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strong forum
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@vocal canopy yes

sick sentinel
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if I could trade

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I would have to trade to the main tank

strong forum
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I'm surprised you don't have a 445 trinket, or was it higher

sick sentinel
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I have a 455 inkpod

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and a 445 coral

strong forum
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Bonus roll?

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Unluck

vocal canopy
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Bloodsport vs Callous Reprisal ? and how much Deafening Crash is good?

strong forum
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DC is very good for your first one

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That's a very bad choice of traits you have there lemme guess, shoulders, horned horror?

vocal canopy
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we ich go max gs than i have only 1x bastion

sick sentinel
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@vocal canopy CR>BS

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Don't go for more than 1 dc

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@strong forum apparently I have to get a tank trinket to trade tank trinkets

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They upped the loot restriction rules this patch

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It was not a bonus roll, it was a legit boss loot

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RC loot council said I could trade it but I couldn't

strong forum
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thats wild wtf

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didnt know about that one, i knew about the weapon restrictions, but didnt know about trinkets

random juniper
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devastator or booming voice which is best?

inland bolt
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generally booming voice, depends on the content though

random juniper
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m+

inland bolt
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yeah booming voice

random juniper
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ty

limpid pawn
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hey, just curious the cyclotronic blast trinket - this can crit and should be used after i activate razor coral buff right?

random juniper
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whats the best traits for prot cause mallet and icy state two different things

ebon hound
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dont use bloodmallet as a resource, esp for tanks. It only takes dps into account.

calm mango
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what are the best 3 essences for prot now days plz

ebon hound
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The various essences with their strengths and weaknesses are listed in the guide

calm mango
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ty i must have missed it in the faq ty

random juniper
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another question whats the best prot stat caps or prios

brittle owl
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there are no caps

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prio is ilvl>haste>everything else for survival

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for dps you sim

hasty nova
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I personally like VoP major, ageis minor, null minor for m+

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And CoF major, null minor, vop minor for mythic EP

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Unless Iโ€™m tanking adds on orogozoa in which case I use my m+ build

candid path
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gus is correct, although you can do C&S minor instead of aegis minor for M+

onyx vessel
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I cant go cof cuz id for sure rip off my cotank everytime

candid path
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or instead of null if it's a mostly-physical M+ dungeon

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nah, go CoF and Devastator and push the threat table up faster

onyx vessel
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Cant

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Monk tank parses like under 20 every time

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So when i tank i gotta take my time

candid path
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sounds like that guy needs to read the wowhead brewmaster guide, then

onyx vessel
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....

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Trying to zaqul prog h and im not suppost to rip aggro at all

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Rips about 6-7 times

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Just doing my dps rotation

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Hmmmmm

candid path
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zaqul hits monks like a fistful of marshmallows, no reason they can't run crucible and push their ST DPS as hard as they can

onyx vessel
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Nah i went dps

candid path
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guessing they got some bad advice from the school of "tanking means reducing damage!" thought

onyx vessel
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Doing 60k on zaqul is fun then dying cuz ripped off him

candid path
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Ooof.

onyx vessel
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The bdk and he mesh better

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Both care nothing about dps

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What you think for raid vop major null and cof

little sun
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As a Brew main this whole conversation makes me sad.

onyx vessel
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Ooooof

analog swift
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dude monks doing super low dps makes me cringe so hard

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"i'm playing defensively"

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no yo're not

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you suck

little sun
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Sorry about your pain, you ought to tell your BrM he's doing it wrong

analog swift
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^^

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like warrior. ok you're using rage on IP not revenge, holding demo shout a little bit etc. etc.

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prot pally, ok not running seraphim i get it

little sun
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agree

analog swift
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but monks doing low dps are just not hitting their 3 button rotation

little sun
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I question what that brew is actually doing.

analog swift
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the ONLY difference is priotizing keg smash (defensive) vs. black out strike

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which blackout strike is also good defense too for overall mitigation

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i had a brewmaster try to app for my guild "I do low dps because I focus more on playing defensively"

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asked her how she would play her spec offensively

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she had no response

little sun
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big oof

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I bet they ran double defensive trinkets too

analog swift
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so bad

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also monks are the ones that can get away with cyclo the best

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oh noooooo i didn't doge purifies

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playing monk this tier because my guild needed the debuff, and i'm having a blast just having silly parses

little sun
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yep, though i will admit doing keys on my warrior feels better most of the time.

analog swift
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oh yeah

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took me awhile to get used to my monk (had to focus on one for a bit w/ the ap grind)

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but now i enjoy it because your defensive cds feel more valuable

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like on my warrior i'd always cringe hard when i'd run into a triple caster pack in td

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because missed waterblasts would eat my soul, with my monk i'd pop dampen harm and be ok

oblique garnet
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you die just the same on monk as you would on warrior if people are not kicking

sick sentinel
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I took edict in a shrine 19 on physical

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kinda underwhelming idk

strange arch
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hey which essence do you guys pref for raidinf?

sick sentinel
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cof major, vop minor and then it's null or C&S for the second minor

strange arch
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cof = crucible of flames?

warm plinth
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Yerp

sick sentinel
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that's DPS oriented ofc

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you could go like the raid tank essence for defense if you really want to

limpid pawn
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Edict this week is a no no I thought

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Necrotic makes it worthless?

potent anvil
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It doesn't make it worthless, it reduces its effectiveness. You'll still get something out of it, just not as much as you would on non-necrotic weeks.

sick sentinel
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I will try next week as well

outer dew
warm plinth
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rofl

outer dew
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I dont even understand people sometimes

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Lmao

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Man

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Kinda regret not getting mooncake

warm plinth
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The fuck is mooncake

outer dew
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You've never seen one?

