10

My keybinds beat that

And R

[near ivy]

6-10 are mouse binds i assume

[quiet crane]

Yeah

Awkward for me to use anything less then 6 on the mouse for me so they don’t get used

[sick sentinel]

Is there any way to use 2 on use trinkets at the same time?

I think I have heard of a way one day

[warm plinth]

You can't use them at the same time because they trigger a short CD on the other trinket when used.

Usually 20 seconds or so

[near ivy]

the only relevant on use trinket that you can use in conjunction with another trinket is azsharas font

because it has a 30 sec duration

same logic technically applies to lurkers but thats a bit outdated now

there are some exceptions to the rule but they are few and far between

[distant crystal]

berserker's juju

[warm plinth]

You're a berserker's juju

[distant crystal]

[teal kelp]

Hey, is phial of the arcane tempest(Radiance of Azshara AoE trinket) any good for prot aoe?

[distant crystal]

it's a bit of a sim trap

it only performs well if you stack it up on ST and then carry it over to aoe

it's actually better on pure st usually

[sick sentinel]

@teal kelp no

[crude pond]

https://youtu.be/S4Z6bM2Pi8Y?t=127

Does anyone know how they pulled the right pack without pulling the tide emissary?

[outer dew]

so

[sick sentinel]

you jsut taunt right add

they aren't linked

[outer dew]

believe they also sapped it

[sick sentinel]

Did they

?

I thought they weren't linked

[outer dew]

that tends to be the way also

that some pulls are done

makes the pull a bit safer

but probably not

[crude pond]

but is it possible without sapping?

[outer dew]

because this guys frames

detect it

[sick sentinel]

Like I said

you tuant right add

taunt*

[crude pond]

last time I taunted the left one and that made the tide pulled

[sick sentinel]

You

[crude pond]

so I thought they were linked

[sick sentinel]

taunt

right one

[crude pond]

yeah I'm just saying

I thought they were linked before

thanks I fully understood

[sick sentinel]

Maybe the left one is linked to the tides?

Individual adds are linked with them

[rancid heron]

can anyone help with a trinket question?

I have a higher ilvl trinket that has mastery as a mainstat, would that be worse than a lower ilvl strength trinket?

[warm plinth]

What are the trinkets

[rancid heron]

https://i.imgur.com/c8aqSqx.png

https://i.imgur.com/3k0kjWc.png https://i.imgur.com/XpfRMxt.png

the 2nd and 3rd are my current ones

is the active on the first worth it?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Don't macro it, but use it during Avatar

[rancid heron]

aight.

replace rezan's eye or sporepods?

[sick sentinel]

spore

spore is gross

[undone sun]

[sick sentinel]

worst thing you can have

legit

[rancid heron]

hahahah it's an emote

[warm plinth]

Yep

You're welcome

😏

[rancid heron]

hahah thanks dudes

[warm plinth]

@crude pond Typically if it's doable (without Ring of Peace anyway), you'll accomplish it by aggroing the farthest mob from the emissary and pulling it directly away from the emissary. So in that case I imagine they had someone aggro the far right mob from the right side. If you taunt/hit the mob close to the tides, you get proximity aggro and the tides comes.

Take the strategy with a grain of salt though since I've never done that before; that's just how other similar separations are done.

[sick sentinel]

You just taunt right one

and it'll work

with most tides that you can do that with

[vale kestrel]

alright

i'm back guys 🙂

which of the guides / resources should i tick through first

i see icy veins and wowhead listed

[undone sun]

IV

[vale kestrel]

ok ty

that's shocking

as a dps i was always told "ignore IV"

[sick sentinel]

Depends on the Class

Lock Icy Veins is fine

[undone sun]

it's a case by case basis

some discord TCs write both, or one or the other

IV is the one written from here

[vale kestrel]

gotcha

[crude pond]

@sick sentinel I just confirmed it; it worked perfectly. Thanks.
but is this tide separable too?

[sick sentinel]

no

[vale kestrel]

sorry and one other question

[sick sentinel]

You have to spam sap/root on it

[vale kestrel]

how do i Sim to figure out what rings i should use

[sick sentinel]

top gear

[vale kestrel]

or what enchants on the rings, etc.

do i just sim ST damage?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[crude pond]

alright haha

[vale kestrel]

oh ok

[warm plinth]

Not all of them are able to be separated; sometimes adds are too close and you get proximity aggro

[crude pond]

yeah I see

[sick sentinel]

Don't think tha'ts how the tides are linked ghash

[warm plinth]

And pretty sure some are actually linked; like that tides you can pull before the mobs even spawn and they still aggro

[sick sentinel]

For instance

atal, when theres a tide in the back before third bos

s

you can pull that without the tides

and those mobs go right through the tides

[warm plinth]

Yeah but that's because the outer mobs are super far away from the tides

[sick sentinel]

the proximity ones still go through tides

[vale kestrel]

so as dps - i'll look at DPS meters --> For tanks, waht are the best things i should be looking at

to see if i 'm doing something wrong

[sick sentinel]

Dps meters and EHPS?

