Lost 4 people conveniently at the start of classic to RL issues.....
#protection
exotic spoke
west galleon
🤔
exotic spoke
Yeah - and two people that still raid but don’t do anything else in retail and play classic
You want to know the worst part about those two?
One fucking cleared Naxx with us - HE FUCKING DID EVERYTHING ALREADY AND ISNT GETTING HIGHER THAN WORLD 39th
west galleon
o_o
exotic spoke
Why thefuck would you want to raid classic again when you literally beat it and cleared Naxx 39th in the world.
Is it just me or is that fucking retarded?
warm plinth
I think that you're taking it a little personally 😂
west galleon
ya i don't get classic :P
exotic spoke
Perhaps im frustrated because it’s annoying to see people only at neck level 60
west galleon
oof i have 3 toons at 65 and i don't even farm azerite lol
slim pier
my main is 68 and the toons i play are like 60-62
exotic spoke
Our guardian swapped to brm last week and has 65 already
slim pier
i still do islands weekly
fast karma
My warr is at 66 but I’ve been lazy at doing azerite related things. Most of my alts are 55-60. Ish
exotic spoke
M+ and islands here that’s it
Now that I’m almost 68
You want to know what’s stupid? The quest you get at 70 neck level rewards AP
exotic spoke
slim pier
....
strong forum
how is it
fast karma
Jk
strong forum
that we kill court
with a pug disc
that is 3.3k score
instead of with our main raider
void berry
Yeah it's a pure troll reward.
sand egret
not all good raiders, raid.
west galleon
bc disk is good and he's good at disc
west galleon
strong forum
a good disc, needs to know the fight from start to fight
if you are on a boss for the 1st time as disc
you wont do fuckall
so its just a given that his healing wasnt godlike
but his dps was stable 25-30k
slim pier
What's his dps
fast karma
What was his HPS?
strong forum
like 60-70k
sand egret
I like how I'm getting updates about your court kill in 2 different discords haha
fast karma
Well isn’t 60-70k decent? What’s godlike on court?
exotic spoke
Druid one too Blade?
sand egret
yep
strong forum
he did 58k on court
blue logging, das fine
but its just insane
how much dps he pumped
on some bosses triple of what our old disc did
top 20 logs
cuz he was running full dps trinkets and essences
exotic spoke
@sand egret I’m there too!
sand egret
lol
vestal edge
in kr in keys like 10-13 especially when it was fortified i was legit just getting trashed by the berserkers bleed stack any way to counterract that?
sand egret
don't take stacks 🙂
exotic spoke
Blow cooldowns, don’t get hit by them (Ie don’t be closest), dwarf
vestal edge
oh is that what it is it puts the heavy dot on the closest one
sand egret
BoP it off (if paladin)
yeah the bleed is a cast he'll do when a target is within range
vestal edge
yeah i was in a 12 when it was foritifed and even like 2-3 stacks was blowing me up
sand egret
(usually does it after the leap)
you shouldn't take more than 2 imho
share the love with your dps
vestal edge
yeah my dps are always like dude why are u dying just tank through it you should be able to take 5
i was like yeah ok lul
exotic spoke
Fuckkkk that noise
sand egret
lol 5
fast karma
LMAO 5.
sand egret
if you got 5....
fast karma
You’d be dead in 1 tick
sand egret
that dps should take a look in the mirror cuz they are slow as shit
vestal edge
thats waht i was trying to tell them haha
fast karma
^
vestal edge
my one warrior friend was like i took 5 once i was like what on m0 lol
fast karma
Probably on a heroic most likely
vestal edge
not 12 fort
fast karma
Even M0 that shit fucking Hurts
sick sentinel
take one, wait until there are 3 secs left and stormbolt the fucker
sand egret
have you introduced them to the concept of...Math
vestal edge
so just make sure im not the closest when it casts i gotchu
sand egret
now you should DEFINITELY make sure they take the bleeds
as punishment
"Ah, just take one more! I took 5 in a normal once!"
vestal edge
yeah ik right
sand egret
gotta love backseat tanking. Gotta love backseat tanking when they legit don't know how stuff works (and it shows)
vestal edge
i like my one friend he always trys to skip a pack on the bridge. fucks up the invis pulls the next pack and then gets knocked back by the archer into the third pack lol
exotic spoke
It’s like when I took 25 stacks from the eels in shrine 19/20
“This is time... nothing wrong “ while I have shield wall and an external running as I’m a dumbass
Kite as stacks get low
Fall over dead from like 80% because CDs dropped
vestal edge
then hell say i flopped the key haha
exotic spoke
That was RIP
fast karma
I hate that pack right before the two beserkers. Fuckers kill me everytime
vestal edge
honestly i die more to the two beserkers than that big pack lol
fast karma
And I can’t ever get my guild to do skips because they aren’t comfortable doing them and it frustrates me
fast karma
Well this was last week with the tides.
