protection

[warm plinth]

You can hover over their spec icon and it should say their ilevel

[sick sentinel]

@outer dew you resubbed?

[warm plinth]

On details

[outer dew]

but yea

if you thought

it couldn't get worse

LMAO

[warm plinth]

What

But like

What

[outer dew]

and that's

the two target cleave boss

LMAO

[warm plinth]

Which one? :p

[outer dew]

with no kicks

the junkyard duo

or w.e

[warm plinth]

Naeno and Trixie?

[outer dew]

yea

@sick sentinel yea, i resubbefd

[warm plinth]

He resubbed for me

💪

[exotic spoke]

No me

[warm plinth]

Dafuq

[outer dew]

ready to play with the bear and riki :^)

[warm plinth]

Notice how he put me first Riki?

[exotic spoke]

Blade is horde

[sick sentinel]

POG

tofu is back

I thought you only came back in spirit

[warm plinth]

Now we just need Thyme

And Cosmo

[undone sun]

huh

[sick sentinel]

but you're also back in body as well

[undone sun]

ngl this is probably the closest you'll get cosmo for quite a bit https://i.imgur.com/uQov5X4.png

[warm plinth]

😦

[outer dew]

i mean

technically

thyme is resubbed

isn't he

[undone sun]

technically

yeah

[outer dew]

tbh

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/4f32sZ0.png

[outer dew]

obv time for a new m+ group

[warm plinth]

Click

It

[outer dew]

Protection

:^)

[undone sun]

no

[warm plinth]

CLIIIICK IT

[undone sun]

retail takes up way too much space

[warm plinth]

This is the 21st century, do you have a 5 gig hard drive or something?

[undone sun]

🤣

giga budget build

[warm plinth]

That's the size of my SSD too lol

[exotic spoke]

It would take up over a quarter... holy fuck

[warm plinth]

And I have WoW on mine

[undone sun]

it's my only drive too

😭

[warm plinth]

Oh jesus

Why Thyme

[outer dew]

is it pretentious to drink cold brew tea

or is it just lazy?

[warm plinth]

HDD are super cheap

[undone sun]

cheap when you have some money coming in

sure

we livin that big NEET life

😭

[warm plinth]

😬 I think I have a 1TB you can have actually

I'll have to look when I get back from this work trip

[oblique garnet]

monkaS

[warm plinth]

Not saying you have to install WoW

Just saying you can join us in the 21st century

[undone sun]

🤣 no need, i can upgrade my drives but my whole build is a piece of shit so i haven't bothered when it's basically on the verge of overheating 24/7

[warm plinth]

Oh, gotcha

Thought I'd offer lol

[undone sun]

yeah, thanks though

[sick sentinel]

it costs like 40-50bucks for a terabyte or something dumb

[undone sun]

probably

[warm plinth]

Yeah something like that

[exotic spoke]

So, looking at the logs from this past week.... soul Goliath starts to really hurt at 35 plus stacks

[warm plinth]

I think our DK went up to 40something. That’s when I had to pull my 1337 darkness RNG

Because he wasn’t expecting to get like 55% to 0 on a melee

Lol

[exotic spoke]

I miss timed a block / apparently leaping over the fire still causes you to get hit by it and I went squish

[warm plinth]

Ow

Idk but double jump works fine 😉

[exotic spoke]

Wait - I got hit with crush while he was burning

Wtf

[warm plinth]

Hmm

Does the burning always tick a fixed amount of times?

Or does it tick more times with more stacks

[exotic spoke]

I dunno - but it was a second after his stacks cleared

[warm dawn]

what the interest of conflict and strife in major for MM+ ?

(except kiting)

[exotic spoke]

The vers as a secondary

[potent anvil]

The root effect procs the double bonus vers. You end up getting 860+ vers during trash as long as you can root a mob via thunderclap. You'll mostly be ignoring the root effect, either see it as an inconvenience or a boon (for kiting or locking down certain mobs).

If you're asking what's the point of having it in your major slot, that is.

[warm dawn]

ok thanks

ah ok it's the rank 3 upgrade. i only have rank 2 atm

[outer dew]

@warm plinth has the best root, he's rooted in my heart

😉

[warm plinth]

❤

[sand egret]

nothing worse than getting home from work, hittin that weekly cache....and immediately heading to the scrapper.

[warm plinth]

😦

[sand egret]

I got 445 gloves with socket.....when i have the same exact pair at 450 with socket

womp

[novel temple]

I got 440 with a socket from mine

And I even did a 17 temple in time to get that 😢

[sand egret]

that's good! assuming you don't have the same thing +5 ilvls like me...lol

[exotic spoke]

I find out if I’m disappointed in about 30

Going that fury loot spec

[novel temple]

I had a 440 piece already

But the sockets nice I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️

And after getting a 440 socketed shield, I’ve been fury loot spec

[exotic spoke]

A hole is nice

[novel temple]

What’d you get though

[exotic spoke]

I find out in 30

Hoping for a solid trinket or ring.

Otherwise it would have to be a very high warforge / titanforge with socket

To be used

[novel temple]

I was thinking seconds instead of minutes 🤦🏻‍♂️

[sick sentinel]

@potent anvil did you see my aegis of the deep uptime

I had in td

I'm still not sold on it

[warm plinth]

I’m hoping for a shield on war (but don’t really care since I’m leveling the horde one anyway).

[potent anvil]

@sick sentinel I didn't. Are you talking about the uptime for healing or stacks? Technically it'll have like 95%+ uptime just because you'll always have at least 1 stack. But as an essence as a whole, I personally don't like it. Sphere is technically better imo since you'll get the same amount of uptime for 100% of the value.

[outer dew]

@warm plinth wdym, it's alliance time

HELLO?

[sand egret]

psh

[sick sentinel]

@potent anvil

21 td

I usually run sphere but I decided to try aegis instead

[potent anvil]

I think it depends on the dungeon, too. Maybe FH/WCM and possibly UR can see more value per pull.