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Usually a savory pastry with red bean and salted egg yolk

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Yummy yum

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Was mid autumn festival a couple days ago

warm plinth
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Sounds yummy

outer dew
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Some people go wild for it

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I think I saw some wack ass oreo ones

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๐Ÿ˜‚

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And a Starbucks version too

strong forum
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'murica

warm plinth
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rofl that kid have narcolepsy or something?

outer dew
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Who knows

analog swift
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@oblique garnet logn reply, not really, as warrior you're just leaving up your physical mitigation, pretty much with one spell reflect. whereas on a monk you have dampen harm fort brew and zen med plus expel harm /shrug

warm plinth
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I mean, Dampen Harm and Shield Wall are basically the same thing ๐Ÿค” Except that Dampen Harm can be smaller or larger depending on damage taken, whereas Shield wall is always 40%, albeit slightly shorter duration

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They even have pretty close to the same cooldown after Anger Management.

distant crystal
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i had a mooncake recipe hit my youtube feed the other day

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lotus paste and salted egg yolk

warm plinth
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Are you just making ingredients up at this point

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Lotus paste???

distant crystal
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lotus is a plant, you take the seeds and split them, removing the sprout if there is one

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soak em in water for a long ass time, rinse them, boil them, puree them with oil

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boom lotus paste

warm plinth
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Isn't lotus the plant that started that whole "scared of holes in patterns" or whatever thing?

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The picture of the lotus pod

distant crystal
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yes

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tryptophobia or w/e

warm plinth
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Yeah that's it

oblique garnet
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@analog swift You also have demoshout as warrior on top of spell reflect + shield wall

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  • ip
junior ivy
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i got 8 shiny turtwigs today

sick sentinel
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(not this week but sure)

mint ether
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is azeroth's undying gift just not considered worth taking at all for m+?

sick sentinel
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we take it in sots and in motherlode

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and in kings rest fortified

mint ether
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as a minor or major?

sick sentinel
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major

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minor is garbage

mint ether
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gotcha. thanks

chilly brook
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@sick sentinel I donโ€™t think you have enough absorbs ๐Ÿ™ƒ

sick sentinel
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I need more

chilly brook
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Imagine if blizz actually made an absorb tank

distant crystal
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seems like it'd be balanced on a razor's edge

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either it's awful or super OP

warm plinth
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Sounds like it'd be like a VDH

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OP when it's available; trash when it's down

sick sentinel
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I only put all of them to see which one gets depleted first

hallow phoenix
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Well which one get depleted first?

modest pelican
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Hey guys, was just wondering about your UI set-up. Anyone willing to share theirs?

warm plinth
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Why would you give Kaege a reason to show his nasty UI D:

sick sentinel
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@hallow phoenix RP>the one that was applied first between the other 2

sick sentinel
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I have a real nice one. Vanilla UI

exotic spoke
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Soo.. Freeholds a dead key... FeelsBadMan

oblique garnet
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?

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literally free

undone sun
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it's in the name 4head

oblique garnet
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@exotic spoke explain

exotic spoke
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first boss

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is one shotting dps

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On a 20

warm plinth
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Good shit

exotic spoke
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450-500k damage

distant crystal
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just safeguard them 4head

warm plinth
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And hope they have over 350k HP as a DPS. Ez

distant crystal
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i mean if you're doin 20s

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you prob do :p

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and some vers

warm plinth
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Can you even safeguard the azerite shot target in time?

onyx abyss
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Stam flask/food

distant crystal
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@warm plinth yeah there's a macro that makes it braindead

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/cast [@targetoftarget] Intercept

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or something like that

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just spam it

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can't intercept yourself so as soon as boss targets someone else you safeguard em

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it's intervene tho isn't it ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

warm plinth
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Nah it's Intercept

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But can't blame you; they change it every 3 seconds

fluid beacon
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Hey guys. How do you feel about Undulating Tides in sims? It's simming super high for me. So much so that it wants me to drop my 450 Shoulder with LttE for a 430 with Tides

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And that's with Raidbots having 4 LttE players check marked

warm plinth
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Sims assume you're never going to have the defensive part proc afaik.

distant crystal
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ye

warm plinth
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Which means you never lose the offensive proc for 45 seconds at a time

fluid beacon
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I see

distant crystal
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but it's real good if that happens in practice

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for st dps

fluid beacon
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So for parsing on farm it could be good

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Thanks guys, that helped a lot ๐Ÿ™‚

oblique garnet
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You drop it when you are parsing on farm because the healers are always just dpsing

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Every time

exotic spoke
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first boss Waat - the timer on it is shorter than

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eudora

distant crystal
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yeah guess you need some rng and some ppl that can help themselves

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elusiveness rouges that don't dump energy too bad :p

sick sentinel
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dam how the hell you sim 35k

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lmao

outer dew
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you can switch to 15 second sims

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:^)

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@sick sentinel so when you gonna match pfps with me

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๐Ÿ˜‰

oblique garnet
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@exotic spoke people need to use some sort of defensiveness on each of them and if they dont have defensive up you use safeguard before on that one person

outer dew
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you can also line it

exotic spoke
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On first boss?

outer dew
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oh first boss

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you shouldn't ever get hit

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you have a healer bait

warm plinth
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Yeah that's what he was always talking about was 1st boss

outer dew
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and range stand outside

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then you have rouge run out

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and DH can tank it fine usually

oblique garnet
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What they have to do also as melee dps if you have 2 one of them runs away if they have nothing

outer dew
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first boss kidna gay

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but edora is a pillar jump madness

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or meld

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:^)

oblique garnet
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Eudora doesnt do much tbh

outer dew
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unless you a wheel chair paladin

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and then life is sad

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trying to time the small delay between each shot

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is a wild life

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the grapeshot anyway

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SOMEONE

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SEND HELP

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I FEEL ATTACKED

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why is this ever allowed

sick sentinel
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you eat wings

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WHOLE

outer dew
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when i was younger

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i use to chew on the bones

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lmao

undone sun
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๐Ÿ‘€

outer dew
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thyme

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are you the kinda guy

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that eat wings like that

undone sun
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no

distant crystal
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when you use your tongue to push the meat from between the wing bones

outer dew
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when you rip the cartilage caps on the wings