So there wasn’t any interrupts or stuns going out sadly.
vestal edge
cant u just root the tides girl though and then pull the rest back and theyre not buffed?
i wish my group would do that lul
fast karma
Well
I could
But omega.
Cant actually trust my guild to do that
Thats why most of the keys we do usually dont make timer.
exotic spoke
@distant crystal how do you feel about the arms channel
Or is that too far?
distant crystal
feels like punching down
dark lark
quick question: does nullifcation dynamo and shield reflect reduce bursting damage?
dark lark
and/or
distant crystal
null absorbs it and spell reflect reduces it while it's up
sand egret
bursting is shadow damage
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure on the berserker bleed, he puts it on the highest aggro target if that target is in range of the cast. So like if the tank and a melee are both within range of the ability, he'll put it on the tank, even if the melee is a little closer to him. Because there have been plenty of times where the tank has gotten the bleed despite me being literally in the mob's face due to the tank being right there as well.
Er
Where the tank has gotten the bleed I meant
sand egret
yes that is correct
it goes thru a few checks
as it won't cast if no one is in range, then it picks someone, but will prioritize it's main target
warm plinth
Right. So if you want a pet or a melee to take the bleed, you have to be away from the mob or he'll still put it on you (assuming you have aggro)
sand egret
it'll also target pets, which is a pretty good indicator of the type of behavior it exhibits
warm plinth
Yeah, and no one gives a fuck about the pets besides their owner, so let em have it!
exotic spoke
New hunter tank meta
sand egret
they can mend that shit
warm plinth
Yeah or all else fails, revive it
exotic spoke
But then you run into the classic issue
“Hunter loot”
distant crystal
lol
exotic spoke
Should I do it - post it in fury?
distant crystal
exotic spoke
no response - not sure if they are mad or in denial
grand drum
siphoning
junior ivy
hi
undone sun
hi
junior ivy
how are you guys
warm plinth
@exotic spoke Is the 40 spellpower enchant from TBC still a thing? 😂
warm plinth
Or you could go real OG and put Crusader on it
exotic spoke
think that has a ilvl cap
warm plinth
Didn't know there were enchants that had ilevel caps. I know some have minimum ilevel but didn't know it went the other way. Learn something new everyday
shadow tapir
Pushing M+ with Bursting this week, between the 3 possible minors of Null, Aegis and Lucid, does anyone have an opinion on which 2? Assuming Vision is the major.
tough verge
Out of the options you gave, probably lucid and Null. Although personally I run my minors as lucid and conflict
shadow tapir
I have to get conflict ranked up, that's a big one. 😦
tough verge
If you feel comfortable with your tanking, take crucible when possible for extra damage.
waxen cradle
What is considered best stack usage for Razor Coral for us, or in other words when should we let is stack to as prot ?
tough verge
If you're using ink pod, right before ink pod goes off. If no ink pod then probably near the end of the fight paired with demo and avatar. Could use it earlier for extra parry if the extra crit triggers extra parry but if you feel you need that defensive bonus you might as well use a defensive trinket
analog swift
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet Am I doing this right?
ionic fern
Gotta post it in fury to tilt.
exotic spoke
Waat and I have been doing it
warm plinth
He already did; there was a distinct lack of response
distant crystal
👌
ionic fern
The only Geti i have is like 385.
oblique garnet
😃
exotic spoke
hi Late!
ionic fern
Also wtf Riki..1:11 AM? o.o
exotic spoke
Yeah its 1:35 right now
I have to get up in 7 hours. I'll be fine
Trolling is worth a sacrifice
chip
rigid sigil
brittle owl
your pfp gives me anxiety yikes
autumn pendant
Fury was more viable in Uldir than Arms is now
autumn pendant
But we live for sake of memes
exotic spoke
Have you guys heard about.... Leech?
wary rose
Does the Reckless Flurry Azerite Trait still work in Prot Spec?
exotic spoke
Yes, the extra damage to auto attacks work
exotic spoke
And still up
gotta get up in 5 hours and wide awake >.>
Someone has to troll the other strength 2 hander channels. Cut of Death with siphoning isn't going to troll them itsself
autumn pendant
Your trolling was weak 👀
exotic spoke
Totally not out of context regarding trolling:
onyx vessel
I was pumpin 22k on 1st boss
exotic spoke
The other tank was 3/8 M
exotic spoke
looked up his parses in mythic
onyx vessel
exotic spoke
no
onyx vessel
I suggested my monk tank to use more offensive essences
stark ruin
You mean 8th percentilr etc.
