isnt crit cap 60% anyway
#protection
strong forum
hallow phoenix
100
undone sun
crit cap 🤔
distant crystal
u drug
undone sun
what are you on about
strong forum
for DH yes
distant crystal
lol
undone sun
???
hallow phoenix
Pats Nom
warm plinth
We ignored crit mostly in Legion because we had Battle Cry
undone sun
🤦
distant crystal
60% breakpoint for dh's last xpac is shirely relevant for prot warriors now
distant crystal
kek
hallow phoenix
Anyway, with inkpod you pop it right before 30
hallow phoenix
I need that
distant crystal
hallow phoenix
And then you rip threat off your cotank
hallow phoenix
And cry tears of joy
hallow phoenix
I think on radiance I popped coral more often throughout the fight
Eg right before intermission and right after
.... I think
untold dune
I know prot tends to go for ilvl, but how does that interact with sockets? Like a 430 with socket vs. 440 without?
untold dune
Thanks 🙂
warm plinth
Bugged how?
exotic spoke
@analog swift obviously Just tank the mobs off away from the voids
warm plinth
Uhhh
analog swift
DUH I mean dude I have the +10 keystone achievement i know what i'm talking about
warm plinth
Oh, well
analog swift
had a few people have some emissaries autocompleted on some alts some on others
warm plinth
I doubt you'll get banned for that. I was thinking you were repeating it on one toon
Either way you should report it though
analog swift
yeah one toon over and over is definitely bannable, doing it on a few toons "eh I thought I already did it"
exotic spoke
Yeah I’ve heard it from other people too
analog swift
Riki are you doing keys at all man? you've been at the same io for over a month!
warm plinth
analog swift
😛
exotic spoke
@analog swift slowly going up. My rogue is out on a month long vacation and we opted for a short break
I swear to god I will shank you ghash
warm plinth
😂
exotic spoke
So we’ve minimized pushing to prevent burn out with a slightly sub optimal group (from what we’re used to) and yeah
30-50 points only a week feels bad man
analog swift
dude this last push week was so good
analog swift
that's still not too bad, i just got sorted into a group about two weeks ago, we just vary our schedule depending on the week, this week we went friday/sat/sun/monday
warm plinth
Ready to start tanking some keys on my warrior. 425 equipped now
analog swift
i've barely played my warrior this patch
warm plinth
He's been insanely lucky. I got some 440 socketed pants to replace 405s from chest.
analog swift
i played a shit ton early on, but been playing monk a lot
warm plinth
Last two weeks were 445 shield and 440 weapon
analog swift
LOL, i grinded up blacksmithing on my warrior hard
first heroic week got a 440 socketed belt and then the next chest was a 440 socketed pants
analog swift
yeah and then had to bench him early on, so last night I finally got the 200 ornaments
west kayak
The only piece I know for sure you would take 100% of the time ilvl over anything else is the Shield.
analog swift
and weapon
warm plinth
^
hallow phoenix
What about an indestructible avoidance shield with three (3) sockets and one of them is a meta slot from BC
analog swift
^^ now we're asking real questions
warm plinth
Yeah I guess if you're trying to parse, Zaqul weapon or Servant Splitter might be worth ilevel loss. But that's a specific situation.
analog swift
yeah 99.9999 ilvl
warm plinth
Good ole meta gems
distant crystal
gimme dat 3% increased crit dmg gem
exotic spoke
So true
warm plinth
That's pretty damn good
hallow phoenix
Is this the one in skyhold?
hallow phoenix
I didn't know there was one there. Thank
warm plinth
If you go to the back side of the temple and down a level, there's a room that has a bunch of dummies in it
exotic spoke
@analog swift it only took a break for you to pass us :P.
sick sentinel
what are the best keys to run this week? i typically try to avoid weeks like this like the plague
@strong forum edict seems to do about 20% regardless of dungeon
And there are dungeons that I switched it to magic damage in the middle of it
Still ends up doing like 13%+11% or something
crystal dirge
does bursting scale with level?
it kinda feels like it, but quick google didn't answer
undone sun
static 14%
exotic spoke
It’s percent based so it scales off of your hp
distant crystal
it's worse on lower keys cause mobs dissolve so fast :p
is merektha's fang still doodoo??
oblique garnet
problem with it as prot warrior its essentially a root for you
unlike on dk where they can move
warm plinth
Death's Advance prevents them from being slowed below 70% passively
exotic spoke
Nerf DKs more. Nerf them until this is true:
warm plinth
Yeah, what's weird is that because of how the effect works, other removals of the slow don't work (e.g. Tiger's Lust, Blessing of Freedom)
crystal dirge
hmm I know what the numbers are on paper, but it feels like it hits a lot harder on higher keys
might be the stress :p
exotic spoke
Lots of other damage going out and you’re probably paying attention to it more
junior ivy
hi
undone sun
hi
limpid pawn
which are the best benthic bracers for single target
i have both socketed
farseer's?
pliant turtle
Hey everyone, are there any good addons for tanking ? Specifically for cool downs etc? Just noticed last night when I came back, shield block when they falls off I didn’t know since the Icon is up top. Looking to have it mid screen or announcement etc?
warm plinth
You can get a WeakAura for it
limpid pawn
weakauras for sure
pliant turtle
Cool thanks. I’m only 110 and just started bfa, I got gtfo. Dbm. Anything else good for tanks?
warm plinth
I like BigWigs/LittleWigs better than DBM, but a lot of it is personal preference.
