12 sockets is crazy though
#protection
grand drum
sick sentinel
I haven't been a blacksmith in forever, are they still able to socket their hands?
No but you can craft socketed belt and pants
bop I'm assuming
exotic spoke
Sup boys
undone sun
👋
mystic whale
yeah BoP, everything is Bop
you thought you could have fun and/or make bank ? Think again. fun police is on the case
sand egret
and ironically, BoP is also one of the most useful things to give others.
ember arrow
undone sun
No
undone sun
But true
outer dew
Wdym ghash
I wanted to play this mobile game with y'all
But y'all lol mobile games me
I suggested a f2p mobile game and was rejected
undone sun
lol
outer dew
Getting a lot of enjoyment on doing skill/pet set ups
sand egret
honestly shocked Tofu didn't say Dream Daddy.
undone sun
i've been playing AFK Arena, very similar style
outer dew
Afk arena is okay
Ulala more fun to me in the aspect that its 4 man teams
And in not fishing for duplicate pulls to upgrade
And theres a lack of skill management
Ex be
undone sun
👀
outer dew
I have skills set up to kick a boss
Or we just auto lose because he spin 2 wins
Sometimes you just gotta purge shield
Etc
But then again
This game is miserable if you're solo
And everyone else is a monkey who doesnt upgrade
vocal canopy
hi witch trinkets are teh best for m+?
strong forum
on the highest of keys people are running urchin + edict
but gore butcher block is amazing too
wooden vessel
Just a quick question, is the WoWhead guide or Icyveins guide better for Prot Warrior 🙂
Or are they both fine 😄
strong forum
given that the icy veins guide is the official guide of this very discord
id say that one
wooden vessel
Ok thank you ^^!
strong forum
the icy veins guide has 100% defensive play in mind
so it does clash a bit with some opinions, but its a guide
wooden vessel
Right right, I'm new to tanking in general and decided to try and pick up Prot Warrior and Brewmaster monk and i dont really know much other than the general knowledge of what my tanks do when I heal them. It's mostly something I want to try in M+ 🙂
So it's fine by me 😄
grim estuary
ok short and general question : is the crucible of flames minor essence ok as third option or nah ?
west galleon
whats ur major
grim estuary
vision of perfection, lucid dreams ( minor)
west galleon
for raid or keys?
grim estuary
i guess both
west galleon
i think highest raid dmg is cof major not minor and in m+ im not sure how much dmg that would do honestly haven't tried it
grim estuary
sadly its only single target
west galleon
ya that's true
grim estuary
but y i guess for raid dmg its cof and def wise it would be nullification dynamo
west galleon
nullification minor is huge dmg too
grim estuary
is it really that high
?
i mean prot struggles with magic damage anyways mabey it is better on both who knows
west galleon
ya the prot warrs that do raid for parse (they take 3x reckless flurry etc) take CoF major nullification minor
grim estuary
y i heard cof is really good for keys on boss weeks too thats why im not sure 😄
but i guess i just give it a try
outer dew
Probably because packs only really live through one BoM rotation and CoF major procs the minor
mystic whale
why would you not take nullbarrier anyway. I love that thing
(in raids)
swap it up with that versatility the more mobs are around you when doing M+
grizzled flume
Hi guys, does the races matters for MM+ / Raid for a War prot ? I'm not sure if I want to play Zandalari for the dps / Tauren for the survivability / BE for the racial ~ Thanks
ionic fern
Doesn't matter too much so play w/e looks the nicest for you.
lapis vessel
Anyone know which 3 essences are best for raiding? Orgozola mythic progress.
analog swift
@oblique garnet sorry for da ping, how good is sphere minor rank 2? I feel like you're always getting meleed so the extension on the haste is a bit weak
west galleon
@lapis vessel vision major/lucid+aegis
lapis vessel
Im not tanking adds, still worth going aegis?
I feel like I get more hps by going null + anima, vison as major
oblique garnet
@analog swift I mean im a sandbagger and dont have rank 2 in m+ its 90% + uptimeanyways
iirc the haste amount doesnt change in rank
I could be wrong
limpid pawn
hey, for M asvhane, do you guys use cyclotronic on pull?
or do you save it just for both shield breaks?
strong forum
I use it on pull, and have it up just as she is casting hardened carapace in burn phase
pastel vector
is it worth to use 430 ring with haste over 435 ring without haste but with socket?
limpid pawn
what about after that, you just use it on cooldown?
warm plinth
@pastel vector No, use the 435+socket
hallow phoenix
@limpid pawn if your raid is having trouble with the burn phases I would save the 3rd cast for the second burn
pastel vector
@warm plinth socket worth so much? i mean its still like 150 haste less even if there more other stats
warm plinth
More stats > better stats; our secondaries are all fairly close together. If you're only concerned about damage, you can sim it but defensively/overall it will be better to use the higher one with the socket.
pastel vector
i see. thx
outer dew
Only thing I need more of is @warm plinth
warm plinth
❤
outer dew
So when you gonna become a mobile gamer mang
:^)
Thyme already playing with me. Tsktsk
warm plinth
Pass
round vortex
Salty reacts only please.
near ivy
🤷
round vortex
It’s not mine our fury warrior got it lol we were gearing his new toon 😳
near ivy
its not good for fury 🤷
round vortex
It’s not bad either.