I think it's called

[distant crystal]

blocked attacks

[warm plinth]

% of blocked hits is the important metric

[distant crystal]

%

as a protwar your biggest survivability task is to keep shield block/bolstered last stand uptime

as high as possible

[vale kestrel]

and where would i see that in details

which option is it?

or is that the EHPS

[sick sentinel]

You look at Logs

[distant crystal]

also don't be afraid to use wall and whatnot

[vale kestrel]

hmm

[distant crystal]

anger management reduces your cds but it does nothing when they're off cd

[vale kestrel]

gotcha

what do you guys think about

a 410 ramping amplitude gigvolt engine

since it gives haste?

[distant crystal]

in details

[warm plinth]

Compared to what?

[vale kestrel]

should be good right?

[distant crystal]

damage taken

then click on your bar

[warm plinth]

It's a good trinket but it depends what else you have

[vale kestrel]

440 razdunk and 400 rezan

[distant crystal]

there's an "avoidance" tab at the top

it'll show how many blocks/dodge/parries

and your uptime on last stand/shield wall

[vale kestrel]

ahh

ok i see it

so normally during the dungeon

i can just look at damge done and healing done as my two meters

but after it i can just review overall avoidance

from damage taken

[distant crystal]

yeah

[vale kestrel]

cool thank you

and yeah @warm plinth i was trying to compare the 440 razdunk, 400 rezan and this 410 gigavolt

i know you suggested rezan over the 375 gore block

but wasn't sure how 410 gigavolt fit into the picture

[warm plinth]

Hard to say tbh. It's probably better than Rezan but then you have two on-use which I don't like personally

[vale kestrel]

ah true

good point

[warm plinth]

If it were me I'd probably stay with Rezan+button

[vale kestrel]

kk

ty ty

why does it say

that my fist weapon

is not right

i thought prot

uses one hand

[outer dew]

Only thing that needs to stay with me is @warm plinth

😉

[exotic spoke]

oof

Also

I need more ilvl.. can I please purchase some ilvl

450 equipped isn't high enough

[warm plinth]

❤

[maiden ravine]

I actually like tanking mechagon hm

[vale kestrel]

xD

i just got a 410 titanforged notorious aspirant's insignia

from one of those random chests

193 vers; spells have a chance to grant 931 primary stat for 20 sec

hmmm

[vale kestrel]

icyveins guide says benthic helm

is worth upgrading

is it worth the effort / pearls?

or should i just get one from raid

i have 70 pearls atm

so i can go farm some

[warm plinth]

If you're going to raid and you care about top parsing, then benthic might be important to you. Otherwise it's not.

[vale kestrel]

i think i'm prioritizing mythic+

on this warrior

[warm plinth]

Then don't worry about benthic

[vale kestrel]

kk

wait

[warm plinth]

Higher azerite is too easy to get anyway

[vale kestrel]

gotcha

i guess im confused

as to why it helps parse / do more damage

on an azerite piece

is it becuase of overwhelming power?

[warm plinth]

It doesn't; I mistook it for benthic in general :p

[vale kestrel]

trait?

ah okay

[warm plinth]

If it was like beginning of the tier and you wanted higher azerite, then that's an option, but it costs a ton of pearls to upgrade azerite

The 415>430 jump is 350 pearls if I remember right

[vale kestrel]

wtf

thats awful

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's not worth it

[vale kestrel]

Mythic+: Vision of Perfection Icon Vision of Perfection in your Major slot, Aegis of the Deep Icon Aegis of the Deep and Memory of Lucid Dreams Icon Memory of Lucid Dreams in your Minor slots.

still accurate?

shit so i do have to do lucid dreams

laaaaaame

[sick sentinel]

?

You don't use aegis that much

unless it's teeming

Vision Major, Lucid, CNS, Sphere, Null

all work

[vale kestrel]

oh what

so i don't need to rush aegis

but lucid is still important eh

[sick sentinel]

Like I said

They all work

[sick sentinel]

@crude pond Hey, upp should taunt the mob to the right, as the same time you stånd LOS for the caster in the group..no need for sap or other ccs just taunt

[unborn bloom]

Good Websites to learn tanking

[exotic rapids]

Good day everyone

Again I need some help with trinkets, I just can´t decide besides reading guides.

