I'm at work, haven't been able to read anything yet
#protection
weary thorn
oblique garnet
Depends how it is scaled
sick sentinel
From what they said and distance example shown, it seems good ish
oblique garnet
If it has some sort of abilities that prevents you from kiting it too far or smth
It looks interesting tho
sick sentinel
But jesus they really fucking hate shroud so much they made an affix to get people to stop depending on shroud
pliant turtle
Need some help. I just hit 120 today for the first time. I thought I read somewhere there is an easy way to get a 400 weapon from either a daily or pvp tank? Anyone know what I’m talking about?
sick sentinel
I'd assume it's the pvp one, since you need to get 500 conquest to get your weekly item and its usually a weapon first
usually
pliant turtle
Ya that is it. Does it take a while to get that or not really?
sick sentinel
if not that, probably a normal mythic dungeon
Depends, if you go the arena route it can be fastish
chilly brook
Clearly they need to give up on seasonal affixes
pliant turtle
K ty
chilly brook
Because apparently all they can do with them is discourage people playing the way they don’t want
sick sentinel
But check normal mythic dungeons, a bit rng but idk the ilvl for a normal weapon there
"Listen man, fuck shroud"
-Blizzard tm
chilly brook
Current one is bleh
sick sentinel
I wouldn't know
chilly brook
Like actually just stupid
sick sentinel
I'm not coming back until 8.3
chilly brook
Next up just sounds like an iteration on the current one
“We don’t like how you use utility/take these routes so here’s a roadblock”
Blizz devs are so galaxy brain
Most of the problems with infested were due to the dungeons being buggy af tbh
sick sentinel
listen man
These walls arent real
just an illusion
you could pass through them if you weren't such a scrub
oblique garnet
@undone sun Its time
chilly brook
Well
I’m sad
That the “leak” was false and it’s not going to be siege of stormwind
And that nyalotha is going to be a raid
Instead of a zone with a raid
sick sentinel
Well it's not fake yet
chilly brook
Wdym
chilly brook
They really bringing wrathion out to give us ANOTHER legendary cloak
Are you shitting me
🤦🏻♂️
chilly brook
I’m not watching just reading
But lemme go watch now
Hey guys remember
“This isn’t an old god expansion”
I’m also confused, nyalotha is the sleeping city but how is a city an alternate reality of Azeroth? TBH seems like they just got lazy and said “hey let’s just make it like all the zones we already have but like with an old god filter it’ll be so much less work”
sand egret
prob sounded more like "How do we offer this large-scale content without having to build a new zone on top of all these other systems we're working on, tbh"
but I can see how one can view that as "lazy"
undone sun
👀 time for what
chilly brook
TBH this horrific vision thing doesn’t sound like an iteration on the mage tower at all
It sounds more like content that you have to do other content in order to build up currency and unlock traits in order to be able to complete it instead of having anything to do with your own play and skill
I support getting rid of titanforging though
chilly brook
Who’s ya boi @sick sentinel
ivory barn
Fastest way to gain residuum?
sick sentinel
Mage Towers
warm plinth
There's no real fast way. Do the highest key you can each week and scrap shit
ivory barn
I'm doing 13's or so every week
chilly brook
Why is it scaling 1-5 player content?
And why did they think we wanted it to be content that required unlocking perks
strong forum
Cuz people like me doing shit solo
chilly brook
Nah but it should either be group or solo content
chilly brook
I’d prefer they just kept it to challenging solo content
ivory barn
I'd want to see a M+ version that is solo only
strong forum
That's prolly the excuse
Greater rifts when
With spec specific rankings
Pls gib
Id play the fuck out of that
chilly brook
And they had no mention of cool ass cosmetics from it either
Man blizz kills me
They overthink so much shit
Mage towers were already the right formula
strong forum
A little too easy later on
And immensely different difficulties within specs
The balancing was just off
ivory barn
I liked the prot war mage tower
strong forum
Prot warri being one of the hardest
And then you have fucking Demo lock shit being 1shot for 880 ilvl
chilly brook
Was so rewarding
strong forum
Ye that was great
chilly brook
The prot warrior one
chilly brook
I did mine at like 910 I think
strong forum
898 here without bis leggos
chilly brook
Yea I didn’t have bis legos either
ivory barn
The fact that you had to know your spec for prot was so nice I got it right before 7.3
The patch before ToS was released
strong forum
I got mine like 3-4 weeks in
chilly brook
Or the set bonus that let you slap the shit out of the boss with shield slam spam
strong forum
Took me 160 attempts of undergeard mess
chilly brook
The amount of people that said it was easy because they were in antorus gear 😂
ivory barn
That made me lol
strong forum
Vdh after spirit bomb changes was lo
chilly brook
“What do you mean prot was so easy you just pop recklessness and shield slam”
ivory barn
I was in half nighthold half EN gear
chilly brook
Vengeance was omegalul
But BrM was the easiest tbh
Pop dave and DPS the shit out of the second phase while he eats the tank mechanics
strong forum
Didn't do monk
strong forum
Only war, Dh, shammy and warlock
strong forum
Hah
undone sun
