protection

[ionic fern]

In what situations?

Brew is the "alpha" tank in raiding scenarios and their DPS is comparable to prot.
Utility wise they are both decent with Brew maybe pulling slightly ahead.

The thing that makes Brew so good is that it's very forgiving of mistakes due to stagger. So if you mess up a mechanic or your ISB you are more likely to still survive than other tanks.

[worn socket]

Well I was listening to dratnos’ podcast and they were talking about how brew is more survivable and forgiving, handles emissaries better, and does better single target damage which is more important this season

And that that is why most high pushing tanks are Brew

[ionic fern]

🤷
Makes sense since it's literally what i just said.

😂

The key phrase here is "high pushing tanks".

[strong forum]

All you just mentioned is true

Ysd

But I don't know about pulling more ST dmg

[brittle owl]

tanks are super close on ST this patch

[strong forum]

Ye it's hard to tell

[brittle owl]

in raid at least

the only ones slightly trailing behind are dh and bear

but like

not by much

neglijable difference

[strong forum]

In a normal non-parse setting I think prot still pulls ahead of monk

Aka m+

[brittle owl]

yeah

[strong forum]

In terms of pure dmg output

If that helps you @worn socket

[brittle owl]

a better picture will be had next patch

if they don't include benthic bs

[strong forum]

Will be weird to see tanks pull less dmg in nyalotha than in EP due to benthic being lost

Atleast top parses

[brittle owl]

nah

the ilvl jump will make up for it

but the jump in dps wont be as big as it was

[strong forum]

Ye but it's not gonna be huge I reckon, benthic memes alone are like 4k dps

[brittle owl]

8.1 to 8.2

[strong forum]

I'm not running them, that's why I'm like 5k sim dps behind

[brittle owl]

ye its something around that

depending on spec

[strong forum]

Ye I sim 34.3k

[brittle owl]

full benthic would prob put you at 38-39

idk if anyone broke 40k sim

[strong forum]

With full rf + BfI and rezans you do

But im 3x BoM 2x MS 1x DC

[brittle owl]

on a 5 min fight i doubt

[strong forum]

🤷 haven't done too much memes

[brittle owl]

sivarra 40k+ logs all have favorable less than 5 min kill times

idk man, i don't consider pushing damage, especially single target, as memes

[strong forum]

Ye boosts kill time is 2:48 or some shit

[brittle owl]

since it's all usefull damage

[strong forum]

Going full rf + benthic is memes to me

[ionic fern]

😒

[brittle owl]

if you don't die

might as well

if shit doesn't kill you, kill it faster

[strong forum]

I hate dropping 20-30 ilvl for shit

Cuz it shouldn't be

That's why I don't buy into it

[brittle owl]

it's just a number 🤷

it's not like it has that big of an impact

[ionic fern]

Eeh, it's just his PoV and/or way of playing the game i guess.

[brittle owl]

i mean

true

[tame garden]

Avoiding bis is the meme way to play

[strong forum]

Ye, I hate broken shit

[brittle owl]

why

those are fun

[ionic fern]

if you weren't avoiding bis we would all be playing BRM.

[strong forum]

^

[brittle owl]

brm is the wrong type of broken doe

i realise this is retarded, but hey

[oblique garnet]

Lets just hope that for next tier there isnt a giga polearm like there is now so brm wont beat us in damage

[strong forum]

On the 1st boss mind you

[odd ledge]

brews will use sivara weapon until next xpac likely

so yea, fall off in damage

if generic traits are good bdk will be there in ST damage

geti scaling :<

[brittle owl]

there's still the hatchet

so nbd

just farm wcm

[worn socket]

Thanks for the input guys

Definitely going to stick with my Prot warrior

My goal is to complete a 20 and I feel like my team is good enough. We have a good comp and mythic raiders so it’s gonna moreso be about learning to play with each other and whatnot

I just really enjoyed my warrior and didn’t want to reroll to my monk haha

[tight tree]

warriors

Brew is fun class to play but not as fun as warrior

[strong forum]

Monk is gonna fall off next patch with the nerfs

In terms of m+

[marble cipher]

^

(if it goes live as is)

[strong forum]

So if you only start to roll monk now cuz it's fotm for m+, you're gonna have a bad time

[tight tree]

Isnt brew very strong mainly because of certain trinkets healing? They also nerfing ox spheres so selfheals will take a hit

[strong forum]

Well I have those trinkets too

[tight tree]

(im out of loop on monks)

[strong forum]

But monk is strong because they scale better

[oblique garnet]

Monk is gonna fall of next m+ season because the affix changes

[strong forum]

And they are very good vs emissaries

RoP is broken vs enchanted and tides emissary

[oblique garnet]

And stagger is stupid vs void

[zinc gorge]

Glad I stuck with Prot warrior all this time lol, Played a monk to 120, had less fun dungeoning as a brew monk.

[strong forum]

That too I guess

Just stay true to yourself, if you enjoy warri over monk don't bother switching unless you don't enjoy it

If you enjoy monk over warri play monk

[tight tree]

I rolled monk for prog start of BfA then stopped playing the game for 2 months

[strong forum]

Simple as that

We lost 4 raiders cuz they picked up monk

And quit cuz it's soo boring

[tight tree]

I love how it flows

and WW is anything but boring imo but that is preference

[strong forum]

It's always preference

[tight tree]

Warriors still > all

[strong forum]

But it's also no coincidence

[oblique garnet]

I mean i have both monk and warrior

[zinc gorge]

I mean windwalker can be fun, in a way. But I would prefer fury apm with Lucid Reckless

[strong forum]

Don't get me started on fury

[oblique garnet]

Outside of prog raiding my monk is ww

[strong forum]

Raided my first night on vdh yesterday

Quite hard to deal any dmg

[marble cipher]

I tank on monk and warrior, enjoy both of the specs, so yeah, very much personal preference.
However, I don't like the outlook for monk in muhplus 8.3...
So, will play my warrior a bit more I guess, we'll see

[strong forum]

I have to spam taunt on opener to not lose aggro

[worn socket]

Could I get a link to the proposed changes?

[strong forum]

Wowhead class changes for 8.3

[tight tree]

mmoc frontpage

[zinc gorge]

I still need to do actual raiding for my warrior, unfortunately I work night shifts most of the time

[strong forum]

Vdh on orgo is big monkaS as boss tank, manageable but scary

[analog swift]

as someone who reroll from warrior to monk for raid

excited for monks to get a bit of nerf

want to play my warrior again

[strong forum]

Monk will still be better for progging

[analog swift]

yeah ofc

but the gap should be smaller

[strong forum]

Its more m+ directed nerfs

[analog swift]

i mean

yes

but I want to play my warrior in M+ as well

I love 8.2 but rop is just way to fucking good right now

[strong forum]

The gap is relatively small, but you can't fix monk for raiding unless you rework it entirely

[analog swift]

tbh that and being a little better against magic damage really does change the game

[strong forum]

Spell reflect does also

[zinc gorge]

Also is 421 Ilvl fine for normal/heroic EP? Kind of want to try doing that raid on one of my days off.

