protection

[willow scarab]

to snipe some of those cheapies

[exotic spoke]

That’s a good idea for my m+ carry gold

[willow scarab]

definitely throw it around

this reminds me to go check other server bmahs

[strong forum]

I would only go for helmet and shoulders rest doesn't fit at all

And would make up with other stuff to actually look good

Full t3 is just ugly

[willow scarab]

off-set dk t8 fills the holes pretty well

[strong forum]

Especially gloves belt and chest are horrendous

But how the fuck can you get shoulders for 120k, everytime I check my server it's 1.5mil + for any piece

Ah nvm riki is on dead fucking realm

[willow scarab]

I got mine in early WoD

on a mid pop realm

[strong forum]

Now might actually be a good time to snipe t3

[exotic spoke]

I am fucking sexy

[strong forum]

Cuz classic plebs

[willow scarab]

shh don't say it too loud

i just found an item i want

but i only have 43k on that server

[strong forum]

:^)

Don't like the mace and belt

But you're getting there

[exotic spoke]

Belt is old vengeful pvp belt. Don’t have a better option. Mace I can’t remember.

Fits best from what I’ve seen

That I have*

Goes well with my heavenly onyx cloud sergeant

Find me a better mace and I’ll go farm it Nome

[willow scarab]

There's a belt in HFC that suits the set really well if you want to go grind it

[strong forum]

Das me with basic bitch tusks, but imagine challenge mode shield

So it comes together very well with gloves chest and legs, not very happy bout boots but can't find good ones

[brittle owl]

imagine playing a troll and not using the canvas shields

[willow scarab]

imagine challenge mode

[strong forum]

I have 0 cuz I had no one to play with

[willow scarab]

Since i'm not playing classic anymore and bfa is boring i should probably go grind old shit like tusks

[strong forum]

Neither mop nor wod

[willow scarab]

The only thing you're really missing is the shield

[strong forum]

Regretting it now

[willow scarab]

set is ugly now and axe is okay

[strong forum]

The mace??

Huhuu

2h

[willow scarab]

i mean true

all 3 of the 2hs are nice

but taeselach or w/e is nicer

[strong forum]

Fuck the glaive thingies

Fuck them so hard

Any fucking wannabe fury running 2x those

Cancer

[exotic spoke]

Belt in HFC - I’ll check it.

What about weapon?

[willow scarab]

slayer of the lifeless is compulsory with skull of ruin

isn't it?

it all matches so well

[strong forum]

Ye if you run t3

You need to use those

Tbh

[exotic spoke]

Slayer of the lifeless?

Let me check

[willow scarab]

the sword and shield in my pic

[strong forum]

The one fumei is using

[willow scarab]

a similar one exists from pvp vendor but not as good

[outer dew]

woah

NSFW

coem on mang

you can't just drop that

[willow scarab]

is that nsfw

i can delete

[undone sun]

preview 👀

[outer dew]

what if someone looking at my

monitor

just this crotch shot

LMAO

[strong forum]

❗ ❗

[willow scarab]

i didn't even consider

[undone sun]

i mean, no but look how much space it takes

[willow scarab]

also just grabbed link without looking at pic

[strong forum]

It isnt

[outer dew]

come on mang

[strong forum]

But it's funny to scream stuff like that

[outer dew]

some dude gonna think i'm into blood elf twinks

:^)

[willow scarab]

you mean you're not?

[strong forum]

That was nelf female tho

[undone sun]

can still link it, just hide preview ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

On my screen atleast

[outer dew]

sorry, i'm one of those guys that only play female toons

even if they're dwarves

[strong forum]

Female dwarf has amazing cast animations

One of the best in the game

Lowkey

[willow scarab]

I don't see a button to hide preview

so you can just look up ravenous girdle in your appearance tab if you need to see the belt

[warm plinth]

It's a tiny x in the corner of the preview

[undone sun]

^

[warm plinth]

Or you can just put the link in < >

[willow scarab]

i don't even have a preview appear

[warm plinth]

You probably have them hidden automatically in your settings

[willow scarab]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=124348/ravenous-girdle&bonus=1801

< > works

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/aW2qjS0.png

boom

@warm plinth my gallery of screenshots

[outer dew]

god, redoing all the quest for the start of 8.2

is actually aids

[warm plinth]

lol

Speaking of which, Thyme why don't you just have link previews off in your settings if they make you angry 😂

[strong forum]

But yeh, @willow scarab coming back from classic to bfa is like a godsend of qol and actual buttons to press

[undone sun]

because then it only affects me

😡

also not all previews are bad

just most

[warm plinth]

So you subject yourself to them for the betterment of all Discord-kind?

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow scarab]

actually

[warm plinth]

You noble bastard

[willow scarab]

warlock had more buttons in classic than prot has in bfa

[undone sun]

i delete a lot of previews in DG

but not all

😉

[willow scarab]

but the qol is my favourite part

[warm plinth]

lol

[willow scarab]

so many unnecessary buttons though

[warm plinth]

I mean picture previews are fine though I don't understand imgur links when people can just post images

[undone sun]

yeah

if the link is only an image

sure

that's the main point

[exotic spoke]

Bulwark is nice though too

[willow scarab]

also classic is all 'muh buttons muh complex class' then raid is corruption + shadow botl for 3 minutes

[warm plinth]

But website previews yeah, needless

[undone sun]

but when it's a link to a page but the embed is giga big

[willow scarab]

so i'm happily done

[undone sun]

😡

[oblique garnet]

What are the affixes on NA?