BW/LW is more lightweight and more subtle when announcing mechanics. It's also much better than DBM for dungeons.
pliant turtle
Ok, I’ll check that out for sure.
warm plinth
I would also recommend an Ignore Pain WA. You can get a Shield Block and Ignore Pain one from the prot section in #268491842637660160 The spell reflect WA is handy too.
pliant turtle
What does WA mean?
pliant turtle
Ha, so I played up till cata, the. Skipped mop and WoD. Played legion but as dps for a month then quit. So yea I’ve been gone a good while
warm plinth
Gotcha
Basically you can install the WeakAuras 2 addon, and it lets you create/import scripts and shit to suit a purpose. You can basically do anything in WA that an addon can do.
Except instead of installing a new addon, you just import a text string or create it yourself in their interface and you're good to go.
pliant turtle
Ohh so In the faq you Link I see a invite pain etc for weak auras, is that what you mean?
warm plinth
Yeah but you'll need to install the WeakAuras addon first
You can also search their website for additional WAs at wago.io
pliant turtle
Oh that seems handy then. Ya I need to catch up. Everything is so weird to me. Like professions etc.
warm plinth
Yeah WA can seem a little overwhelming at first but it's definitely worth taking the time to get the hang of it. It's incredibly useful.
warm plinth
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish
sand relic
for mythic raid
warm plinth
Trying to do more damage or trying to have more survival?
warm plinth
Pretty sure DPS is typically Crucible major, though logs would be a better telltale of that than I would. Vision would be one of your minors.
sand relic
so vision minor with null
warm plinth
Crucible major and probably Vision/Null (depending on fight) minor
Yeah probably. But logs would tell you more than I could; I have no raid experience. Just saying what my brain thinks which is scary.
raw ether
Hey Guys, i am fairly new to Protection Warrior and i just got a new trinkets. Would anyone be able to give me their thoughts on Mchimba's Ritual Bandages for Protection.
undone sun
very medicore
raw ether
Would you say that i am better keepin gmy Briny Barnacle then?
warm plinth
Yes
raw ether
I currently have Rezan and Briny equipped.
warm plinth
You're in decent shape then.
Barnacle isn't fantastic but there are far worse options; bandages being one of them.
raw ether
haha okay, i thought that would be the case but i like to ask the collective.
warm plinth
Well ask @undone sun I never say dumb shit 👀
undone sun
👀
pliant turtle
Cool thanks a lot @warm plinth what’s your thought for profession that would benefit me the most?
warm plinth
Herb/alc are always good.
pliant turtle
??
warm plinth
Yikes
pliant turtle
Oh lol. Is first aid not a thing anymore?
outer dew
removed in legion
pliant turtle
Ha really? Did t even notice till last night
warm plinth
You can still make old school bandages via tailoring I think but they aren't useful for anything current.
And some quests like Ring of Blood and shit still give them as a reward
warm plinth
Ah I wasn't aware of that
pliant turtle
But u have to be a tailor?
pliant turtle
😃
warm plinth
To make them, not to use them
pliant turtle
Ohh still lame
warm plinth
But yeah you can get a battle rez via engineering but it's a pain in the ass to use as a tank
You get pushback from mobs hitting you and have to be in melee range of the corpse
warm plinth
Or pretty close to melee range anyway
pliant turtle
Ya I always did bs/mining right now I have herb/mining
warm plinth
Blacksmithing has its uses. You can make socketed belts and leggings I think? And you can make skeleton keys which are handy in Tol Dagor
If you don't have a rogue
pliant turtle
It is the crafted gear worth it? Or do you get better things fast?
pliant turtle
Ya so Alch seems to be a better choice
warm plinth
Yeah herb/alc is the only professions I've leveled this expansion
hallow phoenix
engi/alch forever
@warm plinth apparently in TD there are keys on the floor you can pick up
I always just bring a rogue
warm plinth
Wait what? There are? O_o
hallow phoenix
Yeah they're in a few different spots
warm plinth
Are they in the areas you typically would be killing trash? Surprised I haven't noticed them before.
hallow phoenix
Uhh I think so. Was with a tank that got them and I don't think we went out of our way for them
warm plinth
Interesting
hallow phoenix
They don't glow or anything
But you can interact with them on the dungeon floor
Eyes open boys 👀
warm plinth
Welp I'll never see them then. I'm colorblind.
warm plinth
Good thing I always have either a rogue or someone with keys/scrolls lol
oblique garnet
@warm plinth the spawns are highlighted in mdt but they cant be used to open the gates afaik only cell doors
warm plinth
Ah okay
white plaza
I got a 455 Phial of the Arcane Tempest with a socket, is it any good for tanking
warm plinth
I hear @sick sentinel likes that trinket
It's not a tanking trinket, so it's trash for tanking. For damage, I've heard mixed reviews. It excels on fights where you have single target with frequent add spawns, but it can be somewhat decent otherwise from what I have heard.
white plaza
ok cool thank you
exotic spoke
Well.. All my melee dps hate me now:
warm plinth
You know Riki, you really shouldn't brown-nose to the GMs to get loot
exotic spoke
I just want a good rezans / gore
exotic spoke
Coral timing is just on avatar yeah?
pliant turtle
hey anyone know how I get these to WA to turn on?
warm plinth
Check the Load setting and see when they're set to turn on
Sometimes they'll be set to only be active in combat, in a group, etc.
warm plinth
pliant turtle
"load " lol
warm plinth
Yep :p
pliant turtle
hmm so my thunder clap doesnt show up no matter what I do
warm plinth
Yeah it's really not needed
pliant turtle
k
warm plinth
It's tracking a debuff extension from an azerite trait
But the extension happens automatically if you're doing your rotation properlly so it's not needed
pliant turtle
ah ok, trying to remap buttons etc to get my rotation down now before I try out a dung
hidden plaza
This may not be the error but you would need the azerite trait on your equipped gear for it to work
chilly brook
So how many of you guys are running deva?
