protection

[ripe crow]

Prot be king in keys again 8.3?

[sick sentinel]

prob

[inland bolt]

other than visions major, what essence combinations can I take to be as tanky as possible in keys?

or does visions major the only option?

[chilly brook]

I mean you take visions

And maybe Undying as a major if it’s an actually high high key

Idk why you wouldn’t want to run visions though

[outer dew]

@daring marlin toxic

[tired dagger]

do explosive orb kills still grant victory rush?

[spice ferry]

Not currently, no word on if it’s a bug or not

[undone sun]

but likely to be one

[chrome kernel]

anyone here

[undone sun]

That really depends on what you're looking for.

[chrome kernel]

whats the engineer bomb that everyone uses for tanking

Solid Dynamyte? since its so cheap

[ionic fern]

First time hearing about it..must be getting old.

[undone sun]

new to me as well

all searches lead to old engineering, so possibly meant for #vanilla-discussion

[chrome kernel]

ohh i thought this was classic channel sorry

[ionic fern]

[exotic spoke]

[loud burrow]

we killed ashvane yesterday ... for Orgo, if i can choose, should i tank boss or adds?

[exotic spoke]

What are your co tanks?

[loud burrow]

Monk&DK

[exotic spoke]

I'd use DK for the adds personally

[ionic fern]

No idea how DK is on boss but i'd say DK on adds and you on boss with monk.

[exotic spoke]

^^

[loud burrow]

Okay, thats what we did too - any tips for the first few hits? yell for externals or/and tak essence from raid?

[ionic fern]

You don't need externals

Just Last Stand with Bolster.

Or SB with Demo shout

[exotic spoke]

Avatar + Last stand )assuming you have bastion

is about as much as you'll ever need

[loud burrow]

okay, ill try that

[mossy rover]

Anyone here that knows the color codes for method dungeon tools?

[ionic fern]

What do you mean more precisely?

🤔

[mossy rover]

I've never used the addon before but I imported a route and I'm abit confused by the colours. Green purple teal blue

[ionic fern]

I'm pretty sure those are just random colors used.

[proven stream]

prolly just coded to distinguish between pulls

doubt they mean anything

[ionic fern]

^

In general there are "notes" near the pulls that give the information

[sick sentinel]

Fuck colouring in mdt

It's so ugly

lol

[brittle owl]

you're just salty you can't stay between the lines

[warped brook]

New capped alt (ilvl 405 or so), feeling a little squishy in +10s, especially from magical magical heavy fights. Running with the defensive mode talents from qoqhead (https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-talent-guide). Any talent/gear/tips while I'm relatively undergeared to keep me up?

[tight tree]

Not much you can do, play with null barrirer, make sure your DPS kicking every nasty cast on trash/bosses, know when/what to spellreflect, tough it up, get better gear.

[sweet summit]

For magic damage, make sure to use shield wall, demo shout and ignore pain+spell reflect. Or just tell your healer to pump more :^)

Note: spell reflect gives you a 20% dr against magic damage for its duration even if you dont reflect anything

[strong forum]

It's mostly ilvl that makes you feel squishy

405 is extremely low, especially if you pug 10s

[undone sun]

would also recommend IV over WH, not that it's a huge difference but enough

[hallow phoenix]

I don't even know how you'd get into a 10 at 405 ilvl

In lfg

[strong forum]

Prolly guild group, I reckon it's impossible at 405 to get into a 10

Also there's no 'defensive build'

There's only 1 build

[hallow phoenix]

Crackling Thunder vs safeguard

Checkmate

[undone sun]

deva vs bv

ez

[strong forum]

Yea... Not in m+

[undone sun]

but i'd also those aren't really separate builds

[hallow phoenix]

I've run devastator in m+ on accident. Not awful on explosive

[strong forum]

It's not ever awful

Just low value

[undone sun]

otherwise

not good

[hallow phoenix]

Full crit + ravager vs full mastery BoM

Which is offensive

Which is defensive

[strong forum]

Now that sounds fun

[undone sun]

😬

the latter is both

[hallow phoenix]

What if you 3x gathering storm

[fair lark]

Heya, quick question. Can you have too much haste as a prot war? I'm completely new to tank and was wondering, since I can get over 30% easily. I got the shield from radiance in 455 yesterday so i thought i could try to get more into tanking

[undone sun]

there is no situation where ravager is even close to viable

[strong forum]

No @fair lark

[hallow phoenix]

201% is too much

[strong forum]

Ye 200% is the breakpoint

[undone sun]

no reachable amount

🤦

[fair lark]

Okay, thanks! So i guess i'll switch every gem to haste

[hallow phoenix]

I'm at 1400 haste at the moment as a side note. I hate it

[strong forum]

Yup

[hallow phoenix]

My crit is like 900 too

[strong forum]

I'm at 1.5k haste 1.1k crit

😏

[hallow phoenix]

I miss having 30% crit and everything else haste like I did in s2

[strong forum]

That's the funny part, even with 900 crit im at 29.5% parry or some shit

[hallow phoenix]

I'm at around 1300 vers

[strong forum]

YIKES

[hallow phoenix]

Which isn't bad for raids but I don't like it in m+

[strong forum]

it's good for essences tho

And urchin

[hallow phoenix]

My CoF pumps

[strong forum]

And edict

[sick sentinel]

Vers is good for the pumper stuff

[strong forum]

In raid my cof occasionally crits over 100k,which is nice

[undone sun]

verse is always good 🤔

[strong forum]

Ye but 1.3k is a bit much for my taste

[sick sentinel]

DR, damage, scalling with essences and trinket

[hallow phoenix]

I know it's always good, I just prefer other stats

[strong forum]

I'm at like 800

[hallow phoenix]

High crit makes me feel good inside in aoe

[sick sentinel]

?

