but it was more of a safety measure
#protection
potent anvil
You snap on either ledge on the bottom of vol'kaal's stairs/bridge. So you can essentially pull without ever touching the tides. But both snaps I didn't have wall since there was a pull prior to snapping that required me to use it. For AD specifically, I tend to like sphere major since it helps mitigate Rezan during bleed pretty nicely as well as reducing saurid damage significantly.
sick sentinel
I just run vop everywhere
even though I did TD again today
and I had problems kiting
it was only the first pull
warm plinth
Btw Des I wasn’t saying the major for VoP was required. I was saying just having VoP somewhere.
sick sentinel
and just t hat
warm plinth
Was probably always a good idea
sick sentinel
sphere major might be good but I still won't use it
warm plinth
It’s pretty cool that the convo that started when I went to bed continued a bit before I woke up though XD
sick sentinel
the only reason I had problems kiting was because my healer used vortex on the enchanted emmi
and not on the pack I was kiting
potent anvil
Having VoP in a slot is pretty much mandatory, at least for m+. The major slot has flexibility depending on what you plan on doing. Sphere and Undying Gift (imo) pretty much contests that spot for specific dungeons.
sick sentinel
I've never even considered undying gift tbh
potent anvil
It's an extra shield wall and it's not on the GCD as well. It's pretty potent.
So you can use it as extending your shield wall in big pulls.
warm plinth
Yeah for sure. I think I just wasn’t clear enough. My initial comment was directed at the fact that guy said C&S > Aegis > Null/VoP/Undying Gift, implying you’d swap among the last 3
sick sentinel
Isn't it like 40 sec cd as well
potent anvil
45s, yeah.
sick sentinel
Should consider it for ml
Because I can't tank mechs
A 19 ml broke our group
Healer went offline
warm plinth
I bet charged claw tingles on 19 fort
potent anvil
No one can tank peacekeapers, monkaS.
I did 3 on a 21 this week, and I just kited 
sick sentinel
I just can't get a hold of a good route
potent anvil
It's not so much of routing, but really dependent on how aggressive you chain pull the beginning.
sick sentinel
She did a ml without me with a brm and he did literally all the mechs
And then she couldn't get why I couldn't do them
potent anvil
Oh maybe brew can do it. I dunno, I typically tank 2 at a time, but you want to attempt to desync them via energy shield. And chain as soon as one is about to die so you're not stuck with just 1 peacekeeper.
sick sentinel
I just stunned all the jockeys
And then we didn't have enough %
Thing is
The thing that killed the entire day was deaths to missiles on last boss
I kept it in the middle and was calling out when missiles was coming out
She wanted to go to the safe spot but she never used it and kept dying idk
potent anvil
There are 3 known dead zones in which you'll never get hit by missiles. I commonly use one for the melee stack, and the range/healer stack at the top of the stairs. So the only thing people have to worry about is living thru gatling or avoiding it while still getting into safety.
warm plinth
We use the stairs for everyone but we also eat all the homing missiles which I’m not sure you can do at you guys levels
sick sentinel
I told her to use the safe spot
On the stairs
While we use the one on the left
But she was like "but gatling gun"
potent anvil
Yeah, that's the common strat. Healer has to live thru gatling, which is typically easier as a resto druid.
The other way is to have the healer stack with the melee and run out before missiles.
Or the big missile, rather.
sick sentinel
That's what we did
warm plinth
If they run to the opposite direction as it passes them, you only take one tick of the gun
sick sentinel
But she kept dying
warm plinth
So as long as one tick isn’t death, should be easy
sick sentinel
To micromissiles
warm plinth
🤦
None of the girls I play with can do 21s lol
Except one maybe. But she runs keys with us XD
Our big thing in ML is thug charges. Sucks when one DPS gets nailed by 2 or 3 at the same time
empty inlet
you cant pull 3 thugs or 2 thugs with jocky
potent anvil
I did 3 thugs, you can't stop me. Just don't die to rng
warm plinth
Lul
Just bring luck with me, got it
Mag'har woyer is 101 guys. Almost there!
