and it's fine
#protection
sick sentinel
I guess I'll sit on a dummy and run heroic with booming
so I learn how to do it again
Get a weak aura
I do
I just forget lul
To remind yourself to press demo shout
Yikes
I dont payattention to my weakaurs
basically
lmao first thing I do
I forgot to push dev on dummy after a minute
So basically, Null Major. Conflict/VoP minor. Booming voice for more avatars
?
I wouldn't go null major
No?
What should I do then
strong forum
Kaege he means for zaq
strong forum
Either null or undying gift I'd say
I think you'd get more out of gift, given tether doesn't have huge uptime
And gift is 45sec CD
sick sentinel
Even though the armor portion (minor) of gift would be kinda useless
I like it a bit more
You basically recover for free
"Press when bad" with a 45 sec cd
strong forum
I don't think anyone picks gift for the minor, ever unless maybe Dh and dk
sick sentinel
so undying gift, VoP, Null?
strong forum
Ye that sounds good
sick sentinel
That's going to interesting
There's basically only one part of the fight I die tho
strong forum
Psychotic split 🙃
oblique garnet
Do you take the split or monk?
sick sentinel
I do
No
it's not split killing me
I die around phase 3 start before we go down to delirium
My main tank says its' him soaking the portals
so he gets increased stacks on accident
If the tank soaks the portals
And you die as a result
He's just playing badly
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
I guess so
The adds don't really hurt me that much
as I save most of my cds then
and I nuke it
sick sentinel
For booming voice
Do you want to revenge over shield on aoe?
over 3+ targets
or does the rage you get does more damage overall because more avatars with rage gen
strong forum
Depends on the situation, do you have enough rage to spend, do you have IP up
In pure dmg output revenge does more on 3 targets than 1 SS
sick sentinel
what about 2 target
and you're forgetting rage gen for more avatars so more overall mastery and thus does that out way the dps loss for you to shield slam over revenge
sick sentinel
you use IP so you don't over cap while doing SS/revenge
so you get both the damage
without capping
and reducing avatar cd
strong forum
Obv
sick sentinel
I'm talking
does it overway the dps loss shield slamming for t he benefit of more avatars
strong forum
Idk what to tell you
In m+ you heavily prefer using revenge over SS in aoe situations
strong forum
Cuz you have enough rage gain
From clapping and getting hit
To perma revenge/TC
And from booming
sick sentinel
I've never experienced that
I was starve for rage
and I don't IP spam that much in keys
I always starve*
strong forum
I'm not saying to use revenge at 30 rage if you know you cant afford to upkeep SB/IP
It's all situational
9/10 revenge is free anyway
Like, you get so much rage with booming voice
Idk how you're starved without inting
strong forum
Wtf
sick sentinel
I have just enough for SB and maybe 1/2 revenges
strong forum
What
sick sentinel
then the rest is IP into sb again
strong forum
I cap IP so often
It's not even funny
Im finally starting to use revenge more in aoe situations like I should, during Avatar you can literally go tc->revenge->tc->revenge
For like 10 seconds if not longer
With the occasional upkeep of SB obv
Cuz I was prioritising rage gain from SS, which made me lose like so much dps in aoe
sick sentinel
the main thing I want to know with booming is
Do I only deva when I have no proc and is IP starved?
err
rage *
strong forum
You deva when you have literally nothing to press
strong forum
Yes.
sick sentinel
st wise
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
kk
strong forum
If you're at 60+ rage
You're safe to press revenge
Even in St
If you just used SB, and have IP up, you're safe to press revenge at 30 rage
sick sentinel
What if you don't care about IP
strong forum
Then you can use it too
Your main focus is
To have enough rage by the time you need to press SB again
sick sentinel
Is there a way to sim frequent add switching in raidbots
sick sentinel
I wanna know how bad dreams is compared to another 430 same ilvl
but my dreams is socketed
strong forum
You mean dreams end
sick sentinel
yes
strong forum
Phew.. Good question
strong forum
I think it was said
sick sentinel
because it's just 1 main target
strong forum
That as soon as you swap targets once, normal weapons are better
But don't quote me on that
sick sentinel
How do I sim dreams end with target switching
I have a dreams end with a socket and a no socket regular weapon
same ilvl
can't get regular weapon to sim higher no matter what
strong forum
Not big
But bigger than no socket 🙃
It's more stats
No matter how you look at it
ionic fern
Have you checked the uptime on the buff of dreams end from html report?
ionic fern
Also,why wouldn't you take dreams end if it's same ilvl + socket + effect?
sick sentinel
Frequent target switching. Doesn't it have reduced stats or some other negative option?
strong forum
There's no downside to dreams end
Besides you not getting max value out of the effect
And maybe sub optimal secondary stats
ionic fern
You have the stats right infront of you..just check the weapons.👀
oblique garnet
Nome do you prio revenge over ss in aoe?
