protection

[distant crystal]

they were on point on the 2nd go round tho 🙂

[wary tiger]

is there a list of all the acronyms for our traits?

[distant crystal]

BoM Bastion of Might, DC Deafening Crash

the rest don't matter :p

[wary tiger]

Bfl?

[distant crystal]

brace for impact

[wary tiger]

ah OH that's an I

okay thank you

[distant crystal]

that's actually a really good one for ST dmg and def

[wary tiger]

wracking my damn brain

[distant crystal]

hehe

it's better than outlaw rogues

there's 3 different things called DS

:p

[undone sun]

guardian has two SoTF

[distant crystal]

that's pretty comical lol

they're both talents too right

[undone sun]

yeah

Soul of the Forest, and Survival of the Fittest

[wary tiger]

why not just call them Soul and Survival

[undone sun]

really only survival is worth using, ever.

[wary tiger]

Soul and Survival sounds like a good album too

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant crystal]

i think people use soul for raids/st dps right

for them fat mangles

[undone sun]

u right

[shadow tapir]

The pieces of meme benthis gear are the wrists, belt and boots or gauntlets?

[distant crystal]

boots are prob the worst for prot

[plush tendon]

how should a prot warrior decide which rings to use? I just got a 455 Crit-Mastery (heavy Crit) from my box and Im looking to replace my 445 Haste-Mastery (heavy Mastery) which should i use?

[distant crystal]

wrists belt gloves

[shadow tapir]

thanks Waat! Couldn't remember which one I needed to grab. Can't break 96-97 during these re-clears.

[distant crystal]

i'd use the crits

@plush tendon

[sick sentinel]

more stats

[shadow tapir]

@distant crystal which benthic glove effect? None of these read like a dps increase. I'm guessing increasing dodge OR crits healing?

[distant crystal]

poen's

[shadow tapir]

ohh the frost droplets, awesome

ty again!

[distant crystal]

np

[shadow tapir]

32 gloves later and I got the socketed, fun and rewarding gameplay!

[hallow phoenix]

32 is pretty fast

[cinder fern]

I want to say I've burned through 80 gloves and I still haven't gotten socketed Poen's on my warrior. First try on my monk >:|

[strong forum]

I got the belt with socket within 5 rolls at like day 1

Still not 425 :)

[distant crystal]

i got 3 socket abberation belts before i got a socket conch >:|

[sand relic]

Is rezan gleaming eye good for tanking ? i got it 440 from chest

all i have now is a 430 jes howler and a 414 gore crusted block

which would i replace

these are my current trinkets what do u recommend for m+ tanking https://gyazo.com/7d42a429b604633b4659e57da52b1bb9

[inland mesa]

Rezan and get a new one

[sand relic]

well i need to use 2 thats all i have for now

so which 2

[hallow phoenix]

Rezan + vial or jes

[sand relic]

is vial good ?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[inland mesa]

Vial more damage jes more survive

[sand relic]

are any of them good for fury

my trinkets kinda suck

[hallow phoenix]

Vial isn't bad for fury

Not great tho

You can sim fury

Since they care only about damage

[worldly verge]

whats a good minor essence for prot?

lucid dreams?

[warm plinth]

Lucid Dreams, Sphere of Suppression, Conflict & Strife

[worldly verge]

ty

[hollow sluice]

any suggestion on how to deal with shadow of zul in fortified week?

[oblique garnet]

Run

[hollow sluice]

i feel very squish fighting him on fortified

[near ivy]

rotate defensives / externals, have your dps taunt with big DR's, rotate healing cd's, pray

[exotic spoke]

Run is the correct answer

or make your dps taunt for a few seconds with their personals

just got a 450 haste vers leech cloak. Living the dream boys

[spice ferry]

[exotic spoke]

the dream is selling it to the healers and taking their gold

[stoic pilot]

So question, is not having edict / urchin for high keys a legitimate disadvantage or will a high rezans + butcher block be a fine alternative

High keys meaning 20+

[oblique garnet]

its a disadvantage

but doesnt matter too much

your healer will just do less dps

[stoic pilot]

Unfortunate, but oh well. Thanks!

[ocean acorn]

alright 440 Methraks fang, 440 Raz dunk big red button, or 410 socketed rezans gleaming eye w/ leech

i use 440s right?

[warm plinth]

I'd probably do big red button and rezan's. The socket helps, and merektha's is not ideal to use for warrior since we can't block while channeling it.

[ocean acorn]

double on use probably feels bad

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[ocean acorn]

i finally come back

[oblique garnet]

Do you have anything else

[ocean acorn]

two weeks in a row i get these trinkets

sec

let me take a pic off my trinkets

[oblique garnet]

But yeah rezans and button probably

From those 3

[ocean acorn]

are my trinkets

probably looks dated since i havent really played since 8.2

[oblique garnet]

Yeah rezans and button

[warm plinth]

Dat RAGE doe

Unfortunate selection though 😦

I'd go for a bigger Rezan and a bigger block

[ocean acorn]

ya that was when it current content

oh the button has leech too

[warm plinth]

That makes exactly 0 difference 🙃

[oblique garnet]

^

[ocean acorn]

ok

i remember ppl were all about leech for somereason back

awhile ago

[warm plinth]

It was a meme that unfortunately was not seen as a meme by a lot of people.

[ocean acorn]

whats the minors for essences

i see in the guide there are many suggestions

[warm plinth]

Sphere, Lucid, C&S

Are you referring to M+ or raids mostly?

[ocean acorn]

all content?

more m+

[warm plinth]

For raids you might use Vision minor and something else major, like CoF

[ocean acorn]

i have done like a hand full of +10s but im basically brute forcing it

so for m+ its major sphere?

[onyx vessel]

Cof null and vision

24.7k dps on 1st boss mt was giving me shit for ripping

Git gud scrub

[warm plinth]

No, in M+ it's vision

You asked about minors

[onyx vessel]

Ye

Vision pumps in m+

[ocean acorn]

gotcha

[shadow tapir]

Anyone having success with Font of Power in M+?

[warm plinth]

Half my group uses it including multiple tanks (we have a group of people who play a lot of alts). We just take the few seconds to channel before we pull when it's off CD. That being said, a lot of people don't like it because of the required channel

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth youre bad streamer never reading chat 😪

[warm plinth]

I never have anyone chatting, so I forget it's there :/

Honestly my WA are only showing in combat because I keep meaning to redo them and haven't bothered to change it lol. And my player frame is higher than my target frame because I give zero fucks about my UI in general 😄

[worldly verge]

noob question, how do u get back to mechagon without using a fly route as alliance (I mean, there has to be a fast travel right?)

[warm plinth]

There definitely is not a fast travel for alliance 😦

You have to take the flight path or craft the transporters once you learn the blueprint

[worldly verge]

.

seriously

crap

[warm plinth]

Yeah I thought it was bullshit too

Fortunately I don't really play my alliance toons anymore so it's not particularly inconvenient for me

[onyx vessel]

Wait what how do you get to mech as ally

Easy as fuck for horde

[warm plinth]

You have to either take the flight path or fly there on your mount.