only tank i didn't complete the tower on was monk, put in a few attempts at low ilevel and didn't bother anymore
chilly brook
Shame
undone sun
warr definitely took me more amount of tries, but primarily because it was the first i tried
chilly brook
Cuz that monk mog is sick
undone sun
22 tries on warr, 12 on bear, less and less on subsequent
chilly brook
I don’t even like bear
chilly brook
But I still did it on every tank
undone sun
i did the feral one as well just because of the drastically different forms
not like i play feral
strong forum
I did all challenges on my chRs for all specs
Cuz why not might aswell grab that prestige
chilly brook
I did it on classes I actually play
Got all 3 for monk
All 3 for DK
All 3 for warrior
strong forum
Well have fun missing out when you ever decide to play smth else
sand egret
i literally made and leveled my druid for the sole purpose of getting the hulk bear skin
i saw that panel at blizzcon
and was like "im making a druid"
chilly brook
I mean tbh no other class really interests me besides shaman
And even then
I got both for my DH as well
sand egret
i just enjoyed trying to do them all with no leggos and as low an ilvl as possible
was actually kinda annoyed I could re-do them
chilly brook
I mean I had a lot of extra playtime and goals just getting it from those classes
sand egret
yeah i did them within the first 2 cycles
undone sun
my kill video of guardian's is terrible
sand egret
my DH took me WAY longer than i'd like to admit haha
doing bear without any of the leggos was...fun haha
sand egret
yeah i didn't have those damn pants/wrists combo
chilly brook
The mage tower for MW was aids
ivory barn
I did war with heal bracers and prydaz
undone sun
belt gloves i think
strong forum
Bracers gloves I think
chilly brook
For prot
strong forum
Or bracers belt, can't recall
undone sun
yeh i don't recall 100%, only recorded my druids kill
strong forum
Unironically not half bad
strong forum
Better than tauren by miles
Or goblins
Or undeads
Or orcs
Or anything that isn't troll
stark sage
better than tauren
time to get the hammer
static bane
Furry detected
strong forum
🐮 👉 🚪
strong forum
What do you mean for once
undone sun
😏
chilly brook
Although tbh I recorded that because I was the only healer in the raid group to have the challenge appearance and I wasn’t even a healer I was the tank 🙃
strong forum
Yikes...
chilly brook
Tauren just are weird
static bane
I actually like tauren and space gosts but id never play them
Maaayyyybe their allied counterparts
chilly brook
You have a thing for hooves don’t you
undone sun
👀
static bane
I behoove you
static bane
Lol
chilly brook
All I can think of is my drill Sgt “it would behoove you all...”
static bane
Yea that would be triggering
strong forum
Sky wants that NSFW from the hoove races
chilly brook
Just will always associate that word with the army
sharp rover
Cyclotronic Blast is the bee's knees for parsing, right?
chilly brook
Afaik it’s up there
sharp rover
Oh
sharp rover
What trinkets would I use for M+ damage?
chilly brook
Cyka blyat
strong forum
Block + X
Inkpod does decent in tyra keys
But for pure dmg output...
Gore block +.... Idk nobody is running 2x dmg trinkets anymore.
Rezans? Alch stone? Briny barnacle?
Phial?
There's so many options
chilly brook
Whatever sims highest tbh
chilly brook
I mean there is a dungeon slice option isn’t there?
undone sun
not reliable
strong forum
Yeah thats a bad idea
chilly brook
I c
strong forum
Highly unreliable
chilly brook
I’m just used to not simming my warrior
undone sun
most still like to use multi target patchwerk for aoe
chilly brook
I just know that deva is a pretty big DPS gain for me in single target
And that I have a socketed coral
And a socketed edict
chilly brook
You’re not missing too much
sick sentinel
Oh I know
chilly brook
It’s still the same old same old
undone sun
9.0 or riot
chilly brook
Maybe prot will get execute and heroic strike back in 9.0 🙃
sick sentinel
So I want the huge gap in gear because I dont want to grind before 8.3
chilly brook
Eh who am I kidding? Blizz doesn’t add to classes they just take away
9.0 warrior loses avatar and UF
strong forum
Yoyoyo stop with the tinfoil hat
sick sentinel
so good luck
chilly brook
@undone sun sad thing is I could actually see that
undone sun
exactly, @chilly brook
strong forum
we've seen the success of classic and will revert tanks to only be meatshield aggro bitches but the dmg isn't high so you can literally raid tank as arms or fury
chilly brook
“We’ve noticed a shift in the tanking meta to push more damage and no longer be focused on preventing damage, this doesn’t align with how we think the tank archetype should be played and as such we are removing damage cooldowns from tanks”
sick sentinel
Honestly I hope we get an expac were the go actually look at the 3 roles like they did in legion
Focusing on to clear up/fix tanking, healing, dpsing
We had a class expac, we need a role expac
chilly brook
They tried to “fix” tanking with BFA
sick sentinel
They've tried to fix the 3 roles every expac
chilly brook
I can happily say I don’t want them touching that shit again unless it’s to revert it
sick sentinel
The problem is the never looked at its core concept
undone sun
bard
sick sentinel
Cheerleader role
chilly brook
Bruh bard in rift was badass
sick sentinel
I love how we all basically came to the same conclusion in different words
strong forum
It's such an incredibly well designed spec rn
chilly brook
Support was actually dope af in that game
undone sun
any way?
