I play a melee
#protection
warm plinth
sand egret
it's not 15 seconds
modern brook
Not between waterblast thats for sure
sand egret
between a water blast > wash away > water blast
modern brook
1 melee can get every heal though
stoic pilot
I think heβs meaning with their actual toolkit
outer dew
of things to keep a mob locked down
sand egret
that's not what you said tho =9
stoic pilot
You can do it
warm plinth
If you had a ST stun, maybe. But as a DH I can't because then I'm stunning all of the mobs, not just mine
And the other mobs may or may not be casting something worth interrupting at the time
When I stun
stoic pilot
Fel eruption?
sand egret
that's it
warm plinth
No one uses that though because then Chaos Nova (the aoe stun) costs fury
stoic pilot
Plenty of people use it π
outer dew
like, even pugging shrine
sand egret
i've seen it use a bunch
outer dew
bolts usually would never go off
sand egret
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
outer dew
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
warm plinth
Plenty of people use Siphoning on their weapon too; doesn't make it correct
outer dew
and if it does
it's mainly because the pull lasted too long
or i fucked up the LoS pull
and just got 5 of them to my face
lmao
modern brook
leech is worth30 ilvls ghash 
stoic pilot
I mean having a single target stun over a 33% easier stun and no cost
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, typically with good interrupt rotation you should at least take few enough that you won't die
outer dew
leech is actually worth ~10 ilvl upgrade
stoic pilot
Isnβt comparable to leech meme haha
outer dew
LMAO
modern brook
Tofu is it the fact that u have to play healer
I was leveling my paladin through dungeons
warm plinth
Just because people use something doesn't mean that something is the correct thing to use.
modern brook
and the number of blood DKs that literally arent using marrowrend is fucking numbing
warm plinth
That applies to literally anything, not just the two things mentioned
modern brook
do u know how many warriors i had to whisper "plz use shield block"
modern brook
if i wanted to heal I'dve picked priest :^)
outer dew
without essences
hpal feels miserable
you go between
God -> weak slap -> God
when you have wings or not
i literally watch my tank sometimes
just fall over
because i ran out of CS / Flash of Light
stoic pilot
Yeah my hpal friend gets so happy when he gets lucky vision procs lol
modern brook
my hpal is like lvl 114
outer dew
and i'm praying i get a proc
yea
that's why i'm saying
it's pretty miserable
lmao
modern brook
ive super given up leveling him cause ohly shit are groups retarded
modern brook
yeah thats a look
modern brook
bear more like WHERE is my dps
stoic pilot
3x TC 3x WFR dream
outer dew
i mean
3x TC, 2x WFR, bnecause you need the IF one
aite
this pepe execute
doesn't have the same feeling
i want to portray
sand egret
....
outer dew
but nah
sand egret
you can drop the LM now Tofu
outer dew
really?
sand egret
its 8.2.5 bruh
modern brook
LM?
outer dew
see
sand egret
i'm running a meme build this week
modern brook
oh is this bear talk?
sand egret
and it's glorious
outer dew
when perfection came out
i literally said that to a friend
i'm gonna run mastery azerite trait
big brain
sand egret
btw VoP doesn't proc SI to work like that
outer dew
yea
sand egret
it procs Incarn
sand egret
actually it's awesome
outer dew
nah
sand egret
and the go to essence now
outer dew
i want my big brain mastery
modern brook
VoP incarn on feral is one of the major reasons i leveled my durid
then i found out feral is just assassination with extra steps
and never looked back
outer dew
lmao
outer dew
feral's interesting
outer dew
someone sent me this, and i feel attacked
sand egret
well really you're jsut giving up Shroud
sand egret
and sap
modern brook
OH FUCK TOFU UR RIGHT
outer dew
you have a macro that targets your tank with regrowth
sand egret
random pug too
modern brook
dude fuck it ima faction change my druid to alliance
sand egret
it's actually super a joke on enchanted emissaries
outer dew
you have 2 healers
sand egret
since you can spam perma root while still having 100% dps output
sand egret
err tides
modern brook
u can root enchanted too i think
sand egret
the typhoonage
modern brook
Feraly timing it π€
sand egret
"Who needs alts?"
modern brook
bearly is better i tihnk saying it outloud
outer dew
Yiff Party
modern brook
can it be an emoji?
strong forum
Yiff party... Someone has been around the block
hearty lichen
onyx abyss
ML
sick sentinel
motherlode, shrine and wcm
in wcm there are lots of mobs that do shadow damage on hit
strong forum
ToS is almost negative tank dmg
It's more of a group wide dmg thing that gets scary
sick sentinel
After repeating Feral several times here, I've been summoned
strong forum
Took you long enough β²
sick sentinel
But I cannot stay, I must return to my home planet.
