As that's a typical pull or double/chain pull
#protection
hallow phoenix
warm plinth
You can sim for ST and you can sim for multiple targets and use your common sense/best judgment
hallow phoenix
Your azerite traits are fine though
warm plinth
But you want to sim around what your normal methods are
dreamy fulcrum
Well, I always trust numbers a little bit more hence the question
warm plinth
Like don't sim a 6-10 target pull if your average pull is more like 4 mobs
hallow phoenix
With double defensive trinkets locked it pretty much leaves you simming rings and other gear
dreamy fulcrum
There is nothing to invent other than stack haste -> versa, is there?
hallow phoenix
In which case yeah go ahead and go a multi patchwerk sim
Crit is quite good. I'd take it over vers in m+
warm plinth
Haste/vers is what you'd take for raid survivability, not M+ damage. M+ damage is haste/crit all the way.
hallow phoenix
Vers is also good raid dps ghash
warm plinth
But in M+ even if your focus is damage, you can't ignore more stats on most pieces (rings/trinkets being the exception) because you still need survivability to a point.
Especially if your goal is to progress into higher keys
dreamy fulcrum
yee, i dont want to get 1shot by a pack on +17/18
2-3k overall dps is not worth it i guess
since crit only gives just raw damage tbh
warm plinth
Not really
hallow phoenix
Parry
warm plinth
Crit RNG for defensiveness is pretty normalized in M+ due to having a lot of mobs hitting you pretty regularly
warm plinth
You can't count on it to avoid a boss mechanic or something like that but for trash packs, parry does work
Though parrying a Debilitating Backhand always feels good
hallow phoenix
I hate when I parry it and some hero DPS taunts and starts kiting for me
Like bruh i parried it
warm plinth
lolol
I don't even give my tank that option; I main havoc so I always taunt at the end of barrel through and dodge it for them
hallow phoenix
Actually big brain
warm plinth
Unless our tank is playing DH, then he has a pretty high chance of parrying it so I just DPS
hallow phoenix
I can do that once as arms war
warm plinth
lol, yeah
DH is actually pretty great for dodging mechanics in KR
Only thing I can't cheese which I would really like to, is entomb π¦
dreamy fulcrum
Too bad you cant just block it
warm plinth
Tried meta immuning it and it doesn't work; ended up just wasting like 7 seconds of meta XD
hallow phoenix
I need to practice double pulling the entomb bois
Any tips or do we not bother doing that
warm plinth
We always double pull them
dreamy fulcrum
^its all about ppl standing where they are supposed tbh
for me it usually works to just put a marker
and tell them to stack there
warm plinth
Just pull one, have a DPS tag it, and pull the other after the first entomb goes out
That way they aren't happening at the same time
It's not the end of the world if they do but it's awkward when you have to wait for the tomb to close before you can click it again π
hallow phoenix
Party just stands on one side or is there special placement?
warm plinth
They just stand on one side
hallow phoenix
I'll have to try it this week
warm plinth
The constructs entomb them in the tomb closest to the player, so if you just have them all stand on one side next to one tomb, they should all end up in that one
hallow phoenix
That's really helpful thanks. Thought it was random which of the two they go in
warm plinth
Too bad the boss doesn't work that way. I swear my mind plays tricks on me on that fight with the wiggling tombs lol
hallow phoenix
I had a party spawn the mummy last week
Because the mage that got tombed didn't shake at all
warm plinth
Nice
hallow phoenix
Yeah was pretty great
warm plinth
I've only seen that mob once lol. I had no idea that was even a thing
And then we took too long once and it popped out and I was like tf is that XD
hallow phoenix
It scared me tbh
Still don't know what it does cause you can interrupt it
But spoopy nonetheless
warm plinth
It hurts if you don't interrupt it XD
We didn't kick the first cast on the one we spawned and it was trucking. But it was only like a 14 fort or some shit so we still survived
analog swift
undone sun
π
warm plinth
You only need one.
They just have to do it on CD
Or they fall behind and people die
worldly verge
That's probably what happened
my buff was there for like 2 min until my racial dispel was ready
and the rest just mysteriously die
onyx vessel
worldly verge
oh u can reflect that?
or just mitigation
btw if I did a mechagon run on monday, if I do it again today will it count as the first kill of the week
daily reset is tuesday right
for NA
I mean weekly reset*
spice ferry
worldly verge
actually I did it like 1 am on tuesday I think
it's still b4 reset right
there's no pre-req for the rank 2 VoP blueprint drop except for having rank 1 already right
warm plinth
You can check if you're saved to something by doing /raidinfo
It'll show any dungeons/raids you're locked to
worldly verge
oh
warm plinth
And to get rank 2, you just have to have learned rank 1 at the forge and kill King Mechagon again.
warm plinth
Yep that means you're good
warm plinth
If you were locked it would be white and say "expires in x time"
worldly verge
guys, is any food that can heal my char at like 340k hp to full?