strong forum
Like so fucking good
static bane
strong forum
Buffs are always welcome
But changing the design
The very flow
Would be fatal
It's so well designed right now
sick sentinel
Would be, if they dont fuck it up
chilly brook
Prot is probably the only well designed spec lmao
strong forum
The best to be sure
strong forum
Fuck furyc
chilly brook
Wdym
strong forum
It's shit
static bane
sick sentinel
Fury is bad at all levels but dps
strong forum
Lemme copy what I posted In guild regarding fury
static bane
Ok
chilly brook
I’m interested now
strong forum
static bane
Tough, but fair
sick sentinel
A failed spec fantasy
chilly brook
I mean your problem is with the damage numbers of the attacks but not the actual way it plays?
Cuz I think it plays great
strong forum
There's no satisfaction
In any button
All buttons feel bad to press
No impact
Nothing
stoic pilot
Everything feels like it does the same thing
static bane
After Thunderclap not much measures up tbh
stoic pilot
I mean personally, it’s not even just clap
chilly brook
They should give Arms the fury artifact execute trait
stoic pilot
Anger management adds so much fun to the play style
strong forum
Arms you have fucking boom warbreaker, huge executes after that
sick sentinel
they should remove fury
stoic pilot
Being able to actively reduce cds by playing well is such a good design / concept
strong forum
The flow of prot is amazing
sick sentinel
Just remove fury
strong forum
You generate rage to use rage to generate more rage
Without wasting it
To lower CDs
sick sentinel
Listen man
strong forum
To get more offensive
sick sentinel
Just keep building rage
strong forum
That's the beauty of prot
stoic pilot
Also visions minor effect makes avatar uptime insane overall
Not even counting procs lol
chilly brook
I mean BrM has the same concept
sick sentinel
Yeah and that's boring
stoic pilot
It’s just so fun to be in a “go go go” phase a lot
chilly brook
BrM just is boring because it has no offensive CDs
sick sentinel
No BrM is just as boring as Fury
stoic pilot
1.5 min to 1.2 min is still pretty nice
chilly brook
And there’s nothing at stake
strong forum
I needed a weak aura to shout at me vocally that I actually procced VoP
stoic pilot
With 10% extra uptime
strong forum
To notice it
sick sentinel
they are really good at what they do, but I'd rather playing a low tier then either of them
stoic pilot
I get some pretty wild procs sometimes
chilly brook
I don’t enjoy playing BrM in raids but I do
But I also at least have something to keep me engaged by reducing brew CDs
I honestly think an avatar like CD would do wonders for that spec
stoic pilot
I think Brew would benefit from having a less static rotation
chilly brook
Reduce the CD of Keg Smash by a ton for the duration or something similar
stoic pilot
More so than an offensive cd
strong forum
Apparently wrathion is a boss in nyalotha.. How does that make sense
stoic pilot
Probably gets corrupted
strong forum
I sleep
chilly brook
Bruh not a whole lot is making sense in this games lore
chilly brook
Sylvanas just apparently out of nowhere not giving a shit about the forsaken when all last xpac an the beginning of this one she was obsessed with preserving the race and figuring out how to do it
But hey
Blizz is just a smol indie company
stoic pilot
You haven’t even seen how the expansion plays out tho
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stoic pilot
I think it’ll be fine once stuff actually gets wrapped up
chilly brook
Wouldn’t be the first time
strong forum
Sylvanas will be next expac
chilly brook
They already did it
chilly brook
Iirc there was something about her lack of involvement in the wrathgate being retconned already
strong forum
She had to do her makeup
sick sentinel
Man I can't stop thinking about that whole role revision I mentioned eariler
Like one patch focuses on tanks, dps and healers
Look at a prot warrior, make them the embodiment of pure muscle and defense
Like take what you have about the current tanks and take them to their logical conclusion
a blood dk, uses the blood of themselves and everyone around them, friend or foe to be almost unkillable, taking mortal blows that no one could
sand egret
blood dk should be prot warrior with blood effects, prot pally is prot warrior with light effects, dh is prot warrior with fel effects, monk is prot warrior while drinking beer, and bear is just prot warrior but with some leaves
sick sentinel
lol
sand egret
boom
sick sentinel
Just be prot huh
sand egret
tank balance
sick sentinel
Honestly tho, they've already done the class expac, a role expac would be nice. Define the role and the specs in them
Theres so much room to do with them that its wasted potential