exotic spoke
I cant see his parses cause shortly after we found out he was mythic he turned his shit to private
onyx vessel
Yeah
exotic spoke
However
onyx vessel
Hot trash
onyx vessel
Parsing more important then surviving
exotic spoke
ashvane 8.2
onyx vessel
Yikes
stark ruin
That's horrible
exotic spoke
he got kicked on orogoza after he fucked up three different pulsl
not taunting (getting me killed)
not having enough threat after I opened (he taunted when I had 1 stack) and I ripped aggro (getting me killed)
and when he killed 75% of the raid when he interrupted super early
exotic spoke
You gotta pump those numbers up madjay
onyx vessel
I got stunned 3 times
exotic spoke
Rip
onyx vessel
I mean sad part i outdpsed 3 ppl
stark ruin
This is mine from yesterday
onyx vessel
As prot
oblique garnet
Cute 😃
stark ruin
My guild wasn't too good in the past year, but now we're falling apart badly
onyx vessel
Late i can do over 20k st
onyx vessel
Proud of me bb
exotic spoke
John, shad, and I were trying for titanforges
onyx vessel
Riki huge dick deeps
onyx vessel
Hate to see it when the other tank parses 17
Use null ffs
Free 20 increase to parse pretty much
oblique garnet
I got beaten by monk tank on zagul 😪
exotic spoke
😦
onyx vessel
F
oblique garnet
Monk did 45k i did 42k 😦
onyx vessel
I dont im stuck dps
exotic spoke
So if they dont do well enough, they aren't tanking consistently. I went through a tier with ripping aggro off of my co tank.
I'm not going through that again
onyx vessel
Cuz im normally #1
oblique garnet
If the tanks are doing their rotation correctly they wont lose aggro assuming both are equally geared
onyx vessel
Like on zaqul i was dpsing i was 12k or some shit over the other person
exotic spoke
Yes Late. That was the issue i had with ripping aggro in Legion
onyx vessel
Wasnt even in delerium for long
exotic spoke
he wasn't utilizing his rotation properly and I didnt have the authority then to replace him
oblique garnet
Good thing now they made it easier to grind null and pp on alts
exotic spoke
Truth
oblique garnet
All you essentially have to do is do one daily to get one set of oscillators and after that you can just grind endlessly
exotic spoke
Yup
Did a heroic with socials tonight too. One phasing ashvane is fun
Also - I didn't know this was a thing:
brittle owl
if you namechange or serv transfer it happens
exotic spoke
brittle owl
- some other shit
exotic spoke
that was the guy's warcraft logs
brittle owl
that makes me sad
exotic spoke
5 kills total between those
and those were his best performance
Anyway, I should try to get at least 5 hours of sleep
Oh @oblique garnet did you see?
I'm taking Leech to the next level of memery
oblique garnet
Dont
oblique garnet
Riki
oblique garnet
Look at the set
oblique garnet
Yup
strong forum
'riki the dreamer'
sick sentinel
did you change the title after yesterday>?
brittle owl
just play better kappa
mint adder
Double brewmaster is the only combination that doesn’t require a designated add tank
chilly brook
@oblique garnet wait what? They changed the rep grind for Null?
@civic holly not to mention they're MONKS
they don't need any brain power
civic holly
is it just the ox?
brittle owl
the ox enables them to not need an add tank
being monks means that they don't need to play as well as other tanks, either
oblique garnet
@chilly brook Rep grind is still there but thats easy and now you can just make oscillators yourself so if you have played even the beginning you can make those endlessly it takes like a day to get rank 3 null if you are really grinding
oblique garnet
yes
gusty ridge
just my 2cents, just grind it. the minor is fucking huge for almost any content and provides sagnificant dmg without having to do anything for it.
oblique garnet
Null?
Debatable in m+
@brittle owl Yes you can make oscillators as long as you have 1 you can make it into 3 chain ignite rolls and with 1 igniteroll you can make 1 oscillator so essentially endless supply of them provided you have energy cells and spare parts
oblique garnet
This is with no mecharep either so you dont even have to worry about it being gated behind it
oblique garnet
also huge for crafting cards if you are running it
stark ruin
I have a 440 card I think
but this looks very nice and finally killing rares can help getting closer to the oscillators too
since they can drop coils
void berry
Coral is way more painful to use than cyclo tho. You havr to think instead of using it on CD'
chilly brook
I mean how should one use Coral?
It's so ez for BrM I just put it on the target and basically never reactivate
hardy mesa
Is a 435 Shield with socket worth it vs a 440 without one?
sick sentinel
No
oblique garnet
no
chilly brook
So that's not much thinking at all then
void berry
Save every stack for inkpod ?