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๐Ÿ˜‹

exotic spoke
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Tofu

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why you change your pfp

outer dew
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wdym

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and why you don't invite me to keys

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</3

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i thought this pfp was pretty cute tbh

undone sun
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it is

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idr the last one tbh

warm plinth
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Random Asian girl #23

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Was the last one

exotic spoke
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cause I didnt see you on line

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YOU SHOULD MESSAGE ME TOFU

outer dew
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WDYM

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i'm online like

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ERRY DAY

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@warm plinth WTF

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I actually really liked that last one

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that's one of my favorite vietnamese singers

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COME ON MANG

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gotta know which ones I know and don't know

undone sun
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hmmm

outer dew
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well

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thyme I finally got me a stockpot

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went with a 20qt since I only cook for myself

undone sun
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nice

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think we have one around that size

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rarely use it though, mostly for tamales during christmas

outer dew
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the play

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was I was gonna make broth for pho

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or bun bo hue

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๐Ÿคค

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or soup in general

undone sun
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nice

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actually our biggest is quite a bit bigger than 20qt

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remind me tomorrow to look for it

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it's huge

outer dew
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lmao

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i mean the goals

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is always to have a bigger stockpot

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๐Ÿ˜‚

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you can put less in a big stock pot

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can't put more in a small one

undone sun
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yuup

outer dew
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but I'm never gonna be able to out eat 20 qts

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if i'm eating solo

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ooooh, or yeet some cheap tomoatos for sauce

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tbh, there's a lot of things i've wanted to make in bulk or large size

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because a dinky 3 qt pot is gonna not be worth

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sometimes in life, you gotta accept you ugly and boring. So you gotta cook a way into a girls heart

ionic fern
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Date a blind girl to fix the ugly part.

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Also, hi.

outer dew
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WOW

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Mwahil that's toxic

ionic fern
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It's not. ๐Ÿ˜’

outer dew
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can't even be like, clearly you handsome

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gotta feed into my self-depreciation

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):

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tbh

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I don't think I'm a person with enough patience for that

ionic fern
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Okay. Sorry - i am grumpy cause no morning coffe.
Any girl would be lucky to have you Tofu - you're such a keeper with your 20 QT pot!

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No idea what QT is since i took it as 20 cuties but idk..sounds weird.

outer dew
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bless

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thank you Mwahi

autumn pendant
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That wasnt toxic but progressive!

outer dew
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and tbh, I'm not a coffee person

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gotta be lazy and just have cold brewed tea ready

ionic fern
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o.o

undone sun
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just bought a french press

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specifically for cold brews

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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

outer dew
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that's the play

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tbh

ionic fern
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I have so much to google now.

outer dew
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I like cold brews a lot

undone sun
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same

ionic fern
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First..what's QT..2nd what's a french press.

undone sun
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lol

autumn pendant
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Thats like 19 L pot mwahi

outer dew
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look up aeropress too

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those are pretty cool

autumn pendant
undone sun
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good

outer dew
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tbh, been thinking about getting a frenchpress instead of a vietnamese coffee filter

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and it always does

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at least like 2-3 times a week

autumn pendant
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Tbh everytime you 2 speak i get hungry

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Your names dont help

undone sun
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i like to cook

outer dew
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same

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tbh

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Fried Tofu with some scallion oil

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ugh

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that's the way to live

ionic fern
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Why would you fry yourself?

outer dew
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why not, everyone needs a good fry

undone sun
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sun tanning

outer dew
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tbh

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I wanna do this

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LMAO

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a hotpot host spring sounds dope

undone sun
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yeh

outer dew
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like

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legit

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if people took a shower beforehand

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I wouldn't mind eating out of it

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LMAO

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swimming in your food is kind of novel

sick sentinel
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How do people sim 35k as prot

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I'm going to sim 33.5k on reset

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that's with me running 3 Reckless

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:?

autumn pendant
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Big dick gear

ionic fern
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Are you simming with r3 null?

sick sentinel
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Ye

ionic fern
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65 neck?`

sick sentinel
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Yes

ionic fern
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Decent other traits?

outer dew
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suck the RNG gods for sockets

sick sentinel
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yes

ionic fern
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350 wpn?

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Wait

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No.

outer dew
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pepehands

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ˜‚

outer dew
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350 weapons

ionic fern
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450

sick sentinel
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430 socketed zaqul weapon

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so no

ionic fern
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Git gud.

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:D:D

outer dew
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casual

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imagine not having 450 weapon with socket and leech

sick sentinel
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Is that that much of a dps gain

ionic fern
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YOu can try.

undone sun
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leech

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dps

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gain

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pick one

ionic fern
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Change your weapon ilvl to 450

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What trinkets you got?

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Inkpod? Ashvane's?

undone sun
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i feel like all of the questions would be answered with a sim link

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๐Ÿ˜‰

sick sentinel
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Ashvane and Cyclo

ionic fern
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Thyme does have a point

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Tho this "Guess it" game is fun.

undone sun
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lol

sick sentinel
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this is what I will have by reset

undone sun
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you can't fill your quota that way

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smh

sick sentinel
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I mean benthic probably

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coral another issue

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I need something to replace my cyclo

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weapon

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Would that make up for the lost 1.5k?

ionic fern
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Have you tried simming with another helm? Like Soulspun for example?

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BfI/RF, Rezans,OP

sick sentinel
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I'd lose DC

ionic fern
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You want big dick sims or not?

sick sentinel
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I don't have a second DC

ionic fern
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Try it.

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Also, race=Lightforged_draenei - easy 1k DPS increase. ๐Ÿ˜‚

sick sentinel
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wtf why

ionic fern
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Go sim Soulspun and show me.

autumn pendant
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Look at big orange daddy

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Ordering around

sick sentinel
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I am frien

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losing DC isn't that big on ST ?