near ivy
its pretty bad
round vortex
Anyway I was meming so no stress lol
Was more of a “how fucked is it that final boss trinkets can do that” type of thing lol
warm plinth
Any trinket can do that
outer dew
Tell him to scrap that garbage
warm plinth
If you mean titanforging to 455
sick sentinel
its good for arms afaik
but only 3 people play it and im not one of them
i just realized i was 1 and a half hours late for the trinket conversation xd
patent bone
what essences will y'all be running for skittish next week?
oblique garnet
same as every week
brittle owl
skittish is not an affix
onyx vessel
Free
sick sentinel
Skittish tyran but a void week
oblique garnet
Its enchanted?🤔
west galleon
enisarries are all super ez now anyways
warm plinth
Yeah it’s enchanted. Void is the week after
ionic fern
Which week?
stoic pilot
Tfw you need a light foot potion to pull stuff back
ionic fern
Also @outer dew wtf, i'm a DID. 😂
ionic fern
Meld is good in cordinated groups
Which 99% aren't.
Also he listed horde races meaning that he's already playing the inferior m+ faction.
🤓
ionic fern
Raiding is still a thing?:o
undone sun
👀
exotic spoke
@outer dew how dare you disparage DID
outer dew
Not my fault
exotic spoke
@warm plinth check MPFA
I believe you said the words without someone forcing you - did you not?
outer dew
I just said
exotic spoke
That said - I think im stopping mythic raiding after this expac - for a bit
And may go Horde
outer dew
Just be a mobile gamer like me mang
exotic spoke
Fuck it just burn my pc to the ground I just upgraded too?
exotic spoke
See what I put up with mwahi?
Nah, just dead server and time commitment with real life changes I’m making.
Plus, burn out, taking a short break from pushing m+ while rogue is traveling as shown me I love the extra time
Would be easier if we could actually recruit but blizzard won’t link more servers so mine is going to die
You know - still not a mythic Jaina kill on my server yet
Surprised someone hasn’t gone agter it for the realm first
oblique garnet
🤔
undone sun
not that hard
outer dew
Only thing that's hard is.... being apart from @warm plinth
ionic fern
awwwwwwww
sick sentinel
exotic spoke
Swear to god - go get a room Tofu
exotic spoke
And thanks Mwahi
wraith timber
quick question for you guys
thinking of picking up war for tanking
how difficult is it to pick up if you've had tanking experience? also which essences are practically mandatory (it would be an alt that I haven't played and have 0 essences for and no rep grind done)
warm plinth
If you have a brain and follow the guide, it's not too bad. More punishing than some other tank specs, but it's very fun. I'd say the only essence that's really mandatory is Vision of Perfection. The rest will change situationally.
oblique garnet
Well if you missplay you dont really come back from that
warm plinth
If you don't play properly and let Shield Block drop, you are gonna get fucked up
wraith timber
is this in raids or M+ or both?
sand egret
Anywhere where damage matters
wraith timber
gotcha
sand egret
basically the kit is based around doing one thing very right
that's mitigating damage before you take it. If you take it without it, warriors are pretty SoL
strong forum
Warrior has really no tool to recover after the fact
Everything a warrior does is pro-active, not reactive
That's why it's punishing if you slip up
sand egret
hell, even Victory Rush requires you to kill something before you can use it
strong forum
VR is beyond unreliable, even in explosive weeks where we are immortal gods.
errant nacelle
morning yall
im feeling like a crap tank at level 23 as arms, went prot and im much hardy but now i have threat issues
if i just wanna do 5mans on this alt from 23 to 60 what should i work on?
strong forum
#vanilla-discussion is where those questions are answered
strong forum
This is retail only
sand egret
ohh this is a classic question
errant nacelle
vanishes
strong forum
Nobody will ask about low-level tanking as arms in retail :D
errant nacelle
i vaguely remember leveling a gnome to 70 in tbc as arms way back when, cant recall tanking much at lower levels then
strong forum
I don't remember shit from leveling back in tbc
errant nacelle
heh
mostly i just remember the gnome /train sound from the BGs
had to do it to em
strong forum
Most I remember is getting epic flying and grinding netherwing for 3.5 weeks straight
void berry
Hey bois, what do you think are the best trinkets to use on Za'Qul as 2 tanks ? I thought about using QC one because it's a dumb amount of magic absorb, but other than that... Any ideas ?
Mythic Za'Qul.
And gonna be the soaker, not the MT.
exotic spoke
I think that if you’re a warrior you shouldn’t two tank zaqul
The idea behind two tanking zaqul, as far as I know, requires two monks
strong forum
Erm
You have to 2 tank
Nobody is solo tanking anymore because of tether being random if there isn't 2 tanks
Edict is great for Zaq, basically build as defensive as you can as add tank.
With undying Gift major for example
strong forum
🙃
exotic spoke
Also, I heard three tanking zaqul was a thing now too
void berry
I heard three tanking was being abandoned to get more damage and less noodle touching. But ok, super defensive and go from there. Undying Gift major tho 🤢
strong forum
It's a great essence, 45sec on 40% DR is amazing.