It's hurting my soul doing MoP dungeons over and over but I can do it
sick sentinel
@empty inlet the only thing that limits your pulls are vendors and mechs
warm plinth
I wish they'd put a CD on iced spritzer. It's so obnoxious when the same vendor casts it 3 times in a row
sick sentinel
interrupt it and frost lock it
warm plinth
interrupts only lock for 3-4 seconds depending on spec, so they can still cast it again shortly after
sick sentinel
thing is
you need all 5 people to come to melee
if you have a ranged or a healer stay in range
they are what's killing you
empty inlet
wdym 3 thugs charge litertly kills you on a 22
empty inlet
what levle key are you even oding
sick sentinel
21
empty inlet
on fort
sick sentinel
ya
empty inlet
that striaght up kills you
sick sentinel
they charge random people
they rarely charge the same person
if all 5 are in range
potent anvil
I triple thug, 2 mech pull in my 21 this week. No one died, it's pretty RNG. But there's not much you can do since you don't really wanna be slow in the beginning.
feral gulch
we are starting zaquul today, any tipps for a warrior offtank (i think ill have to offtank with our monk maintanking, at least thats the plan for now)?
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure you should be MTing if that's the fight I'm thinking it is
warm plinth
Yeah isnt' that the one that has the huge magic hit on the OT?
sand egret
my guide will be out next week
haha yeah it's the one that chains
i'd imagine the warrior is the move for the upfront mit
but i guess damage cadence isn't the worst on the OT if a bunch of dodges come into play
empty patrol
It fellt really uncomfortabel as OT with a DK in my last raid (on hc that was). Switched it up so I took the normal hits, worked far smoother - or at least it felt like it
oblique garnet
You can do that with monk OT aswell
sick sentinel
Sure
warm plinth
o_o;
warm plinth
Better stay off that phone; it's gotta last you 😂
junior ivy
I'll keep driving around to charge it lol
weary thorn
That's dedication to the discord craft
strong forum
Get some power banks
junior ivy
I have one it's dead though lol
outer dew
Photosynthesis some power
outer dew
Yeap
I love tofu
😍 😍 😍
Whether its fried tofu, tofu pudding, tofu in soup, stinky tofu, etc.
One of my favorite/basic ass ways I eat tofu
Is cubing tofu and frying in peanut oil
And I get some olive oil
Chop some scallions
Microwave for 30-45 seconds
Little bit salt, sugar, fish sauce and powdered chicken broth
And just slather fried tofu with it
Hella easy, cheap, and tasty tbh
Have that over a bed of rice with some boiled bok choy and soy sauce?
Tasty
sick sentinel
That's canibalism
outer dew
Tbh. If someone told me I'd have to become a vegetarian, bless being asian then
Tbh. If I had a steady stream of cheap and tasty fish around me
I'd probably be a pescatarian
But white super market fish lack variety and always hella pricy
warm plinth
I tried the tofu at Chipotle and liked it
outer dew
Tbh
That's actually one of the things I like at chipotle
The carne asada and chicken at chipotle is too dry to me
And surprisingly the tofu is lit
In all honesty, most people who dislike tofu
Are either retarded and eat it uncooked
Or refuse to add seasoning so it soaks up flavor
warm plinth
Or c. have just never tried it and assume it's gross XD
warm plinth
Honestly the sofritas at Chipotle just tastes like scrambled eggs with a little kick
sick sentinel
I've never tried eating @outer dew tbh
warm plinth
I eat Tofu all the time 😉
outer dew
Yeap. Tofu taste whatever you season it with a little bit of bean taste
Oooh baby
😍 😍
junior ivy
I tried it as a "meat substitute" and hated it but I think if I tried it as its own thing I'd like it
junior ivy
Does that make sense
outer dew
You cant go eating things as a substitute
sick sentinel
@junior ivy it does
outer dew
If you expect tofu to taste like a burger and cook it like a burger
You're just setting yourself up for failure
junior ivy
Like its obviously not as good as meat so itll always be disappointing if you're seeing it as meat substitute
warm plinth
If you want a non-meat burger, black bean burgers are the way to go; so good
outer dew
Tofu is tofu
junior ivy
I just like meat burgers with meat
outer dew
It's not a substitute for meat
warm plinth
I mean, yeah
sick sentinel
Lmao
warm plinth
I'm just saying if you were vegetarian or something
outer dew
Nah, but why buy something with the intent to taste like meat if you're vegetarian
Ya know
sick sentinel
I would suggest a solution
outer dew
Like if you told me it's a vegetarian dish, I'll be happy to eat it
sick sentinel
For your power problems
outer dew
But I'd you told me it's a replacement for a burger or a sausage
sick sentinel
But I can't here
junior ivy
Cause most vegetarians like the taste of meat but just dont eat it fir ethical reasons
So makes sense they want substituted
outer dew
Then I have the expectation of it having flavor profiles similar
sick sentinel
Because meat is tasty
outer dew
Are no longer tasting like meat
You ain't lasting if your expectation is for things to taste like meat
😂
junior ivy
Yeah I dont like vegetarian dishes but dishes that happen to not have meat are fine
junior ivy
Making a meat dish vegetarian doesnt work but lots of dishes are naturally vegetarian and good
outer dew
But if some fucker minced tofu, fried it, and put it in a burger
I'd be like
????????