Or pop it once or twice at 7 stacks depending on the length of the fight ?
strong forum
On orgo I had insane procs of coral, gotten 10-12 stacks for every Avatar
But then people inted and died on intermission 🙃
chilly brook
got a 430 coral with a socket 🙂
sick sentinel
Depends if there are adds
If they are adds, the crit stack will win with avatar
If there arent a set of adds all the fight, saving it is better
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel Yes I did change my title after yesterday. I was inspired 🙂
sick sentinel
❤
exotic spoke
❤
exotic spoke
I got tired of my field marshal title and felt that was a good one to go with after being reminded of it
odd bone
guys what treits should i use for mythics and raids ? there is a treit guide for bises or something ?
still sail
mystic whale
Mythic Ashvane question alert
exotic spoke
Icy veins is a great guide. Just know that some people, myself included, tend stray from it for niche reasons or because we’ve determined that for our situation we don’t need to be fully defensive
mystic whale
what is the tank to do when targeted by arcing azerite, stay on the boss or start running off in the back
mystic whale
so swap on brine and swap on arcing ?
brittle owl
that's what you should do yes
mobile tank should get azerite, less mobile one should get briny
you can zerger rage briny, so if you have a monk cotank, you should take bubbles
exotic spoke
We can get both
We can get almost every briny. I think there is one I can’t get. It’s in the second shield break
During the first shield break I will do both arcing azerite. I taunt as I’m running back in from the first one, take a briny, break it, get arcing azerite, leap out
exotic spoke
I’ve missed one Nome. I don’t know what to say. Maybe our timing is slightly different?
strong forum
Idk our kill time is around 4:20. Pre-nerf it was only 1 briny
exotic spoke
Oh wait
I know what you’re saying
Are you not breaking first briny on second shield?
strong forum
No
Yes
Wait
There's 1 i intentionally don't berserker rage
That's first in 2nd burn
Ye
exotic spoke
Like,you can get the first one, then you miss one, and then you get one during burn you break
Or you can miss two (one intentionally) . The intentional one is early right before burn
warm plinth
You're a burn
strong forum
Cuz my cotank is busy soaking
exotic spoke
Yup - I made the decision to break the one you don’t
We don’t sacrifice anyone
exotic spoke
Maybe I just like to watch the dps suffer?
exotic spoke
I tell everyone who joins - if I see an opportunity to kill you, where it won’t wipe the raid, I am going to kill you
strong forum
I miss playing arms.
exotic spoke
Regardless of boss fight, trash, afk or whatever
strong forum
I should start doing that
exotic spoke
Now, this goes both ways - but it’s a lot harder to kill me in a way that doesn’t cause a wipe
exotic spoke
I did a random normal run last night. Well I guess 1 am is this morning
I liked being third in dps out of 22ish people
Only behind the two dps from our raid team that where there
It was sad - found a “3/8 Mythic” prot paladin who was tanking with me and doing under 9k dps
strong forum
I pugged HC bod once
Both tanks doing 6k dps
Wrong talents
And I was there with my 370 prot-pally doing 10k dps
It amazes me everytime anew how bad the general player is.
warm plinth
Man, my war's haste is out of control so far, and at 421. Wouldn't mind the trend continuing 😮
Already lost some as I've gone up though so probably will drop more
scarlet wedge
I've just started tanking adds on M Orgozoa cause we switched a bit around and atm if we can push ~4 million, and atm im using Benthic Gloves, Wrist and Boots, together with 415 Anchor Trinket and 430 Rezans and for Essences im using Major: Visions Minor: Lucid + Concentraded flame, are there anything i could use to help push him a little bit baster?
These are the trinkets and Essences i have available:
warm plinth
I would sim your trinkets, because I would have a hard time believing that at least 2 of those trinkets wouldn't greatly outperform a 415 anchor
scarlet wedge
im thinking to keep add dmg high too to not be overrun and so that dps can focus boss as much as possible
but good idea with the sim, never think to sim as tank as most people tend to advice against it
void berry
dafuq the 450 :'(
warm plinth
Yeah like idk how the vial wouldn't be better. Use it during Avatar for big deeps
scarlet wedge
felt like it had too long of a CD, only get to use it twice during P1 where we really need it
warm plinth
What % of your damage is anchor doing?
scarlet wedge
5.8%
void berry
To be fair add damage will probably not be an issue.
If you have rogues, demo, fury, anyother good passive cleave class they'll just die.
scarlet wedge
we dont have that much atm cause people are out and im our only warr
we got 1 Outlaw, 1 Ele shaman, 2 Destro locks 1 Fire mage, 1 Spriest, 3 Boomies and 2 BM hunters
strong forum
As add tank I would use crit trinkets to get some more parries going.
void berry
It's more than enough
strong forum
Do your adds die too fast / too slow?
