I can't
#protection
sand egret
lol i mean they're not the same but yeah
sand egret
guess the attention span of the kiddos these days would make it hard
strong forum
I don't think I'm considered a kid anymore, starting to realize that people younger than me exist
Which is weird
sand egret
always a fun revelation lol
strong forum
It's baffling to be starting to be one of the older guild mates
Like half the guild is 19-21... Fucking weird
sand egret
wow is really wonderful like that, in that it's 15 years strong and I legit was a kid when I started
exotic spoke
Was 17 when it came out.
strong forum
I started when I was 12
In tbc
And now we have fucking zoomers in the guild that started in Legion or bfa even...
Shits wack
sand egret
haha I feel that way about WotLK babies š
fickle urchin
exotic spoke
TBC -> early Cata golden years of WoW for me
Started day one though
strong forum
Like im so used to always being the youngest one
Cuz I always hang out with people 3 years older than me, almost never same age
sand egret
I think Cata was a big expac for me, feelings wise. WotLK was extra memorable since that was when I was living in EU trying to raid on NA times lol
strong forum
But now that's not as much of a thing anymore
sand egret
but i'll always remember vanilla and the wonder of that
strong forum
Tbc was when I had most fun cuz everything is new, wotlk most memorable and cata/mop best pvp
warm plinth
Are you a baby Nome?
warm plinth
Whew
warped patrol
Is it better to use 440 Mchimba's ritual bandages or get 430 edicts of the faithless from heroic raid?
M+ scenario
warped patrol
okay
stiff bear
What essences you guys use now that its necrotic? š
bronze lantern
visions major is still bis, communicate with your team for a ring, slows, vortex, typhoon etc
you also have intervene to charge your ranged/healer + leap to kite
exotic spoke
VoP, aegis, and if I had CnS rank 3 Iād use that. But using Lucid
bronze lantern
sphere minor is also really good
bronze lantern
haste is just solid
exotic spoke
And I donāt think I need the slow from it
I mean - it is. But other stats are good too
Personally having a little extra damage mitigation for magic damage is desirable to me
warm plinth
I wouldn't say Vision major is BiS. Vision in general is though.
Like you want it somewhere in the configuration
outer dew
@warm plinth you wanna be a mobile gamer with me :^)
@exotic spoke you too, obv mobile idle games are the play
exotic spoke
I donāt have time for that. Then I canāt troll different discord servers at work
exotic spoke
Also tofu - itās not good for my addictive personality
junior ivy
also ive been addicted to trivia crack lately
warm plinth
It's an idle game; how tf do you not have time for it?
exotic spoke
No ghash... I wonāt have time to troll discordās / reddit at work
Thatās what Iām saying
warm plinth
Gotcha lol
exotic spoke
Priorities man
outer dew
Wdym
It's just gonna be me complaining
@junior ivy site catfriend, you play with me no
Np
Right?
4 man co-op idle games
And its idle game riki, literally only thing have to do is spend like 5 minutes now and then upgrading while I press a button for us to prog
exotic spoke
Thatās five fewer minutes I have trolling
exotic spoke
You could have been there yesterday... but you abandoned me last night
exotic spoke
You never messaged me and told me you couldnāt do it earlier in the week š¦
exotic spoke
You were supposed to do heroic raid at 830 eastern with me and you said you couldnāt like Monday or Tuesday
exotic spoke
Yeah. You abandoned me š¦
exotic spoke
Mythic ashvane dies tonight and then Gorgonzola progression
outer dew
Abandoned
exotic spoke
I have a commitment to my raid team that Iāve had since before we met bb
exotic spoke
outer dew
I miss alt +qq
lusty grotto
did someone summon me
warm plinth
It was me Nimclassic
exotic spoke
Hi Nimchip.
lusty grotto
š¢
warm plinth
^
sand egret
suuuuure š
lusty grotto
as soon as my friends hit 60 and be like "fuck we need 20 more people to raid again"
honestly though like everyone i knew from S2 stopped answering my whispers long before classic was out
so i kinda got fed up with trying to look for people to push keys
sand egret
wow @modern brook that's rood
exotic spoke
Iām here for you Nim
sand egret
like the Friends theme song
lusty grotto
and to be fair the only reason im playing is because my old sold out friends are playing
modern brook
so we can all play together
lusty grotto
so its cool to progress again with them
sand egret
well why dont you get them back in stock?
lusty grotto
but they'll be done soon since borderlands comes out tomorrow
lusty grotto
and if not by borderlands... raiding
sand egret
hold up.
exotic spoke
Why is it bad?
sand egret
you're not insinuating what I think you are...
sand egret
smh
modern brook
also its acronym == boys love
modern brook
Which is annoying cause i search BL and I cant find my BL novels š
sand egret
blasted lands
exotic spoke
Thatās like your opinion Bull (the grating tune)
Iāll probably pick it up and play through it a bit - but not do the whole loot grind thing
sand egret
well the part about BL that is unique is that it isn't really a loot "grind" per se
sand egret
didn't even get to 2? pssssh
lusty grotto
same reason i didnt pick up the division
sand egret
totes different
lusty grotto
i played the first division, "finished" it
twin brook
Had much more fun with BL 2 than with 1
lusty grotto
more similar than different when the whole aspect of the game is fucking going for rainbow colored loot and its not an mmo
at least thats the way i see it
so š¤·
sand egret
tbh it kinda is an MMO in its current state lol
lusty grotto
you mean destiny?