I am only doing m+

I can choose between
430 Rezan
430 Jes
430 Vial
430 Briny Barnacle
430 Merektas with socket
430Red Button

I personally would go for Rezan and Jes.

What do you think.

Keys between 15 and 18 atm

[brittle owl]

i'd use vial+rezan tbh, especially if you pug

jes is a good inbetweeny pick tho

it gains value if you sync it your dps's cooldowns

[exotic rapids]

Ok. I thought maybe the raw stats from the socket on merektas might be worth it

I ran vial before. Might switch back. Thank you

[hallow phoenix]

Vial + Empowered Proximity is big damage in m+

[grizzled junco]

Arcane Heart worth taking at all or nah?

[compact geyser]

Since we're talking about trinkets I've got urchin(430), butchers block(440), barnacle (455 or 430 with socket) what do I roll with?

[south yarrow]

455 barnacle 😮

[strong forum]

Urchin + block for m+

[compact geyser]

Thats what I been rolling with, cheers.

[lilac seal]

Why are warriors using reckless flurry for prot? (sorry if answered already)

[hallow phoenix]

parsing

Its one of the better azerite traits for pure single target damage

[lilac seal]

What does it influence just melee st hits or does it do anything else?

[sweet summit]

only auto attacks

[lilac seal]

Thanks

[daring marlin]

Holy fuck getting rank 3 dynamo looks amazing

I love it. Thanks, Blizz!

[exotic spoke]

Sup everyone

[outer dew]

How long it takes fo respond to Riki

[exotic spoke]

Why are you soooooo mean

I thought we were friends - cooking friends. Unlike @warm plinth since he’s an uncultured swine

[warm plinth]

When @exotic spoke started thinking of a good burn

[exotic spoke]

I hate you

So much

[warm plinth]

I just love how I posted that image as a reference to Sense's lax video posting and it somehow got turned into a way to meme you

[vale kestrel]

hmm

details seems to not be working for me

at all

it keeps breaking / not recording

i just did a +7 andi wanted to see how i did on blocking

im surprised DBM tells you what to watch out for, i was reading hte dungeon journal for attacks to watch out for xD

[warm plinth]

BigWigs/LittleWigs is better. Especially for dungeons.

[vale kestrel]

interesting

is it tuned for adds or something?

[sick sentinel]

@vale kestrel details is currently broken as far as I know

[vale kestrel]

gotcha thanks

[warm plinth]

It was working for me last night after the mid-day update

LittleWigs is a dungeon-specific plugin for BigWigs. It notifies of dangerous abilities and things like that

[daring marlin]

Big/LittleWigs are nice cuz they’re way less noisy and intrusive than DBM.

[limpid pawn]

for those of you who parsed gold+ on orgozoa

[hot jetty]

Hey protPeople.. someone test war in PTR? is it good for M+ in 8.3?

[limpid pawn]

do you tank the adds only?

me and a prot pally tank the boss, and a DK tanks the adds

but his aoe seems weak, if I try to cleave the adds I pull threat

so i stopped doing that

so i end up just single targetting MOSTLY and lightly cleaving

all other fights im getting like at least 90++ parses but orgazoa im low

even with mid 30k dps on boss

[near ivy]

does it matter?

[limpid pawn]

yes i want oranges to feel good about myself

lol

[near ivy]

ofc tank on adds is gonna get better parses

[strong forum]

just got rank 9 on court

big damgur

[undone sun]

rank 1 or nothing

[daring marlin]

chill ricky bobby

[undone sun]

if you aint first you're last

yeehaw

[strong forum]

NO BENTHICS BTW

FUCK ALL OF YOU

thx

public announcement over

[daring marlin]

poen’s socket doesn’t exist

[broken isle]

Arent prot parses just dmg? Is there a parse for survivability or IP usage or whatever?

[undone sun]

just damage

there are healing parses but they're basically irrelevant

[cinder fern]

Isn't Vim's belt a benthic @strong forum ?

[strong forum]

ssssh

i restored it cuz i had it with a socket

from way back

[undone sun]

👀

[strong forum]

but dont tell anybody

[cinder fern]

Oh okay.

I'll keep quiet.

[strong forum]

thx

[cinder fern]

No DC, how bold :o

[warm plinth]

DC is useless for parsing if you're running Devastator

No damage increase to extend

[cinder fern]

I guess that's fair, it's just such an ingrained habit to always run it.

[strong forum]

ye was 1st time im using parsing azerite

[shadow wind]

Does the sphere of suppression minor have an internal cooldown?

