protection

[exotic spoke]

Just from a conceptual stand point

[sick sentinel]

The thing is that more rage feeds into more rage

[exotic spoke]

Not even looking at math

Yeah it snow balls

To be fair, some of the difference in casts will be from the devastator attack procs

But I’d say prioritizing revenge over shield slam isn’t optimal.

[sick sentinel]

The first revenge sure, spread deep wounds

what about in keys

same thing?

[exotic spoke]

Also, in m+, are you looking at tyrannical or fortified weeks?

Id take BV in either - but depending on pull size / affix I could see why devastator is doing better given what we’ve said + affixes

[sick sentinel]

Dev was doing better in both tyra and forti

[exotic spoke]

What level?

[sick sentinel]

But I might know the issue now

like 18/19s

since I prioritized revenge on booming and ss on dev

[exotic spoke]

Possibly not doing as big of pulls as you could?

And that yeah

[sick sentinel]

I always do giant pulls

lul

You're a prot warrior

you pull everything in a 60 yard radius

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know your pulls without seeing them 😛

And weeks like this I prefer chain pulling personally

Pack or two to half health -> next pack or two -> repeat

[sick sentinel]

I ss>revenge at even 6 targets

Well we'll see this friday what happens

So to confirm

it's better to hold booming for a few seconds so it gets all the targets

rather than just a few

or just 1 for that matter

[exotic spoke]

I think you should hold it the extra second or two to get them yes

[sick sentinel]

Kinda yes but not always

If it's because of add timers yeah

But like if it's because you're not in range

Try to move into position before hand

[exotic spoke]

Like he’s hitting the closest one to him but not the other two zoatroids spawns

[sick sentinel]

And try to not lose any casts

another thing is

Is it better to revenge on ST if you have rage even if it's not a proc over dev?

with booming

Revenge>devastate for dps

[oblique garnet]

-Kaege 2019

[sick sentinel]

What part if this sentence doesn't make sense

[oblique garnet]

Nothing

its a great quote

[sacred lion]

hi there, sorry for the noob/newbie question, but what are the best benthic pieces for prot warrior dps wise ?

the 2 most important for starters, crit boots and fish bracers ?

[limpid pawn]

So my guild is on m orgazoa- got it to 20%

A DK is tanking adds, and me and a pally tank the boss

I feel like I should be on the adds lol.

Just seems like I am almost always right about to pull Afro from the pally, and thunderclaps are sometimes pulling the adds

DK and pally would probably not ever pull Aggro from each other and I think I would do much more dps on the adds without losing aggro ever

Only downside is that they may get trucked by org

[strong forum]

according to Max from Limit, DK is one of the better boss tanks for Orgo... but

i dont see how

[exotic spoke]

Nome, what’s your guardian cotank linking me in Druid disc

I’m afraid

[strong forum]

memes

probably

hes a huge fit nerd

ah thats our Jaina

good meme

[exotic spoke]

Nothings coming up /shrug

[strong forum]

our infamous jaina attemtp

of "nothing can go wrong"

https://youtu.be/6H1YKa1DddE

[ionic fern]

I'm glad to announce that Protection Warrior is now officially supported on WoWAnalyzer (www.wowanalyzer.com).
Protection Warrior module includes rotational offensive and defensive spell usage,rage management and more warrior specific things like effective Shield Block casts and Brace for Impact tracker.
A lot of work and time has been put into this project over the last month to get it where it is now and i'd like to thank @sullen valve , @sick sentinel and Yajinni who all contributed a great deal to this.
Since this is the first version of it we are glad to receive any feedback regarding bugs or suggestions either in Discord or through WoWAnalyzer itself.

[west galleon]

pog

[icy garnet]

Hi. would you take loyal to the end over Iron Fortress? is loyal mainly only good in raid setups with other users?

[potent anvil]

[sullen valve]

YEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTT

[ionic fern]

@icy garnet yes, Loyal is better the more people have it. IF is a solid all arounder in all types of scenarios regardless of others.

[warm plinth]

Hell yeah, great job pinged folks and Marok

[icy garnet]

ty

[undone sun]

👏

[ebon geyser]

?

[acoustic cosmos]

I expect easter eggs @sullen valve

[ebon geyser]

What @sullen valve

[acoustic cosmos]

Such as go play brew and visit peak if the module detects you trying to be defensive

[exotic spoke]

@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

I'm pretty sure he tried to put those in there @acoustic cosmos

[exotic spoke]

Also, does it differentiate between BV / devastator?

[sullen valve]

Yes

[ionic fern]

Yes. It has different tooltips for if you use BV/Devastator and HR also different thresholds.

[exotic spoke]

Cool, just thought I’d make sure before looking at it

[ionic fern]

And if you use Ravager it tells you that you're bad.

[exotic spoke]

I know I’m bad

[sullen valve]

I'd get it working ask mwahi if it worked and it would turn into a
Yes but no

[exotic spoke]

Cause I hang out with Ghash

YEET

[rigid pumice]

Yeeeetttttt

@sullen valve am I doing this right ?

[sullen valve]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

http://prntscr.com/pd1hgv

@ionic fern

is this an actual thing

[rigid pumice]

Doesn't that give rage on cast

[sick sentinel]

It does but it casts a global

seems like a waste

[exotic spoke]

More rage is more better

[ionic fern]

As said - it's the first version of it. 🙂

[exotic spoke]

How much rage does it give btw? I don’t play horde

[sick sentinel]

it's a very minimal amount tho and you're taking away globals to do it

[sullen valve]

If this is a thing that is advised against we can turn it off

[rigid pumice]

Yeah if it's considered not worth the global easy enough to turn off.

[sullen valve]

It's just a default thing for all specs

[sick sentinel]

ah

Pretty sure it's adviced against

[exotic spoke]

How much rage does it generate.?

[sick sentinel]

15

[exotic spoke]

Though with devastator you usually have some open GCDs

[sick sentinel]

with dev using a GCD to fill pretty sure reduces damage as you aren't meleeing/dev

an all around reduction

[ionic fern]

But as stated - any feedback is welcome. There might be things we overlooked since we were more focused on Prot warrior specific things atm.

[exotic spoke]

The talent devastator

[ionic fern]

: )

[sick sentinel]

I know

your melee is stopped by a GCD

and that is a GCD

so you won't use dev/melee

[sullen valve]

Fyi feel free to ping me and ask about/request features

But we can totally turn off arcane

[exotic spoke]

That doesn’t sound exactly right but I don’t know enough to dispute it

Does it reset swing timer? Is that what you’re trying to say?