sand egret
but yeah, i mean cutting a game down to "collecting loot" does qualify it as such
lusty grotto
err sorry division
sand egret
oh BL
lusty grotto
ah
exotic spoke
Itās the ridiculousness of BL world thatās amusing to me. How over the top and exaggerated it is
sand egret
claptrap is BIS
exotic spoke
Tiny Tina and explosives are BIS
sand egret
lol i mean it isn't "self-aware for the sake of self-awareness"
modern brook
š¬
modern brook
IDK man
exotic spoke
itās not everyoneās cup of tea and thatās fine
I donāt expect Iāll play it any where near as much as my friends
But Iāll play through a couple times
And enjoy it.
lusty grotto
i think it boils down to... "playing to acquire loot" versus "playing to beat encounters" for me. Where i like the latter, and other people like the former.
modern brook
š¤·
lusty grotto
and while BL and Division has pockets of the last one...
sand egret
some would argue that's how you beat encounters in many games.
modern brook
Maybe im too edgy teenager fun is for the weak to really enjoy the humor
but I remember playing 2 and every character was super 1 dimensional and just bieng wacky for the sake of a punchline
'cept Jack
exotic spoke
Blade - I think the distinction is:
Loot is a tool to beat content
Versus
Loot is the reward from beating content
modern brook
I'll concede handsome jack was a good villain
sand egret
which, what i'm saying, is the same thing
modern brook
nah they're different imo
sand egret
naw, because taht's only a slice
modern brook
Like if Loot is a tool to beat content, I'd be inclinded to do many keys and push as high as i can
sand egret
loot is a tool to beat content which you get loot from to beat the next content
modern brook
where as if its the reward, theres literally never a reason to anything besides a 10 a week
(using wow as an exmaple)
sand egret
which is literally WoW in a nuntshell
exotic spoke
The goal is different Blade. I think if you look at the population of say M+ you can get both attitudes
modern brook
^
exotic spoke
I do M+ to push content. Iām not concerned if I get loot from it or donāt.
Other people do m+ purely for the loot
sand egret
if M+ had gear templates i'd say i'd agree
exotic spoke
And they stop at 10/11s because there isnāt a reason for them to do higher
modern brook
If it had gear templates I tihnk it'd be more obvious
modern brook
But i dont think u need a dev to be like THIS IS THE THING HERE IT IS IT for it to be interpreted or played a certain way
exotic spoke
Blade Iām specifically referring to how people view the specific thing
sand egret
but we're talking about the difference between games
but yes, from a perspective thing I feel ya
also part of the reason I personally gravitate towards M+ myself, fwiw
but that's ALSO why BR ranks, for instance, exist in BL
chilly brook
On the topic of borderlands I like getting rewarding loot in WoW (as youāve all seen in my multiple āloot sucks in WoWā rants) but I donāt find borderlands good tbh
That being said though I also just have a huge disdain for gearbox, 2k/take2 and Randy Bitchford
exotic spoke
Iām talking. About personal goals and reasons why they may play a game
chilly brook
I think the reward structure for m+ sucks
But Iām also thinking of what it could be
exotic spoke
Thatās a fine opinion to have. I disagree with it but thereās nothing wrong with it
I donāt think it needs to be any more than it is personally
modern brook
My only complaint with current M+ rewards is that
I really think you should get like ~300 titan for a 10 in time, plus some extra per level over
wild sandal
for orgoza mythic, with 3 tanks, at what number should the boss tanks swap ?
chilly brook
They could do a whole lot more than just āhey hereās the same item but like several ilvls higher every couple of months, oh and we have this leaderboard thingā
modern brook
cause grinding out Azerite slots remains the worst part of the azerite system.
chilly brook
Agreeed Bull
modern brook
Like once you have access to enough peices to make sets for different things( ie: st, pvp, m+) i think the system is SUPER sick
and its one of my favorite "talent" systems ive played
exotic spoke
Wait are you saying you should get an extra 300 TR per?
modern brook
but until then it just feels very restricted
exotic spoke
Ohhhhh
modern brook
no like 300+x*key level
sand egret
aka make it "farmable"
chilly brook
I thought they wanted to avoid the grind and pain that they had with legendaries and tbh theyāve made it worse lmao
modern brook
yeah
exotic spoke
Eh, then it feels like a huge grind and time sink imo. But I could see how that appeals to some people
modern brook
Yeah thats the big question
sand egret
They don't do that specifically because it becomes "mandatory"
modern brook
how do i make structured upgrades without making it feel like a big grind
exotic spoke
I mean - what else could they do as a reward system Griff?