besides ones like feast or baked port tado
just casual gameplay
warm plinth
Mage food heals you for 100% of your health no matter what
Darkmoon feasts are 100% as well I believe
But faster than mage food
floral sphinx
450 rezan from cache..pog
worldly verge
ty
waxen cradle
When I sim my rings personally I have lower item level rings such as 435 or so sim as higher dps gains then damn 455 rings that have crit/mastery, and yes I know more stats is more stats but it triggers me a bit
warm plinth
You're like all stam
ionic fern
No u
pallid onyx
whats your ignore pain uptime look like overall in a m+ ?
ionic fern
π€
pallid onyx
like should it be 80%+ ?
pallid onyx
hmm
undone sun
no real requirement
undone sun
SB is more important
ionic fern
IP is just to dump rage to avoid gapping it.
warm plinth
If I can be blunt, if you're asking about Ignore Pain uptime, you're probably playing prot warrior wrong :/
pallid onyx
its all good, im trying to improve so its good to get it out there lol
at least now i know not to tunnel the uptime and use my rage better. thx thx
warm plinth
Yeah, that being said, it'll still be pretty high in most cases.
Just not a number you should worry about; worry about not overcapping rage instead.
pallid onyx
kk cool thanks ghash
ionic fern
The most recent nerf was to UF but that was a while back already.
sullen valve
Daily Reminder Prot warrior is Supported on wowA! If you have any questions or feature requests you can ping me!
upper spoke
I was thinking about running old raids for mogs while I read. Any suggestion? Preferably 1h stuff, shields + plate prot mogs
tight tree
Depends what you like really. Literally every raid have some shields and 1-handers. Open dungeon/raid journal, look for loot in old raids, see what you like.
Brf is classic fire from the ass warrior plate set - overused but pretty cool
tight tree
I like colossal dragonplate from dragon soul, the red one
upper spoke
gnome gear?
tight tree
you cant see shit on gnomes, so wear whatever π
upper spoke
brf = blackrock foundry?
tight tree
yes
upper spoke
i think i got that stuff during wod, at least the normal and maybe heroic stuff
tier gear or certain pieces?
ionic fern
Mogging is a really-really personal preference..you can check out #transmog for some ideas and ask questions there regarding where to get them etc.
tight tree
also very good looking 1hander drops from blackhand on mythic, but it is agility one so not dropping for warriors
had to farm on my dh a while ago
was silly of them to do sword that fits warrior BRF plate perfectly and make it agility
upper spoke
hm how about wotlk naxx
brittle owl
if you're not using the sun eater you're inting
upper spoke
can u remind me how to get there? i did it during wotlk, but that was so long ago
brittle owl
nax has very few cool looking swords and they kinda lock you in the theme
you get ti naxx in dragonblight
you just fly to the necropolis
it's on the right hand side iirc
brittle owl
yep
strong forum
@worldly verge sugar crusted fish feast heals you 20% every second, or just in general really fucking fast
oblique garnet
as a healer you can also drink normal water with it or mage food
worldly verge
having trouble finding the parts for VoP rank 2
especially energy cells for some reason
chilly brook
@ionic fern should I trust my sim with Coral?
strong forum
Just play mechagon and you'll get plenty, alpha
Coral is huge ST
I got inkpod finally yesterday so Im excited to see how it is
Didn't even sim yet
ionic fern
Yes @chilly brook
chilly brook
I just wasn't sure if it was simming properly since it had a warning on it '
chilly brook
Just a yellow exclamation mark saying it might not sim properly
hallow phoenix
it seems to be a new feature on raidbots
i think its trinkets marked as dps-spec get a warning when youre tank
ionic fern
Ah, okay.
chilly brook
Something like that
ionic fern
But jeah - it's implemented correctly.
chilly brook
Old haste enchant sims higher for me xD
hallow phoenix
wut
ionic fern
L i n k
chilly brook
on weapon instead of force multiplier or w/e
ionic fern
Oh.
hallow phoenix
quick nav?
ionic fern
Jeah
chilly brook
yea
hallow phoenix
stop playing with our hearts
chilly brook
xD
ionic fern
I thought you ment rings.
hallow phoenix
thought you meant +40 haste
chilly brook
Oh that too
ionic fern
?
chilly brook
Just kidding
ionic fern
chilly brook
β€
chilly brook
I should see if the weapon off Zaq is a better choice over my 440 cleaver but I doubt it, I hate this weapon so much and I'm not getting a mythic replacement anytime soon
azure grove
I actually start tanking our farmbosses in mythic TEP on my prot (usually im playing BrM), but Im struggling on simple fights like radiance. Mostly in add phase im receiving 125k per meleehit in a few seconds and Im forced to keep up all of my cds for those situations. Im not a newb in tanking with my prot since Im playing prot in M+ too. Anyone got the same problem or an advice for me?