[undone sun]

also twitter links are fine

that's the main point

[warm plinth]

Uh ,don't forget about Agony Fum, jeez

[undone sun]

https://mythicpl.us/

@oblique garnet

[willow scarab]

you can't agony because of 16 debuff slot limit

[undone sun]

TLDR :Tyrannical Raging Necrotic Beguiling

[warm plinth]

Oh, right

[willow scarab]

muh complex classic experience

[warm plinth]

But that was changed

[willow scarab]

wow was so much harder before

bfa baby

[strong forum]

Same

[willow scarab]

etc etc

[warm plinth]

Because in vanilla it was 8 I believe

[strong forum]

Until 1.7

Or smth

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[willow scarab]

it was 8 slots till like 1.7 or something

[warm plinth]

Is it even limited now?

[strong forum]

No

[warm plinth]

Or probably so high it doesn't matter

[strong forum]

Ye

[willow scarab]

i was a 10 year old that spent 2 years just doing shadowmeld aimed shots up to rank 11

[warm plinth]

Rofl

You were that guy

[willow scarab]

such a bad way to play

but kids like 1 shots

[warm plinth]

Indeed

[willow scarab]

i also had a 49 pyroblast twink with full fire damage gear for the same purpose

[warm plinth]

Just dead for no reason. sees hunter run by

[exotic spoke]

Wow wasn’t harder before.

Players were more shit than they are now

[strong forum]

The only thing hard about vanilla is the amount of tedious-Ness that you had to endure to do anything

[exotic spoke]

And lack of information

[strong forum]

And what riki said

And lack of logic

[willow scarab]

WoW is smoother now and people mistake tedious-ness for difficulty

[undone sun]

same conversation

new day

[strong forum]

Yuo

And it's a great conversation

[exotic spoke]

My guild was the only one on my server - when it wasn’t shit - to kill Huhu the way we did

Everyone else either brute forced it with Mauradon NR gear (since one guild had all green dragons on lock down) or hit that wall and stopped

[willow scarab]

Yeah but I just logged off classic so it's new to me

[strong forum]

Cuz I like shitting on Rose tinted glass nerds

[willow scarab]

I didn't even want to play and thought it was stupid

then the morning of classic i thought ima fuck it and grind

and now that's over

regret missing 2 weeks of TR though

[strong forum]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FairRespectfulDogSquadGoals that was release for me 10min before I alt+f4

[outer dew]

clearly

it's time to become discord streamers

[undone sun]

ez

[willow scarab]

alright almsot 4am

goodnight lads

[strong forum]

Kek

Gnf

[exotic spoke]

Night Fume

[warm plinth]

Discord streaming is fine for like

Just showing some friends

But it has no features

[undone sun]

yeah

it's just an extended version of the screen share in group calls

[warm plinth]

Limited to like 10 viewers, have to talk to your viewers via voice, not text

[strong forum]

Now that I have 2019 Internet twitch is more than 👌

[undone sun]

it works fine

[warm plinth]

And you have to use the pop out player if you want to see your preview while you're streaming

Yeah it's fine, and you can actually stream source

Which is awesome

[exotic spoke]

So what’s the easiest way to get to hellfire citadel?

I’m uh... asking for a friend

[warm plinth]

It's just not how you stream if your goal is to be a streamer (e.g. monetized and shit)

[undone sun]

fly

[strong forum]

Stormshield

Then tanaan jungle Portal

Then ride

If you can't fly

[warm plinth]

I mean, or you could just take the port to Shattrath

[outer dew]

I remember

[warm plinth]

And fly from there

[outer dew]

Greatest thing about hfc

[strong forum]

Or warspear equivalent when youre horde

[exotic spoke]

Thanks Thyme. I - I mean they - have no clue where it is / the flight paths or anything

They didn’t play WoD

[warm plinth]

Oh you mean the raid

I'm stupid

[outer dew]

Didn't have a toon ever fly there

[undone sun]

😄

[outer dew]

Ahahahaha

You have

To fucking swim

Or have someone fly there with a 2 seater

😂 😂 😂

[strong forum]

No?

[warm plinth]

Imagine having Draenor flying

[outer dew]

Imagine

[strong forum]

Tanaan Portal should be open anyway

And then you just run from base X to middle of tanaan jungle

[outer dew]

Just swim

[strong forum]

I know cuz I don't have flying even tho I 'played' wod

[exotic spoke]

Not the original - but all this talk of “imagine” reminded me of one of my favorite covers:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dunKAwRN3P8

[strong forum]

90% of my guild talk is just 'imagine having X'

[outer dew]

https://youtu.be/9ZEURntrQOg

First song I think of

My first shitty MV I made when I was like 10

Was for this song

😂

[exotic spoke]

So stormshoeld to tanaan jungle to run. Got it

I’ll let them know

[warm plinth]

I have the reputation for flying in Draenor because I spent all my TW badges on it

But I still have to do the quest chains and the exploration

[outer dew]

In general

I dont like the achievement locked flying

Make flying cost 5 mil gold tyvm

Real gold sinks right there

[sick sentinel]

so I tested aegis minor in a 21 TD

[warm plinth]

Hard pass on that Tofu; I'd fucking never have flying

[undone sun]

i wouldn't either

but i guess that's his point

making it a prestigious thing

[warm plinth]

I love when they put "gold sink" shit in-game and it's like a ground mount

And I'm like lolwat

[outer dew]

No longer will some noob beg me for flying

Because I cant afford flying

😂 😂 😂 😂

[undone sun]

depends, the grand expedition yak worked

[sick sentinel]

pathfinder is one of the best thing they have done in recent years

[warm plinth]

Well the utility mounts are different

[outer dew]

Until you didn't do the content current

[undone sun]

it put an incentive on something that didn't need an incentive ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer dew]

So you have to go back and farm rep

[warm plinth]

Like if I made a lot of gold, I would definitely go for that longboi

[sick sentinel]

still

[outer dew]

I guess you talking about spider bou

[sick sentinel]

it's good content

[outer dew]

Boi

Is it

[novel temple]

good news товарищs, I rolled for my third and final piece

[outer dew]