random urchin
quick question for you folks. I've never had to raid tank before even though it's my main spec, always end up going fury for the raid (too many tanks). Looks like tonight I get to try tanking. What essences do you all suggest? Should I just go my normal M+ essences, VOP, Null & Conflict?
stoic pilot
Those are pretty safe picks
If youβre not having issues living crucible Major is nice too for more dmg
random urchin
yeah thats what ive seen others doing
I think I might play it a bit safe and run VoP major for the first bit of raid to see how i do
can always switch it out later
inland mesa
anyone have an arcane jolt timer for mythic azshara for us non bigwigs people D:
inland mesa
is it time to convert? D:
warm plinth
Idk. I was just being a smartass tbh. I don't raid. Ily
waxen cradle
What essences you guys think for Mythic Org progress, I am thinking CoF Major, VoP Minor, and Null minor, but feels like it might not be as good for Org if not the add tank
Meaning Null might not be too useful for ST at least for the tank ON the boss
stoic pilot
I didnβt like null minor on Org cuz it didnβt seem like procced enough for me
I ran cof vop and conflict
I guess you could manually proc it more by standing in dribbling ichor though
dusky kettle
What about vision major?
shadow tapir
Dealing with being the tank outside zealous eruption as prot warrior... tips?
zealous shell
shield wall if it's up, ignore pain, and pray?
maybe take undying gift if you know you're the one eating the eruption every pull
Not sure what else there is to do besides asking for external cooldowns
spell reflect to reduce the damage a bit
zealous shell
Anytime
still sail
Hello, I am a new player as war tank and I have a lot of trouble to build my threat. I follow the rotation Avatar / Demoralizing Shout and Thunder Clap on CD but I still have some mobs who go back on the dps on big pack. How can I optimize my generation of aggro in this case ?
I'm only 400 ilevel but is it enough to explain it ?
spice ferry
that ilvl will make threat harder
if you're playing with people who are 430-445
thats a big difference, getting yourself to 430 atleast will help (and is relatively easy with just spamming keys)
still sail
Dps was more around 415 ilevel and often mages with hard dps on pull. Maybe they need to wait a bit before start. Just the time to finish the first rotation
strong forum
Typically TC + revenge should be enough
If there's individual mobs, focus them more with shield slams
And taunts
Shockwave also helps so you can get some dmg in
Before shit runs away
strong forum
What I also like to do personally is go in with heroic leap, rather than charge
Cuz that's also free aoe dmg
still sail
I do it sometimes and we can use the reset of taunt just in case
still sail
Yes sure, It just reminds me yesterday when I spam taunt out of CD on dirty pull haha. But yes HL is a good alternative to charge
strong forum
Who cares about DR's
Shockwave is my single most missed ability that I lack on other tanks
It's so strong
still sail
It saves lifes π
strong forum
Although the bear shout is also amazing
hallow phoenix
@still sail i wouldn't worry about a fire mage 15 ilvls above you pulling threat if he's opening with combustion
I still have some sketchy threat situations when I'm pulling without avatar and a DPS at high ilvl opens with wings/meta/whatever
You can avatar pre-pull (or mid charge) and tclap revenge tclap demo tclap though. I don't think anything can really pull off that
still sail
Yes that's why I asked for tools to deal with my "high level mage BFF" haha.
Thanks for that I'm gonna work on this rotation
hallow phoenix
The biggest thing is not spending early globals on cooldowns. Delay demo a tad and try to be in avatar before combat. Will help a lot
Could also just tell him to chill π
still sail
Ok because now I have the bad habit to use demo before the first tclap.
Dps recount rules haha. But sometimes I think I just let him deals with his new friends haha
hallow phoenix
Do you have any bastion of might traits
sick sentinel
clearly our lord has failed us
strong forum
lunar bramble
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Execuri
Could someone take a look at my gear and tell me if I should be looking for other pieces or what keys I should be capable of? I'm new to warrior and not really sure my boundaries.. I play DH and monk tanks usually but feel vulnerable on warrior
Thank you in advance
lunar bramble
I have lingering sporepods trinket also
lunar bramble
But that's all otherwise
sick sentinel
what's the alternative to longstrider
lunar bramble
Not sure entirely atm I'm on my way to work
sick sentinel
I actually checked on wowhead
it's bulwark of the masses
not exactly a good trait
but it should be better than longstrider
other than that extremely minor thing, your gear is pretty alright
so the only thing that's killing you is probably bad play
prot warrior requires a lot of practice to not let your AM drop for too long
lunar bramble
Am?