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

Doesn't haste sim higher for aoe

not crit

[hallow phoenix]

Not for me when I do patchwerk 10

[undone sun]

it'd be different for everyone

mostly marginally different

but still different

[hallow phoenix]

I do have a bunch of haste procs so it's not so bad

[warped brook]

Getting into 10s at 405 cause it's my key, all pugs ofc, classic killed guild :/

[hallow phoenix]

2-3 OP and a MS

[sick sentinel]

I have MS, rezans, OP

etc

haste still sims higher

[hallow phoenix]

/shrug

They're close

How attainable is 100% mastery?

Asking for a friend

[sick sentinel]

Go arms

[hallow phoenix]

Truuuu

[sick sentinel]

Basically impossible

I have 1k mastery, 3 BoMs

[hallow phoenix]

Only during avatar then?

[sick sentinel]

only 75%

[hallow phoenix]

Jeez

Weird that no essence gives mastery

[sick sentinel]

http://prntscr.com/piz481

my arms mastery

[hallow phoenix]

Is that during avatar with your bom

[sick sentinel]

ye

[hallow phoenix]

I play arms occasionally but have never actually looked at my mastery

That'd be a real nasty bladestorm

[sick sentinel]

Doesn't mastery just increase bleed damge

[hallow phoenix]

Bladestorm is the best way to apply deepwounds in aoe

I should have clarified

[sick sentinel]

so a real nasty deep wound application

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

Hopefully going to be on orgo this next week. We should have me, a bear, and a pally

I'm pretty sure all 3 are decent boss tanks?

[sick sentinel]

http://prntscr.com/piz727

lul

[hallow phoenix]

That is nasty

I want to go into a high fort key with that and cleave

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

I wouldn't do that

[hallow phoenix]

It is your destiny

[sick sentinel]

wasted damage as anger management doesn't reduce avatar cd lmao

[hallow phoenix]

.... Blizzard please

I don't even know what other options there are besides anger management

[sick sentinel]

this is gross

my prot is simming higher on aoe with vers

and crit now

my stats changed

😢

[undone sun]

😮

[hallow phoenix]

Feels bad

Welcome to the club

Time to put on butchers block instead of rezans and find out that haste is now better than crit when you re-sim

[sick sentinel]

I put on both

[hallow phoenix]

My healer yells at me if I don't have on at least edict or urchin

:(

Though I've been really liking inkpod lately

Sometimes does 10-12% of my damage on a boss and around 6% overall

[tight tree]

Hmm i must go in and try tanking with coral. It is annoying to manage tho

m+*

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4JrPA5MaLyBPHc8T5QFU6A

bom sims higher in 20 seconds

Kappa

[strong forum]

Tried a meme key as arms with avatar lucid and coral... Boi... That shits impossible to manage if you're not used to it

[hallow phoenix]

Deadly nav instead of Gale force?

[sick sentinel]

it's my fury weapon

[hallow phoenix]

I think arms can actually be a bit difficult to play properly in aoe

Lots of plays to make

[strong forum]

Arms is actual 200iq spec, not many buttons but actual management of what to press in what prio n shit

Especially if playing 3x tom

[hallow phoenix]

My current m+ arms set has 2 ToM and a striking the anvil

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hP9GEn9cVKov89bnXuuT6t

dude bom PUMPS

[hallow phoenix]

Very fun to play around

[strong forum]

I could run full ST bis for arms but cba reforging

And m+ arms is weird azerite

[hallow phoenix]

What's the fight duration there

[undone sun]

20s

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

don't look at that

sh

we only go for BURST

That's the real play

wanna be unholy dk

[hallow phoenix]

M+ arms is mostly LoW and gathering storm no? I think one striking the anvil is preferable too

Nothing beats hitting warbreaker with 3x LoW and ripping threat off the tank cause it's an aoe taunt at that point

[sick sentinel]

3 LoW, 3 BoM

[hallow phoenix]

Pls

[sick sentinel]

GIANT

[hallow phoenix]

Is blood of the enemy from battlegrounds

I should probably get it

[sick sentinel]

50k honor

[hallow phoenix]

Ick

[sick sentinel]

it'll take like 3/4 weeks

[hallow phoenix]

Once my arms ST sim said to take RF

That felt weird

[strong forum]

30k

It's been "nerfed"

[hallow phoenix]

Do maybe like 2 weeks?

[sick sentinel]

ye

[hallow phoenix]

and is it actually better than meme beam

[sick sentinel]

yes

enemy is best for aoe for all dps melee specs besides Havoc DH

[hallow phoenix]

Now then, is the best way to get the honor epic or normal bgs

I could semi afk epics so that's a plus

[strong forum]

Normal bgs as mercenary

Cuz nobody in their right mind does bgs as horde

[hallow phoenix]

I do :(

Is horde supposed to be bad or something

[undone sun]

alli racials are objectively better in pvp

[hallow phoenix]

I would get smeld which is nice

Thanks all. Guess I know what I'm doing for the next 2 weeks

[sick sentinel]

I do bgs as horde

and win them

like all the time

idk about you guys

[hallow phoenix]

Do you run oppressor

[terse wedge]

which of these essences should i use for now?

[sick sentinel]

why is your CoF rank 1

when it should be rank 3

[hallow phoenix]

What content

[sick sentinel]

did you not do the quests?

and if its' for rai

d

CoF rank 3 Major

Vision and conflict minor

[terse wedge]

i actually dont know

[sick sentinel]

go to the essence area

and od the main quests

[terse wedge]

The quest didnt appear for me

its not there

not even in my quest log

[sick sentinel]

should figure that out

[hallow phoenix]

That's horrifying

Should be in the heart chamber

[terse wedge]

look for yourself

and this is my quest log

[hallow phoenix]

Do you have one of the essence thingies in your inventory/bank?

Submit a ticket otherwise

And for m+ a lot of people like visions major, cns + sphere minor

[sick sentinel]

sphere isn't that common

[hallow phoenix]

Raids was covered with your current options

Really? I see it a lot

[sick sentinel]

It's usually CNS/Lucid/Null depending

I've never seen anybody do sphere

Aegis sometimes

even a tank do 23/24s, it was Conflict/Lucid

[hallow phoenix]

A lot of haste with practically 100% uptime

[sick sentinel]

Only person I know who does is kaege

but I'm sure others use it too

but what from I've seen

It's those 3

not Sphere

[hallow phoenix]

You like lucid?