[analog swift]

yeah ofc but outside the very highest it's not necessary to time keys, it's great but not exactly necessary

yes

[strong forum]

@zinc gorge 421 is more than plenty

[tight tree]

@zinc gorge 421 enough for heroic

😉

[analog swift]

also monk synergizes so well with resto druid and urchin as well

whereas for warrior it's the urchin is either overhealing or doing jack shit

[zinc gorge]

Coolio, I just need to progress more on essences then, Been running world vein main with lucid as minor. Still haven’t AP’d enough for third slot cause I spent a couple of months to focus on college essays lol.

So I am a bit out of loop for what essences to run for the most part.

[tight tree]

It is all on icy vein guide (in pins)

[analog swift]

most take vop (mechagon) lucid dreams (nazjatar) sphere (one bg one epic bg one island) and conflict (1K rated in 2s for one week)

[zinc gorge]

Well I’ve got three out of the four then lol. I’ll def work on getting them ranked up, just kind of annoyed at having to rep grind another two factions.

[inland mesa]

What's more annoying is thinking about doing it again on alts

My monk is like a 66 neck and has world vein and....crucible

[zinc gorge]

Yeah, With my 7 alts that are all basically 385/390 with a 410 resto Druid lol.

[inland mesa]

I dont understand why there isnt a mechanic like if your main has them all at purple you get them all at blue on other characters then you still have to grind some but not all the ridiculous all

[analog swift]

well

the problem with that is let's say you have rank 3 null barrier

[zinc gorge]

I think that would just make the game too easy to grind tbh.

[analog swift]

does your alt get revered? immediately?

I think the whole "my alts should have it" is fucking stupid

tbh

[strong forum]

@analog swift urchin doesn't overheal

[analog swift]

it's no different than gear or trinkets

or azerite gear

[strong forum]

It's smart healing

[inland mesa]

Its significantly more time

[zinc gorge]

It’s a sacrifice you have to make pretty much

[analog swift]

nah you can get rank 3 null barrier in two weeks

[strong forum]

And urchin still does over 3k hps for warrior

So idk how you think it does Jack shit

[inland mesa]

And forcing you to do potential content you don't enjoy again and again on other chatacters

[analog swift]

that's a different problem

it's content you don't like

i think that's the real problem

i'm of the opinion that juts beause you did something on your main doesn't mean your other shitty fresh 120s should have it

[strong forum]

Nobody likes the essence grind cuz you just want to have fun on alts, not play them in a serious manner but you can't

[analog swift]

like I should hit 120, then walk into a heroic dungeon and beam the fuck out of packs

that's stupid

[inland mesa]

Like my monk is 441 66 neck and has done bare minimum this tier, weekly 10, only emissaries with AP, phone AP. To get it full ready I would have to dump a ton of time into it on top of that

[analog swift]

no you don't

[zinc gorge]

The only reason why I bother with leveling to 120 is so I can decide for the expac what I want to main and what to sub. I then stick to gearing two characters for the most part and playing the others when I feel bored and want to play something different.

[analog swift]

I have two chars, 67/69 neck, rank 3 null barrier and rank 3 purification protocl on both

i got my monk

then whenever i felt like it i did dailies on my warrior

my monk was done with mecha three weeks into the tier

it's now been like 8 weeks

[strong forum]

Cuz you play both actively

[analog swift]

i mean

kind of

[strong forum]

Typical alts you don't play actively

[analog swift]

but not really I play my monk 90% of th etime

[jade thorn]

Best idea I've seen is once you get the essence achievement your alts can get r1 essences

[strong forum]

You only swing on them for fun here and there

Ye but you grinded it

Instantly

[analog swift]

then you shouldn't have BiS essences if it's for fun here and there

that's my problem with people saying it should be account bound. Yes I grinded out and earned perfectly statted crafted gear

that doesn't mean I should get that on my alts

[strong forum]

Essences are a minimum requirement for many specs to even work, even though you have everything else

[analog swift]

ok great, you get flame rank 3 for free pretty much

you get beam rank 2 from failing a 7 key

[strong forum]

No

[analog swift]

you're halfway there

[strong forum]

What about null, aegis, lucid

[inland mesa]

Who is using beam in a tank channel o.O

[strong forum]

That's 3 weeks of asslicking

[analog swift]

null takes legit, one week of doing dailies for 20 minutes to get rank 1

you don't need fucking rank 3 tho

"waahhh i want my character I only want to play sometimes to have Best in slot!!!!"

some of these essences will literally be BiS for the entire expansion

[inland mesa]

I mean the way you come off sounds more like waahhh than anything else

[strong forum]

Ye was about to say

[inland mesa]

Waahhh I grinded 2+ characters hard so everyone else should suffer

[analog swift]

ok

no

i'm saying it's not hard

and it doesn't take time

I grindined out BOTE

and that should be WAY easier

[inland mesa]

You just said bull takes at least 3 weeks

[strong forum]

Great there's people that grinded bote 4x

[inland mesa]

Where I'm from, that's known as time

[analog swift]

of coruse

i'm using that as an example that I don't just want people to suffer

it's an example

I think that should absolutely be easier, rank 3 should legit be 10-15K honor when the beam is from failing a 10

[strong forum]

You don't get shit if you fail it

Fuck me

[analog swift]

from your chest?

you don't get the animas you combine?

[strong forum]

You don't get shit

If you don't time it

[analog swift]

that's not true

in your weekly chest?

[strong forum]

Gl getting r1 without timing it

[inland mesa]

I mean 10s arent hards that's a completely separate discussion

[analog swift]

you're right rank 1 you have to time a 4

[strong forum]

Ye but he specifically mentions failing

And beam is dogshit for most

[analog swift]

ok

that's nonsense

[strong forum]

So is anime

[analog swift]

it's absolutely not dogshit

that's just nonsense and you know that

[inland mesa]

It's about finding a middle between redo the whole damn thing, or you did the full grind once have a bunch of Lego essences theres a consolation prize as you only have to do a bit more to get other characters caught up

It's the same as AP catch up mechanics

[strong forum]

The only classes that I know that uses beam is hunter Dh and warlock

[analog swift]

I mean slight catchup for rep stuff, yeah I can feel that, tabards and all that makes sense

just because it's not BiS doesn't make it dogshit

[strong forum]

Kinda does

[analog swift]

LOL

ok

[strong forum]

To me

[inland mesa]

I can make all the dumb rep things for mechagon, it's more the do pvp on a tank character I know nothing about, weeks upon weeks of raid essence, etc.