sick sentinel
active mitigation
sick sentinel
shieldblock/last stand(with bolster)/shieldwall etc
keep going at it and try paying attention on your mistakes and you should improve
also I personally prefer going stormbolt because it's more flexible
over rumbling earth
lunar bramble
OK, what's keys should I be looking at realistically? Atm I'm doing 14-15 on monk and DH, but feel likes 11s are a limit
sick sentinel
this week HURTS so I'm not sure
lunar bramble
I also been playing with a similarly geared glimmer pala
sick sentinel
but other weeks you can do 15s on this character as well if played properly
hallow phoenix
This week definitely hurts but it's also fun af
strong forum
sweet summit
Yes
strong forum
granite garden
if they ever do something like this i think it will be for blood dk's
cinder frigate
Hey, I was wondering if there are any races in particular that outshine the other if I am looking to play protection mainly?
light ledge
idk, probably tauren or hmt
strong forum
None outshine, racials are incredibly minor unless you push high m+ keys. Then nightelf or dwarf are the most potent racials.
Bloodelf has some nice uses too, that's about it
autumn pendant
Gnome to confuse your enemies π
light ledge
only with tusks
autumn pendant
And allies alike
maiden ravine
I love my gnome warrior. She rules
sick sentinel
Finally got null
sim almost 34k, if I get inkpod
and coral to 445
35k
poggers
then benthic to 425, 36k
ionic fern
Big.
sick sentinel
Giant
vocal nimbus
Not as giant as account bound essences
hard vault
grizzled junco
fresh wind
the petition would probably reach its goal, its blizzard that's against it
vocal nimbus
I would literally play more with accountbound stuff
Dunno how they can think that ppl will play more by restricting things per char
sand egret
it's going to come in 8.3
that or the essences themselves get neutered/trivialized/phased out. They aren't going to make people farm "Old" content for essence rep, imho. Generally what they do at the end of every expac anyway is remove most of the alt-gates.
prob will make them (or at least most of the rep gated ones) shared and bring in another rep catch-up mechanic or something.
strong forum
And in 9.0 they will get rid of essences again to heal azeroth again
π
And we will get fuck all in return to make up for the loss of essences for next expac
Unless they learned from their mistakes
stoic pilot
Really hope they did tbh
undone sun
8.3 is wishful thinking, i don't expect any more major changes until 9.0
shut summit
π
sand egret
I wouldn't call it wishful thinking at all. They've done steps like this in the last major patch of almost every expac.
If anything, them not doing anything is weird.
sick sentinel
What's the best DPS essences for keys. I have rank 3 VoP major, I have Rank 3 CoF, Rank 3 Null, Rank 2 Aegis/Conflict and rank 1 Lucid
sand egret
either they'll link unlocks on a meta level like they did in 8.1 with the GoA rep and your neck level, or probably the simplest solution...is making the essence tokens themselves BoA.
granite garden
just hope they don't add another system like this next expansion
sand egret
which?
granite garden
essence traits
sand egret
what about it
granite garden
lvling a piece of armour
sand egret
well, if ya look at history, I'd bet there's going to be something in relation to meta-gearing
strong forum
VoP + aegis and cns @sick sentinel or change out cns for cof
sick sentinel
what if it's temple
stoic pilot
I donβt run aegis for temple because not enough mobs (diff on Teeming weeks)
sand egret
π’ weeks
stoic pilot
I usually swap Aegis in temple for Nullification Barrier
Since it procs frequently enough on the 2nd half of the dungeon
strong forum
I guess
Null is good for shrine, waycrest and kr(?)
Am I forgetting a magic heavy dungeon.. I feel like I do
stoic pilot
ML
ionic fern
Wait, people actually swap into Null for m+?
strong forum
Ah ye ML
brittle owl
you can proc it in most dungeons on cd reliably
stoic pilot
Yeah Mwahi it pumps as a minor
strong forum
It doesn't pump
stoic pilot
I donβt have logs for m+ just experience numbers π¦
brittle owl
but it depends on how big you pull vs how important boss dmg/magic mit is
strong forum
But it's a nice to have on those dungeons
ionic fern
Was about to say that i doubt that it "Pumps".
stoic pilot
Okay maybe a bad way to describe it
strong forum
It's a nice to have
stoic pilot
But i liked it
stoic pilot
It was doing relevant dmg and healing from what I remember
brittle owl
otherwise C&S, CoF, Sphere, Aegis are better options
both defensively and offensively(besides CoF)
stoic pilot
Like
stoic pilot
Thatβs a decent chunk for a minor lol
brittle owl
it does really neglijable damage in large packs
brittle owl
secondaries scale way better and will result in more damage in aoe
stoic pilot
Yeah thatβs fair enough
brittle owl
and compared to say
C&S, flat vers
100% uptime
it's weaker defensively than that
brittle owl
c&s major is good on super high keys
stoic pilot
Itβs actually pretty sick
stoic pilot
Does it function outside of stuns?