Most of the time it's just, walk around and do rep

[undone sun]

"good"

[warm plinth]

There are a lot more than the spider that are gold sink mounts

[undone sun]

also says azerite is good

🙃

[outer dew]

And do the quest you were suppose to do during current

[novel temple]

and i still have 3 bastion of might

[warm plinth]

I think they realized that a 333k frog mount is enough of a gold sink that my broke ass can't buy it

[undone sun]

i spent my last gold on a resub, and i'm not even putting it to use

😄

[warm plinth]

They wanna do a gold sink for prot wars

Let us buy a vendor shield that's 430 ilevel with 0 stats

Except armor/block

😄

[strong forum]

@exotic spoke warspear -> tanaan if horde

[exotic spoke]

Ewwwwww horde

[warm plinth]

Tbh though kinda surprised they haven't really capitalized on vendor xmog gold sinks

[strong forum]

Well shit I don't remember wheremsvt you play

[warm plinth]

And now I'm upset again about the vile fumigator's mask

This is Thyme's fault

[exotic spoke]

Though I guess I could do it on probablyriki at 110

[undone sun]

yup

[strong forum]

Tmog is already a gold sink

What do you mean

I spent like 1k a day on tmog

🙃

[warm plinth]

Do you?

[strong forum]

Ye roughly

[warm plinth]

I mean, 1k a day isn't even a lot to me. And I have like 9k on my main right now

[strong forum]

9k

Big flex

[warm plinth]

Ikr

[strong forum]

I'd be at like -9m

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/iQgKa1B.png

[strong forum]

If not for tokens

[undone sun]

across my entire account

like 20 toons

at least

[outer dew]

SMe

Same

[strong forum]

If tokens weren't a thing

Same

[outer dew]

I'm at 88k gold

And got lazy to sell keys

[undone sun]

i was just never really a big gold maker, never bothered

[warm plinth]

Same

[exotic spoke]

950k right now

I guess technically 1.2m next payout from carries

[strong forum]

This week is giga chill tho, coulda +3d that ur15 if I pulled a bit bigger

[warm plinth]

I can think of like...maybe 2 occasions where I would even have had enough gold to buy a token

And both of those times were right after I bought a token 😂

[undone sun]

i always tried to keep just above a token

but past that

😴

[strong forum]

I buy tokens with 💰

[warm plinth]

If I had a situation where I couldn't afford it, I'd just cancel Nitro and raidbots Patreon 😂

[exotic spoke]

WTF! HAVE YOU SEE THE NEW RECRUIT A FRIEND REWARDS?

[undone sun]

i wasn't going to pay for something i was drastically losing interest in with money

[warm plinth]

No?

If it's not 300% XP while linked idgaf

[undone sun]

haven't paid for the game with money since the tokens

[strong forum]

Too lazy to farm Gold

For anything

[undone sun]

couple times where i had to get a bail out from old GM and another from a friend

[outer dew]

Thh

[exotic spoke]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=295026/revamped-recruit-a-friend-program-and-new-rewards

[outer dew]

Oppisote for me

[exotic spoke]

Look at the first thing!

I feel attacked!!

[outer dew]

I get bored if I have to farm gold

[undone sun]

they were basically the market on my realm cluster, so it wasn't that big of a deal to them

[outer dew]

Lmao

Is it a mongoose too

[strong forum]

Ah new rfa is like a sponsored link

[outer dew]

If that battle pet is a mongoose

[strong forum]

You get bonus shit based on how many people buy gametime with your referral link

[sand egret]

WoW: Pyramid Scheme Edition

[undone sun]

really weighted towards streamers

[exotic spoke]

Looks like a monkey

[outer dew]

I'm still waiting to buy gear

:^)

Sell

Well

Accurate representation then

:^]

[exotic spoke]

WOW RUDE

[sand egret]

my friend gave me 50k gold last night. That is prob more gold than ive ever had on any character, I can finally afford Force Multi!

[warm plinth]

So it doesn't look like you get an XP bonus at all?

[undone sun]

😮

[warm plinth]

Or the summons

[outer dew]

Had a friend give me 200k gold

And told me to stop being poor

[strong forum]

Cata rfa was the best

[outer dew]

😂 😂 😂

[sand egret]

my two friends were talking gold

[exotic spoke]

You also get experience gain btw

[warm plinth]

Oh nvm

It's still 50% and you do have the summoning

[sand egret]

about 80k and like 120k or some shit. Meanwhile i'm just like "i have 6k to my name" and they just were like you poor mofo

[warm plinth]

I mean, I like it. It's definitely more of a recruiting program than a "let me exploit this to level alts faster" program now

[sand egret]

and sent me some shit

[undone sun]

surprised they aren't adding some monetization to the new RaF 😅

[sand egret]

it's a program to try and capture the entrenched effect people have with high-investment games

more people you know who play, more likely you are to keep playing

[warm plinth]

Which I mean is the purpose of a recruitment program anyway. Get more people to play, get people playing with their friends so they keep playing

[sand egret]

but this is specifically catered to getting a group

[warm plinth]

And you get cool xmog and mounts

[sand egret]

the idea is that in this game, having one friend in it doesn't work as well

[warm plinth]

Eh, it incentivizes a group but you can get the rewards with 1 recruit

Just takes longer

[sand egret]

time is an important factor

[outer dew]

Time is money

But is money time?

[sand egret]

if classic taught them anything, is that friends + leveling is a real draw for people

[undone sun]

oh they're also shutting down the old RaF

🤣

[junior ivy]

Gonna cry

Sept 30

So far away

Not fair

[undone sun]

basically a month

🙃

[junior ivy]

I need it for HW now..

[chilly brook]

Gross homework 😜

[exotic spoke]

Ashvane nerf in Hp

[outer dew]

It's over boys

I'm a dick addict

[chilly brook]

Wadu hek

[strong forum]

boss nerfs are starting to roll out eh?