It's more of a safety net, to recover
It's no must have
If you live with VoP / cof then by all means go for it
warm plinth
Visions minor is still good 😄
brittle owl
idk about undying gift in keys doe, it is super strong, but need to play around with it to get max benefit
outside of high KR, you'd get benefit easily there
regardless of tyr or fort
what's the cast time on zul's thing again?
brittle owl
rip
west kayak
I run Visions/Lucid/Aegis for pushing keys.
brittle owl
you could get 2 bolts under that 40% reduction with ace timing
depends how high @west kayak
wintry olive
I’ve experimented a lot with Undying gift in what for me is high keys (18-19)
I enjoy it in Shrine, KR, ML and occasionally WM. Tried it out on FH too.
brittle owl
on that key level it's kinda overkill imo
west kayak
The group I run with is currently in the low 10's, 11-13, so I could go more offense but dont want to stress out the healer. 🙂
brittle owl
it gets real good once it enables you to survive stuff you otherwise wouldnt
and it has that power
you're not stressing anyone by going offensive at that range grev
the difference between you going offensive or turtling at that stage won't enable your healer to dps more
warm plinth
Unless your healer is bad
brittle owl
if you play correctly
west kayak
Aye, that and I am 443ilvl so its probably for piece of mind but I should go more DPS focused.
warm plinth
Pretty sure you can solo +10s at 443 ilevel 😂 Not really, but it should feel like it
west kayak
hehe
brittle owl
as a warrior, nah
but a self heal class
you could do it
would take a long ass time
but it is doable
warm plinth
I was kidding; but you should not be concerned about damage in a +11 for sure
west kayak
What do y'all run for DPS essences then? I also run with a 440 Alchy stone and 440 Barnacle.
brittle owl
vop is a good one for woyer, if you can maximize the value from the proc
if you want something easier to use CoF is also good
barnacle is sketchy in aoe, especially at thst level
since mobs melt
west kayak
I think I simmed and tried CoF/VoP/Null for best dps.
brittle owl
what did you sim tho
warm plinth
CoF is gonna be best for ST hands down
brittle owl
its good on aoe as well, but VoP is better
west kayak
I did just get a 430 Gore Block from a 12 WCM last night.
wintry olive
I run CoF on tyr weeks and I want dps. Otherwise Vision/Aegis/CnS and swap in Null if it’s magic heavy
brittle owl
null is kinda shit mitigation wise
cns is way better for thst
also aegis if its aoe
west kayak
CnS is the PvP one right?
brittle owl
yes
west kayak
bah, I hate pvp...
brittle owl
it's braindead easy to get r2
you literally can't not get it
r3 is also minimal effort
wintry olive
It’s not too bad to get R3 either. Been doing arenas as prot and we just cheese the shit out of everything. Can get to 1600 for the increased drops pretty easily
warm plinth
Yeah r2 is like...get 1k rating or something? Which you can fumble your way through by accident almost
warm plinth
And you don't lose rating until around 1400 so you can literally just bang your head against the wall until it happens
brittle owl
roots from the pvp talent are on a separate dr
wintry olive
Haha, my team has nicknamed me “the annoying fly you can get rid of” in arena cause of the roots
west kayak
Roots from TC due to the Essence?
warm plinth
Does the root from TC even have DR?
Well, in arena you don't need the essence to take that talent
Since it's PvP
brittle owl
you just go pew pew in arena
and people are way to dumb to focus you until a serious rating
west kayak
What "Talents" do y'all take for Arena then? I think I picked mine at random since PvP never interested me but for CnS it may be worth it.
PvP talents that is. 🙂
brittle owl
root talent, the perma demo one, and the taunt increase dmg one
brittle owl
but they're changing depending on comp you're facing
west kayak
Essences too. It will help.
hallow phoenix
Shield Bash and bodyguard are also great talents depending
Bodyguard can completely ruin melee comps
brittle owl
null major could be good to gib caster comps, but it's iffy
wintry olive
Yeah we run in 3v3 with everyone using CoF and Cyclotronic. We make it so that we use 2nd charge CoF-cycloctronic-3rd charge CoF. And enemy is melted
Probably super tilting to play against when we set it up right
hallow phoenix
For other essences I was running C&S minor and vision of perfection
What sort of comps are you guys running? I was thinking of trying to get some friends to do an african turtle cleave comp but I dont really think hunter would be the best ranged for it
brittle owl
cyclo is another really good one
hallow phoenix
maybe a lock or mage instead
west kayak
I think my cyclo Trink is at 425. That and my Alchy stone should be good.
brittle owl
a good thing to do is use socketed gear as well
since for some reason
sockets don't get scaled
hallow phoenix
guess i should item restore a bunch of socketed gear
brittle owl
i just use benthics
ivory barn
assuming the item restore isnt reset today 🤔
west kayak
I got a guildie who pvps and is missing sockets on only two pieces of gear...
