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exotic spoke
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No balls

sand egret
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yeah guess I should

warm plinth
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Does my new warrior have a better shield than Blade?

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😂

sand egret
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did a 12 last night again on my baby prot and it wasn't bad but I could totally feel the shield tbh.

warm plinth
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Yeah my alliance warrior has a 390 or 395 shield and the only reason I can do 11-12s is because I have like 2 IF and 2 BfI

sand egret
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when that raging kicked in...woooooof

warm plinth
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Raging is probably the worst affix for a low shield warrior

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That shit will make you cry for mommy

sand egret
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i was spamming my non-existant Soothe button

warm plinth
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XD

sinful stone
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so i know we don't care about sockets and should equip the highest ilvl, but what about rings?

warm plinth
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I'd drop 10 ilevel for a ring if it had a socket as long as I wouldn't lose haste (that's just my feelycraft). For damage, you can sim it but a socket is probably worth a decent bit of ilevel for pure damage

inland bolt
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in m+ would I wear a 425 diamond or a 430 urchin for fort keys?

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or in general

oblique garnet
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Whats your other trinket?

ivory barn
novel sparrow
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Which emissary is,it heavy on this week?

oblique garnet
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tides

distant crystal
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aww yeah tides with teeming fort

novel sparrow
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Ok not bad. Quaking and void a few weeks ago was horrible

inland bolt
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@oblique garnet 430 edict atm

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its 425 diamond, 430 urchin, 430 edict, 430 block, 430 vial, 430 sporepods, 420 idol

oblique garnet
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How much is the absorb on 425 diamond?

distant crystal
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diamond's real good

oblique garnet
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430 ilvl edicts fully stacked absorbs 180k ish

sand egret
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@ivory barn imho it's going to be a pretty bad week in some places. Tides + harder hitting trash + more trash on particular packs can be pretty brutal. Top that off with quaking and that could get spicy, imho.

inland bolt
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101,680 max absorb on diamond

oblique garnet
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id run edicts + urchin tbh

inland bolt
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every 8.1 gain 20,366 shield

sand egret
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diamonds' gotta ramp tho

oblique garnet
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both of them gotta ramp

distant crystal
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edict's gotta ramp

oblique garnet
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edicts just ramps up higher

sand egret
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yeah but one ramps positively

distant crystal
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diamond absorbs all types

sand egret
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diamond doesn't ramp if you expend it

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while edict does

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so in actual combat, edict is getting more and more value as you're constantly taking damage, Diamond won't.

distant crystal
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but i guess edict is 4500hps in theory unramped

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9k hps max ramped

sand egret
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so you kinda have to assume edict is going to be ramped vs an unramped diamond, unless you're waiting like ~50+ seconds or whatever the stack cap is on DLRP to get it to ramp

distant crystal
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diamond 2500

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diamond doesn't ramp

sand egret
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yes it does

distant crystal
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no

sand egret
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lol

distant crystal
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it's just collecting hps during downtime

sand egret
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....

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that's literally a ramp

distant crystal
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that is literally not a ramp

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lmao

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at least compared to edict

sand egret
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so it doesn't scale up in effectiveness

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and stays at a static amount?

distant crystal
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yes

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like you don't have to think about diamond's "ramping" at all really

sand egret
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that weird ass "up to"

distant crystal
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yes we all know how it works

sand egret
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then you're wrong

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that's literally a ramp

distant crystal
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no

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not in the sense that edict ramps

sand egret
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now you're just being semantical

distant crystal
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it's literally just an absorb over time

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no u

sand egret
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lol k

exotic spoke
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Meh, edicts being able to be specific to magic damage is very nice imo

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Let’s get back to the important things - making prot pvp a thing again

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Rated pvp*

hallow phoenix
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Into the fray or punish?

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@exotic spoke

warm plinth
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ItF

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Or do you mean for PvP, since he mentioned it

hallow phoenix
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They nerfed reckless flurry in pvp so that's probably not worth taking anymore, leaving just BfI and I guess bastion

warm plinth
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Oh okay, PvP

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Ignore me then XD

hallow phoenix
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@warm plinth bb what if I don't want to ignore you

warm plinth
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Just know I'm a bad woyer

exotic spoke
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I mean, I didn’t change anything really when I did it Sunday. Took CoF major, VoP and null minor, cyclo, and then put on my single target dps azerite

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Went well - out dpsed most of the people or was close other times.

hallow phoenix
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Booming voice instead of devastator yeah?

exotic spoke
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And super annoying with the roots

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Yeah - I took the demo shout pvp talent

hallow phoenix
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That talent is so OP

exotic spoke
hallow phoenix
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Like 100% uptime on demoshout

exotic spoke
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Only 400k less damage than an arms warrior against us

hallow phoenix
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I need to start doing pvp for c&s rank 3 :(

exotic spoke
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That’s why I did it. I was happy it went well ( 11 and 2 record)

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If they had melee dps it was a joke for the most part

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Hpal started around 1800 and actually made points

hallow phoenix
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So you ran shield bash, the tclap talent, and the demo one?

exotic spoke
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Yeah

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Peels for days

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And a good amount of control. With hpal you can chain cc someone for a while. Three stuns, a fear, a repent

hallow phoenix
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I used to do 2s with a destro and if there was melee I'd run bodyguard and bash and demo

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He'd just stand there and be a turret with like 60% DR

exotic spoke
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I run safeguard as a normal talent damn near 100% of the time

naive panther
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What essences are people running in m+ this week?

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I have everything r3 going and just unlocked 65 today or will soon, was using cof and sphere for most runs.

exotic spoke
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Probably VoP null and aegis. If I had everything at rank three I’d mess around with VoP aegis cns

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But that’s for push keys

naive panther
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I was thinking vop major. Aegis also since big pulls.