[sick sentinel]

no

[shadow wind]

Nice

[vale kestrel]

hey guys - i just got the mechagon helm from Hardmode

is it okay to stack 2x

DC?

otherwise i would just take bloodsport

in palce of second DC

[exotic spoke]

I mean, it depends on what you’re doing, what your options are, and what you’re going for

[vale kestrel]

M+

[exotic spoke]

I mean, what are you potentially replacing and what’s your goal?

You answered one of the three questions I asked

TLDR it’s not bad - but there are definitely other options.

It depends on a lot though

[vale kestrel]

gotcha

let me play around with it thanks

i'll have 3x BoM, 1x DC, 1x Incite the Pack, 3x OP

the question is

do i take a second DC

or do i take a 1x bloodsport

i'm now leaning towards bloodsport

otherwise i would go back to a 420 helm vs this 430 helm

the 430 helm would just be 1x IF

io mean 420 helm

would just be 1x IF

i'm assuming it's better to stick with higher ilvl

and go for 1x bloodsport

hey sorry one more question

intimidating presence vs impassive visage

i assume impassive visage is more value in that

the number of times you'll be healed

that amount > the amount of damage you're blocking

[warm plinth]

IV is the best inner trait you can have

[vale kestrel]

off the 1min cd

ah okay gotcha

thank you

[vale kestrel]

so

i was simming VOP r1 vs Crucible of flames r2

it says crucble of flames r2 is better

in terms of ST damge

damage*

is VOP still just valued because avatar will be beneficial for your aoe damage

so i should run VOP for dungeons

but for raid probably just go back to crucible of flames until i get like CLF or osmething?

[warm plinth]

Can't use CLF on a tank.

[vale kestrel]

I guess sims also don’t take into account the value of avatar for block / ignore pain

[warm plinth]

Never mind

I was thinking of something else 🙃

[vale kestrel]

Np

[warm plinth]

Sims don't care about survival at all

Just maximizing damage

[vale kestrel]

Right

So I gotta take the essences with a grain of salt

But can use it for other things

[warm plinth]

But mostly dungeons are a huge % AoE

So ST sims aren't really reliable for what's best in a dungeon

[vale kestrel]

The one thing I noticed during a +7 I tried today was

This 440 DH was ripping aggro on some mobs during his burst

Like he goes eye beam, blade dance, meta, eye beam blade dance and focusing iris

That burst is insane

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it is. I main havoc :p

[vale kestrel]

Yeah I had to open up with thunder and revenge

Before other things

So that I could try to hold better

[warm plinth]

But yeah typically in an ST fight (e.g. a lot of raid bosses), you're gonna use Crucible major

[vale kestrel]

Ah gotcha

Yeah I now have a 430 helm from HM mecha, 430 chest from zaquul

And 415 shoulders

So two weeks I’ll@be able to roll for 445 shouldeees

I took a looo though, some don’t have the BoM

[warm plinth]

Any time you're going into a larger pull, you want Thunder clap to be the first thing you press when you get to the mobs. So like you can do Intercept+avatar+shield block>TC at the group of mobs, then demo, then TC, etc.

[vale kestrel]

Would you not avatar before intercept?

And what about applying revenge for dots

Like why not revenge then Tc

[warm plinth]

No reason to; intercept is off the GCD. You can do Intercept/Ava/SB all at the same time

Avatar is the only one of those three that's on the GCD

[vale kestrel]

Ah okay

[warm plinth]

TC is more damage than Revenge, and thus more threat.

[vale kestrel]

Kk

[warm plinth]

Plus if you want to have Shield Block up immediately (you do), you won't have the rage to cast Revenge

Most of your revenges in M+ will be cast with a proc, so they're free

[vale kestrel]

got it

makes sense

[zealous shell]

What essences are people bringing into king's rest? It's kinda kicking the crap out of me this week

[dreamy fulcrum]

what should be the ideal stat% on each stat (+/- ofc) for pushing higher keys as Prot?

higher being 18-22

[warm plinth]

There are no ideal stat %

[near ivy]

that aint really the way you look at stats

[dreamy fulcrum]

elaborate

[near ivy]

#268491842637660160

[warm plinth]

Your highest item level gear is going to be the best in most cases. Equal ilevel gear you want to prioritize haste/crit for M+. Exceptions can be made for sockets on rings or trinkets but generally more stats > "better" stats.

[dreamy fulcrum]

I know that, hence my question - I have some slots on same ilvl/sockets, and wondering which ones should i choose

I mean i have multiple gear pieces for few slots

[warm plinth]

Haste>crit. There are no breakpoints or caps so just prioritize like that on equal ilevel pieces.