Explains that I guess.
hallow phoenix
so then does ilvl really not matter at all in arena?
eg i'd be fine with socketed 385 benthic gear?
brittle owl
ilvl gets scaled, yes
sockets don't, azerite traits don't either afaik
there was a point in 8.0 where you would actually do more damage in pvp with 330 gear rather than 385
cuz scaling was fugged
exotic spoke
Prot pvp is fun
And just catching up, Maelkenar shit hurts in 19/20/21
Which is why I should probably start using it
broken isle
Do I need Nullification Barrier to tank mythic EP or is it a big liability?
exotic spoke
Prot / holy in arenas is decent. You can pump some damage
It’s for dps / parses mostly Ziggy
broken isle
So I can get away with not using it on prog? I kno magic dmg reduction seems pretty good
exotic spoke
Yes you can get away with it.
exotic spoke
It’s worth getting - but you don’t need it
It’s like 2k extra dps if you reliably proc it
strong forum
Nullbarrier is bis
broken isle
I'm thinking more of the minor than major
exotic spoke
He’s not worried about parsing / dps Nome
strong forum
Well it's still best
strong forum
I completely forgot you get it from mechagon questing
I thought he somehow meant not getting VoP cuz that's mechagon aswell
And was asking if he can use null
strong forum
It's not needed no
exotic spoke
Like 10-14 days of that island if you do chests and get average luck
broken isle
Yea I have VoP but null is a lot of island farming
strong forum
Ye like 10min a day effort, and you'll get it in like 2 weeks on r3
strong forum
Assuming he has the rep
brittle owl
reps is easy, you get exalted within a week
brittle owl
it's around 2.5k rep/day
strong forum
If you only do big Q it's 850 a day
strong forum
Breh fuck pet battles
brittle owl
it's around 3.5 k/day
strong forum
Fuck mechagin
brittle owl
same
strong forum
Fuck nazj
strong forum
You can only do the pet battles once. So how is that 3.5k a day
Literally once, ever
And get rep for it
strong forum
No.
brittle owl
i dont play pokemon
broken isle
For me it's still a grind. I'm like a raid-logger who does just enough to stay afloat (10 each week/get 65)
strong forum
I did them and you only get rep once, and then from WQs
Same in nazj
Only once
It's a tedious shit hole of WQ grind
exotic spoke
@broken isle is strongly advise doing 10 minutes in mechagon and doing the WQ / a few chest farming there
strong forum
Worst patch in a long time
strong forum
Yes I know
exotic spoke
I understand you don’t like t but still
strong forum
No, 1 time
brittle owl
to check
strong forum
Flying was revered
brittle owl
oh ya true
strong forum
Hence why I stopped
And had to farm 2 weeks for null r3 cuz I didn't bother
If you don't want null for dmg, don't farm it
Ziggy
That's about it
broken isle
Thx for all yous advice. I'll do a little grinding if it doesnt take too long
brittle owl
its reasonable to stop at revered since youll get exalted just by farming the oscillators
broken isle
Less than a month seems ok
strong forum
Ye if you're not in a hurry, just do the big WQ every day
That's 10min
And youll get there eventually
exotic spoke
You can do 10 minutes a day for the world quest and it’s like 850 rep
brittle owl
even less depending on the quest
strong forum
Sometime more tho
exotic spoke
Do a few chests you see on the ground too
brittle owl
yeah
strong forum
If its 3 rares.... Tough luck
brittle owl
if you get the rares one
strong forum
That shit sucks
brittle owl
yikes
broken isle
I'll do the big wq and fly around for some chesta
brittle owl
sometimes even the chest one if you zone in at a bad time
broken isle
Then I gotta get in one of those spare part grinding grps
exotic spoke
Rare is middle for me. Contribution takes longest imo
brittle owl
contribution is easy since you can just open chests and get the odd rare
people are too busy doing the dailies for it kek
exotic spoke
They go quick. Grab a drink put on a movie or music and go
brittle owl
the spare part req for the essence is like a
1.5 h affair
just do it when the weather machine is up
broken isle
thx again
shadow tapir
High Key Atal’Dazar Honor Guards... any tips for dealing with rending maul besides kill them ASAP and use SW & IP?
exotic spoke
you may have to kite. How high are you talking btw?
If you’re dwarf then you have another advantage/ solution. If you’re not dwarf then ask yourself - “why aren’t I dwarf / dark iron?”
exotic spoke
Boppity bop
exotic spoke
Very nice, I got a 440 last week. Hoping I get a second one just for memes
I even enchanted it with some faster enchant just to trigger people. Oceans brilliance I think
distant crystal
lol
rough egret
do not link it to fury channel please
distant crystal
oh i already did ^_^
i suppose i should link it several times throughout the day so nobody misses it though
brittle owl
good lad
exotic spoke
I will do it with oceans brilliance when I get home
brittle owl
gooder lad
exotic spoke
I just want to watch the world burn
Does that make me a bad person?
I mean I am - but is this why!
lol Waat
sand egret
cant wait for the retaliatory 450 shield pic
shadow tapir
@exotic spoke 13+, I’m on the Horde so dwarf is not an option =\
It’s not ruining the run or anything just trying to control as many variables as I can from the tank position.
exotic spoke
Cycle cooldowns, have pots / hearthstones ready, kite potentially
Your dps needs to burn them after the venommancer. Don’t kill totem until venommancers are dead
Blade, I think that the difference is a 450 cut of death is huge compared to another 450 weapon. Where as a shield is a shield. Nothing too huge about one 450 versus another
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic spoke
Troof
distant crystal
i mean it did cross my mind
exotic spoke
But I’m getting my second and dual wielding them with oceans brilliance / caster enchant
distant crystal
that if i had been prot spec it might have been a 450 mh or shield
exotic spoke
Could - but could not too. Who knows how their rng system works
Could have been spore pods
brittle owl
store pods
frigid heart
is strife r2 still worth
shadow tapir
Thank you Riki.
brittle owl
yes logan
warm plinth
Wonder what amazing loot I'm getting today
west kayak
Here is a PvP question... Can you Spell Reflect CoF? 🙂
west kayak
I may have to test that out tonight to verify.
warm plinth
I would be really surprised if you couldn't.
balmy narwhal
hey guys
do you have any idea on how i can start the quest for rank 4 crucible?