oblique garnet
Your revenge hardly ever costs rage in m+
strong forum
Ye ikno
oblique garnet
So it doesnt really matter if you want to use it to spend rage because you cant
strong forum
Sometimes you can 
strong forum
Idk fam I don't do intricate math, I press my buttons
And given that I did 42.9k overall dps in FH yesterday I think I did pretty decent, could to better but it's a satisfying result
strong forum
Don't have triple bom :(
sick sentinel
Feels bad
whats' more feelss bad
is I don't have a piece to replace my BFI
it's either BFI or Catalyst
for M+
strong forum
BfI is good tho
strong forum
Decent ST
oblique garnet
Its still good in pure numbers
strong forum
Dc, yikers
oblique garnet
Well yeah pretty much nothing beats MS
sick sentinel
Das giant for defensive mang
oblique garnet
No
sick sentinel
who wouldn't want that sexy blood sport and swirling sands or dc
strong forum
soon
sick sentinel
50k not good
outer dew
??? I pug a lot.
But I meme with a tank and maybe yeet a friend dos now and then
Comes down to what you know what you can survive too
Did retard shit with no lust
And priest sitting at 65k in FH
All them pulls were scuffed since no lust for mega packs
outer dew
Lmao
The brew I meme with
"I don't like it went you tell me you have nothing"
Lmao
Not my fault we didn't have lust for that pull
:^)
outer dew
Wtf
My roommate is shouting at 2 am
Tf
I know I'm awake slaving at the pot
But I got another one sleeping
Sometimes I question people's sense of decent
Decency
Smh
strong forum
Ye, same as my when my neighbours keep shouting at 3am for no reason.
I just wanna play my drums in peace...
sick sentinel
LMAO
strange arch
hey peeps you got any recoms for cd management and uptime of defs
kinda get alot of dmg input
outer dew
??
sick sentinel
Shieldblock shieldblock shieldblock last stand shieldblock shieldblock shieldblock shieldwall shield block shieldblock
outer dew
3x sb -> LS -> 3x sb
Sw to cover a gap or to use for high damage intske
SR when magic wants to tentacle fuck you
sick sentinel
press IP to compliment your block not instead it
outer dew
Use IP when you a bitch
And didn't press revenge
:^)
@sick sentinel so when we matching, daddy
😉
lethal lark
I need help
strong forum
With what
sick sentinel
With getting a girlfriend 😢
strong forum
unluck
near ivy
One egirl is enough
warm plinth
A-fucking-men
sick sentinel
You need atleast 5
wintry olive
How many e-girls do you have Kaege ?
undone sun
👀
wintry olive
That’s odd, I thought an elitist would go for quality over quantity. 🤔 I guess I’ve misunderstood the concept !
wintry olive
Haha, and here I was thinking he was a 1 egirl kind of man
sick sentinel
@wintry olive depends
quality over quantity is what I would recommend
1 is optimal but up to 3 is pretty acceptable when you're in a transition period
as in, choosing the right one
maybe 4.
warm plinth
Is this a real conversation right now? Lol
exotic spoke
Yes and I’m not hungover enough for it
sick sentinel
no
exotic spoke
Quantity has a quality of its own
sick sentinel
ghash when was the last time I've been serious
warm plinth
How much of that liquor did you drink last night Riki?
sick sentinel
for non-prot stuff
wintry olive
Haha, lol riki
warm plinth
Idk you're getting pretty 
chip lately for prot stuff
But I guess someone has to take his place while he's immersed in classic
exotic spoke
Four of us started with opening up a bottle of wine from 04, finished that, had a little whiskey, and maybe half of the beers, oh and a second bottle of wine
sick sentinel
Quantity has a quality of its own
that's not necessarily wrong
exotic spoke
Went to sleep around 230 - they crashed in the assortment of beds / futons
Then I got up at 630 to go to work for some reason
warm plinth
Riki is never wrong. Haven't you heard? He's a big kid woyer now because he did Hertz Locker
exotic spoke
^^
It’s why I wasn’t sure if I was still drunk when I first woke up
Thankfully, I wasn’t
And there’s liquor / beer for next time so that’s good too ghash
warm plinth
You can have my Coors Light if you want
exotic spoke
I will throw that shit straight out
warm plinth
😂
exotic spoke
God damnit - why does my group want to meet today to work on our project
People - learn from my choices and know that Karma is a bitch
warm plinth
Yeah that's what you get for shit-talking free beer
warm plinth
Yep
exotic spoke
There’s at least 12 beers still in the fridge at home.
warm plinth
Are you a craft beer fella Riki?