If one has a socket, it's probably better generally, since that's an extra 50 stat

[sinful stone]

just did kings rest

and 405 prism is on par with 430 edict

for healing

[cerulean tusk]

Diamond Prism is especially good combined with Edict, as Edict will take damage before Diamond (Letting it stack up meanwhile). Still, I would recommend haste trinkets or other that help your DPS. Now, if you do a bossfight that hammer through Edict like no tomorrow - Diamond's value as a buffer disapairs really fast.

[exotic spoke]

Diamond isnt worth imo

unless you get a super high TF one

[outer dew]

@warm plinth doesnt need to TF, he already has the highest ilvl in my heart

<33

[warm plinth]

❤

[grand spruce]

Got 430 axe from sivaara and a 435 dreams end. Which would be better?

[warm plinth]

The higher ilevel one.

[vestal edge]

hehe

warriors reign true

[outer dew]

Where the mythic parade

Parse

👀

[undone sun]

did someone say mythic parade

[outer dew]

Yea

It's where ya tbag the one dead person

[vestal edge]

haha whats ur mythic zaqul parse

[oblique garnet]

@outer dew Did you get striked in gwix ?

[outer dew]

gwix?

[oblique garnet]

gallywix

[outer dew]

oh

why would

yo uever

play with brazillians

the huehuehue

is worse than the jajaja

[oblique garnet]

im eu

I dont get brazilians

[outer dew]

pfft

yea

i've gotten fucked over

by brazillians

lol

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet different tofu

Check pms

Because @outer dew would never get a strike

[ionic fern]

[exotic spoke]

What

Do you want me to slide into those DMs too mwahi

[ionic fern]

Please no.

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[ionic fern]

This relationship is moving too fast for me if you slide into DM's already.

[exotic spoke]

We’ve spoken like 5 or 6 times at least

I think that qualifies

[ionic fern]

Gheeez..buy me a dinner first atleast.

[exotic spoke]

I mean - come to America and sure

[outer dew]

Yea, I'm wholesome

[ionic fern]

Well, guess that'll be never then.

😂

[exotic spoke]

RIP

Or should I say RIPki

[ionic fern]

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[dark lark]

quick question that the icy-veins guide doesn't answer: ilvl is still > socket? ie 445 belt vs 440 socketed belt?

[crude pond]

Did the z-axis trick of tide emissary get patched?

which makes mobs able to be crowd-controlled when they are on different z-axis with a tide emissary

[ionic fern]

No idea - never used it.
@dark lark depends on the gear piece. On rings it's worth a bit more on armor pieces less.

[terse wedge]

@dark lark I've been told as rule of thumb, socket on Armor Is 5 ilvl And on rings or trinkets around 15 ilvl

[brittle owl]

i'd only value sockets on armor(defensively) on wrists and cloaks

otherwise i'd take ilvl

on rings it's a very easy comparison, just compare total amount of stats

any type of defensive valuation for sockets is feely crafty at best

[ionic fern]

Feelycraft best craft.

[undone sun]

😡

[ionic fern]

AMA.

[undone sun]

More like AMR

[ionic fern]

😂

[outer dew]

Only defense I need is @warm plinth , he protects my heart

😉

[undone sun]

that wont do much against magic damage

ngl

[ionic fern]

^

[outer dew]

It's okay. I'll ignore the pain

[brittle owl]

i dunno if i should give out the greatest sigh in history

or giggle

[twin sorrel]

hey guys - question: for m+ do you think its worth losing 15 ilvls if you're gaining +2 bastion and losing undulating tides? everything else is about the same

[brittle owl]

i wouldn't drop ilvl for any trait

for m+

[twin sorrel]

that

s kinda what i thought

thx for the feedback

[brittle owl]

@ionic fern nice name

good theory

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[brittle owl]

there should be a 'feeling' emote tbh

[ionic fern]

:feeling:

😦

[strong forum]

Can you feel it Mr. Krabs?

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern hi

But are you really feeling it ?

[ionic fern]

Yes

Really-really feeling it.

What happened to the Alliance key @sick sentinel ?

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern

Seren was busy moving

[ionic fern]

11:42 am

Smh

[sick sentinel]

??

[ionic fern]

Oh, tomorrow.

Carry my shaman.

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[undone sun]

redundant statement, all eu are nerds 😏

[ionic fern]

🤓

What are all NA's then?

[undone sun]

dumb nerds

[ionic fern]

Quality.

My experience as shaman in PUG's
1)Apply to key
2)Get accepted
3)Get kicked after they notice i'm enhance

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[undone sun]

nice

[sick sentinel]

To be fair, I've kicked feral druids

[ionic fern]

Ferals i give a chance to..if they know how to play they pump.