I hit 70
and i am at chamber of hearts
but no kalecgos
i mean he is there but he is not giving me any quest
junior ivy
does anyone know basic CSS?
exotic spoke
Le sigh
distant crystal
damn i'm old enough that i'm a BASIC pro
went to science fair in 6th grade with my sweet Q-BASIC program
void berry
Damn.
outer dew
La sigh
junior ivy
lol i needed css homework help wasnt sure where elseto ask
andanaelle is helping me 😄
css is less scary than i imagined it'd be
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
Anyone able to confirm if main stat gems and ring enchants were stealth nerfed
exotic spoke
I hear opposite
I don’t know who to believe
Up is down... left is right
sick sentinel
I hate you
exotic spoke
Waat - what did you get today?
sick sentinel
I know
distant crystal
now i feel obliged to assemble a fury set 😮
exotic spoke
Lol me too
ionic fern
As long as it's transmoged into a shovel it's fine.
exotic spoke
But then I can’t troll fury warriors by showing them a prot warrior has two
ionic fern
True as well..hard decisions. 😦
exotic spoke
I have to get the second one. I can feel it. It’s in my chest today
exotic spoke
10 stats lower on ring and 20 less main stat from gems allegedly
modern brook
gems def a lie
exotic spoke
Thats better
modern brook
imagine remembering mainstat gems were real
exotic spoke
Prot using them Bull
modern brook
I was making a meme
exotic spoke
No memery allowed
modern brook
😮
exotic spoke
Unless you’re trolling the fury channel
modern brook
::^(
exotic spoke
Right @distant crystal ?
distant crystal
i would never
also i checked, don't have the shovel mog
gonna have to settle for a basic gnarled walking stick staff mog
modern brook
impressive
exotic spoke
Lol
modern brook
IT somehow isnt the grossest part of your character
sick sentinel
LMAO
void berry
"This was an unintended result of a separate change in this content update.
We will hotfix it back to +60 as soon as possible.
Thank you!"
btw
warm plinth
If they want to nerf an item enhancement, nerf gems 😄
warm plinth
Wasn't it only nerfed from 60 to 50 (when it was nerfed)
warm plinth
I don't think the main stat gems were ever nerfed; just the ring enchants
exotic spoke
So 20 secondary / 40 mainstat
I’m just saying what a guildee told me
warm plinth
Your face got pegged
sand egret
that's a tad rood
warm plinth
But ily
warm plinth
I love Blade platonically. I love @outer dew in ways that would make you blush.
exotic spoke
Oof. Our spriest is salty as fuck right now
limpid pawn
for M+ aegis rank 3 minor or conflict and strife rank 3 minor?
like keys 15+
my gut says aegis because its 690 with a chance of doubling
potent anvil
Conflict is better overall. Aegis is weak on bosses, and you need like 6-7 mobs at all times to match conflict's vers buff which usually isn't the case unless you're in a high trash count dungeon and constantly chain pulling to keep up the numbers.
If you're dipping to 35% or less, then you're probably going to kite or pop CDs at which point you'll lose the bonus once you get healed.
limpid pawn
so for M+ it's vision major, lucid + CnS minors?
round vortex
Dat Haaaaste! That's 5 stacks of ITF.
potent anvil
Sure, those work.
warm plinth
@potent anvil When I saw "Gives Terrible Advice" in the SF list, at first I thought it was you, but then I noticed it didn't have Wind in it
I was like man those mods really have it in for that guy 😂
potent anvil
The mods are generous people. Can't speak ill of them or else
exotic spoke
Late has got nothing - I ain’t scared
warm plinth
Idk I'd kinda be interested to see what kind of names they came up with for me
"Fatboi"
"Badwoyer"
warm plinth
Sick
spice ferry
🍆
naive sandal
How's the servant splitter at 440ilvl for prot? Im guessing losing secondary stats on your weapon is a big loss?
warm plinth
Not really @naive sandal Weapon DPS is the most important stat on weapons, so the highest ilevel weapon is gonna be the right call.
naive sandal
Thank you for the answer, I appreciate it
wild atlas
How does one even get a 445 mechagon dungeon chest? The Mechanized Plate Chasse
warm plinth
You can't
spice ferry
you dont
wild atlas
Confused as to why it even shows up on bloodmallet
warm plinth
Good question
spice ferry
doesn't bloodmallet also show wq azerite at 445?
wild atlas
yea
with no ability to filter
at least not the specific azerite items
I'm trying to see what the best 445 azerite token would be to purchase
warm plinth
Could always look at the vendor and see which ones you can get and then look at bloodmallet
wild atlas
yea thats what I'm doing now. It's just still a pain since it's flooded with unobtainable stuff at the top
ty my dudes
fast karma
Is it worth using Dreams End over a 440 M+ weapon with Crit/Haste?
warm plinth
I'm assuming the Dream's End is below 440? Defensively the 440 will be better; offensively you can sim it.
fast karma
Yes
wheat bronze
warm plinth
I guess the game really wants me to play my warrior 445 shield last week, 440 weapon this week lul
warm plinth
Uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss
warm plinth
Would you guys use BoM>CR>OP>Bulwark over BoM>BfI>UF>IV?