sand egret
well, a lot of it comes down to numbers
sick sentinel
as in balance? because I've learned a lot since I dropped wow and started playing other MMOs and pick up fighting games again
Fuck balance who cares
sand egret
and how it relates to balance. Like you only have one tank (two in raids), so making sure their balance is tight is a bit more important than nailing homogeny across dps specs
issue with making things more specialized is that it's harder to balance across all contexts
sick sentinel
Heres the thing, you can balance numbers that not the issue
sand egret
who knows what they'll try, as classic definitely reminded them that people do like "special" class stuff even if it isn't super useful in most contexts, but then they are also painfully aware of stuff like Shroud
it's not a numbers thing tho
sick sentinel
The thing is this, they arent making classes appeal differently from one another
sand egret
like shroud isn't about the numbers
sick sentinel
You can balance shroud easily with numbers
sand egret
some things have innate power beyond it's intention
sand egret
then you bring more rogues
sand egret
welcome to BFA?
sick sentinel
Remember, ur looking at just m+ mainly
sand egret
im not
sick sentinel
Where does shroud fit in raid then
sick sentinel
Reduction of time, increase of cooldown
chilly brook
I mean shroud isn’t an issue in raid
sick sentinel
Like if they want they can just go hard on their bs
sand egret
even if it was a 30 min cooldown and lasted 1 second, they'd still get used to neuter a mechanic
as it's core functionality is still there
even worse
people just bring more rogues
then bitch about having to bring more rogues
chilly brook
Just give every class a cheesy ass mechanic for utility ez
sand egret
I do agree with what you want in principle INR, my point is that numbers don't always solve the problem
sick sentinel
Your assuming a lot from a player base, that a)are hardcore enough to care that much and b)think blizzard wouldn't figure out a way to figure out some gimmick
chilly brook
TBH
sand egret
i mean 15 years of observing this playerbase has brought me to this conclusion
sick sentinel
I understand but we gotta keep in mind, hey just put this ability that ignores cloak/block
chilly brook
It’s not a surprise that utility that allows you to skip is hugely important in speedrunning
sick sentinel
Utility will always straight up beat dps, if someone who does poor dps but can boost everyone else's, it's no brainer
like blade said, bring rogues/mages, fuck KJ
sand egret
see, that's more the point INR. They need to attempt to be a bit more tactical about overall encounter design in respect to utility (aka less immunable, core mechanics)
sick sentinel
Or mythic zul
chilly brook
Which is why you see ww in mdi
Not for their damage
But because they buff everyone else’s damage
Although that’s probably out the window now that BrM is more popular for keys this season
sand egret
well, another thing is that, in the Rogue case, it's generic
sand egret
while utility beats straight dps, there's a strong chance at least one of the three rogue specs will hang
thus Rogues are just super safe
sick sentinel
just say outlaw
chilly brook
In all honesty blizz dug the hole themselves by giving rogues so much utility compared to every other class
They have so much
Whereas others have none
sick sentinel
And here is their fix for it
give hunters also iceblock/cloak
DEFINITELY WONT CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS
chilly brook
What does warrior bring? Commanding? Omegalul
sick sentinel
I'd love if we got shouts back and to be stronger
BS being an ap/st boost
Commanding health and dr boost
chilly brook
M+ is honestly just a case of the classes that have and the classes that don’t have
sick sentinel
It also doesn't help we can't play with gear
Because I can imagine if we got gear fuckier like in legion, you can get specs to perform better at aoe/ST
chilly brook
Meanwhile rogues have an immune, dodge, self heal, group stealth, aggro dump, aoe damage reduction on demand....
chilly brook
Hunters have literally every group utility in the game (lust brez etc) an aggro dump an immune, feign death
warm plinth
Hunters don't have brez
sick sentinel
they killed brez from hunter
warm plinth
It was removed in BfA
chilly brook
Still got lust thooo
sick sentinel
Give it an expac
sand egret
OMG
chilly brook
Warriors have an aoe fear! That’s what will get us groups!
warm plinth
What essence
sand egret
Guardian Shell
it was the essence my bud teased me with before 8.2
well, the idea of it.
also: Taunt all nearby enemies, forcing them to attack you for 6 sec, and increase your dodge chance by 15% for 6 sec.