[ionic fern]

I don't care about that.
I do care about SoB alliance vs horde last boss gate tho.

[worldly verge]

dang that just isn't fair

things like this should be equal for alliance and horde

[ionic fern]

STILL tilted that we depleted a +23 SoB by 6s while spending 15s waiting on the damn gate to open.

Time to re-roll horde.

😂

[stoic pilot]

not even just that, first boss is harder (from what i've heard) and the trash leading up to it is harder by far for alliance

[ionic fern]

First boss differences i'm not even sure tbh

But the trash is harder before first boss jeah.

😦

[hallow phoenix]

Aren't there dogs

[brittle owl]

you don't like dags?

[finite gull]

I'm part of the triple BoM and triple Deafening gang

[ionic fern]

Not that good anymore with the nerfs.
You only want 1x DC now.

[finite gull]

awww

[ionic fern]

You'd want 3xBoM, 1xDC and then fill remainings with either MS or IF.

[autumn pendant]

You ruined his beliefs

[finite gull]

MS is meticulous right?

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

[autumn pendant]

How is BFI for m+

[finite gull]

Oh nice. Those are the other traits on my peices with the DC selected

[ionic fern]

@autumn pendant it's decent. 👌

[worldly verge]

how does DC work?

u cast 3 thunder clap and then the next DS is extended by 6s?

[ionic fern]

You cast Demo shout - each Thunder Clap cast will increase the duration of the already cast Demo Shout by 2s up to 6s total.
Meaning that you should aim to cast 3x Thunder Claps to get the maximum (6s) uptime increase on the Demo Shout.

[worldly verge]

ty

so u need to cast thunder clap after u cast demo shout

I thought it was like a buff and u cast b4 to extend the uptime of the next demo shout

[brittle owl]

narp

extends the thing

[worldly verge]

now I get it

stacking DS only increases the damage now right>

[ionic fern]

Stacking DC has always only increased the damage.

[brittle owl]

always worked like that

[ionic fern]

But it's not worth to stack them anymore.

[worldly verge]

oh

[brittle owl]

since the talent nerf

[worldly verge]

ok, thanks alot guys

btw according to wowhead the best weapon, shield and trinket for prot from dugeons all come from atal Dakar

Is that true

[ionic fern]

The best weapon/shield are the ones that are the highest ilvl.

[oblique garnet]

From dungeon loot? yes

[worldly verge]

Ty

Obviously I’m talking about stat-wise when ilvl is same

[azure grove]

Depending on what you want to do. If you want more dps > sim, if you want more survivability go for iLvl

[worldly verge]

Btw what ilvl is required for tanking mechagon?

VoP seems mandatory for prot

[azure grove]

Yes VoP is nuts

There is no required iLvl for mechagon, but 400+ would make it easier

[worldly verge]

Tyvm

[azure grove]

But in the current state you should be able to get like 420 iLvl in 2 days of 120, so i dont see any problems tanking mechagon

[worldly verge]

😶

How

I’ve spent my 2 days on heroics and haven’t got full 385 yet

[ionic fern]

Benthic gear helps a lot.

Also World quests.

[azure grove]

You get 385 gear in nazjatar

Yea benthic is what i meant

[worldly verge]

I only got 3 pieces so far 😦

[azure grove]

You need 5 pearls per item and they are pretty easy to get

[worldly verge]

But 385-400 already takes 20

[ionic fern]

They are fairly easy to collect with WQ's.

And other activities in Nazjatar.

[azure grove]

No need to upgrade. You should be able to tank m0 dungeon and there a a lot of Wqs

Once you've done all m0 dungeons you can start farming low m+ keys or you take your time to get some Ap for the necklace

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern top prots on r.io stack dc

[brittle owl]

top prots on rio usually use what's available to them

[ionic fern]

I don't even know where to begin but let me try.
1)raider.io shows gear you log out with
2)"Top prot warriors" also used Siphoning
3)Depending on how you've used your Residuum there's a chance you don't have all the preferable pieces for m+ yet so you're stuck with the ones you have.
4)Most top m+ players are fotm rerollers who play what is the strongest class wise and experiment around with it.
5)DC stacking JUST PURE THEORETICAL NUMBER WISE can still out DPS things by a TINY margin but in practice other options will pull ahead.

[brittle owl]

6. stop copy pasting shit out of context

context matters

are you doing those keys/what comp do you have/what is the skill level of that comp/is your healer a god or not/do you like cilantro

[undone sun]

👀

[sick sentinel]

femclap has 3 dc, couldve gone with meticulous scheming on shoulders but chose dc even though she already had 2 dc
looks to me to be deliberate and not because thats the gear that was available

[hallow phoenix]

Parsley > cilantro

[brittle owl]

they're completely different 👀

[ionic fern]

Please refer to all the other points i have made then.

If you wanna go triple DC, go ham and enjoy.

Your gametime after all.

[brittle owl]

or uknow

just sim

literally, you have tools to check if it is or isnt a dps increase

why would you copy something you can make a computer figure out if its good or not

[ionic fern]

Simming m+ is kinda hard and unreliable tho.

[brittle owl]

just sim aoe patchwerks

you should know your pulls and pull lengths

[hallow phoenix]

Plenty of top wars run only one DC

[sick sentinel]

tbh sim 1 ,2 ,3 ,5 ,10 targets and do what you want with the results

[brittle owl]

i usually sim 4 8 10 for aoe

[hallow phoenix]

You can sim 12?

I thought it capped at 10

[brittle owl]

mb, typoed

[hallow phoenix]

You had my hopes up

[ionic fern]

You can sim with more enemies as well.

[hallow phoenix]

So this week I've decided to reroll for azerite just to scrap it. Gonna get that soulspun casque this week I can feel it

[ionic fern]

Just download the simulationcraft client.

[hallow phoenix]

Question for you simcraft bois. When i simmed top gear for gems and enchants and chose to sim vers, crit, and haste combinations, I got back full crit as top DPS. I then simmed just haste and crit as options and got back mostly haste with like one crit enchant.

DPS values were similar in both top setups. Is this just sim variance

[brittle owl]

sim variance then

[strong forum]

Fem is an MDI player and their reasoning for 3x DC would be that they do absolutely fucking mongo huge pulls in an speed run setting thats purely based on speed and clear time on a lower key with almost no regard to survivability.
In a normal setting you won't get as much value out of DC, also it could truly just be lack of knowledge about what's considered best, which is what I'm betting on

[brittle owl]

you kinda answered your own question

[hallow phoenix]

Just making sure weird stuff wasn't going on by introducing fewer or more combinations (such as more accurate top gear by having fewer comminations)

[ionic fern]

Jeah, there's always a bit of variance going on in sims.

[brittle owl]

rule of thumb in general is that 2% should be seen as margin of error for humans

this isn't simc specific

[signal wigeon]

hmm, yey or nah ?