Sorry, does the cast reset swing timer? Is what I meant to say

[sick sentinel]

I don't know if this is a thing but it seems to track last stand/ shield wall usages on CD rather than when you're out of shield blocks

But I don't know if you could change that

Because how your cds go, shield wall and last stand are usually meant to refresh shield block stacks and you only use them when you're out of shield blocks

there are other means of surviving damage like abyssals/ healthstones that this should be tracking

not the usage of last stand and shield wall on CD

Don't know if you could also make it so it only counts shield block and other mitigition while actively tanking the boss

Same with rallying cry, it detects it on CD rather than points in the fight where it's needed the most

I guess in the stats page it does tell you active mitigation

but the overview is flawed and can mislead people

[ionic fern]

🤔
We can't tell the program for each fight when to use Rallying Cry etc since that depends on the fight/raid tacitc etc.. It informs you about your defensive options and when / what you could used better etc.

[warm plinth]

It's not intended to be a perfect tool. It tracks things for other classes that you may not necessarily use on CD but that it's still a decent metric if you take it with a grain of salt.

[undone sun]

It's not meant to show intricacies

[ionic fern]

^

[exotic spoke]

It looks at the Forrest not the trees

[warm plinth]

Like on prot paladin it bitches if I don't use Avenger's Shield on CD even though the reason I didn't is because of a ton of Judgment procs

[undone sun]

It's a basic tool to show overall performance, good or bad

[warm plinth]

You have to combine it with knowledge of the spec and think if it matters or not

[sick sentinel]

I mean if that's the case, no matter how well you actually use your blocks, it'll show it as a major issue to people

[sullen valve]

I mean no

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern SMH not giving my clever trolls credit for wowanalyzer

[sullen valve]

We had tested many logs where it was fine

[warm plinth]

It's probably not actually checking if you used it on CD. Because it's reading a log, it probably knows when you were taking blockable damage (totally assuming right now so may be wrong) and thus knows when you're just using it for DPS vs consistently for survival.

It's not intended to be a perfect hey you're fuckin dumb, do this better. It's just a spotlight of where you might be messing up.

[exotic spoke]

Hint for ghash and me it’s everywhere

[warm plinth]

Also @exotic spoke You're fuckin

[undone sun]

👏

[exotic spoke]

Someone has to fill in for Nimchip

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm actually scared to put a log in there

It's gonna be like just fucking quit WoW

[undone sun]

do it

[ionic fern]

😂

[exotic spoke]

And wow was that for something else ghash (other than what I just said?)

[sullen valve]

So there are two different shield block checks

1. Is did you cast it a lot
2. We're your cast good casts
   Good cast be offensive or defensive
   (Offensive is x sheild slams in it's duration, defensive x blockable hits in it's duration)

[warm plinth]

It was for what you said earlier

[exotic spoke]

Lol

Ok

[sick sentinel]

does it check blocks for radiance adds? since you don't block there at all

and just spam IP

[sullen valve]

No

[undone sun]

intricacies

[sick sentinel]

Probably why it was alerting me

[sullen valve]

It only checks blockable hits

[sick sentinel]

other logs it looks fine

ok nvm then, it was just that fight

[distant crystal]

false positives would be much better than false negatives

if that makes sense

it's fine to alert something that you can look at and say oh that's not an issue

vs not alerting something that could be an issue

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and like they said it's the first rendition so I'm sure some of the false positives can be adjusted/fixed entirely if we find weird shit.

[exotic spoke]

Oh and yeah I remember saying that

I don’t regret it

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't. I never said it wasn't true.

[sick sentinel]

@sullen valve yeet

[sullen valve]

👍

[rigid pumice]

@sick sentinel why is there like 3 dif shrikes? who you ripping off? lol

[outer dew]

@warm plinth ghash talk me out of this irrational desire to dump $100 in this mobile game

Actually, $100 more

[exotic spoke]

@outer dew tell you what - Venmo me half that and youll get the same result

[outer dew]

How?

[sick sentinel]

i would buy 10 pizzas with that money easily a better decision then spending money to mobile game

[exotic spoke]

You make me happy and you don’t get any long term benefit

[outer dew]

All those pretty skills mang

Wdym

[sick sentinel]

tbh throwing that money to garbage is also a better decision then spending it on mobile game

[outer dew]

It becomes a long term benefit if I play consistently:^)

[exotic spoke]

I mean is you’re wasting your money

[outer dew]

Same could be say about the wow sub too

Tsktsk

[sick sentinel]

tokens tho

[outer dew]

Time is money

[sick sentinel]

i didnt payed wow for areally long time

[exotic spoke]

Who pays for wow any more?

[sick sentinel]

including expansions

[exotic spoke]

Wow makes me money for hearthstone

[sick sentinel]

it made me money for warcraft3 reforged xd

[outer dew]

Iunno, I don't enjoy spending time to farm gold or do carries

And wc3 reforged is not for me. And I still actively play wc3

[exotic spoke]

I just gamble and have a good history of taking gold from my raiders

[outer dew]

Yea

[warm plinth]

I still pay for WoW

[outer dew]

I lost 2 mil for a night

And just gave up

Lmao

[exotic spoke]

Ooof

[undone sun]

yikes

[exotic spoke]

Wait @undone sun was that because of ghash?

[outer dew]

Never again

[undone sun]

yes

[exotic spoke]

Yeah ok - that’s what I thought

[outer dew]

Interesting

[exotic spoke]

That’s what my oof was for

[outer dew]

Now is this a yikes because you dont support WoW anymore

[exotic spoke]

I took 3M from someone in legion over the course of the expac

[outer dew]

Or is that because he's paying cash?

[exotic spoke]

Because he’s paying cash

[outer dew]

Meh, I see no problem with it

If no one paid for there sub there would either be no more gold

Or the game would be shut down rq

Considering how blizzard has been about supporting their games recently

[exotic spoke]

It’s funny 🙂

[warm plinth]

I don't farm enough to make that kind of gold

Especially since tokens are like 170k+ right now

[exotic spoke]

Thats why. I see no issue in playing wow - especially if you play it at a high level - as you can honestly build your resume with an extremely important skill

Team work / overcoming challenges

[undone sun]

unless you raided in wcg

there is no team building with tmsean

[sullen valve]

Hehe

Wcg

[exotic spoke]

Wcg ?

[undone sun]

wild card

[outer dew]

Lmao

[undone sun]

gaming

[exotic spoke]

Ahhh lol

[outer dew]

You know

A friend got CE with WCG

He messaged me his achievement right?