Targets affected by your Vigilant Protector take 50% additional damage from you.
dats a big multiplier.
warm plinth
Mocking Banner, you're back!
sand egret
I get snap threat AND a damage cooldown
winnsssss
until I remember so does the OTHER tanks with THEIR damage cooldowns
oooo ok some of these are cool as hell
Steal-A-Friendlies-Major seems awesome
imagine...stealing Memebeam
sick sentinel
wheres the sacrifice your healer to take 25% off the boss trait
dim token
The new racials are 
waxen cradle
Us having a form of a mocking banner back will be sweet but only in so much as we do not suffer in other ways for what these new essences grant, and as other stated already everyone else has it also so its great for us but great for others also. It like YAY!!! we get a form of mocking banner back, but those who already had more utility then us just now have even more
As long as our dps as tanks continues to set us apart its great, but if they close that gap more not so yay!!!
sand egret
a) the taunt essence is a major, so you'd have to compete with VoP b) VoP is getting buffed in proc rate and c) being the "tank that does the most damage" is inherently a problem across the board
clipping Warrior damage in 8.2 was prob one of the better moves in balance for tanks on the whole, imho
oblique garnet
Not to mention vop cdr scales with neck lvl
sand egret
^
strong forum
mechagnomes racials are broken
vulpera ones are useless
will 100% get nerfed to the ground
sand egret
naw, this is the first time in history they nailed a patch build on the first try on the ptr. 100% final
warm plinth
I'm thinking the Rummage thing is going to be like a tome
Like allow you to change talents and essences outside of a rest area
distant crystal
could be nice for specs that can cheese with talent changes during opener
like outlaw rogues using loaded dice then swapping back to alacrity during pull timer
strong forum
100% not gonna be a thing in combat
modern light
Sorry but what’s CDR?
warm plinth
Cooldown Reduction
oblique garnet
At 85neck avatar cdr is 25.5% from vop
static bane
Welcome Brewmaster refugees, all are welcome so long as they properly commit to serving our lord and saviour Thunder Clap, God of AoE.
modern light
That would leave Avatar’s CD to 67.5 seconds
potent anvil
67.05s
autumn pendant
Brm nerfs arent as huge are they
warm plinth
What was nerfed?
autumn pendant
@static bane
modern light
Their stagger
fast karma
Did yall see the Vision Buff?
12% more proc chance
Pog
With brew nerfs. Prot now number 1 tank confirmed.
static bane
Yep
static bane
Brews healing was literally halved and they take ~20% more damage
fast karma
Its gonna be busted for Prot warrior.
oblique garnet
It already was
fast karma
Clapper tank bois.
modern light
Would like to see the taunt major compete against that
oblique garnet
Its gonna be the same as it was at the start of this tier where the cdr was doubled on the minor on prot due to bug
It wont compete against it
modern light
I’d like to know the yard radius for the taunting one
oblique garnet
70-80% uptime on avatar vs aoe taunt + 50% damage increase
oblique garnet
Probably
warm plinth
Only a 50% increase for 6 seconds too
oblique garnet
Even if it stays the same
warm plinth
Probably on a long CD
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
apparently my werebear can dance now so this is already a value content patch
white condor
Uhhh /dance
undone sun
dim token
Does vulpera racial look crazy in m+?
maiden ravine
Who's going mecha for the racial haha
undone sun
mecha racial is pretty stronk
warm plinth
It's going to be nerfed obviously
sand egret
the stat gain one?
warm plinth
Hey but as Mecha you can have full hidden xmog because you can't change the bottom half anyway. Loophole!
undone sun
is it mecha that has the health one
undone sun
Re-Arm: When you fall below 20% health, heal for 20% of your maximum health. This effect cannot occur more than once every 1.5 min.
huge
warm plinth
Yeah that will definitely be nerfed
warm plinth
Though I'm guessing it won't work like Cheat Death. e.g. if you're at 21% HP and something does 21% HP in damage, you'll still die
undone sun
probably
dim token
Vulpera racial is kind of like a 5% absorption for every mob you pull 🤔sounds pretty huge in m+
dim token
Yea but it makes the opener that much smoother
sand egret
you’re a warrior
undone sun
first couple seconds 😴
warm plinth
Yeah but, it's 5% of your max HP. So if you pull 5 mobs, you have a shield for 25% of your max HP
So that's actually pretty insane for a warrior
Unless it's literally like...if it does 500 damage, that's just all that gets reduced
Depends on how it works exactly
Which I guess based on wording I may have misunderstood
sand egret
Nose for Trouble: When you first take damage from an enemy, reduce that damage by 5% of your maximum health.