[analog swift]

then warriors are dogshit, because they aren't the best tanks

right @strong forum

[zinc gorge]

Catch up mechanics are just a delicate thing to deal with in general since it can break how a game progresses. Also you don’t have to pvp as tank for tank essence, just swap to tank loot spec when you go to turn in quest

[strong forum]

No, bdk is

And vdh

Yet I still play vdh

Big think

[analog swift]

but

you said if it's not best

it's dogshit

[strong forum]

Yeah so

[analog swift]

warriors are not best

so warriors are dogshit

[ionic fern]

[misty cave]

K I S S and M A K E U P

[analog swift]

i mean homeboy just has the dumb

[strong forum]

Na he's just tilted for the sake of being tilted

[inland mesa]

💩

[analog swift]

i mean that logic follows, you said if it's not best it's dogshit

so i'm asking if warriors aren't the best, then they're dog shit?

[misty cave]

You forgot the part where he said "to me"

[analog swift]

rigt

so TO HIM

[strong forum]

Something can be dogshit and still be fun

[analog swift]

are warriors dog shit

[ionic fern]

Opinions,opinions. .if he thinks that let him think that..

[strong forum]

^

[exotic spoke]

Hi friends

[analog swift]

sure sure so is your opinion that warriros are dogshit

hey riki

[inland mesa]

We dont need logic in here Mwahi ;)

[strong forum]

I don't think warri is dogshit that's what you are saying

[analog swift]

sup bb

but wait, warriors aren't best

[exotic spoke]

So how about that local sportsball

[strong forum]

Idc about classes

[analog swift]

how about stylebender fucking up bobby knuckles on saturday

[misty cave]

FREE HONG KONG

[analog swift]

moves goalposts

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[strong forum]

Imagine being this tilted

[analog swift]

i mean

not tilted

[strong forum]

Of me saying smth you don't agree with

[analog swift]

i'm just seeing if you're logic follows throug

it doesn't

so i know this convo is a waste of time

[strong forum]

It doesn't need to

[analog swift]

kkkkkk

[misty cave]

I think r/iamverysmart is leaking

[ionic fern]

Then stop having this convo. It won't lead anywhere.

[analog swift]

yeah i'm good

[misty cave]

Go do some push-ups m8

Beef up that pro pic

For the ladiez

[analog swift]

nah gotta go to court first then after

[inland mesa]

More alt essences to grind 😄

The azshara grind is boring as hell my god

[analog swift]

can someone help me spell acknowledgment

is that right

[inland mesa]

Every pull is like please stop dying to bouncing balls or beam, or can we not get beckon and dispel right

[exotic spoke]

Looks correct theseus

[analog swift]

dysleixc lawyer life man

it's rough

[stoic pilot]

Gotta say the one thing I didn’t expect is a “lawyer” asking for spell check on the warrior discord lmao

[analog swift]

hahaha figured it' d b quicker

also riki looks like next tier warriors are back on the menu bb

time to get those FATTY spell reflects

[stoic pilot]

I’m excited for the visions proc rate buff, and then the new tank essence

Minor is like a budget Urchin but still good

[exotic spoke]

I’ve never not been on the menu. Benefit of being officer / tank lead 🙂

That said, I have two other tanks and will not make the raid suffer by using a terrible tanking comp. if something that we can do is drastically better and it involves sitting me for a fight - then guess I’m sitting

Going to get my horde warrior up to 120 tonight and hopefully to 430 minimum by end of next week.

[stoic pilot]

Idk I mean

I think tank choice can help but you have to be really high up there for it to even matter

Look at blood legion in Uldir progging mythic with a vengeance DH

[frosty holly]

So Explosive really don't work for warriors anymore?

To get Victory Rush that is

[exotic spoke]

All tanks are viable. But some are more viable than others based on utility / design (for a given fight)

IE doing coven in legion without a BDK was just annoying

[stoic pilot]

You mean aggramar?

[exotic spoke]

Pretty sure coven was too. With being able to grip the wall to Narnia to get more time

[stoic pilot]

I don’t recall coven being stupid for non Dk. We killed it with DH / druid

[exotic spoke]

Your guild is probably better at mechanics than mine

[strong forum]

Ye explosives no longer give VR

Unless it's a bug that hasn't been acknowledged

But it's broken anyway

[frosty holly]

Pure evil. My week utterly ruined, waited for this to come around again

[strong forum]

If it was intended to work

[stoic pilot]

On the note of explosives

[frosty holly]

Ye. Immortal during this week :p

[strong forum]

Ye I was planning to get 40k overall hps this week

[stoic pilot]

Does explosive deaths trigger vampiric speed?

[frosty holly]

normaly*

[exotic spoke]

I’m sad but yeah - whomp whomp

[frosty holly]

It gives death knights Dark succor still tho

tiny reee

[exotic spoke]

That said - last night as I got to 112 it dawned on me I’d have to get essences on my horde warrior 😭

[zinc gorge]

Rip

But here is a controversial topic: Prot warrior pvp

[warm plinth]

I had a 50% win ratio doing 3s last night on my prot war lul

[exotic spoke]

Went 11 and 2 when I did 2s to get to 1k

Maledict, cyclo, CoF, and single target dps gear

[zinc gorge]

Hah I don’t have a rank cause the only person I did 2s with left wow for D2 rip

[warm plinth]

We did prot war, disc priest and frost mage.

It was fun.

[zinc gorge]

That sounds like hell for the people fighting you three lol

[exotic spoke]

World pvp, island pvp, were solid

[zinc gorge]

Frost kiting with Prot defensives lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah the two melee comps were getting frustrated as hell. I would just safeguard/bodyguard their target during CDs and they couldn’t do shit lol

[exotic spoke]

Have stupid control and solid damage + good survivability

Thunderstruck, stuns, safeguard, fear

[zinc gorge]

I remember when you could make intercept reduce a target’s damage taken by 90% lol

[warm plinth]

Yep. I’m pretty sure one of the resto druids we fought hates prot warriors now. We just hard focused him. Every time he tried to travel form wild charge away from me, a thunderstruck root would stop him mid air

[zinc gorge]

As a pvp talent

Also ye the root is really good for surprise cc, I love stopping monks and DH with it

[warm plinth]

We blew up a holy paladin unexpectedly in one game. He didn’t even bubble. Probably wasn’t expecting our priest to do like 200k in 5 seconds. Schism and cyclo combo is disgusting

We’re low af rated though so it’s not like we were facing geniuses. It was super fun though.

[zinc gorge]

Schism is surprisingly good as a disc priest, more damage is more damage which is also more healing at the same time lol

But ye Prot can be good in arenas, I just don’t have anyone to do rated arenas with cause most of my friends either went to destiny 2 or are not into pvp/raiding lol

[warm plinth]

Spriest/destruction lock is so stupid though. Never won a match against them.

[exotic spoke]

World pvp / islands / bgs we can still do well too

[zinc gorge]

I did islands with a small group who wanted to do the quest, we ran fury, Frost, and Holy Pally and just AoE’d everything before the enemy side could gank lol

[strong forum]

Does prot do dmg in arena?

Never bothered to try

I just always stomp as arms

Or do you do dps + prot

Cuz I can't see how prot + healer could kill anything

[exotic spoke]

Yes Nome. We can do very good damage. We survive, the fights last a while, but against melee comps you can do very well

[zinc gorge]

Not as much as arms or fury but yeah kind of, Mainly ran Ret with Prot or Warlock with Prot.