What exactly is the issue in p1x
Cuz timing of adds dying is a huge part of the fight
scarlet wedge
if we can push ~4M dmg 20 sec faster we can skip the adds we usually end up having to take down into P2
brittle owl
anchor is super good damage
strong forum
That doesn't tell me much
void berry
Taking adds down isn't an issue tho
brittle owl
it can realistically be the best choice on sustained cleave
strong forum
You almost always take adds down with you
void berry
You'll just need an immune to soak it.
scarlet wedge
we need the mage for Stomp soak
brittle owl
or pala bubble or hunter turtle
scarlet wedge
pfft
scarlet wedge
we hit P2 at 4 min
strong forum
Cloak of shadows doesn't work either
It has to be a true immunity
I had a typo hejoo
void berry
CoS works for the stomp tho.
brittle owl
🇹 🇷 🇺 🇪
strong forum
But good to know kek
scarlet wedge
oh 😛
brittle owl
immunity makes stuff slightly easier
scarlet wedge
i was wrong when i say we hit P2 at 4 min, we hit it at 4:20 and that is why i'd like to push him 20 sec earlier
to dodge the adds spawning at 4 min
brittle owl
i've heard that
if you move down fast enough(skystep or jumping the gap)
the adds despawn
void berry
I disagree for the stomp, as having the tank soak it means he can just taunt the hulk and move him away, avoiding adds movement for no reason.
And yeah, seen that too. Our BRM was taunting them, doing the jump and no adds arrived downstairs quite often (but not always for some reason)
oblique garnet
you can completely skip having the set of adds if you phase the boss during the dance
scarlet wedge
this week Orgozoa for some reason is moving way slower down the ramp(yey patch bugging encounters) so we want noone to take risk of jumping if possible
yea, that is why i would like to pump out some more dmg to push him faster
steady slate
have they fixed the zaquel bug yet?
scarlet wedge
dont know about that
void berry
What bug is this ?
Progging on it atm, would love to be aware as we didn't see any bugged interactions last night.
steady slate
the first set of delirium isn't sending people down.
shut summit
that worked fine for us last nite
scarlet wedge
nice, 2 bugs
void berry
Yeah, delirium worked for us.
steady slate
it put our raid on a hard stop on tuesday
void berry
And the transfer is in our favor so I got no issues with that being bugged :')
steady slate
so if it's working tonight, we just have to clean up za'qul and queenie
void berry
Just :(
steady slate
once we figured out that all the dps has to go to delirum on the third go around and kill summoners, it got much easier. queen's still a ratfuck for us but we somehow manage to get her down
oblique garnet
@shut summit Thats why it felt like the boss didnt do any damage xd i played with tank trinkets for no reason at all xd
scarlet wedge
i simmed and it wanted me to go Butchers and Merektha's for maximum dmg does that sound right?
void berry
P1 not much, P2 wheb you have 6 + nagas, it adds up.
scarlet wedge
would only use it P1 and then its not that needed i guess
void berry
And I wouldn't channel at that point :)
If you'd only use it P1 you're better off witg a trinket usable P2 too.
Your damage isn't really what's gonna push the boss anyway.
Go with butcher + Jaina, I'd say. Passive damage all day, parry, good shit.
scarlet wedge
sims says to go Phial+Butchers
does that sound right
that is Patchwerk 4 targets tho
so ofc its not 100% correct
void berry
Phial sim is fucked I believe. It considers you're playing it, going full stack on single target to then apply it on a group. Not sure, so woulnd't take it for grabted.
strong forum
However it still does good dmg
void berry
Yeah it's ok, especially 445 with socket.
strong forum
Phial still does 1.2k-1.6k dps in aoe
scarlet wedge
does it still expect me to go and full stack it with 4 boss patchwerk?
void berry
I'd say it does. But unsure. Just try it :)
Do a couple tries with it, then a couple tries with Jaina's, and compare
scarlet wedge
ill try it and if not switch to Rezans + Butcher instead then
and with Jainas aswell yea
scarlet wedge
how big is the Mechagon ring combo if its 415 and 420 ilvl? with proccing dmg while attacking from behind?
or is it just a no go?
void berry
No idea. But that means you'd have to hit the boss to proc it.
strong forum
If you have a good combo, I think it's outsims 455s
void berry
Maybe not worth the hassle.
scarlet wedge
dont i automatically with thunderclap tho?
scarlet wedge
atleast the 420 is the dmg one
void berry
Well. Again I'd say try it :)
One try, analyze logs quickly to see if it works and if it seems worth it, and adapt.
teal echo
theres a 15sec icd
on the rings
i got a 425 dmg one and 415 3 diff spells one, its constantly on cd, its like 2% overall dmg
sweet girder
Pretty sure its fixed somewhere but Ignore pain tracker seems to report an error.