[sick sentinel]

I had 85% sphere uptime on the 20 FH I did before this run

wait

no

ya 85

[potent anvil]

But, I normally just have Conflict, VoP, Null as my essences. I quit using aegis ever since I got conflict.

[sick sentinel]

I use VoP major, CNS and sphere minors

[potent anvil]

And drop conflict for Undying gift for major if I need it.

[sick sentinel]

I sometimes take our sphere minor for VoP minor and Undying gift

oh

[exotic spoke]

Thats what I got

[sick sentinel]

fuck you @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

❤

[sick sentinel]

I take out sphere, not conflict

[exotic spoke]

I still ❤ you Kaege

[outer dew]

not

even 450 with leach and socket

might as well be trashed

tbh

[exotic spoke]

I wont do that to Kaege

I'm not tellin the fury warrior in guild that I got it though

[sick sentinel]

is he an officer

[exotic spoke]

No

[sick sentinel]

is he friends with an officer?

[exotic spoke]

I like him

Does that count?

I'm an officer

So technically yes?

[sick sentinel]

oh

tell him

lmao

[vestal edge]

blood sport or callous ?

[sick sentinel]

callous

[exotic spoke]

But I dont want to piss him off

[vestal edge]

really? thought sport would be better

[sick sentinel]

but it will be funny if you did

bloodsport is utter garbage

[exotic spoke]

He's murderous and he'll prevent me from getting anything from the Black Market ever again

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[exotic spoke]

Im serious

he has like 60M gold in assets + liquid gold on server

Oh .. nm... Its fine

this is what hes using

[sick sentinel]

well

too much talk for nothing

[left hatch]

wait a second.... is there really no change on Sphere of Suprression minor from rank 2 -< r3

[sick sentinel]

you get 300 speed

that's 10%

gotta go fast boy

[left hatch]

so worth the 35k honor grind?

[sick sentinel]

do you wanna farm 35k honor for 10% speed?

[slim pier]

35k ez

[willow scarab]

There have been two bonus honour weeks to farm so it’s a bit of bad luck if you haven’t already got it

[left hatch]

not bad luck, 100% just laziness

[sick sentinel]

first one was during gear week

second one was during push week

[slim pier]

It's better if you just do the daily random bg

[sick sentinel]

if my group is up and I have a 5man for mplus

I am not fucking doing bgs my dude

[slim pier]

And epic

Of you're lazy

If

[left hatch]

ok ty for the advice

[warm plinth]

@outer dew 😮

[outer dew]

@warm plinth when you getting on :^)

[warm plinth]

I'm on now, but I can't do keys until Friday

[outer dew]

we can do

wq together

:^)

real date like

[warm plinth]

o_o

😊

[outer dew]

you telling me your bear doesn't need WQ?

all the essences

[warm plinth]

I'm sure he does. Lemme open my chests first

@exotic spoke I did it

😂

[sick sentinel]

leech

bis

[warm plinth]

ikr

[exotic spoke]

Leech boy

[warm plinth]

Though on a more serious note, it was a 15 ilevel upgrade

So I'll take it

[exotic spoke]

have I mentioned how much I hate personal loot?

[warm plinth]

Probably 8,000 times

[willow scarab]

Personal loot sucks but I do like coins and I’m glad wow added them

[oblique garnet]

Hows azhara prog going?

Or did your guild die and go to classic like 80% of all the other guilds

[willow scarab]

Terribly because everyone just wants to log off and go back to classic

[outer dew]

that's toxic

[oblique garnet]

Unlucky

[willow scarab]

We’re passing the second intermission

But like everyone including me isn’t focussed

[exotic spoke]

People getting one handed weapons they don't intend on using for their offspecs but can't fucking trade them

[willow scarab]

I’m going back to maining retail now though so I’ll be trying harder

[oblique garnet]

Yeah classic loses appeal real fast if you grind too hard

[outer dew]

because classic isn't a video game

[willow scarab]

I got my little nostalgia fix and then just got bored

[oblique garnet]

^

[willow scarab]

I’ve already done everything before

[oblique garnet]

Same basically

[willow scarab]

And I missed all the qol changes that have happened since

[outer dew]

only reason i was gonna do classsic

[willow scarab]

As well as complex rotations

[outer dew]

would of been for a gnome squad of people in here

[willow scarab]

Did you kill azshara?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah we did

[willow scarab]

Hell yeah grats

[oblique garnet]

Are you doing the boss moving or?

[sick sentinel]

we killed zaq and we're not reclearing

so wednesday we start aszhara prog I guess

[willow scarab]

You should? Why wouldn’t you

I’m doing most of it yeah

[oblique garnet]

Isnt it fun with not having a monk taunt 8)

[warm plinth]

@outer dew Slide into my DMs with those b.net digits

[willow scarab]

It’s actually really chill

One of the less impactful fights to not have monk

Having a bdk is actually really nice too

[oblique garnet]

Gripping myrmidon is nice yeah

But frost dk can do that aswell

[willow scarab]

I’m not enjoying how much magic damage is there

[outer dew]

oh

[willow scarab]

I mean gorefiend for the big add wave phase

[outer dew]

i got an invite for a heroic

[warm plinth]

It's cool

Do that shiz

[outer dew]

aite

dw

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah

[outer dew]

have you done 8.2 shit on bear yet?

whole lotta intro shit :^)

[oblique garnet]

You got to 2nd intermission? Did you get to see the p3 at all?