[exotic spoke]

I was always close to damage done of a warrior / rogue / hunter / physical class

[strong forum]

Ye but with a healer or a dps

Is the question

In 2s

Prot + ret sounds disgusting BTW

[exotic spoke]

I did with a healer - hpal

[strong forum]

Anything + ret is disgusting

Tbh :D

[zinc gorge]

I ran Ret with Prot lol

[strong forum]

Ret is so insane in pvp

[zinc gorge]

Then my Ret pally friend rage quit after fighting Rogue Mage and got CC’d to death despite my attempts to stop the death lol

[exotic spoke]

Ended up playing around 1850-1900.

Casters could be bad. Shaman / lock was one of our losses. Ret and unholy was the other

[zinc gorge]

He was undergeared so it wasn’t much for him to get bursted

[strong forum]

I'm at 2.1k mmr so idk if prot can kill there

[zinc gorge]

Probs not

[warm plinth]

I was fairly frequently top DPS in the arenas we did actually

Mostly against double melee though so obviously cleave damage

[strong forum]

Meeting double dps is so rare

[warm plinth]

Mine were in 3s though, not 2s like you were talking about

[strong forum]

And if I do it rogue + mage

[warm plinth]

So double melee is pretty common

[strong forum]

Ye

[exotic spoke]

Probably not Nome. I used to be good at pvp. Now I’m old and washed up. I just wanted CnS. Now I have to conquest cap and win an arena for a bit >.>

Though I probably should learn arms / fury for pvp with the gear I’ve picked up recently

[warm plinth]

Yeah I chose a 2 hander from the conq reward; was thinking about doing arms next time we do arenas

[exotic spoke]

440 + 430 geti, 450 coral, 445 inkpod

[frosty holly]

Actually asked a GM about the Explo not giving Victory rush got this as a response "Seems to be unintended and currently under investigation!"

[warm plinth]

Yeah, not surprised

[exotic spoke]

Surprised a GM commented on it.

Doubt it’ll be fixed in time

[warm plinth]

Yeah it'll be fixed in a couple of months

[frosty holly]

Just give it to me next time so i can be OP!

[zinc gorge]

Also is it bad that I like running panda warrior? lol

[sand egret]

Yes, but it's part bear so you get partial credit.

[zinc gorge]

Coolio

[exotic spoke]

Swear to god blade

Stop your bear propaganda

[tame garden]

🐻

[terse wedge]

its quite unbearable

[sand egret]

you say that Riki, yet who's the one with a bear profile pic?

[exotic spoke]

@tame garden I’m on to your ways of bearcatting

Cause that’s me irl

Obv. I’m asadpanda for most games I play

[tame garden]

🐻 🐱

[sand egret]

🐱 🐻 *

[tame garden]

Cant properly meme on this discord smh

No custom emotes

[exotic spoke]

Tell me about it speg.

Check guardian

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

[ivory barn]

would arms or fury be the better OS for prot?

[exotic spoke]

Depends what you want to do and honestly also depends on what gear you have. I don’t know stat priorities for fury / arms but depending on what your highest Ilvl is (since that’s what you pretty much use as prot ) I could see it fluctuating

[ivory barn]

True, didnt look at it like that. Thanks. I do have a LOT of gear in my bags

[exotic spoke]

Probably fury but I’d ask the dps specs that question

[strong forum]

In terms of gearing arms is the same as prot

Fury wants mastery focused gear

[ivory barn]

i played fury before switching to main prot and it was nothing but crit gear

[strong forum]

But arms is 50x as much fun, but also harder

Fury is easier

[ivory barn]

did it really go from crit heavy to wanting mastery in less this raid tier?>

[strong forum]

Pretty sure you want crit mastery

[sick sentinel]

@strong forum mastery is bad for fury what

You want haste crit as fury

Exactly what prot wants

@ivory barn nomeratur has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about

Like, negative clue

[agile cape]

I stack mastery as fury

and I do well

my heroic parses are full blue

[bronze lantern]

blue? noob

[agile cape]

What do you mean?

blue is above average

[terse wedge]

Wait, prot wants haste crit?

i thought it was haste vers

[ivory barn]

so @sick sentinel the stats for fury were the same as they were before Tier tEP right? thats the last time I played Fury

cause if thats the case i'll OS fury

[exotic spoke]

@terse wedge haste vers for survivability in raids. In m+ it changes since the rng of parry is mitigated slightly by volume of attacks and several of us are gearing for dps

[strong forum]

I'm fury expert what do you mean

I played the spec while leveling for 30minutes

[exotic spoke]

I’m the true expert. I have two geti’ikkus

[tardy surge]

Doesnt eplosive orbs give VR anymore?

[sick sentinel]

it's a bug

it's gonna be fixed soon tm

[wicked meteor]

What essences should i be using if im main tanking Orgo M

[distant crystal]

i wonder if a diver's folly would be worth a damn for prot

[warm plinth]

Isn't that an agi weapon?

[west kayak]

It is.

[distant crystal]

yeah i think fdks were using it in some situations

[warm plinth]

I'd say sim it but I don't know enough about simc to know if it would have to be specifically submitted/added for prot sims to be able to do that

[keen sapphire]

i understand you go for high ilevel for gear but what do you prio on rings?

[warm plinth]

Higher ilevel mostly. Might drop 5-10 for a socket but that's about it. If you're worried about only damage, you can sim it.

[strong forum]

@wicked meteor regular ones, I used CoF to push boss dmg to phase him quicker.
Make sure to have last stand up when you start taking him and maybe inform your healers on comms so they know you're about to get dicked.

The few hits until 4 stacks o the debuff are the scary part, past that you should be more than fine. If you have 2x / 3x BoM avatar is like a defensive cooldown vs him cuz you're critblocking like crazy and you notice it

[brittle ledge]

hello, i am progressing on orgozoa and i get hits from boss like 400k

even with 5 stacks of debuff from boss

is it normal?

[rocky umbra]

link logs

[brittle ledge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Aa63WqYbz9JXm72G/#fight=21&type=damage-taken&source=107&view=events&ability=1

[rocky umbra]

bruh this is prot warrior channel

[brittle ledge]

yes

i am a protection warrior 🙂

[rocky umbra]

you linked a dh

getting melees

[brittle ledge]

my bad

let me find it

[rocky umbra]

its ok i got it

you need to shield block way more

[brittle ledge]

i am using last stand when i get the boss

and use the SB after

as soon it drops

LS works as shield block as well, right?