The fuck
junior ivy
Fuckin hurricane ruining my day
outer dew
Ahh
junior ivy
Hurricane Dorian
warm plinth
cat, I've legit had black bean burgers that I could not distinguish from the real thing. If you get one that's made right, you might as well be eating a normal burger
outer dew
I mean
warm plinth
I mean obviously if I looked at it or took it apart I could, but taste-wise it was indistinguishable
outer dew
Problem with black bean burgers
Would be texture for me
It doesnt have the spring or caramelization factor
warm plinth
Yeah, that's true
junior ivy
To me it's just pointless
outer dew
But I'd be eating it in the aspect that its tasty
junior ivy
Ilk eat regular meat
outer dew
And not that it's a burger
warm plinth
I mean, some people don't eat meat though lol
warm plinth
The few times I've eaten one it was because they had them as like a vegetarian option, but there were no actual burgers
outer dew
:^)
warm plinth
So I ate one
warm plinth
lul
I could never be a vegetarian though, and DEFINITELY never a vegan, because cheese
outer dew
I mean, therea a pretty good vegan spot near me
I wouldn't full time vegan
But some of the dishes they make are pretty tasty
Not on the premise of that its vegan, but that the food they make is tasty
warm plinth
Yeah
outer dew
Like was surprised how good their cheesecake was
Even though, ya know, no cheese
Tbh
I think its harder for me to go no carb than it is to go vegetarian
warm plinth
Yeah, i tried to do that keto thing for a bit. Then realized that literally every food I love is a carb
outer dew
I mean
warm plinth
And there aren't no-carb/low carb options for a lot of them
outer dew
I probably could
But itd be like a month of hell
Lmao
I mean, noodles, having zucchini or daikon isnt bad
Been planning to make some pho with some daikon noodles
Sounds pretty tasty to me
But yes, sometimes you just want wheat and carbs
And growing up with eating everything with rice
Big struggle
Like I've eaten bananas with rice, bacon and rice, a cheese burger with rice
Personal favorite is fried chicken and rice
😤
junior ivy
I did keto for 6 months, lost weight but reslied I lose just as much eating moderate carb but counting calories
Lost almost 140 lbs
I love carbs
sick sentinel
@junior ivy check dms
junior ivy
Lk
sick sentinel
Cat is friend
outer dew
You send them to friends? Sheesh
Spooky AF
@warm plinth
This could be us
But you playing
sick sentinel
LMAO
warm plinth
lol!
warm plinth
Nope
sick sentinel
You're a fire noodle
outer dew
But I the kind of person to refuse to lose to spice
junior ivy
I want to try them
outer dew
I'd drink a gallon of water to finish a spicy dish
junior ivy
I love spicy noodles
warm plinth
I don't mind spicy if it tastes good but I'm not interested in ahving a numb mouth for no reason
junior ivy
I agree ghash
outer dew
You put a little sesame seed on them
junior ivy
I love spicy indian food
outer dew
With chopped seaweed
Bless
they pretty tasty in my books
but it depends on how much spice you can handle
btw wtf FB
coming in like 10 years late with facebook dating
junior ivy
Lol I saw that fb dating thing the other day. Weird
undone sun
Hmmm
undone sun
Can be good, haven't really cooked with it but it appears in dishes at the local Japanese restaurants we go to
outer dew
I see, I see
WELL
bless
i forgot who were the people
that were offended by the fact I found tofu tasty
undone sun
I don't dislike it
undone sun
Hi
outer dew
bless, good. Being disliked by thyme would be sad times
oh shit
the discord stream function works here?
undone sun
Yeah
outer dew
can watch people stream that wow now
warm plinth
I'll stream for you bb
sick sentinel
Lewd
exotic spoke
sup
junior ivy
Hi riki
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend!