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500 dps increase lol

ionic fern
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500 increase with Soulspun?

sick sentinel
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ye

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

sick sentinel
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People use t hat in raid?

ionic fern
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People use what they have in raid.

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But yes - Soulspun is good.

sick sentinel
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I guess so

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lmao

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is ink pod big for tank?

ionic fern
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It's big for everyone afaik.

sick sentinel
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compared to cyclo/vs coral I mean

ionic fern
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S i m.

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๐Ÿ˜„

sick sentinel
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That's work Kappa

ionic fern
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Gimme your damn /simc then.

sick sentinel
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it would be fucked

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all my gear is arms rn

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I got it

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445 inkpod is 2.4% upgrade

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Poggers

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

sick sentinel
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430 is 1%

ionic fern
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Anyways, it's the little things that add up eventually. Also - are you sure haste is your highest simming enchant? Mb crit pulls ahead?

sick sentinel
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Well I do haste because I'm simming higher on AoE with it

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and I was doing it more for M+

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I could switch it too crit I guess

ionic fern
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๐Ÿคท
So what you got so far is : inkpod,Soulspun.

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Try it with a 445 wpn

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And different enchants.

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And you'll be close to 35k

sick sentinel
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Right now with inkpod being 445

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coral 445

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soulspun

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not counting enchantments and weapon

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35.5k

ionic fern
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Ez.

sick sentinel
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but I probably won't get soulspun because I'm rolling for shoulders

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kraken

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for now

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So probably a round 34.95k ish

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so 445 coral and ink

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basically all I need

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then I'll be around 34.9k

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giant

acoustic pawn
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Hello! Who will advise how to squeeze the DPS from the tank in the raid as much as possible? I'm interested in traits and stats for them. Mb who leaves simcraft damage would be interesting. Interested in above 35k

ionic fern
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Are we talking sim damage or actual in game damage?

sick sentinel
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Didn't we just go through that

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oh ye you right

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@ionic fern

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no soul head

ionic fern
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Stronk.

sick sentinel
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Giant stronk

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Me do big ook ook damage

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ME STRONK

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and those pieces also have 3 BoM

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with MS

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For AoE

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ME

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STRONK

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GIVE ME LUCK STRONKER BOI MWAHI FOR ASHVANE AND ORG

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If I have ink pod and coral, do I just always no matter what save stacks on coral for ink pod?

ionic fern
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Unless it's some stupid timers you can play around that jeah

sick sentinel
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Ok

ionic fern
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Also, good luck getting Inkpod/coral.

sick sentinel
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that makes it so much easier

ionic fern
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All the DPS'ers will be priority.

sick sentinel
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top parses incoming ColossusSmash

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ˜‚

sick sentinel
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I know

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I'll roll em

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Hmm

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Getting full benthic to 425 with socket

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replacing my other ones

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only a 700 dps increase

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lower than I thought

ionic fern
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Still something.
As i said before..everything piles up at the end.

sick sentinel
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hmm

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what's the fastest way to get pearls

ionic fern
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Not sure - i don't stress overly about it..all my benthic is still 420.

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๐Ÿ˜‚

sick sentinel
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I don't do nazj at all

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lol

ionic fern
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Someone has surely made a guide about it.

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Gotta google.

brittle owl
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aside from dailies/wq's theres 3 summonable rares with items (chum, pickaxe, seeds), mardivas's lab once a week, lost algan mobs drop pearls as well, and theres also the big untargettable tree giants that can be activated with certain conditions

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without the tree giants you can get around 25-35/day excluding mardivas that's once a week

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also check murloc trader for the pearl item (gives 7 iirc)

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it's on the hidden list so you need the cloak

strong forum
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here im sitting comfy on 0 benthics

sick sentinel
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@brittle owl how long does that usually take

brittle owl
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idk i don't really time myself

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could do it in 30 mins if you giga efficient i think

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without the giant trees activation

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that takes a boatload of time

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biggest time waster is the pickaxe rare if your rng sucks on the stones

sick sentinel
#

@outer dew not doing that shit again

outer dew
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@sick sentinel wdym, I got the perfect one for us

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Very cute

sick sentinel
#

If you saw the responses I got when I changed pfp you'd understand why I went back to my normal one lmao

brittle owl
#

but

#

y care

#

?

undone sun
#

people went off on me when i changed my avatar

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i now know to not c hange

brittle owl
#

smh

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giving in to peer pressure

#

my head

undone sun
#

yuuup

brittle owl
#

even @ionic fern has the same pfp, but with more hair

ionic fern
#

๐Ÿ‘Œ

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The thing is to do subtle changes step by step in profile picture

#

๐Ÿ˜‚

brittle owl
#

it's like you're trying to be the EU asmongold tho

undone sun
#

when i have nitro i make mine spin

ionic fern
#

Asmongold's trying to be me.

brittle owl
#

:o

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i'd do a whammy if i were you thyme and change my pfp to plank

undone sun
#

๐Ÿคฃ

outer dew
#

Lmao

sick sentinel
#

Making yours spin was amazing thyme

outer dew
#

It's because you a bitch

#

Just change your pfp constantly

#

No flack

brittle owl
#

changing pfp constantly indicates lack of control over your life doe

outer dew
#

Except I had a guy complain that my pfp are more

sick sentinel
#

Especially because the first time I saw yours spin, it was when you wrote "smh my head" and it was perfect

outer dew
#

"Wholesome"

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Wdym

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You dont go

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That's a cute picture

strong forum
#

Yes very subtle changes in pfp are the way.