Two different pieces; those are the best traits on them
round vortex
I’d use the second. I hate CR lol. And then if it simmed higher damage which it looks like it would, it would cement that choice lol
But I mostly raid. Just spec one for raiding and one for M+ or ST / AOE etc...
distant crystal
OP tho
nom nom
i would probably see which one has better fury or arms traits, whichever i play as offspec
and then use the other one for prot
tbh
warm plinth
Not really worth all that tbh; it's only 415 so I'm gonna replace it in a couple weeks. And I won't be playing any DPS specs
ionic fern
Like a real man.
strong forum
BoM BfI uf IV is bis
Wtf how would you even compare that to anything that has CR
BoM is bis
BFI is bis
UF is bis
IV is bis.
And you want to compare that to some fucking CR and useless piece of shit bulwark?
sick sentinel
👮
warm dawn
Brace for impact or Meticulous Scheming ?
ionic fern
Most likely MS.
strong forum
Ms
strong forum
I don't think kraken has BfI
warm dawn
and do you think that 2 Overwhelming Power is better than 1 Overwhelming Power and 1 Ablative Shielding ?
warm dawn
ok thx, i did the enginner helm. it changes all my azerite ^^
2 BoM / 1 DC / 2 MS / 2 Overwhelming Power / engineer. Should not be sad
strong forum
Insane if you're that lucky
frigid hazel
how good is the Lingering Sporepods trinket? got a 450 ilvl one today
frigid hazel
415 urchin and 415 pocket sized mechagon trinket
sick sentinel
use it for arms pvp 😄
frigid hazel
oh, well... I am used to get crap items
autumn pendant
Its really good for pvp though @frigid hazel
warm dawn
Yes in 450 @strong forum
strong forum
Das huge
pastel vector
is it worth to take more then one Deafening Crash for m+ ? i need choose Deafening Crash or Iron Fortress and i have both of this in other pieces 😦
strong forum
If is better
pastel vector
it stack block chance? or only damage it deal when blocking?
strong forum
It increases both block value and the dmg you deal when blocking
pastel vector
oh cool. also ruinous bolt have any value for prot? outer ring very bad in this shoulders...
sick sentinel
shit
strong forum
hallow phoenix
Using skyscorcher shoulders so it's not too bad
With that being said, what the hell do I do with the radiance helm now? None of the traits stood out for DPS off spec
sweet summit
Radience helm is decent for fury 👀
cinder pasture
Got a Sea-Brawler's Greathelm today..Not the one I wanted but decent enough and I get to keep my 3 BoM
half basin
Anima of Life and Death any good for major?
strong forum
Sea Brawlers is the 2nd best helmet in the game
How is that 'only decent'
Anime is meh
If you pull big with it, it can do some dmg
half basin
which do you think, if i do not have vision of perfect, for my 3 slots?
half basin
m+ usually
strong forum
Which level
sick sentinel
wait you don't have rank 3?
err
vop in general*
You're inting if you don't have vop at all
lol
half basin
3anime, 3crucible, 2lucid, 1 aegis, 1 conflict
half basin
havent even done mechagon lol
sick sentinel
but the question, Conflict major, lucid, crucible minor
half basin
thanks
half basin
yeah gotta learn it. thnaks for info
hallow phoenix
@sweet summit I usually play arms when I deeps 
sweet summit
:(
upper spoke
cinder pasture
@strong forum It's "only decent" cause it's not the best one 😂
void berry
gg
exotic spoke
@distant crystal bad news - I didn’t get a second one. So I guess I should keep my meme trolling to the arms channel
distant crystal
rip
vague lava
Is the bull barrier good for m+? My war is my alt but I only have Vision r3/ iris(m+) r3 / lucid r3 / aegis r3. What would be the best to use? Depending on tyrant / fort weeks
warm plinth
Well, you can't use Iris because it's a DPS essence. Null is fine for some dungeons; there are some I wouldn't use it for, like Freehold for example.
warm plinth
How do you proc it in FH consistently? There's not a lot of trash that casts except the brinescales, which I don't even think you fight this week
distant crystal
ML
warm plinth
Depending on your group, Shrine 😂
distant crystal
get waterblasted much?
warm plinth
Don't say it. I have PTSD
distant crystal
i need a weakaura that /yell's YOU IDIOT when someone kicks wash away
warm plinth
lul
I wouldn't mind one that does it for Effigy Reconstruction when there aren't any thornguards too 🤔
distant crystal
i've actually trained my guildies to not kick etch
warm plinth
Yeah that's another good one lol
distant crystal
was so proud yesterday to see so many of them go through
warm plinth
Hell I'm proud of them for you
vague lava
@warm plinth I was referring to the tank version, I don't remember the name but the m+ essence for major/minor.
exotic spoke
I yell at my group when they kick after I call a reflect.