[rocky umbra]

yeh

[strong forum]

Yes

[rocky umbra]

if you are running bolster

[strong forum]

You last stand -> SB SB SB
Use demo shout on CD

[rocky umbra]

you are taking completely unblocked hits

[brittle ledge]

save demo shout for when tanking boss right

no need when i am on adds

or use SB when on adds either

as we using 3 tanks

[strong forum]

Well I use It to pad on adds, SB you safe up

But Demo should line up anyway

[rocky umbra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Aa63WqYbz9JXm72G/#fight=29&type=damage-taken&source=106&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%24164486121.0.0.Warrior%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24132404|12975&ability=1

[strong forum]

So does avatar

If you have to, cover SB gaps with shieldwall

And / or call for externals

[ionic fern]

Those unmitigated hits ain't the end of the world., The avg is 177k with just one of them being a big hitter. (360k)

You just gotta know when you can take a unmitigated hit and when not.

[rocky umbra]

it was kind of his question though

[strong forum]

Cant believe mwahi is dead.

Okay then, yes @brittle ledge big hits at 5 stacks can still occur

If you have literally nothing up

[rocky umbra]

prot warrior with no block is kinda paper

[strong forum]

It's fine

So is vdh bdk guardian and pally

[rocky umbra]

fairly sure all those take less dmg baseline, no?

except paladin maybe

[strong forum]

No

Vdh gets fucking trucked

So gets bdk

[rocky umbra]

doesnt vengeance have like 20% dr baseline on top of armor now

or some shit

[strong forum]

Vdh gets 1shot from orgo without externals or CDs lined up

When I start on vdh on orgov

I need fiery brand, demon spikes and pain sup / cocoon

To not die insta

Or open literally with meta + fiery brand and spikes

Otherwise im just dead

And vdh can still die to orgo even with 6+ stacks

Very easily

[brittle ledge]

ty for the tips

its going better now actually

we progressed

[rocky umbra]

that sounds a bit overkill but i havent had a veng dh tank for a while

we had a veng tank for first week

[strong forum]

@rocky umbra vdhs base armor got buffed by 20% they took armor away from demon spikes and put it to base.

[rocky umbra]

for lack of other

[strong forum]

They have no base DR

And no its no overkill, I literally tanked on vdh yesterday, it works , just need to rely on healers way more

[rocky umbra]

ofc it works

we had a vengeance tank orgozoa first week and it was fine

only needed one external per swap

[strong forum]

That's what I listed

[rocky umbra]

you said pain sup and cocoon

[strong forum]

Pain sup / cocoon

Means or

Not and

[rocky umbra]

👀

[strong forum]

And your vdh might be better than me

Cuz it's literally only an Alt I play for 1hr a week

[sand egret]

uh

Nom

i hate to break it to ya..

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=203513/demonic-wards

[strong forum]

🤷

[sand egret]

you sure sounded confident tho, ill give ya that

[strong forum]

Can only say what I know

[sand egret]

and it was buffed from 10% - 15% in 8.2

[strong forum]

Was it now

[sand egret]

yes.

[rocky umbra]

ya i think vdh is taking less damage unmitigated than prot warrior because of that but i dont have any numbers to back it up, but prot warrior also has access to more blocks than demon spikes so 🤷

[sand egret]

in addition to the base armor increase of 20% (80-100)

[strong forum]

I mean vdh still has 10k armor less than warri

[sand egret]

prob not

[rocky umbra]

no

[sand egret]

the shield gives a ton of armor

[rocky umbra]

like 4k less i think

assuming equal gear

[sand egret]

in addition to plate

[strong forum]

I have 5.6k armor on vdh at 442 ilvl

And like 15k armor on warri

What do you mean

[sand egret]

a 450 leather azerite helm gives 407 armor. The same plate one gives 893 armor. DH's get an increased base armor of 100% due to wards, putting them close to being in Plate. However, they don't use shields. A 445 shield gives an additional 3175 armor.

Monks only get a 25% increase to base armor, but like Stagger. Bear Form is a 220% increase putting them similar to plate and shield in armor values.

BDK's....well they are plate sans the shield so actually closer to DH's in that respect

[strong forum]

Ontop strength granting armor

Aswell

[sand egret]

agil does that

[strong forum]

Ah

Never paid attention to that

[sand egret]

it's baked into DS

60* agil/100

versus warriors just....have it

[strong forum]

Ye

That's why the base armor is the highest of all tanks

[pulsar crypt]

Ok I am tired of farming for benthics, I got late to the expansion (about 1 month ago). So I will switch to the "fun" spec. Will you accept me?

[strong forum]

Everybody is welcome

[sick sentinel]

@pulsar crypt no

[strong forum]

Unluck

You heard the man

👉 🚪

[pulsar crypt]

I know I couldn't left my pass behind so easily

past*

[exotic spoke]

Rip

Kaege is a stone cold killer

[sick sentinel]

@pulsar crypt jk ❤

[sand egret]

digging into these tank passives now....makes me kinda pissed

wtb good DR scaling

fuckin Vanguard is OP as hell

[strong forum]

i mean its been buffed 3 times from 8.0 to now

or like 4 times

[sand egret]

warrior base is basically bear with a perma stack of IF

[strong forum]

its been buffed by 15 or 20% ever since bfa launch

[sand egret]

and it's like....yeah let's add block on top of that

[strong forum]

armor and stam

[sand egret]

and wonder why they are fucking gods against physicals

[strong forum]

good times to be a warri

[sand egret]

most def

[strong forum]

amazing design, great flow and fun

[sand egret]

although honestly, DH's are going to be monsters in 8.3 if this scaling continues

[strong forum]

what i want for Dh

is lucid to recharge Demon spikes

that would literally fix everything

[sand egret]

well haste values are going to only get hihger

[strong forum]

and make dh insane

[sand egret]

in addition to mastery already making DS a fucking insane cooldown as it'll dip into agility scaling as well

and let's give em death strike on top of it

and Meta.

[sick sentinel]

deathstrike?

[sand egret]

SPB is basically DS

[strong forum]

spb isnt as strong as ds

[sand egret]

way more spammable

[strong forum]

and needs more of a setup

[sand egret]

ehh

soul gen is on par with runic power gates

and in meta it aint even close

as you SpB like every other gcd

[strong forum]

dh is immortal during meta

literally immortal during meta

its amazing

[sand egret]

200% extra base armor and double your hp, when you got a % based heals

hek

[strong forum]

and you gen 3 souls from fracture

[sand egret]

yeah it's dumb

[strong forum]

its great

[sand egret]

glad they got some love tho

poor DKs

[strong forum]

dk can rot if you ask me

fucking 3 apm spec

[sand egret]

i mean..they kinda are

they are dead after all

[strong forum]

😏

na but i wish they would get better azerite traits

[sand egret]

also makes you laugh at the fact that BrM only gets a 25% base increase to their armor....yet Stagger carries them SO hard

[strong forum]

i just wish they'd increase ST dmg from classes itself with less outside sources for classes like vdh and bear

like i cant even break 20k dps

as vdh

sure im not nearly as good

[sand egret]

sounds like a yo thing tbh

🙂

you*

but coming from having a CD like Avatar to...not having one....is rough

controlled burst is just so valuable

[strong forum]

i mean all top dmg parses for vdh come from stacking undulating tides, benthic and the typical trinkets

[sand egret]

yeah...

that's kinda how ya do it

[strong forum]

no what i mean is

i can still do 25k+ as warri without stacking parsing stuff

[sand egret]

but you have BoM?