chilly brook
Itād be at least more of a reason for someone like me to do keys and at least feel like Iām working towards a goal thatās tangible in game instead of an arbitrary goal post
exotic spoke
Because I tell you what. If that was there Bull Iād be fucking grinding out M+ like a mother tucker
modern brook
if u have a currency system its just "great now i have to do this a thousand times" and if u limit how often you get it, its "great now this thing i need is time gated"
sand egret
so would everyone
modern brook
I have no problem with content like mythic plus being "I have to grind this"
sand egret
even if you hated keys
modern brook
because thats fun
exotic spoke
I think a lot of that comes back to the comment I made earlier - gear as a tool or gear as a reward
modern brook
and its something that, bar anything else, was DESIGNED for the end game
Grinding out World quests and islands and rep is just time consuiming and doesnt feel rewarding
because none of that content was intended to be end game content
chilly brook
For one I donāt see why we shouldnāt have a currency with Mythic plus, I also donāt see why we canāt have cosmetics associated with m+ as rewards for doing a certain level of keys, and finally I think having something similar to the honor system would be really cool for keys @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
A grind by any other name is still a grind Bull. At least in my opinion
What do you mean honor system? Like I donāt see how that would apply
modern brook
@exotic spoke goes back to what you were saying about how its seen
exotic spoke
Truth
modern brook
If i do a 10 a week cause i want my chest
yeah its a grind
but if im pushing keys daily
it just feels like I'm playing the game and getting the fraction of the reward i want
but if ur only doing a 10 a week for your chest, its usually cause u want to focus on some other form of end game content
chilly brook
Itās simple, do a key get āxpā based off of key level and your time (3 2 or 1 chest) and basically have it almost be something similar to a ābattle passā for each season of m+
modern brook
(namely, pvp or raid, both of which have their own methods of obtaining azerite at respectable levels)
chilly brook
Get a pet, a tabard etc.
modern brook
and if ur not doing any of that
Are you really the demographic we should be designing around?
chilly brook
Aka m+ is a huge opportunity to have cool cosmetic rewards that incentivize people to push keys and itās something that they havenāt tapped into
exotic spoke
Itās cool and be nice. But I donāt think itās mandatory to have extra rewards.
sand egret
there's so many sides to this though, its difficult when you look at it reduced like this though.
exotic spoke
Iām not saying itās not
modern brook
agreed
I cant really speak from other prespectives
thats just how i see it
as someone who doesnt raid, who doesnt pvp, but absoltely loves pushing keys
sand egret
like, there's the swath of players who don't want M+ to be a legitimate "end game"
modern brook
I feel like i get ~1 drop a week
sand egret
and want to keep that to "raids"
modern brook
and a bunch of disenchant dust
exotic spoke
I think top m+ key levels are harder than raid fights
sand egret
i could argue that as well
modern brook
i think thats an inarguable opinion
chilly brook
I think m+ could be legitimate end game
exotic spoke
How so Bull?
chilly brook
I just donāt like how they handle the gear
sand egret
I wouldn't be surprised if they go in that direction more next expac
modern brook
ina 20 man raid fight
that will last say 5-10 mins
the personal responsbility of mechanics etc is spread out
if the tank misses a block for example, its very possible for a healer to pick up that slack
(probably a bad example)
in a 5 man dungeon in which everything you're doing is timed
personal responsiblity doesnt even end after combat
exotic spoke
I get what youāre saying
Because its more people itās shared and lower responsibility
modern brook
like its 20-40 minutes of nonstop perfomance
and anytime u mess up its much more impactful
"oops i pressed barage my damage is lower" vs "oops i pressed barrage and now we're pulling dudes into boss"
(again bad example)
chilly brook
Idk man when people mess up in raid itās pretty impactful to my mental health š
exotic spoke
Which is part of why I think in high keys itās more challenging.
Less slack / ability to carry dead weight + higher dps checks per person
sand egret
i think you're both agreeing on this
modern brook
I dont mean to be like "in raid u can do what the fuck ever"
cause i know thats not true
but i think the magin of error for CE Mythic raid kills
and a timed +20 tyrranical Atal
Its a very sizable difference
modern brook
(I was agreeing with riki th whole time for the record)
(I was saying I think anyone who disagrees with him is wrong / thinks +10s are high)
exotic spoke
I apologize - I thought, with your original statement you were disagreeing. I had bad WiFi coverage for a bit so my responses were very delayed
Like Iād type them - see 5 more of yours and then mine would go through
chilly brook
Lul
sand egret
i'd like to see a "challenge" dungeon happen per week with a set of X changes that you can do with templates (or at least gear is scaled). The changes, would be more than just affixes, namely the actual dungeon is slightly altered (at minimum, Teeming, but more so apply to bosses. Having them get a different mechanic on top of it etc.) and completing that gave loot in tiers depending on your performance
modern brook
@sand egret like Hardmode Mecha?
modern brook
IDK tbh the thing that i like about M+ is the timer
sand egret
but one week instead of lil' bots spawning, you'll have goop pools
well that's what I meant by Tiers of loot
Normal = finishing, Heroic = "in time", Mythic = +2 chesting it
modern brook
I shouldnt have assumed u meant to remove the timer
sand egret
so imagine a world where H-Mecha, for instance, had a different hard mode (or at least a bunch of variations) that you'd get up to 445 gear depending on how your best time was on it that week.
modern brook
I could see it
š¤· i have a hard time getting behind it cause tbh i hate mechagon
and I'm super not looking forward to it being added to the M+ keys
sand egret
yeah, it does have a lot of gnomes
modern brook
I'm almost revered
modern brook
I hate both
the outside zone feels really tedius, for lack of a betterword
The last fight is p cool but the other 3 boss fights i still dont totally understand
Hang on i change my opinion
I hate the dungeon because its not challenging enough to make me actually care about it
at this point i out gear hardmode and even on hardmode only like 2 bosses actually require you to pay attention
sand egret
well those are very different things š
modern brook
yeah
I think thats a less biased-against-gnomes description of my opinion on the dungeon
exotic spoke
Speaking of HM mecha.... went for flawless last night
exotic spoke
Fucking 1 death.... 1 death the whole run....