[sick sentinel]

@outer dew I knew it

[exotic spoke]

5% on ashvane

[sick sentinel]

basically completely irrelevant

[strong forum]

5% is huge

[visual hamlet]

Is it a 5% total or is the effective nerf including her shield way more?

[strong forum]

it does result in her shield being lower too

[exotic spoke]

I don’t disagree - I’m just saying that’s what it is

[chilly brook]

If it’s just a 5% hp nerf I don’t see it as that big tbh but I’m small brain

[ripe karma]

Hi. Totally new on here.:) I've been reading the pinned posts and I did a search for necrotic, but I don't see anything comprehensive about it. I know my stacks can get into the mid twenties and I'm usually ok, but I was wondering if there were any tips and tricks I might not know about for dealing with it. Do people use WAs for it?

[chilly brook]

Just watch stacks and kite to drop

[ripe karma]

Ok. That's what we normally do. So, good.

[sick sentinel]

her shield is based on her max health

[ripe karma]

🙂

[exotic spoke]

You get to execute earlier and smaller shield

[sick sentinel]

thing is

how can you not still kill ashvane

[strong forum]

ye so the effective nerf is like what 7.5% or bigger

[chilly brook]

That’s an easy question to answer Kaege

[sick sentinel]

and even if you can't kill ashvane yet, it's not a dps problem

[strong forum]

theres plenty of guilds out there lul

[chilly brook]

Not a consistent roster 🙃

Facts though Nom

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel because some people aren’t as good as others who have already killed it / don’t have necks at 65

[sick sentinel]

...

[strong forum]

theres more guilds that dont have Curve than do

[chilly brook]

I was amazed at how many people couldn’t kill Zek in Uldir

[sick sentinel]

if they can't kill the boss

it's not a dps problem

is a tactics problem

[chilly brook]

Just click on heads

Oh wait wrong game xD

[strong forum]

an hp nerf is making a boss easier

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook my first guild couldn't kill zek in uldir

[strong forum]

even if you want to refuse that thought

[sick sentinel]

even though we did very good damage

[chilly brook]

Wait wat

[strong forum]

my guild struggled 3 weeks on zek

cuz theyre braindead retards

[chilly brook]

Who said it wasn’t making it easier?

[sick sentinel]

the guilds that couldn't kill ashvane

will still be unable to kill her

[strong forum]

if they are 10% off

everytime

they will now

[sick sentinel]

it changed very very little

[strong forum]

you dont need a clean pull to kill ashvane

a somewhat clean pull is needed

with this nerf

you can be quite sloppy

and still make it

and shit guilds arent clean, so this HP nerf will allow room for failure

[exotic spoke]

We’ve had 10-12% wipes. Due to poor performance. A few necks reaching 65, some exposure, and new gear hopefully will help

[strong forum]

its atleast a 7.5% EHP nerf

if you 2 shield

an even bigger nerf if you 3 shield

[exotic spoke]

2 phasing

[weary thorn]

we finally got her down last night after multiple 2% wipes

so should be easier now with a 5% hp nerf

[strong forum]

way easier

[chilly brook]

I feel like a scrub

I’m only doing 20k single target on my BrM monk

But I mean it is also what I’m simming at sooooo at least I’m hitting my “projected” performance

[mystic pilot]

any theorycrafters in here?

[strong forum]

well check on the right of your tab

[mystic pilot]

if so, anyone got some interesting defensive essence builds for M+

[strong forum]

vop + lucid is the most defensive you can go unless you like CD essences

[mystic pilot]

i c them but dont wanna @ them

[chilly brook]

I mean I don’t know how much theory you can craft regarding the essences

[strong forum]

undying gift apparently has some uses on max level keys according to @potent anvil

[chilly brook]

There’s a max level?

[strong forum]

well if nobody has done a 23 id call 22 the max key as of yet @potent anvil

😉

[chilly brook]

Lol

[mystic pilot]

CD essences seem nice for some packs

[chilly brook]

I need a nap

[sick sentinel]

I use undying gift

for fort ml

and fort sots

[chilly brook]

My question is why use a cd essence when you didn’t need it beforehand

[exotic spoke]

Deswind was taking about it earlier today too

[strong forum]

ah ye it was deswind, not late, talking bout it

[chilly brook]

I mean I get that keys obviously went up in difficulty with scaling for this season but so did our available gear

[strong forum]

the jump from 22 to 23 is higher than last seasons

significantly

[chilly brook]

I just meant in general @strong forum unless you’re pushing literally super high keys like that

[strong forum]

15s now are just as easy if not easier than 15s last season

but after say 18s the scaling gets more intense

[sick sentinel]

I also played undying gift in KR

[strong forum]

i can see that

[chilly brook]

I could see it for fort on KR

Cuz fuck Zul

[sick sentinel]

always on fort

[exotic spoke]

As a major?

Interesting interesting

[strong forum]

can defo see that being very good

shit if i ever run KR again this patch ill use that

[mystic pilot]

i've seen dynamo before for similar reasons

[exotic spoke]

UG, vision, + CnS / Aegis / Null?

[strong forum]

tfw still not even 64 🙃

[exotic spoke]

last week I ran mostly Vision major with aegis / null

[strong forum]

i dont even think in 3 essences

[chilly brook]

Tfw not even 63 xD

That 6 week forced break hurt

[strong forum]

gonna be monkaMega when i actually get it ( maybe next week )

[warm plinth]

There are 3 essence slots?