[strong forum]

even with parsing stuff vdh can barely break 30k

[sand egret]

if not i bet you'd be stacking UT too

[strong forum]

still kinda sucks

[uncut prairie]

Are DH tanks doing better now then?

[strong forum]

theyre getting steadily better yes

theres vdhs out there doing +20s

And on some fights could imagine vdh actually being stronger than warriors, mostly court and azshara coming to mind

[hallow phoenix]

Plus you're a demon boi with wings

[strong forum]

That's a huge +

Ontop of generally being very fun to play

But that's subjective

[grizzled junco]

Cursed Lover 415 (277 haste, 208 vers) or shorting bit band (388 haste, 97 mast)?

[stoic pilot]

I remember seeing Avade play vengeance in m+ and the only reason he was; was because all the tanks he used to play with quit to play classic lol

He was running that meme vision gluttony build and seemed pretty ridiculous

[hallow phoenix]

@grizzled junco I would go with the shorting bit band for m+ and the cursed lover for raids

Assuming equal ilvl

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret will VDH just magically get better because of higher ilvl resulting in higher haste on gear so getting actual fucking demon spikes uptime ?

in the new patch

[chilly brook]

@stoic pilot Vision/Gluttony is a viable build, it's better survivability wise compared to running Spirit Bomb, you just don't have control over the activation which kinda sucks but it's still good

[sharp night]

there's not enough haste on gear at any gear level for DS to have that high of an uptime

without procs

[sick sentinel]

What about aoe threat @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

It's a DPS loss for sure but not that huge of a loss tbh

[oblique garnet]

Vdh is fine atm

[chilly brook]

Everything else you do is an AoE anyways

[oblique garnet]

All the tanks are fine atm tbh

[chilly brook]

That's why I laugh when pugs try to blame refreshing bursting on me

It's like "sure lemme just not do anything and let myself die and cause a wipe for everyone"

[rapid trench]

so does specing into impending and back out make explosives give victory rush again or not?

[undone sun]

Doesn't seem so

https://ptb.discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/631702101952561156

[rapid trench]

ah cheers, I started typing before using hte search function

:D

[warm plinth]

@rapid trench someone said they put in a ticket and the GM said it was not intended and was being looked into

[zinc gorge]

Ik into the fray is the best choice for Prot warrior, but I do want to know if Impending can be useful say for self sustain during bosses on M+? Or is it just better to have the extra 15% haste?

[warm plinth]

It's more than 15%. And Impending is shit

[grand drum]

your healer can heal you

[lean arch]

should prot warriors be taking insane damage from deferred sentence?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YDjJVqxgZGXfb3N6#type=damage-taken&boss=2311&difficulty=5&wipes=1&ability=297578

he's taking almost 2x as much as most people

[zinc gorge]

I mean yeah, but I’ve also been having lots of issues recently with healers not really being able to keep the party alive lol. Went through a +3 where the Holy Paladin just simply couldn’t keep The heals up despite being like Ilvl410 lol and almost died without it lol. So...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

If your healer can't keep you alive, a 30 second CD 20% heal isn't going to make the difference.

If a healer can't keep up with the damage in a +3, you're doing something very wrong.

[undone sun]

Impending definitely isn't a substitute

[warm plinth]

Not the healer, you

Unless you're like 380 ilevel or something with a 280 shield

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet Did you warrior tank on court?

[zinc gorge]

Nah 420 Ilvl, It’s not really getting bursted down cause I use shield and ignore pain very often so idk if I’m fucking up rotation wise or if I am not geared properly, cause it isn’t an issue when I run with a priest or druid, but it’s other healers like Shaman or pally that I seem to almost die more with, I’ll probably just take a closer look at stats when I get back from work lol.

[warm plinth]

It's not stats either. Like...either he's a really bad healer (holy paladins are very strong in M+), or you're pressing the wrong buttons or not pressing buttons enough

[zinc gorge]

I’ll see once I get off work lol, since it was the last Mythic I did so details should keep the data there

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel Hi

[zinc gorge]

Like I haven’t struggled with a +3 really ever, it was just that one time where it’s now I’m like “Oh shit, am I just boosted by healers or Was it just cause the healer wasn’t that good lol”

[dusky mica]

Probably a bit of both; but realizing you're not as good as you thought you were is valuable experience.

[tight tree]

I dunnow how warrior tank with 420 can screw up in +3, unless he not pressing SB ever, and that is not the case apparently. So probably just bad/new healer in greens or sth. Happens sometimes. In that case try to pull less play defensive, look out for his mana and let him drink if need it.

There could be border cases when you might not know what to do and do mechanics incorreectly on some boss and trash. But with +3 and 420 this all should not hurt much

With 420 you should steadily do +10s tbh

But since you new, may take some more time to learn dungeons etc

[worldly verge]

hi guys

is the hidden appearance for the prot artifact still obtainable?

[undone sun]

should be

[oblique garnet]

@exotic spoke yes i did

[exotic spoke]

Full defensive?

Some of that shit hurts like a mother fucker

[oblique garnet]

?🤔

Only thing that does damage is the transition from deterred sentence to heal immunity

[exotic spoke]

The last set of abilities hit me for 450k in 1 second

yeah that

I saw a lot of people were using null barrier major for that it seems

[oblique garnet]

Yeah you have to not have stacks when that happens

My defensive was vop major null minor and lucid minor

100% not even needed

[exotic spoke]

I was still in single target set up

single target dps set up

[inland mesa]

I went full defensive and started with melee boss so I ended up outside of bubbles, same essences I think

I tried going offensive multiple times when we missed enrage but healers kept letting me die :(

[exotic spoke]

We just started her this week

[brittle owl]

if you have a paladin you could always call for a bop

you can immune off both the deffered and the heal immune

bop last 2 seconds of the defferred, taunt, cancel aura after transition and you take 0 damage from the deffered(if you don't move at all) and skip the heal immune

you can do this with the first and the last one

[exotic spoke]

Thanks you guys

[brittle owl]

there's really nothing much to go defensively for, like late said, the only scary bits are going from deffered to heal immune

and that's a raid execution thing

[exotic spoke]

Yeah - but I shouldnt be using RF + Devastator proabbly

[brittle owl]

everyone taking mad damage

[exotic spoke]

with COF

[brittle owl]

the more people that can cheese that (ice blocks, bubbles, netherwalk etc) the easier it becomes

dunno if hunter turtle works as well

we're still proggomg as well, only had one night of it

i'm drawing up a cheese list cause it's literally the only challenging part of the fight

[stoic pilot]

riki it shouldn’t be that bad

I ended up dropping lucid for conflict and ran null minor with vop

Just try to shield wall at the last 3 stack before transitioning into suffer

Is what saved me a bit of a grief

[exotic spoke]

Yeah Its just seeing and getting used to it but changingtraits / talents mostly

[stoic pilot]

Are you on the awful zealous eruptions?