[warm plinth]

No I haven't but not sure I'm up to it without addons tbh :/

[willow scarab]

Yeah a little bit of p3 but not much

Killed first add twice

[outer dew]

it's okay

imagine all the WQ

[warm plinth]

WQs for days

[outer dew]

this is world of WQ

[warm plinth]

Oh shit I haven't even done the intro to the Heart chain 😂

Dat level 18 neck though

[outer dew]

LMAO

pwoer level rising

[oblique garnet]

Iirc if you do nazjatar questline you get straight to 35 neck

[warm plinth]

Yeah you do

And then it's gotta be 1k up to like...what, almost 50 probably?

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

Took me less than a week to get wlocks neck from 50-62 without island farming

[warm plinth]

Man, imagine what I could accomplish if I put forth effort

[oblique garnet]

Imagine if i put effort into actually useful things🤔

[sick sentinel]

we have a frost dk

he YOINKED my fucking

zaqul chest

[outer dew]

get good

[exotic spoke]

In other news - I just cut a week off of my time line to get my specific Azerite Chest

by getting two pieces to just scrap >.>

[novel temple]

nice!

i just rolled and got super lucky

[sick sentinel]

you guys still running quick navigation?

[undone sun]

force multi is usually the go to

quite strong, afaik undersims because of a bug

[sick sentinel]

when it says highest stat, it doesnt go by highest % right

it goes by highest +number?

[undone sun]

yeah, rating

[sick sentinel]

ok cool

makes sense

thank you

one more question

sorry guys

[oblique garnet]

Dont have to apologize for asking questions

[sick sentinel]

I have a 440 briny barnacle I'm using, for my 2nd trinket (for raiding) which do you think I should use, I have a 430 jes howler, 435 edict, 440 vial, 430 chain of suffering, 430 font, 430 phial of arcane tempest with a socket, and a 430 inkpod

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel personally id run edicts for the additional dr

[upper spoke]

440 Servant splitter v 440 resonating crystal scimitar?

Can thunderclap and revenge trigger the proc of servant splitter, or is that just applied via white damage to your main target?

[shadow tapir]

is there any world where 70 leech is worth a 20 ilvl loss?

[undone sun]

no

no way in hell

leech has basically no value

it's just a bonus if you have it

@upper spoke ilevel differences? and if i recall it's only melees, it's strongest on ST

[shadow tapir]

haha ty

[supple plover]

So my guild just got to Orgozoa on mythic

I wanted to see how hard he hit for on mythic

went in with no healer and survived till 10 stacks

I parried every auto

[light lynx]

*he went in alone and the raid died outside the room before he did

[sullen valve]

Y E E T

[supple plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rFGYANmQknMP1HJp#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=17

Sadly that attempt i didnt get anyone else killed

[full cloud]

how is the dragon charge knockback direction determined? seems to be pretty random, sometimes it sucks people in, sometimes sideways/away

[frosty vigil]

which one would you guys use for m+?

[honest frigate]

445

[exotic spoke]

2.7M left on ashvane >.>

and yeah 445 - thats not even a question

[supple plover]

you got this riki

[exotic spoke]

on thursday

raid over

consistently sub 5% but with a death

[supple plover]

So is it usual to have orgozoa wiff most of his autos?

Every pull now I parry a very large majority of his autos

[outer dew]

@exotic spoke well, ya boi got a 7/8 clear

and ashvane

doesn't give azerite

i mean not ashvane

last bitch

[ebon berry]

what is the best way to increase dps with minimizing loss to survivabilty?

[warm plinth]

I would say that aside from trinkets and azerite traits, you never really lose all survivability to get DPS

And even with Azerite traits, a decent number of them provide benefits to both

[exotic spoke]

@outer dew Grats!

[outer dew]

yea

but no azerite or trinket

[exotic spoke]

its a good week

[outer dew]

so worthless raid

LMAO

[exotic spoke]

Did stupid shit and didnt get punished

ran siege 18 without changing from single target parse build

not punished

[outer dew]

lmao

[warm plinth]

And to think we could have done WQs instead D:

[outer dew]

ikr

wq

would of been better

[warm plinth]

Tbf though I’m super like...unmotivated to do shit while I’m out of town. Playing without addons is trash.

[distant crystal]

2 people bonus rolled 455 corals tonight

so i decided to blow one too.... 455 socket coral ^_^

my luck is spent for the tier

[exotic spoke]

is k value the same for armor and block/

?*

[warm plinth]

Yes

[novel temple]

is a 25 ilvl jump worth dropping DC?

im not asking for myself, i lucked out and only needed to roll 3 times in total for bis

also k value is a bunch of bullshit

and has been since like mop

[warm plinth]

I believe DC is worth around 30 ilevel for survival. For DPS you could sim it I guess.

[inland bolt]

defensively for M+, do people drop ilvls for Orgozoa Paralytic Barb?

like ~10ilvls

[sick sentinel]

No

[exotic rapids]

What would you pick for m+?

[mint imp]

the one which sim best

[exotic rapids]

so simming for prot is now accurate?

[limpid pawn]

It depends on the week for sure

[undone sun]

has been for a bit now

[exotic rapids]

k thx

[limpid pawn]

What essences would you guys run for freehold boosting

Keep in mind some of the large pulls have tons of stubs

Stuns

[mint imp]

vop + lucid

[limpid pawn]

I was doing VoP major, and aegis minor + conflict and strife minor

Lucid minor is that much better?

[mint imp]

well you got more rage to pump in dps or ip and the versa is also nice

[outer dew]

Nah

[hallow phoenix]

I do FH boosts and run anima and aegis

[outer dew]

Big brain is conflict major

You just pull all trash to boss

No need for vop

[hallow phoenix]

If I had a 3rd I'd run conflict probably

[outer dew]

If you do it all in one pull

So big brain

[hallow phoenix]

Anima major is huge for FH boosts

Merekthas fang is also very nice

[graceful cobalt]

hi wich stats are better full haste7versa or haste/krit/mastery

[strong forum]

For raid haste + versa

For m+ haste + crit

[graceful cobalt]

ok thx

[outer dew]

Or go mastery crit like a crack head

:&]

[graceful cobalt]

and wich essenz i play actually with Vop Major Nullifikation and Lucid dream minor or should i take licid dream of and agis of the deep?