junior ivy
Phones at 31% 😭
exotic spoke
Rip!
undone sun
Rip
warm plinth
Mag’har is 105 and I’m starting to cry inside about the TW ahead
oblique garnet
its mop tw those are not too bad
warm plinth
I think Mists ones are the worst honestly lol
warm plinth
Like difficulty? Or just general enjoyment?
sick sentinel
enjoyment
undone sun
If enjoyment, all are worst
oblique garnet
BC>Wrath>Cata=Mop>Wod
warm plinth
I'd say for me, it's Cata>WotLK>BC>MoP
sick sentinel
is wod actually the best
warm plinth
I didn't rank WoD because I've literally never done WoD
sick sentinel
it's the one I haven't done
warm plinth
Even the regular dungeons
oblique garnet
Did you fail at math kage
warm plinth
Lulllll
sick sentinel
sorry
I was making a list in my mind like that
wait
wait
wait
do you like tbc tw
oblique garnet
yes
warm plinth
Yeah
undone sun
I havent done it for TW but when they were current they were competent
warm plinth
BC and WotLK are really close for me
BC is lower just because the dungeons are insanely long for the most part
warm plinth
MoP is easily my least favorite by a mile
sick sentinel
I like it until I get fucking blood furnace or whatever
warm plinth
Just because I don't like the dungeons, and there's too much RP in one of them
Er, actually two of them
Shado-Pan has some annoying RP too
sick sentinel
and then the tanks start falling over and getting stunned randomly
warm plinth
And the stupid part where you fight all the novices
sick sentinel
or like, that one boss that's stun immune
or like alcatraz or whatever where people just leave
undone sun
Yeh
warm plinth
Is Alcatraz that famous that even European people know about it? lol
Or did you just guess how it was spelled
sick sentinel
I prefer Wotlk TW over anything else
warm plinth
Yeah the only bad one in WotLK is Pit
undone sun
POS is a POS
sick sentinel
Wotlk>Cata>TBC=MoP and I haven't done wod more than once with every character
I got my infinite timewaster in WoD TW though]
undone sun
Pit was fine with a competent group because of all the skips
warm plinth
We had one of those in my group yesterday
undone sun
But as soon as you had an idiot
warm plinth
It was nice
undone sun
It was terrible
warm plinth
Every time I have to kill the trash leading up to the cave I get triggered
undone sun
You could skip like 90% of trash
warm plinth
Yeah, like everyone pulls that shit at the star that you can skip
sick sentinel
^^
gritty stream
Wahts a good way to see whether or not im doing a good job tanking?
warm plinth
Have knowledgeable people inspect your logs.
gritty stream
now that is a good suggestiong
also, im using hekili addon to help with rotation, is this a good idea or is there a better alternative
gritty stream
gotcvha
warm plinth
It’s just not a good idea to get into a routine of staring at an addon when as a tank there are a lot of situations where you need to adapt on the fly. Easy to get tunnel vision when an addon gives you all the information
gritty stream
ok
subtle atlas
Hey guys any sim for prot ?
warm plinth
For DPS, yes.
subtle atlas
yea but for tanking any google sheets or something ?
sick sentinel
Just ask what's the gear question
I would have been able to send you the FaQ for gearing prot but I'm lazy and I still haven't updated it yet
subtle atlas
im just asking because i just started to gear my main prot warrior there is no rush for it
sick sentinel
ilvl>>>>>>>stats
Haste>crit>vers>mastery for keys
Haste>vers>mastery>crit for raids
subtle atlas
thanks 😄
outer dew
Only FAQ I need is @warm plinth
warm plinth
💪
sick sentinel
Eff ey cue
sand marsh
hey, uh what essences* do i use for m+
sick sentinel
VoP/CnS major, minor CnS, VoP, Null, Aegis.
stuck crown
Has anyone ever seen this weak aura before? https://youtu.be/ocaFy2l8Tq0?t=125
I must have
undone sun
which
stuck crown
The rage, health, ip
Mainly rage ip and whatever the right side of the ip is
That portion
sick sentinel
Hmm
tried doing saurid snap
I instantly died
Had everything up
I really need ta nk trinkets :/
hallow phoenix
They must've been hitting your back
Cause saurids don't really do much to me when I'm blocking
sick sentinel
maybe
what's a good way to heroic leap on there
I can't get it to work no matter what
or should I let rogue do it
sick sentinel
You can't HC leap up there
You get "no path available" every single time
that's the point of snapping btw, that there is no path available for the mobs
You first go there and Then you pull
stoic pilot
I don’t trust my rogues so I always just haul ass with a speed pot while pulling and run up there lol
I say I don’t trust my rogues but it’s not like I ever get to run with one -_-
quick yarrow
Morning , what is better you think - 430 Barb from Orgazoa - or 435 from Atal Dazar ( more haste , no extra button ) ?
ionic fern
I'd take the 435 for general purposes.