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Then either sphere or c and s or lucid. Think null could be better?

exotic spoke
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I don’t have cns rank three. Null depends on dungeon

Also debating undying major VoP minor and aegis or null

naive panther
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I can’t even remember which one is undying

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I finally got my 445 shield with avoidance last week

weary thorn
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i usually just chill with vop/lucid/cns or vop/null/cns depending on the dungeon

naive panther
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Well I finally am back up to two bom. But I could use 420 ashvane chest for a third to make vop more useful. Or gamble a chest have 100k was saving it.

oblique garnet
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@exotic spoke Pvp as prot works really well if you can just cleave both targets in 2s or in 3s always the 2 dps

exotic spoke
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Yes, most of the time that worked. Originally just started on healer and annoyed the shit out of them if my hpal felt safe with their dps.

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But playing against double melee dps was really funny

oblique garnet
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double melee vs bodyguard xd

exotic spoke
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Yup

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Lol

west kayak
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I know this to be fact but wanted to verify, as my memory sucks, we always want some form of VoP, Maj/Min, equipped correct?

sick sentinel
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Yeah

west kayak
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Good deal. I have just about everything R3 and wanted to start pushing keys into the 15+. VOP/aegis/lucid sounds like a possibility.

terse dragon
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Is Vers a good stat for us?

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I looted a 440 189 Haste 340 Vers ring

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not sure if i should replace my haste mastery ring

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with a socket lol

west kayak
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Same ilvl?

terse dragon
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same ilvl, but the haste mastery has a socket

exotic spoke
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No

sick sentinel
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Keep socket

exotic spoke
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Purely because of socket

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You could have said nothing else imo

sick sentinel
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More stats=better

exotic spoke
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^^

west kayak
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^

terse dragon
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yeah i just like that my vers goes up 4% lol

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but yeah i was thinkin the socket is better

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just overall

sick sentinel
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I even use a ring without haste because of more stats

exotic spoke
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Pretty much

sick sentinel
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I do have a healer that uses artifice of time minor tho

hasty nova
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hey i'm trying to get aegis of the deep rank 4

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but the speaker utia

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that it tells me to go to

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only has option for lucid dreams rank 4

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rather lucid dreams rank 3

warm plinth
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Pretty sure you get Aegis r4 directly from the paragon chest/bag

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Only the first 3 are purchased

hasty nova
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what is it a random drop or something then?

undone sun
hasty nova
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omg

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how absolutely annoying

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alright thanks guys

warm plinth
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Yeah it's from the bags you get for going 10k rep past exalted 😦

hasty nova
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yeah i guess i'll be skipping that one

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sigh

tropic star
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is there wa weak aura out tehre that can pop something up to let me know avatar is active. for ilke with VOP procs

west kayak
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There are a few in Wago.io that can show that. I use Khakhans to alert me for various CD's.

tawny maple
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Welp guys time to stop playing warrior my paladin currently is higher ilvl equipped because RNG

west kayak
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What weapon enchant do y'all think for pushing high keys? I am currently using Force Multiplier but read that Naga Hide is good/better for pushing?

exotic spoke
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Force multiplier or quick Mac

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Nav*

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Where did you read about naga hide?

undone sun
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naga definitely isn't the pick

west kayak
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I will stick with Force. I cannot recall where I saw the Naga usage but there were enough of them to warrant me asking here.

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Now I just need decent tank trinkets... Using a 440 Alchy Stone and a 440 Barnacle.

warm plinth
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@tropic star If you want to specifically track Visions procs, you can make a WA that tracks the Strive for Perfection heal (assuming you have R3) and that'd probably give you a good idea of how much it's proccing

tawny maple
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If we are using coral in prot when do we want to use it? Every Avatar?

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Assuming no inkpod

exotic spoke
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What’s a Coral?

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Honestly - I don’t know Seregon. I haven’t had one drop yet (still) so haven’t paid much attention to it

cinder storm
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I got Rezan 455 no socket Lingering sporepods 455 socket and ritual bandages 440 socket, should I use bandages instead of sporepods?

exotic spoke
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What other trinkets do you have?

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At a respectable (430+ level)

cinder storm
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Just those three rest are 430, 430 jes howlis and 430 waycrest manor

tawny maple
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Hmmm probably will just use it every Avatar unless there is some kind of burn phase

exotic spoke
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Gore crusted? Fuck it use that imo.

tawny maple
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I've done WCM so much and never seen that trinket drop :(

cinder storm
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Is the gore crusted that good? dang, so which one should I go for my secondary trink?

tawny maple
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The rezans

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Rezans/gore is prime

exotic spoke
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Spore pods is garbage. I’d take a gore over a 440 bandage

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Personally

cinder storm
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Thanks, will try those 2 then

tawny maple
cinder storm
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wait I also have the vial of animated blood 440

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So rezan and gore are prime for prot?

hard vault
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Got unlucky w my prot and got 2 IF and 1 BoM

exotic spoke
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Animated blood isnalso good

hard vault
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is it better to run triple IF

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than 1 BoM

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I main brew so idk that much bout prot

exotic spoke
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What other trinkets? And not necessarily better - more defensive potentially? I’d have to look at the mat

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Sorry I meant what other essences

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Fuck - traits

hard vault
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BfI

exotic spoke
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Like what are you running right now overall

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In the 6 outer slots

hard vault
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Double BFI Double IF 1 BoM

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1 BS

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unlucky asf

exotic spoke
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That’s fine for defensives - what are the other options for BS?

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Also, do you have any Deafening crash?

hard vault
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none

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I know I need 1 at least

exotic spoke
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You make due until then.