[ionic fern]

#268491842637660160 - Protection section, find the icy-veins guide. All these questions are answered there.
VoP/Lucid/C&S for m+.
Nullification can be used for most raid fights but is rarely used in m+.

[autumn pendant]

That brightness

Of your pfp

👀

Its gooooone

[ionic fern]

I updated it since i grew my beard more out. 😂

Gotta keep it up to date you know.

[crystal dirge]

has anyone tried coral for prot btw?:D played around with it yesterday, it wasnt so bad for m+

[ionic fern]

I run with a coral in m+.

If you can get the timing of it down it's pretty decent.

Wouldn't run it on lower keys tho.

[crystal dirge]

20s is what I do, so should work

[ionic fern]

Jep.

Then it's np.

[crystal dirge]

Nice! Thanks! 😄

[brisk sparrow]

Can you guys pls tell me how to use CoF? I read mutliple times to not press it twice and spread the dot out, but the wowhead guys says i should press it once, wait for to charges and press it twice in a row to let the dot stack

is the dot even "stackable" dmg wise?

[ionic fern]

Iirc only the passive part of it is stacking not the active part.

[brisk sparrow]

thats what i thought until now. maybe I just missread it.... will check again^^

"The increase to damage with each cast applies to the added DoT from rank 2. Currently, this means that once you have two charges provided by rank 3, the ideal method for using this is to cast it once, let it fully reset, then cast it twice in quick succession to maximize the DoT’s damage. The overall damage gain is not dramatic, but it is a useful way to push your damage to its limits."

dont really get why that should be the case^^ and never read it anywhere else before

[jaunty sentinel]

Hello fellow Warriors! What are the best Essences for Raids and witch for M+ overall? Thanks

[mint imp]

scroll a bit up

[jaunty sentinel]

Thanks found it 🙂

[strong forum]

I would just use my 2nd and 3rd cast of CoF with crit procs unless it's about to be fully reset to 2 charges then I use it to not waste CD

[sick sentinel]

I just use my CoF when I OH FUCK I HAVE 2 CHARGES

I'm not used to pressing my essence as prot

[mint imp]

CoF can crit? I though it scales only with versa

[sick sentinel]

all the essences scale with vers and they can crit

[ionic fern]

Jeah, in general i also just use my first 2 CoF's 7s appart to let the DoT fall off and then pretty much on CD. 😒

[vocal nimbus]

Anima doesnt crit, iirc

[undone sun]

correct

[brisk sparrow]

thanks @ionic fern 🙂

[undone sun]

tagged specifically for cannot crit but iirc most % based attacks don't crit anyways

[ionic fern]

"Hits for 1% of enemies hp"...CRITS for 10% of HP

[undone sun]

1% = 10% confirmed

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

Cof crits are beauty

Just hitting for 93k and then the dot ticking for absurd amounts 👌

[subtle atlas]

Lingering sporepods for prot is it any good ?

[strong forum]

Nop

[undone sun]

no

[strong forum]

[subtle atlas]

i get it XD

[vague surge]

@brisk sparrow In regards to CoF - The dot from the major will do damage based on the last application, so if you overwrite a weaker dot with a stronger within the pandemic window, you will do some more damage. You'd do an amazing 1.8 seconds of more dot damage by doing it... So barely worth it.

[brisk sparrow]

@vague surge thank you! thats why I couldn't spot a difference in logs while trying it, didn't think of the pandemic window^^

[hazy dust]

Which two should i use from 440 Alch, 430 Urchin and 430 socket Rezans for high keys? Struggling to find anything on the relative value of alch trinket.

[strong forum]

For dmg alch + rezan
For defense rezan + urchin

On really high keys I'd perma run urchin

[somber sky]

jesus the emote. I just got a 445 slotted sporepod... 😦

[strong forum]

Unluck

[junior ivy]

Hi

[autumn pendant]

@somber sky veri gud pvp wise, keep it

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern is a bully yeet

[fervent prism]

Yo my fellow protbois. I'm thinking about racechanging to nightelf from dwarf for m+, but im not entirely sure. I think both are insanely good, since this is a definite shadow meld m+ season, but stoneform is just way op

[ionic fern]

Dwarf is better for majority of m+ runners imo - NE can do cool things with shadowmelds and skips etc but it requiers a whole team effort and makes more sense if everyone is actually a NE.

[exotic spoke]

Both are solid and being something unique

[random urchin]

I don’t really think about racials too much for tanking (except for DiD on necro weeks)

[strong forum]

Dorf is insane in m+

[random urchin]

I’m a big ol Tauren so I can stomp stuff

[strong forum]

So much shit you can cheese

Nelf is only good if your entire team is doing nelf skips

[exotic spoke]

Dwarf is pretty nice in a ton of places. Some more than others. Necrotic is nice but minor compared to being able to dwarf off energy lashes from masterminds in motherlode

Or bleeds in KR

[junior ivy]

Be gnome

[exotic spoke]

Hi catfriend

[junior ivy]

Hi

Waiting for class to start

[exotic spoke]

Sounds like fun

[strong forum]

Just reflect the energy lashes loo

That shits bis

[exotic spoke]

Yeah but what do you do on the second cast?

[strong forum]

Just live

4head

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[strong forum]

Fuck me live/life is so annoying

Life is the thing itself

[exotic spoke]

I got you

[strong forum]

And live is so many

Fucking

Ways

To use

[exotic spoke]

Yup!

[exotic rapids]

Do the higher Ranks of Vision increase the proc chance ?

[warm plinth]

Late to the discussion but I'm curious how this season is a Shadowmeld M+ season as previously mentioned.