Iirc the Barb has a 2min CD with a 10% DR (?) not a big fan of that.
Especially if you're not using it on CD to take full advantage of it.
sullen valve
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
quick yarrow
@ionic fern Thank you
sullen valve
yeet
coral jasper
Well yeah I realize that but I was wondering since STR = IP total AMNT
coral jasper
Roger; appreciate it.
outer dew
Only thing I need more of is @warm plinth
ionic fern
We need a "awwwww" emoji.
gaunt dawn
ionic fern
🆘 🇮 🇬
brittle owl
🤺
brittle owl
🤥
👘
👠 👠
ionic fern
Mad skillz
undone sun
👁 👅 👁
brittle owl
👁 W 👁
💧 💧
lunar bramble
Hi guys I'm new to prot warrior, I'm struggling abit with opener prio in mythic plus on trash, assuming all cds are up I've been doing thunder clap - demo shout avatar, any advise?
sick sentinel
you don't overlap cds
mostly never unless a large pack with snap on high keys
or you're really really hurting
you want shield block up as much as possible, so don't overlap those
and spam IP
@lunar bramble
avatar before you pull
charge
clap
demo shout
clap
revenge
clap
you want to revenge early to spread deep wounds on everyone
sick sentinel
I clap on the way
also
if you are using VoP major]
your charge might pop VoP
and SO many times you you the 6s avatar before you pop your actual avatar and you lose the proc
whereas if you have avatar when you charge you get an extend instead
lunar bramble
Ah nice thanks
sick sentinel
I usually get vop right when I pop avatar haha
so it's mostly 26 secs
Sometimes I get 38 seconds avatars lmao
proc proc proc
ionic fern
Just take Avatar off of your bars so you don't accidentally overwrite the proc.
Big brain.
ionic fern
I just tuned into this Discord o.o
sick sentinel
razonko watching mwahi type for 5 mins 
ionic fern
That sounds creepy if you put it that way.
autumn pendant
Nah i locked my phone when he was typing and came back 5 mins later
He was still typing
Coincidence!? I think not
ionic fern
Can't even argue with that. 😂
sick sentinel
@ionic fern jaina wants to pay me 500k to go alliance to do mplus with her
ionic fern
Don't - she says "YES, LETS DO m+ TOGETHER ALL NIGHT!!!" and then never shows up.
Atleast 5x times now.
sick sentinel
👀
strong forum
Sounds like me
Yeah let's do X! I'm so pumped
(literally 3min later or any 30second inconvenience comes in the way)
Actually nvm ill go take a nap
sick sentinel
have you heard of a "kaege nap"?
sick sentinel
it's a nap that starts with
"I'll go lie down for like 20-30 mins"
and then you wake up 4-5 hours later
strong forum
My naps range from 2-5 hrs
autumn pendant
My naps include making print of keyboard on my face
sick sentinel
@autumn pendant gamer naps
strong forum
I never fell asleep infront of my PC
I cant fall asleep sitting up, unless in a car
Car naps are one of the comfiest there are
autumn pendant
I once fell asleep in shrine on tyranical
Funnily enough, i didnt die
But my teammates did
🙃
strong forum
Big kek
sick sentinel
I almost fell asleep offtanking hc zaqul
I was just using intercept target of target to follow the tank
strong forum
Can't wait to play add tank on zaq mystic
And just sleep entire encounter
Gonna be the best boss this tier next to radiance
ionic fern
How can you even fall asleep like that.
warm plinth
But did they ginvite?
strong forum
Raid bosses where you just have to sit afk are the best, change my mind
warm plinth
I’ve fallen asleep gaming before but it was on console and I was sitting on a bean bag chair. And I’d been up for 30 hours lol.