outer dew
#

That's a cute one

strong forum
#

R-right

undone sun
#

not like it really matters to me, i don't see avatars

outer dew
#

Tbh

undone sun
#

unless i go out of my way and click on your name

strong forum
#

How very PC of you

outer dew
#

I want thyme to actually use thyme

brittle owl
#

how very 2003

outer dew
#

Or use a clock

#

Big brain

strong forum
#

Seems like he didn't get my joke then :(

outer dew
#

Clock for pfp

strong forum
#

Now I are sad many time

undone sun
#

@outer dew

outer dew
#

Perfection

brittle owl
#

:o

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leaf thyme alone

outer dew
#

That's the play

sick sentinel
#

Lmao

outer dew
#

Sometime you need change

#

Finally changes my wallpaper

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After like a year

#

Smh

brittle owl
#

i still havethe pluto one

#

that came by default

#

its too cool

outer dew
#

Tbh

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I want drawings of food brought to life

brittle owl
#

what like anime fruit or

#

lasagna slowly turning back into a cow

outer dew
#

Probably anime fruit

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But the second one would probably cost more to draw

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Or well

#

I'd probably pay more for it

brittle owl
#

the second one would be 1000% more metal

outer dew
#

Itd be the centerpiece

void berry
#

Yay ! QC down last night and got the trinket ๐Ÿฅ‚

#

Now to be a soak bitch on Za'Qul :yay:

gaunt dawn
#

Tanking with a monk?

void berry
#

Yup

gaunt dawn
#

Makes sense

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Have fun add tanking

void berry
#

Taunt > throw throw throw > taunt. Big gameplay

remote vale
#

Seen a couple of tanks with 1m hp now because of that minor essence or something, cant remember which one it is, but is more hp something noteworthy for prot, in some dungeons?

ebon hound
#

Anima of life or something. Not really, nothing scales with having more health besides the essence itself.

strong forum
#

1mil hp?

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Haven't seen a single one above 700k

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How the fuck do you see 1mil

ebon hound
#

mastery stacking bears in warmode with Den Mother pvp talent I'm guessing

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I havent seen one either but I guess it's possible

ember plinth
#

Yeah, ~700k is the max prot warrior current. But that requires indom talent and anima essence

sick sentinel
#

Dh during meta

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And anime

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Can reach 1m

brittle owl
#

dk's dh's and bears can all pass 1 mil hp in certain scenarios with anime

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but having more hp is more often than not a hindrance, especially for a class that has 0 self heals

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excluding bears, since mastery stacking is a thing

sick sentinel
#

For warriors it's kind of a hindrance, you'd rather mitigate more

brittle owl
#

and for dk's, cuz, yknow, dk in 8.2

flat jackal
#

What makes bloodthirsty urchin good? The healing seems low to make a big difference

sick sentinel
#

It's more HPS than any other tank trinket

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More than a diamond, more than an edict

fossil forum
#

healing on it can crit also

flat jackal
#

Is the rate of healing affected by haste as well?

fossil forum
#

no

brittle owl
#

"good" is a matter of debate tho

fossil forum
#

if it doesn't crit, and you have stupid haste/vers diamond can still out heal it but its a decent trinket when taking constant dmg

strong forum
#

Urchin is over 4k hps in a high dmg environment

sand egret
#

@flat jackal itโ€™s also a) a smart heal and b) not a shield (so works better with our mitigation)

strong forum
#

And the crits are juicy

flat jackal
#

What do you mean by point b? Do shields and mitigation work differently?

undone sun
sick sentinel
#

@sand egret did you see my thicc absorbs?

brittle owl
#

there is literally no situation where a heal is better than an absorb regardless of the type of mitigation

sick sentinel
#

Taking damage and mitigating means our ip is working

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If it's absorbed then our ip doesn't

sand egret
#

against high rates of damage it smoothes damage out better. ticking shields just get gobbled in front of IP, while the heal itself is being applied after it goes through IP.

#

as well as urchin provides ~ 3.3k hps at 430 while a DLRP provides ~ 2k hps at the dame ilvl, which is very hard to get

strong forum
#

my diamond is 2.5k hps

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at 415

#

tbh

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cuz of haste levels

sick sentinel
#

Yeah but

#

You have like 2.2k haste

sand egret
#

one thing I haven't actually looked at yet is if the tick rate of Urchin also scales with haste

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(as DLRP does, but isn't documented)

#

that would put my calcs higher, but yeah I wasn't accounting for haste

strong forum
#

1.6k

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please

#

no urchin doesnt

#

its always 3sec interval

warm plinth
#

You're always a 3 sec interval

exotic spoke
#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

Can we get rid of tyrannical?

#

Pretty please

sand egret
#

wym compounding scaling is f.u.n.

exotic spoke
#

I love one shot mechanics

#

Unavoidable one shot

marsh yacht
#

and necrotic

junior ivy
#

Hi

exotic spoke
#

Necrotic is fine. I like necrotic. Itโ€™s basically a non-affix

#

Hi catfriend

marsh yacht
#

sucks as bdk

exotic spoke
#

I mean - sounds like a BDK problem imo

autumn pendant
#

@exotic spoke did you play in legion?

exotic spoke
#

Yes

autumn pendant
#

Member HoV and MoS?

#

On tyranical?

#

Hehehe

exotic spoke
#

Mostly did carries instead of pushing. Didnโ€™t see a point on pushing when o could sell a key for 250k

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MOS wasnโ€™t bad but I didnโ€™t push like I do now. 18-20s was were I maxed out. Having more options to cycle through was very nice

brittle owl
#

i really hope they add mechagon m+

sand egret
#

Hitting the ceiling always feels bad, but just remember that means you're also pretty tall, Riki ๐Ÿ™‚

autumn pendant
#

Awww

exotic spoke
#

True blade true. Thatโ€™s a good way to put it

autumn pendant
#

Mcight be that you live in hobbit's house though

#

๐Ÿ‘€

sand egret
#

means you're tall for a hobbit

#

M+ will always have this problem as long as they scale keys in the way that they do. Here's to hoping they'll go all in next expac and have a more robust scaling system (that isn't just "does X more damage until it is just a binary mechanic")

#

it's a huge ask, but honestly it'd prob add more legs to the game than another raid boss or two, imho.

exotic spoke
#

Only 1 FH22 Timed 8 fh21 and 70 ish 20s on tyrannical

We have it our best - but it was not for our group to get in there this week

sand egret
#

ooo I forgot to mention that I finally got back on my warrior this weekend

#

boy is block stupid

exotic spoke
#

Isnโ€™t it?!

sand egret
#

very.