Nvm just realized that was like

Hours ago

[void berry]

Or just run a panda like me :kappa:

[warm plinth]

Pandas are fine; just hard to justify choosing it over Dwarf if you're already alliance imo

Especially if you like both races

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth You can skip voids with smeld

[warm plinth]

Is that as widespread as it was last season with reaping waves? I didn't feel like it was; I watch a lot of higher mythic+ on like YouTube and Twitch and don't remember even seeing one smeld skip (or even a death skip for that matter) for a void

[sand egret]

prob more common depending on the week, this week is void so more awkward spots where i'd imagine you'd wanna skip

[warm plinth]

Can you give me an example? I feel like routes are usually just changed since most are skippable anyway by doing so

I'm not really arguing it. I just remember seeing stealth skips a lot during S2 but just haven't really seen any this season

[sand egret]

I saw a few in the MDI, for sure

[warm plinth]

I'm just curious where the normal points are where people are doing it

Well, I may or may not ever get caught up on that but if I do I'll keep an eye out XD

[oblique garnet]

same ones as last season pretty much

the skips have hardly changed

[warm plinth]

Well I don't mean just general skips; I mean specifically for voids

[oblique garnet]

you just execute them differently

[sand egret]

I think another aspect you could consider is that you generally have more % in this season due to emissaries, leading to more of a reason to skip. This compounds with Voids preventing tradtional stealth skips

[warm plinth]

Since that's what the guy earlier was talking about

Or at least what I imagine he was talking about. Because without a void you can typically just invis or shroud the normal stuff

Barring a few exceptions like some of the packs on TD ramparts

[sand egret]

yeah, I think it's just that voids would normally prevent a "usual skip" but smeld can circumvent that block

[warm plinth]

Oh I gotcha. So a pack that on another week you might just shroud, on void week (or whatever week) might have a void there preventing it

[sand egret]

yeeep

[warm plinth]

Makes sense. I was thinking of it differently

[sand egret]

it's more of a re-enabler

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was thinking of it like oh there's a void in this pack so now I'm gonna smeld skip it, since in most cases that wouldn't really make sense. It's basically another trash mob in any non-dangerous pack

[void berry]

Nobody can like pandas and dwarves. Dwarves are ugly and pandas are cuties.

[strong forum]

Pandas are funny at best

Dorf are the best male race in any fantasy world

[void berry]

They're disgusting.

Dark Iron, mayyybe, but even then it's just because their racial is that good.

[exotic spoke]

Female did let’s go boys

[strong forum]

Idgaf about racials

Dwarfs are the best fantasy race. Period

Strong AF, loud, funny, giga beards and alpha

Ontop of amazing architecture and music

[exotic spoke]

I have fire hair

[warm plinth]

Dwarves are awesome

[brittle owl]

tauren are better doe

fite me

[warm plinth]

I don't care much for slow-feeling races

[brittle owl]

and dorf isn't slow

🤔

[warm plinth]

It's not

[brittle owl]

shorter legs

so it's objectively slower

[warm plinth]

wat

I'm referring to the ones that feel slow. No race actually is slower than another.

Except the ones with racials

Like DID

[sick sentinel]

@exotic spoke what did a female do?

[brittle owl]

you missed the yoke completely

[warm plinth]

I didn't. It's just early and I'm grumpy XD

[exotic spoke]

😦

DiD kaege... DiD

[brittle owl]

soooo many

missed yokes

[sick sentinel]

I KNOW RIKI

I KNOW

[exotic spoke]

No I got it

[brittle owl]

y'all need protein in your diet

[warm plinth]

But dwarf heritage is so good

DID...isn't

[exotic spoke]

He’s asking what did the dwarf female do

[brittle owl]

did heritage is sick wdym

[warm plinth]

No it's not

It's blocky and gross

[brittle owl]

can rp as a dragon age dorf

[exotic spoke]

He’s horde what do you expect?

I don’t have DID heritage anyway

[warm plinth]

My warrior is a dorf wdym

[brittle owl]

hes talking about me

[warm plinth]

Well, one of them is

Oh

You biased mofo

[brittle owl]

eat yo yokes, you need em

not biased

did heritage is ripped off tolkien/dragon age style

which i dig

[exotic spoke]

I should finish leveling my monk to get the heritage... but when won’t I use tier 3

[brittle owl]

t3 is overrate tbh

[exotic spoke]

wdym

[sand egret]

was cool, BMAH ruined it

[warm plinth]

How do you not like Dwarf heritage though 🤔

The only downside is that literally one shield and one weapon in the game go with it :/

[brittle owl]

i don't hate it

i just think did>reg dorf

[limpid pawn]

Why for free hold boosting is conflict major good if you pull to the boss?

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know if anyone does freehold boosting here.

Probably because it gives you more vers when you get the root if I recall correctly

[brittle owl]

^

you get GIGA vers with the major

but boosting fh on a woyer is kinda suboptimal

[limpid pawn]

Yeah I don’t have a DH

I’ve been doing it successfully in 3 pills

Pulls

30K per level

[brittle owl]

it's mostly up to you tbh

nipple in space r3 is also good damage

[limpid pawn]

The main obstacle is getting stunned in the second pull

They also pull you back to them so it’s hard to herd up a lot for pull 2

[novel temple]

to piggy back from earlier, do you all mean freehold boosting as in lvl boosting or key boosting

[limpid pawn]

Level boosting

Like soloing normal freehold

I’m trying to figure out what essences would be most helpful

[brittle owl]

honestly

if you do it in three pulls

90+% of efficiency is achieved

anything extra doesnt add up to much

[novel temple]

id just run islands honestly

[exotic spoke]

He’s trying to do it as a service and I think freehold boosting gives more experience per hour if done correctly.

I think it’s 6-7 minutes a run?