Especially on things like third boss of shrine where each reflect can be about 450-500k
Anima @vague lava
warm plinth
Oh okay, sorry :p
I did a 12 Temple yesterday on my warrior. Stepped in front of the first boss to reflect Cyclo
Missed my keybind
RIP
exotic spoke
Given what you have I’d say vision major and probably lucid / aegis minors as a general guideline
vague lava
C&S r2 would be better than the other r3 essences ? I don't have it but could do some arenas with my war to get it
exotic spoke
I think CnS is better than Aegis. Personally, though more for high push keys where I need slightly different things, I’m looking at undying gift Major, vision minor, aegis minor (CnS when I get rank 3)
And RIP ghash
vague lava
Anima minor is any good ? Some friends use it to get more hp
warm plinth
No, the minor is trash
distant crystal
if you're undergeared and something in the content might 1shot you without it
but the minor is the worst part
vague lava
Only for m+ purposes
exotic spoke
Anima is garbage as a minor
vague lava
Oks , thx for ur advices guys :)
exotic spoke
Don’t use it as a minor pretty much ever
tropic hollow
does the trait reckless flurry work as prot ?
warm plinth
The auto attack damage proc does, yes
tropic hollow
alright ty
broken isle
Complained about mechagon grind yesterday, only for blizz to make it easier.
warm plinth
Yeah the new crafts are pretty cool. And you can actually turn 1 oscillator into 3 pretty easily if you have lots of spare parts/energy cells (which let's be honest, who doesn't have a lot of spare energy cells)
wary gyro
I have almost 400 energy cells and it's only that low because I started throwing new ones away because they took up too much bag space
warm plinth
I can relate
exotic spoke
Pretty much
hasty nova
I pretty much always use VoP major, Null minor, Aegis minor for keys
granted i'm only 1950 io.
i should probably start using combatlog for high keys to see what i'm actually getting out of null
I feel super "tanky" again with my essences and rotations.
A pug i was in timed an 18 motherload on teeming / fortified and I felt really powerful there.
I had VoP, null, aegis of the deep on for that one
with rezzans eye and bloodthirsty urchin
Shit we even had a feral druid dps in that group XD lol 4 melee for quaking was intense
warm plinth
Nice
hasty nova
basically the point of all that was, I like null over lucid right now for keys, but i'm open to the possibly of being wrong.
cinder storm
I now decided to man up and start pugging for my 17+ key since I was afraid to tank it, no one is applying that has decent gear and all the keys I see are keys under 12. Is it common to wait a long time for keys 17++?
hasty nova
I quite litterly never have rage issues, and the only reason i would consider lucid is the heal.
mr. bubbles, i pug 100% of my keys. sometimes at 18 I will wait 45min and decide to play sc2 or boarderlands 3 or they are billions for an hour or two
then log back into wow, and sit in que again
very hard to get the groups you need/want
I took a feral druid i didn't know to 18 motherload
a FERAL DRUID
a lot of times, i end up just looking at past experiences over pure io, ilvl, and meta
I also find that people who are 7/8M EP are typically better than those who are 1/8M EP
not always true obviously, but as a rule of thumb. if you can do end game mythic mechanics on top boss fights, you can probably do mechanics of keys
especially if i call out stuff ahead of time, which as tank i normally do in my pugs
hasty nova
yeah he was!
cinder storm
Lol
hasty nova
totally changed my perspective on the meta
cinder storm
I've had a few that were really good as well, I though that they were not going to be topping the dps chart but lo and behold they were ahead by 5k sometimes
sand egret
my feral blasts in keys, ya'll trippin
distant crystal
seems like that's what we're all saying :p
they just have a bad rep cause not many people play em
slim pier
most of the time
people in pugs will disregard specs that aren't in the MDI
which is stupid
Unless you're doing a really high key
there's no reason why you shouldn't invite a feral druid
or any spec
sand egret
it's mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy. Pugs will take people with the best stats, you get the best stats by actually doing dungeons, but you can only do said dungeons with said best stats
not to mention, it's also annoying when you get invited and they wanted a boomy =/
distant crystal
yeah the only specs i would avoid is multiple casters on dungeons where kicks matter a lot
esp warlocks 😮
but all of the meme specs are actually fine
enh shaman
surv hunter
feral
all good
sturdy vigil
Hey guys!! In donjons MM+ and in raid PVE MM is a same talents we take ??
strong forum
yes
you can swap out from booming voice to devastator if you want more Single target dps in favour of the rage gain from booming
sturdy vigil
Thx 😄
fast karma
Yeah speaking on ferals idk why people are so stingy about them. My feral Druid claps. He competes with me on AoE on my DH alt especially when he runs Primal Wrath.
strong forum
Feral can pump mad deeps, but you need to play like a god only to compete with a decent outlul
west galleon
it's about biting shit
strong forum
That's the only reason
fast karma
Well outlaw itself is busted as fuck so no surprise. But compare a feral with a class that doesn’t have god cleave with one press of a button.
They are pretty in line with everything else
distant crystal
outlaw is fine now
post-nerf
they're good but not "be worst player in the group and still top deeps" good anymore
strong forum
They are in line, but still need to play way better than on other classes to do the same
Same with arms vs fury.
Arms is in line, fury is just way easier and does slightly more.
autumn pendant
Way easier is bit of overstatment
tough verge
Waaay easier
vale crane
LOL
sick sentinel
Gamer moment
oblique garnet
wth theres literally 0 damage when youre OT on zagul with monk MT
void berry
'cause dodge ?