What are your options other than BS?

hard vault
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Rezans lol

exotic spoke
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What piece - I can’t remember what rezans does

hard vault
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Soulspun Casque

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Skyscorcher Pauldrons

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Harpooners Plate Cuirass

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are the 3 im running

warm plinth
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Rezan's is the single target damage proc iirc

hard vault
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yea

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it like spawns little dino

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for dmg

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I feel the only dmg traits I should take are Heed and OP

exotic spoke
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Ah fair enough

warm plinth
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Nah there are others

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Unstable Flames is amazing

hard vault
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oh ok word

exotic spoke
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Single target there are other good options. Shifting sands I think is a good one too

warm plinth
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I can't remember the name of the other

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Oh yeah, Swirling Sands

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That one's good too

hard vault
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man I used to have triple bastion and 1 deafening 1 bs on 415 fear

warm plinth
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RIP

hard vault
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upgraded to 435 gear and now shit traits

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GG

warm plinth
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In fairness it's worth losing that much ilevel on a piece for DC

hard vault
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man

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I ALREADY FUCKIN SCAPPRED

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FUCK

exotic spoke
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RIP

warm plinth
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I mean it's not the end of the world; just roll shoulders next time

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Like 5 of the 6 possibilities have DC iirc

hard vault
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ight

exotic spoke
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Make due - that’s about all you can do

Do first boss in EP

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Or first couple I should say

hard vault
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ye once my boy gets just gonna full clear

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or at least to zaq

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So in a perfect world

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what are the best traits to have

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I know its triple bastion ofc and 1 DC

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what are the other 2

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im really liking my prot better than brew

warm plinth
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For what situation? M+?

exotic spoke
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Talking defensive or offensive. Cause offensive is going to be different

Also, yeah what content

hard vault
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M+ yes

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Id say OFF

warm plinth
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So those and just 2 other whatever

hard vault
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oh i see

warm plinth
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So like what we said, Unstable Flames, Swirling Sands, Blightborne Infusion

hard vault
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2 of those 3

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with 1 DC

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ightt

warm plinth
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Those are just good ones; there are probably a couple I'd avoid if they showed up, like Ruinous Bolt

hard vault
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yep

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I dodged that shit with my BS

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I just need my edicts

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is urchin that good for prot?

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or can I go offensive with edicts

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i got my urchin but no edicts sadly

exotic spoke
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Urchin is rated highest overall survivability assuming highest Ilvl

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Edicts is third for its ilvl - that said o prefer edicts for m+

warm plinth
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One defensive trinket is fine with a more offensive build; won't make or break you for the most part

hard vault
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yea

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I outhealed rdruid on my brew w edicts

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its fucking busted

warm plinth
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I like Edicts for M+ too though I don't have one yet. Just because you can make it work solely for magic which is really where we have issues

exotic spoke
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I tend to use edicts and gore (both 430) right now. I also have urchin

warm plinth
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If we have any :p

exotic spoke
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I didn’t use either last week

hard vault
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is Gore the trink from WC?

warm plinth
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Yeah

hallow phoenix
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Yes

exotic spoke
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Yes

warm plinth
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Gore-crusted Butcher's Block

hard vault
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whats that one vial

warm plinth
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That's from UR

hard vault
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that increases main stat

hallow phoenix
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I have me a socketed Gore and I love it

warm plinth
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Vial of Animated Blood

hallow phoenix
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Vial of animated blood

hard vault
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ye

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how is that compared to gore

warm plinth
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Less good

hard vault
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i was thinking running edicts and

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oh

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lol

hallow phoenix
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I run both a lot

warm plinth
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But you said you have a 440 vial vs 430 gore right?

hallow phoenix
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When I pop vial and a str pot during Gore proc I'm around 40+% parry

exotic spoke
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Fuck my trinket luck this tier. God damnit

warm plinth
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Dude that guy that said he had a 455 rezan w/ socket earlier made me tear up a bit

hallow phoenix
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Rezans always has trash uptime when I use it

warm plinth
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Or 450, w/e

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Define trash uptime?

hallow phoenix
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Like 19%

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When Gore can have closer to 27 in m+

hard vault
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is rezaans a proc?

hallow phoenix
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Not sure why

hard vault
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rezan*

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zzzz 2 more week for r3 visions

hallow phoenix
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Some dungeons I even have 30% on gore

hard vault
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honestly making alts is fucking cancer

exotic spoke
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What’s an alt skyhold ?

hard vault
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a mistake

exotic spoke
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I agree playing BM was a mistake 😛

hard vault
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T_T

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CMON MAN

exotic spoke
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You had a choice!

hard vault
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😦

exotic spoke
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To be fair I’ve played this char since day 1

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And after leveling it in vanilla I decided fuck leveling

hard vault
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i made this toon like 3 week ago

warm plinth
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19% is pretty shit uptime lol

hard vault
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maybe 4

exotic spoke
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Something like 550+ days played on this chat >.>

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Char*

hard vault
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.

exotic spoke
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I’ll do it when I get home. But it’s either close to or more likely over 550

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Though 200 ish was at 60

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That pvp grind life - where it was 30 minute queues for a 10 minute match.

So I wasn’t really playing per se

warm plinth
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Part of me is glad that I lost my original account because I'm scared of how much time /played I have 😂

exotic spoke
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Why worry. would I change it if I could? In hindsight yeah. But what’s done is done. No reason to feel bad about it

warm plinth
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I wouldn't change it even i don't think. I've always been good about taking breaks when the game bored me

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So if I was playing, I was having fun

exotic spoke
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I would. At least the pvp grind

warm plinth
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Well, had I done that I may feel similarly

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But I have always been a dungeon person, since my first character

exotic spoke
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Would have been fucking faster to grind gold

sacred roost
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430 Dream's End or 445 Cudgel of Correctional Oversight?

warm plinth
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445 without a doubt

dark lark
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for M+: pick 2 minors: conflict r2, lucid r3, aegis r3

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nullification dependent on dungeon

sick sentinel
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no sphere?>

hard vault
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sphere is dogshit

warm plinth
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Harsh bro

outer dew
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@Thyme#3023

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Wait wtf

warm plinth
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RIP ping

outer dew
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Why cant I ping

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Thyme??

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Hello

warm plinth
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@undone sun ez

outer dew
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There we go

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My new baby

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Look how big he is, gonna be big and strong

undone sun
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:o

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I tried looking for mine but I have no clue where it is

outer dew
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Riiiip

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If your pot bigger, how you even lose something that bog

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😂

warm plinth
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Tofu

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Did you see my big boy shield?

undone sun
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That was my thought

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How in the hell can't I find it

sick sentinel
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????