outer dew
Then again. I don't mind drinking coronas
exotic spoke
Sometimes. About the largest chain beer I’ll drink is Yuengling
But I guess I’ll drink others after I’m already drunk
Cheaper to keep the buzz going when you can’t taste the difference
warm plinth
Get you that Natural Light. $6.50 for a 12-pack 😂
exotic spoke
Natty Boh around here is the typical go to
wintry olive
You from Illinois Riki ? Feel like yuengling was the beer of choice back at UIUC
exotic spoke
Maryland. Yuengling is a PA beer but it’s huge on the east coast
exotic spoke
I do more liquor / wine now usually but for parties it’s easier to get beer
Picked up a Japanese whiskey and tried that yesterday
That shit is good
outer dew
6 am and i no sleep, I'm not thyme
exotic spoke
@outer dew I’m here and running a report. Above and beyond that they can bite me
undone sun
hmmm
outer dew
Need my beauty sleep to look fresh for you 😗
warm plinth
Night bae
exotic spoke
Tofu - number one e girl obv
exotic spoke
That’s a deal!!
warm plinth
I get them for free
exotic spoke
Sure you do
No gonna lie - best part about waking up this morning is that my friends cleaned up last night while drunk
undone sun
only $200
near ivy
Quality > quantity I guess
sick sentinel
tofu is way out of my league
exotic spoke
Tofu is in a league of their own
near ivy
Checks out
exotic spoke
Thanks friend
karmic plinth
hi, everyone. im playing protection as the linked tank on za'qul heroic and i'm struggling a bit with the damage - i'm running undying gift as my major and nullification barrier / memory of lucid dreams as my minors and have been swapping to indom to deal with the magic damage - is there anything else i should be doing to smooth this out?
random urchin
What is your MT?
sick sentinel
Don't use indom
brittle owl
what's the other tank?
random urchin
Warr does better as MT on that fight
karmic plinth
MT either another prot or guardian
warm plinth
I don't know much about the fight but Indom is not the right play. Even if you're only using Last Stand for the heal, it's still going to do more for you against magic damage than having more HP
brittle owl
warrior is probably the worst add tank
random urchin
Oof yeah. Double prot warr is rough for that fight
warm plinth
Only time you should use Indom is if you're getting 1-shot while playing properly and that 10% HP makes the difference.
karmic plinth
i can link some logs if theres something im missing
warm plinth
Which is basically never
karmic plinth
will swap back to last stand as a start there
karmic plinth
brittle owl
but really
sick sentinel
I wouldn't even do that tbh
brittle owl
should not add tank at all if you have literally any other tank class available
sick sentinel
Never surrender 
undone sun
never surrender 😡
sick sentinel
Yikes
warm plinth
I'd swap to 3x Bloodsport before I'd run NS. Problem with NS is that it's not good for preventative measures really, especially in that situation where you're spikey
Because its "optimal" effect is using IP when you're low on HP, which is kind of counterproductive to that situation
And the fact that it blows dick in general.
sick sentinel
Having an IP bigger than your health doesn't do anything
undone sun
it's not even great for it's optimal scenario, which is constantly being low without being topped off
sick sentinel
You'll die before it's depleted
sick sentinel
@brittle owl look if the mt is standing in shit
brittle owl
ye doing that now
karmic plinth
ive been a bit shit on the tether as well
brittle owl
mt is taking crazy dmg
warm plinth
I don't even think it's possible to get an IP bigger than your HP anyway is it?
sick sentinel
@warm plinth bigger than your current hp
warm plinth
Oh, right. That makes sense XD
sick sentinel
If IP was still 90% then NS would make lots of sense in more situations
warm plinth
Yeah I agree
Still largely not used, but at least more useful in the couple of situations where it might be worth taking
karmic plinth
for now. not much else i can do?
warm plinth
We're just not really optimal for that role. But if your MT is taking a lot of damage, that makes your life worse.
Phew, 1260ms what is this
karmic plinth
thank you for the help either way
brittle owl
@karmic plinth your ip casts vs mind thether damage
you cast ip alot when theres no damage incoming
and you have a full tether phase with 0 IP casts
karmic plinth
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
brittle owl
mt is doing fine for the most part
brittle owl
watch timers, play the encounter
karmic plinth
should save ip for the tether?
brittle owl
no, but you should have it for tether
warm plinth
You don't need to save IP; just make sure you're using it during tether
karmic plinth
got it
brittle owl
you shouldn't be rage starved in general, so you can cast it during high dmg phases
brittle owl
np
grizzled vale
does the block gain from Brace for impact stack if you have more than 1 trait?
warm plinth
Yes
grizzled vale
so would it be better to have Brace for Impact x2 or take one and then bloodsportx1
warm plinth
I'd take the Brace for Impact x2 @grizzled vale
sick sentinel
@grizzled vale 99% of the time, you take the trait that is not bloodsport
Hey, new to the game. I have a question. Is there a build calculator that can inform me what stats I'll have with certain gear, traits, gems etc.?
There is an FaQ in this discord in #268491842637660160
And also some guides and resources
I would suggest the icy veins guide
Yeah checked those already, I am asking for something different.