AND IT WASNT EVEN DURING FUCKING COMBAT
sand egret
loool
modern brook
(Joking btw)
exotic spoke
fucking person fell into furnace after kujo
sand egret
hahahaha
sand egret
place ain't idiot proof...
modern brook
"recently" being like 1.5 months ago
potent anvil
Warrior can skip it too. Outlaw grappling hook is warrior leap.
warm plinth
Imagine having to use something with a Cooldown glides across
bold gate
Yo what punch cards on the mechagon trinket do these prot warriors be usin in EP?
ivory barn
Hey guys, got a lot of help here last night and cant thank you enough to weho helped. I came from fury warrior switching to Prot now for guild.I have a few pieces of Vers gear that doesnt have haste on it for my gloves/wrists. Would I use those pieces outside of Naj/Raid?
prolly need to change all the crit gems to vers >.<
ivory barn
looking at the stat weights on WoWhead crit isnt very viable
lusty grotto
just use your highest ilvl
wowhead isn't this discord's guide though, i think you we've told you this before
ivory barn
What would you recommend changing around Nimchip?
random urchin
I havenāt even looked at wowheads guide, isnāt that the one thatās heavily skewed towards being as tanky as possible?
lusty grotto
nothing
you're fine as it is
if anything use haste gems instead
wowhead's prot guide isn't written by marok
icy veins is
ivory barn
ahh
wise rivet
hey guys, can you help me out with something?
lusty grotto
idk about wowhead because honestly i don't really agree with anything that's in it
wise rivet
bloodthirsty urchin 430 no socket vs bloodthirsty urchin 415 with a socket - what should i pick?
wise rivet
the socket wont pay off for the ilvl aye?
lusty grotto
not at that range
random urchin
Not compared to the scaling of the trink
wise rivet
alright, thank you all
vernal vale
Just unlocked my third necklace essence slot. Curious what people's opinions are for the best setup.
exotic spoke
āBestā is dependent upon a lot of things including - content that youāre doing, group composition, and goals
vernal vale
Right now I have visions as my major and lucid dreams as my first minor
Not sure what to put into that third slot
sinful fox
question guys 1st boss siege, tanking question, is it usual for him to target tank alot?
siege of boralus
exotic spoke
Weāll @vernal vale what content are you doing and whatās your goal?
Are you horde or alliance @sinful fox - we have different bosses
sinful fox
horde bainbridge. tanked him loads previous today he is chain targetting me as tank and cannot tank the add when he is noosing me (silenced)
exotic spoke
Canāt help - sorry Iām alliance
sinful fox
no worries. very frustrating as its impossible to tank the add. somebody in the grp must be doing something wrong for the boss to be targetting me instead of the dps/healer
sand egret
even if you do get chained just run into him and through him, tbh
not sure why you're getting targeted though...
sinful fox
yeh tried 2-3 attempts just kept targetting me as the tank
sand egret
what's your group comp>?
sinful fox
good shout with the noose
maybe if the rogue is using vanish or something the boss is defaulting to me
sand egret
that could be it
but yeah, he'll do his tempest thing at the end of the channel OR when the target gets into range
oblique garnet
It can randomly target you if you have full melee group
sand egret
the thing is he delays it a tad so if you just book it through him you should get out the other side
oblique garnet
It only targets ranged players if you have any of them in group
vernal vale
@exotic spoke I'm not having any issues with survival. Want to do more dps.
sinful fox
thanks for the info
exotic spoke
That would be the best answer @vernal vale
Also - you never mentioned what content youāre doing
vernal vale
We are slow due to short 2 hours a week. Just now working on queen
exotic spoke
Because dps essences are dependent on content
vernal vale
For heroic
exotic spoke
Then probably null rank 3 if you can reliably proc it
Best answer is to sim them
vernal vale
If sims are working good I'll do that.
sinful fox
bladesong/late the leader think the pala was using bubble?
perhaps he is classed as melee as pala healer
sand egret
that's what I'm thinkin
sinful fox
so the boss is defaulting to me
vernal vale
I haven't skimmed in a long time because they used to do weird things for tanks
sand egret
i'm pretty sure a few healers are classified as "melee" so Late's comment would make a lot of sense if your healer is a HPal and you're melee for your dps
sinful fox
even so kiting with gaze/noose then the add uses that breaker skill very hard to position it away from all the grp when ur noosed etc
sand egret
aye well i'd try and keep the marksman CC'd (so another one doesnt spawn) and you can have someone you can rely on to interrupt the heavy slash on that add if/when you get chosen as a way to mitigate any casualties (obvi the easiest thing to do is just have your dps be a bit more heads up on it)
for the Noose, as I mentioned, you can just run through the boss be alright
sinful fox
the grp was bad just didnt realise how often i was getting targetted constasntly
sand egret
or if you wanna be extra safe, you can intercept/leap out
sinful fox
as tank. never been targetted as tank on that boss before countless times
sand egret
yeah, it's just a thing that can happen with specific comps
sinful fox
so it caught me off guard
got ya
so just run through boss then leap basically job done
sand egret
yeah, mind you, it IS a tight window regardless
but running in > 180 > run out is way too slow
so just going straight through is fast enough
(but you may wanna hedge your bet)
sand egret
yeah if need be, with some practice you shouldn't need it
sand egret
yeah, that boss is sneaky tough for pugs on Tyr weeks tbh
doesn't help you had the worst comp for it
now you know, always get one ranged dps š
sinful fox
bad comp then getting chain gazed and noosed every time add spawned
cinder storm
I've had it happen to me, normally when everyone is melee or the only ranged died there's a chance the tank can be the next target
sinful fox
this was chain gazed and noosed
sand egret
maybe he just digs you?