[brittle owl]

yay

[autumn pendant]

@ionic fern top rio scores are scuffing visons of people in all different specs

Its lovely

[undone sun]

I've been saying just about that for years 😡

[ionic fern]

"I saw a top park snowboarder do a quadrupple backflip..GUESS WHAT IM GONNA DO NEXT TIME I GO SNOWBOARDING FOR THE FIRST TIME?"

[brittle owl]

hello i have urchin and edict but i get rekt in +10 how do i use shield block

bruh

i'll have you know

that's exactly how you learn to freestyle on the slopes

see shit -> try until you land it

[ionic fern]

Bruh. I'll have you know that you diddn't read my second part of the statement.

[brittle owl]

bruh

[ionic fern]

😂

But jeah - raider.io is a bad place to go looking for advice.

Too many variables.

[brittle owl]

but i see healers using CoF

but my healing is still not enough????

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

how2 CoF healing

is there a macro or smthin

[autumn pendant]

Its the same in fury

They see people running

They think they must run only that 👀

[brittle owl]

+10 AD
"Rdruid outlaw and WW monk only"

[sick sentinel]

+10 UR need rogue... shrouding not even once

[vocal nimbus]

Playing meta is for the weak

[tight tree]

weak peoples with weak words

[blazing condor]

wowhead is down how much does nullification dynamo rank 3 cost?

[rapid trench]

40 crates and 15 oscillators iirc

[blazing condor]

fuck

thanks lol

its too bad when youve been slacking on the rustbolt farm

[sick sentinel]

if you already bought a rank3 one its onl 30 crates 8 osci

[brittle owl]

you can get oscillators easy now, they're craftable

[sick sentinel]

purifying beam is the one for dps i think

[brittle owl]

just need enough energy cells

and spare parts/crates are easy to farm

[abstract geyser]

Are the lingering sporepods any good? Got a 430 one yesterday

[ionic fern]

No.
But if you don't have anything else then you're stuck with it for the time being.

[hallow phoenix]

I stack sporepods in PvP

[abstract geyser]

I just use dps trinkets lol

but interesting to maybe consider for pvp

[hallow phoenix]

I remember arms channel saying it (and I think urchin) were good cause arms has no self heals

Not sure how effective urchin is on a non tank though

In prot PvP I usually run some combination of edict / urchin / cyclo / on-use vers PvP trinket / alch stone

Depending on what PvP I'm doing

[strong forum]

Urchin is pretty decent in pvp

Does like 2k hps or smth

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know how people pug and not lose their sanity

[azure grove]

cyclo + urchin vs coral + urchin for dps in raid?

[exotic spoke]

Best bet would be to sim it for yourself then for single target dps

[sweet summit]

cyclo + coral

[exotic spoke]

But why not both?

^^

[azure grove]

I actually feel a little bit spikey and pref to have at least 1 def trinket

[exotic spoke]

Aight. A trinket won’t really help that, but I get where you’re coming from

[azure grove]

No, but it helps to sustain myself a little bit more, especially on fights like ashvane where we only have 2 healers

[exotic spoke]

I’m impressed at two healing ashvane then. And yeah it does

[azure grove]

We wanted to 2 phase her, so we ended up with replacing all heals except for our hpala and hpriest

And we got her pre-nerfed

[autumn pendant]

You dont need to ask that in multiple channels :P

[eternal sluice]

Where did I ask it, I thought I asked it here lol

AHHH pvp

[sick sentinel]

How's this week so far

@ionic fern

Let's do alliance keys soon

[ionic fern]

When's soon? @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

idk

[warm plinth]

Soon™

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

I missed KSM by 35 seconds yesterday 😄

[strong forum]

Unluck

WM was so fun yesterday, boosting my cotanks new pally, +3 a 13.. Giga comfy

Just fucking mongo pulls left and right

[brittle owl]

i started using speed pots in 10-13 range on main

on cd

😂

[mental scarab]

Always use speed pots goddammit 👀🍆🍆

[strong forum]

Ye

That shits fun

[warm plinth]

I use the scrolls from the turtle in Great Seal

They're ANTI SPEED

[chilly brook]

Timed a 12 yesterday despite never using lust, me being second on DPS charts, a rogue who died almost every boss and carrying a 70k hp brand new 120 🙃

[wraith timber]

wanna carry my brand new warrior too?

😛

[chilly brook]

I don’t do that much damage 😜

[mental scarab]

Almost like my 15 KR last week me and boomie frend we are 1.8k and 1.4k io now found rdruid 2k and his 2 friends monk and DH around 2k score... easy OR not they died in every and i MEAN every pack 😂🙃 but 4 min left on timer after last boss

Brute force is the key

[analog swift]

Last season I did a 13 freehold with 3 casters (boomie mage and lock) topped the damage (teeming fort leel) and still 2 chested it. bring that back plz

[chilly brook]

No because your fun needs to be nerfed

[analog swift]

now i do more damage on my brewmaster 😦

[chilly brook]

I can’t be bothered to play that class

I hate it

Used to love it but it’s just not been the same since they changed it for legion and then they changed it for the worse in BFA

[analog swift]

i've grown to really like it actually

[chilly brook]

It’s nothing like it used to be

[analog swift]

i kinda dreaded it but then watching max from limit and trell and watching their super high level of play

cof makes it fun

funish

[chilly brook]

Crucible?

I hate that ability tbh

[analog swift]

it's nice for downtime

[mental scarab]

Btw whats the dps rotation for brewmaster?

[chilly brook]

I guess, I mean all it does is just replace as tiger palm

[analog swift]

and trying to maxiize brewmaster dps in raid is fun af

yeah

[chilly brook]

@mental scarab push blackout combo and keg smash on cd

[analog swift]

blackout strike

[chilly brook]

Fill with Breath of Fire

Rjw

[analog swift]

yeah it does less damage then KS

but the cd is shortened

expel harm at 3 orbs over tp

[chilly brook]

And if nothing else then tiger palm

[analog swift]

shorter*

[mental scarab]

I see

[chilly brook]

Replace tiger palm with expel harm if greater than 3 orbs

Crucible on tiger palm windows

[analog swift]

yeah it's fairly straight forward

but same with warrior, shield slam on cd, t clap in aoe, revenge if proc

i find it more fun to maximize dps in raids, using shit like transcendence on ashvane to drop barnacles far af

[sick sentinel]

BRM more like BRB

[analog swift]

yeet

[chilly brook]

I’m pretty close to hitting my sim on my BrM

[analog swift]

torpedoing to cut like 3 corals

i've hit above it a few times

[chilly brook]

Problem is I just can’t figure out how to get my sim above 22k

[analog swift]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/dangergreen

[terse wedge]

Hello its me, ya boi Dyraxi

[chilly brook]

Actually I do know

Get neck 65 and socket in bulk

[terse wedge]

this 450 vs 435

[chilly brook]

Null*

[strong forum]

450

[terse wedge]

Aighty

[strong forum]

BfI + blight

[analog swift]

@chilly brook look at dem phatty 99s boi

[chilly brook]

Nice

[terse wedge]

Carapace id assume

[analog swift]

ashvane parse was top 20 at the time as well

[chilly brook]

I did 26k last night on sivarra

[terse wedge]

or earthlink?