Something like, creating a simulation character, equipping it with items I choose and it will show me the stats I'll have.
strong forum
sounds highly unnecessary
warm plinth
There's nothing like that that I'm aware of. Not that would be up to date anyway.
sick sentinel
Ok, thanks!
If you have in-depth knowledge with using the raidbots website something like that is possible
But there is very little reason to do it
You should care more about what's the limit of what your character can do now and how to imporve it
Instead of what is the highest potential of your spec
I won't be looking for the highest potential, just wanna see all my options
What I can get with what
If you know what I mean
Your options are extremely limited because of itemization rng
warm plinth
I think droptimizer basically does that doesn't it? I don't exactly know what that's about. It wouldn't show you what stats you'd have or anything but it tells you what's optimal to go after next or some shit
strong forum
so you want to aim for a specific setup, thats beyond unlikely
unless you literally spam m+
24/7
sick sentinel
I'm not aiming for anything, for curiosity
Anyway, I got my answer already. Will check the raidbots and droptimizer, thanks for help
strong forum
for that youd have to get access to tournament realm
sick sentinel
What you can do it you're curious is see how much haste % X amount of haste rating gives you etc
strong forum
there you can equip ever thing in the game
sick sentinel
Using the googledocs spreadsheet
Marked under the "stat analysis" sheet
Also access to the tournament realm
Is actually the best way
Ok, that actually sounds like exactly what I need
strong forum
or just check out wowprogress max ilvl characters
and see what kind of stats they have
warm plinth
That's not realistic for someone who is brand new to the game though, especially since there's no way you could get on the TR right now is there?
strong forum
but only very few people in the world have access to tournament realm, so thats not possible unless youre a literal god
sick sentinel
Again, I am not looking for the max potential of what I can do
warm plinth
The MDT time trials have already started so you'd have to wait for the next one, and then qualify for it
strong forum
yes so just check out high ilvl people i suppose
sick sentinel
Hmm, isn't there like a Public Test Server for such purposes?
strong forum
no
sick sentinel
Damn
strong forum
that only uses your copied characters you already have
warm plinth
The PTR doesn't typically give gear unless it's testing something gear-related. Usually you just copy what you have
strong forum
theres no "cheat" gear
i can show you my stats if you want?
if that helps you in your curiosity
warm plinth
Wow Nome, you guys just met
stoic pilot
For some odd reason I have a feeling Liofa plays monster hunter cause iirc they have a tool that lets you see all that
zealous epoch
BE still tops for PvE?
stoic pilot
For Racials LFD / UD still sim highest for ST. Also probably better to just sim your own char and add in the races manually
BELF / NE / Dwarf for utility
zealous epoch
Thanks!
sick sentinel
Good guess but no ^^ Coming from ESO and what I wanted was something like this https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor
zandalari troll for style
Good guess but no ^^ Coming from ESO and what I wanted was something like this https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor
Anyway, I checked a lot but it just doesn't exist unless I can get into tournament thingy
stoic pilot
Close! The best you could do in comparison would probably be fiddling around with Raidbots or Simulationcraft program itself
sick sentinel
I didn't check the simulationcraft yet, will do that tomorrow
stoic pilot
It’s what Raidbots uses but Raidbots presents it better for new users.
If you’re new to the game though, realistically you don’t get to target most of your drops outside of a few specific pieces. They basically pick your gear based on what titanforges and what doesn’t
sick sentinel
Yeah, learning that the hard way currently lol
Did 5-6 m+ runs and didn't get any items except azerite while all other 4 members had some loot
One of them dropped an essence for off spec lmao
strong forum
ye you get essence from timing 7+ or higher if you didnt time it yet
stoic pilot
At least you’re tanking (at least I’d assume from you posting here) so you can reliably farm pieces relatively quick 
sick sentinel
Yeah, still need to learn mechanics and routes in dungeons, I keep getting lost ^^
stoic pilot
Oh also, do keep in mind that using Raidbots to sim your character for prot does not do anything but show you potential dps
sick sentinel
Especially in that prison dungeon, don't remember the name
strong forum
pretty sure he hasnt touched simming whatsoever
sick sentinel
Nope
stoic pilot
Nah, but he's asking about the tools.
It's better to know this beforehand so he doesn't potentially scrap or sell gear lol.
strong forum
well simming is exclusive to wow, afaik no other game has it automated
get yourself familiar how to use raidbots liofa, and you dont need that website input stuff to do manually
outer dew
@junior ivy @sand egret @sick sentinel praise me
strong forum
everything will be self explanatory
sick sentinel
send food
outer dew
Come over
strong forum
lacks meat
sick sentinel
actually brb coming over
outer dew
Theres plenty of meat
sick sentinel
😍
outer dew
warm plinth
That meat is mine 😉
outer dew
Just traditionally you dump a ton of veg
warm plinth
Not sure, but you lose a lot by taking Heavy Repercussions. And you don't need 100% uptime; just 100% effective uptime.
stuck crown
Raidbots doesn't sim heavy repercussions correctly because it prioritizes revenge over shield block
I guess I lose a lot...