chilly brook
use shield block 4head
chilly brook
he's talking about melee hits though
hallow phoenix
Its like magic melee
chilly brook
wtf....
hallow phoenix
Also tell your healers to heal you
ionic fern
You don't need to save it..the boss itself hits like a wet noodle so there's literally no where else to use them anyways.
chilly brook
my warrior who isn't even 440
brittle owl
the adds are the worst possible mobs to tank as prot
hallow phoenix
I just meant have it up for adds
chilly brook
out sims my BrM
hallow phoenix
BrM trucks with the right setup though
azure grove
Oh wow, I didnt know that. I was wondering why my prot gets spanked compared to my BrM receiving like 0 dmg.
hallow phoenix
call for externals, dont need them anywhere else in the fight
sick sentinel
I thought you knew this
ionic fern
UT
hallow phoenix
press blackout strike more
chilly brook
I mean Null would be the obvious dps boost for nothing
@hallow phoenix I sim at 22k, and it's pretty much what I output
chilly brook
@sick sentinel I had no idea
chilly brook
I do
hallow phoenix
whatchu trinkets
hallow phoenix
i feel like your sim should be higher lol
sick sentinel
force multiplier is a lot better the more stat procs you have
strong forum
You want triple UT I think
chilly brook
Hey man give me a break I missed a lot of the start of this patch because of my job
But I'm also pretty sure a lot of it comes down to my stats
I have a lot of haste for a BrM and haste is ass
hallow phoenix
majority of top parsing brews on sivarra have 2 UT
chilly brook
Meanwhile
strong forum
Ye warri has very good dmg from the class itself
hallow phoenix
actually kind of funny
chilly brook
Then again I have five sockets
strong forum
Doesn't rely as much on external factors
That's why I hate current parsing so much
It's got nothing to do with the class
It's all about external factors
hallow phoenix
Did inkpod crit or not
strong forum
do you have 4 benthics
hallow phoenix
man i need benthics
chilly brook
I had some shithead rando vengeance dh call my prot warrior undergeared in a heroic tonight because I was sub 500k HP
strong forum
do you have CoS pants, do you have X essence
chilly brook
Dude proceeded to barely pull double digit DPS
strong forum
I hate that shit
hallow phoenix
I should farm CoS pants. is mythic CoS still awful
strong forum
It's easier now with essences and ilvl
chilly brook
I was like bruh I might be "undergeared" but at least I'm not outputting Uldir numbers in EP gear
azure grove
@chilly brook depending on the fight im at 27k dps on my BrM
chilly brook
Dude was like "our guilds prot warrior has 640k hp"
strong forum
The few times I did heroic I was top 10 to top 5 dps and other tank barely double digits
It's horrifying
chilly brook
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
hallow phoenix
I see an awful lot of monks running cyclotronic over inkpod + razor coral
strong forum
Cuz they don't have
chilly brook
Of course the raid leader made me go DPS because the dude was complaining that he was going to leave if his butt buddy wasn't his co tank
strong forum
Prolly
unkempt kraken
No cause Cyclo with high enough ilvl is better on certain fights
chilly brook
neither did over 13k in a single target fight and lost aggro to me in arms on aoe
azure grove
Im playing coral + cyclo on my BrM since I havent got luck with inkpod drops
chilly brook
Cyclo is big boi parse tbh
strong forum
Cyclo is better on court, that I can tell
hallow phoenix
Cyclo always sims lower than inkpod + coral for me
is it a kill time thing or what
chilly brook
Especially on something like Ashvane
hallow phoenix
Obviously court favors cyclo over others
unkempt kraken
kill time factors in yes
chilly brook
Kill time has a lot to do with it
longer the kill more stacks
shorter less stacks
unkempt kraken
as the lower the time, the less inkpod stacks
strong forum
Coral + ink is max parse on long fights
brittle owl
if you have odd kill timers cyclo loses value
unkempt kraken
^ ish
brittle owl
but the longer the fight, the more value there is in guaranteeing inkpod crit
hallow phoenix
... would it be worth it to save coral stacks for inkpod
damnit im tired
i mean cyclo
strong forum
Idk
hallow phoenix
fuck youre right
chilly brook
I'm a big fan of this 440 socketed gore I got this week
strong forum
Cuz 450 edict and 450+s urchin
brittle owl
also obviously coral is bis on fights with add phases
hallow phoenix
I bumped up my radiance parse tonight
strong forum
With coral you can make some nutty plays
hallow phoenix
coral is bae there
chilly brook
450 edict is prolly insane
strong forum
I fucked up my parsing, almost always forgot 2nd pot
Coulda gotten like 34k on sivarra
hallow phoenix
I forget to use coral for the inkpod hit every other fight...
strong forum
But ended up at 32.5 or smth
hallow phoenix
really should get a weak aura
hallow phoenix
You're Ithunderclap right?