Or the easier ones

Cuz if you take pashmar first can always just take a ton of the externals for yourself

Since you’ll be in the suffer zealous eruption & the deferred sentence zealous

[exotic spoke]

Awful

I started with pashmar

[stoic pilot]

Ahh gotcha

[exotic spoke]

Yeah its just planning and adapting is all

curious what people I know here used versus what I saw on logs after we did pulls

[sick sentinel]

440 Butchers block > 440 Rezans ???

[strong forum]

Depends on the context

[sick sentinel]

dps

[strong forum]

Butcher

[sick sentinel]

k

[strong forum]

But ultimately you can sim it

[sick sentinel]

yea ill do it later

[strong forum]

@exotic spoke im on pashmar, we swap on every charge and I'm only outside zealous during 1st suffer, and there I get bopped to get rid of suffer, cancel aura so I can keep aggro and be healed normally

[exotic spoke]

yeah we realized bop

afterwards

[strong forum]

And then very late into the encounter is the 2nd zealous you tank

That's about it

That zealous is the moment I pop shieldwall and that usually is enough to get through it

[sick sentinel]

@exotic spoke what's up

[inland bolt]

for keys do warriors run lucid major? or is the play still visons/conflict major?

[chilly brook]

why would you use lucid

ever

[inland bolt]

idk thats why im asking

[chilly brook]

you already drown in rage

and you'd want to run visions major not conflict

[inland bolt]

i think lucid is good when youre tanking big pulls right?

its better defensively

cause more rage = more IP

[chilly brook]

you get more rage the more you get hit to begin with

[inland bolt]

and being able to constantly have IP up during big damage taken is probs the play

[chilly brook]

not really

Again you're never in a spot where you're rage starved to mitigate

[ionic fern]

No, we do not use Lucid Major in keys.
You get plenty of rage in big pulls regardless since you plan DS+Avatar around them
IP is a minority of your mitigation.

[chilly brook]

^^^^^

And anyways, the advantage to a higher rage generation isn't your mitigation, it's your CD reduction

half the time on huge pulls I'm trying not to cap rage not finding myself starved for it

[strong forum]

VoP + lucid/aegis/cns/null(in rare cases)/sphere

Did I forget one

Undying gift major in high KR / ML

[zinc gorge]

I do want to ask this though, I kind of want to see how far I can get soloing ToS from Legion on Mythic and I want to see if it is possible before avatar lol

[strong forum]

I did EN mythic solo this week

Struggled on Nythendria and Bear cuz I didn't meet dps check at first

[brittle owl]

it is

just, slow

at least it was when i last did it

[strong forum]

Cuz you have to kill Nythendria in less than 50sec otherwise you're MC'd and on bear you get fucking trucked by rend so you have to giga burst there too

And I don't have fury gear and arms is back loaded into execute

[zinc gorge]

I did first three bosses on Nighthold solo with little trouble, still attempting the rest, I think with Fury I can do it with conflict and strife as main. Cause I know a lot of Legion bosses have hard dps checks that are hard on solo

[strong forum]

Although I didn't have drums, that would make it trivial

[zinc gorge]

Yeah, mostly trying to not use outside buffs or items too much for the runs

I would love to do Mythic Argus solo but all of those mechanics require two people minimum for our current gear lol.

[brittle owl]

most of mythic antorus req 2 people or more just because of the mechanics

vari aggra argus shivarra

off the top of my head

[zinc gorge]

Yeah, well I mean it may be soloable once next expac comes out but then it’s because it’s trivialized

[strong forum]

Can't wait for legacy loot system to kick in

Cba personal loot

[brittle owl]

that's the real bullshit

[slender knot]

Which azerite traits are best for tank? 🙂

[ionic fern]

Circumstances?
M+?
Raid?
Defensive?
Offensive?

[brittle owl]

memes?

[slender knot]

m+! 🙂

and which essence combi for m+ too ^^

guys? 😄

[brittle owl]

and traits are listed in the faq

[slender knot]

oh ye but the traits for m+? 😄

ohh

can you link?

[ionic fern]

#268491842637660160
Protection section - there's a guide + traits listed
For essences in general you wanna run
VoP Major, and either Lucid,C&S,Aegis,Sphere minors depending on what you have.

[slender knot]

Why is Aegis of the deep good?

[brittle owl]

the minor give a lot of vers

[sweet summit]

A lot of free vers

[slender knot]

oh its not just under 35%?

[ionic fern]

?

[brittle owl]

you're thinking undying gift

[slender knot]

ohh its doubled there

ye ye i read it now! 🙂

[brittle owl]

yay

[slender knot]

im wondering then, do i go Nullification dyn - or lucid nigtmare as my last one!

so, what im looking for now is not the essences - but the traits that i want to stack ^^

[sweet summit]

Stack BoM, always have (only) one DC, fill out the rest with anything that is not bloodsport

[slender knot]

Why not bloodsport?

[sweet summit]

Its bad

Very bad

[slender knot]

mm ok!

just worse than the others, or do i actually get worse off by taking it?

[ionic fern]

🤔

[sweet summit]

Worse than any other prot specific trait

[brittle owl]

you usually are worse off in most scenarios, since you are not picking the better trait

[slender knot]

Can't decide between lucid or nullification

[ionic fern]

Lucid.

VoP Major, and either Lucid,C&S,Aegis,Sphere minors depending on what you have.

[slender knot]

C&S?

[ionic fern]

Conflict & Strife.

[slender knot]

ah

ok i want to be agressive

so i guess lucid is nice

Why do we not use anima of life?

[sweet summit]

It only gives hp and a minor heal every now and then. We gain more from stats and extra rage from lucid.

[slender knot]

i meant as major 😄

cs of the dmg

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern who are you

[slender knot]

Whats the stat prio? in m+?

[ionic fern]

Because it's inferior to the other options we have.
Haste/crit.

I'm you @sick sentinel

[sweet summit]

Ilvl>>>haste>>crit>the other stats

[sick sentinel]

DAMN

Fuck

Wait that means I'm orange?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Congratz.

[undone sun]

👀

[strong forum]

👀

[ionic fern]

👀

[crude pond]

In tyrannical mythic+, which talent and major essence should I use, when surviving is not a problem at all?

1. booming voice VS devastator
2. VoP VS CoF

[undone sun]

Keys it's always BV

[ionic fern]

BV/VoP is always a safe go-to.
If you want more boss damage you can take CoF.
Never take Devastator over BV in m+. The tiny ST damage increase won't overshadow BV AoE+rage generation in a dungeon.

[slender knot]

Is the engeneering-goggles good for warr tanks? 🙂

[crude pond]

@ionic fern would the ST damage benefit of Devastator be meaningless even in tyrannical affix?

[ionic fern]

Yes since most of the dungeon is still AoE.
The DPS difference between Devastator/BV in ST isn't big enough for it to matter in the overall scheme of things compared to the AoE DPS BV provides.

@slender knot yes, they are good.

[crude pond]

Thanks! But in that context, wouldn't VoP beat CoF?