#

i did a +14 on my 417 warrior and honestly was prob mitigating as much damage as my bear lol

exotic spoke
#

Imagine what itโ€™s like with a good shield

sand egret
#

damage intake was shockingly smooth

#

yeah i have a 410 lol

#

๐Ÿ˜ฌ

#

400 weapon made me sad

exotic spoke
#

Still canโ€™t get a 445 weapon.

sand egret
#

I will say, Avatar makes aggro such a non-issue that it's a joke. I miss having a DPS cooldown and fuck does VoP make that feel fresh

sick sentinel
#

one of our raid tanks has a guardian alt and he's always like

#

"incarn proc let's goooooooooo"

sand egret
#

when that shit procs in a pack its greeeat lol

#

I just wish it didnt blow as much as a talent

sick sentinel
#

yeah but if you don't talent into it don't you lose the minor part of the essence

sand egret
#

nope

#

bears are two different things

#

major is incarn, minor is SI

exotic spoke
#

Wait - seriously?

#

Thatโ€™s odd

sand egret
#

yeah

#

same with monks

sick sentinel
#

weird

sand egret
#

major procs the talent, but minor gives CDR for Si

sick sentinel
#

but also cool

#

I like that

sand egret
#

mostly because getting 2 seconds of SI as the major proc....blows

#

WOOO MITIGAโ€” oh the mobs are dead

#

โ€œoh the boss is castingโ€, etc. lol

exotic spoke
#

Thatโ€™s fair

sand egret
#

the irony is that due to EW (bearโ€™s talent to get Block) and Thrashโ€™s interaction, Incarn procs are actually a defensive boost that prob matches/surpasses the previous iteration lol

analog swift
#

I was listening to titanforged podcast the other day, and a really good suggestion was to have damage and health scale differently

#

Have like health continue scaling the way it does and then have damage scale just a little bit less

sand egret
#

oh for M+?

#

yeah, that'd be the a low-budget way. One issue with that (that you see in many other games) is that you get "bullet-sponges". Yazma already feels like that lol

analog swift
#

yeah true

sand egret
#

which, to be fair, isn't all bad

analog swift
#

tbh i also think tyrannical/fort should just go away

#

super un interesting affixes

sand egret
#

because unlike other games, this game has granularity in how one applies their dps

analog swift
#

just cut em both in half and apply both of them or something

#

i've started to hate tyrannical weeks because holy fuck the bosses take SO long

#

also interesting would be ot have fort/tyr not affect damage, the dungeon already scales those

sand egret
#

Yeah, personally, I want to see a ratchet effect happen at +15 dungeons (or where ever the "bar" is set, but +15 is for the achieve). Specifically, the actual dungeons/encounters get a new mechanic or something (with a higher reward payout, equal to Mythic raid gear).

analog swift
#

M++

sand egret
#

hah, yeah basically

#

or a mythic, mythic plus

#

๐Ÿ˜„

analog swift
#

have a fourth affix for 15+ actually would make a ton of sense

sand egret
#

i want the affix to be dungeon-specific though imho

analog swift
#

well the affix could be "bosses and mobs gain new abilities" or w/e

#

call the affix "challenger"

#

could be small but soemthing like first boss TD summons twice as many mosquitos or w/e

#

heart stopper ticks faster

brittle owl
#

having boss abilities be more dangerous is almost the same as just giving a flat dmg increase

#

it's just discretionary, but in the end, same

sand egret
#

i disagree

brittle owl
#

new abilities would be cool, but i don't see how you'd implement that properly

sand egret
#

take the case that started it, Kragg

#

thereโ€™s a huge difference between 1-shots and Double Tap: Kragg fires a second shot at the last target shot for 50% damage.

brittle owl
#

myeah i guess

#

but idk, that feels more like a bandaid

#

more complex/different affixes are needed tbh

#

and not just affixes that hinder

sand egret
#

i mean, its the opposite of a bandaid

brittle owl
#

risk/reward ones would be cool

sand egret
#

yeah, kiss/curse ideas are sweeeet

brittle owl
#

too bad the community would hate them

#

/cri

sand egret
#

like you now have to manually activate the good brews in the fight and thereโ€™s a bunch of bad brews that rain during a toss

#

captain fight in FH*

brittle owl
#

there's a lot of shit they could do

sand egret
#

yeah of course, question is if its worth the investment vs say, another raid boss

brittle owl
#

it's defo worth it and they're separate teams i think

#

i don't think they cannibalize eachother on dev time

sand egret
#

def does

#

maybe not directly, but thereโ€™s always that cost. An encounter designer is the same regardless of the team.

brittle owl
#

๐Ÿคท

sand egret
#

just depends on how they wanna staff that team

brittle owl
#

yeah

#

there's a lot of depends tho ๐Ÿ˜‚

sand egret
#

yeah, for sure. I'd be surprised if they don't go more into M+ next expac in a more "official" manner. Like, I'd bet money they try their own "r.io" system in-game.

limpid pawn
#

So we are struggling on mythic orgozoa

#

How much did I fuck up, how much did the other tank fuck up?

#

First night of prog, but it looks ugly

strong forum
#

you need to focus more on boss dmg, at 4min you should be around 40%

frosty holly
#

Is there a limit to the number of V rushes i can get during 1 combat session? All my friends died on 19 underrot last boss and i nearly killed the boss. But suddenly the spores stopped giving V rush

sand egret
#

There should be no limit....at least this is certainly the first I've heard of such a thing

frosty holly
#

It kinda sucked 91 energy then they all stopped giving victory rush

hasty nova
#

@exotic spoke lmao i feel ur pain bro. i'm still sitting at 430 1h and 430 shield

#

it's actually ridiculous at this point. especially with 8 kills on abyssal commander and 7 kills on radiance of azshara

#

EVERY kill on Radiance has bonus rolled

#

and most kills bonus on abyssal

#

it makes my stomach hurt thinking about it lol

#

@frosty holly never heard of that either, perhaps there is some sort of DR on the ability but that is a unique situation i suppose.