Was mid-grind (different MMO). Woke up like 3 hours later, got reinvited to the same group, promptly fell asleep again as I pulled.
void berry
Hey guys. Been watching Sense's QC video and seen his 50k dps open... How is that even possible ?
buoyant tide
CoF, pre-pot, high dps traits (RF?), lust pull?
ionic fern
I haven't seen it but my guess is he's running Devastator/RF and maybe a BfI and using CoF/Blast into Avatar .
ionic fern
Just by using Blast you get to like 40-50k at start.
strong forum
Cof + blast alone is like 70k+
ionic fern
Jeh, and add CoF on top of it.
strong forum
If you get lucky with crits it's up to 100k
sick sentinel
sense can do 10k more damage than somebody for example late in QC
but Late had 10k less EHRPS
which, personally, I prefer more
sick sentinel
sense lets healers parse HPS and late on DPS
strong forum
QC is hardly any dmg besides deferred sentence and zealous eruption tho
void berry
Blast ?
sick sentinel
cyclotronic
autumn pendant
@ionic fern working 10 hours a day and sleeping 5 hours top does that to you 🤷
void berry
Ow yeah
strong forum
Sleep > Gaming
void berry
And yeah, eruption deals a lot, but outside of it it's 🤷
ionic fern
You should try it..it's pretty great.
junior ivy
i got power
boyfriend doesnt yet, but my my place does
finally
I CAN CHARGE THINGS.
sand egret
With great power, comes great responsibility.
mint adder
Oh neat, ive got a higher parse than sense for QC
strong forum
Well if you start pashmar you have to take the one during heal immune
oblique garnet
@strong forum no if you start pashmar you are inside on every single one
Otherwise you are doing taunt swap somehow fucked
hasty nova
lol @strong forum i agree!
man this is such a good week for pushing
ez affixes, ppl finally have gear and essences worked out, and people are used to the emissaries. Good time for pugs.
warm plinth
Timed my first 17 this week
Didn’t time the 18 but for our first 18 ever I don’t think we did that bad. 11 deaths (5 due to death skip) and we were 5 1/2 mins over.
No full wipes either; they were all random deaths
junior ivy
congrats!
warm plinth
Thanks 😄
strong forum
@oblique garnet we swap on every charge, resulting in being outside the bubble right as obey and suffer starts
@sick sentinel it's scuffed AF, I need SW + PS + maybe a cocoon or some shit
Hella scary moment
graceful sundial
hey guys...got a question about mythic Za'qul. We are starting progress on this boss. Most of the strats I've seen requires that all dps must be stopped before 85%health and before second dread. Why?
analog creek
Consistency in p2, the dread timer starts on pull, and you need to be stacked/using cds for those. Having it interact with other abilities in the cast q significantly slow down progression
Short answer. You get a more predictable fight
graceful sundial
thanks for you answer 😉
analog creek
It also cleans up the tank soak spawn timer in relation to the tentacles, gives you more time
exotic spoke
Sup
junior ivy
hi riki
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
void berry
I agree with @strong forum , we swap on every charge, I start on the boi, and I'm inside for the first one and outside for the two next.
So being in for all means you change the taunt timing.
winter skiff
how do you tell which emissary is what
i always have a hard time knowing if its the aoe doesnt move emmisary or the one that runs to you
exotic spoke
Different names and different visual effects
sand egret
big bubble = scary bubble
exotic spoke
Void emissaries are purplish / blackish and do the aoe shadow damage that hits for more and more as you stay in LoS
Tides is the blueish one that prevents mobs around it from being cced / interrupted
Enchanted has the big bubble around it and can be knocked back. It reflects damage done to mobs inside that bubble
Most of the emissaries this week will be enchanted
winter skiff
thanks
exotic spoke
You’re welcome
frosty vigil
Charged claw from the mechanized peacekeepers in ML, is that reflectable? My reflect WA says it is, but I never see it go off???
exotic spoke
I don’t think it’s reflectable - but SR should be used to mitigate it as the mob attacks are now magic damage
exotic spoke
I stand corrected
oblique garnet
So you can reflect it when its swinging
frosty vigil
So just hit reflect when it gets the buff initially, not during the cast?
exotic spoke
Yes
frosty vigil
Ok thanks.
oblique garnet
It usually does 1-2 autos before it starts doing something which causes the buff to drop
frosty vigil
Yeah
My group was doing a couple 15s last night and those things hit hard.
This should help a little bit
exotic rapids
Purely for pushing m+ and setting n811 aside. Would you go dwarf or dark iron dwarf?
exotic spoke
Both are solid options. Honestly comes down to what you prefer the look of
I’ve pushed high keys as DiD, space goat, human, gnome, dwarf.