The extension was useful to track before DC got nerfed
Cuz it's like a 1300 dps increase for me according to raidbots
warm plinth
A lot of people are running it, for ST damage
Virtually all the top parses are running it
dim blaze
Is 2 tanking mythic ashvane and spreading stacks viable if we don't have a prot pally?
dim blaze
@distant crystal do you have to 2 phase it to do that strategy or can you 3 stage if your raid dps is low?
hasty nova
if you 2 phase it you need to 2 tank it
if u are doing 3 tanks u can 3 phase it
but with the nerf, and the 65 necks, you should certainly 2phase it
@strong forum @exotic spoke DAT SHIELD THO BOYS
exotic spoke
I despise you
spice ferry
@dim blaze we did it with a warrior and a dk, spreading the stacks. we also did 3 tank with prot pally to soak before all 65s etc
our dk just soaks the last couple sets and suicides around when the final break happens, then i solo tank till kill, though not needed its just our strat now
shadow tapir
Same piece of azerite gear two rolls in a row... fun and rewarding gameplay. 😄
spice ferry
just dont buy pieces and you can't be disappointed 😉
better yet, don't do m+ and you can't buy them at all 😂
sullen valve
Daily reminder that WoWAnalyzer is valid for prot warriors and can be used!
spice ferry
since when?
autumn pendant
Why do I doubt that
hushed creek
using multi spec helps avoid being puked on by azerite. Whenever I fail good roll on prot I get nice fury set.
spice ferry
@sullen valve since when. Last i checked it was using an early legion build
sullen valve
👍
gaunt dawn
@sullen valve is wow:a updated for prot warrior?
sullen valve
Yes!
Also if you see anything that is a ❓ or want something added just ping/dm me or make a github issue
ionic fern
gaunt dawn
🙂
sullen valve
:)
gaunt dawn
@ionic fern can you make essences alt friendly so I can play the game again on more than 1 char?
Thatd be dope
sullen valve
@ionic fern please k thanks
gaunt dawn
But I'm playing mage atm
sullen valve
Battle mage? They made those pog
gaunt dawn
I do get boss threat sometimes. Yes.
ionic fern
Atleast they reduced the honor grind a bit..so that's something.
Still waiting for them to make them account wide. 😒
sullen valve
only rank 3 iirc
ionic fern
2 as well
gaunt dawn
And rank 2
autumn pendant
Still waiting for mwahi to be Val'kyr
gaunt dawn
It's still more honor than you needed with merc mode
sullen valve
Still 100k for rank 4 right? So no nerf for end game
sullen valve
When he gets Val'kyr I'll be st in here and mod in peak kek
gaunt dawn
and I'll be vet
ionic fern
Veterinarian?
gaunt dawn
Sure
ionic fern
sullen valve
Close enough
ionic fern
Idk, @undone sun had to give me regular in DG since i'm there regulary to read messages but still nothing
undone sun
👀
gaunt dawn
You're not regular enough
autumn pendant
:))
gaunt dawn
I'm more regular than you
sullen valve
But im very regular in his discord 🙂
gaunt dawn
And that's saying something
undone sun
his
ionic fern
undone sun
makes more sense
void berry
ayaya
autumn pendant
autumn pendant
@sick sentinel leech
river wave
How good is the Servant Splitter axe from Waycrest in regards to the proc, versus giving up the secondary stats,
river wave
thanks
first time ive gotten a high ilvl version of it this expac, havent had a reason to consider using it
ionic fern
It works. Where are you looking from?
crystal dirge
Quick sim buff list
crystal dirge
Ah alright, didn't see that, thanks!
still trying to figure out if haste is worth it, I regemmed reenchanted everything, and started simming way lower than with crit, so I guess it falls off hard at around 1.5k
and it actually wanted me to use items without sockets that had crit it was so much difference
strong forum
For dmg crit will outweigh haste
Every Max dmg sim will socket + enchant crit
Unless you literally have less than 1k haste I reckon
hallow phoenix
For me it's vers = crit > haste >> mastery for single target
And my max sim is mostly crit gems and enchants with like one vers gem
I ignore it and do haste lol
crystal dirge
yes but around 17% haste the cdreductions start slowing down extremely don't they?
I think I read 24% haste still giving you 5sec TC cd
hallow phoenix
Not sure if that matters too much when you get stuff like overwhelming power or force multiplier procs
Meticulous scheming too. My haste % is all over the place in an actual fight
stoic pilot
tfw force multiplier sims higher then 2 gear changes later quick nav is simming higher again
hallow phoenix
I'm pretty sure force multiplier undersims
stoic pilot
that makes more sense
crystal dirge
fml ill just go a few instances with full haste and see if I do better or nah
at least I wont have to look at sblock charges
crystal dirge
gonna pray for 455 shield w socket tonight, also urchin 😄
got invi 20minutes ago so might as well get lucky in raid too
strong forum
laughs in 450 edict, urchin and shield
normal cypress
wat kinda stats should i be aiming for mythic plus! sitting on 28%has 32%mast 11%verst
ionic fern
Haste/crit without losing ilvl should be your focus.
strong forum
Tfw have 450 ~80 haste ~150versa boots and 445 ~80 haste ~135 crit boots and can't decide which to actually use for meme+
Prolly the versa ones cuz essences and trinkets but...