Had some decent experiences.

😄

I almost never take warriors tho..since they never seem to do any damage.

[undone sun]

accurate

[strong forum]

When I have warris in groups they always top the meters

And mage does fuckall

Must be because the mage is my RL

[ionic fern]

Literally the opposite for me.
Damage wise warriors are always at the bottom.
DH's/Rogues seem to be most consistent damage wise.
But the disparity between a DH/Rogue who actually uses their whole skillset with Stuns/Interrupts/Dispells etc is freaking huge.

[strong forum]

I don't pug but never get our dhs / rogues in groups

From guild

Warris are always close to 60k overall, my RL mage does like 40k :hahaa:

[ionic fern]

o.o

[strong forum]

Ye he only does 1 key a week and doesn't spec for m+

And is general garbage in m+, died lirk 7 times to rotting bile in UR yesterday

[ionic fern]

I only pug atm so the max damage numbers i see is like 40-45k.

😂

[strong forum]

Yikes

40-45k is big yike as dps

[ionic fern]

Was like that yesterday in the +13 i did.
I was at 38k and the top DPS was 45k. 😂

Good times.

Tho i guess can't expect anything from a +13 pug

[strong forum]

Tru

There you can be surprised if they do actually more than you

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it's always a nice lottery of what you get.

[strong forum]

Did UR 16 with feral frost and boomy yesterday, yes our raiders but fucking topkek inting. Like 20 deaths to biles and almost wipe on 3rd boss cuz 1 upheaval didn't destroy shrooms so I shield wall zoomed through like 10 and died at 2% as he was about to finish his cast thingy

Fucking topkek inting right there

Still timed it tho cuz it's just a 16

[ionic fern]

[oblique garnet]

Just play with good warrior gamers and they top dps 🙂

[ionic fern]

Imagine finding good warrior gamers in a pug.

[sick sentinel]

ON ALLIANCE

All good warriors are either horde or recently transfered to horde

[ionic fern]

Time to transfer.

[strong forum]

All the good m+ people are rolling over to alliance

[ionic fern]

I'll just make a Panda and not choose a faction

[sick sentinel]

@strong forum for a week

And then came back

[strong forum]

Pretty sure naowh zmok lashga sjelle and shit are still alliance

And jay too I think

[brittle owl]

wf factionless ksm when

[ionic fern]

I legit have no idea what you just said.

[brittle owl]

5 pandas

no faction

doing keymaster achiev

[ionic fern]

Lets go.

[brittle owl]

can we get that dude that goes to max level every expac with no faction to boost us

[strong forum]

I so hope they make 9.0 factionless

So I can go back to the good side

[ionic fern]

No, there's gonna be more factions

Tyrande is gonna go away with NE's
Sylvana with Forsaken

We back to WC3

[brittle owl]

that would be wayy too cool tbh

[ionic fern]

Jeah.
Hence they won't do it.
They will instead add another class to make balancing even more impossible.

[ionic fern]

Delete plz.

😂

[oblique garnet]

actually awful to play

[ionic fern]

I believe you.
I have actually gone into keys with Devastator by accident as well wondering what on earth is going on.

[silver sail]

pug rogues are always idiots

i put a -600 io tax on them

and thats about the level they play at

[strong forum]

Almost guaranteed to have a new class coming

If they don't

It'll be fucking retarded tbh

[ionic fern]

Ofc there will be a new one.
Gets people back.

More subs ez money

Meanwhile class balance goes out of the window.

😂

Well..more out of the window.

[strong forum]

Implying it was ever there

Tanks are close af, that's good. That's about all that's balanced

But that's due to blizz patch philosophy, they only do it every other month.
Where instead they should just try out shit on a weekly basis tbhc

That would bring more players to play the game

Patch in buff for a week, if things go crazy nerf it again next week.
Done

Or even quicker ( for progress raiding for example)

It could be so easy

[silver sail]

name one time ever

that warlocks have been bad

I bet you cant

[azure grove]

Ohh yea, had an discussion about the patch problems and even if the patches would be released every 2 weeks it would be an upgrade compared to the actuall bullshit. The game would feel more alive with regular class adjustments.

[hallow phoenix]

@silver sail I tax boomie and resto druid io as well

mostly cause seems every druid i play with is a mongoloid

[brittle owl]

tanks are balanced except brewmasters kek

[hallow phoenix]

Aren't they getting nerfed

[strong forum]

They are, but mostly m+

For raid not much will change

[brittle owl]

ye they'll finally stop selfhealing better than dk's and dh's

the selfhealing is what made them borked this patch

completely borked

[strong forum]

Tru

40k hps passively

But apparently they are bugged

So that'll change heavily next patch

And the loss of urchin and edict will wreck their hps too

[hallow phoenix]

Loss of urchin and edict?