sand egret
roots i believe
stoic pilot
Or only 2x during stuns
stoic pilot
Not inquiring about the application but the 2x defensive benefit (if thatβs what Mael was referring to in regards to double vers)
stoic pilot
Oh well yeah so you get 10% perma vers
sand egret
"Dispelling, Interrupting or Crowd Controlling a target grants a stack of the Minor power Strife, and doubles the Versatility gained for 5 seconds." for those without a microscope
stoic pilot
Itβs 5% as a minor
hallow phoenix
For single target DPS with razor coral and inkpod should I use potion of focused resolve before inkpod pops? Does it even work with inkpod
brittle owl
it should work yes
but if you have coral
why use a crit pot π
just pop coral at 31%
hallow phoenix
I don't reach 100% even when popping coral :(
brittle owl
more
stoic pilot
I think with that essence setup though I was sitting around 34% vers it felt nice
hallow phoenix
At least I'm pretty sure I don't hit 100%
brittle owl
C&S major is sleeper op for high keys tbh
strong forum
It doesn't root if you have a 30% slow or higher applied to the target
brittle owl
then don't slow
stoic pilot
Just means to let your group know
strong forum
But the root can also kill your teammates as
stoic pilot
And to not run sphere minor
strong forum
As they are rooted they will attack the closest possible target
No matter of threat
stoic pilot
I havenβt had that issue pop up yet
brittle owl
unless kiting
sand egret
not all mobs just auto shift targeting
strong forum
Idk I think it sounds horrendous
Like it's hard enough to group up adds
You lose group dmg if you root em
stoic pilot
Itβs not that bad lol
brittle owl
π
stoic pilot
You donβt have to run it
strong forum
Idk... Sounds sketchy AF
brittle owl
i really don't see the issue with it
brittle owl
granted, its an inbetweeny pick
stoic pilot
But it plays really well
stoic pilot
Yeah
brittle owl
p much
hallow phoenix
@brittle owl I only hit about 60% crit or so when I popped razor coral on behemoth last raid
brittle owl
oof
hallow phoenix
:(
brittle owl
tell your raid to dps worse
hallow phoenix
I will
brittle owl
stack up more inkpod damage and coral stacks
brittle owl
swapblaster works in combat right
stoic pilot
Nope
hallow phoenix
Negatory
stoic pilot
Iβve tried so many times on rezan π
strong forum
That'd be broken
brittle owl
fun detected
strong forum
Like mandatory for raid
hallow phoenix
I'll just bribe the healers
stoic pilot
Imagine stormwall blockade prog with swapblasters lmao
strong forum
Well fuck mobile
brittle owl
you degenerate phuck
strong forum
I wish I was degenerate
brittle owl
unluck
strong forum
But im only sub-human
strong forum
In autism we trust <3
sick sentinel
temple damage
I couldn't pump hard enough
null only did 3.6% of my damage
rips
null's damage is spread amongs all targets it hits @sick sentinel
I didn't read that the first time I got it
?
I didn't notice it when I first got it
oblique garnet
It doesnt do much in aoe
sick sentinel
especially in teeming
pastel vector
can you guys recommend is it worth to take 450 over 420? https://puu.sh/EjoBT/209ff41e8a.png as for me 450 have bad talents?
sick sentinel
if+bfi+haste+longstrider
pastel vector
thx
also is it worth to use Phial of the Arcane Tempest over some def/haste trinket? talk about m+
sick sentinel
phial is garbage
pastel vector
what perfect choise for m+? i'm just study so def trinkets pref π something like Bloodthirsty Urchin ?
or i must go damage trinkets in m+ ?
rose cedar
It all is going to depend if you are having trouble staying alive or not....defensive trinkets if you are. Most warrior tanks run offensive though. Something like Rezan's eye + crit trinket from WCM
Rezan's eye is great because it is great offensively and good defensively.
pastel vector
i see. tyvm
exotic acorn
We'r need one more prot war to push the ML 16th 
jagged bay
have a nice weekend everyone!:)
cinder pasture
You can't tell me what to do. But you too π
sick sentinel
@jagged bay you too β€
toxic tapir
how good is dimond laced for prot?
sick sentinel
good but hard to get at a high ilvl
sick sentinel
what do you have against it
toxic tapir
thats not better than a 430?
sick sentinel
430 what
toxic tapir
bloodurhcin
sick sentinel
with what card
because you can use urchin+diamond
unless you have haste red card
hallow phoenix
My 415 diamond usually outperforms my 430 urchin /shrug
strong forum
depends on dmg taken
diamond does 2.5k/s
always
roughly
but on very high dmg intake, urchin will be far better
exotic spoke
Conceptually - urchin also helps with how warriors mitigate damage. Smoothing it out even further rather than a front loaded absorb.