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sphere is dogshit

warm plinth
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C'mon Kaege they have quotes now

outer dew
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Link it

sick sentinel
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idk how to do them

warm plinth
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Just put a space between the arrow and the word

outer dew
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And man, this pot so pretty

sick sentinel
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test

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YO

outer dew
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All the soup and sauce I'm gonna make

warm plinth
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What happens if you do two arrows? D:

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ARROWS

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Oh

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Awkward

mint adder
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is prot war best mt for m za'qul?

cinder fjord
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Quick question - Does prot typically prioritize iLevel over traits for Azerite?

sick sentinel
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yes

cinder fjord
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Kk. I'd be swapping out a Brace for Impact and Iron fortress for a Callous Reprisal and Bloodsport, is why I asked - I know those are generally worse traits

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The second two I mean

sick sentinel
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what garbage ass piece has CR AND BS?

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wait there is literally no piece in the game that you pick those 2 in unless your gear is hyper scuffed

cinder fjord
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So I have A Warhelm of Dread Waters w/ Crash and Bastion, and 430 shoulders with Brace and Fortress. I got some 445 shoulders w/ Crash and bloodsport as the two best

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So swap crash on the helm out for Callous and take the Bloodsport and Deafening Crash 445 insterad of the 430 shoulders

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Sorry that was a bit confusing haha

sick sentinel
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okay do a /simc

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go in raidbots top gear

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and then screenshot

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so I can see what traits you have

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because I got confused

cinder fjord
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Nah no worries lol

sick sentinel
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are all of those raid azerite or do you have vendor azerite as well?

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you might be missing something important here

cinder fjord
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Raid and Vendor

strong forum
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horned horror shoulders have CR + BS

sick sentinel
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if it's vendor azerite then maybe there are some good general ones

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like scheeming

strong forum
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i know cuz i got them this week :)))))))))))))))

sick sentinel
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genuinely just trying to help here

undone sun
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ah i found it, imaging it bigger than it is. think it's a 20qt @outer dew

outer dew
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Pica

undone sun
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couldn't find a tape measure to cross reference the dimensions

outer dew
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And yes. Most people dont need bigger than 20

undone sun
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@outer dew

exotic spoke
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That’s some high quality p(r)ot right there Thyme

undone sun
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👌

outer dew
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bless

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WOW

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riki

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you don't compliment my pot

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but compliments thyme's?

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so sad

exotic spoke
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I didn’t see yours o just pulled this up

exotic spoke
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That too is a high quality p(r)ot!

undone sun
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but we all know who riki likes more

outer dew
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lmao

undone sun
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😏

outer dew
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mine has a banana for scale

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😉

exotic spoke
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That’s the official reddit scale

undone sun
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don't have any bananas nor was i going to bring it inside just for a pic

exotic spoke
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But this is discord

outer dew
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imagine

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your internet points

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going upo

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the falue

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value*

exotic spoke
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Mine always go up because all I do is win. I’m like the 🙌 in the 80s

undone sun
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👀

exotic spoke
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The U

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It’s all about The U

outer dew
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tbh

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i never understood

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why is W

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double u?

undone sun
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double v

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

exotic spoke
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Lol

outer dew
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that's disrespectful

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for w

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why can't w have it's own sound

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why can't it be called the wuh

exotic spoke
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Maybe it started out As uu

outer dew
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or something

undone sun
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they got lazy on the day they came up with W

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obviously

outer dew
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a w doesn't even sound like a u

exotic spoke
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But Thyme do you know about The U?

undone sun
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no

exotic spoke
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Wow.....

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WOW

undone sun
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also just found something fascinating, the W was made to replicate what was uu in roman english

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so double u is fitting

exotic spoke
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Yes it is

undone sun
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similar to how germans have the ss/ß

exotic spoke
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Now part two -

undone sun
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oh

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sprots

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that's not me

exotic spoke
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The university of Miami - The U

undone sun
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😴

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i don't even watch NFL, let alone college football

exotic spoke
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Miami Hurricanes - football is life back then

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The Rock played there too!

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@outer dew do you follow sports?

#

Or are you like Thyme

undone sun
#

a nerd?

exotic spoke
#

You can be a nerd and like sports

#

They don’t necessarily have to be exclusive

undone sun
#

😑

exotic spoke
#

I don’t watch pro football- I watch Miami football and hockey

#

Dude, I’m a nerd - but I like some sportsball too

undone sun
#

at most i watch baseball, but im still not that big into it

outer dew
#

not really

exotic spoke
#

It’s not your fault you weren’t exposed to it growing up - I forgive you Thyme

undone sun
#

nah, my dad is big into football

#

it just never carried over

outer dew
#

whenever i tried out for a sport

exotic spoke
#

Fair - oddly enough my dad isn’t

outer dew
#

my dad told me i was shit

undone sun
#

i remember vividly sunday football

outer dew
#

and I shouldn't bother

#

pepehands

undone sun
#

i played baseball for 7 years

exotic spoke
#

Hockey though - an ex introduced me to that.
And I loved it

#

Fast, hard hitting, and exciting. Didn’t hurt that those years were really good for my local team

#

And I got a lot of tickets through work

outer dew
#

i mean

#

i really liked lacrosse

undone sun
#

we don't have lacrosse in my town

#

so never got to try

#

my cousin played for many years

outer dew
#

lmao

analog swift
#

Anybody here watch mma?

#

See gaychee with his knockout?

outer dew
#

i left high school early because i wanted to do CC

#

but the second I left

#

they introduced lacrosse to my old HS

undone sun
#

🤣

exotic spoke
#

I do from time to time theseus but I didn’t see that

#

Rip tofu

outer dew
#

tbh

#

I probably

#

would of stayed in HS

#

just to play lacrosse and meme

#

lmao

#

but i learned the hard way

#

my helmet size is 4xl

undone sun
#

big boy

outer dew
#

when i first did MSF

#

4xl helmet needed

#

and when in lacroose

#

they took 2 2xl helmets

#

and fitted them together to fit my head

undone sun
#

lol

outer dew
#

like, i just had this modded helmet with bolts in it

#

just because my head too big

exotic spoke
#

Lol

undone sun
#

such a colorful chat history you got

#

😄

outer dew
#

smh

#

you don't understand struggles

#

i can't have hats

#

my head too big

shadow tapir
#

is there a consensu damage trinket for M+ 10-12 if stacking 2 defensive isn't necessary?