Just get fat titanforges of those trinkets next tier

[brittle owl]

the fact that they can proc celestian fort on healing/absorption trinkets is still retarded

[strong forum]

Idk if people will commit to doing 6/8 hc and mythic every week

Especially mythic

[hallow phoenix]

I still do mythic opulence :(

[silver sail]

@hallow phoenix rdruid gets a 1k io tax

[hallow phoenix]

I like yoh

[silver sail]

ive had 2k druids this season

[hallow phoenix]

You

[silver sail]

not understand how to soothe

would rather try to regrowth heal me against a raging kr caster

than soothe

trhen I die

[hallow phoenix]

Had a 1900 druid in like a 14 UR. Failed at everything and kept pulling packs with his aoe or big fat moonkin body

[ionic fern]

He was big brain:
Don't sooth cause bigger hitting SR.

[strong forum]

4/8 on with 4 piss easy bosses is less of autism than 6/8 with court and orgo relying on actual mechanical play

Mythic atleast

[hallow phoenix]

Mythic ashvane will be easy to farm at least

[strong forum]

Ashvane ye

But not court

[silver sail]

designing fights around multidot is fucking stupid

[strong forum]

Gl finding people grinding old heroic raids too

[silver sail]

btw

[strong forum]

The multidot stuff is literally my guilds issue

We did court with 10 melee yesterday

[silver sail]

lmao

[strong forum]

Cuz roster is big fun boss

[silver sail]

you have 2 shadow priests 2 destro locks?

this boss has an enrage?

[strong forum]

No

[silver sail]

you dont

FUCK

thats how it feels

[strong forum]

We have 0 priests 2 affli

[silver sail]

how can you have specs which are fine st

but then double everyone multi

get em to go destro lmao

[strong forum]

They're autistic :)

One of em trying destro

Atleast

He's still shit but getting better

[silver sail]

our destro lock is doing a smooth 65k there

[strong forum]

But hey our unholy and our outlaw rogue both got 100 parse

On that kill

Our locks are doing 50-55k

At best

:hahaa:

[hasty nova]

good morning skyhold

nomeratur, doing court huh? 10melee feels bad man

we had to shuffle a lot of our dps as well

forced ppl to play alts cuz it was bad

now that we beat court tho, (1time forehead) i am pretty sure our leadership decided to lock it out

[strong forum]

Well we killed court 3 times

[hasty nova]

so we will be doing strickly za'qul and QA

[strong forum]

It's just a struggle of a rekill every week :)

[hasty nova]

ah i hear ya

[strong forum]

So now we extending

[hasty nova]

yall kill zaqul?

[strong forum]

We have killed court 1 month ago

And have 26 pulls on zaq

[hasty nova]

oh wow

[strong forum]

That should tell you how amazing we are

[hasty nova]

yeah it's time to lock it out

[strong forum]

Roster is the biggest fucking boss right now

[hasty nova]

nah man yall are doing great, if you are 6/8M right now you are in top 15%

[strong forum]

We had to pug someone yesterday

[hasty nova]

maybe higher idk the real numbers

[strong forum]

As soon as you are mythic

You are top 1%

[hasty nova]

Roster is simply the problem of every guild

especially for long term players

so many people in "Mythic" guilds burn out

play SUPER HARD CORE for 1 raid then just stop.

hard to find people who know how to balance work, life, wow, and etc

[tight tree]

And how to balance classic and retail.

[ionic fern]

Still level 12 on classic.

[tight tree]

proud 22 warrior. Cba to play it anymore tho

[hasty nova]

I think the main issue is, people treat wow like a game and not like a job or class. "IF" you commit to a raid schedule. It needs to be treated like a job.

[tight tree]

Arena > grinding rank 14

Keys > running MC for zillion times

[hasty nova]

classic is a lot of fun. but so is skyrim. at the end of the day you just gotta decide what you like to do XD

[ionic fern]

Watch TV.

[hasty nova]

i like keys and fresh/new raids

feelycrafter

u change ur name?

i member the picture

maui? is that you

[ionic fern]

Yes.

It's me

Moai.

[hasty nova]

ah nice

[tight tree]

I lost interest of m raiding when grind became too much, azerite being locked to spec (cba reforging every time i need to run m+ or arena), and personal loot becoming mandatory. SO MUCH LOOT WASTED it was unbeleivable.

so now i do heroic, funnel all my best gear to arms pvp spec, and chilling on my alt when there is no keys/pvp going on

not losing any sleep because my tank azerite is 435

it baffles me that 2-3 small changes could do game infinetely more attractive for everyone, and blizzard is too stupid and stubborn to implement them

[hallow phoenix]

I miss master loot so much

:(

[brittle owl]

you mean you don't like this new era of fairness, non toxic looting environments and lack of elitism

kappa

[tight tree]

No, i would like 2 elitisms and 3 toxic environments back, please.