warm plinth
Since it says "that damage is reduced by 5% of your maximum health"
dim token
Not like you die without it but it’s pretty awesome in comparison to other racials
sand egret
by a value correlating with your hp
warm plinth
Yeah, so garbage
sand egret
of course lol
warm plinth
I can see the rummage thing either being a free tome on a CD, or being something like Zanda troll loas
sand egret
or like an RNG consumable (maybe smartly based on your current status). So you can get a peseudo-battle shout etc
sand egret
yeah, i was thinkin scrolls but could also be like a shitty flask or something
weak mist
monk nerf 😄
analog swift
Literally if that talent was gone I’d never notice
oblique garnet
Its not the talent nerf its the bug fix
inland mesa
I don't know how I feel about this affix
I guess once the smart people figure out where to best kill the things....it's just copy pasta
static bane
Yep the bugfix cut their healing in half, the stamina reduction reduced their health pool by 14%, and the stagger changes made them take 22% upfront damage
prisma crane
im curious if HOLO for the gnomes works basically like treants
outer dew
warm plinth
charred umbra
what random azerite piece is best to buy as prot?
chilly brook
Well I guess I have an excuse to reroll tank specs next patch now with the BrM nerf
@charred umbra the one you need an upgrade on?
charred umbra
I've come back from a year long break so I'm pretty shit geared and wondering what slot has the lowest chance of giving complete garbage if someone has done the math lol
warm plinth
Shoulders have the lowest chance of trash I believe
charred umbra
cool thanks
mystic whale
"Combat Analysis - You gather and analyze combat data every 5 secs, increasing your primary stat by (50 at level 120), stacking up to 8x. The data decays while out of combat."
Mechagnome new master race ?
vernal stirrup
warm plinth
I'm sure the Mechagnome racials will get nerfed
maiden ravine
For fury warrior pandaren food racial would be similar haha
The defensive racial matters more really
Odds are the str racial will be a 1% DPS boost
sick sentinel
Not really, if it only decays on ooc, its uptime will be high depending if it refreshes to 1 where it is at after combat ends and enter back to back
Also like ghash said, that's several gems worth of a stat
It's a matter of it either having an obvious caveat to it or it getting reduced to be in line with other racials
For prot alone that's by far the strongest racial, as it provides so much to us compared to other racials
But when we get a chance to test it, then we will know and even then, dont expect it to stay like that if blizzard notices
maiden ravine
I mean they'll keep it op for a tier and Nerf it after everyone race changes
exotic spoke
I mean, I think there are better options for us
graceful granite
fury?
exotic spoke
Prot?
graceful granite
It marks a random targetr
reduces damage to all other targets but that target
Periodically marks a random enemy, making them the target of your fury. While your fury persists, your damage against all other foes is reduced by 10%.
exotic spoke
Revel or fury depending on content
Masochistic for m+
@warm plinth Do you have a link for the racials
undone sun
undone sun
very strong
graceful granite
That's an extra flask
undone sun
i was thinking about the 20% heal
exotic spoke
nm
graceful granite
That's OP too
exotic spoke
Thanks thyme!
graceful granite
And it's passive, both of them are
undone sun
yeh
exotic spoke
Also
graceful granite
So you don't even need to push a button
undone sun
but that's not nearly as strong
graceful granite
They nerfed the last two allied race racials
undone sun
and it's an active
graceful granite
Zandalari racial didn't make it to live as strong as it was on PTR
not even close
Kul Tirans also got hit
exotic spoke
425 strength passive
exotic spoke
Yea
graceful granite
Oh
Well
Shit
Didn't know they had that
Why don't more people play draenei? Fuck. That seems way bette than the human racial
exotic spoke
Im interested in what holo does
graceful granite
Probably a taunt
Just like the engineering item
Make clones that taunt so you can run away
Could be useful in M+ to drop debuffs
exotic spoke
Meh, I dont think mechagnomes will be too OP
graceful granite
Theyr'e going to be good tanks
that's for sure
If I was an alliance warrior, I'd be eyeing them for race change
undone sun
"free" treants
graceful granite
DID racial doesn't reduce damage
undone sun
and DiD is incredibly useful on necrotic
exotic spoke
DPS is always useful
undone sun
and any other bleed drop
graceful granite
DID racial maybe gives you x str if you use it to cleanse
exotic spoke
DID > Dwarf
graceful granite
Regular Dwarf racial can be used to cleanse or get extra DR, or both
graceful granite
Thyme, regular dwraf bleed drops too
exotic spoke
Since I dont need DR
graceful granite
The differences between the racial is DID gets mainstat for every debuff they remove
and regular dwarf gets damage reduction
graceful granite
There's never enough DR
exotic spoke
Better suited to get more damage
exotic spoke
Every dps matters in keys
exotic spoke
I'd take it for anything over dwarf
graceful granite
But in keys, how much bleeds are you eating that you can make a serious difference in damage output?