#

consensus*

undone sun
#

definitely not necessary, would factor more on your own comfortability but 95% of the time trinkets wont make the different between life or death

shadow tapir
#

Yeah I am being told I'm taking almost no damage so I want to swap out for a damage trinket, I have all of them at 430, just not sure if there is a one-size-fits-all for damage trinket from the prot position

outer dew
#

depends

shadow tapir
#

razor coral sims highest but doesn't seem great for M+?

sick sentinel
#

fuck coral in mplus

distant crystal
#

wdym it's great in m+

#

free rips

sick sentinel
#

It's so much worse than anything else

rigid sigil
#

its garbage in practice

warm plinth
#

How can you even gauge how much DPS it gave you? You can track the damage it actually did but you can't easily factor how much the crit helped you

shadow tapir
#

What do y'all run in M+ when looking to add some dps from the trinket slot? I was looking at briny or maybe the cyclotronic?

sick sentinel
#

Stat trinkets

#

Atal/Gore

#

Don't run cyclo, you'll die

#

Inkpod is also good

lapis kraken
#

does gutripper damage stack with multiple traits?

potent anvil
#

Yes.

lapis kraken
#

ty

icy garnet
#

Don't run cyclo, you'll die

sick sentinel
#

You can't block while channelling

icy garnet
#

nothing spoken was ever more true

sick sentinel
#

It's such a trap

warm plinth
#

You're a trap

icy garnet
#

oh no i'm in full agreement. tried it in a few keys thinkin hey this'll be gre... o god wut have i done

sick sentinel
#

@warm plinth that's an insult

warm plinth
#

Is it?

shadow tapir
#

Haha ok. Cyclo goes back to the raid parse pile.

sick sentinel
#

Traps are homosexual

sand egret
#

😬

sick sentinel
#

Oh blade

outer dew
#

Nah

#

I'm a man

#

Pop LS and SW and use fangs

#

True god

sick sentinel
#

Shockwave into fang

#

True combo

outer dew
#

Tbh

#

A random dude was baiting me into playing my warrior again

sand egret
#

455 bracers from my cache wooooooo

sick sentinel
#

Big

sand egret
#

this game really doesn't want me to play my war

#

fucking got a net gain of Speed in my war's cache

sick sentinel
#

Gotta go fast

sand egret
#

so at least it understands that part about me

#

but the fact that it's like the ONE fuckign item on my warrior that got TF'd....that stings

#

everything else is like 420ish and my bracers are 440.....so ofc I get the same bracers but with Speed

warm plinth
#

You're mad at a 15 ilevel upgrade?

shadow tapir
#

3 TR rolls, 3 turrrrribble azerite pieces.

sand egret
#

noo it was a 0 ilvl upgrade

#

my bracers were the only piece that was 440....so i got the same ones at 440 but with Speed

warm plinth
#

Oh I thought you said you had 440 and got 455?

sand egret
#

my 🐻 got the bracers

#

with the best stat distrib to boot

#

sans the socket, it's BIS

warm plinth
#

Oh

sand egret
#

its my war that got screwed

warm plinth
#

Be grateful for your speed Blade

sand egret
#

wanna talk speed? in feral, my base movespeed is like 55%

#

perma sprint

#

it's amazing

warm plinth
#

Nice

sand egret
#

never noticed it until I finally got to dps and i'm running circles around these other folks

#

Speed is the best stat

onyx vessel
#

what essences do we use on zaqul offtanking

exotic spoke
#

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

#

Second pull on ashvane and the bitch is dead

warm plinth
#

Nice

exotic spoke
#

So - we add tanks and let others tank boss yeah?

#

On Oragoza or w/e

sand egret
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

grats doe

exotic spoke
#

Thanks Blade

warm plinth
#

Gorgonzola*

sand egret
#

i feel like orgo pumps so warriors would be suited for that initial spike.

#

but im prob the last person to ask about this haha

exotic spoke
#

@strong forum What tanks do you use for orogoza

sand egret
#

ooo I know this! warriors and bears! (his guildie posted a kill vid in the bear discord)

#

one of the bears was the add tank

#

def saw Nom MT'ing it at some points

#

can't miss that OG troll warrior look

exotic spoke
#

Think its usually 3 thanked. have BDK, Druid, prot

distant crystal
#

it can be 2tanked with a couple monks

#

but that's p much the only way

#

any ol 3tank combo will do tho

limpid pawn
#

I have a 445 razdunks from my chest today

exotic spoke
#

We dont have two monks 😛

limpid pawn
#

It actually sims ok for aoe

#

But do any of you guys use that ?

#

I have 440 vial, 430 gore with socket, 445 edict with socket, 430 rezans

exotic spoke
#

what content

outer dew
#

Just do 4 tanks

#

Big brain

sand egret
#

why stop there

outer dew
#

@exotic spoke

#

How I feel when you dont invite me for keys

#

Tbh

exotic spoke
#

When are you free for keys bb

outer dew
#

Always free bby

#

😉

hollow bolt
#

Alright i just got volontold to tank orgozo, what do

outer dew
#

Well except monday and wed nights

#

Besides that, if you throw me a

#

"Do keys"

#

I'll probably answer the call

exotic spoke
#

Gonprot - tank boss - soak pools

#

Etc

#

But I have one pull on her

#

It?

distant crystal
#

make sure

#

you have shieldblock up BEFORE you hit taunt

exotic spoke
#

yes

outer dew
#

I think my mom is happier I got this stock pot

exotic spoke
#

no balls - rely on your base mastery

outer dew
#

Than I am

distant crystal
#

muy importante

outer dew
#

She's trying to get me to feed myself. More than me

lapis kraken
#

does undulating tides stack?

outer dew
#

And wow, is there an actual active mitigation check

#

I thought they removed those after legion

#

@Thyme#3023 should I bake some brownies?

warm plinth
#

No, don't think it's an actual one

outer dew
#

And wtf

#

Ping for me ghash

warm plinth
#

@undone sun

outer dew
#

Really?