On Orgozoa it might be worth it though with how the fight works
solemn kelp
Wondering whether to swap a 415 Bloodthirsty Urchin with a 430 Chain of Suffering
stuck crown
what fight
Chain of Suffering is situationally much better, but you have to actually use it.
the ilvl (str) increase means you should use CoS if you have no need for more mitigation
chilly brook
@stuck crown you should have enough shield block uptime on orgozoa to not need HR
icy garnet
Just need Block up for taunting orgo with 0 stacks.
stuck crown
My healers are struggling even when I have 2-3 stacks
M orgozoa hits like a truck even with 2-3
stoic pilot
Do you have a rdruid healer?
stuck crown
Yeah, but ironbark is usually being tossed on someone else
I end up with cocoon
I want to try 2123332
on orgo even though everything says not to
inland mesa
I just did normal build lead with last stand as I was lazy and never had problems
stuck crown
same thats what I was spamming last stand
that got me to two stacks if I taunted at the right time
but 2-3 I was still getting hammered
inland mesa
Did you let block drop on a hit? Or are you just undergeares
stuck crown
I'm just block wasn't up at some point
sure*
I could toss undying gift as the major
hallow phoenix
Is 3x sb > LS > 3x sb not enough time to get high stacks?
stuck crown
well I am like Chew
hallow phoenix
With like an external or sw at the start
stuck crown
lazy, lead with LS
inland mesa
I just like the extra health to start if healers are distracted and bigger IP
I tank him first that usually he does the dance and I can get like 5 or so in a row active blocking
stuck crown
but if I do Undying that should get to 4 stacks
chilly brook
Don’t ever EVER lead with LS @stuck crown
Ever
You have enough rage on charge/avatar to have shield block up
If you need the extra HP just weave in a commanding shout
But don’t use LS off the bat
inland mesa
Mine is assigned at a specific part of the fight and commanding isnt up enough
stuck crown
I'd get kicked out of raid if I used commanding at start
inland mesa
To each their own, you only tank orgozoa long enough to get last stand up once at a time
chilly brook
I just don’t see why you’d need to extra hp to begin with tbh
inland mesa
That's when he hits the hardest?
stuck crown
Will it's more about bolster and last stand combined
chilly brook
Yea he hits hard at the start when you have no stacks
I know how the fight works
But block should be more than enough
inland mesa
You sure dont need it when you have 5 or 6 stacks to be filled for an recharge
And if you know his timings they naturally recharge to get you 6 in a row which is usually right at tank swap
chilly brook
It’s not the first boss this xpac that hits hard
echo swan
6
so I've been lurking while I learn prot warrior and my car decided to send ya'll a 6, hope you enjoy
cat*
inland mesa
Hi kitty :)
stoic pilot
I have literally 0 issues going full dps build on Orgo, just triple block + last stand lol
If you actually need an external (I used ironbark on each of my goes) then call for it
But leading with Last Stand then saying you’re getting chunked /shrug
You should have shield wall for every other (iirc)
stiff maple
What's a good build for M+
I'm wanting to improve as a warrior tank and get good at it, I'm only good as a Dk one at the moment
So kind of trying to expand
warm plinth
Not much variety in builds for us.
distant crystal
you can tinker with other ones on the 75 row
stiff maple
Into the Fray, Crackling Thunder,Unstoppable Force, Bolster, Storm Bolt, Booming Voice, Anger Mangement
And Essences?
warm plinth
Looks good to me. There's some choice on the 2nd row and the 5th row. Essences vary. Depends on affixes/dungeon/what you have
stiff maple
I'm running visions of perfection as main
Not sure what the minors should be for M+ tanking
warm plinth
Sometimes Vision is more appropriate as a minor. Just depends like I said. What else do you have available?
stiff maple
Memory of Lucid Dreams, Cruicble of Flame, Anima of Life and Death.
Oh and World Vein residence.
warm plinth
All rank 3?
stiff maple
No, still working on it
sick sentinel
Lucid and flame
If you could do the "win 1bg, 1epic bg and 1 pvpisland" quest that also gives you a good minor, even rank 1
Replace flame with it if you get it
sick sentinel
For zaqul, should I run coral or cyclo for punctured burst phases
IT's either or
coral sims way higher tho, just wanna know if it's better for the 30% damage phase
and echos
I'll be using urchin for the other trinket slot
distant crystal
both 
west kayak
If you need me tomorrow just let me know. GrevAeo#1371
floral sphinx
Who’s main tanking?