Feels bad to lose that much crit
hallow phoenix
@strong forum I'd just use the crit
@cold hollow yes, anima is not something you should be looking to use
hallow phoenix
I mean that's what health pots are for. I'd just use VoP
hushed cobalt
13 coastal health pots later
cold hollow
Fair enough
warm plinth
Why in the world are you using coastal health pots instead of abyssal? o_o;
cold hollow
Lol
analog swift
that's why he said 13
hushed cobalt
13 > 1
analog swift
he needed to use all of them to go from 50% to 60% health
hushed cobalt
Math super checks out
warm plinth
lolol
hushed cobalt
I'm curious if anyone has a 455 prism. Wowhead says 31k shield, that seems bonkers
hallow phoenix
... I would do all sorts of things for a 455 prism
hushed cobalt
Like a Klondike bar, would you...kill a man?
warm plinth
Well, 415 is 17945 in-game, and it seems like the increase is larger as you go up in ilevel (e.g. there's a larger difference between the mythic and heroic shield than the heroic and normal shield)
So I could see that pretty easily
hushed cobalt
I remember asking about a high ilvl bandaids cause I didn't think wowhead was correct
Does absorbed damage get added to urchin tho? Prism+urchin madness
hallow phoenix
Speaking of loot, I only need to use one reroll this week on non-titanforged upgrades. Should I use the second on radiance for a 450+ shield or heroic ashvane for a titanforged urchin?
The other reroll is for m ashvane
I'm thinking a shiny new shield is the more likely forge
warm plinth
Yeah I think the shield is the better bet
hallow phoenix
Or I guess a 445 phial but I don't think I'd ever use it
exotic spoke
So, playing around with coral - what’s the optimum number of stacks to pop it?
I mean obviously during avatar, but do I stack it for most of the fight, do it every 10, 15, 25, etc?
My melee hate me for getting a 450 yesterday so I may as well use it to rub it in their face
sand egret
Don't pop it. Save the environment.
exotic spoke
hallow phoenix
I think the sim pops it if you're at 7 or more stacks with avatar?
I think it comes out to about every other avatar or so
On something like radiance I save it until intermission and blow up the adds with mega crit avatar
strong forum
i have been blessed
void berry
Damn
hallow phoenix
Big
strong forum
exactly what i wanted to grind for actually
void berry
That's an awful font
strong forum
na you get used to it
exotic spoke
I will shank you Nome. I despise you
strong forum
i like full caps
exotic spoke
I’m sorry
Did someone say
ALL CAPS - C A P S CAPS CAPS CAPS
strong forum
cuz ya'all blind
slim pier
No, the font sucks
exotic spoke
Sorry - hockey season starting today
strong forum
and this on DH
exotic spoke
@ionic fern any input as to how the sim uses coral or where I can find that information for myself in the future
strong forum
god damn im blesed
hallow phoenix
@exotic spoke just get an inkpod and never worry about when to pop coral again
exotic spoke
I mean then I just stack it and pop it at 31% 🙂
hallow phoenix
And last I checked the quick sim sample rotation, it was with every other avatar.
warm plinth
Damn and I can't even say "doesn't even have a socket"
sand egret
What is that font
warm plinth
Blade presents a good point
ionic fern
7 or more stacks and with Avatar.
warm plinth
I have the luck in this channel
I got a 455 vers/haste socketed ring on my DH yesterday
From M+ cache
exotic spoke
And thanks for everyone else who responded
Where would I be able to find that, or things like that, for myself going forward?
hallow phoenix
Just stay dependent on asking the discord, I like it when you're here
exotic spoke
I like being here - mostly to shoot the shit / help others. but I like figuring things out for myself and not being reliant on others
The whole “give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he can eat for his life” sorta thing
hallow phoenix
The simcraft APL should be publicly available
I'm sure somewhere in there you could find the conditions of use for coral
And other similar trinket uses
exotic spoke
Makes sense to me
hallow phoenix
But you'd have to @ionic fern cause I'm noob
exotic spoke
Nah, I’ll save it for when I can actually look it up. So when I get home and it’s like 3/4 am his time
hallow phoenix
I wish prot warriors could still dual wield
I got excited at the thought of dual wielding daggers with 3x RF and devastator but then found out they don't let you put anything but a shield in your offhand :(
exotic spoke
You’d be able to thunder clap and that’s it 😛
hallow phoenix
Revenge
stiff bear
Apparently i have to tank adds on orogozoa tonight since people are gone, any tips or basically just clap away? 🙂
hallow phoenix
Err NVM
exotic spoke
Can’t revenge with a dagger
exotic spoke
What are the other tanks you’re running with @stiff bear
stiff bear
Dh and monk, we usually have guardian doing the adds tanking
lofty wedge
From my experience monk has an easier time grabbing the ads
brittle owl
you can run with whatever setup tbh
lofty wedge
I’ve tried it as both
brittle owl
all are fine on boss
hallow phoenix
When I did a few attempts on orgo we had the monk put his ox statue about halfway between the 2-add spawn and the 1-add spawn. A single tclap pulled them off the statue and made gathering adds much easier
stiff bear
yeah but i dont wanan get into tanking the boss for reals since theyre kinda good on it, i main fury just the only one using my tanking spec for m+ besides the usual adds tank
exotic spoke
Yeah, but you can do whatever. It’s also easier to change one person than it is to change two
hallow phoenix
Not sure if it is a good strat but it worked for us on the few orgo attempts we did
exotic spoke
War can. It’s not fun. But I had to last night on one of our pulls
stiff bear
ah that ox thing could be nice, guess i can just clap the double adds taunt third one.. should be avatar ready for spawns
exotic spoke
Yeah, that should work
stiff bear
should be like m+ tanking just dont tab taunt boss xD and keep them in good cleave range
brittle owl
yep
exotic spoke
Pretty much grunkh. You’ll be fine
brittle owl
positioning well for your mages/cleavers is your only challenge
hallow phoenix
Is there a way to macro taunt to not cast if you're targeting orgo?