[late bramble]

10 min/level is what trade chat is advertising

[warm plinth]

Yeah it was 6-7 minutes when you could do it on a 110

But it's usually advertised as 10-11 now

[exotic spoke]

ahh, I see it listed as 6 minute time per clear requirement to apply for it as a booster elsewhere

I don’t keep up with it so i don’t know. I make money elsewhere

[warm plinth]

I guess it might be 6 per clear; now that I'm thinking about it, the 10-11 might be per level, not per run

[hallow phoenix]

I sell FH boosts and reach instance lockouts (~5-6 min runs will do this). I run anima major and aegis minor. Whole dungeon done in 3-4 pulls

Anima is big damage when you need it

[warm plinth]

How often do they level up? Every other run?

[hallow phoenix]

More or less

[warm plinth]

So that checks out then; it must be 10-11 per level, not run

[hallow phoenix]

2 hours total for 110-120

[warm plinth]

That's not bad at all lol

I need an addon that registers leveling times for me

[exotic spoke]

It’s decent gold per level if I recall correctly too - depending on who you advertise with

Either personally or with other people

[stiff drum]

Guys, i have a 455 rezans and a 440 gorecrust. Would you guys switch out the gorecrusted for a 430 Urchin on high keys?

or just keep the rezans and gorecrusted

high keys being 18~ ish for me

[warm plinth]

Jesus

Fuck you guys and your trinkets

[analog swift]

@limpid pawn I've done a shit ton of FH boosts if you're interested

I run anima major and vop minor then aegis if you have the third.

The reduced cd on VOP is great for the damage and anima is pretty much necessary on the first giga pull

[void berry]

But bro, look at this

thiccccc

A big bag of meaty meat.

[warm plinth]

You're hurting your case the more you talk about meaty meat

[brittle owl]

kill it

before it lays eggs

pandas are no better as a race than the fkin ookers

at least those are funny

[exotic spoke]

@stiff drum you’re going to have to change week to week. This week urchin is less necessary and less effective

Ran a siege 18 late last night after raid. I fucked up and used my single target dps build - which I have for parsing / ashvane - And didn’t get punished. Even with using cyclo while mobs were beating on me

Ps - fuck your trinkets

[warm plinth]

I second the Ps

[brittle owl]

you're better off going full offense unless severely undergeared or doing bleeding edge keys

[warm plinth]

Pandas are infinitely better as a race than the hozen

Hozen are ridiculous and stupid and I fucking hate them

And god help us if they ever give that as a playable race

[exotic spoke]

That’s the new RAF Pet 😦

I hate it....

[warm plinth]

A hozen is?

[exotic spoke]

You didn’t see

Little hozen / monkey

I hate it - already asked blizz to change it

[warm plinth]

Oh, nah I don't pay attention to pet rewards

Since pets are dumb

[warm plinth]

The only pet I like is the one from Lord Marrowgar

The little bone dragon that screams BONESTOOOOORM!

Wait that's what its name is? LMFAO

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[brittle owl]

only pets that count are the blizzcon pets

[warm plinth]

You're a blizzcon pet

[exotic spoke]

He counts then?

But seriously - leave my (effective) name out of this

I can tarnish my reputation enough on my own

[warm plinth]

Yeah just look at your M+ score 😬

[exotic spoke]

Not even 2200 yet 😦

[warm plinth]

Ikr

[exotic spoke]

😥😢

[warm plinth]

But don't worry. My status as worse than you is intact. I'm barely 1500.

[analog swift]

tbh cyclo is probably the move in siege, all prio damage/singletarget fights

[exotic spoke]

Yeah but still lots of mobs beating on you means no block for several seconds

2x RF, 1 MS, 1 DC, I think 1 BoM and one dagger in the back?

Plus devastator ....

[warm plinth]

How was that overall dps? 😬

[exotic spoke]

I mean it was fine. But BV would have been bettter given the pull sizes I was doing

[analog swift]

just use it when you're shield walling

not blocking anyway

[brittle owl]

idk it's kinda yikes on warrior

depends on key lvl doe

[exotic spoke]

I mean yeah theseus - also why’d you change your name

But that’s not getting full use out of cyclo. Could have been a different dps trinket as we aoe’d shit down

[strong forum]

finally something good from chest

[exotic spoke]

Grats friend!

[strong forum]

those alone were 0.7overall ilvl upgrade

[warm plinth]

Nice!

[exotic spoke]

22.5k dps according to logs. Thought it was higher in details when I ran it

[warm plinth]

Always is

[exotic spoke]

Thought it was closer to 27 or so

[strong forum]

aaand trash shoulders.

[exotic spoke]

What’d you get Nome

[strong forum]

horned horror

[warm plinth]

AFAIK M+ logs don't stop counting when you exit combat since it considers it to be one long encounter

[strong forum]

dc/if+ ruinous bolt/cr

fucking giga trash

[warm plinth]

Gross

[outer dew]

Aite, gift tiki figs

I got it

[warm plinth]

You're a tiki fig

[outer dew]

Riki

Bleh

[warm plinth]

Tiki fig sounds like a legit thing

[outer dew]

Lmak

[warm plinth]

Weird Thai fruit

[outer dew]

Are figs tropical?

[warm plinth]

Subtropical I think

[outer dew]

I see, iunno

Figs are an okay fruit

Dont think they're special though

[warm plinth]

I've only ever had it in fig newtons lol

[outer dew]

Lmao

[exotic spoke]

I already told some people I will find them and shank them if they get that pet

[warm plinth]

You can rename them too, so I'll be getting it and naming it Riki

[exotic spoke]

That fucks with things in raid btw

At least on things like hunter pets

[outer dew]

Lmao

Itll be fine

Hella toxic is perfect

[warm plinth]

Imagine if I raided 🤔

[brittle owl]

imagine not raiding

and not even being 1.5k rio

[outer dew]

Imagine being a permanent bench student. That's the play

[brittle owl]

ah, i see you study the wood

[warm plinth]

I am 1.5k io

Wdym

[exotic spoke]

I’m just here so I don’t get fined

[sick sentinel]

buldging pants

[warm plinth]

wat

[sick sentinel]

big pants

[exotic spoke]

Uh huh

[sick sentinel]

nome pants

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/587297392265527323.png?v=1

das me rn

[ionic fern]

Das is gut.