I deadass asked him how he liked being rroasted for fucking up the boss back to back

That was for jaina

[exotic spoke]

I meant more like high m+

Being able to say you worked with others to overcome challenges and were measured, by the most widely used system, as XXth in the world

[outer dew]

Meh

Theres no reward

[exotic spoke]

It’s how you sell it tofu. That’s all an interview is

[outer dew]

Once you push to a certain level, groups dont really run something else

And everyone annoys me in keys til a certain level

[exotic spoke]

I mean that’s why you put it based on your spec. Compare to others in your spec but /shrug

[outer dew]

My spec isnt the reason why you dont push some keys

It's the 5 monkeys in the key that do

:P

[exotic spoke]

That’s not what I’m saying

I feel like we are talking about two entirely different things

[outer dew]

Probably

The whole thing is me being bitter about some keys

Reason I stopped playing was a string of bad keys

During a push week

,zzzz

[oblique garnet]

Just dont push keys do boosts

Be a goblin

Hoard all that gold

[exotic spoke]

I’m just saying you can apply pushing high keys to something irl

[outer dew]

What

[warm plinth]

He's talking about putting raid leadership or pushing high keys on your resume (as something other than World of Warcraft obviously). Referring to it as coordinating a team to overcome obstacles or something like that.

[outer dew]

I see

I mean

A friend talked about playing rust

For his internship

[exotic spoke]

Yeah pretty much - team work

[outer dew]

And how he coordinated doing ahit and networked with people

LmO

[exotic spoke]

Nah, like saying you have a lot of successful experience working in groups to overcome tough challenges

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can have it in the skills part of the resume or something. You don't actually have to say it was WoW

[outer dew]

I screamed at the rogue very loudly for not kicking

[exotic spoke]

And then if they ask you go into big picture detail

Myself and 4 friends put together a group for our hobby where we became top xxth in the world in our respective roles, by the most widely used measuring system

[sick sentinel]

tofu

let's game out some keys

[outer dew]

Who dis?

[exotic spoke]

You could also add in thinking outside the box too

[outer dew]

I spell reflected cyclone strike

No one expected that shit

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[exotic spoke]

Feelsbadman - seeing certain discord alerts pop up while at work

[sullen valve]

@sick sentinel i made a change to remove arcane torrent from the suggestions. You should be able to see it when they accept the pr

[warm plinth]

@outer dew I spell reflected cyclone strike the other day. Except I missed my Spell Reflect keybind. 😬

[outer dew]

Big brain

You were trying to bait his cyclone strike

So you can reflect him

I gotchu mang

You pvping

[sick sentinel]

today in a 21

I charged boss

and because my charge is shiftQ

and my reflect is on Q

[warm plinth]

Fucking RIP

[sick sentinel]

I used spell reflect on pull

and didn't realise

[warm plinth]

Also wtf kind of keybind is shift Q

Weirdo

[sick sentinel]

I have long fingers

[sand egret]

breh

[limpid pawn]

wait you can reflect all 3 cyclone strikes?

[sand egret]

dual off gcds on shift modifiers

is....questionable

[sick sentinel]

your face is questionable :c

[limpid pawn]

I don't want to mess up anyone's keys

[sand egret]

yeah you can reflect cyclone strike (all the little ones, but only if they hit at the same time)

[warm plinth]

Yes brolikk

As long as it's NOT targeting you

[limpid pawn]

right so you have to stand right in front

not targetting me... ok

[sick sentinel]

@limpid pawn get a bud

and go in m0

and try it

[warm plinth]

It's really easy if you don't think about it.

[sand egret]

and uh, watch out for the Zap cast

[sick sentinel]

if nobody interrupts ranged boss

the second zap cast will overlap

[limpid pawn]

no, I believe you - your rep in this discord is enough for me

[sick sentinel]

so you need to interrupt second cast

[limpid pawn]

so, do the tornadoes just go back to the boss?

[warm plinth]

Blade's reputation in this server is for bad puns

[limpid pawn]

or do they still have to be dodged?

[warm plinth]

Sure you want to trust him? 😂

[limpid pawn]

i see him quoted by other people

"rage feeds into rage"

genius

[warm plinth]

I actually didn't pay attention to that tbh. I just stood in front of it like a man and hit my button

[limpid pawn]

that is enough for me to trust everything he types

[warm plinth]

I saw I didn't take damage and the boss did and that's all my tiny woyer brain comprehended

[limpid pawn]

on raidbots, if I wanna sim for aoe

is it "hectic cleave"

or is there a better option?

[warm plinth]

I want to say they still go through you and have to be dodged (but not by you) but I could be wrong. I really don't remember.

I personally prefer Patchwerk with multiple targets.

HAC is a single target with periodic add spawns, which isn't really representative of a M+ pack

[limpid pawn]

oh ok

yeah i'm trying to sim for dat m+

[sand egret]

hectic add cleave will prob be your closest bet

[limpid pawn]

i actually just got all my perfect benthics lol

[sand egret]

(benthics suck in M+ fwiw)

[limpid pawn]

yeah i was going to use it for raid parsing

[warm plinth]

I would sim for single target Patchwerk (I usually do a 3 minute sim since that's about the average kill time for a boss) and then 5-target patchwerk for 1 minute and then kinda use my best judgment to decide from there.

I would do shorter than 1 min on the multi-target but sims can get wonky on super short durations

[sand egret]

simming for M+ is kinda...questionable since your pull size and cadence will cause a bunch of variance in your dps results

versus like a raid boss only summons X adds

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I mean I don't sim on my warrior at all. But that's how I do it for my DH

[sand egret]

yeah i dont even sim at all myself (only for shits and giggles from time to time)

[warm plinth]

I like ignorantly going for the highest ilevel since that's actually not a bad thing to do on warrior. I fucking hate having to drop ilevel on shit

[limpid pawn]

yeah me too

in sims, i keep getting razdun's big button as my aoe best

[sand egret]

yeah it's a shitty reality

[limpid pawn]

which is just ass- i hate that trinket

[warm plinth]

Like I actually went from 440 equipped to 349 equipped on my DH because I got a 430 socketed ring that was better than my 440 non-socketed. Felt horrible.

[sand egret]

sims are cum grano salis

[warm plinth]

Fortunately I hit 65 neck and got my middle trait on an azerite piece and got it back shortly after.

[limpid pawn]

a trinket i really like is vial

i feel like it's great for huge pulls in M+

[warm plinth]

As long as you don't macro it, yeah

[limpid pawn]

its godly in my freehold boosts

[sick sentinel]

vial is pretty good if you don't macro it

[limpid pawn]

yeah i dno't maacro it

[exotic spoke]

Brolik, I didn’t see it answered - others have to dodge the cyclones

And be sure to not move away from the boss when reflecting cyclones

[warm plinth]

Yeah like, move in front, plant yourself, reflect, move after they go through you

[sudden kayak]

any one play devastator or is that a bad thing if u spec in there

[distant crystal]

devestator is best for st dps

[exotic spoke]

It is a loss in survivability and you shouldn’t use it for keys in just about any scenario

[brittle owl]

you use deva for raiding

either parsing or pushing damage

[sudden kayak]

o kk

like this or naw

[grand drum]

use crackling thunder or safeguard, not stride

[undone sun]

though not a detrimental tier

[sick sentinel]

i use stride i like it more then thunder

safeguard is good for KR and stuff

i dont think anyone needs the extra aoe range from thunder

[exotic spoke]

Safe guard is good for lots of things

[warm plinth]

I use Stride, but Safeguard is good. Frankly I feel that Crackling Thunder isn't necessary.