hallow phoenix
Who is Ithunderclap here
brittle owl
mpvg afaik
hallow phoenix
thats right
i wanna know how some of these dudes are doing 38k on sivarra
I can spike to that around inkpod but then i just fall off down to 33
chilly brook
I mean we can figure that out real quick tbh
hallow phoenix
oh
hallow phoenix
yeah my guild kills it slow
hallow phoenix
oof
strong forum
Or some shit
But yeh, I'm Nomeratur literally everywhere, every Google search is me
hallow phoenix
3:56 for me
Here's a question. My cotank plays druid and monk. On his druid threat is never an issue and I can't rip off him. On his monk I'm always on his ass. Both his monk and bear deal the same DPS and both are 65+ neck
What gives
strong forum
Aggro can be bursty
And Monks dmg is all loaded into less consistent dmg than druid
hallow phoenix
Yeah I rip aggro
strong forum
Monks aggro goes in sinus waves
Druid is a steady line
I would assume
That's prolly why
strong forum
Idk
hallow phoenix
His tanks do equal dps
hallow phoenix
I pump
strong forum
Just throwing shit out there
ionic fern
No idea how druids work tho.
hallow phoenix
They roar and swipe
ionic fern
Do they have any spammable threat modifiers?
Think Thresh was at some point?
Thrash?
What ever the dot was.
hallow phoenix
Mangle?
strong forum
How else would bdk be able to keep aggro with their low dps
hallow phoenix
Fuck if I actually know
hallow phoenix
Does that still increase threat generation
strong forum
Or
Coral belt
Thingy
Maybe he has it on druid but not monk
But you do on warri
hallow phoenix
Oh that's not a bad idea
strong forum
Big brain ama
hallow phoenix
Also I swear cyclotronic doesn't benefit from the tank threat modifier
And only generates threat equal to its damage
I swearsies
strong forum
Ye it doesn't
strong forum
I often lose aggro just using cyclo on pull without taunt throwing cof before cyclo
Or rather did
hallow phoenix
Yeah I noticed I can't start with cyclo on court
strong forum
You can
hallow phoenix
Unless I wanna give DPS a big scare
hallow phoenix
I'll never let those filthy rogues put their buffs on me
chilly brook
@ionic fern I do more DPS than my cotank but if he for example pops cyclotronic at the beginning of the shield break on Ashvane I will lose aggro on my monk
hallow phoenix
I mean it's still a huge burst of damage
ionic fern
Jep.
chilly brook
Right what I'm getting at is bursts of DPS can and will rip threat even if you're doing more damage overall
And monk damage is all loaded into blackout strike and keg smash so it's very possible that's why because the gaps
strong forum
Just a theory
ionic fern
Jeah, it can happen. But if you haven't established aggro yet you'll get ripped regardless.
In your case at the start of the fight the other tank hasn't established threat yet.
strong forum
But yes
chilly brook
Nah it's not the start of the fight Mwahi it's about a minute in
ionic fern
Gimme logs.
chilly brook
It's just the burst damage of his trinket combined with the extra DPS modifier from her shield being broken
ionic fern
We have legit never had the problem in our case with that trinket other than when i use it on pull.
chilly brook
In that short period of time he out threats me but hasn't passed my overall numbers
strong forum
Threat is a thing that's built up based on dmg dealt with modifiers
So if you suddenly burst like 1mil more than your cotank, you will generate ton of aggro
hallow phoenix
Mmm is he ripping while you're doing azerite beams
chilly brook
Nah it's generally not that big of an issue for me I monitor my threat percentage
I'm just giving an example of where it can happen where overall you're doing more but can have a period where someone who's doing less can rip
Here's a log btw
strong forum
I only look at nameplates
To see whomst has aggro
Or which target im about to lose aggro on
chilly brook
In the time period I have more damage
But he just has a huge burst because of Cyclotronic
If you look at the damage as well from a monk it's fairly spikey not very consistent
ionic fern
Am i blind or are there no threat issues? All swaps are via taunt.
chilly brook
Swaps are by taunt, but I've had moments where I've been ripped off because of that
chilly brook
He does have a nasty habit of taunting things that don't need to be
chilly brook
I just realized
Our Sivarra kill has me at 80dps lower than my sim
I don't think it gets any closer pepehands
strong forum
Huge
brittle owl
ye but you could be higher as well π
chilly brook
I mean in heroic I hit 26k on sivarra but that was also a pretty short one
only 2:31
brittle owl
even on longer than that
you could be higher than your sim dps
if you rng crit/parry haste/proc more than the sim mean
chilly brook
ah yea
brittle owl
cuz simc uses standard 95% confidence interval
chilly brook
Either way I take it as a sign that I'm on the right path hitting that close to my sim
Just need to either get better azerite or w/e to push DPS on that stupid class
brittle owl
i'd say if you are 10-20% off your sim it's gucci
chilly brook
I mean 22,580 on sim and hitting 22,500 is pretty good I'd say
brittle owl
yeye, what i meant was even hitting 20k is good
chilly brook
Now I get to slowly lose my mind as we prog on org tomorrow
azure grove
That flying piece of cheese is just boring as tank
ionic fern
Make it interesting.