Good to know, I'm going in right now for our first tries and I'm full defensive, to see how it does.
void berry
Ok, well that's nice.
Not having to heal OT like stupid is a really good bonus.
What trinkets are you going in with ?
fast karma
Isn’t Zaqul where you just ignore pain harder?
And go full rage gen build to maximize IP potential?
tidal scaffold
Has anyone else's luck with the Protection Hidden Artifact Appearance been shitty? I keep going to the cave, in prot spec, nada...
warm plinth
Took me 2 months; just gotta keep trying
tidal scaffold
meh, ty
oblique garnet
I literally ran with Vop + lucid and null because i didnt have a tome
Tbh theres no reason to run tank trinkets imo
exotic spoke
I’m going to just leave this here as a reminder
fast karma
No Carl Anda?
exotic spoke
void berry
Carl ?
sick sentinel
KARL
exotic spoke
Lol
fast karma
ASHVANE CARL.
void berry
Yeah I have this one, but I don't know what Carl is IG 😂
exotic spoke
And you said my jokes were bad Kaege
fast karma
Listen I’m trying to make a dead meme relevant again.
tacit pewter
possibly a dumb question... but reckless flurry doesnt work in prot spec anymore does it?
west galleon
it do
undone sun
it do
tough verge
I have a very dumb answer
wise rivet
which one to go for? wrong stats with socket or better stats with no socket? i could replace a haste socket for the str one in another item as well
tough verge
Personally I'd go socket just cause it gives you overall more stats. But I also think the active effect on the sword is not worth.
wise rivet
thats not a dumb answer as you said you had one but i appreciate your point =)
fast karma
I’ve heard Barb is a good mythic plus weapon Atleast
I’m not speaking from personal experience. Just going off what I’ve seen from MDI.
wise rivet
ty everyone for your opinions
warm plinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/619639481011666965/unknown.png @oblique garnet here's an out of context for you
tacit pewter
i just reforged my traits to get RF and it did not increase my white numbers at all
warm plinth
That's because it doesn't increase white numbers.
It's a proc that happens with every auto attack, not an actual increase to auto attacks
tacit pewter
i appreciate you
buoyant tide
looking for advice on surviving orgo (non-add tank)...should i go triple BoM, VoP major, edict, rezans?
logs for reference: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rdQbTAyxXfv6qNzK/
Guild wants me to play more defensively
tawny maple
@buoyant tide #449510248579858432
undone sun
deeeeaaaddd channel
tough verge
Edict would help. Could also swap weapon enchant to naga hide. Prot gets really high up time on it. Most of the damage on orgo is melee so high block uptime is key. Swapping gems to legit anything other then crit would help too.
undone sun
if you want defensive, go BV. realistically minor changes like enchants and trinkets wont make the different between life or death, that's up to proper play.
warm plinth
@undone sun You're a deeeeaaaddd channel
undone sun
thanks
warm plinth
❤
tough verge
@buoyant tide Your damage taken isn't too high anyway. Your dps just gotta do more. a 7:14 wipe at 17% is a long orgo pull. Dead by 7 should be your aim.
sick sentinel
No guild progging kills it in 7 mins lmao
tough verge
Parse on healing
fast karma
That’s why he said should be their aim. Doesn’t mean they HAVE to go for a 7 min kill. Goal =/= what actually happens.
sick sentinel
By aim he meant just kill it around then
Your aim is just too kill it before 8 mins lol
As he starts hitting enrage
tough verge
This far into the raid tier where your entire raid has had weeks to get 440+ with bis essences and azerite if you're close to 8 minutes even on a first kill, your dps is bad
exotic spoke
Chances are if you’re progressing on it still - yourdps is bad compared to top guilds 😛
sick sentinel
Or bad at doing mechanics so
exotic spoke
And I speak from experience
sick sentinel
Ye
You cant rely on dps doing the best
For instance, first kill for us was 745
Then 730
Then 7
Now probably like 630
tough verge
Maybe we have a different idea on what is considered it acceptable dps this late into a tier
sick sentinel
I think u forget, there still beginning of the tier progging
exotic spoke
@tough verge we make due - that’s literally all my guild can do.
We are a mythic guild - not necessarily a cutting edge guild.
There is a difference
sick sentinel
Theyre*
exotic spoke
It’s not my guild in question here - I’m just speaking from experience as it’s similar
I wouldn’t expect a 7 minute kill at first kill. I don’t think that’s reasonable for my guild as a first kill since we just started on orogoza
west galleon
i mean phasing p1 at sub 4 minutes is pretty required for healing check
was for us at least
exotic spoke
We just started it - so don’t have a huge frame of reference.
I believe that - but to assume every mythic guild has the same caliber of player is mistaken
exotic spoke
If only I could
west galleon
like this for boss damage
is fairly weak for the most part
although some of them were dead for a bit i'm sure
exotic spoke
If I had more options for roster I would be able to push them more
But, I don’t have more options. So getting people to do more is hard when a carrot doesn’t work and a stick will likely mean they leave
west galleon
true, it's kinda rough rn
there's just some dps check bosses kinda early on so it's difficult to push middle mythic with low dps
exotic spoke
Dead server + alliance so yeah