And in raids, how many bleeds can be cleansed?
exotic spoke
You dont need 4% mitigation. And with how mitigation works it is a negligible amount
graceful granite
PvP you can at least argue its useful against warriors, sub rogues, and druids.
exotic spoke
Also, a lot of things can be cleansed 😛
exotic spoke
You do you - but dwarf is inferior imo
graceful granite
exotic spoke
Still then - negligible after all the other mitigation we have
graceful granite
exotic spoke
Thats classic
you linked Classic stone form
Either way - I don't need / want more mitigation with minimal up time
graceful granite
Weird that its linking to classic
because I totally went to regular wowhead
and went to dwarf
exotic spoke
I dunno
graceful granite
and to their racial and clicked stoneform
Stoneform: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and reduces all physical damage taken by 10% for 8 sec.
exotic spoke
Either way - I dont want that minimal increase in mitigation on a 2 minute cooldown. Its negligible
exotic spoke
This is a pointless discussion 😛
Disagree because its multiplicative with shields, armor, etc
graceful granite
I'm pretty sure its additive with armor
undone sun
all damage reduction is multiplicative
exotic spoke
^^
graceful granite
Both of them remove bleeds
They do the same cleanse.
Fireblood just gives you 600 mainstat + 200 for each removal
onyx vessel
Im horde
graceful granite
for 8 seconds
exotic spoke
I'll take the strength because its multiplicative as a dps cooldown 😄
onyx vessel
Tauren is life
exotic spoke
Tauren is lunch
onyx vessel
exotic spoke
fight me
graceful granite
Flashback to skyhold
fighting over the chest every tuesday
Hours long fights
Gods, I miss skyhold
undone sun
there was never any competition on my server
onyx vessel
Just hit shield slam dumpster anyone
graceful granite
There would be about 30 prot warriors on me
Refusing to give up
it'd last until whats his face would jump in and start bladestorming
Whiuch was what, 15+ minutes?
And then we'd all still be running back enough to make it alst another 10 or so
Since it only locks you out for 60 seconds
onyx vessel
Sounds like a massive waste of time
graceful granite
considering you'd only get liek 20 battle potions
yeah
but it was fun
Also back then we thought that's how you go tthe arms hidden appearance
because blizzard forgot to ever turn saurfang on
So it wasn' tuntil like 7.1.5 that it was obtainable
sweet shale
%12 proc chance here i come
ionic fern
@brittle owl jokes on you - i went bald at 20 so i've been okay with it already for 8 years.
Also wrong job. 😒
ionic fern
Wdym, it's 8am
tight tree
Go orc or ho home
undone sun
pass
cinder pasture
Female panda best race
sullen valve
You're lucky I don't have my emotes
undone sun
daring jolt
Jeeeez, 12% on vision is good
exotic spoke
@distant crystal lol
sullen valve
Don't make me paste the emotes in 😠
sullen valve
tight tree
sullen valve
Don't make me bring out my best buffmonk emote
brittle owl
do it
loud burrow
Hey everyone, just started gearing up my Prot for M+ and i am searching for the best Azerite Pieces right now. We are killing the first four bosses on mythic, so my pick for Helmets is the one from Radiance right? Shoulders and Chest i have to use Residium on right? until i get lucky there, should i just use 430 zaqul chest + whatever i get as Shoulderpiece?
sick sentinel
@loud burrow helmet from radiance and looking at a chestpiece and shoulders you have to work with what you get
Generally, roll shoulders first and then roll for a chest
ionic fern
Behemoth shoulders has BfI/IF/OP which can be used as a filler for m+ as well.
loud burrow
Okay, thats what i thought - should i roll shoulders one time or until i get the "kraken..." ones?
ionic fern
That's up to you.
If you are keen on getting Kraken then collect for them.
If i were you i'd first get all pieces at 445 with RNG and then go for specific ones.
tight tree
First bosses on mythic are easy puggable?
ionic fern
Jeah.
First 3 definetly - Ashvane maybe requires some brain but should be do-able with decent gear.
sick sentinel
@loud burrow there are 4 good shoulders with kraken being the best
sick sentinel
getting something like lockjaw or any shoulders with bom is good enough
loud burrow
ah okay, sure as long a i have at least head or chest with DC?
sweet summit
Radience has bom dc iirc
loud burrow
sure, as i said in my first post^^
but thats a headpiece, not shoulders
we were talking about shoulders + chest
sweet summit
I mean yea, but you asked for head or chest with dc or did i misunderstand?