Is it upgraded on wago?
lost bay
i have 455 jes and rezans, are they more valuable than overclock and 430 edicts (with avoidance)
exotic spoke
Yes and I hate you
warm plinth
Yes and I hate you
exotic spoke
stop copying me
warm plinth
stop copying me
strong forum
I'd go rezan + edict tbh
strong forum
Jes is painful to use
exotic spoke
It’s a fucking 455 and still good
Shit doesn’t line up with our CDs as well any more any way
strong forum
It never lined up to begin with
exotic spoke
I know - but that was a reason to not use it previously Nome
Just on cooldown basically if it’s close to avatar save howler (don’t delay avatar)
lost bay
cool cool
warm plinth
That's what I'd do as well, since it's a flat effect
hasty nova
@scarlet wedge https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jJHq9Gfk2awxZhcb/#fight=last&type=damage-done here are my logs for our orgozoa kill
i ran VoP major, Ageis of deep and null barrior minor
exotic spoke
I don’t honestly see a reason to not use it btw
hasty nova
man our roster has been a rollercoster the last month.
strong forum
We have 1, and that one's been gone for 1 month due to work.
hasty nova
people in and out like a fast food line
I use Rezzan's and Urchin
If i don't need the extra tankyness I switch urchin for briney
I have not had great luck with trinkets tho tbh, so that is subject to change depending on TF's
exotic spoke
Why can’t I get any trinkets this tier
strong forum
I'm using block + my phatty urchin in keys
hasty nova
yeah thats a nice combo too imo
strong forum
Haven't run waycrest in 2 months, would like to get a better block
hasty nova
block / urchin
exotic spoke
Block / urchin, block / edicts, block demise, block / vial, block / howler depending on what I’m doing
I won’t use urchin / edicts on necrotic at all
exotic spoke
I do too Gus. But there’s no reason, IMO, to use a healing based defensive trinket on necrotic
strong forum
Urchin still does work
But it's 30% less on average
Still like 2-2.5k for me
Would be more if I did higher keys
exotic spoke
I’d value the stat bonuses higher than urchin personally
exotic spoke
Well eat a dick (respectfully)
hasty nova
Ah, I see. yeah thats a good point.
exotic spoke
I have 430s and 435s for trinkets that’s it
hasty nova
healing reduced and all
strong forum
Ye
hasty nova
yeah me to riki
well i have a 435 rezzans eye and a 445 urchin from ashvane
but i have like 6 kills on ashvane now so
if i didn't have it i would cry
strong forum
I have now phial / razor coral 445, rezan 435, block 430+s, cyka blast 428 and urchin 450+s
exotic spoke
I don’t know the Ilvl of my cyka but I know it does like 30,500 a tick
Think I have a 430 or 435 yellow card
strong forum
I has 440 yellow
exotic spoke
I have a 425 pc device trinket Ilvl. So that’s a 435 Ilvl card yeah?
strong forum
Smth like that ye
strong forum
Not even close
exotic spoke
You’re missing out on the troll opportunities
It’s great. I made friends in archerus and hammer of wrath last night - well this morning
warm plinth
@exotic spoke @strong forum 440 card is a 428 ilevel trinket
I only know because that's what I have
exotic spoke
I hate you too
distant crystal
ye that's what i have on rouge
warm plinth
rouge
distant crystal
too bad it rots in my bags cuz 455 socket coral and 445 inkpod >:D
exotic spoke
Wow ghash - just ignore my question
warm plinth
What question
warm plinth
What antics
exotic spoke
Oohhhhhhh
warm plinth
lul
void berry
Nice damage Waat :kappa:
distant crystal
it was a libelous screenshot
exotic spoke
Purposely made to enrage
distant crystal
my scuffed prot parses are all purple and blue 
exotic spoke
I support
undone sun
Nice
exotic spoke
Sweet
strong forum
Sick
exotic spoke
Dope
sweet summit
Insane
void berry
Thick
void berry
Za'Qul is horrible. For some reason I can't even manage to DPS properly.
I'm at 18k boss DPS somehow (before P4 and with coral inkpod).
modern brook
have u tried pressing avatar and then also pressing thunderclap?
ivory barn
now that they have fixed Worldvein, is it good for prot?
exotic spoke
For what content? How many people in said content?
Hard to make a blanket statement that’s accurate
ivory barn
well mostly M+/Raid?
ivory barn
all in M+ /4 in raid
exotic spoke
I didn’t see anything about world vein being fixed
That said. I don’t think 4 people would be enough to consider it
Too many other things I’d want for m+ and I’d have to sim it for raid dps
sick sentinel
Hey, for m+: whats more important the traits or the itemlevel on azerite gear (435 vs 450) ? 🙂
void berry
Oh Thunderclap deals damage ? 🤔
oblique garnet
🤔
undone sun
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel Ilvl except if it’s your only DC piece
warm plinth
You're my only DC piece @exotic spoke
warm plinth
Red is the color of nitro boosters
Just means he has Nitro and chose to boost Skyhold
junior ivy
Oh right
ivory barn
thata bad thing? 🙂
warm plinth
No sir
sick sentinel
you don't need just regular nitro
warm plinth
I mean I can't read your name on dark theme but it's fine
sick sentinel
you need double nitro
warm plinth
Nah, the Nitro you need for boosting is called Nitro. The lower level is called Nitro Classic
ivory barn
^
warm plinth
Curious to see what they're replacing the games with though 🤔
I never used them so I'm not sad to see them go
ivory barn
i played 1 of em
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
exotic spoke
also, it’s funny ghash cause I live near DC (regarding your “I’m your only DC piece)
warm plinth
I know where you live.