#

If it knocks if you domt have an active mitigation

undone sun
#

Weird

outer dew
#

Makes sense to me

undone sun
#

Yes

#

You should

warm plinth
#

Yeah but it's not mechanically an active mitigation check

#

Warriors have a lot of shit that'll truck them if you don't have SB/Bolster up

#

Doesn't mean they're AM checks :p

outer dew
#

Yea

#

But getting knocked off

#

Is a check

#

If the difference between getting yeeted off a platform or not

warm plinth
#

Is that how it works? I haven't heard any talk of them before?

outer dew
#

Is if you have your SB on

#

Iunno

#

If you tell me that you get knocked

#

And the solution is have SB up

#

It sounds like an am check

warm plinth
#

I agree

outer dew
#

@exotic spoke explain the mechanic to me

warm plinth
#

But didn't think there was anything like that

outer dew
#

Oh

#

I'm miss reading it

#

Thought you get yeeted off if you didn't smack

#

No, you just get fucked

#

I understand now

exotic spoke
#

Orogoza ?

outer dew
#

All good

#

I misread

#

Thought the boss yeeted you off the platform

#

Tbh I kind of miss AM checks

warm plinth
#

I think there are some psuedo ones

sand egret
#

lol they got rid of AM checks since Legion

warm plinth
#

Like things that if you don't have it up will fuck you up

#

But no extra effects obviously

sand egret
#

yeah, that's diff tho. The extra punishment for failing was the key

#

which, tbh, I wish they went more in on.

#

less auto-pilot AM and more conscious choices of using it

warm plinth
#

I know it's different; just saying there are some with kind of the same concept. Like if you don't have SB up for Blade Combo you're going to die

lapis kraken
#

does undulating tides stack?

#

damage

sand egret
#

yes

lapis kraken
#

is it worth taking over tidal surge?

sand egret
#

imho it's kinda a bait trait but ymmv

modern brook
#

how are those the two traits ur debating between

lapis kraken
#

Extra damage? Sims says undulating but wanted a second opinion

sand egret
#

what's your prot option

modern brook
#

if ur looking for a damage upgrade only just follolw what the sim says imo

sand egret
#

undulating is also kinda a bait in sim

exotic spoke
#

Then go with undulating if that’s what sims says and that’s your goal then sure

What are your other options though

sand egret
#

it'll always sim high. Problem is that it also assumes you don't proc it

#

then it's value tanks

warm plinth
#

Yeah it sims high because you don't ever drop that low in sims

#

to where it would disable for 45 seconds

outer dew
#

Only thing high here is my BPM because of @warm plinth

#

😉

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

I was volutold to tank adds by myself

#

Giant

next plaza
#

430 edict with avoidance and a socket better than a 400 diamond lace? This is a dumb question right?

bold dock
#

anyone use arcane heart from the ashvane chest?

#

never even seen this trait before

weary thorn
#

From what I remember arcane heart is a literalgarbage trait

warm plinth
#

It's not a great trait. Though I imagine as gear gets better, it'll get better (though I think that's one of the "raid" traits so it probably won't be on higher ilevel azerite in the future)

brittle owl
#

the healing and damage components are taken into account separately, which makes it kinda poopy

fringe marten
#

For someone just returning and building ap up, and only has access to two essences, for raiding what would be the second one..the rage refund or the null dynamo?

#

(doing heroic atm)

brittle owl
#

lucid dreams if you dont have null r3

#

but it doesn't matter much mind you

#

can go one or the other, doubt you'll notice a difference

fringe marten
#

naw there's no way I'd have the faction for null 3 yet. (is that faction based?)

gaunt dawn
#

VoP is relatively quick to obtain

brittle owl
#

rep is the easy bit

#

oscillators are the main grind

gaunt dawn
#

Rep isnt the east part

#

The funk

fringe marten
#

yeah I have vision of perfection rank 1.

gaunt dawn
#

Just do chests every day for your world quest (where possible)

fringe marten
#

that's basically the 'main' essence forever...atm right?

gaunt dawn
#

You get an extra few oscillator per week

brittle owl
#

youll get to exalted before you have all the oscillators

fringe marten
#

do the higher ranks cost more oscillators?

gaunt dawn
#

Yes

fringe marten
#

damn I shouldn't have made that ring then; it was already worse than what I had.

gaunt dawn
#

Xd

brittle owl
#

ye dont use oscillators

#

😂

#

r3 is 14 osci

#

r2 is 5 iirc

gaunt dawn
#

Double

fringe marten
#

so the rage refund one then for now.

#

the blueprint for r2 of VoP..is that actually tinkering or does pascal king make it?

brittle owl
#

you get it from king mechagon

#

from your second kill/second week basically

fringe marten
#

right..but it says 'tinkering' as the profession for it. Does Pascal King make it, or do you actually have to be a tinker?

brittle owl
#

pascal makes it

#

there are no playable tinkers in game

#

.....yet👀

autumn pendant
#

👀

fringe marten
#

well I meant..engineering sorry.

#

so if it says 'tinkering' it means it's pascal

brittle owl
#

yes

fringe marten
#

I've called engineering tinkering since I've played wow due to everquest..so the distinction actually matters now unfortunately lol.

hallow phoenix
#

Got my 435 razor coral and 430 inkpod tonight finally

#

huzzah

ionic fern
#

Gratz.deswind

hallow phoenix
#

Thanks! they feel so good

#

except on behemoth something weird happened and the fish cucked me by going intermission at 30.5%. Had coral popped and then he didnt take the inkpod damage

autumn pendant
#

Yea that happens

#

Unfortunately

ionic fern
#

I'm still on the hunt for my Inkpod. 😦

#

Double on-use is annoying me far too much.