[sick sentinel]

Lucid gives vers, healing and more rage for more avatars

[hallow phoenix]

I need never really tried it for long

Like 280 vers right?

[sick sentinel]

like 389

for 8 seconds

[hallow phoenix]

Oh shit

[sick sentinel]

what kinda of lucid are you proccing lol

[hallow phoenix]

I'm not, it's been a while since I've looked at it

[sick sentinel]

it's big

lucid has ~30-35% uptime

on the vers buff

the difference between others and me mvpg is that I actually do my research and I look at logs

and also, I have very low haste on my gear :((

[hallow phoenix]

Is it lower than 1400

[sick sentinel]

1050

[hallow phoenix]

Cause I'm at 1400 :(

Oof

So I memed with a dagger last week

You guys should try it

[strong forum]

Yeah... No

[hallow phoenix]

Put Gale force on it

[strong forum]

3x rf + deva + gale force dagger

[hallow phoenix]

Yeet

[strong forum]

This is big brain time

[hallow phoenix]

Only sims like 2k below normal

[strong forum]

Better than my Dh

That Sims 12k less than my warri 🙃

Even with bis essences 8k less

[hallow phoenix]

Which essence do dh use in raids

[terse wedge]

i found out the issue :^)

[strong forum]

Same as warri

For parses

[hallow phoenix]

I've never ever seen a vengeance dh

[terse wedge]

Do you ever like, queue up for something, you hurry to finnish of the quest

and then get tpd and kinda forget about it?

yeaaah..

[strong forum]

Kek

[terse wedge]

Emerald dream..

yeaaaag

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

Glad you figured it out!

[strong forum]

Vdh can do ST dps, but you need 3x undulating to even get anywhere near

With normal gear you'll do Jack shit

[hallow phoenix]

That's kind of sad

[strong forum]

With cof r3 + cns r3 and null r3

Only 26k sim

And normal gear

[hallow phoenix]

You sim 38k?

On woyer

[strong forum]

34k without benthics

[hallow phoenix]

I gave up on benthics once I finished my boots

[strong forum]

With full benthics it'd be 38-39k

[hallow phoenix]

If I can get a soulspun casque on Tuesday I'll sim 39k

The damn thing is elusive

[sick sentinel]

how the living how

hell*

lol

[hallow phoenix]

I'm very geared

[sick sentinel]

I barely sim 35.5k

[hallow phoenix]

Full benthic pushes me even higher

But I hate benthic

I have cthraxxi, abyssal malevolence, and ashvanes for azerite

And a shit ton of vers

[strong forum]

I'm running radiance, kraken, ashvane

No RF

[hallow phoenix]

Those are all good pieces

[strong forum]

3 BoM 1 DC 2 MS dream

[hallow phoenix]

I run MS instead of RF on ashvanes

Like a 100 DPS loss but worth not reforging all the time

[strong forum]

I gave up this raid for parsing

Cba trying

Couldn't even reclear court this week cuz of roster changes

So done with this tier

[hallow phoenix]

My new guild is still a bit stuck on the roster boss

Hardest boss every tier

[strong forum]

Yup

Our 2 DHs got bullied out of the guild

Now we had to pug a 3/8 grey logger for court

[hallow phoenix]

[strong forum]

Have 7 melee players

0 priests

[hallow phoenix]

We have like 6 healers so some of them are learning DPS

Speaking of priests, I learned today they can life grip you from rezans room up to the bridge area in atal

Kinda neat if you're like me and suck at jumping

[outer dew]

Priest are the best assassins

Grip you into spiders out of spite

[hallow phoenix]

Saw a priest grip a hunter into blood pools on priestess cause he wasn't soaking them

Have yet to meet a malevolent one

[strong forum]

Priests are a rare species

[hallow phoenix]

They're all super chill imo

[past bison]

used to play one cannot confirm

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[past bison]

i kept screaming in my monitor for the longest time

[ancient garnet]

I had one constantly grip me and try to kill me in heroic palace once

[past bison]

not at anyone just screamed while healing gave a little more intensness

[hallow phoenix]

I put on the engi "don't bug me" thing in raids

Have had one too many accidental life grips

[strong forum]

Never seen a priest use lifegrip

Ever

[hallow phoenix]

It's so good

[strong forum]

It's amazing

[sick sentinel]

My old friend use to use it all the time

[strong forum]

But nobody does it

[sick sentinel]

I've seen priests grip all the time too

[strong forum]

Cuz they too small brain

[hallow phoenix]

Having a priest grip me to help my kiting is the best feeling

[sick sentinel]

In antorus, back on felhounds. I would be on my lock, mid infernal havoc window and he would grip me right at the end of the chaos bolt cast to fuck me

😡

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao get rekt

[sick sentinel]

He literally had a brain big enough to 100% parse

track my infernal havoc timing

grip me while healing

lmao

[past bison]

stop i might start playing my priest again

[sick sentinel]

while doing mechanics

[hallow phoenix]

It sounds so fun

Had a priest a few months back on bolstering that would mind control a mob right before another died

Prevented so much bolster

[sick sentinel]

Ye main priest does that

I actually yell giant brain every time he does that

[hallow phoenix]

It's honestly very impressive

Priest heals used to be my least favorite but they're growing on me

[sick sentinel]

I only like disc priest

I hate holy

[hallow phoenix]

Find you a holy priest that will apotheosis smite spam

[sick sentinel]

still worse than disc

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah but they're trying their best

Healer I can't really stand is rdruid if I'm honest

Most don't catweave for shit and the heals feel weaker than other healers :(

Maybe I have bad luck with them

[sick sentinel]

bad luck

[ionic fern]

o.o

A decent resto druid is godlike.

Knows to let the hot's do the work and won't try to top you off instantly.

[hallow phoenix]

My guild has no rdruids that do keys so I'm always pugging them

Lately I've only been seeing mistweavers in lfg

[ionic fern]

Think i've only seen 2 of those in total.