😏

[strong forum]

i just didnt do anything

[chilly brook]

TBH I could just spam islands

But I don’t really feel like it

[strong forum]

ill get 64 tomorrow cuz AK + emissary + chest

and then ill see if i do ap swoop or not for 65

[exotic spoke]

67 next Tuesday probably and then I just won’t care

[strong forum]

imagine caring past 65 at all

[chilly brook]

Oof

[exotic spoke]

Extra stam is really important

[chilly brook]

Off topic but

[exotic spoke]

Like - I’m serious

[strong forum]

âh shit ye 67 gives the 3%

[chilly brook]

New season for rainbow six drops tomorrow, it’s also named Operation Ember Rise

I don’t think Ubi put too much thought into that one

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum Andybrew has done 24 ad in time

[strong forum]

insahne

fuck monks btw

i hate them slowly outdoing us

why's it gotta be monks

why not vdh

theyre atleast fun

and not beyond bis in raids too

[exotic spoke]

Cause anything a VDH does an HDH does better

(Only kinda kidding)

[strong forum]

HDH can be safely deleted

fuck havoc

[warm plinth]

Don't delete me 😢

[chilly brook]

Don’t hate man

Monks haven’t been desirable in m+ up until now really

[strong forum]

delete rogues, mages, monks and havoc

kthx

[chilly brook]

There was like one monk in legion that participated in the mdi and it was because he built the team around himself

And I think monk is fun 😡

[warm plinth]

Monk meaning WW or BrM?

[chilly brook]

BrM

[warm plinth]

Gross

[chilly brook]

You think I DPS lol

[outer dew]

Become a dps BRM

[warm plinth]

You should. WW is hella fun

[chilly brook]

WW is fun

But that would mean I’d have to stop tanking

[warm plinth]

True

[outer dew]

Wdym

You still tank as ww

You gotta taunt karma

[warm plinth]

lol

[outer dew]

Big brain

[chilly brook]

I was gonna say and it would mean I’d have to compete for a melee spot but then again that wouldn’t be too hard

[oblique garnet]

There was prot pally who did 23 and 24 iirc

[outer dew]

Imagine if you could parry as WW in pve

[oblique garnet]

With shadow priest

[chilly brook]

I already have inkpod and coral

[outer dew]

Tbh

Parry with FoF should be baseline

[chilly brook]

Imagine if you had the 100% parry fists of fury pvp talent in pve

[outer dew]

Would be fun

You bitchass

[chilly brook]

Lol 😂

[outer dew]

That's what I said

😂

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet spriest prot pally, rdruid, rogue, hdh I believe

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[chilly brook]

I miss fof stun actually

[outer dew]

Meh, I could do away with FoF stun

Puts stun on DR too easily as a rotation

[exotic spoke]

Lebean I believe you’re talking about. They run prot warrior some times too

[chilly brook]

I don’t miss tigereye brew

[exotic spoke]

It’s who my group goes to if we need ideas

[warm plinth]

Yeah FoF stun is meh when no Warbringer 😢

[chilly brook]

I miss warbringer too

I miss chi for BrM

[outer dew]

So Riki, ready to spam some 10s with me this week

:^)

[exotic spoke]

If I get a chance tofu sure

[outer dew]

Goal in life would to be avoid healing you

Big brain

Only dps

[warm plinth]

Can't heal in necrotic week with the size of pulls Rikki is gonna od in a +10 anywway 😏

[exotic spoke]

Lol you think I’m going defensive in a 10?

[outer dew]

Wdym

I bop riki

And cry because he doesnt have cancel bop macro

😂 😂 😂

All my tanks got a cancel bop macro on taunt

[exotic spoke]

Who doesn’t have a cancel bop macro?

[warm plinth]

Me

[exotic spoke]

I’ve had that since vanilla

[warm plinth]

Because havoc

😄

[exotic spoke]

Well - what real tanks don’t have a cancel bop macro

[warm plinth]

Oof

My pally has one

[chilly brook]

I don’t just click it off 4head 🙃

[warm plinth]

The funny thing is my havoc never needs BoP. My Darkness RNG is legit broken.

Tank died on 17 WCM Soul Goliath and I popped Darkness and ate a crush with no doubt in my mind 😂

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[ionic fern]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[warm plinth]

you're a legplate of profane sacrifice

[exotic spoke]

Dude those are like 455 sockets

Grats on the huge upgrade mwahi

[ionic fern]

[undone sun]

nice

big leech

[warm plinth]

3% leech 💪

[undone sun]

👀

what is the stat to 1% for leech

[warm plinth]

40

[undone sun]

neat

[warm plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/618862573001113620/unknown.png

[sick sentinel]

I got 450 boots with 100 leech

so like I have it on actual useful item

[undone sun]

the only time to actually be happy for leech

[warm plinth]

#savage

[sick sentinel]

exactly

[exotic spoke]

435 howler with leech.

So - not too bad. Highest Ilvl trinket that’s useful so far

[warm plinth]

You're a 435 howler with leech

@outer dew is a 455 socketed butcher block with leech

[exotic spoke]

I want that >.>

[warm plinth]

@outer dew Riki wants you

[exotic spoke]

Giggity

[outer dew]

Oh bby, I'm only there for ghash

😤

[exotic spoke]

!!!

[novel temple]

oh god, two of my azerite pieces have reckless furry/meticulous scheming

and ill still have 3 BoM with it

should i go with reck furry and devastator, even with a 445 zaquul weapon?

[undone sun]

weapon wouldn't really determine it, to know for sure

sim it

[warm plinth]

Yeah my question would be why would it matter if you had the zaquul weapon

Wouldn't that just make reck/deva better?

[undone sun]

likely

[novel temple]

yeah double reck furry is about 1.4k increase without picking devastator

[warm plinth]

Well Devastator and RF are exclusive. They both basically do the same thing, so they work well together, but one does not make the other better.