old zephyr
stuck crown
Has anyone noticed that they don't maintain into the fray stacks on mythic orgozoa?
i'm thinking of switching to Punish
exotic spoke
Havenβt noticed it but only have maybe 10-15 pulls on oro
jagged bay
π
exotic spoke
Also,
exotic spoke
30 Ilvl of strength + being able to say its for only magic damage and having it get bigger makes me doubt that a 400 diamond is out performing 430 edicts
sick sentinel
I dislike edict personally
exotic spoke
I situationally like it - not an every fight thing - but say Motherlode
potent anvil
Just be like this guy and get a huge titanforge diamond trinket
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/ec8a4ecd7e0b90cb5c3d1c1f0b81133d-png.jpg
strong forum
wtf
potent anvil
strong forum
breh
potent anvil
Just do your weekly m opu clears
exotic spoke
Jesus fucking Christ
warm plinth
Riki why are you taking the Lord's name in vain?
exotic spoke
I didnβt say Riki
warm plinth
Oof
strong forum
jesus medullah abdallah mashallah mjΓΆlnir muhammad
warm plinth
This trinket though
sick sentinel
JESUS CHRIST
stuck crown
The way Org is tanked it usually means you don't have many into the fray stacks
unless you are add tank of course
Only time I have 5 stacks is when I'm soaking puddles
strong forum
never paid attention to min maxing ITF
on that boss
or generally
but you can position yourself between adds and boss to get extra cleave on adds and maybe itf stacks?
thats what im doing anyway
strong forum
doesnt change shit
im checking logs currently
most people got parried 5 times TOPS
on melee
attack
thats it
sick sentinel
When the boss parries my dragon roar as fury I wanna murder somebody
strong forum
π€·
stuck crown
Well they are getting parried 5 times because boss is facing away right
sick sentinel
If you hit a boss's face it has a chance to parry
strong forum
if you attack the front of a boss it has like 1% chance or some shit to parry your attack
but only in raids
sick sentinel
1%? That's way too low
strong forum
m+ it doesnt matter
sick sentinel
It's a lot higher
stuck crown
I'm assuming they are getting parried by Adds tbh
sick sentinel
Everyone can parry
strong forum
in m+ nothing parries
sick sentinel
Are you sure?
sick sentinel
I wanna go pull an m0 boss rn as fury and facetank him and see
sick sentinel
I don't get it though
sick sentinel
Out of all random things that they could take out they take this
Which also btw involves skill
Because you do have to face the boss the right way
warm plinth
Yeah looks like he's right according to my logs. You can miss, but not be parried
No dodges either
Well
Except mobs that have a dodge thing
sick sentinel
This is huge wtf
warm plinth
I'm almost angry about it tbh lol
frigid heart
What the fuck
strong forum
π youre welcome
slim pier
what are you guys talking about
strong forum
scroll up
frigid heart
Positioning mobs for nothing this whole time
warm plinth
I mean, I wouldn't say for nothing. There's still a fair number of bosses and trash mobs that have cleave abilities. I wouldn't just stop worrying about it lol.
slim pier
I know
warm plinth
I was replying to
Positioning mobs for nothing this whole time
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Only thing that can parry in m+ is shadow of zul
warm plinth
β€
stuck crown
The Queenβs Court
Fixed an issue with Repeat Performance where Ignore Pain triggered from Warriorsβ Bastion of Might (Azerite Trait) was counted as a cast, causing them to be silenced if they used Ignore Pain after casting Avatar.
tardy surge
Is phial really such a bad trinket? Doesnt it proc as it should or what is wrong with it?
warm plinth
It's not a bad trinket; it's just a pain to use optimally. Basically have to be in ST until it ramps up, then have adds up for the rest of it
tardy surge
Ah i see makes sense
hallow phoenix
If it was on use....
pastel vector
is it worth to use strength gem? on wowhead guide said str worst stat, and on icy veins said i should use it...
neat lagoon
I would say it is always good to use one but I would make sure you are comfortable with the amount of haste you have first
I personally stack haste and crit
with my quick nav and rezans I think fully procced I was at like 70% haste. After seeing that I swapped out Rezans for Butchers block for the crit since I was already at plenty of haste
warm plinth
You should use it @pastel vector Defensively more stats = better, and from a DPS standpoint, other secondaries would have to be more than double the weight of strength to not use the 120 gem, or 1.6x the weight for the 80 str gem
neat lagoon
everyone plays their tank differently though. i have always been a more aggressive/offensive tank.
sick sentinel
same i have not used any defensive trinket entire season
and not planning to unless its extreme and is a must
tawny maple
Does Raidbots not know you can have a 120 str gem and a 80 str gem? Or does it just priortise secondaries more?
warm plinth
It knows, and it doesn't prioritize secondaries. It prioritizes what is best.