😂

[hallow phoenix]

You can have some of mine

[ionic fern]

99% of healers queing are resto druids for me.

[hallow phoenix]

I'm a bit lucky and can usually run with a rsham in my guild

[ionic fern]

UNlucky you ment right?

[hallow phoenix]

I like rsham lol

[ionic fern]

[hallow phoenix]

And better someone I have experience with than a pug

Idk I love having an interrupt on the healer slot

[ionic fern]

Eh, i'd take a guildie over a pug as well i guess in such scenarios.

But resto shaman seems too iffy in most situations.

[hallow phoenix]

I'm only doing 18-19s and have yet to see class choice actually make the difference

Probably changes at higher keys

Biggest thing is no poison dispel

[ionic fern]

🤷
I just can't see most classes out do what a good resto druid can do.
Short CD External, tons of utility, can hot people up while focusing on damaging etc.

[brittle owl]

wdym just cleanse toxins

oh wait

other prot

😂

[ionic fern]

Wdym just dwarf racial.

[brittle owl]

2 min cd pepega

[hallow phoenix]

I am a big fan of earth ele and spirit link

[brittle owl]

spirit link is so good

[hallow phoenix]

On necrotic.. mmmm

[brittle owl]

ye, can do some pretty retarded shit with it

[hallow phoenix]

Never kite

[strong forum]

No poison dispell and being unable to heal and dps simultaneously are the main reasons why shaman isn't bis

[hallow phoenix]

Can't deny that

[brittle owl]

and no actual tank external

[strong forum]

Well and lack of ST healing

[brittle owl]

on a smooth tank they can cheese their mastery

for warr/brew it should be fine

[hallow phoenix]

Undulation can lead to some big heals

With 3x turn the tides

[ionic fern]

Their only defensive is also on a 1.5m CD iirc.

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah they squish

[strong forum]

My sham swears on stacking 3x spouting

For some reason

[hallow phoenix]

Reincarn is nice for certain death skips though

[brittle owl]

raid healing probably

[strong forum]

Even in keys

[brittle owl]

and lazy to change

[hallow phoenix]

^

[brittle owl]

or poor

or both

[ionic fern]

Do you know what else is nice?
Cat form stealth.

[hallow phoenix]

Can't stealth voids :^)

[ionic fern]

Jep, but can stealth 99% other skips.

:^)

But jeah, most classes work.
There just comes a time when shamans will get one shot due to RNG mechanics like first boss in TD etc.

[brittle owl]

nah

just spellward

oops sorry

wrong prot again

[hallow phoenix]

Wait a minute

[ionic fern]

Don't need no pussy spells like Spellward.

[hallow phoenix]

Just safeguard

Safeguard stronk

[brittle owl]

safeguard is so good yeah

also broken in certain contexts

like freehold

[hallow phoenix]

Not at that point in my key pushing yet though where people just die without any counter play

[brittle owl]

ye

[hallow phoenix]

Where do you use it in FH?

[brittle owl]

eudora

[strong forum]

Gib pylons back

[hallow phoenix]

Just intervene works

[brittle owl]

high enough tyr

is safeguard or bust

maybe with a hpal you can sorta wing it

[ionic fern]

🤔

[hallow phoenix]

Still confused

[strong forum]

So how do Monks do it

[ionic fern]

Intervene takes the whole shot.

The target will take 0 damage.

[hallow phoenix]

^

[brittle owl]

oops tru

[ionic fern]

Places where safeguard works is KR first/2nd/3rd boss on high tyrannical for example.

[hallow phoenix]

Real trick is to use it on shark boss

Let them DPS stay in

[strong forum]

Pretty sure that's not enough

By a large margin

[hallow phoenix]

Is for the keys I do

TD is another good place for safeguard

First boss

Gotta be quick with it tho

[ionic fern]

Just get out of the jump

Oh wait, you're running with a resto shaman.

Picking on resto shamans never gets old, im sorry.

😄

[hallow phoenix]

Eh I'm used to it. I like running with weird shit

[ionic fern]

I ran most of Legion with a holy priest.

😂

[hallow phoenix]

Arcane mage

Affli lock

Love em

[ionic fern]

Long time since i saw a affliction warlock..aren't they scuffed?

[hallow phoenix]

I have one on my friends list that absolutely pumps

[ionic fern]

"pumps" gimme numbers.

[hallow phoenix]

50k overall on tyrannical ML is what I remember

[ionic fern]

ML is big boy pulls tho.

[hallow phoenix]

Which doesn't favor affli

[ionic fern]

🤷
No idea how it works.

[hallow phoenix]

They have trash aoe

[ionic fern]

🤔

[strong forum]

Affli is negative aoe

[ionic fern]

Why do you bring one to m+ then?

[strong forum]

Cuz he hates himself

[ionic fern]

Their ST would have to be pre-nerf Demo levels.

[hallow phoenix]

Cause he my friend

[ionic fern]

With like 100k+ bursts etc.

[hallow phoenix]

St is like 70-80k

[ionic fern]

Meh

[strong forum]

Warlock is giga ♿ in keys

Demo is semi decent at best

[ionic fern]

Je, Demo can work in low movement fights.

[hallow phoenix]

Sucks demo is stuck with felguard

[strong forum]

The lack of interrupt is huge

[hallow phoenix]

Imp has a dispel too

Situationally useful

[strong forum]

Ye but hf swapping back and forth between pets

[ionic fern]

Tbh we ran with a Demo last seasons up to like 3.2k+ and diddn't have many issues with 1 interrupt down.

[strong forum]

Just to be a worse mage

It can work

[hallow phoenix]

Just run rsham and you get the interrupt back

[strong forum]

Any spec can work

[hallow phoenix]

Kek

[ionic fern]

Soulstone was especially nice since our healer liked to die to random shit.

😂

[strong forum]

I miss Legion affli...

[hallow phoenix]

Warlock gate is also good

[ionic fern]

Jeah, many skips.

[strong forum]

I miss playing fun keys.

But everybody hates the game atm or is on break that I used to run with

[ionic fern]

I'm also on a "break" . Gearing random chars...