[wraith timber]

why you guys talking about brew, i came here trying to figure out whether brew war or pally and all i hear is brew XD

[terse wedge]

I mean, i am not really supposed to take 10% of my health right? So earthlink would be the choice?

[strong forum]

Gutripper

[analog swift]

sorry was talking shit

brew is op in raids, around the same as warrior in M+ (should be worse next tier) pally is good but not great for both content

[terse wedge]

And last question

440 Vers + mastery or 430 haste + vers

for belt

[strong forum]

440

Sadly

Sucks to not have haste but ilvl > everything else

[terse wedge]

Is that really the case?

[strong forum]

Yes

[terse wedge]

only exception is the socket id assume then

[strong forum]

Socket is 5ilvl on gear

[hallow phoenix]

Rings have some ilvl play

[strong forum]

And IN MY OPINION like 15-20ilvl on rings

[terse wedge]

okay so that brings another question ahaha

430 haste + crit or 430 mastery haste with socket

for pants

[strong forum]

Socket

[hallow phoenix]

Socket imo

Slap a haste gem in that bad boy

[terse wedge]

I have str in it

[hallow phoenix]

Good

[terse wedge]

I have 120 str in trinket and 80 in pants

[strong forum]

Ye das fine

[terse wedge]

but i still have hard time believing

that i should use double seal instead of haste on the ring

[strong forum]

Na

The crit haste ring is literal bis

[terse wedge]

I meant the other one

the loa one

[strong forum]

And Regal loa has more use than mastery

Cuz essences

And trinkets scale off of vers

[terse wedge]

Doesnt that make it less efficent?

[strong forum]

Mastery loses huge value because of BoM

It's not bad but 300 vers is juicy

Unless you have very little haste

I would go with loa

[terse wedge]

1366

[strong forum]

Not great not bad

How much vers you got with loa

[terse wedge]

755

[strong forum]

In the end I would prolly sim it, cuz that loa ring is like 3% raw dmg

In vers

Also leech 🙃

Idk up to you

That shit makes like 1% difference at best

[terse wedge]

Aight

[grave marsh]

is anima of life and death any good?

[strong forum]

Gearing isn't that insanely intricate unless you parse for 100s

Not really @grave marsh but it's usable if you have nothing better

[terse wedge]

Well i am poop warrior, so every little change makes me more likely to survive from messing up

[strong forum]

If you play around it, it's some decent dmg

[grave marsh]

wouldnt I get more out of r3 VoP?

[hallow phoenix]

Vers gets really good when you start using CoF and certain raid trinkets

VoP is bae

[grave marsh]

eugh grinding fishmen rep is ass

[hallow phoenix]

Don't need rep

It's from the dungeon

[grave marsh]

need it for rank 3

for a different one

[hallow phoenix]

Null?

[grave marsh]

the shield thingy that gives vers and heals you every 4 seconds

its fishmen rep

[hallow phoenix]

Oh

Aegis

I don't think I've ever used aegis

[terse wedge]

So for raid I go CoF, MoLD, CnS if i dont have Dynamo rank 3 ?

well i dont have rank 3 besides CoF

[hallow phoenix]

Vision minor instead of cns or lucid most likely

I would just sim it

[terse wedge]

I am more afraid of my survivability tbh

[strong forum]

I love MoLD, but just the abbreviation

[hallow phoenix]

Then you should probably use vision major

If worried about survival

[strong forum]

Survivability comes way more from proper play

Than essences

Essences won't safe you from shit

VoP is just nice default to take to not have to worry about additional buttons in raid

[hallow phoenix]

Also vision minor probably contributes more to survival than say lucid

Avatar is big rage

[strong forum]

If you want max survivability, undying gift major, lucid minor VoP minor imo

[terse wedge]

Or you know what

[strong forum]

Maximum comfy would be what you have right now

[terse wedge]

once someone suggested swapping CaS for SoS

i assume thats only for m+

[strong forum]

Eh

[hallow phoenix]

When I was first doing mythic sivarra I really liked undying gift

[strong forum]

If you have r3 maybe cuz it's alot of vers

[hallow phoenix]

But got tired of that and told my healers to actually heal me

[terse wedge]

You mean haste

SoS gives haste

[grave marsh]

a shitload of haste

[strong forum]

Oh you mean sphere

[terse wedge]

yes

[strong forum]

I thought you meant shrine of the storm

[terse wedge]

ahahaha no

[hallow phoenix]

But only when being hit. In raid you tank like half the time

Sphere loses value

[terse wedge]

Thats a good point

[grave marsh]

you only really need the haste when you're being hit tho

[strong forum]

Sphere isnt shitload it's only like 320 haste

[grave marsh]

its like 5% dude

thats alot

[hallow phoenix]

He means relative to other essences

CnS gives more stats

Always on too

[terse wedge]

but since i wont be tanking 50% of the fight, i guess it sounds smart to get CaS since my vers is like 770

[broken isle]

I have rank 2 working on rank 3. Maybe I can stay with rank 2 cuz I'm terribad at pvp

[hallow phoenix]

Rank 3 cns is huge

The grind to 1600 rating isn't too bad and you only have to do it once

Find an hpal and win some games

[inland bolt]

holy crap grevious sucks on prot war

[hallow phoenix]

How so

[inland bolt]

unlike brew I cant top myself up to clear stacks

just constantly falling behind

[hallow phoenix]

Victory rushhhhhh

Get them last hits we in a MOBA now

[broken isle]

Doesnt getting the less than 1400 net u 1, 1400-1600 gets 3, and 1600 nets 5?

[hallow phoenix]

That sounds right Ziggy

[broken isle]

15 weeks till rank 3 lol

[hallow phoenix]

@inland bolt what is your healer doing? If it's really bad just use fish feasts

@broken isle grind to 1600 in one night and get it in 3 weeks

[analog swift]

yeah

or if you're REALLY bad

just get to 1400

because you don't lose points

under 1400 so you can have like a 20% win rate

although i have heard from people you don't actually have to do an arena after you got the rank just cap conquest

not sure if true

[hallow phoenix]

Correct

Once you get the rating you're set. Conquest can be done with WQs or unrated arena

Or a billion other methods

[inland bolt]

nah Tusks, its just packs on fort hitting waaay too hard and grevious pushing me behind further, is visions major the best option defensively as well?

[hallow phoenix]

Typically yes

You are strongest defensively inside of avatar

Opposed to outside

[analog swift]

bet ok because i'm 1401 on my warrior and 1609 on my monk and really don't want to lose

hahahahaha

[hallow phoenix]

I know some people use undying gift... But that seems like overkill

[strong forum]

Warri is one of the stronger tanks vs grievous cuz IP works against it

[analog swift]

i mean i COULD see it to fill gaps in mitigation

[hallow phoenix]

I think in like 20+ someone was using it

[analog swift]

yeah makes sense for mongo pulls, not having to kite etc.

[hallow phoenix]

Which makes a bit more sense but still

[analog swift]

and you're just chain pulling the whole time you don't really have time to let the charges come bcak

[strong forum]

Undying is good on high keys vs giga heavy tank dmg like zul or ml

[analog swift]

what's it 40% 2 seconds 20% 2 seconds on a 45 sec cd?