[sudden kayak]

how bout now

[warm plinth]

The 30 row and the 75 row are mostly personal preference. Whatever you're comfortable with is fine; none of them are gamechanging talents. I use stride and storm bolt. Only one I'd stay away from is Menace, because you insta-break Intimidating Shout anyway, so it's useless.

[proven smelt]

What's the strat for a Prot warrior in 2s? Seems like every match I just get igbored and they swamp.my partner... Then it's a slow death for me

[sick sentinel]

Strat is dont play prot

[proven smelt]

That's what I figured, but wanted to double check just in case I was missing something obvious...

[distant crystal]

bodyguard yo

[warm plinth]

Ask @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

lol

cyclo + cof + maledict -> live as long as you can and be as annoying as you can

[onyx vessel]

Dead for 4hrs 🤔

[distant crystal]

confirmed ded gaem

[sweet summit]

How competitive are top 100 rankings on bosses on heroic compared to mythic?

[undone sun]

not very

[crisp pecan]

have not been here for ages, damn good to see @ionic fern promoted to senior strategy executive for prot warriors.

[ionic fern]

That name sounds so much cooler than "Theorycrafter".

😂

[warm plinth]

SSEfPW

[ionic fern]

Think we gotta make a petition for role name change.

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth SSE is enough

[warm plinth]

Lol.

[onyx vessel]

Theorycrafting for prot hmmmmmm

[brittle owl]

he does craft a lot of theories as to when analyzer is done

[sand relic]

If im in all 420 azerite still should i use my residue on 430 or 445 ?

i was debating if i should just go for 430 since its cheaoer

since i can only get 1 445 piece

or go for a couple 430

[autumn pendant]

445 imo

[strong forum]

Depends on what gear you have available, and what you can get quickly.
I went for 430s,then 445s for example

Cuz I didn't get raid azerite for literally 2 months

Neither hc or mythic

[distant crystal]

yeah if you have 420s now

you can buy full 430+ for t he price of 1 445

worth imo

[solid jungle]

Hi guys ! Our war tank is complaining about not pulling enough dps on Orgozoa MM (He is tanking the adds)
Here out log from last night kill : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xa9cJvRxZzVA83Hg#fight=last

Any advice for him ?

[south yarrow]

@gaunt dawn

xd

Wait is he complaining about himself not doing enough damage? Or just not enough damage being put into them in general?

[solid jungle]

Not enough overall dps I guess, he was talking about other tanks being at 50k+ overall @south yarrow

[south yarrow]

I mean what is he going for lol, tank the adds further away from boss so other dps can't reach

and you have them all for yourself

[ionic fern]

Considering he's running BV but using demo shout 4 times in 8 minutes i'd say it's a problem

[south yarrow]

can't really recommend it but yeah

The real question is why isn't he coming here himself lol

[gaunt dawn]

the adds arent in range

so kill time is slow

which lowers your dps

📝

[solid jungle]

@south yarrow He is shy and his english level isnt really good I guess

[gaunt dawn]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Xa9cJvRxZzVA83Hg/26-Mythic+Orgozoa+-+Kill+(7:56)/Spãrkle

[south yarrow]

pepehands okay that's fair

[gaunt dawn]

can give you some high level overview

[sand relic]

what peices from residue are bis

[ionic fern]

So there's reasons for adds not dying fast enough like Panth pointed out due to them being tanked too far away from melee cleave range..and then there's reasons that he doesn't use his abilities correctly like Demo Shout.

[sand relic]

what slot from residue vendor are worth getting ?

[gaunt dawn]

barely casting devastate so not getting any refunds

[ionic fern]

@sand relic depends on what you have and what you're aiming for.

[sand relic]

for m+ tanking

@ionic fern

[marble cipher]

Kraken shoulders are gucci, Ashvane chest (not from raid, it's from residuum but it's got "Ashvane" in the name) as well

Not overly sure about helms, I use Mecha hardmode helm

(and am saving up to 200k residuum for Ashvane chest)

[sick sentinel]

bis

@marble cipher I rolled chest first week from my first weekly+ all the residuum I had saved up

[marble cipher]

Damn, gz 😉

[sick sentinel]

then I saved up 200k for shoulders

[marble cipher]

Those are Kraken shoulders right?

[sick sentinel]

ya

[sand relic]

@marble cipher @ionic fern this is what i have https://gyazo.com/be33d29b05b5246df30e0e7926b6383f should i go for 445 or 430

mostly all 420 stuff

[marble cipher]

yeah, I got Kraken first shoulder gamble, but now I'm saving for Ashvane chest. What helm is it in your list @sick sentinel ?

[sick sentinel]

the best helm is abyssal malevolence

[ionic fern]

Jeah, for m+ you want Kraken Shell Pauldrons (BoM,MS,UF) - Ashvane Warden's Cuirass (BoM,MS,UF/OP) - Warhelm of Dread Waters (DC/BoM/UF).

[sick sentinel]

but I am using randiance helm

[ionic fern]

But if you can get engi or abyssal it's good also.

[sick sentinel]

radiance helm is slightly worse

because IV>RP

[marble cipher]

Hm, should look into pugging Radiance mythic then, to upgrade my 435 helm

[sick sentinel]

yeap

you can pug 3/8

easily

[sand relic]

u saw what i linked

[sick sentinel]

yeah well

[sand relic]

what should i use my residue on

[marble cipher]

Aye, it's not hard, just not many available until x-realm is open

[sand relic]

430 or 440 n what should i go for

[sick sentinel]

@sand relic idk if you wanna use your fury azerite or not

[sand relic]

i am using my fury azerite

[marble cipher]

fury main?

[sand relic]

the stuff i have on now is my tank stuff

this is n alt i mainly just do m+ on him

i do tank n fury

not sure what to go for from vendor

[sick sentinel]

go on shoulders bom+bbi+op+rp

the 420 ones

if you don't wanna reforge fury stuff

[marble cipher]

How much residuum do you have to spend atm @sand relic ?

[sand relic]

25k right now

was debating on saving for 445

tomorrow

or upgrading all my 420

[marble cipher]

I'd do that tbf, gamble a chest or helm 445

ilvl will still beat the other items, even if you would prefer to have the correct traits, it's 25 ilvl higher for that slot, chest gives most stats if you had to pick one

[sand relic]

so wait for 445

[marble cipher]

(30 ilvl if your neck is leveled enough of course)

[sand relic]

is the 445 shoulders i currently have better for fury or prot ?