stiff bear
anyone know what the buff/debuff they get when taking less dmg is called? should make that one appear on plates bigger
tame garden
Desensitizing sting
stiff bear
thanks!
hallow phoenix
:(
lofty wedge
I’m trying to get my damage higher for mythic Ashvane prog, rn I’m using 430 urchin and 430 edicts, but I have a 440 butcher block and a 445 spore pod. I’m feeling pretty tanky, what should I try taking for that fight?
hallow phoenix
Cyclotronic + block
stiff bear
yeah cyclo is so much dmg
hallow phoenix
Devastator
lofty wedge
Ahh okay I’ll try that out. Any essences you’d recommend? Running VoP major and null+pearl minors
hallow phoenix
CoF major, null and vop minor
exotic spoke
@lofty wedge butchers block and cyclotronic blast
hallow phoenix
Soak an orb on the first wave to get null doing it's thing faster
exotic spoke
Cof major, vision minor, null (rank 3) minor.
hallow phoenix
Riki stop copies me
lofty wedge
Last night we tried 2 phase but I don’t think our team has the dps for it. So we might be trying 3 tonight
exotic spoke
What % did you get to?
hallow phoenix
I think you need about 650k raid dps to 2 phase?
lofty wedge
We were like 8-9% off what we needed
hallow phoenix
Make sure people are saving CDs for the actual burn
stiff bear
will i need any survival shit in down phase on oro as add tank? or can i go full blast aoe dmg traits/trinkets
lofty wedge
So it’s not looking good
exotic spoke
What percent after first shield break?
hallow phoenix
Uhh my raid did it with 650 overall dps
exotic spoke
But whatbwas your dps on shield break tusks
hallow phoenix
True, definitely higher because we basically used nothing during shields
exotic spoke
We had 824k on the exposed azerite phase
hallow phoenix
@lofty wedge your raid can probably make up that missing % by making sure to save CDs. There's always some mongo DPS padding their numbers somewhere
lofty wedge
To my knowledge they were, they were told to. But obviously I’d have to check all their logs to really see if they followed directions lol
exotic spoke
I think the goal is sub 60% without hero on first break
lofty wedge
We have a fair bit of people green parsing so that’s our big problem
exotic spoke
Have a log?
lofty wedge
Lemme grab it
brittle owl
sub 55 if you go for 2 phase
hallow phoenix
Just get 20 inkpods
brittle owl
that number can go higher depending on how many inkpods you have
exotic spoke
Depending on comp / execute classes
lofty wedge
For most of those we popped lust just to see how far we’d get with it
Since it’s our first night on it
exotic spoke
You have the dps
hallow phoenix
So 764k dps
exotic spoke
Oh wait
brittle owl
if you dps evenly in both phases yeah
exotic spoke
You heroed on first break
brittle owl
but with lust you should have 800 or more on first break easy
and during execute another 800 or more
exotic spoke
You’re over healing. You need to 2 tank / 3 heal if going for 2 phase imo
brittle owl
prepot and second pot on lust
hallow phoenix
Yeah averaged burn dps of 764 gets it tho
brittle owl
also what riki said
you don't need more than 3 healers
you can play with lusting during the last bubbles in the second shield for survival
lofty wedge
Yeah, we talked about that towards the end. The last few pulls we only had 3 I believe
exotic spoke
If you hero on first break you need to get to 45% or so
brittle owl
the boss tickles 👀
lofty wedge
Since it was our first night that probably why, people not wanting to waste money I guess. I’m guilty but I’m going to from now on
Yeah I honestly don’t know what was killing him, I don’t really take any damage from her
hallow phoenix
Was the pally the soak tank?
brittle owl
they're trying 2 phase
lofty wedge
We only had 2 tanks so he wasn’t doing the prot pally soak thing if that’s what you mean
exotic spoke
You need to get the right timing down. It’s actually important to use the right potions / prepot every pull on ashvane imo
hallow phoenix
Oh, the log im looking at has 3 tanks
lofty wedge
Oh when we had the pug dh go vengeance he took over the soaks
Cuz he had done it before and he said vengeance did it fine too
lofty wedge
The Paladin plays more classing than retail, and he’s really not the best. 61 neck. Kinda painful
Classic*
exotic spoke
So your hero / lust timing is really bad
brittle owl
seems like a classic level player tbh
hallow phoenix
Oof
exotic spoke
We’re weird and use it on phase one (don’t ask - it works for us)
But even then you want to use hero as the shield breaks so everyone pops all CDs at the same time
To maximize benefit
Not 10-25 seconds later
lofty wedge
Yeah, I think we just did it to see how far we could go. But I think as far as actually downing the boss we’d use it later
lofty wedge
As far as why it isn’t used right away, I couldn’t tell you why it was delayed
hallow phoenix
My guild delayed lust as well
lofty wedge
Lusters not paying attention probably
exotic spoke
Did 32k dps first shield break with hero while also being responsible for breaking coral twice
hasty nova
@stiff bear https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f4AHWaK9yFk8qBn3/#fight=last
this is my log for our guilds kill last night. we have two tanks on boss, and I tank the adds.