[inland bolt]

IP works against grevious?

[broken isle]

Just got 1000 this week. Do I need to start from zero to 1600 next week?

[analog swift]

no

[strong forum]

Yup @analog swift

[inland bolt]

ohh since IP works against all damage, it works on grevious?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yes

[hallow phoenix]

It's an absorb

[inland bolt]

icic

[analog swift]

yeah so it can really fill those 3 second gaps you get

[strong forum]

Also use edict + urchin this week

[hallow phoenix]

Is grievous magic or physical

[strong forum]

Can't get better than this

[hallow phoenix]

For edict

[strong forum]

Physical

[inland bolt]

would I run lucid minor or maybe even lucid major for extra rage to get more IPS to play more defensively?

[strong forum]

Na

[hallow phoenix]

I ran lucid major once to meme

[strong forum]

I would default to VoP + lucid + X
And edict +urchin

[hallow phoenix]

It wasn't bad but vop felt better

Literally had too much rage

[inland bolt]

cause lucid major +visions minor + conflict/aegis/null seems like the best option defensively atm

[strong forum]

It's like the week for defensive trinkets

Idk play around with it

There's no ultimate build

Everything has its ups and downs

[hallow phoenix]

Lucid major let's you use avatar twice with no downtime in between

Is what I've found to be the major advantage

[strong forum]

And gives 20% leech

[hallow phoenix]

Guaranteed 40 seconds of avatar with big leech

[strong forum]

The CD on it is kinda off turn tho

3 min was it? Or 2

[hallow phoenix]

2

[strong forum]

Haven't used it since EP launch

[hallow phoenix]

Not too bad really

It might be good on pull everything weeks

Giga pulls is where leech can shine

[strong forum]

In pull everything weeks VoP will come through tbh

Idk

[grand drum]

Lucid is too much rage imo

[hallow phoenix]

I use VoP for reference lol

[strong forum]

It's not too much if you spam IP

[hallow phoenix]

But lucid is by no means BAD, and if someone wants to play with it then they should

[strong forum]

You just really have to spam it

[hallow phoenix]

40k hps levels of spam

[chilly brook]

@wraith timber I’m forced to play BrM for raids soooo that’s mainly why

[hallow phoenix]

That sounds awful

Being forced to play something

[chilly brook]

I mean I could probably flex and be like “I’m xferring my warrior over and playing it tonight”

[hallow phoenix]

Do it

[chilly brook]

But then I already know the answer “no you’re not we don’t have a geared monk, which means we lose 5% damage on all physical classes”

On the topic of lucid

I almost have avatar ready after the first one ends anyways so I don’t really see the point

Granted that’s also with lust sooooo take that with a grain of salt

[hallow phoenix]

From a DPS standpoint, on a one minute 10 patchwerk, lucid simmed about 90k and visions 93k

Mightve been 6 patchwerk I don't remember

[wraith timber]

@chilly brook makes sense, I'm gearing up my warrior so I can compare between druid/pally/monk/war for tanking

[hallow phoenix]

That being said, visions is one less button to press and I can't think of a scenario where I need 40 seconds of straight avatar every 2 mins

@wraith timber do you play them all

[wraith timber]

to an extent

i currently main balance so my druid is most geared

[hallow phoenix]

I gave up on alts :(

[wraith timber]

but its like 445 guardian/436 pally/430 brew/brand new war

[chilly brook]

It’d be nice if blizz had a brain

[wraith timber]

I feel squishy on my pally but i have a shit shield

and my brew feels really strong that'd I'd feel comfortable tanking mythic with it right now

but i'd be scared to do so on pally since i have little experience

[hallow phoenix]

I always liked playing with a pally cotank cause they'd take the mastery pieces and I'd take the crit

[chilly brook]

You know if people weren’t forced to grind out essences and rep on every single character they wanted to play they might actually increase playtime because there’s no barrier

[hallow phoenix]

GW2 did alts perfectly

Imo

[wraith timber]

I'm trying to figure this out relatively soon so I can start getting essences @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

So here’s my .02 cents on your options

[wraith timber]

before you say that

my situation is this: cotank is a blood DK and we're 6/8M and got CE last tier (I tanked as guardian then)

and i pushed up to 17s as guardian on druid

but obviously want to go further

[chilly brook]

Druid: zzzzzzz
Paladin: probably the most hybrid of the tanks, little bit of proactive little bit of reactive. On paper best utility, most diverse talent builds.
Monk: ultimate snooze mode, no danger of really failing as a tank. Rigid talents, rigid rotation. Low skill floor low skill ceiling. However does have room to do unique things.
Warrior: most damage reduction, most room for error as well. Solid cooldowns, arguably the best designed spec in BFA with how everything builds on the base of the spec. Rigid talent tree but at least some room for moving essences around. Also hands down best spec specific traits for tanks.

I’m definitely biased towards warrior though

[wraith timber]

I would agree with the things about everytrihng but warrior but thats just because I'm not familiar with warrior this expansion

Druid is just straight simple and boring, but it's a great tank to learn tanking mechanics and learn fights from because you get to a point pretty quickly to figuring out how to stop caring about defense and start trying to parse

Monk is the same as druid but with some added flair thrown in

The reasons you gave for paladin is one of the reasons I like it, the only reason i don't like it as much is because it just feels squishy in comparison... but i think my 370 shield (at 435 ilvl) is probably a huge reason for that

[chilly brook]

A bigger shield should help

[wraith timber]

but I like being able to push keys but also help guildies in lower keys without having to worry about them fucking up

[chilly brook]

But that’s also why LotP exists is to offset when you get smashed

[wraith timber]

lotp just feels relatively weak and such a long CD compared to something like frenzied regen

[chilly brook]

One of the reasons why I personally don’t like the class as a tank, SotR doesn’t feel great as mitigation and LotP doesn’t seem like enough

[wraith timber]

not sure if that's just the gear difference

[chilly brook]

The other reason is it just feels like I’m whacking buttons because they’re up

[wraith timber]

I mean the resource for paladin is their abilities basically, since you have no need for rage or energy

[chilly brook]

But I also just haven’t liked Paladin since Wrath, wasn’t a fan of it ever since cata

[wraith timber]

I love the utility of paladin and that you have oh shit buttons available often but it feels like you have to press those oh shit buttons too often

[chilly brook]

Yep

[wraith timber]

I'd rather have something more inherently tanky and having to press big CDs when it's actually needed

[chilly brook]

Oddly enough, you have big CDs as a warrior but it’s in my opinion the best at using them properly since we have the added benefit of reducing their cooldowns which means we get a lot of use out of them by using it to fill mitigation gaps

Like we almost never use them as oh shit buttons because we’re almost never in that position

[wraith timber]

I asked that yesterday and it seems the consensus is to use last stand as a filler and shield wall as an oh shit button

[hallow phoenix]

Paladin has some really unique things too

Like blocking spells

[wraith timber]

I don't disagree with that tusks

[chilly brook]

I still use shield wall as a mitigation filler

I member when Paladin used to have spell block baseline....