[marble cipher]

well, "wait", you can get it tomorrow probably if you've done a decent enough key

[sand relic]

ya i did a 10 so far

I have these shoulders im curious if there better for fury or prot Pauldrons of the Great Unifier

[marble cipher]

you'll need more, since you need 47250 for a 445 (if I'm not mistaken), you won't get 22k residuum for a 10

[sand relic]

Im prolly 2 weeks away

[sick sentinel]

I guess that works

I doubt anybody will disagree with this

[marble cipher]

Great Unifier are "ok-ish" for prot, first ring traits are a bit bad though, so it's better for fury

Yeah, I'd agree with @sick sentinel 's setup for tanking keys, you'll be fine to run M+ with that set while gathering residuum to buy new stuff

[sick sentinel]

I just didn't touch your fury azerite

[marble cipher]

And since you got a 445 shoulder (albeit for fury), you might as well make helm or chest the first gamble, as you get a chance it will be good for prot, or for your fury spec

[sand relic]

are any of u good at fury as well u can setup my fury set

or is my current peices i have good for fury

[sick sentinel]

I will just trust that you're using the highest simming

[marble cipher]

for fury it's easy yeah, just sim

[sand relic]

ya i am but i cant sim much dont have paid copy

[marble cipher]

you can sim with free version

[sand relic]

im broke

[marble cipher]

just takes longer

[sand relic]

ya but i cant do mroe then like 3 peices

[sick sentinel]

you don't need to reforge to sim

[marble cipher]

pm me your simc list, and I'll run them through my account if you want

[sand relic]

so with the gear u set me up with for prot i should wait for 47k residue and go for 445 and go for chest first ?

[marble cipher]

I would personally yeah, since helm gives you two great prot traits, of which one you don't really want to lose (DC)

[sick sentinel]

shoulders

you have a 4/6 to get a good pair of shoulders

[sand relic]

what about helm

i mean chest im sorry

[marble cipher]

also true, I just went with the fact that it's the only slot he already has at 445, so, for pure ilvl, he could use those for tanking

[sick sentinel]

he doesn;t have a 445 pair of shoulders

because fury

[sand relic]

are most bis pieces from residue or does alot of good peices come from raid

[sick sentinel]

you can get full bis from vendor

but also helm from raid

so shoulders and chest from vendor

[sand relic]

is the gear i use for m+ the azerite also good for raid tanking ?

[sick sentinel]

don't worry about bis, worry about having 3xBoM 1DC

yeah

[marble cipher]

I don't tank raids (on warrior, I use the overpowered monk for that), but I think the traits work well enough in raids as well

[crystal dirge]

any of you play m+ without lucid dreams? I don't feel like it procs enough, the versa uptime is not that good, it's better to take aegis/strife imo, thoughts?

we played whole last season without extra rage procs take that into consideration

[sick sentinel]

most of us play without lucid dreams

[sand relic]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eRQ9zbprJWiU5RiajUUxqp

thats my shitty dps set

[sick sentinel]

@crystal dirge

[sand relic]

@sick sentinel i dont have many essences i barely have any but which essences should i aim for for m+ tanking

damn i dont got any of those on this toon

fuck me

[sick sentinel]

lucid and aegis are also good minors

[crystal dirge]

I'm pretty good on haste, null barrier/aegis would be better for me I think

[sick sentinel]

"pretty good on haste"

what

[marble cipher]

I run lucid in M+, but ..... that's me being lazy and not having decent ranks of the others

[autumn pendant]

NEVER ENOUGH HASTE

[crystal dirge]

pretty good on haste as in, I can do the tree boss in wcm without resetting on anything up to 19

[sick sentinel]

null isn't that good for mplus

since the strong part of it is the damage and the damage is split amongst all targets hit

you never have enough haste

[marble cipher]

Sphere rank 3 is 50k honor right?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[marble cipher]

😢

[sick sentinel]

but rank 2 is enough

[sand relic]

do u guys think they will add a catch up mechanic soon for essences ?

cause this is miserable

[crystal dirge]

does haste do anything for me dmg wise?

[marble cipher]

I have rank 2, might switch out my lucid to that then

[sick sentinel]

there is a very negligible difference between rank 2 and rank 3

haste is on par with crit for dps

[autumn pendant]

And since they nerfed honor farm even more

You might be okay just with rank 2

[sick sentinel]

haste is more dps than vers fam

[marble cipher]

Was working on Conflict last week, but, it turns out I absolutely hate arena/pvp, and it's not worth it for me to break a few keyboards to be able to get CnS 😄

[crystal dirge]

is it? how so?

[sick sentinel]

more GCDs inside avatar

more avatar uptime

more demo shout uptime

[sand relic]

does any1 kno ?>?

[sick sentinel]

what are you asking @sand relic

[sand relic]

if there will be a catch up system for essences

[crystal dirge]

I think you need a fuckton of haste to lower gcd significantly

[sick sentinel]

no just do them

haste is our best stat by far

[sand relic]

I have 7 toons 430 ilvl. I like playing my alts, but this essence system make it impossible

i kno 7 is a bit extreme

[sick sentinel]

you don't have to get the absolute best essences

you can get the good enough ones

and be fine

[sand relic]

so which good enough ones would u recommend

cause right now all i have is anima and crucible

[autumn pendant]

No catchup announced yet

[brittle owl]

sphere is easy to get

[sick sentinel]

vision major+lucid dreams and sphere, even rank 1 is good

just get rank 1 tbh

[crystal dirge]

vision of perfection is the must to have, the rest you can variate I guess

[brittle owl]

vision is easy to get

c&s is also easy to get

[autumn pendant]

Just takes few weeks

[sand relic]

ya its ez if u have people to do ekmchagon with

pugs are awful

[sick sentinel]

CnS is good

[brittle owl]

just do normal

[sand relic]

and still dont kno fights

[brittle owl]

and zerg it with high ilvl

[sick sentinel]

aegis is good

[sand relic]

i kno im talking about normal

[brittle owl]

you can bruteforce it easy

aegis i would put it on a lower prio, since it's situational and req you to play around it

[sand relic]

my biggest issue is not wanting to pvp to get essences. My main toon is my 444 rogue and i still havent done pvp to get his essences. but he does pretty damn good

[brittle owl]

and you might want to farm benthic first , for raid 🤷

c&s is braindead easy to get r2

[sand relic]

is benthic even good for tanking ?