[strong forum]

Ye same

[ionic fern]

Farming BG's as Enhancement shaman is a pain.

😂

[strong forum]

Yike

[crude pond]

Is this route③ possible? I tried to pass those three packs with shroud, but we ended up in the middle of the third pack.

[hallow phoenix]

Yes it's possible

Use a speed pot

Or windrush / stampeding roar

[crude pond]

Without speed buff is it absolutely impossible?

[near ivy]

shroud ---> invis

[hallow phoenix]

Umm

Gonna say yes based on the one time I tried it without

[strong forum]

That's a yikes skip

[crude pond]

@near ivy yes when we used invis it was more than enough

[near ivy]

i mean

[hallow phoenix]

Double shroud, invis, or Lightfoot are your best bets

[near ivy]

how close did you get

was there something you couldve done to get further

[crude pond]

How close to where? The first pack?

[hallow phoenix]

When I tried that exact same skip we were almost out of aggro range of the last pack to be skipped

So cc might work

But honestly just use a pot and you'll make it

Lightfoot is like a min CD on pots

[crude pond]

@hallow phoenix you only used shroud and made it?

[hallow phoenix]

No we used only shroud and failed by a small margin

Any supplement and we would've made it

[crude pond]

Yeah I think so too

I think it might be so close

Either fail or make it

[hallow phoenix]

Is there some reason you want to do it with just shroud

It's a big skip

[crude pond]

Because with random players they may not be that ready

[near ivy]

is there a reason you want to do that skip with randoms xd

[ionic fern]

Why are you doing that skip in the first place?

[crude pond]

Did you get as close as possible to the first pack before using the shroud?

[hallow phoenix]

There's a tides + brute pack this week is my guess

Kinda sucky

[crude pond]

@ionic fern Isn't that a neat pass?

[hallow phoenix]

If you really want to do something like that, I would see about skipping everything until the first beast master + 2 raptors pack

So the very first spawn and the tides

Should be less sketch and similar %

[crude pond]

@near ivy well, faster clear means more items and I'm really eager to get my geti

[hallow phoenix]

Just make your group double rogue

And you can skip it all

But as you have it now I wouldn't expect pugs to do that skip successfully. Anyone lags behind and it's a wipe

[old zephyr]

Hey, I've seen a bunch of protwar running anima of life and death as major, is this New meta pour just New players that don't have VoP

[ionic fern]

Who

Are the "bunch of protwarrs"?

[old zephyr]

Random pugs

[hallow phoenix]

Are they boosting freeholds

I ran anima major in a +3

If that counts

[undone sun]

👀

[strong forum]

Nobody serious is using anime

[crude pond]

Okay now I know there are lots of alternatives. Though I wanted know if it's possible with only one shroud, which I guess isn't. Thanks

[brittle owl]

there's also a bunch of dk's using purgatory, a lot of paladins going first avenger so on and so forth

there's a lot of noob traps is what i'm getting at

running anima for anything relevant is one of them

[hallow phoenix]

Which one is first avenger

+3*n%?

[brittle owl]

the 50% increase on avengers shield first target

[hallow phoenix]

.... Yikes

[brittle owl]

beware the traps

hpals running mercy

disc's running the barrier thing on last row

warriors with ravager 👀

[hallow phoenix]

Sometimes I run punish in PvP

[brittle owl]

demonhunters with fel dev 👀

but especially hpals running mercy

[hallow phoenix]

My bear cotank likes to run anima major

I cri

[brittle owl]

i mean

it's fun to press as a high hp tank

still sucks

[hallow phoenix]

He's getting better about it

[brittle owl]

no meme

ripple in space is better

for pure dps

[hallow phoenix]

Is there a fight duration that makes a difference

Always looking for ways to speed up my FH runs

[brittle owl]

anima is better the fewer pulls you have

so it's bis for

islands

😂

[hallow phoenix]

4 pulls each lasting about 30 sec

[brittle owl]

so 2x anima

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah

[brittle owl]

compare that with 3 ripples

or 4 or w/e

[hallow phoenix]

Will check the numbers when I log in later

Might be worth trying

The heal on anima will be hard to part with though

[brittle owl]

if you boosting sure

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah it's for FH boosts

[brittle owl]

you have health pots tho

and 10% dr is gud

[hallow phoenix]

One of the pulls is pretty sketch not gonna lie. But I'll test it

I've got the run down to about 5:15 though

[brittle owl]

honestly should just boost on a diff class 😂

but i understand if you cba

[hallow phoenix]

There's not much point going faster than 6 mins really

Don't think another class would help

[brittle owl]

ease of use really

[hallow phoenix]

Fair

[brittle owl]

dh is bis by far for shit like this

you can't did

die*

legit impossible

[hallow phoenix]

At 120?

[brittle owl]

ye

c&s major for dispels and lit unkillable

the only thing that'd get you is the heal debuffs

[hallow phoenix]

That debuff was nasty until I broke it up into two pulls

[brittle owl]

i'd argue paladin is also better than warrior

[hallow phoenix]

They are

[brittle owl]

since realistically you can do it in 3 pulls

[hallow phoenix]

Extremely safe

You can actually do it in two I believe if you're fast enough

[brittle owl]

i tried that for memes

got ported all over the place

[hallow phoenix]

Can pull everything up to council as one pull

Shouldn't get ported really if you pull the lower region of the first island first, then go upper and then finally cross the bridge

Everytime I try that on my warrior I get slaughtered though

[brittle owl]

i tried exactly that, running to council first

got giga ported on the bridge

but that was in 8.1

[hallow phoenix]

Weird. I know a pally that used to do FH runs without that issue. Can ask about it

Regardless, that sort of strategy will lead to too fast of clears

[brittle owl]

why would it be 'too' fast? legit q

[hallow phoenix]

You can only do like 10 dungeons an hour before you can't enter a dungeon anymore

A 6 min round trip clear is the fastest you should go really if there's no breaks or anything

Otherwise you end up waiting to zone in and it's frustrating for the client

Often I'll throw in harlan every third run or so to kill time while still generating xp, cause it adds about 45 seconds to the run for me

[brittle owl]

fair enough

[strong forum]

Every run I was part of was harlan kill

All adds including 1st boss

Then all around council

And then all around + harlan

[exotic spoke]

The run I was a part of - same as Nome except we didn’t do first boss

And all around third boss

[sick sentinel]

Hey what's the topic?