sick sentinel
you want exactly 1 DC, as many BoM as possible, (ideally 3), 2 MS if you can get it but if you can't then IF/BFI
loud burrow
thanks everyone for explanation 😉
red hemlock
hey guys. do you know reflect weakauras? i tried in faq channels but doesnt work on me 😦
ionic fern
Was working fine yesterday. 🤔
sick sentinel
@onyx vessel I used to have a note for season 2
But I haven't wrote one for this season yet
Cba'd
onyx vessel
Lol fair enough
junior ivy
hi
warm plinth
War got ashvane cuirass for his first random 445 😂
strong forum
Gratz
warm plinth
Hey upgrades are upgrades, wherever they come from XD
brittle owl
you mean to say you don't get tilted upside down when someone gets a max TF item from a wq
warm plinth
No, should I?
warm plinth
I will be not very excited for that but it's whatever
exotic spoke
I personally dont care what random people get, in terms of titan forges etc.
warm plinth
Same. I will be bummed if TF gets removed only because I'm not going to raid, so that sets kind of a hard limit on my ilevel
Idk why folks have to care about the luck of other people tbh
warm plinth
I don't think it does
If you get the item, it still makes your character better doesn't it?
brittle owl
yes but a raider or a high end m+ player will have to work disproportionately more
for something someone could just get from a wq
thru sheer luck
warm plinth
I mean, I'm fine with WQs not titanforging, because I agree getting a 455 from that would be silly
brittle owl
so the value of the item itself is diminished
warm plinth
But I think it's a mistake to remove it from Mythic+
warm plinth
Like I understand that perspective. I did the Mythic raid, I am entitled to higher loot. But that's an easy fix; just make the cap on loot higher
brittle owl
so like, keep giving hc ilvl from 10 keys
warm plinth
For m+
exotic spoke
Maelkenar, I think we've had this discussion before, and sorry if it was with other people and not you, but I dont view gear as a reward. I view gear as a tool.
brittle owl
give 445 for 20 keys
warm plinth
Like idk why it's +10 instead of +15 or whatever
brittle owl
gear is absolutely a reward
exotic spoke
Again, I don't view it as a reward. Its purely a tool to progress in my eyes
brittle owl
you are entitled to your opinion, but i think you can agree that mechanically, as far as the game is concerned, when you view it's systems semi isolated
gear is a reward
if you look at it in perspective, then yes, gear is irelevant since you will reach the given base ilvl cap every patch
one way or the other
warm plinth
Yeah I think gear is a reward. It has to be. Otherwise you'd kill each dungeon and raid boss once and have no reason to ever do it again. You already got the success/prestige/whatever from killing the bosses.
brittle owl
wow classic is another (albeit unnecesary) poc of this fact
exotic spoke
I mean, I think you're looking at it incorrectly. The reward is doign something harder and more challenging that you couldn't do previously. The gear helps you along the way and is a tool to allow you to do so.
The gear is fleeting, you will replace it. It will become outdated. It will be lost.
The achievements (not necessarily in game achievements but what you personally accomplish) are the rewards for me
exotic spoke
I did read what you said
brittle owl
but most people don't play the game with overarching perspective
exotic spoke
I don't think gear is a reward 😛
Just because people think it is doesn't mean it is. Conversely the same is true of my opinion
But its why I don't care about titan forging and that some peon got a 455 socketed leech TF from LFR and I only have a 445
brittle owl
you're making this more abstract than the system has been designed to be tbh
exotic spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
Yeah I agree lol. If you don't see gear as a reward, that's fine. But I would put money on the fact that most people disagree.
exotic spoke
And I
brittle owl
you reached a point of nullifying any view, including your own
exotic spoke
and I'm comfortable with that. But that could be why I've never cared about TF existing
Because nothing truly matters Maelkenar
brittle owl
at the end of the day i don't care either, but its irksome
albeit just from time to time
exotic spoke
I'm honestly hesitant about the new system.
We don't know what it is, the grind / time involved, what if anything will happen.
It could end up to be a huge time sink
exotic spoke
It was a sarcastic statement 😛
brittle owl
ik
hence
the kek
cuz skyhold is a communist discord with emotes
edited for regime*
sand egret
everyone is wrong and my opinion is right
weary thorn
progression is surely the end reward, but for many people that may not be an attainable goal. In its place gear can become that reward worth playing for
It depends entirely upon your access to endgame content and the perspective afforded your situation
brittle owl
if we're gonna be reductionists
might as well not get paid, a job well done/service to society should be enough
socialist utopia
warm plinth
You can have more than one reward. I enjoy completing higher keystones; that's my overall goal. And while gear is a tool to get there, it's also a reward for me.
weary thorn
there is a difference between being reductionist and pursuing it to absurdity
warm plinth
Both things are my reward. I don't see why one has to be exclusive from the other.
distant crystal
the real endgame is the friends we made along the way
warm plinth
Also I somehow managed to zoom discord in and I don't know how I did that 😅
brittle owl
it's not a stretch to see it analoguous
weary thorn
the ol bamboozle tf
brittle owl
the famed
sick sentinel
nice