#

i know that i have heroic throw killed a LOT of them in every key i do

#

i wanta say it feels like 20 but it's probably more like 10 a pull

#

@analog swift Thats crazy man, Tyr weeks have always been my favorite and the best time to push. Sometimes I wonder ( i have not done the necessary math) if the health bosses gain on tyr weeks is less than the total amount of health adds gain on fort weeks. Which is why I always seem to time tyr weeks easier than fort weeks.

frosty holly
#

Hmm ye. was just so strange worked for like solid 2 mins

#

Then it stopped

analog swift
#

@hasty nova i've found that Tyr are better for pushing timewise for dungeons, however in terms of timed/depleted ratio i'd bet that fort wins compared to tyr esp now that the scaling is getting crazy.

But yeah lets say trash makes up 75% of the time in a dungeon. Increasing their health by 20% is effectively 15% more health through the dungeon.

Whereas lets say bosses take 25%, you've only increased 5% of the total health you have to fight throughout the dungeon

hasty nova
#

Yeah a lot of wonky things start happening when the scale gets to 19,20,21's. I actually got halfway through a 22 once, but we could not kill boss 2 of sots tyr.

sick sentinel
#

Funny how the meta swapped considering in Legion, Tyran weeks were aids

hasty nova
#

so i will say that is one thign fort has in it's favor

#

u can actually complete the dungeon

#

some weeks on tyr if ur group isn't the right comp or playing sync'ly enough.... you just can't get through a boss lmao

outer dew
#

Tyrannical keys are never easy once you push high

#

Mechanical start one shotting

glad sparrow
#

@frosty holly 100% you stop proccing VR after a while

frosty holly
#

Cheers Ticks

glad sparrow
#

Had the same scenario it does seem to proc again after a bit but not on every spore

frosty holly
#

Survived for about maybe 30 sec after they stopped because i had all cds. Never started again ๐Ÿ’” but we did kill it pull after so whatever ๐Ÿ˜›

glad sparrow
#

Yeah I was barely able to solo it after every one died. Probably for the best we cant infinite VR. Even for the duration it lasts is pretty OP

warm plinth
#

That's odd. Never had that happen and I don't want to talk about the number of times I've soloed Dresaron using VR in Legion lol.

hushed cobalt
#

Last boss underrot is that way. Dip low? Throw a hammer at a balloon.

warm plinth
#

Yeah think that's the one he was talking about

#

But he said VR stopped proccing after a bit

ivory barn
#

would best stats for the crafted legs be haste>vers?

glad sparrow
#

Perhaps is less about it not proccing due to duration but perhaps the amount of procs within a certain time. Though you'd be virtually unkillable if it kept procing

sick sentinel
#

haste>vers for raiding but Haste>crit for mplus

#

but I would keep any legs with haste on them

strong forum
ivory barn
#

im throwing the mastery one away lol

strong forum
#

grats i guess

ivory barn
#

i had multiple thousand Osmenite Ore to use ๐Ÿ™‚

strong forum
#

i literally bought like 40k osmenite

#

to craft JC ring....

ivory barn
#

i farm all mine lol

strong forum
#

imagine playing the game

#

and doing professions unironically

ivory barn
#

Imagine having no gold, and doing it yoself ๐Ÿค”

strong forum
#

just buy tokens

#

thats what i do

sick sentinel
#

I just boost HC once a week lmao

strong forum
#

literally cant be arsed to play the game

#

its so tedious

#

nothing is fun besides slamming people in arena

sick sentinel
#

don't play the game then

#

NAH

#

this is what we talking about

#

That's a big fucking cloak

#

Giant clock

#

cloak8

#

Crit vers for that giant CoF boost

#

๐Ÿคง

#

I did hc today and I forgot to use benthic on first 3 bosses

#

Feels GooD

#

But I used on others

#

Also I forgot my aberration belt on for aszhara

acoustic pawn
#

hi guys what best zaqul weapon 430 or else 445?

#

is zaqul axe worth 15ilvl?

sick sentinel
#

No

#

they are probably worth =

#

No

#

but ilvl is better

#

sim wise

#

Even in the occasion that zaqul sims higher, you don't use it in queens court or mplus

#

But still, ilvl on weapons is super important

#

Probably should let me finish my thought lol

#

Ughm

#

lol

junior ivy
#

hi

ivory barn
junior ivy
#

hows wow classic guys

strong forum
#

Use th ring over the non haste ring @ivory barn

#

A ring without haste is incredibly bad imo

ivory barn
#

ok ty

analog swift
#

@ivory barn wait

#

hold the fuck on

#

is that fucking BLUE?

ivory barn
#

420 blue yes

analog swift
#

from

#

a standard heroic dungeon

random urchin
#

Big titanforge

ivory barn
#

yes

sick sentinel
#

How hard does azshara uck as prot without having edicts

chilly brook
#

@ivory barn youโ€™d be fine dropping haste on a ring if you get more stats, nothing has really changed on that front some people have personal preference to not do so but youโ€™re not going to be any worse off for doing it

ivory barn
#

^W/o the 5 stack of ITF

#

I found a 430 version of that 420 ring in my bags lol

ivory barn
#

how does the azerite scale down work? from the neck% or the azerite required to level it?

limpid pawn
#

hey, which traits are the best for the c'thraxxi binders pauldrons

#

for single target PUMP

chilly brook
#

If you're just trying to pump there is a thing called a sim ๐Ÿ™ƒ

neat lagoon
#

If I had a nickel for every time...

chilly brook
#

For every time what

warm plinth
#

@ivory barn If you're referring to the artifact knowledge, it's 30% reduction in cost per level. However, when the new week hits, your current progress is adjusted to be at the same percentage of the level that you were before the new level of artifact knowledge hit (e.g. if Monday I was at 30% of the way through 57, then on Tuesday after reset I will still be at 30% of the way through 57, but I'll have less AP to go). So if you have AP quests or missions that you can turn in after the week starts, you should do so because you'll get more progress out of the same amount of AP that way.

ivory barn
#

THANK YOU

#

whops caps

warm plinth
#

@oblique garnet My warrior isn't geared enough yet okay?!

oblique garnet
#

?