But you have to make sure that if you already have a gem in a socket, you check the box that tells it to replace things that are already there
chilly brook
@neat lagoon then just sim it but chances are the strength will be better than the secondary options
Strength has far more implications than just damage for us
neat lagoon
I forget what is the max amount of TC's you can get off in a Demo Shout window?
chilly brook
Dependent on your haste
neat lagoon
I know that but I cannot see a warrior sitting at anything more than 35% haste without procs or anything
chilly brook
Wut
neat lagoon
I am wondering how many TC's most warriors can get off during the Demo Shout window if they have Avatar up. I would say 35% haste with ITF is the average amount of haste a warrior would have
chilly brook
And unless your raid runs 0 melee you can definitely keep up full itf stacks for a good amount of the time
35% seems low af for itf
neat lagoon
Idk I sit around 35% with 5 stacks and I have no problem with DPS, Shield Block or anything else
neat lagoon
I haven't logged onto retail in a bit so I would have to double check. Planning on running keys tonight and from what I remember I can toss out like maybe 6 TC's in a Demo should window with TC
because if say 40% haste you can get 7 off than I would aim higher
jesus christ
sick sentinel
You're stressing your mind over something completely irrelevant
neat lagoon
if you dont have the answer the fuck up
how?
it can increase overall dps a lot through out a dungeon
chilly brook
π€¦π»ββοΈ
sick sentinel
You're not factoring in losing stacks of itf by having melee get out of melee/mobs dying
oblique garnet
I have 38% haste with 5 stacks of ITF
sick sentinel
You're not factoring in haste procs
neat lagoon
I know
sick sentinel
All of the calculations you're gonna make are not going to be accurate
And you're also implying that if something happens like ss/tc/revenge(ss procs) you're gonna use TC over SS every single time
chilly brook
The DPS gain will probably, in the end, be negligible anyways
sick sentinel
Which is not even the correct play
neat lagoon
I will 100% use TC over SS 90% of the time in a keystone
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet
chilly brook
And itβs been significantly nerfed
oblique garnet
Why
neat lagoon
at this point no one should ever have rage issues
oblique garnet
What
chilly brook
Itβs not even about rage starvation
More rage=more damage by more rage spent because avatar is up more
warm plinth
Well, all else aside, more rage doesn't become irrelevant just because you're never starved for it. There's no hard cap on Anger Management CDR
chilly brook
Youβre not seeing the bigger picture
neat lagoon
I find myself using IP back to back many times just to dump rage
to try and reset Demo and Avatar as quickly as possible
chilly brook
Thatβs not necessarily bad lol
sick sentinel
That's the point tho
More avatar uptime
More demo shout uptime
Instead of maximising dps of a single demo shout
neat lagoon
I dont feel like that is wrong either though
sick sentinel
You can go for more demo shouts
chilly brook
It is if you have less uptime on the damage buff....
neat lagoon
for instance, I pull a trash group, I pop Dem and Avatar on a big pull. I will basically TC and Revenge non stop and IP to prevent myself from rage capping while focusing on TC and Revenge as much as possible
while Shield Blocking if necessary
neat lagoon
well if im not taking any damage im just gonna keep pumping tc and revenge
oblique garnet
?????????????????
neat lagoon
to dump rage
oblique garnet
What
chilly brook
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warm plinth
In order for you to be more interested in maximizing DPS of 1 shout vs gaining an additional shout, the extra damage you did in 1 shout would have to equal or be more than the damage of the entire additional shout, which is impossible.
neat lagoon
its a bigger dump isnt it?
chilly brook
Holy hell
warm plinth
By like...5 rage
oblique garnet
its like
neat lagoon
so
near ivy
and what key level are you doing where you can just choose to not press SB
its also 10 rage
neat lagoon
10's
chilly brook
5 more rage infinitely more damage taken
neat lagoon
farming 10's
near ivy
and im pretty sure you can just press both right?
chilly brook
Jesus
near ivy
?????????????
warm plinth
Oh I was thinking SB was 35 for some reason lol
chilly brook
@stoic pilot he came out the gate swinging earlier so itβs just a return
sick sentinel
@stoic pilot I've been trying to help him
neat lagoon
I have no issues surviving and am basically 100% of the time top dps on aoe pulls
chilly brook
Literally told Kaege to shut the fuck up
neat lagoon
so I know im not playing incorrectyl
stoic pilot
Sure but is it worth building extremely bad habits?