[exotic spoke]

Freehold boosting

Tbf were like 2 hours late

[sick sentinel]

Can't you just pull everything

With current gear

[exotic spoke]

I dunno, I don’t do it. I just had a friend boost my horde warrior

[sick sentinel]

Oh

[exotic spoke]

I think HDH and guardians are best for it

[sick sentinel]

I thought prot warr was the best for it

After they nerfed twinks

[exotic spoke]

I haven’t tried it - but I’ll see if I can tonight and give it a shot

That said - I don’t intend to do it as a gold making scheme because then I have to be in FH for two hours

[strong forum]

I only got boosted from 117 to 120 on bear cuz I cba leveling

[exotic spoke]

Right now I just want to get geared on my goblin. Was tanking a few 10/11s this weekend at 400-408 Ilvl

Still have a legion legendary ring on

And yeah pretty much Nome

[lusty nova]

For those that have rank 3 conflict and strife: do you need an arena win each week, or can you get your rating up and just cap conquest on the subsequent weeks?

[warm plinth]

You can just get your rating up and cap conquest

[lusty nova]

Wow, cool, ty

[sick sentinel]

@lusty nova you need to win ONCE a week at that rating

[upper plaza]

Received a 445 Chain of Suffering from weekly, assuming its crap for M+?

[bleak vessel]

Is anyone able to help me out with some prot warrior questions I have?

[warm plinth]

That's what we're here for; ask away

[strong forum]

Chain is many bad

[lusty nova]

Oh wait, so you do need a winm

[warm plinth]

No you don't.

[upper plaza]

That sucks. thanks @strong forum

[strong forum]

You need 1 win a week to get your appropriate loot

[warm plinth]

He's not after appropriate loot

He's after the C&S items

Which don't require a win

[lusty nova]

Just the furors

[strong forum]

It's rating based

And you have 0 rating if you don't win 1 game

[warm plinth]

His question was if he could just get the rating once, and then just cap conquest

Which he can, if all he cares about is the C&S items

[strong forum]

Ye but then it takes more than 3 weeks

[lusty nova]

Yes, I got 1600 last week. Now this week, can I just cap conquest

[bleak vessel]

I've got my rotate good but my brother that has been raiding for a long time says my tank movements are to stiff I just came back to wow after a 2 year break and dont want to do things wrong

[strong forum]

To get all Items

At 1600 you get 5

[warm plinth]

It does anyway unless you get to what, 1600?

[strong forum]

You need 15

[warm plinth]

At 1400 it takes 5 weeks

And at 1k it takes like 15 lol

Or something

[strong forum]

Rather just win 1 game a week at 1600+

For 3 weeks

[lusty nova]

Yes I have 1600 already. I just need to know if I need another 1600 win this week as well?

[warm plinth]

My group has two people farming it on multiple alts right now. And they said you do not need a win to get the essence things

[floral sphinx]

@bleak vessel with experience you will get proper movement with tanking bosses

[warm plinth]

Just get the rating, then cap conquest each week

[bleak vessel]

I'm used to the good old days of hearing hard and face tanking and keeping the boss facing away from the raid team

Gearing hard

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth my healer capped without getting a win and got 1

From her box

[warm plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They've been doing it for a few weeks now and have not reported that issue

[bleak vessel]

So it's not bad to be a little stiff with moving I dont need to bounce all around

[floral sphinx]

Yea some bosses are not just face tank and turn away @bleak vessel

[strong forum]

Just be on the safe side and get 1 win

It's really not hard at 1600

[exotic spoke]

I should pvp more and get it. But fuck me

[sick sentinel]

It literally just takes 10 mins tops

[warm plinth]

I'm glad bosses are not just face tank and turn away sometimes. It'd be ultra boring if it was.

[sick sentinel]

Luckily that option is available to you

Just not on retail

[warm plinth]

lol

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I know - but I could be making gold or playing total war / rim world / other shit.

I guess I should learn arms with my 440 geti / 450 coral / 445 inkpod

[sick sentinel]

:))))

[warm plinth]

Get on that classic train and face tank away

I learned arms well enough to get wins in 3s in like...10-15 minutes. It's pretty simple. If I can do it, you should be pretty successful 😂

[broken isle]

Hey all, new tanking spot opening for 8.3 raid in my guild. Is double prot warr a good idea for raid tanks?

[sick sentinel]

@exotic spoke inkpod only against priests

[floral sphinx]

@bleak vessel it truly depends on the boss your tanking....for example zaqul requires tons of movement and right positioning but orgz you just have to keep him in one spot for the most part

[exotic spoke]

Oh? Is that so?

[strong forum]

I love afk tanking and just get free loot

But classic is a whole 'nother topic of autism

[warm plinth]

Not sure that question can be answered yet Ziggy. What tank comp is viable strongly depends on the fights the raid offers.

Well, viable is the wrong word

What tank comp is strong*

[broken isle]

Idc bout viable per se. Just is it a bad idea? Like the opposite of meta

[bleak vessel]

Since I've been going for 2 years do we even use off tanks anymore?

[warm plinth]

Some raids we're amazing, others we're only kinda meh

The meta changes with the raid is what I'm saying

[exotic spoke]

I mean - as it stands we’re getting an indirect buff. But we have so little information about the raid, or at least I do, that it’s hard to say

I’m going to take a stab and say “yes it fine for most guilds.”

[warm plinth]

If there's a lot of blockable damage, especially tank busters, then we're typically very strong. If it's a lot of magic, not so much.

[broken isle]

Yea with double prot warr I can see a magic heavy fight being rly ugh

But I've read that prot warr isnt totally awful with magic either so asking here

[exotic spoke]

What type of guild are you in Ziggy?