[wraith timber]

Shield resets for interrupts
Blocking spells
BoP/BoSW
Final Stand

[hallow phoenix]

Also I believe paladin is one of the higher DPS tanks

[wraith timber]

for ST?

[analog swift]

the only time i wouldn't use SW as mit filler is if you know that you'll need it for a nasty pull later (esp one with shit tons of magic damage)

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah

[wraith timber]

what about AoE?

[hallow phoenix]

Not as good as warrior but I've seen them pump

Probably same as other tanks

[analog swift]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/23#boss=2298&class=Tanks

pretty much patchwerk fight

tanks look pretty even

[chilly brook]

Paladins are higher in the single target

Lower on the aoe

Because avengers shield is target capped and it’s a one of your bigger aoe abilities

Still very respectable though

It’s not gonna cripple you

[wraith timber]

"tanks look pretty even"
looks for VDH
🤔

[hallow phoenix]

I just remember seeing a fuck ton of paladins on top in early EP

[chilly brook]

Vengeance is actually fun as fuck

[wraith timber]

what would be your guys'opinion of a cotank for BDK (other than the obvious monk)

[hallow phoenix]

Seems things evened out

Warrior

[chilly brook]

Whatever you want to play tbh

[wraith timber]

I would give VDH a try griff, but DH + DK tanking duo just sounds like aids

[chilly brook]

Honestly I’ve geared a DH it’s not too bad

[hallow phoenix]

The comp you run won't be the limiting factor

[chilly brook]

Especially if you get 3 stacks of the brand absorb trait

It’s actually kinda nutty how much you can mitigate through absorbs with Vengeance

[hallow phoenix]

Don't they get like 1.5 million hp during meta

[chilly brook]

And visions plus gluttony can make you pretty tanky

[wraith timber]

think with the visions buffs in 8.3 that vdh sees a lot more play?

[chilly brook]

Vengeance won’t see a lot of play until there’s a perception change in the community

TBH I wouldn’t hold my breath, that’s a next xpac thing when they tweak the class

But they’re more than capable of doing Mythic raiding and high keys rn

[wraith timber]

oh i know im not saying they aren't viable

I just know that they may not be as tanky early on in a tier with less gear compared to other tnak

[hallow phoenix]

Bit off topic, but why is there no mail tank? They reworked survival hunter but didn't even bother to make it a tank ...

[chilly brook]

I mean despite prot being just as tanky as it was in 8.0 it went from being considered a dog shit tank by the community to being considered gods in 8.1 because of a few small tweaks that supposedly made them viable

[hallow phoenix]

Blocking ranged attacks and IP off the gcd yeah?

[chilly brook]

Yea and a small tweak to our strength scaling in defense

Really 8.1 just showed how good our aoe was because of reaping

And then people figured out “oh hey we’re supposed to use shield block”

[hallow phoenix]

Did... Did they forget last xpac and all the others before that where warrior was supposed to keep sb up

[chilly brook]

I mean last xpac wasn’t a shield block xpac

[hallow phoenix]

You still wanted to block

[chilly brook]

Yea

[hallow phoenix]

Block was huge in Antorus

[chilly brook]

But IP was your main damage mitigation

But you needed shield block for AM checks

Overall I really like BFA prot

Not something I can say about most specs this xpac

[hallow phoenix]

2 piece from Antorus...

[stark scroll]

Am I going mad, when I used to tank M+ I'd always position myself behind everything, current guild the tank just tanks things face on and wants all the dps to position themselves behind... it's really annoying.

I figured most tanks would position themselves behind packs

[chilly brook]

Why

[wraith timber]

My biggest wants from a tank is being on the better side for raids especially counterpart to a DK. While having respectable ST damage.
Being decent in M+ doesn’t have to be the best because the keys I’m running aren’t ridiculously high... but I want to be able to really carry a key if I need to but it would mostly be lower keys like 15 and below. I loved tanking as pally in late legion because you really didn’t need dps or a healer with the amount of healing you could do.

Off specs are also relatively important because I pvp often and I want to be able to flex in M+ if needed

[chilly brook]

There’s barely any cleaves in dungeons

So it hardly matters

[distant crystal]

it's common courtesy to give your group the mob's back

[hallow phoenix]

Seems like it shouldn't really matter

[distant crystal]

avoiding parries, avoiding cleaves

[stark scroll]

There are still quite a few cleaves, and it's good practice

[distant crystal]

avoiding the robots in motherload putting their shield up towards the ranged dps

[chilly brook]

Show me a log of a m+ with a mob parry....

[distant crystal]

so they have to go all the way across to hit it

[hallow phoenix]

@wraith timber paladin carries keys like no other

[proven stream]

Shadow of zul parries :)

[hallow phoenix]

That's fucked up actually

[proven stream]

Cause they just copy pasted the tlraid boss :)

[wraith timber]

Why’s that?

[proven stream]

Since beta

Good xpac

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure we already had this discussion in this discord and pretty much nothing in m+ parries with that exception

[proven stream]

Ya thats all im saying

Its just zul

[wraith timber]

It might be my paladin for right now but I seem to be focused on keeping myself alive rather than pushing DPS or throwing out off heals

[hallow phoenix]

@wraith timber The utility and ability to negate mechanics on your party (bop) and the heals are all very good in pug setting

[chilly brook]

So positioning doesn’t matter unless it’s going to cleave or has some other positional ability which is fairly uncommon

[distant crystal]

i had no idea that trash mobs didn't parry lol

but, i still put the mobs backs to the group out of habit

[proven stream]

Siege is the biggest frontal dungeon, other than that theres very few

[distant crystal]

temple

[hallow phoenix]

But to actually answer your question nesh, I feel both pally and war complement dk equally well and you should just play what's more fun

[proven stream]

Ya riders and fangs

[potent anvil]

Stack and move with the tank, avoid frontals

[distant crystal]

just a few mobs tho

in motherload positioning the peacekeepers butts to the group is huge

especially if you have ranged dps

[hallow phoenix]

Hi deswind

[potent anvil]

Hello 👋

[chilly brook]

On a side note holy Paladin is fun if you have any interest in healing

You get to be a big boi pumper during wings

@wraith timber

So you’d have the ability to carry in other capacities in keys as well

[hallow phoenix]

Also cns major paladin on sanguine is hilarious

[chilly brook]

What does cns give them?

[hallow phoenix]

Horse knockback

[distant crystal]

lol

[chilly brook]

Lul

I wish cns for vengeance gave them trample

[distant crystal]

dragon's charge would be...interesting

[chilly brook]

Would be a hilarious meme

[distant crystal]

nelf warrior could just charge all the trash out of the way, group runs by, meld

ez claps who needs shroud

[chilly brook]

Well you won’t need shroud anyways next patch 🙃

[hallow phoenix]

I actually like our cns major

[chilly brook]

Isn’t it the tclap root?

[distant crystal]

i've never used that pvp talent but

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah

[distant crystal]

ya

does it just break immediately?