near ivy
you are doing 10's
stoic pilot
Youβre doing 10s
sick sentinel
You're doing 10s
chilly brook
You are playing incorrectly
neat lagoon
right
near ivy
you arent exactly playing with good players
near ivy
sick sentinel
You could be farming 17s
stoic pilot
RHarbs
sick sentinel
They give more gear anyway
chilly brook
Just because youβre not dead doesnβt mean you couldnβt be playing way better
stoic pilot
Youβd be better served looking at icy veins rotation guide
near ivy
"im better than everyone im playing with therefore im a good player"
i guarantee i could win a game of football with myself as the only player on the team
stoic pilot
If your question wasnβt answered, Abour max tclaps
near ivy
if i was vs a team of 11 3 year olds
stoic pilot
I think I remember seeing someone throw out 200% haste = no cd clap during avatar
Iβm not sure if correct or not but thatβs what I saw
chilly brook
If youβre taking blockable damage regardless of if youβd spend more rage on an IP, not using SB is not the move chief
stoic pilot
Also, it allows your healer to do more dmg by prio shield block
Because they donβt have to spam heal as much
stoic pilot
I get that you feel immortal in 10s, but everyone who is relatively geared in comparison does, it doesnβt mean youβre playing well. So itβd better help you to just kick the bad habits before you get into the higher keys.
chilly brook
Warrior really isnβt the class to be skipping corners when it comes to mitigation
neat lagoon
I do not run the trait where blocking reflects damage ( i forget the name have not worried about traits in a while) but I am running Bloodsport. So while there is definitely times to use shield block I am not arguing that, I feel that if I was to pull a boss or a big trash pull and we lust, and I am purely focusing on my burst dps than I thought that just dumping rage as fast as possible to try and get the second Demo shout up ASAP would be the best move
stoic pilot
So in regards to big pulls
chilly brook
Bloodsport does not make IP better than block
stoic pilot
You still would prio shield block because it gives you immense damage reduction
chilly brook
Ever
sick sentinel
Don't run bloodsport
warm plinth
Iron Fortress doesn't even affect how often you would use Shield Block
chilly brook
IP has a damage reduction cap
Block doesnβt
Itβs that simple
Block also can crit
chilly brook
^^
near ivy
so if your mentality was " I NEED TO DUMP RAGE NOW"
why not just press both
??????????
stoic pilot
And besides, if you were pulling a boss and prio burst dps, shield block > ignore pain because it buffs your shield slams.
neat lagoon
no you are correct I can press both and I will practice this method
warm plinth
The important thing here is that both SB and IP are off the GCD. Choosing one over the other because it costs 10 more rage is crazy to prioritize over how effective one is vs the other.
chilly brook
SB>IP in every situation where it can be blocked
sick sentinel
Press sb and if sb is up then press IP
neat lagoon
Now I have ran 13'-14's and my play style does change. I just was talking about getting the most damage out of your Demo Shout / Avatar windows
warm plinth
Even if it somehow meant I'd overcap rage by 10, I'd still use Shield Block over IP if SB was down unless I was taking zero blockable damage.
chilly brook
So always prioritize it
stoic pilot
If you want to get the most out of your damage you wouldnβt change your mitigation priority youβd change trinkets / essence minors etc
stoic pilot
But imo itβd help you a lot more to actually practice doing the actual rotation so that once you get to the keys that actually do damage you donβt literally die to 5 melees
neat lagoon
I mean I can obviously tell the difference between physical blockable damage and "un-blockable" damage. I do know when to SB. I just assumed that if we are in a burst phase of a fight and I know I do not have to worry about damage for a period of time I was just dumping with IP. Say I am pulling ummm the last boss in Atal Dazar and we lust/hero. I will actually pop last stand on pull (since I know I am not worried about dying since I out gear the content) and while that is up I will just IP to dump rage since I am specced into Bolster or w/e it is that Last Stand grants SB. In this situation it would be okay to use IP to dump since SB is up for the entire duration?
chilly brook
Not all blockable damage is physical
warm plinth
But you're doing less damage that way because instead of one of those IPs, you could be pressing SB and getting 30% more damage from Shield Slam
stoic pilot
^
chilly brook
^^^
sick sentinel
You use SB before you slam for shield slam damage
stoic pilot
Also you should use Last Stand ideally when youβre out of block charges
neat lagoon
so the last stand talent does not act the same way for SS damage?