sinful fox
thought it was bugged
cinder storm
It might be it has two priority tables, ranged and melees, if there are no ranged classes it will rng one melee regardless of the role
void berry
Can't kill QC š¦ Lacking DPS, dying to random stuff... We're so bad š¦
exotic spoke
@sinful fox paladins are classified as melee healers
oblique garnet
As a tank if the first boss does the cleave hurricane whirlwind spin or whatever its called after the noose it doesnt do alot of damage even if you stand in it till you hit like 18+ keys
on tyrannical
strong forum
@ivory barn maybe use haste enchant instead of versa, 16% haste base is very low
That's A lot of fucking vers you have, I'd go focus on getting more haste, crit gems are just fine.
terse dragon
anyone know if null barrier cleanses necrotic?
terse dragon
Yeah the major sorry
potent anvil
I don't think it does. Necrotic should be classified as a bleed.
terse dragon
when do you guys generally use shield wall?
When you cant block mit?
or like lets say you want to save it for a big pull
when would you throw your Wall in the rotation?
potent anvil
I think it depends on the damage intake. If you're familiar with the damage pattern/incoming damage, you can make on the fly assessment. If it's a big pull, just use it early to stabilize until the healer has you. Then call for externals, etc.
strong forum
Use it before you drop low
terse dragon
So you have to anticipate big damage and just use it accordingly?
strong forum
Ye
exotic spoke
What deswind said is right. Usually based on predicted incoming damage.
In rotation and cycling CDs on some fights - as filler in others
strong forum
It's wasted if you drop low to 20% and then use it
exotic spoke
But yes - predictive
potent anvil
Better to be liberal with your big CDs and proactive than reactive and running away all the time.
strong forum
Yup
exotic spoke
Use them early and use them often
terse dragon
and he was talkin about Monk Vs Warrior
strong forum
Pretty much everybody does
terse dragon
how Monk is reaction and warrior is proactive
so I didn't really pick up on this til he said that
and it kind amakes sense now
exotic spoke
Like we have really short CDs with AM Nome
strong forum
Proactive is, you need to use shit before taking dmg
terse dragon
Yah
strong forum
Reactive is using shit after taking dmg
terse dragon
Yah BM is reactive according to what he said
since the dmg does into stagger or something lke that
strong forum
Eh BM is both
terse dragon
and warriors need to really know the dmg patterns
lunar jackal
like resto druid is proactive healer. Hpal is reactive healer
strong forum
Warri is 100% proactive
exotic spoke
VR bro
lunar jackal
if u try playing a resto druid reactively ull suck balls
terse dragon
Pretty much he said its way easier to die in high keys versus Brewmasters
strong forum
You need to know everything and use everything beforehand
terse dragon
Since they have it easier because they are less likely to just flop
strong forum
If you slip up as warri you're dead
If you slip up as monk, not so much
That's the 'issue'
terse dragon
yeah
lunar jackal
So guys i've just happened to check icy veins out of boredom. Did I read correclty that aegis of the deep is good for m plus?
lunar jackal
well i dont pvp so
terse dragon
if you want to spec based on dg
strong forum
Conflict has better uptime, aegis needs big pulls
lunar jackal
what about in dungeons with heavy magic damage like shrine is it still worth it over null ?
those attendants fuck me up on high keys
terse dragon
Yah Null barrier minor is really good
lunar jackal
on fort at least
strong forum
Ye shrine is a bummer
bold gate
Null barrier is pog
exotic spoke
Yup. Also just be dark iron
potent anvil
Undying Gift is 
exotic spoke
shut summit
sand egret
ivory barn
Is there a place that would explain how to use Edict trinket?
lunar jackal
id put it on magic against shrine attendants too
potent anvil
Comes down to damage patterns. Even in a pull with mixed damage, you'll probably get better use on magic absorb since warriors do well against physical.
Although, I don't have one so I can't make a proper assessment. š¤·
rocky umbra
just snap and kite the shrine casters bruh
lunar jackal
nah I dont usually have a problem with them with my regular group
problem comes when I get too cocky on pugs
when I expect people to... you know... do their jobs
like interrupt shit
exotic spoke
Des, thatās what Iād advise. Itās worked well in practice
strong forum
The thing about edict is, it's needs to get some stacks rolling.
And you can almost never reliably get magic stacks rolling so it's alot of possible midigation is gonec
exotic spoke
Allows for a little extra security on larger pulls
Itās really easy to get them rolling for me
āHey guys donāt interrupt next spellā
strong forum
I wouldn't need to coordinate that
Cuz my people fail anyway
And don't know what's dangerous
exotic spoke
So just use magic then whole time
exotic spoke
I only have a 430
lunar jackal
Don't you there put edicts on magic in freehold
it will be the biggest waste of your life
dear
excuse my English
lunar jackal
ur talking about 2 casts in a whole dungeon lol which do almost nothing
exotic spoke
I mean i swap trinkets depending on dungeon. So obv not on freehold
Probably wouldnāt use edicts this week at all. Or urchin
strong forum
š
lunar jackal
yeah i have both of them
lunar jackal
luckily i got a couple of other trinks for stats
exotic spoke
I wouldnāt use either this week personally Hroglar
lunar jackal
dont worry i wont lol
i got a couple of other choices
if i remember correctly rezan/underot's/coral/tempest
exotic spoke
Got a 435 yellow card last night. So cyclo got a bit of a damage increase
lunar jackal
noice
exotic spoke
Probably using gore and howler this week
abstract geyser
You guys running high crit this week?
exotic spoke
Not really. Iām not changing my enchants / gems
Just using highest Ilvl I normally would.