floral sphinx
Sorry just toned in lol
sick sentinel
So is cycllo
distant crystal
so if it sims better it should also perform better on puncture
like you rip off coral right as the puncture happens and big crits for the duration
sick sentinel
I mean
I'll try using both but
It wasn't going well yesterday
but I changed somethings
distant crystal
well one will put the other on cd for the duration so
i had an idea of cyclotron critting its face off but that's not an option
unless you can somehow have it rip from a mob dying instead of using it
sick sentinel
I meant me dying
but turns out it wasn't really my fault
just tried it, it only does like 3% of my damage at the end
before we wipe
Cyclo does
limpid pawn
For mythic ash using cyclo and razor coral trinket
One puts other on cd, how are you guys using it
I’m just popping Coral first
And then as soon as possible hitting cyclo
distant crystal
rip coral with avatar and demo shout i guess
and then use cyclotron after ava's down
as close to on-cd as you can
sick sentinel
Could I use nerver surrender for zaqul since I'm taking PURE magic damage
and not a hint of melee?
No point not to
exotic spoke
So your raid leader is an idiot then for not utilizing tanks properly. got it
sick sentinel
No
exotic spoke
I mean if they are having the monk mt it then they are but whatever
sick sentinel
No
He's 8/8m
he knows timings
so he is the one doing the mt
I'm not even dying
it's not a problem anymore
so it's not happening
exotic spoke
I mean whatever
sick sentinel
What we are wiping to is most of the time people not killing echos
and if we do, people just panicing after
inland mesa
We died to so many tentacles
First time we killed 2nd split we actually killed it, think we only got to split once or twice before that
honest frigate
BRM MT/Prot OT is just as viable
With prot OT it’s just spikes of magic damage whereas with Prot MT it’s stable damage but if you compare the logs they take roughly similar DTPS
hard vault
Hows cyclo
sick sentinel
good
hard vault
M+?
stone trail
hey guys, what macros do you use ?
sick sentinel
none
spice ferry
@stone trail if your talking classic, there is a #vanilla-discussion
spice ferry
oh, yeah none
stone trail
🙂 ok
stoic pilot
I think the only macro I have just adds cancelaura to blessing of protection into devastate
stoic pilot
I need to make one of those next time I play, I always just use mouseover intercept but it’s still a bit hard to react in time for some of the spells lol
strong forum
i have mouseover for taunt, pummel, intercept
and then just QoL macro for heroic leap @cursor
undone sun
who
sick sentinel
Who?
oblique garnet
Nothing wrong with using lucid
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
defensive wise?
they do like 23s and stuff and I figured you wouldn't use lucid
Why wouldn't you
Your IP gets depleted fast there
So you don't waste rage
Because you dump IP just to get rid of it
You actually use the ragw
The issue with lucid minor is that you get so much rage that you have to dump
I figured aegis would be better
because of how big they pull
the amount of vers you get
especially with teeming
strong forum
ye thats why i said it
sick sentinel
..
strong forum
also heals for like 15k
sick sentinel
aegis heals you for like 1.1k every mob there is every 4 seconds
sick sentinel
not cns?
strong forum
dont have r3
sick sentinel
is lucid only good if it's rank 3?
sick sentinel
vs aegis and cns?
thorny talon
Rezan's Gleaming Eye vs Vial of Animated Blood?
sick sentinel
Eye
undone sun
for more damage
undone sun
yeah, that's what more damage means
onyx vale
ı saw a warrior using Everchill Anchor from jaina and Vial as trinkets
oh u re not prot
it's prot channel
tidal blaze
i am prot mate
that's why i ask here 🙂
have to tank it tonight
got a 400 trinket from Jaina and the Vial as 440
tidal blaze
i'll be 1 of the soak tanks, so don't have to worry about the adds
onyx vale
null r3 vision 3 crucible r3
soak tank means u will tank the boss as well
adds are more fun and easy btw
if u gonna tank boss and soak
go vial and urchin
sick sentinel
Adds are a lot easier
Phase 1
I think it switches phase 2
Adds are harder phase 2 as you get so many of them and have to keep aggro and get them taunted and stacked
Micromanagement
tidal blaze
i get to tank with a paladin and a monk, so monk is on add duty with his statue
thanks @onyx vale for the tips. Let's see if they help tonight
civic holly
why do you say vial for orgo? just for dmgs?
sick sentinel
That's just what he has
civic holly
ah right
sick sentinel
I think
ebon lark
I should know this but I never really pay attention, do you need to get the last hit on an enemy to trigger victory rush?
junior ivy
hi
sick sentinel
hi cat
undone sun
hi
oblique garnet
Hi
ionic fern
Hi.
exotic spoke
hi cat
jagged bay
hi
spice ferry
hi
vestal edge
Whats essence combo for highest dmg parse possible crucible major vop and null minor?