I honestly think this is best setup, because while other tank might be able to "Pick up adds" slightly better. no one can dps 3-4 targets like warrior.
hallow phoenix
I would absolutely hate having to do coral
exotic spoke
I do it because I’m usually the faster of the two tanks (other is DK)
solar tangle
can i also show our log
exotic spoke
So even when we have our BrM in I’m used to it
neat birch
is there something like droptimizer/QE live for tank specs?
stiff bear
@hasty nova thanks! well our guardian did frikking 45k dps or something so i got to bring it now 😛
solar tangle
to know what we are missing for ashvane prog?
brittle owl
sure
exotic spoke
Sure yzo
solar tangle
here or log-review
brittle owl
here is fine
exotic spoke
Here
hasty nova
Grunkh, you can also go full dps faceroll for the first room
brittle owl
i think its a healing issue tbh yzo
hasty nova
but in the bottom room, i would focus heavy on full midigation when u start to get like 6 or 7 adds
exotic spoke
Yzo is that pull three? I didn’t type the full link in
hasty nova
at the same time, i'm doing like 90k in the bottom room.
hasty nova
but i'm more focusing on keeping adds in correct postion, and keeping SB / LS up and when to pop shield wall /healthstone/abysal healing
solar tangle
lol i did?
brittle owl
😂 😂
exotic spoke
If you’re the fury warrior you taunted on pull three and the boss one shot you
solar tangle
there are quite a number of fury war
might not be me
😄
i try to remove taunt from action as much as possible while raiding
exotic spoke
Sinisterjini
solar tangle
lol
hasty nova
@solar tangle I also think you are having a healing problem.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f4AHWaK9yFk8qBn3/#fight=21&type=summary
here is our ashvane kill last night log.
we 4 heal it, you guys are 3 healing it and healers are doing less healing than ours.
exotic spoke
Holy fuck - you all need to spread out water logged more
Also, you look like you’re soaking some unnecessary ones
You have a dps with 5 stacks
That’s from your best pull. Your healers only have 1 each. And only one tank picked up a single stack of waterlogged
solar tangle
we try to take waterlog group by group
group 1 first soak
letting 2nd hit boss
after that 3 and 4 and 5
exotic spoke
I mean - yes, that’s what you do. But you have 24 stacks of water logged. I think that’s a couple extra
hasty nova
I think someone else mentioned this, but we have 1 tank pick up 3 waterlogs during p1b1. then p2b2-p2b3 the same tank picks up as much as he can and then the remaining tank solo tanks the boss until kill
exotic spoke
And dps shouldn’t have 3 (let alone 5) while a tank doesn’t have one
exotic spoke
Your healers have to plan out cooldowns / use them when they need to. People need to use defensives properly too
Having that many stacks is a death sentence for people when that many orbs hit the boss
hasty nova
Basically what Riki is saying,
Waterlogged (bubbles) are the only big mechanic on this fight. You MUST DO 3 things.
- Destroy all corals during p1 laser. - Each coral produces one bubble. Each extra bubble will make your entire raid suffer heavily.
- DPS the shield down in time for a bubble phase to be soaked by the boss and NOT by players. - Extra bubbles on players will cause your team to wipe.
- No dps should have more than 1 and at max 2 stacks of waterlogged from bubbles.
also take time to look at my log, or other peoples 2phase kill logs, to reference what they are doing.
exotic spoke
^^ more eloquently said
hasty nova
yeah yeah i just gotta fill in for ya cuz i know your shield ilvl slacking
solar tangle
i m not the rl in the raid
but they are
thinking
its the lack of dps
i dun think so
hasty nova
well just show them this.
solar tangle
we just need to handle mechanic more and
hasty nova
thats our healers on our kill
solar tangle
heal more rt?
hasty nova
hasty nova
this is your healers
hasty nova
we have 74k 55k 51k healing per second for 3 healers. you have 61k 57k and 34k for 3 healers
so just compareing 3 healers
yall are way lower
AND we have 4 healers so thats a whole other 47k HPS added to ours, which is already higher than yours
(not trying to say my d*** is bigger our guild is better) just trying to compare a kill to your wipes to show the difference.