Changing trinkets but thatās it
potent anvil
My gear has high crit, but that's because I main as fury
outer dew
@exotic spoke i'm so sad
i bought these now and laters
and they cahnged the old formula
they soft now
exotic spoke
Sounds like bait and switch. Obv sure
terse dragon
i dont think urchin gets affected by the necro
I think back on the Necro Burst Tyran week it was still doing 15% of my hps
do you use the edict on fort weeks?
and just stack the phys absorb?
sand egret
it does
your overall wont change...as all your shit is effectively being reduced by the same %.
if it wasnt, logically it would be contributing proportionally MORE than other werks
hasty nova
oh no riki!
lol thats terrible
well my parse right there was on orgozoa
and he was at like 2%
feels super bad
and we are on last pull
so we probably won't get him tonight
sigh
next week it is
warm plinth
@outer dew I never liked Now & Laters specifically because they were hard lol
outer dew
well
they're soft as shit now
and depressing
if i wanted a soft taffy
i'd buy starburst
or literally
any other taffy
inland mesa
Za'qul dead 450 dream's end š
exotic spoke
Apparently I shouldnāt be in a mythic guild and should stick to heroic raids because I only play prot warrior
autumn pendant
Raid HC only
ionic fern
On a serious note - what post is that?
exotic spoke
Where I responded to criticism after I said that balance is at least as important as āfunā is
autumn pendant
I hope that one day somebody will displace reddit posts in big ass archives
For future generations
ionic fern
Ooh, see that's where you made a mistake - you said something opposing someone elses post in reddit.
š
exotic spoke
I only play warrior and during uldir - though viable - I definitely felt like I was holding the raid back. So much so that it wasnāt fun and I sat myself every day I could
Lol you right
ionic fern
At that moment all logic flies out the window.
exotic spoke
That person was a random who responded afterward. That said I need to numb the pain
Of ashvane wipes at 0%
ionic fern
š
ionic fern
My horrible alt hunter got 445 inkpod from HC... plz game.
How far did you get her pre-nerf?
exotic spoke
āI just realized I had the wrong traitā.
We started shortly before nerf. Just started doing two phase pulls the week before and our best pull was 59% in first break
Best overall was like 10% but we never got there cleanly
Ohhhhhhh someoneās gonna get a whooping. We figured out why that wasnāt a kill
exotic spoke
Well the exact cause - I died and our warlock died because on the early set of bubbles to break in second break
3 people didnāt swap / do any damage to them so we stood there.... and died
ionic fern
If only 3 people diddn't swap and you still died to the bubbles then wtf is your raids DPS like o.o
exotic spoke
We needed 500k damage let me post
Damage in those bubbles was shit becaus eof a bad reposition -
This was specifically to the bubbles the warlock (clennisell) and I died to
exotic spoke
It didnāt work that time I donāt know why
Also - Iām bad
Didnāt you see that reddit post?
Shield break dps
exotic spoke
I WAS DEAD THE WHOLE SECOND EXPOSED AZERITE PHASE
ionic fern
š
exotic spoke
No hero no pot š¦
ionic fern
Well, hope you kill it when ever your next raid is.
exotic spoke
Thanks man. Better tonight than Tuesday so itās there
If not - Iāll just stick to heroic
autumn pendant
ripe crow
is prot still the omega daddy for keys?
mint imp
yap
ripe crow
coral any good for keys?
vocal nimbus
Prot and brm are pretty topy top top currently
brittle owl
for pushing purposes it doesn't really matter tbh
the only tank that struggles a bit on high keys is dk
autumn pendant
Yeah cause they actually get slaughtered
brittle owl
yep
autumn pendant
In my group we run Dk tank
autumn pendant
Well to snap aggro on pull i mean
onyx vessel
Prob no changes for prot
mint imp
precast avatar though 
undone sun
don't even need VoP for that
strong forum
@exotic spoke 800k is cutting it quite close tbh, you want like 900k-1mil dps during Shield break
How low do you get her in 1st burn?
weary thorn
Today was our first kill post ashvane nerf, and we actually had to change our timing because we were getting upsurge during the rippling wave that hits her past 1st shield break
strong forum
We just were straight up 30seconds faster, that's about it. Timings were weird during 2nd burn
marble cipher
The nerf was quite massive imo, easy oneshot on our reclear yesterday, don't even think we had any death anywhere, or high waterlogged stacks on anyone.
For some reason, our guild was playing really well yesterday too though, managed to reclear up to Court and got our first kill there too, then they went on to do some Za'qul tries to get a feel for it.