[hallow phoenix]

It's a 1 second root

[distant crystal]

i guess it could be handy for necrotic

[hallow phoenix]

Doesn't break on damage

[distant crystal]

clap leap

[hallow phoenix]

Has no DR

[chilly brook]

Just use extended clap range

And stay out of melee 4head

[distant crystal]

lol just backpedalling

[hallow phoenix]

Basically

[distant crystal]

with avatar and tclap range

[hallow phoenix]

I like it a lot in URb fortified

[chilly brook]

Don’t need mitigation if you don’t get hit :krappa

[hallow phoenix]

UR

[distant crystal]

oh man does it root the swarmer

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[distant crystal]

that's actually clutch as fuck

[hallow phoenix]

And the stupid death bringer and his scary buff

The necromancer

[chilly brook]

UR is actually one of my favorite keys

One of the only good dungeons this xpac imo

[distant crystal]

deathspeaker?

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah that one

[terse wedge]

is Crushing Reverberation blockable?

[potent anvil]

That's from Sivara, right? Then no.

Refer to the google doc linked in #268491842637660160 for a list of blockable/reflectable abilities.

[sick sentinel]

@potent anvil 👋

[potent anvil]

[terse dragon]

Anyone know of they patched zul skipj

[sick sentinel]

i heard it is still possible but never done it myself

[stoic pilot]

Did it yesterday night

Still works

[warm plinth]

Didn't even know there was a skip

How do you do it?

[stoic pilot]

DH can jump the wall

And spawn boss

And it opens the gate

[warm plinth]

Nice. So then you just aggro boss and gate shuts and he can't get in? Or do you stealth past?

[stoic pilot]

You either shroud past him or pull zul to side everyone runs by and you get rezzed

[warm plinth]

Probably a very worthwhile skip since he gives like no forces

[stoic pilot]

It’s an extremely worthwhile skip

If the DH knows how to do it quick you skip the hardest mob on high fort keys

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'll have to practice that; I main DH

[stoic pilot]

I don’t know if you need to be havoc to do it but I think you might need fel rush

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm havoc anyway so

[wraith timber]

you guys see Dratnos's tank ranking vid, thoughts on accuracy?

[warm plinth]

Idk. Is it supposed to be for 8.3 or right now?

If it's for 8.3 idk how anyone would know

[wraith timber]

nah it's 8.2.5

https://youtu.be/991Pckjk2x0

[near ivy]

Prot pala > VDH

100%

[warm plinth]

I think the overall ranking is pretty solid. Not sure if I'd put DH quite that high but that's my only real critique of the ranking itself. Haven't finished watching to see if it's correct commentary-wise

[near ivy]

just looking at the image of the tier list myself

[warm plinth]

DH is a lot beefier than it was in 8.2 though, and I don't think people have really realized it yet.

[near ivy]

i 100% agree BRM > Warr > Pala > then it gets confusing

i would prob go BRM > Warr > Pala > bear=vdh=bdk but i dont know enough about the last 3 to rank them 🤷

[warm plinth]

Nah that's about what I was thinking too

[wraith timber]

tldw if i can remember everything correctly:
Monk S tier because of RoP
War A tier because it just doesn't have RoP
Pala B tier because limited resource on SotR so they have to kite but lots of utility and cheesability
DH B tier because gluttony+vop build is very tanky but they sacrifice damage for that build
Bear C tier because they have to build resources for mitigation which means they often start a pull squishy
DK C tier for same reason as bear but it would be worse if it didn't have grip/mass grip/brez/ranged interrupt

[warm plinth]

Idk just from what I've seen in my personal group, I'd probably rank DH higher than DK at least (we don't have a bear tank in our pool so idk on that one)

[blazing condor]

is briny barnacle ok? 430 with socket but not sure if i wanna use it

[distant crystal]

ye

[warm plinth]

Depends on what else you have

[fast karma]

What are we ranking tank specs for?

I'd like to throw my opinion out there but idk what the context is.

[near ivy]

click on the link and find out : )

[fast karma]

Clicking on links

MonkaS

[warm plinth]

There are a few people who typically put out a tank ranking video. It's weird to have one at this point of a patch though; most of the time it's either right before or right after a patch comes out.

In this case it's for Mythic+, ranking them on "best" to "worst"

[oblique garnet]

his list is accurate tho

[fast karma]

Eh

I'd rank VDH ahead of paladins on that list. I like their AoE damage and healing on large packs.

[wraith timber]

he says the downside to VDH is you either take a heavy mitigation build in gluttony+visions or you take high damage build with spirit bomb

but he ranks them that highly because of the gluttony + visions build basically

[oblique garnet]

vdh is by no means ahead of prot paladins

[ivory barn]

^

[wraith timber]

not saying it is, just saying dratnos's reasoning

[fast karma]

Good thing theres a thing called. "My opinion"

[wraith timber]

oh not directed at me

lol

[oblique garnet]

They are around equal with prot pally pulling ahead

[hallow phoenix]

Get out of here with your opinions /s

[fast karma]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[worldly verge]

what does it mean when it says I'm locked to a certain instance?

how do I unlock it

[near ivy]

right click your characters frame

press "reset all instances"

[warm plinth]

Mythic dungeons and raids have a weekly lockout @worldly verge If you've already done that dungeon on Mythic (not Mythic+, regular Mythic) that week, you can't do it again for rewards until the next reset (Tuesday morning on NA, Wednesday morning on EU)

[hallow phoenix]

EU gets their reset a whole week before NA?

Wow

[warm plinth]

Huh?

[fast karma]

Wait?

[warm plinth]

It's a weekly reset; how would anyone get it a week before someone else? 🤔

[hallow phoenix]

Fine 6 days before NA

[fast karma]

???????????

They dont even get a reset before NA

Wym

[hallow phoenix]

A week sounds better

[warm plinth]

They get their reset a day after us.

[fast karma]

^

Yeah

[hallow phoenix]

Or 6 days before

[warm plinth]

But it's still a week from their last reset.

Er, no

It's not 6 days before lol

[hallow phoenix]

[warm plinth]

If it was 6 days before that means EU would get patches 6 days before NA, but they don't; they get it a day after.

[fast karma]

NA reset is Tuesday. EU Reset is the Wednesday after.

Thats why EU makes fun of NA raiders because they usually clear mythic world first content prior to NA reset.

When NA has a 24h head start.

[hallow phoenix]

Y'all too serious

[distant crystal]

it's 18h

[warm plinth]

It's not actually 24 hours. They get their reset at 7:00 UTC, which is 18 hours

[distant crystal]

and europe has a better social safety net

[near ivy]

its 16 hours iirc

[warm plinth]

Or maybe one off if we're in DST

[distant crystal]

so neckbeards can stay home on the dole playing wow

😄

[fast karma]

my guy @hallow phoenix You came in here with the statements. We had to make sure you were corrected.

[upbeat acorn]

Hey, I am running tripple bastion setupk, and i just noticed when i get a vision proc, i only benefit from 1 of the bastion traits, and not all 3, unlike when i naturally pop avatar. Has anyone noticed or know of this interaction?