#

😂

brittle owl
#

double on use on warrior is easy don't @me

ionic fern
brittle owl
#

is the truf

#

if you disagree you wrong

#

actual facts

ionic fern
#

Proved by the Internet.

brittle owl
#

i'm not an expert, BUT

undone sun
#

but

ionic fern
#

To be continued

inland bolt
#

For m+ why is one of the top warriors running merektha’s fang?

ionic fern
#

?

inland bolt
#

Is it strong offensively but just sims badly?

#

He’s running alchemist stone + merekthas fang(from temple) if that matters

#

He sometimes runs inkpod + merekthas fang

ionic fern
#

You're getting this from raider.io?
If yes then remember that it'll show the trinket you use when ever you log out.

weary thorn
#

Merekthas is purely for damage, if he's using it then he is cosplaying as a bdk

hallow phoenix
#

I use merektha's in freehold boosts

#

cant think of another good reason to use it

ebon hound
#

memeing on people that check their profile on raider.io

inland bolt
#

I’m not sure if it’s hidden op in aoe

#

I’ve just never seen anyone run it

#

He also runs conflict major and I’ve seen a few other warriors jump on the bandwagon too

ionic fern
#

Well that's just horrible.

inland bolt
#

Conflict makes sense since you can literally kite and take no damage and the vers is pretty big also

ionic fern
#

Pretty sure he's memeing.

inland bolt
#

The conflict or the merekthas fang?

warm dawn
#

Should i put a 450 chest with BFI / Bloodsport or a 435 with IF / BOM ?

ebon hound
#

Unless he's uploaded vids of runs with that setup I call memes on that

hallow phoenix
#

Merekthas is really good aoe, but also a death sentence in any size pull that makes it good enough to use

inland bolt
#

Cause I’m 99% sure conflict major is legit, I’m not soo sure about fang though

#

With treants it might be ok to channel

hallow phoenix
#

Conflict major is very good in something like ToS eye room on necrotic

inland bolt
#

Hmm I’m thinking of just running it regardless of affix

#

It’s more consistent and the vers is massive in some keys

hallow phoenix
#

Boy wish I had rank 3

brittle owl
#

its not that hard to get tbh

#

as long as you have a 50% win rate you can grind out the rating in less than a week

sweet summit
#

CnS major feels good to play with wym

brittle owl
#

actually you can prob do that in a day lol, depends how much you wanna play

hallow phoenix
#

I need 15 thingies to get rank 3 yeah? And you get like 4 a week at around 1600 rating

brittle owl
#

5 a week

#

so 3 weeks minimum

hallow phoenix
#

Hmm

inland bolt
#

But yeah I feel like prot war aoe is just lacking hard compared to brews at this point - I’m thinking of pushing but kinda demotivating when brews do the same thing but with more utility

hallow phoenix
#

Now I just need to find an arena partner

ionic fern
#

I'm sorry..what?

brittle owl
#

how is brew aoe

#

even remotely similar to prot aoe

inland bolt
#

Generally brews with cns major outdamages prot warrior

hallow phoenix
#

Pretty sure brew has similar st damage

inland bolt
#

Wym?

hallow phoenix
#

Not aoe

brittle owl
#

oh you mean hot trub abuse

inland bolt
#

I’m like 100% sure brew does more aoe, it’s not even arguable

brittle owl
#

that will only get you so far in keys tbh, p sure no one pushing hard uses cns major

ionic fern
brittle owl
#

could be wrong tho

autumn pendant
#

@ionic fern 😂

hallow phoenix
#

How do these guys do like 60k hps on h zaqul? Are they going into delerium realm?

#

DPS*

brittle owl
#

you mean tanks?

#

just have the dps not attack the adds

#

big pad big aoe big duppus

sick sentinel
#

leech Pepexecute

ionic fern
#

At this point we need a separate emoji for leech.

ebon hound
#

A pepeg emoji holding a siphoning enchant

nocturne blaze
#

hi guys quick question 430 bastion/fortress or 445 clap/fortress i have 2 claps and only one other bastion

ionic fern
#

What's the other choice on the 445 except for clap?

nocturne blaze
#

one sec

#

swirling sands

strong forum
#

@exotic spoke our comp is scuffed AF, its me and 2 guardian druids

sick sentinel
#

today

#

is the day

#

I am buying specific shoulders

#

I am getting kraken shell

#

3bom/2ms/1dc dream

mint imp
#

2ms?

autumn pendant
#

Meticulous scheming

#

Or however it is spelled

slim pier
#

exactly like that

fringe marten
#

hm..why is Force Multiplier recommended over Naga Hide, for weapon enchantment?

sweet summit
#

Naga hide bad

fringe marten
#

why's that?

brittle owl
#

proc absorbs are bad in general since they can be wasted if they proc at the wrong time, the proc rate is bad, the amount it absorbs is teeny, secondary gain from force mult does way more defensively

#

excessive turtling is bad in general and almost always unnecesary

fringe marten
#

k; since it triggers from defensive abilities it sounds like it would trigger a lot less than a standard on attack proc.