Don't use block at start..see if you RNG crit block or not.
chilly brook
The biggest problem is either them messing up their spread or pumping too much on adds or not enough on boss
strong forum
Sometimes happens to me cuz opener is like 7 buttons
On orgo
PotTaunt charge avatar coral LS Demo
azure grove
I wish I could be the add tank
strong forum
Same
brittle owl
same
ionic fern
Same.
brittle owl
everyone wants to be the add tank
real kicker is, i should add tank on paladin
but other tank is blood so
azure grove
Even moar as prot
brittle owl
but realistically at this point
terse wedge
We had like brewmaster monk and prot warr
brittle owl
any tank can go on orgo
azure grove
Are you guys standing In the melee camp too or do you got your spots on orgo?
strong forum
I face orgo away
brittle owl
boss tanks don't need "spots"
terse wedge
I mostly prefer standing alone unless there is mechanic that forces me to move
ionic fern
Face Orgo away otherwise the melees are gonna scream at you "TURN THE BOSS HE'S PARRYING"
terse wedge
But still
strong forum
I face the boss so that the hunter pets are on the adds to cleave
terse wedge
I feel like the DPS should be comminng to me when I need it
brittle owl
also his hitbox is huge, whenever you're not actively tanking you can pad on adds as well
brittle owl
if the adds are positioned correctly
strong forum
Technically
terse wedge
That's actually a pretty decent point but
brittle owl
let's not kid ourselves
terse wedge
I guess I am masochist and like trusting people
brittle owl
into thinking raid tanking requires too much brain
terse wedge
And get disappointed
terse wedge
Not even yourself
terse wedge
I was solo tanking shivara or whatever her name is for my guild yesterday
brittle owl
i will assume you're memeing
azure grove
I would like to stand in the melee camp too, so we might end up with more add cleave > more st boss
terse wedge
Why
terse wedge
Am I memeing?
azure grove
Btw who linked his BrM sim dps here?
strong forum
Dps have literally negative mechanics to deal with in EP compared to tanks
brittle owl
wut
brittle owl
the only difference in EP compared to other tiers is positioning being slightly more important
and nonstandard tank swaps
terse wedge
and still fail
brittle owl
that's it
strong forum
Bod was a cakewalk
brittle owl
it's still a snoozefest tanking wise
strong forum
Uldir was a cakewalk
brittle owl
the dangerous bits are still the bits where the raid is in danger in general
brittle owl
orgo and QC are arguably the healer fights
strong forum
Na
brittle owl
with raid execution being important to not die
strong forum
Orgo is more a dps check than anything
brittle owl
i assume you never healed
strong forum
Court is autism check
brittle owl
the healing check is still there, since it's the most healing intensive fight in the raid
brittle owl
overall hps is irrelevant
strong forum
All a matter of spreading debuffs
brittle owl
towards the end of p1 you have a period of like 1 min where you need to do 800k-1mil hps
and yeah, spreading the debuffs is the mechanical check
besides interrupting the witch
on QC handling the deferred is the mechanical check
and conversely the healing check as well
- the heal immune phase
strong forum
Our biggest issue is dps dying to random shit or failing form ranks
And my bear dying to 2nd immune phase almost ways
brittle owl
failing form ranks is the autism check really
have a paladin bop him if he can't handle it
strong forum
We have like 70% of our wipes to form ranks
It's amazing
I'm getting bop on 1st healing immune
He dies on 2nd almost insta
After deferred
brittle owl
is he transitioning with deferred stacks into the heal immune?
that's the only way to get gibbed tbh
and is a major mistake
strong forum
Na he can't
He's still not comfortable enough to call for shit
Mostly im calling for him
brittle owl
welp
strong forum
When he's supposed to get big dick healing
brittle owl
there's your problem with him
strong forum
Or when he's in danger
Thing is
We don't have externals
Besides 1 sac and 1 painsup
And I get bop and painsup for the zealous after 1st deferred
Well not always
brittle owl
you shouldnt need painsup after first deferred if you bop the heal immune
no one else is taking significant damage besides you
strong forum
Na I shieldwall
brittle owl
even so
strong forum
To not die
brittle owl
you dont need a cd
strong forum
Ah I do
brittle owl
just yell at healers to heal you
strong forum
Trust me
brittle owl
theres nothing else going on
strong forum
Ye but they don't get that
They see raid is 10%
And spark is going off
They don't heal me for shit
Usually I have to pop healthstone or heal pot there
brittle owl
welp, sounds like your healing team needs to rethink their cd planning/understanding of the fight
deffered is the major damage portion of the fight
strong forum
I don't use shieldwall anywhere else so I'm fine
brittle owl
during the heal immunes the tanks are the only ones in danger
strong forum
We pop all CDs during deferred
brittle owl
raid should be topped off before the transition
strong forum
Not even remotely
After transition raid is below 50%
Then spark pops
And everyone is 20%
strong forum
I'm not dying so it's literally whatever
clever crater
I play exclusively prot since level 1, started playing 2 months ago or so.