#

What

warm plinth
#

Also I need to actually look at chat more ๐Ÿค”

exotic spoke
#

Wonder what shit we deal with next week

warm plinth
#

Teem/quake/fort

exotic spoke
#

Thatโ€™s your prediction or has it been determined?

warm plinth
#

My prediction, but I'm right

exotic spoke
#

Wait! I though they said they didnโ€™t want teeming fort

warm plinth
#

Either I'm right or they're only gonna have one of either teeming or quaking this season

exotic spoke
#

Ps - WTF happened in MPF earlier

warm plinth
#

dbags raiding

exotic spoke
#

Dbags gonna dbag

coral jasper
#

How good is the compendium for prot in M+ ?

brittle owl
#

meh

#

if you don't have anything else, sure

#

otherwise just use virtually anything at similar ilvl

ionic fern
autumn pendant
#

Leeeeeeech

ionic fern
#

Go back to 2handers.

autumn pendant
#

I play all 3 specs

#

Leave me alone

#

๐Ÿ˜ก

ionic fern
#

Never.

oblique garnet
#

๐Ÿš”

undone sun
#

๐Ÿ‘ฎ

ionic fern
#

๐Ÿš“

gaunt dawn
#

๐Ÿš”

ionic fern
#

๐Ÿฉ
Fits in police theme

undone sun
#

๐Ÿ–

#

oops

autumn pendant
oblique garnet
strong forum
toxic parrot
#

Hi guys, does bolster block increase damage from the Shield slam?

ebon hound
#

No

toxic parrot
#

thank you

sudden kayak
#

what does pepe mean

warm plinth
#

Depends on the context. There's a bird pet or something like that in-game named Pepe. It's also the character in these emotes Pepexecute peepostudy

#

Just want everyone to know that I hope I'm wrong about what affixes we're gonna have in 50 minutes.

sudden kayak
#

dam everyones young i been playing since 2004 when i was 15 now im 31 everyone left to choose a career but im still playing

sweet summit
#

I hope you are wrong as wellpepsihands

random urchin
#

Isnโ€™t it a fort, grievous this week?

autumn pendant
#

for teeming prob

random urchin
#

If so, bleh

warm plinth
#

No, my guess is Teeming/Quaking/Fort

autumn pendant
#

this

warm plinth
#

Because we've only had 1 teeming week and 1 quaking week

random urchin
#

Fair enough

warm plinth
#

And this is the last week of the rotation

#

Or 2nd to last

#

Whichever

#

Can't remember

sweet summit
#

2nd to last

warm plinth
#

2nd to last

sweet summit
#

We get tyr-burst-skit after this right?

warm plinth
#

So I guess they could do Teem/Quake/Tyr next week

sweet summit
#

Oh

warm plinth
#

Might be burst/skittish this week if that's the case

exotic spoke
#

Iโ€™d prefer that o think

#

I kind of want to do more prot pvp now

warm plinth
#

Burst/skittish should be pretty good

onyx vessel
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Skittish is a joke as long as the idiot dps dont go memebeam instantly

warm plinth
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Fuck guys, I was right. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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With tides week, fucking RIP

onyx vessel
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Is that bad?

warm plinth
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Teeming/Quaking/Fortified with tides sounds pretty fuckin bad to me

onyx vessel
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Just need a good healer and big dick deeps

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I guess for doing high keys

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Ez for 10s

lethal plaza
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oh lordy

sweet summit
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Shit

buoyant tide
warm plinth
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Wanna be made to feel better Yr?

buoyant tide
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please

warm plinth
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Though I did get a 440 bandages last week or the week before on my alliance warrior, so I feel like this makes up for it.

buoyant tide
sand egret
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Is it seriously fort/teeming/quaking on a tides week?

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jfc

warm plinth
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Yeah

lethal plaza
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I thought they were working on balancing this season. Seems the same. Some easy weeks, some insane weeks.

warm plinth
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Look at this trash pack though

strong forum
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Weeks are defo way more balanced

warm plinth
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Should be fun to do Temple this week ๐Ÿ˜„

strong forum
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But not ideal

pseudo spindle
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Hi guys ๐Ÿ™‚ have a question, what is the best way to use cyclotronic blast as prot warrior ?

warm plinth
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Outside of Avatar

strong forum
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With crit procs if you have

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When not actively tanking

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Outside of avatar

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On CD

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That's the 4 things

warm plinth
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Wars with big balls use it while actively tanking, don't listen to him ๐Ÿ˜ (just kidding, don't do that)

strong forum
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I do that on ashvane

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But she has literal 500 years swing timer

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So if you time it good you'll only get hit once

warm plinth
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It's said that when her next swing occurs, the world will end

pseudo spindle
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haha allright ๐Ÿ™‚

exotic spoke
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RIP temple keys this week

sick sentinel
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Has anyone played around with "Razdunks Big Red Button"? Just got a 455 from chest.

warm plinth
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It's not great, but at that ilevel it could be better than what you have

sick sentinel
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Im not sure if it will be better than a 430 Urchin or Edict. My other slot is a 450 rezans with a socket

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

warm plinth
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I mean, if you aren't doing content that requires a defensive trinket, I'd use it

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Also fuck you and your Rezan's

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๐Ÿ˜ญ

sick sentinel
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โค

sand egret
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I finally have a cache for my warrior

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question is: do i open in prot...

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my shield sucks....but borepods....

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๐Ÿค”

warm plinth
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Do you need a shield or weapon?

exotic spoke
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Do it blade -open in prot

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His shield sucks