I peek in on you from time to time. 👀
Not really. That's creepy.
exotic spoke
Incredibly so
ivory barn
bout to say LOL
exotic spoke
I’m just saying be mindful of where you say things
warm plinth
lol
warm plinth
That's slander. The only one I've said that to is @outer dew
exotic spoke
Kaege, maybe I have daddy issues and like being lied to
@distant crystal fury is talking about geti
outer dew
Wdym
I am the only one
I'm his e-gf
Be calls me cute shit
Leave his real ome for actual respmsabolities
Tbh
exotic spoke
Kaege was talking about me tofu
undone sun
hmmmm
exotic spoke
Hi thyme
sick sentinel
hi thyme
undone sun
hello
exotic spoke
So... I think I’ll stick to in here
undone sun
phrasing
exotic spoke
Lol - are we still doing phrasing?
undone sun
😄
exotic spoke
We should do phrasing
oblique garnet
Yes unlike #protection #fury is actually moderated
exotic spoke
I shouldn’t have snapped - and once vel said something I calmed down
undone sun
🤣
exotic spoke
Momma Riki didn’t raise no fool.
Hi box
I’ll make a trade
My gettiku for a good trinket
slim pier
Don't have that
sick sentinel
thoughts on crucible major in keys like KR/TD?
exotic spoke
It’s good for single target dps. Maybe on tyrannical - but even then there may be better options to help keep you alive when you need to worry about both dps and survival
stoic pilot
So ideal setup right now would be 3x BoM 2x MS 1x DC for keys yeah?
Or is meticulous not better than stuff like iron fortress
sick sentinel
That's the "bis"
exotic spoke
It’s going to come down to what do you need and what do you value / shield Ilvl imo
I still really like 3 BoM 1 DC 2 IF / BFI
exotic spoke
445 and yeah I know 😛
stoic pilot
Yeah I was wanting to roll for a piece next week think I’ll try for chest then and hopefully snag that ashvane warden cuirass
Then replace my helmet for radiance helmet
exotic spoke
It’s a minor block increase
exotic spoke
I did just save up and buy ashvane A I should try MS out in m+.
Haven’t seen it in high keys
So I don’t have a fair personal experience with it
stoic pilot
It’s like 30% uptime from what I’ve gathered
sick sentinel
More like 40
stoic pilot
With 450 x2 it’s like 1800-1900 haste too
Is it really that high? I’m averaging around 30% in keys
sick sentinel
37-42 is where I land
exotic spoke
Oh it’s really strong. I admit that
sick sentinel
Okay so
exotic spoke
But seeing a larger amount of damage blocked is also very nice
And yes, I’m aware its a few %
sick sentinel
Blocking more damage is good
exotic spoke
Depends on the dungeon blend though
sick sentinel
But I also prefer blocking over not blocking
And I have 1000 haste
With sphere I go to 1350
exotic spoke
True true.
sick sentinel
Clearly not enough
So I need the haste
@exotic spoke toldagor has like no tank damage
exotic spoke
I’m honestly looking at undying, VoP, CnS / aegis (CnS when I get rank 3)
sick sentinel
though
exotic spoke
I mean - everything has tank damage in high keys
exotic spoke
What’s the highest TD you’ve done?
exotic spoke
So I know your frame of reference
Because that first boss hurts. Several trash packs hurt:
Maybe I do bigger pulls or maybe I’m garbage then
sick sentinel
first boss hurts only during rage though
and the couple big pulls you can actually do
like half of them you kite
exotic spoke
I safe guard spriest
sick sentinel
like for example first stage
exotic spoke
I ain’t no bitch thatbkites
Do I look like a VDH?
sick sentinel
you run safeguard?
🤔
also how are you NOT going to kite 9+ stacks from the crocs
exotic spoke
I run safeguard because I run with spriest and he often needs externals for some bosses - across all dungeons not saying just TD
I can. Position myself better to hit more - safeguard brings utility
Regarding croc stacks - thats the joke cause youbhave to
sick sentinel
the only dungeon I ever consider going Safeguard for my shadowpriest
which I also coincidentally run with
is tyrannical KR
exotic spoke
UR?
sick sentinel
but even then the tactic is to disperse first axe
exotic spoke
Wow - surprised you didn’t say UR
sick sentinel
then just brez 2nd
UR for tantrum?