[brittle owl]

its good for dpa

[sick sentinel]

only for parses

[brittle owl]

dps*

or pushing damage 🤷

[marble cipher]

it is, for dps while tanking 😄

[crystal dirge]

parses and if you push bleeding edge, otherwise don't bother

you lose more braincells trying to farm them

[marble cipher]

but yeah, cns rank 2 is achievable

[autumn pendant]

So is rnak 3

[marble cipher]

without too many keyboard breaking face smashing swear words

[autumn pendant]

Just takes a while without higher cr

[marble cipher]

yeah, 15 weeks 😦

[sand relic]

Out of the trinkets i have right now which should i use for tanking m+ https://gyazo.com/83aa242c2922e5838789544322b03c38

[brittle owl]

1.4k is easy

5 weeks

[sick sentinel]

@brittle owl you have to understand something when you're giving advice, evaluate what the person who is doing and what level he is playing in to give advice

[brittle owl]

you don't lose rating until 1.4

[strong forum]

You lose rating you drop below said mmr

[sick sentinel]

@sand relic jes+block

[strong forum]

If your win rate is less than 50% you will eventually lose rating

But with a perfect 50 % win rate you will already gain

[brittle owl]

i don't evaluate, i just give general 🤷 pushing damage is always good, but it's up to them to decide if its worth or not

[strong forum]

Rating steadily

[brittle owl]

its a case by case thing

[sick sentinel]

at this point tho mael

telling this guy to go for benthic

[brittle owl]

is new, true

[sick sentinel]

is the wrong advice

[sand relic]

@sick sentinel u dont think bindstone is better then jes howler

[brittle owl]

might want to

who knows

idk how much he wants to play

maybe he has giga free time

[strong forum]

Nobody wants to grind benthic on 5 chars everyday for weeks

[sick sentinel]

he has 7 characters you can't reasonably play enough to go for stuff like that

@sand relic I don't even know what it does

[crystal dirge]

@sick sentinel simmed myself on diff modes, haste really does seem on par with even crit for me with my current stats, says that the best achievable dps for me rn is Vision+Null+Sphere

[sand relic]

ya i got 7 toons 430ilvl and higher. My rogue and my druid have most rank 3 essences. Im just starting to work on essences for other toons

[crystal dirge]

Have to get r3 CnF and we'll see after

[sick sentinel]

@crystal dirge

[marble cipher]

null is best ST dps when you can get it to break consistently

not in M+

[crystal dirge]

ye I know that part, did it with hectic add cleave too, still higher than aegis/r2 CnF

[sand relic]

@sick sentinel https://gyazo.com/d41a9c2de77bd242a4f1eeda5419312a

[sick sentinel]

and you can't realistically make it break every single time

unless if you're a monk

@sand relic jes+goreblock

[sand relic]

kk ty

[marble cipher]

Even on my monk I can't break it consistently in certain dungeons

[sick sentinel]

isn't stagger nature damage

[sand relic]

should i use jes for dps or survival

[marble cipher]

stagger is physical

[sand relic]

in m+

[sick sentinel]

dps

then not even monks

you can't realistically break null 100% of the time and that makes it a lot worse in dps

[marble cipher]

no, I hardly use it in M+ on monk, only in certain dungeons, or running with pugs in SotS (so low interrupts)

[sick sentinel]

sots and motherlode

[marble cipher]

yeah, ML it's a default pick

[crystal dirge]

the question is if sims take that into consideration? Just hopped in a +18 KR to try it, and it still did 5% of my overall

[sick sentinel]

sims break the shield every single time

[marble cipher]

sims do indeed break it on cooldown afaik

[sick sentinel]

also

if you shroud

you have to break the shield or rightclick it

and then go

[sand relic]

so @sick sentinel should i go for lucid since its easy to get and the naj rep esences for tanking ?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[brittle owl]

or if you have emisaries beneath your level in certain dungeos

😩

[sick sentinel]

they fixed that

mael

[marble cipher]

CoF and Lucid are the "easiest" ones if you're an altoholic yeah

[sick sentinel]

how long have you had to do mplus

[brittle owl]

i wouldn't call z-axis fixes done in blizzs case

[crystal dirge]

I mean, yesterday WCM 20 we were clearing Raal's corridor and got 3-4 packs from upstairs randomly from behind 🙂

[sick sentinel]

tides and enchanted don't work if you are not in the same Z axis at al

[brittle owl]

ill still expect it

[sand relic]

i am n alt holic lol

[sick sentinel]

you can literally be on 1 step higher

[sand relic]

i get bored playing 1 toon

My rogue n my druid tho have pretty much rank 3 everything all but the pvp stuff

i havent pvp much

I been tanking on my druid alot

but im pretty sure warrior is much better

for m+

[crystal dirge]

ah so that's why sometimes Tides doesn't give the aura to mobs

makes sense

[sick sentinel]

you can literally be on a tiny rock

and it doesn't work

[autumn pendant]

Blizz design

[brittle owl]

coding*

tbh

[sick sentinel]

2004 lua is showing its flaws

[brittle owl]

15 y old game that has been added upon

[autumn pendant]

In my head those two are very similiar

[brittle owl]

its to be expected 🤷

[marble cipher]

wait, so if you are on a different z-axis, but the tides AND the mobs are on the same, you can still interrupt/stun?

[sick sentinel]

they are completely different rez

[marble cipher]

I thought it was the tides and the mobs that had to be on different "levels"

[brittle owl]

and it wont go away too soon

[sick sentinel]

on of the tides is on different than the mobs

[marble cipher]

kk

[brittle owl]

cuz its a titanic job to fix the framework

[sand relic]

would u guys say warriors are way ahead of druid tanks for m+

[marble cipher]

yes

[sand relic]

monks as well

[brittle owl]

nah

[marble cipher]

but, it doesn't really matter in sub 15-ish keys

[brittle owl]

except high tyr wm

[marble cipher]

or even a bit higher

[brittle owl]

doesnt matter sub 21 keys

[sand relic]

Im really praying they remove this essence system

I really am

[marble cipher]

all tanks can do well, only a few will be easier to push very high keys on

warrior is just more fun than other tanks in M+, and I tend to enjoy my monk in M+ too, but that's more due to the toolkit, not the abilities

(and all that is just opinionated, someone else might enjoy his DH a lot more 🤷 )

[sand relic]

I was liking my Dh for m+

they seem alot of fun to play and big dmg

[autumn pendant]

Dh tank like it was in legion 👀

[sand relic]

i wish

[autumn pendant]

Tbh they only shined in m+

And still did less healing than bdk

[sand relic]

but are u guys with me u hope they remove essences. do alot of u guys enjoy playing multiple alts ?

[autumn pendant]

I enjoy essences

Not acquisition

[sand relic]

cause i alrdy farmed visons on 2 toons i dont wanna do it again for my wariror and i feel like i really need to

im just so many weeks away

[marble cipher]

They won't change essences until very late into the expansion I think, if they even change it at all

do it on your warrior, VoP is ❤

[sand relic]

I wont do hardmode cause i dont have people to run with so im literally like 6 weeks away

[marble cipher]

And, it's not even a bad one to farm, compared to some other essences

even rank 1 will be something you'll equip in your major on prot in M+

[sand relic]

ok so for prot tank for m+ i use vision major and what 2 easy minors to get that arent hard

[sick sentinel]

Who's the #2 tank when it comes to M+ damage?