strong forum
yes
vestal edge
cool
vestal edge
yeah i have rank 3 everything except for like the meme ones lol
strong forum
ye
vestal edge
and the pvp one
pulsar crypt
do you have a good youtube video or even a stream I can watch that shows spells cast>? I am mainly looking for rotation guidance
ionic fern
ilvl->haste->what ever.
mint locust
@ionic fern Mwah ❤
ionic fern
Haste/crit is prefered for m+ from secondaries.
haste/mastery for raids etc.
lunar bramble
Are there any advanced guides or streamers to look out for on m+ tanking? Apparently warriors are better than monks but I'm finding i seem to die alot on my warrior and guess I'm playing it badly
I main vdh and am lookin at tank alts and the monk seems insanely easy
But feels like every e points at warrior
ionic fern
100% uptime on AM and stagger overall makes it easy jeah. 😂
hallow phoenix
Radsrad is an informative streamer i find
lunar bramble
Twitch? @hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
yeah he's on twitch
lunar bramble
Ty
ionic fern
There's not a lot of "guides" for m+ tanking in general but a ton of streamers since warrior is in a good place right now.
Just go to raider.io and check top warriors m+ wise. They usually have twitch linked to it.
lunar bramble
Right OK, like I want to like warrior but I'm just not enjoying it right now
It feels really clunky, and I'm expecting I'm doing something wrong
ionic fern
Probably.
Warrior is smooth gameplay wise and fast phased.
hallow phoenix
1 second GCD will do that to some people
strong forum
Monks are starting out to be better for high key pushing and easier to start out on.
Warrior is very punishing if you fuck up or play badly
You have to know everything about what can / will hurt you and you have to use everything at your disposal properly before you take dmg.
As warrior you cant do shit after the fact
So the complete opposite of vdh/bdk
lunar bramble
What about revenge use, wait for procs or use without? Especially during avatar
ionic fern
Procs mostly.
strong forum
Depends on the situation, how much rage you have, how much you can get before SB runs out.
How many mobs you are attacking
lunar bramble
So thunder clap on cd?
lunar bramble
And shield bash?
strong forum
Unless you're in ST and have Shield Slam
lunar bramble
Sheild slam sorry
strong forum
If you are in ST SS>TC
lunar bramble
Nah I'm mostly having issues pulling bigger packs and staying alive, not that I'm doing BADLY, I just feel like I'm not doing something right
What should I do with ignore pain?
ionic fern
Are you using SB? Are you facing the mobs in the way that non of them are hitting you in the back?
Are you using SR to reflect/reduce magic damage?
lunar bramble
Nah non of that, I timing 15s atm on the monk and DH
I can tank but just seem to struggle with warrior
ionic fern
Hence the questions i asked.
strong forum
IP should me up most of the time and should be used as rage dump
lunar bramble
But should I be using rage on ignore pain all the time?
strong forum
You don't want to cap rage
strong forum
Ye that's not good
lunar bramble
So thunderclap / ignore pain, revenge on proc,
strong forum
You should always aim to generate alot of rage and spend it accordingly
lunar bramble
While keeping sb up
ionic fern
Just to be on the safe side..you are using Bolster+ Booming Voice + Anger Management as talents je?
lunar bramble
Is there an ideal time to use last stand or have it as emergency?
strong forum
Yes, if you don't have SB ready, don't be afraid to use last stand to fill the gaps
strong forum
Ha I knew your name was familiar, we:re on the same server
3rd SB
You can chain 3 shield blocks back to back
lunar bramble
Because of the recharge time
strong forum
Cuz by the time your 2nd charge runs out, a 3rd one will have come up again
lunar bramble
Yeh ok
strong forum
Unless you have literally 3 haste
lunar bramble
What sort of prio should I be looking to open with in trash pulls
I've been doing avatar - charge - tc, demo, sb
strong forum
Well get SB up as soon as possible
Pre-avatar is good yes
So It'd be avatar - charge - SB - TC - Demo - TC/revenge
lunar bramble
Does charge generate enough rage to put up sb?
lunar bramble
Ah
brittle owl
so yes
strong forum
You also get 40 rage from demo, so you can use IP
brittle owl
purely for damage purposes you would want to avatar-clap-demo-clap etc etc
but it's a 1 gcd difference
so not that much
strong forum
You also wanna atleast revenge once early for the bleed application
lunar bramble
Ok
strong forum
if you want to min max dmg a bit more
lunar bramble
Kinda sick of not getting invites because of maining a non meta tank outside of guild groups
brittle owl
idk, rio is enough 'cred' for most groups
lunar bramble
You'd think that
brittle owl
but i get you, warrior gets way more invites
lunar bramble
But I rarely get into 16-17 keys as vdh
lunar bramble
Yeah true that
ionic fern
I haven't found people being picky when it comes to tanks tho since it usually takes forever to find one. 😂
brittle owl
people are still meta flags
and by that i mean they want mdi comp ideally 😂
also i peace on the profanity filter
sick sentinel
just started doing keys this week
edict blocks quacking
helps you keep max stacks
hallow phoenix
Is orgozoa add tanking supposed to be kind of hectic? We did a few attempts last night and quite a few times had a wave spawn before the last wave was killed. Had to scramble to pick up adds that were going after heals/DPS near the spawn points while making sure to keep the near-dead adds clumped
mystic whale
so, any tips on how to maximize the fuck out of your dps output during Mythic Ashvane ?