brittle owl
#

it's not that

#

if something triggers of block it would have the highest proc rate on a warrior

#

it's just a shit procrate in general in this particular case

#

and afaik

#

your own absorbs trigger the icd

verbal python
#

What’s the best race for us rn

brittle owl
#

don't quote me on that though

#

if you have to ask, it really doesn't matter @verbal python

#

races have almost 0 impact

verbal python
#

Interesting

#

Just curious

brittle owl
#

the dwarves have a racial that is situationally broken

#

but other than that, it doesn't matter

verbal python
#

Which dwarfs

slim pier
#

normal

verbal python
#

Oh really

#

I thought it would be the dark irons

brittle owl
#

both of them

verbal python
#

Lul

brittle owl
#

DiD has the benefit of a dps gain from it

#

reg dwarf has a small def cd in in it

#

the broken component is being able to remove bleeds really

verbal python
#

Which one removes more

brittle owl
#

👀

#

they remove the same amount

#

which is to say all of them, on use

verbal python
#

Fuck that

#

Disgusting

strong forum
#

both dwarfs remove, bleed, curses, poison, magic and diseases

sick sentinel
strong forum
#

big saving man

#

at this point i should've done the same

#

bought 3 shoulders so far and im 2.5k off of the next ones

#

2x cthraxxi 1x horned horror... fucking disgusting

slim pier
#

go fury

autumn pendant
#

2 x cthraxxi omg

strong forum
#

ima quit the game before going fury

slim pier
#

lmao remind me to play as prot so i can get bis fury/arms pieces

brittle owl
#

it

#

literally doesnt matter

sick sentinel
#

get on my fucking level

strong forum
#

almost same

#

RNG is just not on my side of shoulders

sick sentinel
#

there is only ONE thing that can beat that

strong forum
#

abyssal?

sick sentinel
#

same chest, same shoulders + abyssal

strong forum
#

ye

sick sentinel
#

because you get IV>RP

strong forum
#

kraken has shitty t3 and t4 tho

#

so thats sad

sick sentinel
#

you're sad

strong forum
#

tru

sick sentinel
#

UNSTABLE FLAMES

#

literally the best middle trait

#

for dungeons

strong forum
#

t4 is moment of glory or some shit

#

right

sick sentinel
#

bulwark

strong forum
#

YIKES

sick sentinel
#

it's garbo

#

but still

#

bulwark vs BtH

#

NUKE BTH BTW

strong forum
#

thats such an amazingly useless trait

#

idk why it still exists

#

or use impending victory

#

LAMO

ionic fern
#

LAMO to you too good sir

strong forum
ionic fern
#

Smooth.

sick sentinel
#

finally 65

#

1 more day until rank 3 null

brittle owl
#

just open chests and #pray

sick sentinel
#

no it's rep

#

I need rep

brittle owl
#

oof

sick sentinel
#

1/2 days of rep

#

then I'm there

brittle owl
#

how do you still need rep at this point tho 🤔

sick sentinel
#

I didn't roll tank until 3 weeks into tier and I can't play monday-friday

#

because I work 12 hours

#

and I neglected it because I hang out withfriends

#

off raid

brittle owl
#

oof

#

that'll do it

sick sentinel
#

Still have pretty good logs with no null, 430 trinkets and weapon

#

And no 65 neck

#

But that ends this Thursday vil

ionic fern
#

I'm still at 63 as well..should probably step it up for the last 2 levels.

modern brook
#

I'm 61 and every time i think that i remember 4 is v far away and give up

#

:^)

oblique garnet
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I have 3 at 65🤔

gaunt dawn
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Nerd

clever crater
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My Pawn keeps telling it's a 12% upgrade (I generated stats via simc and raidbots). But is it? I lose 1.90 vers when I equip it. Pawn always leave me in doubt.

ebon hound
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Delet Pawn Pepexecute

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Thank me later

clever crater
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lmao, I'm a newbie, don't have the mindset of the game yet, so I rely on addons unfortunately

gaunt dawn
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Socket > 10 ilvl from a output perspective

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From a survival perspective its close

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Pawn will show you output data for that single point in time the string was generated

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The values on the string change for every single item..therefore it's useless to follow

clever crater
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Damn.

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Thank you guys!

gaunt dawn
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Very quick tldr of gearing from blood in acherus:
if it's higher ilvl on offset pieces, equip it
if it's more than 5 on rings for haste/versa over crit/mastery, equip it
if it's more than 10 and dropping socket on rings, equip it
if it's more than 15 and dropping socket and dropping bis stats on rings, equip it
if it's 15 on azerite equip it

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All the rules apply to prot (unless you dont have triple BoM)

strong forum
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sockets are insanely strong on rings

sick sentinel
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They giant

strong forum
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humongous

shut summit
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Ur humongous

modern brook
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anyone wanna run double prot 2s for C&S later tonight?

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not opposed to triple prot 3s

strong forum
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Pretty sure it's limited to 1 tank per team

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Same as its limited to 1 healer per team

exotic spoke
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What’s up

sand relic
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for m+ tanking is it still 1 DC and then 3 BM or IF

exotic spoke
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Yeah 1 DC, 3 BoM, and pick two isna very strong set up

sand relic
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isna ?

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whats that

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so 1 dc 3 bom n what else

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@exotic spoke

modern brook
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isna == is a with an n instead of a space because of mobile texting

exotic spoke
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Is a*

modern brook
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damn im good

sand relic
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so what else should i add besides 1 dc and 3 BM

exotic spoke
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And you pick two based on what’s available. BfI / IF if you need more defensives and they are both solid

modern brook
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^

exotic spoke
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Some of the other traits can be good that are on specific pieces - such as shifting sands

modern brook
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some generic traits are starting to be better than some Prot traits too, like Meticulous schemeing

exotic spoke
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And bullfango was exactly correct - I’m on mobile

modern brook
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👏

sand relic
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I havent played this toon in a while so im trying to get setup again this is my azerite

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Im trying to find out what to use

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for m+ tanking and occasional raid

modern brook
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IDK the difference in uptime /ppms; but my gut says bleak water > C'thraxxi, taking bom + bbi

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HArbormaster helm: literally anything there

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MetSchem very good, 3rd bom very good, losing if for bfi to get stronger 2nd rings is worth it imo

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chest piece is fine imo

exotic spoke
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Cthraxxi is really good for raids / parsing / dps in raids. because of shifting sands and reckless flurry

modern brook
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Ahhh

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Im assuming he's a fury in raid cause of the fury set marked out

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tbh

exotic spoke
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That’s not a bad set up for now while you get better azerite pieces

modern brook
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^ honestly if you have 1 DC; you're good to tank +10s while you grind 445s