[sick sentinel]

zaqul weapon makes RF a lot better @undone sun

[undone sun]

k

[sick sentinel]

and also zaqul weapon makes deva even better

for st

so

@novel temple if all you are a after is ST dps then just sim

[exotic spoke]

Hot

But also creepy

[outer dew]

Dang

Take me instead

[bright jolt]

for m+ should i worry about ilvl > Azerite or Azerite > ilvl

btw the ilvl is between 450- 430

[exotic spoke]

Ilvl as a general guide line

[bright jolt]

i have 3 bastion of might one deafening crash and 2 iron fortress for the azerite traits

[novel temple]

well im trying to decide if i want to go with pure single target or just focus on aoe

[bright jolt]

but i have 2 445 pieces with ok traits

[novel temple]

im feeling the meticulous and a brace for impact

for an even balance

and then just bitting the bullet and reforging for raid parses

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tXE8GALyw6Z7qywAr1MvDE

[exotic spoke]

I mean those are good. @bright jolt but in general Ilvl is better for survival

[novel temple]

oof, wrong one

[bright jolt]

ok ty

[outer dew]

i mean

for most people

survivability isn't the reason why you aren't timing keys

it's that people don't know what's gonna kill them

😂

[sick sentinel]

my guild tells me prot warr is fucked tis this true?

[outer dew]

i got double fisted by 2x casters, i need more survivability

😂

what does that even mean

[exotic spoke]

Like - in what case are they talking about @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

mythic plus

[exotic spoke]

We are very solid tanks suitable for all content.

Especially mythic plus

[sick sentinel]

hmm they said we got nerfed

[exotic spoke]

We did a while ago and it was minor

[sick sentinel]

oh wtf lol ok cool

[distant crystal]

[exotic spoke]

In the grand scheme of things it was a minor loss to our dps.

[novel temple]

it was minor in the grand scheme of things

but they gutted a talent

that we still use

and we're still on top

[exotic spoke]

Because it’s still really good

[novel temple]

I WAS GETTING THERE DEAR

❤

[warm plinth]

I mean tbf it was a significant nerf, but it didn't change our standing really

[exotic spoke]

❤

A portion of it was likely preventative

[novel temple]

the step from 50 to 30* was preventative *(edited 20 to the right number of 30)

[warm plinth]

Meaning they wanted to get ahead of future gear scaling?

Is that what you guys mean by preventative

[novel temple]

yup

[exotic spoke]

I think more so getting ahead of vision of perfection and yes Rolly

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah that too

[novel temple]

honestly tofu thats the only time i die

if its like 4 casters in shrine

[warm plinth]

Teach DPS how to kick

[exotic spoke]

More reflects / group needs to coordinate CCs / kicks

[warm plinth]

Ez

[novel temple]

and nothing gets kicked, ccedd, and spell reflect is on CD

also i saw how they do that snapping stuff for that pull

[exotic spoke]

Sounds like a dps problem

[novel temple]

im wanting to try it

its always a dps problem

[exotic spoke]

Nah - sometimes it’s a healing problem

[outer dew]

it's usually a dps problem

lol

dumbfucks standing in random shit

[warm plinth]

Snapping is very handy in some situations

[outer dew]

making me heal 40k hps for no reason

[warm plinth]

I still think it's funny that snapping is relatively widespread now, but they fixed the one well-known snap in Legion hella fast

[outer dew]

once i unlock the zone for mechagon

can i just go in?

[warm plinth]

Into the dungeon?

[outer dew]

yea

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[outer dew]

aite

[warm plinth]

My paladin hasn't done shit on Mecha besides the little intro quest and he can go in

[novel temple]

you're right, healers not being able to heal 4-5 stacks of bursting is a healer problem

[outer dew]

need to do that shit for visions

[novel temple]

but this week i got a 16 freehold out of my chest so im ready to pump

[outer dew]

it depends

lol

[warm plinth]

This week's worst part is voids

[outer dew]

if you were full retard

and went

1 wait full

2 wait full

3 wait full

then burst 6 full

and make me burn my CDS

to heal fuck all and ramp it up

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 5 stacks that were accumulated by constant last second refreshes is a lot different than 5 instant stacks

[novel temple]

oh no, i mean 5 instant stacks

[warm plinth]

If you bitch about 5 instant stacks idk what to tell you

Our healer doesn't even say anything about bursting until we're about to refresh a 5 to a 6 or something 😂

[novel temple]

i stop dpsing mobs if we're on high stacks

[outer dew]

bursting is a non issue

[novel temple]

but dps like to mongoloid

[outer dew]

unless you full retard

and stagger

healing 9-10 stacks isn't even bad

[late bramble]

^

[outer dew]

if you don't stagger

[late bramble]

bursting is really a dps affix

[exotic spoke]

5 insta stacks is easy

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean we wiped out the first room in Shrine and I don't even think we had anyone die

And that's like...16 I think?

Maybe not that many; idr

[outer dew]

lmao

when slimes had bursting

oml

[warm plinth]

That would be terrible. Like 8-10 slimes to a pack

I didn't do Shrine more than a couple times when that was still a thing and idk if I ever did it on bursting that I remember

[outer dew]

insta dying to sanguine

bless

[exotic spoke]

The mobs before boss 3 in ToS each drop multiple stacks of sanguine still

[outer dew]

that one is always ufnny

[exotic spoke]

They don’t burst though

[warm plinth]

I dared my group to stand in the initiate pool

Hunter turtled and ran in -_-

[outer dew]

do the initiates

still give necrotic?

[exotic spoke]

Yes

[sand egret]

in ToS? yes

[outer dew]

sad

[sand egret]

scaled necrotic

but necrotic

[exotic spoke]

I got to 99 stacks 3 times and the fourth time I was at 70 - all in one time through that pull

[warm plinth]

Wait, yyou mean the conscripts?

[outer dew]

whatever they're called

[warm plinth]

Shrine = initiates, ToS = conscripts :p

[exotic spoke]

The gauntlet in ToS?