Now, you "could" have a dmg problem too, not discounting that lol. but you certainly have a healing problem
hasty nova
yeah man, gl. Ashvane was a really hard kill for us
so was orgozoa tbh lol it took us 5 weeks to kill orgo
solar tangle
what number should a dps on average
exotic spoke
We did 202k hps on our third kill last night
hasty nova
so dps on average is hard to say considering different kills and timers. as a rule of thumb. during p1 shield break the health of boss should be 60%
exotic spoke
For our three healers
hasty nova
if you can get boss to 60% during first phase or 59%
you can kill the boss
in the 2nd phase
solar tangle
we are lusting at 1st shield break
hasty nova
oh fuck no don't do that
solar tangle
is there any difference
hasty nova
Well, i suppose it is all subjective personal preference
but in our experiance, you will need every bit in p2 shield break
and ALSO you need to be able to guage if you are having a dps problem
solar tangle
i mean it doesn't sound like personal preference
strong forum
hero in 2nd phase gives you exectue ontop
hasty nova
with no lust you should be able to get boss to 60%
exotic spoke
@hasty nova we do it. Don’t know why but it works for us
hasty nova
and with 3 warriors you will want as much excute as possible
strong forum
we get ashvane to 55-53% without hero on 1st burn
exotic spoke
Not saying it’s optimal - just saying it can work
hasty nova
yeah like i said, my ogrinal fuck no was personal opinion pulling through, i think there are a lot of groups who lust in different spots
yall must 3 heal it nomeratur
strong forum
well thats the way
hasty nova
we trying to gear our healers cuz orgozoa we use five healers lol
solar tangle
with 3 healer
exotic spoke
We get boss to 43-45ish with lust on first break
solar tangle
what % should we be aiming for
strong forum
57%
solar tangle
i see
exotic spoke
55-60% without lust
exotic spoke
^^
hasty nova
yes i agree with them 55-60 without lust will help ur raid leader determine if yall have the dps or not to kill ashvane
strong forum
ashvane is pure dps check if you dont fuck up corals
and tanks knowing what /when to taunt
when 2 tanking
strong forum
are your dps using CDs
on pull
if so
dont
nobody is supposed to use CDs on pull
and hold all their cds for 1st burn
except maybe DHs cuz they get their 2nd meta during 2nd burn if they use on pull
hasty nova
corals, soaks, barnicle bash, i mean there are mechanics but those are all so basic it's really not the point of the fight.
the bubbles and shield and how you mange those two things are the true "mechanics" of the fight.
also the fight has a hard cap dps check. it's basically the same as an enrage time. If you cannot kill the boss before S3 comes up or if 3p strat when S4 comes up. you might as well stop healing and wipe and try again.
exotic spoke
^^
hasty nova
yes also what nomeratur said, our guild had a problem burning cooldowns at start, which is VERY bad. all cooldowns need to be saved for when shield breaks
anyways gl i'm off to lunch
junior ivy
riki why dont you know css 😦
exotic spoke
Sorry, it’s cause I’m old. I know sql somewhat and it’s been a while but c++ too
Also
Hi catfriend
ember arrow
Wow good?
modern brook
WoW dead
west kayak
@junior ivy Udemy is your friend for learning. But only buy their classes when they are ~$10.
modern brook
lol paying for classes
why pay when u can listen to some incel speak into a low-quality mic while he streams VIM in 240p
maiden ravine
would it normally be better to get 15 ilvls on weapon or 15 ilvls on shield for us?
toxic gyro
Shield
white plaza
how much is avoidance worth on gear? I have 450 gloves verse over haste and 445 with mastery over haste plus avoidance. any thoughts? and thanks for the help
warm plinth
It's not worth anything
white plaza
gotcha
warm plinth
I'd use a piece with it over a piece without it if equal ilevel, but that's it
stiff bear
am i supposed to get incubation fluid as add tank on orogozoa? or are people not moving out?
exotic spoke
Depends on how long you’re going before phasing it
You may if it’s too long or if people suck
stiff bear
after 7th one we go down, got it on like 4th now but one dps was dead
exotic spoke
Still working on it personally. Second week. Down to 15% so I’m not an expert on the fight
We transitioned right after 7th incubation. 3 tanking - no tanks had the debuff and no deaths. So the death is probably why you got it (assuming you got it towards the end)
sick sentinel
@stiff bear if a tank gets the debuff then somebody else fucked up
warm plinth
Third time's the charm huh Kaege
exotic spoke
Truth. And that could be because they died
warm plinth
Did you do your KR yet Riki?
exotic spoke
Nope - I have to mentally prepare for it
warm plinth
Will you stream it?
sick sentinel
I have a 20 kr
warm plinth
😮
exotic spoke
I probably won’t - our Druid probably will
I’ll let you know when we do.
We have two Kr 20 keys. May drop one to 18 to get an idea where we can talk about it as we do it
warm plinth
Isn't your druid the one that streams with that viewport shit though? 🤢
exotic spoke
You stop talking about my Druid like that. @lusty bay is a good snow Mexican
warm plinth
Hey, @sick sentinel is good too; his UI is still shit
exotic spoke
Maybe I can convince our HDH or spriest to stream it too
warm plinth
I just did 😏
exotic spoke
Is it the basic blizzard ui?
warm plinth
No it's like Sco's UI if it was worse somehow
@sand egret plays with the default UI iirc
Mostly anyway
sand egret
👀
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcwxVh4b85I
warm plinth
That's actually not as bad as I remember it being
exotic spoke
It’s aight. I could get behind that
outer dew
default is best
warm plinth
It's still obnoxious that you have unit frames in the middle of your screen though
sick sentinel
where else would you have your target and yourself
warm plinth
Lower than that
sick sentinel
that's where my weak auras are tho
outer dew
it's because you not big brain
warm plinth
I'm giving you shit Kaege; stop trying to be logical!
outer dew
enough to understand
gentle sequoia
A bit offtopic, but has anyone ever had a bug, where Ashvane in unattackable?
exotic spoke
Nope
sick sentinel
not really personally
exotic spoke
Can’t say that I have
outer dew
Only thing that can attack my heart, is @warm plinth tbh
analog swift
I did have ab ug last night
where a guildie was stuck in the briny animation forever
gentle sequoia
lol
we just got to Ashvane and can't pull her
tried resetting the raid with different raid leaders
no lck
sick sentinel
did you click both the orbs
exotic spoke
Have you clicked the orbs?