Like what content do you normally end up clearing

[broken isle]

Middle of the pack mythic guild. On orgo prog atm

We dont get CE every tier

[exotic spoke]

You’d be fine imo withdouble prot. That said there would be better combinations.

Personally, as the MT / Officer / raid leader I prefer having different tanks to pull from for situational strengths. Having two of the same tank opens the door for potential problems if that class ends up doing poorly in that tier.

All of the tanks have different strengths and utility options. Being able to pick and choose between two or three classes helps a lot

[mental scarab]

What buffs are we getting?

[warm plinth]

Just vision major proc rate

Increased by 12%

[exotic spoke]

Indirect buff from visions like ghash said

[broken isle]

Thx appreciate it. I can ask the guild to help pool gear to a new tanking toon, but good 2 kno it still is an option

[mental scarab]

Aha

Sweeeeet

[warm plinth]

So we can have Avatar with our Avatar so we can get Avatar while we're Avatared

[exotic spoke]

Ok exzibit

[warm plinth]

☝

[blazing condor]

thoughts on essences? i run VoP in major then Memories and Aegis as minor but im thinking about maybe going nullification dynamo instead. What do you guys prefer? (mostly for m+ btw im not 100 on what to use in raids)

[warm plinth]

VoP major, C&S, lucid, sphere are all pretty good minors. Aegis isn’t bad but C&S is better at like 4 targets once you have R3

Wait. I can’t talk

It’s better than aegis at 7 targets, I think? Idk; Kaege knows

[exotic spoke]

In raids, it depends on what you’re going for. If you don’t need survivability and want to maximize dps you should probably sim yourself. However, it’ll likely come out to be CoF major, vision and null rank 3minor

For m+ I tend to run some combination of vision / undying as major and vision, lucid, aegis, null fornminors. I don’t have CnS or sphere rank 3 otherwise I’d list them there

[warm plinth]

FYI if you can be bothered, I have sphere R1 and still have like 85% uptime on it. R2 increases that a little but you get the full amount of haste on R1 anyway. Worth it if you can be bothered to do an epic battleground lol

[sick sentinel]

It increases from 85% to ~92%

[onyx vessel]

Rank 3 is 100%?

[warm plinth]

No

R3 doesn’t change the minor at all

[onyx vessel]

Damn

[warm plinth]

But I mean, the 8-15% downtime is when mobs aren’t hitting you anyway

[onyx vessel]

True

[warm plinth]

So it’s not really noticeable

[onyx vessel]

I use sphere minor with null for m+

Obv vop major

[warm plinth]

Null is okay, except for in FH probably since it’s like 99% physical damage

[onyx vessel]

Mostly for the week to help on st

That and i was doing 3 kr 10s for geti

Didnt get one

[warm plinth]

Inb4 Riki screenshot

[sick sentinel]

Rank 3 is huge

[onyx vessel]

.........................

[sick sentinel]

Adds 330 speed

To the haste proc

[misty cave]

Dw you'll eventually get it but 430 no socket, so you just need to farm it more 😢

[sick sentinel]

That's 10% speed

[onyx vessel]

Nah just 430 then no more farmin

[sick sentinel]

I don't like null for mplus

[warm plinth]

I’m pretty sure R2 adds the speed Kaege

[onyx vessel]

F

3 is basically useless

Got 50k honor for bote r3 and had a shitload of marks leftover so i was able to buy it so its not all bad

[exotic spoke]

I mean, I could show the screenshot. But everyone already knows - so what’s the point

[warm plinth]

lol

[onyx vessel]

What would i use instead of null

[warm plinth]

C&S

[onyx vessel]

Dont say cns aint getting r2

Bitch

[warm plinth]

lol

Rank 2 is easy to get though

Literally just get 1k rating, GG you have rank 2

[onyx vessel]

Carry me daddy

[warm plinth]

You can't even lose anything at that rating. You will accidentally get it just by playing.

[exotic spoke]

As long as you have a non-zero win percentage anyone can get to 1k

[onyx vessel]

Arenas tho

[exotic spoke]

With enough time

Yeah?

And?

[warm plinth]

I hate PvP too. But it was still easy.

[onyx vessel]

[warm plinth]

And I did it in 3v3 which is harder, and was still able to get 1400 pretty easily on two characters

But R2 is only 1k rating

[strong forum]

Our ret pal did like 35 KRs to get getikku

[warm plinth]

Did most of those 3v3s as prot too 😂

[strong forum]

So not getting one after 3 is nothing

[blazing condor]

is it worth grinding for CaS? : p

[strong forum]

Using CnS on anything but r3 is useless

Or rather wasted

[exotic spoke]

Someone bought a carry for Kr on gallywix for geti.

One of the boosters bonus rolled a geti

[strong forum]

Big

[warm plinth]

Here's the real question

If you had to choose between a 430 merektha and a 430 sporepods, which would you use

[strong forum]

Mere

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth this is wrong

[exotic spoke]

An empty trinket slot

[sick sentinel]

It's legit just wrong

[warm plinth]

I didn't give me the trinkets I have Kaege, don't hate

[sick sentinel]

I am saying about sphere

[warm plinth]

?

[sick sentinel]

The screenshot

[blazing condor]

also how much value does punch-card trinket have? when should i switch it out?

[strong forum]

Depends on the card

[warm plinth]

What punchcard? That's a really open-ended question when we don't know what's in it

[blazing condor]

yeah understandable

[distant crystal]

when people ask without specifying they mean the haste proc

99%

cuz guides

[strong forum]

Probably

[blazing condor]

yeah

[strong forum]

I have no idea how good the haste proc is, never used it but I heard it has huge uptime

[blazing condor]

i got 420 haste proc and haste/mastery

[warm plinth]

Depends on what you consider huge

[strong forum]

Over 30%

[blazing condor]

its 1,2k haste for 12 sec with rather good uptime so it feels pretty strong

other trinket is jes' howler

[warm plinth]

It had an 18.7% uptime in the Tol Dagor I ran last night

[sick sentinel]

Ghash

[warm plinth]

Yes Kaege

[strong forum]

Anything between 20-30% is normal trinket uptime anything lower is unluck, anything higher is huge

To me atleast

[sick sentinel]

The screenshot

You sent

For sphere

[warm plinth]

Yes, I get it Kaege. It's wrong. I didn't write the page.