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah it is 16 hours

7:00 UTC is 2am my time, and my reset happens at 10am, which is 16 hours prior

[distant crystal]

@upbeat acorn you benefit from all 3

but roughly 1/3 benefit

so it looks like 1

[warm plinth]

You benefit from all 3, just at 35% effectiveness

[fast karma]

^

[distant crystal]

try it with only 1 trait and you'll see it's like 1/9 of a normal triple :p

[fast karma]

Cant wait for VoP to get proc chance buffed

Gonna see 8.0 Clappers return

[warm plinth]

However, if Vision procs during Avatar, you get the full value

[upbeat acorn]

But wouldn't it make more sense that i get the full amount for 35% of the duration?

[fast karma]

We shall be known as Clapparriors.

[distant crystal]

it would

but blizz sucks

[warm plinth]

It would, but it works that way for a lot of azerite traits

[distant crystal]

so here we are

[upbeat acorn]

It doesnt reduce the effectiveness of avatar to 35%?

xd

seems odd

but thanks for the answer

[hallow phoenix]

Does fury war recklessness get only 35% of their bonus 25% crit

During visions

[distant crystal]

no because that's not a trait

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't think so. As far as I know on any of the CDs, only the duration is reduced of the actual ability (except channeled spells like Bladestorm or Tranquility)

[distant crystal]

that's just what recklessness does

but infinite fury probably does get reduced, not sure

[near ivy]

the real question

does the ignore pain cast from BoM get reduced?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Yes it does

[distant crystal]

lil baby IP

[near ivy]

interesting

[warm plinth]

And it overrides existing IP too 🙃

[hallow phoenix]

Actually small indie company blizzard

[near ivy]

and (i think its fixed now) but it used to bug repeat sentence on queens court

cast avatar

BoM casts IP

cast IP

silenced

even though your last input was avatar

[warm plinth]

lul

[hallow phoenix]

That was fixed pretty sure

[distant crystal]

there were a few like that

priests running misery, if you cast vt + sw:p

silenced

[hallow phoenix]

Lel

[distant crystal]

not that you should ever run misery on that fight

but a really annoying one for casters is if you try to cast something but you're facing the wrong way so it fails

then you turn and cast it

silenced

rip

[warm plinth]

lol that's some advanced mechanics right there

[candid ledge]

Hey guys, Im back on my pwar alt after some time. Is it still like prot palas, go for whatever sims best, I mean full damage?

[oblique garnet]

Huh? In what

[candid ledge]

Mainly M+

[oblique garnet]

What kind of keys? 10s? 20+?

[candid ledge]

10-15

I was tanking higher in previous season but ditched the alt until now.

[strong forum]

1.7k haste bros

got orgo weapon + cloak

[warm plinth]

Not bad

Mine was at 1800 at 420. Now at 435 I've dropped all the way to like 1100 😭

[candid ledge]

Stick to CoF as major, even if VoP R1 sims so lower? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rgNPDEX7DdXU8R8NTm3UEZ

[strong forum]

449.31 now

equipped 🙂

[warm plinth]

Dungeon slice sim 🤢

[candid ledge]

Heh

How should I sim for m+?

[warm plinth]

I don't sim for M+ personally on prot war but on my DH I typically do a single target patchwerk for 5 minutes and a multi-target patchwerk (typically 5 targets) for 1 minute and use my judgment on what would be best overall. Simming on prot for dungeons never seemed to make sense for me because if I want to get better and do higher keys, then survival matters to a point.

[candid ledge]

for example, would I go for a dps trait or Ablative shielding?

So still go for VoP r1 major over cof r3?

[strong forum]

ablative has almost 0 value for prot

we have very high base armor

and an minor armor increase doesnt benefit us at all

ablative is good for pally, bdk, vdh and monk

not for warri

[sharp night]

my m+ sims are 2 min no lust patchwerk/light movement for fort, 5 min with lust for tyr, 4-5 target 1 min for trash and 10 target 40 sec lust for larger pulls and then kinda avg it out

[strong forum]

VoP r1 is decent, r2 is the big one, CoF you dont really play in m+

@candid ledge

[sharp night]

also as prot you shouldn't be falling below 40% except from magic so ablative has even less value

[candid ledge]

Alright, I havent bothered with Mech at all, but I guess I should to get r2

Ty guys

[strong forum]

r1 is 25%

duration

r2 is 35%

r3 gives perma 90+ vers and haste proc for 2 groupmembers

[candid ledge]

Yeah I know them 😄

r2 is easy, so should work on it

[dreamy fulcrum]

How much should a decent prot warrior sim in Dungeon Slice with 2 defensive trinkets (Urchin + Edicts) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iBqRjYMXRtVxt8pEVurtAN Is this any decent?

[hallow phoenix]

I don't know anyone that sims dungeon slice

[dreamy fulcrum]

Why not?

[hallow phoenix]

What exactly are you trying to get from the sim by locking in two defensive trinkets? BoM trait is best for offensive and defensive purposes in m+ already so there's really not much to sim for

You'll do the damage you do if you're focusing on defense

I believe the consensus is dungeon slice still does not accurately represent a m+ dungeon

For example it usually tells me to run RF for max DPS, but that's awful

[warm plinth]

It's just a wonky sim. It doesn't provide accurate results. I don't even think it's possible for a prot warrior to realistically hit 41k DPS in an M+ dungeon.

Like the top ones are doing like 30k? 31k maybe?

[hallow phoenix]

You can in ML, FH, and WM

If like a 10

[warm plinth]

Yeah if you're pulling like...half the dungeon or some shit

lol

meme keys

[hallow phoenix]

👀

[warm plinth]

I'm talking about on logs btw, for the 30-31k. It's usually a bit higher on Details

because WCL calculates the dead time I believe

Whereas Details doesn't

Dead time meaning like time out of combat, not time while dead

[hallow phoenix]

In general @dreamy fulcrum simming m+ is weird to do. And will produce questionable results. If you have any questions on traits or gear we'd be happy to help

One thing I like to do is sim 10 target patchwerk to see what pieces shine in big aoe pulls

[dreamy fulcrum]

i dont believe in simulations as accurate pictures of reality, i just see it as a benchmark that you can compare around, and thats what my question is based around. I was just wondering how do other warriors sim in dungeon slice, the methodology of the simulation doesnt matter in this case, because its same for everyone.

[hallow phoenix]

Dungeon slice is still a weird one to use since it heavily favors single target damage

As shown by devastator and CoF coming out on top

[dreamy fulcrum]

does it really? 😮

[hallow phoenix]

Everytime I've played around with it

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it pretty much always recommends ST DPS things

Devastator, CoF essence, Reckless Flurry trait

[dreamy fulcrum]

Holy crap, i didnt know that

so is there any reasonable way to sim prot warrior (I know its kinda strange for a tank, but if class excels at dealing damage, why not actually polish it) for dungeons?

[hallow phoenix]

I believe 6-10 target patchwerk with no lust or monk/DH buffs for 1 min would be better for trying to sim m+