[brittle owl]

that will cost you 2 wow tokens per elitism pack and 3 per toxic addon

preorder now for a 40% discount over a year

[tight tree]

Will i get same but reskinned mount if i order both?

[ionic fern]

If you're alliance you'll get a horse.
If you're horde you'll get to ride on the back of Sylvanases redemption story.

[brittle owl]

if you opt for the digital deluxe edition you get a free manduin body pillow and a christmas card from j allen brack

"You think you want tit, but you don't "

[exotic spoke]

I would gladly pay three tokens to get toxic master loot back

Because personal loot is the devil

[tight tree]

Make it Garona body pillow and we have a deal.

[brittle owl]

you think you do

but you don't

😉

[exotic spoke]

Best I can do for you is a banner bae body pillow

[strong forum]

Personal loot has done me pretty good so far this expac not gonna lie

And I have no experience with master loot since this is my first time raiding since wrath

So I can't compare

[sand egret]

it mostly comes down to the fact that ilvl isn't necessarily king. So you get situations where you're locked into an item where it's an upgrade for someone else and your lower ilvl item is still better

when your system only looks at an ilvl check on your current suite, it's entirely dependent on ilvl being an absolute indicator

also, people like control and taking that away always rubs the wrong way.

[strong forum]

Ye I understand that part

I was just saying that I personally have benefitted from it quite well

From a selfish point of view

(which is the only reason why I raid)

I only do it for the gear, if I could not raid and still have this fucking insane gear that I have, I would.

[sand egret]

in a weird way, that's the same reason I still play (but for M+)

so i feel ya

I got SUPER lucky this season with a 445 weapon in my first cache

[exotic spoke]

Nome, mathematically it has issues for items which have a lower representation in the raid.

Above and beyond that, Ilvl isn’t king for most classes, and the artificial ruleset they have for prohibiting trades feels bad when it’s a huge upgrade for you but not for someone else

I got a 450 coral on our first or second kill of ashvane. I would have loved to give that to one of my dps - but I couldn’t

[sand egret]

trinkets are the best/worst thing for loot.

[strong forum]

Like I said

I'm selfish

[exotic spoke]

Or in bod when an ele shaman came back and got a 420 shield with leech and a socket on his first week while I still had a 400

And he didn’t even have a 1 hander to use yet

[sand egret]

he just wanted to say what I said, with more paragraphs. 🙂

[exotic spoke]

Tbh - I didn’t read

I just liked using master loot as a tool to help thebraid. We geared dps first

And I was fine with that

[sand egret]

but related to this topic, this is why I'm VERY interested/anxious to see what their new "corrupted" (my word) version of TF is going to be

[strong forum]

Well yeah that's how it should go

Will see what it's going to turn out to be

[sand egret]

as this could be another way to address this issue

[strong forum]

Hopefully tf will really be removed

[sand egret]

i hope the idea isn't removed

[strong forum]

I hope there's a good replacement for m+ loot

So it's not pointless if you raid mystic

[exotic spoke]

I don’t mind TF. I think there have been several suggestions that have merits.

I’d be curious to see where they go with it

[sand egret]

I'd like to see a new tier of M+ loot that gives you a Mythic raid-ilvls worth of gear.

[exotic spoke]

I think that would be abusable

[sand egret]

"abuse"

[exotic spoke]

And make gear up too quick

[sand egret]

i fail to see how that is a problem

that's exactly what people are asking for

most of the woes comes from gates (time/grind/actual limits) to being able to gear quick

[exotic spoke]

More from blizzards point of view

[sand egret]

their PoV is their definition of the "end-game"

[exotic spoke]

And being able to get mythic level gear (reliably) withtout going and doing it would make it a lot easier to progress raid

[sand egret]

and they still put a mythic raid as "higher" in that vein

well in contrast, people who mythic raid can just walk into 10-15+'s like nothing

so it already goes one way

no one bats an eye because M+ isn't viewed on the same level as mythic raids are

[exotic spoke]

I mean - 10-15s aren’t anything really

[sand egret]

they are when you have shit gear

[exotic spoke]

Even on new characters.

I started tanking 12s/13s with a 385 shield

On my new warrior - Probablyriki

[sand egret]

and you have a jacked druid healing you

for starters

[exotic spoke]

Horde side