[sand relic]

i dont wanna pvp if i dont have 2

[marble cipher]

in high M+ (21+), it will be monk I think, due to Conflict and Strife

@sick sentinel

[brittle owl]

all tanks are pretty even on dmg tbh

[marble cipher]

And, I don't even know if prot warrior is #1 in those keys, but I think they are, at least a well played prot vs a well played monk on that level will come close (depending on pull sizes and affixes)

[brittle owl]

monk does way more overall on the highest of keys

the higher the key the more damage they can do

[marble cipher]

^

[brittle owl]

conversely the higher the damage the more they heal

and it just goes on like that lmao

[strong forum]

I haven't seen monks above 35k overall tho.
Pretty sure warri does a bit more. But ye Monks scale really well with higher keys

[marble cipher]

their self heals scale immensely with damage intake, and when using CnS, their damage scales as well with damage intake, so yeah, they get better and better the higher you go.
But, only when played well, and on those high keys

[sick sentinel]

ST belongs to?

[brittle owl]

any tank can do 40k in keys overall, depends on how you pull and your comp(sometimes week)

depends how high

paladin has the highest st damage, but not by much

[crystal dirge]

do you guys know anything about Tides emissary's melee attacks dealing magic or physical dmg?

[marble cipher]

on my keys (13-14 ish), I pull ahead slightly on warrior compared to my monk, on overall dps.
And that's with the warrior being 10 ilvls lower, so pretty sure I could pull ahead a lot more on warrior in equal gear

[crystal dirge]

I vaguely remember reading something on pala discord about BoP not working but spellwarding does, that's why I'm asking

[marble cipher]

magic @crystal dirge

[sick sentinel]

Because the consensus from Trance and JB's group this week was the only way they were doing a 24 Tyr Sisters (WCM) was if they had a Prot warrior.

[crystal dirge]

That was probably cause of spell reflect?

[brittle owl]

on high tyr wcm

you need spell reflect

[sick sentinel]

Ah yes, that's right.

[marble cipher]

Sisters can tear a monk apart with all the healing required for the party, rather than being able to be pumped into the monk

(high tyr)

[brittle owl]

nah monk is fine

[sick sentinel]

Well they were referencing the damage breakpoints

[brittle owl]

the dps check is what cucks you

[sick sentinel]

So yeah it'd be spell reflect

[brittle owl]

on high keys

[strong forum]

Tanked tree boss to 75 stacks on 16 yesterday

That was kek

[crystal dirge]

yep, few hundred k extra dmg on witches makes a huge difference

every 20 seconds I mean

[brittle owl]

if you look on logs

spell refl does around 15k dps by itself

on a 21

[sick sentinel]

Yeah on Sisters you need to straight pump to get past the Dire Ritual

[crystal dirge]

in case your group isn't consisting of potatoes who "accidently interrupt" after you called reflect 3 times on a 20

makes me wanna alt f4

[brittle owl]

on a 20 it's still fine without it

even higher

but at some point

[crystal dirge]

ye but I like seeing big numbers:p

[brittle owl]

it becomes impossible without reflect

SR doesnt show on dmg meters

[crystal dirge]

no but it does show up on my screen when it hits xD

also, the point of doing high keys is to get to the point when reflect will be mandatory

if your group can't do it on 20, you have no guarantee they will not int on a 28 when you ask for it

exaggerating but point is the same

[brittle owl]

tru

[marble cipher]

I constantly have someone interrupt blood bolt on first boss in UR when I asked them not to.
I cry a bit inside every time that happens

[brittle owl]

it doesnt do that much damage now

its not like s2

[marble cipher]

nah, but still

[brittle owl]

someone did a 30 UR first boss on tourney realm

with 5 prot wars

[marble cipher]

S3?

[brittle owl]

s2

when it did giga dmg

[marble cipher]

ah, yeah, I saw that one 😄

taunt - reflect - taunt - reflect

massive dmg

[autumn pendant]

30 UR

👀

[brittle owl]

tournament realm

they just memed the first boss

[autumn pendant]

I was aware of that

But still 👀

[exotic spoke]

“Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself”

[torn gust]

for m+, 430 socket urchin or a 445 gore buster block, also got 455 inkpod

[brittle owl]

inkpod isn't that good in m+

depending on your key lvl/group skill, i'd use gore and inkpod on lower keys and gore and urchin on higher ones

[naive panther]

Anyone open their box right at reset know this weeks affixes?

[warm plinth]

Bolster/Griev/Fort

We have the full rotation now, so you can check resources like mythicpl.us or the MDT addon and find the next week at this point.

[naive panther]

Ok thanks

[strong forum]

Ohno

Ohnon{

Ohnononono

M+ is dead bros

Once again

Until next tyr week

[warm plinth]

What'd you get from your chest Nome?

[strong forum]

Nothing

Cuz im EU

[warm plinth]

Oh

[rose moat]

435 shield or 430 shield with a socket

[warm plinth]

435 shield

[ivory barn]

affixes for this week O.o

[west galleon]

ya sucks

[warm plinth]

Yeah, we were expecting it. We're back to Week 1 on the rotation now.

[west galleon]

it's tides week tho?

or void

[ivory barn]

wasnt it tides last week?

[warm plinth]

It's void; it was enchanted last week

There are 3 different emissaries and it's a 12 week rotation, so the same emissary setup is going to be with the same affix combination each time

e.g. Bolst/Griev/Fort will always have void emissaries

[exotic spoke]

Fuck tyrannical weeks. Fort weeks for pushing high keys now

[mental scarab]

Bolstering spotters in SoB for meme

👍🏻

[warm plinth]

If by meme, you mean PRO STRATS

Then yes

[strong forum]

Pro strat, keep the spotter around until 300+mil hp then force wipe to it cuz you can't reset it 🙃

Or die trying 100 times

And deplete the key

That's my siege experience

[exotic spoke]

Pro strat: Fuck Siege

[strong forum]

This

It's my most hated dungeon

By far

By so far

[warm plinth]

We always burn spotter to like 20% if we’re planning on keeping it for a while. But yeah it’s fun when it’s got a ton of bolstering and is still at 70% or some shit. Adds a boss to the dungeon!

On bolstering I meant

[strong forum]

A boss? You mean like 7

[exotic spoke]

Someone’s apparently suggesting that people tank mobs out of LoS of a void emissary and then kill the void by itself

Lol wut?