Usually our reclears end on Orgozoa wipes cause people play like dummies š
strong forum
It's a huge nerf
lunar bramble
whats better for m+, more bastion of might traits or more deafening crash traits? have azerite that has them on the same tier
lunar bramble
so 3x bastion and 1 x deafening ?
spice ferry
š
sick sentinel
ya
lunar bramble
Ty
steep wraith
What are the other 2 best ones after deafening, or does it not really matter much?
strong forum
Meticulous scheming is great
So is iron fortress
The ideal setup is 3x BoM 1x DC 2x MS AFAIK
strong forum
But there's only 1 shoulder and 1 chest with both BoM + MS respectively, so relatively low chances of getting it
chilly brook
This is also a question answered in #268491842637660160 @steep wraith
strong forum
But most general prot traits will do
sick sentinel
Ashenvane warden chest
And
Kraken shell shoulders
Hey guys quick question, when I sim my dps on raidbots i get a bit over 21k however when I raid/m+ my average is roughly 14k, my cotank in raids sims at 24k and is able to pull off roughly 20k on each boss. What am I doing wrong?
oblique garnet
Do you have any logs?
oblique garnet
Your demoshout uptime is really low
sick sentinel
So I should cast it off cooldown?
oblique garnet
yes
oblique garnet
also you are capping your rage
You havent used ignore pain at all š¤
on Sivarra for example
sick sentinel
Well that's embarrassing
oblique garnet
Also your shield slam casts seem really low compared to your other casts
sick sentinel
That should be an easy fix
modest pelican
Hi guys, I need your advice š¦ I am getting kind of desperate. On my prot warr I am dying as hell in m+ (not interested in raiding) - I can tank freehold +9 without struggle, and then in king's rest +8 or mechagon normal I am dying all the time. May I ask some kind soul in here if they find any "extreme" mistakes on my armory? š¦ Also I'd like to ask if the pocked-sized computation trinket is worth the 1k haste buff or I should replace it by any trinket with STR for example by the big red button one from motherlorde š
icy garnet
no one really talks much about blood rite. is it that bad of a trait? seems like it would have really good uptime on a lot of haste.
oblique garnet
its not a bad trait but whats the other alternative in the piece
icy garnet
bloodsport š¦
oblique garnet
yeah bloodrite over that anyday
icy garnet
ty
modern brook
@modest pelican youy should be able to tank 10s across the board with no problem at that ilvl
whether or not there are mistakes in gearing is really dependent on the other gear you hve access to
IIRC computational device isnt bad, there are better trinkets, but Big red button aint it
modest pelican
I am basically using shield block on cooldown, ignore pain whenever enough rage
Shout on cd
Pug
modern brook
Its also really possible your healer carried / was afk across those keys then
modest pelican
Not in the mechagon, actually my friend was healing me at 30k his and I was still almost KO :D
30k hps *
modern brook
are you rotating in Last stand?
I mean i can guess all day but without logs we're not going to be able to give you any real targeted advice
My suggestion would be to give the guide another once over
modest pelican
I use last stand usually when my HP drops radically or I am expecting big dmg
modern brook
Last stand is rotational w/ bolster + AM
Am i right in guessing that pulls start off swell then ~ 24 seconds in you start getting trucked
sick sentinel
you use last stand in trash as per rotating shield block
same with shield wall, you use it to gather up shield block charges again
or if you are doing a big pack
and you are certain you can't withstand the incoming damage
Is there a haste % we should be aiming for?
nothing
ilvl
modest pelican
I am going to try some m+ and gather some logs for you guys š thanks a lot
sick sentinel
yes
modern brook
He could aslo just be giving his back while kiting
sick sentinel
or not kiting at all
modern brook
^
sick sentinel
With the new affix in m+ does booming voice still beat out devastater
aoe booming, deva pure st
always
booming is more meant for surv anyway
Yall have been a huge help!
modern brook
@modest pelican I'm going to assume r io is glitching here, but make sure ur azerite is on prot warrior :^)
modest pelican
Sure š I have azerite gear also for arms
sick sentinel
it is, considering it's listed as tank when he's using dps essences
modest pelican
And i switch it everytime š so this is not the fault
modern brook
I just wanted to check the pug groups, see if there was anything super glaring as far as composition /dps or healer ilvl / etc
sick sentinel
anima isn't too good
modest pelican
That HP boost tho š
sick sentinel
Both
modest pelican
I am using it as minor
sick sentinel
Just use VoP/Conflict for as major
modern brook
?????????????????????????????????????????????? conflict?
modest pelican
should I replace bloodsport with brace for impact?
modest pelican
So from the very little essences I have (yes I know, I was not farming them) should i use?
sick sentinel
I don't really care about the if you're stunned
Vision and conflict
Vision major
Vision major probably
ye
modern brook
How many stuns are there to make that relevant?
sick sentinel
It's still relevant even without the stunning
The 1800 vers is not relevant
it's just a bonus
The 900 is though
if this happens type of thing
modern brook
Dont you get the 900 w/o major tho?
sick sentinel
No
Major doubels vers
doubles*
You get 440 or so
Whenever you cc something it doubles if you have it on major
Your thunderclap roots
modern brook
I've misread that rank 3 for like ~2 months now
sick sentinel
And triggers the double vers thing
modern brook
I thought it was when u were cc'd
sick sentinel
So as long as you are thunderclapping rootable mobs
You get double vers
You have max uptime
ye
modest pelican
So guys, which ones should I use š
modern brook
modest pelican
thanks š
sick sentinel
Aegis/Sphere/Lucid/Null
I'd use Aegis
Aegis is pretty meh
I've logged a bunch or runs
But I just don't have sphere
lul
Would use it on teeming but that's mainly it
Oh
Fair
Cool
modest pelican
Then isn't 481k HP too little for m+10?
modest pelican
you know, those DKs with 600k š
sick sentinel
health has nothing to do with anything
What does ho have to do with anything
Lmao mvpg
?