[warm plinth]

I can't with you guys sometimes

[ionic fern]

Yes you can.

Be strong.

This is how i remind myself "YOU HAVE RAID GEAR ON!!" so i notice before m+.

[warm plinth]

The giant ugly shoulders?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[exotic spoke]

Yeah but then I have ugly gear on Mwahi.

Everyone knows if you look good you’ll do better

[warm plinth]

Good xmog increases DPS

[novel temple]

that's the #1 rule

[ionic fern]

Easy fix

Someone ALWAYS drops the Transmophober or w/e.

[warm plinth]

Transmogrophobricatication

Nailed it

[exotic spoke]

Ewww troll

[distant crystal]

never leave home w/o noggenfoggers

[warm plinth]

You're a noggenfogger

What about dat savory deviate delight

[distant crystal]

what am i made of money

[exotic spoke]

Could be worse

You’re not paying people to not use a certain transmog

[mental scarab]

DO WE use cyclotronic with avatr or jsut use it?

[warm plinth]

Should not be used during Avatar, since Avatar doesn't affect it.

[mental scarab]

oki=)

[sick sentinel]

If Last Stand + Bolster blocks all melee attacks, how come I get necrotic stacks during it?

[warm plinth]

Because blocking doesn't prevent Necrotic.

Shield Block blocks all melee attacks too; you still get Necrotic. Only complete avoidance of the attack will prevent the application of Necrotic (e.g. Dodge/Parry).

[sick sentinel]

Hold on. I'm talking about Bolster not SB.

[warm plinth]

No

[sick sentinel]

👀

[distant crystal]

sb makes you block 100% of attacks

[sick sentinel]

I'll delete it

[warm plinth]

SB guarantees blocks

Just like Bolster

[distant crystal]

bolster laststand makes you block 100% of attacks

[sick sentinel]

But the stacks still get applied.

I see.

[distant crystal]

yep

on-hit effects still apply when you block

not when you parry/dodge tho

block just makes the melee hits smaller

[opal harness]

completely fresh prot warrior coming over from other tanking classes. I am seeing that Haste > Vers > Mastery > Crit are the stat weights, correct? But I am getting mixed signals on Azerite Traits. I'm shooting for higher overall DPS, so what are the top 3 or 4 traits I need to be aiming for? Much appreciated friends.

[exotic spoke]

First - welcome!

Second, Ilvl is more important than stats

As a rule of thumb use the highest Ilvl piece. Sockets should be consider in rings a little bit

Icy veins has a great defensively oriented guide and is what we recommend as best case for defense / mitigation

You should be going for Vision, Null, Lucid, and CoF first. You’ll use them in different situations but some combination of those 4 will be up there for consideration in most cases

Trait wise - it is going to depend on content. MS is good, Reckless flurry, BoM, etc. most prot specific traits are good for us in some form - though not all

[opal harness]

Raid content, primarily. And thank you for your help.

[warm plinth]

You need to type faster Riki

You were making me impatient. Just sayin

[exotic spoke]

I’m at work!

[warm plinth]

lul

[exotic spoke]

Raid content wise you’ll typically want to sim your character to get the best option as it’ll ebb and flow

Currently I use 2 reckless flurry, 1 meticulous schemeing, I think dagger in the back if that’s a major one, DEafning crash and maybe Brace for impact?

[opal harness]

Many thanks!

[outer dew]

@warm plinth @exotic spoke

why did i ever resub

holy

fuck

KILL ME

[exotic spoke]

Because you want to play with me

And that’s the #puglife

[outer dew]

iunnoi

if i would resub for anyone

if they told me

they had a +10k pocket hunter

with no soothes

maybe i should just dps

jfc

[exotic spoke]

If it makes you feel any better

Two people in my guild just did a mythic+ UR where a fury warrior did 9k dps on second boss with Heroism

[outer dew]

homie

these keys are degen af

[random urchin]

My god

[outer dew]

i might as well play dps

[exotic spoke]

I think - it I swap to fury - only put on my weapons and only auto attack I’d do more damage

[outer dew]

i do more damage

not holy shocking the boss

tbh

[random urchin]

Gives me flashbacks to my fairly casual guilds first real night of progression on heroic Queen last night. We have 5 of our dps with grey parses

[exotic spoke]

Are you on my server?

My old guild mates were talking to me about something like that

[random urchin]

Dalaran, where real progression is non existent

Lol

[outer dew]

lol

my old roommate

was dalaran horde

pepehands

i miss him

[warm plinth]

Are people just not checking score/ilevel/prior experience in these pugs or something?

[outer dew]

booze, cookies, wow

bless

dude

i've seen trash

1.5k people all the time

[warm plinth]

If someone was pulling sub-10k on a boss I'd fucking kick them and do it with 4 people

[exotic spoke]

Bloodhoof. We were top guild last tier with 7/9 mythic..: no other guild got past 3/9... which was plugged

[outer dew]

i've seen trash 2k players

like it's nothing suprising

but still

FUCK THEM

[exotic spoke]

@warm plinth the warrior I mentioned apparently bought his account or boost as 2 weeks ago he had full 15s timed

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's not a perfect system, which is why I'd kick them if I saw different than my expectations

[outer dew]

but seriously

with how shitty pugs are

i might as well just DPS

maybe I'd time some keys

[exotic spoke]

Halfway through a m+?

[warm plinth]

I said I'll do shit with you!