[outer dew]

potato potato

same thing

[exotic spoke]

I’m excited for this week

[sand egret]

snek room lil' dudes apply it, but scaled down as they aren't elites. Same %healing reduction, but the DoT that comes with it isn't as rough (which is why getting 99 stacks isn't just like instadeath)

[warm plinth]

Same. Not as excited as I was for last week but it should be another decent one

[exotic spoke]

And voids right? - so I get to hide like a bitch while tanking a lot of things

[sand egret]

yep void week

[outer dew]

well

you know what's bless

my paladin is a human

rep gain 4 days bby

btw, is the only way to get rep for rustbuckets

just farm rares for 10 years

still?\

[warm plinth]

Or have the recipe for the rep token from the paragon chest lol

[sick sentinel]

deafening crash still top?

[undone sun]

not enough to stack, but still good

sure

[warm plinth]

If using BV and for the first trait, yes.

[exotic spoke]

Get a contract Tofu

[sick sentinel]

i meant bastion osrry

[undone sun]

then yes

[outer dew]

the contracts

require friendly

TOXIC

[exotic spoke]

Dark moon fair is up

Get that rep buff

[quaint hare]

Anyone run an atal +10 or higher this week yet?

[exotic spoke]

Which emissary are you having issues with?

[quaint hare]

the tides after 2nd boss, last week i was able to pull the saurids without pulling it, but cant seem to get it to work this week

[exotic spoke]

Can have someone CC it while you blow up the skyscreamer

Or if you have a shaman - tremor totem and burn skyscreamer

[quaint hare]

hmm true, i used berserker rage, but my team wiped pretty hard before they all left lmao

[outer dew]

clearly it's big brain

to LoS the fear

[quaint hare]

^^^

pugs are sad times

[crystal hemlock]

430 urchin or 420 refracting for m+?

[warm plinth]

Urchin imo

So we learned something about tides last week btw. If you have mobs on different Z coordinates from the tides emissary in some places, you can actually force the aura to go away. Like if you're in UR in Crawg's room, if you pull a pack up on to the little upward inclines around the room, the tides aura drops off and you can CC/interrupt like normal. Not sure if anyone had already known that or whatever but thought it worth mentioning.

Our guess was that that's how they fixed the tides aura affecting mobs on the floor above them, e.g. in WCM in some places

[exotic spoke]

In ToS - last pack before first boss - we’ve been able to interrupt the faster.

I think they were in same plane but not sure

[warm plinth]

Yeah, we have experienced that as well; the caster and the little pup are out of the aura initially

We didn't really try to reproduce what we found in UR but we figured it was the same concept.

[potent anvil]

This was seen during MDI in shrine. Altho many people were still not aware of it.

[warm plinth]

Can actually get lucky sometimes and kick the first heal

[potent anvil]

Secret tides strats

[warm plinth]

Oh, okay. I figured at least some folks knew about it already. I'm sure it can be handy in some places.

UR room is actually a perfect example of where it might be useful if you can consistently reproduce it, since it enables you to pull lashers with tides with no negatives

[exotic spoke]

Tides after second boss in AD - use the stairs

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if it's that easy, you could do that. But it seemed like the tides had to be uphill of the mobs (at least, that's how we've seen it so far) so it might require some repositioning. But still makes a world of difference if you can kick those venom blasts

[exotic spoke]

I mean that’s easy - HDH pulls the tides up the stairs a little with a taunt

[warm plinth]

For sure. Just saying it might actually take thought, unlike the UR one

Which legit just happens without even trying

[sand egret]

🤔

bet the aura doesn't extend to a negative Y value

[warm plinth]

Well, I won't say 100% that it has to be uphill, since we didn't actually mess around and test with it

Those are just the circumstances where we noticed it

[sand egret]

well that the takeaway is that the aura does respect transform ....

[exotic rapids]

Vision Rank 1 or Anima/Crucible Rank 3 for m+?

[warm plinth]

Why do you only have rank 1 man, r2 is so easy (says the guy who only has r1 on his pally)

[exotic rapids]

because I am only playing again since 2 weeks and didn´t have the time for mechagon the first week 😦

[sand egret]

woah no essence shaming

[warm plinth]

I'm just giving you shit. You want Vision somewhere, so if you only have the first essence slot, you should have vision in it.

[exotic rapids]

and most likely will only go again tuesday next ID 😦

[outer dew]

aite

there's no fucking way

[warm plinth]

If you have two, I would use Crucible with vision minor

[outer dew]

i have to pull 40k hps each pull in a mythic mechagon

i'm getting trolled

[warm plinth]

Since it's tyr week

[outer dew]

or is this the new norm?

[sand egret]

mythic mechagon?

[warm plinth]

Like the dungeon?

[outer dew]

or just

the dungeon

[warm plinth]

Your group is fucking up bad

Like 95% of the trash damage in there is avoidable

[outer dew]

like i know i' m 420

[sand egret]

mechagon is a dungeon full of "gotcha" mechanics

[outer dew]

but there's no way

i should be having to pump 40k hps

[warm plinth]

If someone gets smacked with Shockwave, they will feel it

[sand egret]

yep

[outer dew]

consistently in order to not have everyone die

lmao

[warm plinth]

Likewise the whirlwind thing on the bots

[sand egret]

stand in gryo-scrap

[warm plinth]

Yeah that thing

[sand egret]

not LoS the slimes

[outer dew]

was starting to worry for my sanity

lmao

[sand egret]

not kicking Enlarge/Overclock

standing in Rapid Fire

[warm plinth]

You can also purge both of those, it's worth noting

[sand egret]

list goes on

[exotic spoke]

Pro strat - don’t kick enlarge if you have a mage. Let them spell steal it

[warm plinth]

Or if someone steps on your shrunk party member XD

Though I think that's a guaranteed 1 shot

[sand egret]

i'm going under the assumption that no "pro strats" were involved in this attempt

[warm plinth]

Yeah were you pulling like huge? Or just casual one pack at a time?