You can tank a +10 with 300k hp
Nothing, we just reacted exactly the same
modest pelican
thanks š
cinder storm
How do you guys deal with the pack next to the void in ToS on the first set of stairs? I am going to attempt to tank my first 16. I get stunned quite rapidly by the rogues, I normally jump in with a shield block and Ritual bandages but the dps get all the aggro right away, do I need to take a rogue/hunter just for this pack?
serene belfry
Just a short question, is it worth wearing 415 wrists /w socket over 440 w/o socket. Or do i miss so much survivalbility.
modern brook
I mean you should be taking a rogue no matter what; but iirc most people are death skipping that
random urchin
Death skip usually. You can always pull way back up the stairs if you want to do that pack
cinder storm
Thanks, that might be more viable due to the dmg done by the archers
I didn't ever think that as an option, really, thanks
random urchin
Itās an option, just not the most optimal one
serene belfry
Its not benthic armor.
Ok i take ilvl.
Then Strength and Stamina outweight secondaries in that case.
Thank you <3
random urchin
Not to mention the extra armor
sick sentinel
@serene belfry you always take ilvl
exotic spoke
@strong forum yeah o know. But it would have been higher had three people not died early. Myself and lock in bubbles and hunter shorty after
modern brook
š
exotic spoke
Hi bull
modern brook
did u down ashvane?
exotic spoke
modern brook
lol smh
modern brook
š¦
sick sentinel
even with the 5% nerf ? :(
exotic spoke
We had a lot of issues. Two of the people who had been in - our only monk and a ret paladin - has internet problems and couldnāt stay connected
Three people died early in second shield break. 2 due to bubbles not being killed and one due to a fuck up.
We ended up ~6500 dps short on the exposed azerite phase. I was dead the whole second break because no one broke my bubble (used berserker rage for one before and was going to have it for the second one)
Still people raid logging who donāt have 65.
A few other things that each individually could make the difference. We know we have the dps. Getting her to 54% on first shield break.
exotic spoke
The second bubble in that breaks
sick sentinel
the one before the bubble breaks yes
exotic spoke
Yeah - thatās what I get was what would help the most. A lot of shit going on
exotic spoke
I died in the first one of the expose armor
Because a few people didnāt do any damage to the bubbles that where stacked on me
I determined, based on our best pull Tuesday, monk buff would add 15k dps.
Any of the three players not dying was enough.
sick sentinel
why not do three tank strat if you guys are struggling with missing members and them dying
exotic spoke
If I had been there the whole night last night I think she would have died. Unfortunately I missed half of the raid
Regarding three tanking - weāve had better success with two phase. Had one full night pre nerf and then this week.
2% wipe pre nerf Mvpg. So we know we can do it.
Losing 4 raiders to classic / conveniently timed RL issues hurt too >.>
weary thorn
My group always found the 3 tank strat more difficult
I wasn't even there last Monday when my guild downed her for the first time (baby was born Thursday) and they used a vdh/Pala combo
weary thorn
Thanks man!
The ashvane nerf had us messed up for about a half hour tbh
It threw off our dps timings
exotic spoke
Pretty much.
left trout
why does the icyveins guide suggest rumbling earth over stormbolt and give no reason for this?
never mind i was looking on the wrong section
exotic spoke
Glad I could help!
gaunt dawn
same
sick sentinel
Same
analog swift
@exotic spoke what's ur deeps looking like on ashvane?
exotic spoke
Mine on exposed azerite is usually 25k or so.
Iām doing a lot of the moving / positioning / breaking corals / etc so itās not as high as it could be but still decent
modest pelican
Yo guys, may I ask you if anyone who has a free minute could check my log? (please ignore the time and damage taken as I went with guys who were pulling everything and were standing in sh*t) I'd like to know if I am using any abylity too much or not so much as I should
random urchin
Yikes. You topped the dps... rough
Going through some of the trash packs and bosses and seeing that your shield block uptime hovers around 50%
Uptime should definitely be higher on Shield Block
warm plinth
Why does the log look weird lol.
Also looks like maybe you didn't log it with advanced logging?
modest pelican
Yes I did, wacraftlogs doesnt import the file at all without advanced logging
warm plinth
It's not showing your gear or anything which is odd. Plus the setup of the log is super strange. It doesn't let you choose boss fights like a typical M+ log does.
analog swift
Finally got ashvane down on tuesday on my monk did some sauce damage
remote vale
how come all prot warrs in MDI use conflict and strife but its labelled as weak/niche in icy veins? :)
carmine light
What 3 essences for dungeons and raids
sick sentinel
Do you have sphere rank 2 or higher?
jagged bay
hello have a nice weekend everyone!:)
remote vale
rank 0 lmfao
sick sentinel
Sphere rank 2>aegis rank 3
Use aegis then
Aegis is not bad
It's not amazing either
It's better in tyrr weeks because you pull bigger
But it does nothing for bosses
It's big meh
oblique garnet
You can pull big in all weeks if you just try hard enough
sick sentinel
True, but you can rarely stay in melee to benefit from the vers
warm plinth
EXPLOSIVES? What are those Late? š
sick sentinel
I pulled entire blob room in kr during explosives tho