he survives with shield+healthstone
quite easily
exotic spoke
Tantrum + grievous was why I first started using it and haven’t looked back
sick sentinel
well tyrannical grievous Underrot is a yikers anyway
and also the clap radius is really nice
i dont like playing w/o it
especially in underrot
exotic spoke
I don’t see it that way
sick sentinel
i mean disperse first, 2nd is rally, 3rd is tranquility, 4th I think disperse is back up?
exotic spoke
I see it as bringing utility to the group and helping manage / control the damage
sick sentinel
you can combo rally with healthstone
so I dont see the point really
in going safeguard
undone sun
HEaLtH stOne iS crTUch
exotic spoke
And I don’t see a need in getting larger TC radius when you can get the mobs around you and hit them with regular radius
sick sentinel
¯_(ツ)_/¯
also 2 other dps are rogue and havoc
so they naturally need less healing
which makes it possible to focus on the clothie
exotic spoke
One could say that’s a crutch to cover for poor positioning
I wouldn’t though - cause it’s a choice
Is your healer a Druid too?
Cause - uh - this is getting real awkward as otherwise we have the same comp
sick sentinel
yea a druid
exotic spoke
Did we just become best friends
exotic spoke
No, like
sick sentinel
thats quite weird of you
exotic spoke
I don’t mean it that way
F
We tend to look at one group if we have an issue and having someone else with the same comp to bounce ideas off of can be nice
exotic spoke
No I’m not you and tofu
warm plinth
Lmao
exotic spoke
Aight man - was just saying is all. Sorry to even bring it up
warm plinth
See what you did tank, you made him embarrassed. He was trying to make friends
hallow phoenix
Does anyone here actually use overclock red card? I have inkpod and razorcoral and find myself rarely using cyclotronic now
sick sentinel
Do you parse
hallow phoenix
i do
strong forum
Razor + inkpod is bis for parsing
coral marsh
how good is prot atm
sick sentinel
Second best
void berry
Meaning it's good, but BRM is still dumb af.
And they add to put this weapon on the first boss that bumps their DPS by 7% with its proc ><
void berry
Yep. And talking to my MT he's like "I don't see the issue, BRM is perfectly balanced" D':
brittle owl
lolwut
void berry
At least it carries the progress so I won't complain too much.
void berry
"We have less HP so it's compensated. Yes it's strong, but war is just as strong, look at the deeps. "
void berry
"Muuuh no armor"
brittle owl
"muuuh no block"
void berry
Muuuh stagger only giving me 30% secondary stats
void berry
muuuh 7min cd on my defensive
stagger is giving them stats depending on its level. Let me investigate on the exact values :')
brittle owl
stagger also gives them mad aoe
void berry
Tons of mastery
I thought it was giving them haste or smth... Might be my mistake.
But with Training of Nuanzo they gain a shitload of mastery just from being on high stagger.
Ok yeah haste from their lv100 talent.
slim pier
yeah haste for the amount of stagger
void berry
15% haste + 1500 mastery from being in high stagger.
I'd say my 30% in secondaries was not far from the real thing :')
brisk sparrow
i'm trying to gear for single target dmg, is there a way to tell the droptimizer that i am also looking for reckless flurry on relinquished pieces?^^
sick sentinel
relinquished?
brisk sparrow
azerite vendor stuff^^
ionic fern
I don't think you can do that with Droptimizer - best bet is to do Top Gear and add the items there with the traits you want.
brisk sparrow
oh okay thank you guys 🙂
dull violet
Hey guys. So I do M+ primarily. I was just wondering if there is a recommended amount of haste to stop at. This is my current stat distribution (if that helps):
Crit: 535 ------ 13.44% (6.7% parry)
Haste: 1,571 -- 23.10%
Mastery: 933 - 31.44%
Vers: 1,205 --- 14.18% / 7.09%
ionic fern
No, there's no reachable point where you want to stop getting haste - just don't drop ilvl for it.
strong forum
That's alot of vers
ionic fern
In general for m+ you want to focus primarily on getting haste/crit tho.
hollow tangle
hi guys wich weapon enchant do you recommend? im currently running versatile nav but im considering swapping to force multiplier or naga hide
exotic spoke
Quick nah for survivability or force multiplier for dps / some survivability
Quick Navigation not quick nah
hollow tangle
naga hide is not recommended?
exotic spoke
Unless it’s changed since I looked last it is not recommended
hollow tangle
mmh ye only main stat from it
exotic spoke
Sorry it is updated
It’s just force multiplier
No longer quick navigation as the recommended enchant
sick sentinel
@hollow tangle what cursed resource told you to go vers navigation
that's like the second worst enchant
exotic spoke
Kaege. How much haste do you have when we were debating ms / BfI?
slim pier
probably noxxic
sick sentinel
any amount of haste
MS should come out ahead every single time
both in dps and defensively
exotic spoke
I mean fair- I was just wondering cause I didn’t remember what you said you had
More blocka versus more blocked damage
sick sentinel
more block uptime>more block effectiveness