I'm thinking of trying a dps spec for Raids (I hated raids but tanked a few and kinda liked it).
The thing is, I'm very frustrated... My DPS as Fury or Arms is very low at raids (around 20k in both). I do better dps as a tank than a dps... Which spec do you guys think I should try to learn?
ionic fern
1)Fury
2)Go and read the guides in #268491842637660160 and if you have any more question #fury
clever crater
thanks!
lime wing
Is Meticulous Scheming better than Brace for Impact? I've just got Ashvane Warden's Cuirass
brittle owl
lime wing
I mean for survivability. How would I sim myself for that?
The Icy Veins guide doesn's mention this trait
strong forum
Ms is the best trait to get
brittle owl
raw survivability, it's MS
strong forum
Unless your shield is low ilvl
strong forum
If your shield is low ilvl BfI is gonna do you better
lime wing
Understood. Thank you!
coral marsh
how good is the trait last gift from pvp for mythic+?
brittle owl
virtually useless defensively
and its worth ~300 dps on a 445 piece
so pretty much trash
coral marsh
but it gives a big mastery proc and we take bastion of might for mastery as well?
strong forum
We take it for the consistency
brittle owl
^
strong forum
It's not the fact alone that it's mastery
But how often its available and how its with our dmg CD
It's not rng
brittle owl
also all pvp traits have shit ppm outside of pvp
strong forum
That too
coral marsh
i use the precision one on my helmet, gives a bit of dps i guess
coral marsh
ye i have no choice for that slot anyways, but i wasn't sure with last gift or bastion + fortress
thanks
brittle owl
bastion+fortress alll the way
strong forum
BoM + if is a solid choice
coral marsh
i guessed so, but there isn't any documentation for the pvp stuff anywhere really thats why i wanted to make sure, thanks
strong forum
Ye cuz it's really not worth mentioning
And chances are highly likely you don't get 445 pvp pieces
brittle owl
that's more of a general population thing
strong forum
Cuz not many play pvp, let alone 2.4k
brittle owl
but maybe he's glad π€·
strong forum
Or was it onl 2.1k
deft gazelle
hey new to discord, i was pushing 20keys last season with no real clue on what traits i should actually be using what traits are best for warrior for m+?
warm plinth
Bastion of Might x3, Deafening Crash x1, and two others. Brace for Impact, Iron Fortress, Swirling Sands, Meticulous Scheming are all good options (there are others; those are just the ones I thought of off the top of my head)
deft gazelle
ah okay last season i went with 3x bastion of might, deafening crashx1 and 2 callous reprisal that still okay
deft gazelle
ah okay thanks so should i take brace impact, and iron fortress over it + the others
distant crystal
ye
deft gazelle
thanks, and what essences?
sick sentinel
Is a bastion of might trait worth getting rid of 10 ilvls and my only DC trait? Iβm guessing not right?
deft gazelle
even if its only rank 1 vision?
sweet summit
probably not, what can you take instead?
deft gazelle
atm anima r3 VoP is r2 actually, then MLD CoF
worldly verge
how do u get energy cells on mechagon?
I can't see the quest to help build the charging station
warm plinth
It's not available every day I don't think
worldly verge
yesterday I converted the 5 energy cells prepared to craft VoP r2 into a galvanic oscillator
then today I discovered the wq gives one
warm plinth
The WQ always gives an oscillator
worldly verge
now I have 3 of them and no energy cells and I'm stuck π¦
warm plinth
Oh, so you don't have the materials for VoP R2?
warm plinth
Yep
worldly verge
hope the charging station is up for me tomorrow
I regret using the cells to craft the oscillator so much now
or I could've been done with r2
warm plinth
Yeah I wouldn't bother crafting oscillators unless you get to exalted and are short on them for the essences. Most likely it's spare parts you're going to be short on though.