Or what

[exotic spoke]

I wonder if you could reflect shrink

[warm plinth]

I don't think it targets the tank

[exotic spoke]

what if everyone’s a tank

[warm plinth]

:surprisedPikachu:

[outer dew]

like one at a time

[warm plinth]

Yeah your group is fucking up then

[sand egret]

yep

[warm plinth]

Kick grasping hex on shamans, don't stand in shit, easy game

[sand egret]

some of the trash will hit hard on a lower geared tank, but if you're healing your dps just as hard...it's pretty clear lol

[warm plinth]

We don't even bother kicking overclock or enrage most of the time anymore, but depends on average ilevel of your group

And ilevel of your tank

Think of the entire dungeon like a mage tower challenge. Everything is hunky dory until you miss a mechanic and then people die.

[outer dew]

good ole glimmer paladin

never run out of mana

[sand egret]

just pull the entire run up to Kujo and see who runs behind the pipe. You'll see which dps know what's up

[warm plinth]

LUL

I'm the guy Eye Beaming from right next to the pipe

So they all blow up at once

😄

[exotic spoke]

Just fear them right as they are casting their explosion and it’s cancelled

[warm plinth]

Why you bringing pro strats to a regular mythic Riki smh

[exotic spoke]

Cause that’s my job

[warm plinth]

Does it have to be a disorient or does a stun work?

[exotic spoke]

I know fear works. Don’t think stuns work

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[outer dew]

are sprocket drops dependent on if oyu have trinket or not

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming you mean the punchcards? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure they're just part of the loot table

[distant crystal]

no

[outer dew]

so they'll still drop

[warm plinth]

Should, yes

[outer dew]

if i hadn't done the quest for them?

[vestal kiln]

do you mean the sprockets for vision of perfection?

[outer dew]

for the trinket

because everyone else

has gotten like 2-3

[warm plinth]

They're just RNG

[outer dew]

and i haven't gotten a single drop

[vestal kiln]

just bad rng then

[outer dew]

aite

just a sanity check

[warm plinth]

Sometimes we'll get 1 punchcard the whole run; other times it seems like we're drowning in them

[outer dew]

we're drowning in them

just not me

:^)

are they tradeable?

or personal?

[vestal kiln]

can be traded

[warm plinth]

They're both. They can be traded via the 2 hour window

They are soulbound though

[vestal kiln]

they also dont seem to follow standard loot trade rules, in that you can trade a higher ilvl piece than what you have previously equipped

had a buddy get a TF one and he traded it no probs

[warm plinth]

Maybe because they aren't, in themselves, equippable?

[vestal kiln]

yeah exactly, even though they have an ilvl they are treated like gems

[distant crystal]

i've had them be untradable before

when it was lower ilvl than the one i had in my trinket, idk what the logic is there

[warm plinth]

What color card did he trade Mindful?

[vestal kiln]

did it drop from a boss to be untradeable? the ones we traded were all trash

[sand egret]

they're different rules between boss drops and trash

fyi

[warm plinth]

Blues would be irrelevant since afaik they're always 404

[outer dew]

is there even

a reason to farm mechagon

outside of getting your perfection

lmao

[exotic spoke]

The cape so you can be Trashmaster

[vestal kiln]

"content"

[warm plinth]

The cape is THE reason to farm Mechagon

Vision is just a byproduct

[outer dew]

the heearthstone one?

[exotic spoke]

Mechagon fun. I like the hardmode challenge and reward (perfection I mean)

It’s a nice dungeon

[warm plinth]

Nah, it gives you the title of Trashmaster

[outer dew]

i see

yes

[warm plinth]

And you go turn it in to Jani to get it permanently

[outer dew]

but is it worth more than once?

[vestal kiln]

farming to get the parachute blue card

nothing better than doing ashvane and seeing 5 people proc parachutes cos they didnt dodge upsurge

[exotic spoke]

Getting the rings is very good too

Getting rank 3 visions: mount

[outer dew]

there's am ount?

[exotic spoke]

Yes - if you do hard mode you get a mount

Don’t have to do a perfect run - just hard mode

[outer dew]

sounds miserable

i didn't even get the mount

from kara

lmao

[sick sentinel]

@outer dew hi

[outer dew]

sup

[exotic spoke]

I enjoyed both Kara and mecha - I think dungeons like them are good additions

[warm plinth]

I'm the last person in my group to get the mount lol

Well, the last person that was part of the initial HM clear

[sick sentinel]

I just run with random people

[warm plinth]

I agree; I love them

I'm super excited for Mecha to go M+

[sick sentinel]

same

[exotic spoke]

I think some balancing will need to be done for that but I agree

[warm plinth]

Be interesting to see if they leave the vent gauntlet unchanged

[exotic spoke]

That’s easy mode - one person can swap blaster those that fail

[outer dew]

someone

google what weapon enchant

[warm plinth]

I think the part that will kill PUGs are the slime boss and the garden boss

[outer dew]

hpal uses now for me

in this dungeon

slime boss i just healed through

wasn't too bad

[warm plinth]

Yeah but you're gonna have people getting gooped and then other people not getting them out of it

[exotic spoke]

I see the garden boss as a glorified trash mob

[warm plinth]

Or bots getting gooped and no one getting them out

Yeah but the plant is gonna truck people on high keys, and there's still a ton of stuff to dodge, which we all know PUGs suck at

[outer dew]

like yikes

look at that damage done

[warm plinth]

That's disgusting

[outer dew]

it was worse

[warm plinth]

What ilevel are those two DPS?

[outer dew]

the fuck i know

i just joined a gorup

butt i know one thing

their hp is higher than mine

and i have 240k hp

at 415

lmao