Just let me not be out of town

[outer dew]

yea yea, i know bby

but yea

THIS IS

IF SOMEONE SHOWED ME

THIS PRE-8.2

[warm plinth]

What ilevel is that guy

[outer dew]

I'D BE LIKE

OKAY

I GUESS

[random urchin]

We have 2 or should I say had 2 guilds on our server doing mythic prog. One just died because everyone went to play Classic

[warm plinth]

Just curious lol

[outer dew]

PEOPEL GARBAGE

iunno, higher than me

430+ it seems

that damage

[warm plinth]

Gross

[outer dew]

like

wtf

is this 8.0 level of damage

for a key?

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[warm plinth]

That's like ignoring Whirlwind entirely and probably just sitting at rage cap

No rampages

[outer dew]

i swore

he didn't have beast cleave keybound

HE IS A BM HUNTER

WHO STANDS STILL

I WATCHED HIM SIT IN A FULL FUCKING

HURRICANE

[warm plinth]

I was speaking to Riki's fury war lol

[outer dew]

????

nah

9k dps is like

you fucking offed yourself

[warm plinth]

Beast Cleave isn't a spell you cast btw :p It's triggered by Multi-Shot

[outer dew]

aite

[random urchin]

My sub 380 pally can do 9k dps

[outer dew]

IF NO BEAST CLEAVE

[random urchin]

Lol

[outer dew]

THAT MEANS

NO MULTISHOT

AND THAT MEANS

[warm plinth]

Beast Cleave is literally like...a massive chunk of BM DPS

[outer dew]

THAT FUCKER DOESN'T EVEN

HAVE MULTISHOT KEYBOUND

[warm plinth]

Like it's #1 overall easily

[outer dew]

you literally

could do more dps

using focusing lense

LMAO

[random urchin]

Let me guess. Was auto attacks right up there in his top dmg sources?

[warm plinth]

Oh lor

[outer dew]

YOU COULD OF JUST SPEND THE WHOLE DUNGEON

[warm plinth]

lord

[outer dew]

ONLY USING LENSE

[warm plinth]

Dem auto shots

[outer dew]

AND OUT DPSES THE GUY

[warm plinth]

Probably lol

[outer dew]

nah

that guy is too big brain

let the pet do all the work

[random urchin]

Ahahaha

[warm plinth]

Oh god

[random urchin]

Auto shot as #3

[outer dew]

his pet

[random urchin]

Wowowowow

[outer dew]

does more damage than him

LMAO

[warm plinth]

Well

[outer dew]

i know

but it sohuldn't be

his pet has fucking

#2 MEELE DAMAGE

already considering the reroll mang

holy

that DPS is just depressing

[warm plinth]

How you gonna heal me? 🤔

[exotic spoke]

Breathe

Deep breaths

[outer dew]

bandages

big brain

[warm plinth]

Do bandages still exist?

[outer dew]

we use legion ones

dw

or you big brain ebar

and just kite

can't take damage if they can't reach you

and just run with 3x rogue

and have them tricks you as you run across the map

in cat/travel form

[warm plinth]

How do I kite as a bear? Do they even have a snare anymore?

I guess I have typhoon and ursol

[outer dew]

you typhoon

ursol

switch to cat

and speed the fuck out

and travel form the fuck out when you out of LOS

[warm plinth]

Cat r for run

[outer dew]

yea

BIG RUN

come on mang trust

[warm plinth]

Also can't take damage if you BoP me and I let DPS tank

😏

[outer dew]

yea

i watch the dps tank

LMAO

[warm plinth]

As long as we live... #notawipe

[outer dew]

tfw when dps tankier than you

shame playing dps tilts me more than tank or healing

lmao

[exotic spoke]

Could just play a dps as a tank.

[warm plinth]

e.g. prot warrior

[outer dew]

nah

prot warrior dead to me

[exotic spoke]

Oof

[warm plinth]

What if I decide to tank for you on a prot warrior instead of a fatboi durid?

[outer dew]

dutr

sure

i don't mind

more plate gear i can share

[warm plinth]

Because my alliance war is already 425 and at least has some essences already

Still need Vision though

[exotic spoke]

Anyone here good at going through logs

Im curious if something is possible

[distant crystal]

ask it

[exotic spoke]

Is there a way to determine how much difference the monk buff would make

Obviously it helps some specs - say fury warrior - more than others. But I was trying to figure out and min max if it was worth it to bring in one of our healers - a monk - as his off spec and at what point / difference in dps did it make sense to do so

[outer dew]

doesn't

mw have the buff?

[random urchin]

All monks have the phys damage buff

I thought

[exotic spoke]

We aren’t using the MW on ashvane due to lack of major group cooldowns to help get through the orbs

Shaman, glimmeradin, disc, or resto, glimmeradin, disc

[outer dew]

clearly

you need another glimmeradin

:^)

[exotic spoke]

We have a second who is sitting out

[outer dew]

clearly

you need another

3 is best

just rorate auramastery

big brain

[exotic spoke]

But yes - all three specs bring the buff

Or would@I have to just export to excel as a csv, pull out the physical damage abilities manually and sum?

[outer dew]

Whenever I see a fire mage

I think of it being great fun

[wintry olive]

@exotic spoke
If you are just trying to find how much physical dmg was done I believe you can do that with the filter function.

Just click the query icon, then select dmg, change the dmg option to just physical. And swap the pin type to filter. Something like that should do it

Im@one phone and it isn’t playing nice. But I circled the basic options I’d try. At the very bottom of the options you find the pin type make sure to swap that to filter

[exotic spoke]

Thanks Korah - trying to get it but it seems off

I’ll play around when I get home but that looks hopeful

[sick sentinel]

if we kill the witches in WCM with only me alive

can I say that "I" killed them?

[warm plinth]

I'd say it depends how many witches were alive when everyone else died lol

[sick sentinel]

one

I didn't take the screenshot fast enough though

[warm plinth]

Pfft, DPS dying to Dire Ritual

[sick sentinel]

wall+SR+demo shout