[distant crystal]

what's wrong about it tho

is the speed for r3 or?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[warm plinth]

The speed is r3 it looks like

[strong forum]

@wowhead then

[distant crystal]

it didn't seem likely that they would have an r3 that does nothing for the minor

[warm plinth]

R2 is increased duration on the slow/haste buff

[distant crystal]

i've heard that the haste uptime is lackluster

[warm plinth]

Well, Rank 4 vision does nothing for my DH, so I didn't think it was outside the realm of possibility

[distant crystal]

is it not on every inbound hit?

[warm plinth]

It is

[distant crystal]

so should be always up when you're fighting eh

[warm plinth]

The only time it's not up is if you're not being hit

It only had 66% in the TD I did because of not being hit on ramparts due to cannons

[distant crystal]

dang next battleground week is nov 19

[warm plinth]

But the dungeon before that was 85%

[distant crystal]

i really should go ahead and get that

i need bote for fury anyhow

[warm plinth]

Yeah r1 is super easy to get

And r2 isn't much harder if you PvP anyway

[distant crystal]

well, i've already gotten bote r3 twice

[warm plinth]

Jesus

[distant crystal]

on rogue when it was 50K and priest when it was 30K

[strong forum]

R4 never does anything but cosmetic

[warm plinth]

No I mean, it literally does nothing for DH

Not even cosmetic.

Apparently they failed to scale the appearance during Meta, so it's like hidden inside the meta model or some shit.

[exotic spoke]

Lol. Prot is barely noticeable imo

[strong forum]

For any class it's barely noticeable

Cuz it's just a tiny 0.5sec swirly that pops up

That's it

[exotic spoke]

Yeah - I was hoping it was more

[brittle owl]

can't expect everything to be perfect tbh

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I mean, I don't care much tbh but thought it was funny when I tried it out. I got it by accident and you don't use Vision for havoc anyway.

[distant crystal]

does everybody get r4 for a no death run

[onyx abyss]

Ye

[warm plinth]

Yeah, as long as they have R3 already

[exotic spoke]

Yes

[warm plinth]

And everyone has to have no deaths not just you

[distant crystal]

well yeah if it was personal i'd already have it :p

feels real bad when you 1shot king mech but somebody died to trash early in the dungeon

such a waste

[warm plinth]

Yikes, imagine dying to Mecha trash

[brittle owl]

how can you

die in mechagon rn?

unless fresh alt or smth

[warm plinth]

Stand in double shockwave or rapid fire basically is the only way

[distant crystal]

that spinny shit too

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah

[distant crystal]

by bondo's yard

[warm plinth]

The gyro thing

I forgot about that

[brittle owl]

what spinny shit

[distant crystal]

the super obvious "better get out of this" thing

[warm plinth]

The bots at the entry of the junkyard do a whirlwind thing

[distant crystal]

that has a wind up

[brittle owl]

o

ye that one tickles

double shockwave is the only gibbing thing tbh

[warm plinth]

Clothies get shredded by rapid fire if they stand in it

[brittle owl]

you can

range it

4head

[warm plinth]

can being the operative word :p

[brittle owl]

i mean

when i said how can you die in mechagib

[warm plinth]

But yeah dying to trash is silly. We had it to where if we died it was because we fucked up the sequenece on the last boss

[brittle owl]

i was excluding having brain damage

[warm plinth]

[brittle owl]

[exotic spoke]

What about having someone die to the fire after kujo?

[warm plinth]

lol, we did have someone die to that once, before we knew it was a thing

Fell right into the furnace

[exotic spoke]

That’s what ruined one of our runs. Was the only death

[warm plinth]

RIP

We got ours purely by accident. We only did it one more time because I was the only one in our group who still needed the mount.

[exotic spoke]

I was drunk on that run but didn’t die at all. One of the sober people fell in

[distant crystal]

does everybody just patchwerk kujo btw

[exotic spoke]

I kick the shit in and we LoS once usually

[distant crystal]

in my first hm run the healer insisted we don't los

and he just pumped

it was great

[warm plinth]

Idk we always play it safe and LoS but he only does like 2? vents anyway

[distant crystal]

tried to get another healer to do that...didn't go well

[exotic spoke]

I’ve had three flawless runs now.

One was for a carry too - completely unintentional

[warm plinth]

We did actually wipe to Kujo on HM our first time because we didn't realize that throwing the poop did damage to everyone

So we were just kinda throwing it in willy nilly instead of only when needed

But the real question Riki

Is do you have the achievement for not getting hit by anything on the gardens fight

[distant crystal]

[warm plinth]

Pro right there

Although wtf is self trimming hedges? Is that what the gears moving around are called?

[distant crystal]

i think so

[warm plinth]

That's the real challenge of Mechagon. Apparently. 😂

we did have one week where the encounter bugged and everything was moving at double speed; that was interesting.

Turbo flame cannons

[sterile mantle]

im debating between Booming voice or Devastator

[distant crystal]

we need a good round of gold emissaries

like 3-4 in a row

i'm poor af

@sterile mantle what content?

devestator is solid for st dps

[sterile mantle]

raid and M+

[distant crystal]

BV everywhere else

[sterile mantle]

been using Devator with RF azerite traight , now uising 3 BoM. 2 CRs and 1 DC

[distant crystal]

bv all day

[warm plinth]

Once you add targets, BV wins

What are your alternatives to CR? A lot of generic traits are better.

[distant crystal]

you can swap to devestator for sivara and ashvane if you feel like it but

i p much just stick with bv always

[sterile mantle]

thats what i was thinking...jsut wanted some opinons

[warm plinth]

Same but I don't raid anyway so I have no real cause to run Deva XD

[sterile mantle]

gonna have to get used to a new ability ion my bar lol

[distant crystal]

the few times i have run devestator