warm plinth
No
chilly brook
And why the heβll would you last stand on pull
warm plinth
It only gives you the 100% block uptime, not the bonus SS damage
stoic pilot
The whole point of bolster is to supplement block downtime
neat lagoon
so I can just focus on offense
chilly brook
Itβs a mitigation downtime filler
neat lagoon
LOL okay well this is news to me. I appreciate the group bashing fellas this was enlightening
stoic pilot
Honestly
neat lagoon
as far as it not acting as SB does
chilly brook
Itβs only become bashing because of the way that you approached it
stoic pilot
Go give Icy-veins and give it a thorough read
Weβre fortunate to have a great guide
Take advantage of it
neat lagoon
oh come on man I have read that tons of times
chilly brook
Clearly not
stoic pilot
Then you skipped a bunch π
We also have a spreadsheet for blockable / reflectable spells
chilly brook
Thereβs a difference between reading and comprehending
neat lagoon
the blockable spells definitely could help
stoic pilot
Just because Iβm pointing you to icy veins doesnβt mean Iβm calling you a noob or anything or inferring you didnβt. Itβs just itβs a pretty good resource for just about everything youβve been bringing up
It answers just about everything you asked minus TC question.
Blockable thing is in the βguides-resources-faqβ tab on the left.
(Not smart enough to format that correctly lul)
neat lagoon
I was always just "if its melee SB! if its anything other than physical Spell Reflect"
sick sentinel
Just use sb like, all the time tbh
chilly brook
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warm plinth
Even in situations where you're taking a lot of magic damage, you almost always are taking relevant blockable damage too.
sick sentinel
The only mob you don't sb is shadow of zul and even he melees
stoic pilot
And ML last.
stoic pilot
1st phase of King mechagon xd
neat lagoon
shadow of zul wrecks no manner what i do. i just try and keep SR up and keep popping IP's
chilly brook
Zul is literally a DPS/heal check
Thatβs it
You rotate through your CDs and the healer CDs
If heβs not dead oof
neat lagoon
but knowing that SS is only directly affected by SB and not Last Stand helps
stoic pilot
You can also kite if you're in danger.
warm plinth
Run like a bitch if he's still not dead
stoic pilot
Like heroic leap and just run. He does have a range limit of casting.
warm plinth
Assuming you cleared the bridge, you can just run toward 3rd boss room since that's where you'd spawn if you died anyway
stoic pilot
I haven't personally skipped that middle of bridge
We usually skip the ones towards 3rd boss
warm plinth
Yeah, and I don't even think you can skip that this week with teeming can you?
sharp night
you can
near ivy
also
near ivy
if you are only doing 10s-15s
just have a dps taunt zul
and have your healer only heal you
then taunt back just before they die
sick sentinel
null barrier for org or CnS
plain ice
3 most versatile/widely used essences for m+? vision, lucid, and aegis?
weary thorn
I'd use cns over aegis unless I know every single pull is going to be big enough to outweigh cns
sick sentinel
Looks like I"m not getting world 1
feels bad
Kill time is now 7 minutes
on org
most parses are 8
π‘
warm plinth
I mean, you don't have much to do anyway lol
Finish the campaign and maybe do a TW raid if that's your thing
Actually it's not even the right TW for it
inland mesa
Everything's secret we dont knowx and that means I need to do the current campaign, just means 8.3 is closer than expected and we have to kill azshara yet D:
grand drum
They shouldve made essences account wide this .5 patch. Guess we have to wait till 8.3
sick sentinel
never going to happen
onyx vessel
Would you say 19-20k dps st without using dps trinkets for a prot warrior pretty good?
sick sentinel
based on kill time
raid comp vs dungeon
flasks
food
azerites
so nobody knows
strong forum
@inland mesa you have like 4-5 months to get CE still
ripe crow
sick sentinel
since I'm offtanking on zaqul
so it's pure magic damage and I have no edicts
Should I run null barrier main? I'm getting chunked
just spamming IP too
What are you running now
VoP, Null minor and Conflict
I still get chucked
But add dps
add dps probably not an issue
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel is monk your cotank?
sick sentinel
Yes
oblique garnet
Null major is probably the play if youre OT hard to say since i didnt do the fight on warrior as OT
sick sentinel
It just sucks
probably the only warrior who does prot OT
lol
But he's CE so he knows timing better
and know how to raid lead it
oblique garnet
Iirc there was some other warrior doing OT stuff like few weeks ago
Cant remember his name though
sick sentinel
Feelsbad to the overall parse tho haha
I do like 45k average after first echo comes out
and it stays there
but w/e it takes to survive I guess lul
could I take booming voice for extra rage gen and avatar DR?
I actually hate playing it tho
I don't even use it for org and I'm on adds
full time
oblique garnet
You didnt play booming voice on orgozoa as add tank?
oblique garnet
How do you not like booming voice?π€
Playing devastator makes me feel like im playing bdk with how slow it is xd
oblique garnet
Now if you would have played bv you would have probably gotten rank 1 world 8)
oblique garnet
But you tank keys aswell right?