Well, spare crates
worldly verge
at least spares are ez to farm
I still need 1 energy cell to activate the charging station even if it comes up
btw I see people saying u can fish for them>
warm plinth
Wouldn't surprise me. But I've never done so.
sinful stone
is edict better than diamond prism?
distant crystal
at the same ilvl no
hallow phoenix
One of my guildies got a 425 diamond and it seems better than my 435 edict tbh
Just by nature of diamond scaling with haste is huge
languid smelt
Can anyone confirm if the tanknotes website is dead or just down? Just resubbed and wanted to read up on the raids from 8.1 forward.
languid smelt
hallow phoenix
Open a private tab and try again
languid smelt
Same in a Private Tab. Going to dust off explorer and try that.
hallow phoenix
If a different browser works, clearing your Firefox cache might do the trick
If it doesn't, I would suspect a VPN or firewall bring the problem but I'm not an IT guy
languid smelt
Same issue with Explorer. I will try it later on from home. I know we had some firewall changes at the office. Thanks
tanknotes.com bypassed the firewall. Thanks again
sullen valve
Daily Reminder Prot warrior is Supported on wowA! If you have any questions or feature requests you can ping me!
sullen valve
wowA doesn't teach you how to parse necessarily. Since most parses are cheesy. WowA trys to help you learn how to improve/gives you fun statistics
hallow phoenix
I was being cheeky
hallow phoenix
One thing I do wonder about is the stat of a useless shield block. It seems to understand that shield block is ok to use even if not blocking, so long as you get off enough shield slams
Is there a magic number of shield slams that make it consider a shield block not wasted (when not actively tanking)
undone sun
greater than 0
sullen valve
it depends on talents
if you take devastator then you need 2 or more shield slams for it to be a good shield block
if you don't take devastator then you need 1 or more shield slams for it to be a good shield block
As a not prot main i had to go get the talent's name which changes the threshold xD
Thats why it took so long
hallow phoenix
Ok, so it depends on devastator procs
sullen valve
π€
It just depends on if you have the talent or not for the thresholds
and if you can hit them is procs π
hallow phoenix
I always take it in raids
sullen valve
@ionic fern told me it was a populator talent
hallow phoenix
Mwahi is a good person
sullen valve
I need a doubt emote
hallow phoenix
Thanks abelito
sullen valve
π
Just remember
If you have any questions or any feature requests feel free to ping/dm me
hallow phoenix
Hi
sullen valve
Me at the school of prot warrior taught by Mwahi 
ionic fern
You won't be a good prot warr if i'm the teacher.π
undone sun
π€£
ionic fern
Yes. π
sullen valve
Yajinni kept me in check on the coding side
and shrike kept you in line on the prot side
π’ i miss that group
ionic fern
No, now we're free.
π
YOu're free of Yajinni so you can code w/e and i'm free of Shrike so i can do random stuff.
ivory barn
that moment when you cant decide what spec of War to play, because you have gear for all 3 specs....
strong forum
arms > prot >>>>>>> fury
hallow phoenix
Arms is mongo fun
oblique garnet
Vop minor sims higher than sphere and cns 
distant crystal
maybe i should go peep the current guides and see how it is these days
strong forum
arms with lucid major + razor coral is some serious big brain plays
ivory barn
is that sarcasm or no?
warm plinth
Yeah I would agree with that as well, though I don't have a huge amount of experience in either of them. I leveled as fury and did 3v3 as arms. Definitely a bigger learning curve with arms.
strong forum
its hard to get used to the fact that like 40% of your dmg is backloaded into execute
with 3x tom
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
unluck π
warm plinth
See these DPS posting overalls of like 70k and shit and I'm like proud when I do over 40k. FeelsBadMan
As a DH, not as prot
#on-topic
strong forum
ye idk either how to pump overall in keys as dps
warm plinth
I'm actually starting to be really comfortable on warrior again though. Still got some work to do to improve but it feels good.
I have a WA that has big red letters and bounces and says not to use shield block when I have Last Stand up and my dumbass still uses Shield Block at least once in every damn Last Stand.
warm plinth
Is that the block tracker in the guides channel?
warm plinth
Might have to try that one; I need to redo my WAs anyway. I made a little suite for myself and I hate it π
@oblique garnet hates it too
strong forum
late hates mine too
well not hate
but doesnt like it
although i think mine is close to perfection
warm plinth
You have a screenshot?
crude pond
Does this mean I can just walk by the void emissary without getting in combat, after we clear the raptor adds?
warm plinth
Yeah so that's approximately what I like mine to look like but I decided to go with a vertical setup, and it's not working for me
oblique garnet
You have fixed your ui Nome
strong forum
what do you mean
its been like that for entirety of bfa
@crude pond i would assume so
if you hug the wall or some shit
cant really tell where the void is in that picture
crude pond
It's standing at one side of the entrance to the bridge
warm plinth
I don't think it's saying you can walk past it. If it's the one I think it is, I don't see how you would do that. I'm guessing that when they say "depending on how you're executing the next skip", they mean you can death skip past it at that point instead of killing it.
strong forum
probably
you can avoid pulling it together with the pack
then you can savely do skip X afterwards
shroud or some shit
or just deathskip
crude pond
can a rouge use shroud in combat?
strong forum
no
crude pond
nor the invis pot
warm plinth
Well you wouldn't be in combat at that point, because you never aggro the void if you do it the way that MDT describes.