[strong forum]

Shits stronger than azshara

[warm plinth]

We do that if it’s a tough pack and we have no cooldowns

[strong forum]

During bursting @exotic spoke yes

[warm plinth]

But we’re getting better at planning ahead so we have them available

[strong forum]

Shits beyond lethal if you kill the pack and get smacked by void

Cba that

[exotic spoke]

Nah, I wouldn’t even do it then - you’re missing out on cleave damage

Just don’t mongo it

[strong forum]

Yeah... Don't mongo it

[oblique garnet]

Maximum bolstered freehold crusher hit 6.4m through critblock + sw so yeah its stronger than any raid boss

[strong forum]

Hah

[exotic spoke]

And if you kill the pack you should know that shits about to die - then LoS that shit

[warm plinth]

On fort week the mobs should have more/same HP as void shouldn’t they?

[strong forum]

Not on WM

:)

With so many smallies jsut dying insta

[warm plinth]

Well yeah that’s true haha

But wm also has easy LoS on its voids

[exotic spoke]

The point stands imo. You tank them on top of void to start and then you can pull them out of LoS if necessary

You don’t start by pulling them off

[strong forum]

Cba that on WM witch room

People will get disoriented + blasted by void

[exotic spoke]

You did the void there?

[strong forum]

• bursting

Cba

Yes

[exotic spoke]

Why did you do the void there

[warm plinth]

That’s like the easiest place to do void with trash though lol

[exotic spoke]

Skip that pack

[warm plinth]

Literally just side step and you’re out of LoS

[strong forum]

Na I always do sides, I don't trust my groups to not ninja

[exotic spoke]

Just do the enchanted and move on. Enchanteds easy and more forgiving

I mean - fair but still

[strong forum]

Still +2 so w/e

[exotic spoke]

Yeah you right

[strong forum]

Would love to have the MC'd hunter disengage back into the void during witches

That'd be topkek

[exotic spoke]

Found your problem

/s

[frail imp]

Hello all, new to the server

Is there a place to find stat weights for Pawn for Prot?

[sweet summit]

dont use pawn :)

[frail imp]

why? It makes it easy to quickly determine a piece of gear is decent

but im open to a better way, if you explain 🙂

[sweet summit]

generally ilvl>>>>>>>>>haste>everything else

for optimal dps, you can

[frail imp]

what is soft cap on haste

I just came back to the game

[sweet summit]

no caps at all

[fringe marten]

If you choose the blood of the enemy essence, can you NEVER get the sphere of suppression?

[sweet summit]

you can just buy it afterwards

[fringe marten]

from where?

[sweet summit]

a vendor close to where the weekly pvp chest is

[fringe marten]

Thank you.

[exotic spoke]

@frail imp like Rosjen said - go with the highest Ilvl piece in most situations.

Don’t worry about caps on secondaries - they aren’t attainable at this point.

Ilvl first and then to with the piece that gives more haste as a tie breaker.

More stats > fewer better stats

[astral ice]

question real quick bois, 445 with no bastion, or a 430 with bastion?

[sweet summit]

depends on your other traits and traits available on the 445. my guess would be 445 one

[astral ice]

Itd be iron fortress, and brace for impact

[sweet summit]

those are good traits, do you have other BoM pieces?

[astral ice]

I am rocking the 450 Engi helm no BoM there, my 450 shoulders do have one tho

[sweet summit]

thats ok, just go with the 445 one for now 👌

[astral ice]

cool, thanks bud

[exotic spoke]

You take the 445. You would only potentially drop Ilvl for DC

[coral marsh]

is two bastion of might bad?

[near ivy]

no

[coral marsh]

but isnt the ignore pain wasted on the 2nd one?

[warm plinth]

Yes but you don't use the trait for the Ignore Pain

You use it for the massive mastery during your highest damage period

Also turns Avatar into a pseudo defensive CD due to increased crit block

[coral marsh]

ok thanks

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280627/battlefield-precision#comments or callous?

[warm plinth]

I think I might actually go with Callous there. That does not seem very good to me.

[naive panther]

Does a lot of damage sim it. I know with callous I never keep the boss debuffed

[strong forum]

okay

i just won the game

[warm plinth]

Nah

[strong forum]

breh

[warm plinth]

You just lost the game 😏

[strong forum]

wait for my image

that im boutta post

[warm plinth]

Jesus

[oblique garnet]

I need those so i can do no healer keys 😦

[strong forum]

its the first time

ive done heroic

in 2 months

only court

and i get this

[exotic spoke]

Wtf - Jesus Christ Nome

[undone sun]

👀

[strong forum]

this game is so shit

its unbelievable

its a fucking 83k base absorb

time to push next we-.... nvm

[exotic spoke]

What’s next week?

[sweet summit]

fort/griev/bolst

[exotic spoke]

That’s this week 🙂

[sweet summit]

not yet :P

[warm plinth]

Raging/Explosive/Tyrannical

[exotic spoke]

Eu - omegalul

[sweet summit]

:(

[exotic spoke]

This weeks better than next week imo

By that I mean - fortified / grievous / bolstering > tyrannical / raging / explosive

[warm plinth]

Yeah I agree

[strong forum]

are you mental

[exotic spoke]

Not at all - fuck tyrannical 21 keys

[strong forum]

raging explosive is the 2nd easiest week in the game

[exotic spoke]

those aren’t the issue

It’s purely the ducking boss health / damage

[strong forum]

remove fort and tyr

that ruins so much

[sweet summit]

^

[warm plinth]

Yeah tyrannical is bad, and explosive can be kinda shit on some bosses especially with tyrannical

[strong forum]

na explo is huge

with my trinkets i can get 40k overall healing now

:)))

literally immortal

[sweet summit]

:(

[exotic spoke]

But do you have the title Nome?

[prisma obsidian]

heya, for the peeps that use Ashvane's Coral in raid. whats the rule set u go by? pop charges at >7? and save for higher as u get close to 30% (also using inkpod)

[strong forum]

na i only have "the undying"

[hallow phoenix]

Save for inkpod

[strong forum]

if youre using inkpod id save like 15+ charges for it

saving all seems like a waste

[distant crystal]

inkpod not critting is a waste

[strong forum]

cuz with 10 youre already at 40% crit

[hallow phoenix]

I save to guarantee crit

Would rather inkpod do 900k than 450k

[strong forum]

getting to 50 is way beyond critcap

[distant crystal]

plus you can use avatar when you rip it off and get some giga claps

at the same time

[hallow phoenix]

How long are your fights taking to get that high?

[strong forum]

if i get lucky i can get 10 stacks in 1min

if not more

[hallow phoenix]

I never get beyond like 35

[distant crystal]

are we talking about coral stacks

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[strong forum]

getting only to 35 seems like really little

i pop coral like 5 times

per boss

at 10+ stacks

ofc sometimes i get unlucky

and only get 5 per avatar

[hallow phoenix]

Maybe I'm always unlucky? Running devastator if that would change anything at all

[distant crystal]

well we're talking about 70% of the boss

not 100%

[strong forum]

ya idk