Also, does anything give out more dps than Vision/NullBarrier/Flame ?
hallow phoenix
CoF as major
wintry olive
In that order ?
I’d think CoF major, null barrier and visions minor would be close to if not the highest you can go
hallow phoenix
Make sure you soak a bubble on first wave
So your null mantle gets popped continuously
mystic whale
hmm thats not a bad idea
hallow phoenix
If you zerker rage the moment brinyb bubble is applied you'll still immune it and should have it up for the next bubble too
wintry olive
Does clapping while in bubble still work ? I never understood why I could do that
hallow phoenix
Ummm, you can tclap while bubbled and should make your cotank take azerite beams. We just got ashvane down tonight and that's really all I noticed. You should have near 100% DPS uptime
Yeah @wintry olive it still works
mystic whale
"If you zerker rage the moment brinyb bubble is applied you'll still immune" -- wait what
wintry olive
Berserk rage immunes the bubble. So you just walk out of it
hallow phoenix
Briny bubble takes about 5 seconds to actually bubble you
Zerker rage lasts 6 seconds
hallow phoenix
You want to zerker asap because if you don't, you stand a good chance of not having it up for the next bubble I noticed
It's an incapacitate
hallow phoenix
Kinda mad, I had a top 6 parse going but then some DPS decided they wanted to die so we wiped. Screwed up a bit on our kill and didn't get as high as I'd like
@mystic whale it's why you should do the bubbles and your other tank the beams
Killed her just last night
Are you using cyclotronic?
hallow phoenix
You can probably get away with using it at the very start of the fight
mystic whale
yeah I pull wiht it
hallow phoenix
And still get it off during the burn phase
A little trick with CoF is to get the third application (cast with 2 existing buff stacks already) to pandemic
So you CoF, then wait until you have almost 2 charges again. Then CoF, wait until 1.5 seconds or so remain on the debuff, and then CoF again
sand egret
🤔
hallow phoenix
The last CoF will hit the hardest and you'll extend it's debuff time by a good 1.5-2 seconds
sand egret
unless they changed it...it doesnt work like that
mystic whale
yeah ill have to practice using CoF, never really used it before
hallow phoenix
CoF pandemics pretty sure
sand egret
nope
hallow phoenix
... I've been lied to
sand egret
it overwrites it
so its a huge loss if you go from the 200% one and slap a normal one on
hallow phoenix
Whelp guess I can stop paying attention to that shit
Im not saying slap a 0% one on
sand egret
doesnt matter regardless
sand egret
as it doesnt pandemic you’re still losing X damage not letting it tick out
let the dot tivk
hallow phoenix
@mystic whale use CoF off cd without overwriting. I suppose you can delay a bit to use SS and TC as long as you're not sitting on 2 charges
mystic whale
so, use once, wait until almost back one charge then keep a charge rolling
sand egret
Yeah, there's probably a niche scenario or two where you'd want to double tap to prep a 200% damage one for a specific moment but if you're talking about maximizing it's use overall, just make sure to a) don't let it cap on charges and b) don't apply it when the major DoT is ticking
hallow phoenix
@mystic whale use unbridled fury if you're not. They should do more DPS than other pots
sand egret
honestly it's just "don't hit it within 6 seconds of itself"
mystic whale
ok perfect, thanks
hallow phoenix
And probably don't use during avatar unless you'd reach 2 stacks
Assuming avatar doesn't buff it
sand egret
it does not
mystic whale
prolly not
hallow phoenix
Are you looking to parse for fun or does your guild have dps issues
hallow phoenix
What are your azerite pieces and traits?
hallow phoenix
Reckless flurry is something to look at if you're not using it and really want more damage
mystic whale
yeah lets say meticulous scheming wasnt my first option
stuck with that for now
aaah but its on the reckless flurry row
definitely gonna try that then
hallow phoenix
MS Sims like 150 below RF for me, I wouldn't bother changing it really
mystic whale
meh
anyway i have enough new things to try with CoF major and one stack of the bubble debuff to get max powered nullbarriers
sick sentinel
Oh I didn't see raid dps
mystic whale
thats what I have already kinda, 3 bom, 1 dc 1ms and... one brace for impact i think
but yeah were talking big deeps
hallow phoenix
I know a warrior with 12 sockets, 3 BoM, 2 MS, 1 DC
And 425 benthic boots bracers gloves
I hate him
mystic whale
haha