crude pond
so that's what it means, "depending on how you're exucting the next skip"
as Ghash said
warm plinth
Oh, can you? I thought it was dead center for some reason
crude pond
yes it's on the left side
strong forum
its the red dot then
warm plinth
That makes sense then. So pull it via the raptor like the addon says, then walk past to the right
sweet summit
yup
crude pond
not in combat you say
warm plinth
Yeah, there are several voids you can pull the pack near it a certain way and you won't get in combat with the void. A lot of emissaries in general can be avoided that way.
crude pond
so that means we can pass the entire raptor pack by shroud
shroud + stick to the right side
strong forum
technically
but that doesnt sound worth it
cuz if you leave shroud, you'll be 100% not over the bridge but inside one of the next packs
unless you double shroud / speedpot
and then youll need to kill 2 packs either or, atleast
crude pond
we have to kill the 2 packs from the middle of the bridge anyway, since we have to come back after the council
strong forum
typically i kill everything on bridge but the 2 berserkers and the big pack, and we invis pot / deathskip in and out
but i dont push high keys so.
crude pond
doesn't that make way more than 100%?
crude pond
yeah now I see
exotic spoke
Whatβs up
crude pond
hey
exotic spoke
Shrine?
strong forum
kangz
crude pond
KR
exotic spoke
Oh fuck that place
strong forum
im still amazed its not nerfed to the ground
exotic spoke
I think Iβm with Nome though. Pretty much everything but Lst two packs
strong forum
zul, bleeds and frostshock need ATLEAST 30% nerf
idk why they dont do it
and axe boss too
exotic spoke
Zul is Ebola on fortified weeks
warm plinth
Nah just do the pro DH skip I saw yesterday and don't fight Zul at all lul. Very clever idea. Surprised it's possible.
strong forum
axe boss needs duration reduced to like 7sec max, or reducde dmg by 50%
warm plinth
Severed Axe or w/e on 3rd boss just needs to not be like 15 seconds long
warm plinth
Literally unhealable
strong forum
its retarded
and blizz still isnt doing shti about it
it would be such a good dungeon
crude pond
at tyrannical?
strong forum
if it wasnt overtuned AS SHIT
ye
on fort you can kill a 23 3rd boss
but only barely
then zul is a whole nother story
but monks
exist
warm plinth
Yeah it's really not a bad dungeon besides 3rd boss bleed and berserkers. At least Spit gold isn't brokenly OP anymore
And zul** forgot him
lol
warm plinth
Idk I think Underrot gets my vote for best BfA dungeon
warm plinth
Which frankly isn't even a strong vote. Not like Legion where it was actually a hard decision lol
Yeah I like WCM too
warm plinth
WCM is also ridiculously easy to time almost every week, if not every week
strong forum
outside of sanguine necro
warm plinth
That's fair
exotic spoke
I dislike freehold every other week
exotic spoke
Yup
warm plinth
Yeah, FH is not fun on tyr and I'm not even trying 21 Kragg π
Especially if it's tyr Eudora. She can die in a fire
strong forum
1st boss is also a bitch for melee
lemme just 1shot you real quick
with like 1sec reaction time
warm plinth
Yep
exotic spoke
In before βjust Los it bro
warm plinth
How did you guys end up doing that anyway Riki? Just had melee run out for it or?
stoic pilot
I just hope next expansion they make better dungeons overall
stoic pilot
These ones feel so bad in comparison to legion
And they were designed for m+ unlike legions
strong forum
legion was mongo pullfest
warm plinth
Yeah, either that or rogue has to feint every shot in case it hits them or something
strong forum
which i love
stoic pilot
I love huge pulls too
warm plinth
Though on 24 that's probably still a 1-shot
exotic spoke
Sloppily
Very sloppily thatβs how we did it. We also had a DK (instead of a rogue) so that was actually easier
strong forum
fuck rogues
warm plinth
Oh, gotcha
strong forum
they can die in a fire
exotic spoke
Oof
strong forum
havent had a rogue for keys in months
stoic pilot
My wish list for next expansion is more fun dungeons and less reliant on having rogues
strong forum
^
exotic spoke
I like my rogue. He just gots back from Korea too so now the groups back together after 5 weeks off
warm plinth
I mean, tbh the only way that's going to happen is if another spec gets shroud
stoic pilot
Or they remove shroud again
warm plinth
Either that or they make it so you have to kill every single mob in the dungeon to complete forces
stoic pilot
feint / cheat death is still plenty reason to bring a rogue
And they usually have one spec that is nutty damage anyways
stoic pilot
I sure do hope so
exotic spoke
Shroud should be around. Make it share a CD with Ingis pots and take invis pots off of CD with battle pots
stoic pilot
Yes but that still screws some stuff because distract + shroud is innately better than invis pots
warm plinth
How is distract and shroud better than invis? Invis has no proximity concerns