gentle sequoia
yeah
outer dew
clearly
exotic spoke
Dafuq
outer dew
just not big brain enough
sick sentinel
have you tried turning on and off again
outer dew
to kill the boss
exotic spoke
Lol kaege
sick sentinel
open a ticket
oblique garnet
That bug is 10/10, kaege
sick sentinel
like 20 of them
oblique garnet
had that on our kill
warm plinth
Thanks Tofu ❤
gentle sequoia
yeah, we are spamming tickets rn
sick sentinel
how did you kill her without being able to attack her 
warm plinth
Clever use of game mechanics, obviously
exotic spoke
Think he means the briny bubble animation not disappearing
analog swift
also had a very weird bug where I couldn't eat food from my bag last night
exotic spoke
Yeah - different but Late
strong forum
so uh
edict bug out for anyone else
i constantly have to re equip it
to get my 83 instead of 75k absorb
feel like it doesnt take the secondary scaling into account
unless its just a tooltip bug
stoic pilot
Yep it bugs out a lot but I’m not sure if it’s just a visual bug or not
sick sentinel
between edicts of the faithless and bloodthirsty urchin, which one is best for m+ if you could only choose one?
edicts for me
stiff bear
didnt do enough damage on oro 😦 dont know what else to do than go dps traits/trinkets and clap.. feelsbadman..
was on like 35-36k phase 1 should be able to push out atleast 2-3 k more..
onyx vessel
I was pushing like 21k dps my cotank yelled at me like 10 times to stop dpsing
Wish he didnt do 10k dps ffs
Tried to teach him but i guess not
strong forum
have dps focus less on adds and more on boss @stiff bear sometimes its just dps focusin the wrong shit
once oyu meet the boss dmg you can adjust adds
vestal edge
adding a razor coral stack besides the first one still gives the damage proc right or just the stack
sick sentinel
also does the damage
vestal edge
i kinda wanna change all my ench and gems and stuff to crit
sick sentinel
don't
stiff bear
@strong forum we have killed it before with guardian add tank.. he did like 40-45.. and we had alot of tries where add dmg was too low as well 😦 forgot to swap one ablative for heed my call but thats not that huge
hallow phoenix
Change to mastery for 259% mastery memes
sick sentinel
@stiff bear ablative shielding is garbage tho
for literally anything
as far as prot warr goes
👆
I havent got anything in a month with loot
I just want my edicts and inkpod
I push out around 52k by phase 1 end
On org
void berry
Clean.
Having trouble on Za'Qul here.
Our DPS in the other phases are focused by the adds and put out, and it's super hard to get all of them 😮
exotic spoke
450 coral last night @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Healers after you fail a key: (NSFW)
near ivy
cc @white hamlet
warm plinth
Don't you speak French @junior ivy?
white hamlet
exotic spoke
Oof
Who would do that @white hamlet ?
exotic spoke
Lol
west galleon
oui
jolly falcon
Anyone have an opinion on using a 445 lingering sporepods in the place of something like a refracting prism or urchin? I don’t have either of those, and I don’t have much in the way of other defensive trinkets
sick sentinel
TFW when 10 minute drive from quebec and speak a lick of french
@jolly falcon sporepods is 
i feel bad for any warrior that has to use sporepods
jolly falcon
lmao, was unaware that it was THAT bad
sick sentinel
actually, wait, it's not complete trash, you can turn it into an expulsom!
it's good for dps on arena
warm plinth
That's assuming you would use the expulsom though @sick sentinel
jolly falcon
I have other more offensive trinkets at 430, just want some more self healing. I’ll continue my search lol thanks
warm plinth
Although I guess you can vendor it for some gold
pallid berry
damn, i didnt realize it was bad either
seemed like a good defensive trinket for if ya couldnt get the urchin
warm plinth
We aren't a healing tank; we're a mitigation tank.
pallid berry
well yea, but bit of healing never hurt
sick sentinel
all kinds of things you can craft with explusom, i mean, mostly mounts n shit but i always do my +5 explusom dailies whenever i see them on map
warm plinth
You're never going to get a meaningful amount of self-healing. At best you'll get a lot of absorb via IP, Null, Edicts
Unless your highest gear also happens to have a fuckload of leech on it
pallid berry
man wish i could grab edicts
warm plinth
Keyword to the lurkers: HIGHEST GEAR
sick sentinel
just
pallid berry
it just refuses to drop for me
sick sentinel
get a good trinket
outer dew
Healing tank?
warm plinth
Druids aren't healing tanks either Tofu
Though they are more of a healing tank than a warrior is. lol
sick sentinel
i'm with 440 howler and button, which are okay, but i would want to replace my button for an eye or better those bandages from KR
sick sentinel
I'm eating man you made me fucking choke
@sick sentinel bandages are BEYOND GARBAGE
warm plinth
Yikes
sick sentinel
thematically, as an engineer, the button is good though, and it is okay for pulling/aggro. but i mean, 2m cd is just ugh
sick sentinel
can you stop talking about
cursed
fucking
trinkets
don't use sporepods, don't use cyclotronic for mplus, don't use bandages, don't use big red button
warm plinth
You're a big red button
sick sentinel
they are making me one
sick sentinel
wait, so i should actually be using that trinket from tussle? even at 415 over a 440?
no because of ilvl\
warm plinth
😂
undone sun
👀