[slender knot]

Cool - thx! how about the alchemy trinket?

[sick sentinel]

You don't take cof in dungeons

You don't take devastator in dungeons

You don't take benthic in dungeons

When you go raiding, replace "don't" with "do"

There you go

[crude pond]

But tyrannical mythic makes the boss time way longer

[ionic fern]

Tell your DPS'ers to pump more.

[sick sentinel]

Yes, and?

There are still mobs in there

Which are the majority of your time in there

[crude pond]

Yeah I got it though

[sick sentinel]

You have aoe so your dps can afford to go ST

If your for example dh goes CLF instead of memebeam

You lose a lot of aoe there

[crude pond]

How about coral razor ?

[ionic fern]

What other options do you have?

[sick sentinel]

Don't use it

Just don't

It's not even an option

[crude pond]

@ionic fern Not really for dps

[sick sentinel]

It's not

[slender knot]

So, alchemy trinket..? yes/no in dung? 😛

[ionic fern]

Trinkets depend on what else you have available.

[sick sentinel]

Yes it's really really good @slender knot

[ionic fern]

If you ask about a trinket please list the other available options, thank you.

[slender knot]

thx! 🙂

well im thinking about what proffs to take. Wanting alchemy ,was wondering if the trinket is good

[loud burrow]

i really do like urchin+edict, but i do have a 445 rezans in my bags 😉

[crude pond]

455 Rezan
430 Urchin
430 Sporepod
430 Coral Razor

Would sporepod do more dps than coral in dungeons?

[ionic fern]

Rezan/Urchin.

[strong forum]

Rezan+urchin

[ionic fern]

That's not even a competition.

Literally Rezan/Urchin.

😂

[strong forum]

^

[crude pond]

That's what I alway go whenever I need most survivability

[ionic fern]

Sporepods is

[strong forum]

Sporepods is useless

[sick sentinel]

Okay look

You don't have 4 trinkets

You have only 2

[crude pond]

Haha okay

[sick sentinel]

If you use any of the other 2 you're just bad

[strong forum]

^

[crude pond]

Not even in raids?

[ionic fern]

In raids i'd use Rezan/Coral.

Nothing wrong with Rezan/Urchin in raids either for a more defensive oriented build.

[crude pond]

Phew! I was right on at least one thing

[sick sentinel]

Nah fuck that

Rezan coral in raids

[crude pond]

Yeah that's what I go for most dps in raids

[ionic fern]

👌

[crude pond]

That's the one thing I was right about lol

[ionic fern]

I mean you're playing a warrior...so that's 2 things you're right about.

[crude pond]

For all the other things, thank you so much guys

@ionic fern hell yeah

[winged grail]

10/15+ keys - VoP Major or Anima Major?

[ionic fern]

VoP Major.

[winged grail]

For offensive reasons, defensive, or both?

[strong forum]

Both

[winged grail]

Alright will give it a whirl, thanks!

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern I’m glad your name is back to normal because it was bothering me that your changed name was spelled wrong. 😂

[ionic fern]

What was wrong?

😂 @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

It was like...Definetly or something like that? Instead of Definitely

[ionic fern]

😂

Good to know how to trigger you.

[stoic pilot]

So here’s a question. Why exactly is sporepods so bad? Is it just numerically bad? I’ve seen it do pretty good healing in comparison to an Urchin (not a big enough size pool to actually say it’s good only seen a few of them ever being used)

Because it’s interesting to me it’s considered an insane trinket to have for pvp because it heals so much versus being a literal piece of trash for any sort of pve

[exotic spoke]

I can’t remember the numbers now, but I’m pretty sure it was buffed

That said, it’s unreliable healing. It’s proc based which is an issue

[stoic pilot]

Yeah but it’s rppm is pretty high

[warm plinth]

It overheals a lot; whereas things like urchin or diamond don't, or if they do it's a tiny amount.

[stoic pilot]

I can see that as a valid issue. But if it’s in a decently high key wouldn’t that be diminished some?

[exotic spoke]

Not really

[warm plinth]

Not really. If the healing happened instantly, perhaps. But by the time the 4 seconds passes you've probably already been healed.

In either case, the heal can also happen when you're 100% full HP

Which makes it far worse than something like urchin that only heals when you've taken damage

[exotic spoke]

If things are smooth it’s not necessary. If things aren’t smooth then you need it now - not in a couple seconds

[stoic pilot]

Let’s for a second not compare it to urchin

Urchin is kind of ridiculous on its own right solely because of the no overheal aspect

[exotic spoke]

I’d prefer edicts for more preventative measures too

[distant sierra]

Hello guys

[exotic spoke]

Hey man

[stoic pilot]

I’d really want to try a high ilvl one out just to see an actual side by side

[warm plinth]

Well it really makes no difference which trinkets you compare it to. Any healing trinket that works like sporepods (a non-smart proc) would hold the same lack of favor in my book.

[stoic pilot]

I’ve seen someone with a 450 one keep up with urchin but as Ghash said it also had a lot of overheating

[exotic spoke]

I scrapped two 450s lol

[stoic pilot]

Healing

[distant sierra]

i wanna ask about the victory rush is it working same before on s2 wiith explosive or not

[exotic spoke]

It’s a bug

[stoic pilot]

Either bug or unofficial hot fix but explosive doesn’t proc VR anymore

[warm plinth]

It's a bug

[distant sierra]

cuz i really duno whats wrong its not even working with me only if i get the normal kill it proc

with explosive not even once

[warm plinth]

No one knows what's wrong. That's how bugs work :p

[stoic pilot]

On another note I really hope I get an urchin before we start extending 😭

[warm plinth]

They know about it already and are working on it

I would be shocked if it was fixed before the week was over though.

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I could use s mythic urchin

[warm plinth]

Do the weekly and get 455 forge, easy

[stoic pilot]

I’ve been tryingggggg

[exotic spoke]

Have inkpod and coral

[stoic pilot]

Mythic ashvane and court each week

[distant sierra]

yah well i hope so

thanks all

[stoic pilot]

I’m 450 equipped with two 440 trinkets rofl

[warm plinth]

Jesus

[exotic spoke]

Ghash - when are you helping carry probablyriki - feed me plate gear on my goblin so I can do horde side carries

[stoic pilot]

Idk what it is but I can’t get trinkets ever; even in BoD I couldn’t get a diamond

[warm plinth]

We can do a key or two right now if you want lol

[exotic spoke]

I’m heading to work 😦

[warm plinth]

Oh, when you gonna be home?

[exotic spoke]

10 hours or so

[warm plinth]

I had an LFR codex in Legion. That's about my luck on tank trinkets

[exotic spoke]

I’m 448 equipped - need a better ring and some other pieces

And meekuh, this tier my luck with dungeon trinkets is terrible

[warm plinth]

My highest equipped is 441. Bag is 444

You plateau pretty fast not mythic raiding though unless you have really good luck

[stoic pilot]

I've had an insane amount of luck with rings this tier