So, pick whichever you prefer and you’ll be fine . They won’t make or break your run
exotic rapids
Hey thanks for the Input. I know that the race besides maybe n811 won’t change much. But for the bleeds in KR and necrotic having stoneform or the like sounds great.
exotic spoke
N811? What do you mean by that
exotic rapids
Our healer is good but he has his problems from time to time
frosty vigil
I think it's some odd way of saying night elf
exotic rapids
Yes.
frosty vigil
I don't think anyone understands it....
exotic spoke
I mean in general - the races for prot don’t matter much at all.
Play what you think looks cool.
The racials are minor and situational / won’t change the overall performance of a group / player that much
exotic spoke
There are other ways you. Can address the bleeds in KR
Necrotic shouldn’t be that much of a concern for us either
exotic rapids
Can you elaborate on the ways to deal with Rhodes nasty bleeds?
exotic spoke
The bleeds hit the closest target. If you have a class with a pet you can start to back off
Otherwise durable classes (classes with selfhealing) can help and soak one stack to let yours reset. DHs can also parry them with blade dance I believe
sand egret
yes they can, finding one that does it....now that's another story
exotic spoke
If you don’t have it - even as a dwarf or Dark Iron you won’t have your racial every pull - you’ll need to use your cooldowns on those packs and have good target priority
It’s also possible to shroud in and then invis pot out or vice versa to not deal with the last two packs
hazy dust
430 Urchin or 430 Rezan w/socket for 18+keys?
sick sentinel
fort motherlode
is the bane of my entire existence
I hate that place with a passion
@hazy dust what's the other option
analog creek
Motherlode is a clean run this week though
sick sentinel
it's not bad
but it's just bad rng all the time
all the bugs happen
all the DCs happen
warm plinth
I mean, it’s really hard to blade dance the berserker bleeds if that’s what you’re talking about.
The cast time is like .5 seconds
analog creek
I use a weakaura to track the cd
warm plinth
I get lucky sometimes by anticipating it but it’s not consistent
warm plinth
Do they cast it immediately on CD? Because the dodge window on dance is only 1 second
sick sentinel
@analog creek I need that weak aura
warm plinth
Okay well guess I need to get that. You have a link?
analog creek
I can find it
warm plinth
I dodge everything else in KR. It’s fun to me 😄
analog creek
warm plinth
Awesome ty
analog creek
It will always cast on cd provided it has a target in melee range
sick sentinel
that's the debuff not the CD
analog creek
Except usually every 3rd cast it will leap first, then bleed right after
I'm 95% certain that is the CD tracker, not the debuff tracker as the title suggests
I cant get in game to confirm
sick sentinel
For m+ which would you choose, I also have a 445 socketed Urchin
exotic spoke
Fucking gore crusted easily. Holy shit that gore crusted
sick sentinel
yeah im not taking that one off. its more so between the rezans, urchin, or barnacle
sand egret
i'd fuck with the block/urchin
weary thorn
here I am with a 430 tempest and 440 alch because my warrior hates trinkets
I ran my buddies alt warrior through a 10 AD, he gets a 445 rezans
rip me
sullen valve
yeet
novel temple
so i just did mechagon hardmode no deaths
but the healing red card based on health didnt drop for anyone
sick sentinel
it's not guaranteed
junior ivy
hi
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
junior ivy
how are you
exotic spoke
I’m doing well. Bored at work
junior ivy
im stressin about which laptop to buy, again
im so bad at making these kinds of decisions
exotic spoke
😦 In the end I’m sure it’ll work out just fine
exotic spoke
I would but you’re not around to keep me company
exotic spoke
Double prot warrior for life
exotic spoke
classic combo - warrior + healer
exotic spoke
I’ll safeguard you when you need it
outer dew
Anyone that comes between us will deal with my avenging wrath
exotic spoke
And my Avatar + Booty Clap
sand egret
👀
exotic spoke
You’re not safe either diglet
outer dew
I guess he's in shock, of the holy kind
exotic spoke
you can see the shockwave going through his body
Serious question - if I take tumbling earth and shockwave a dugtrio do I count as hitting 3 or 1 enemy
Asking for a friend
sand egret
Honestly, I was shocked to see your devotion to the pun game, a real mastery, but alas I was devastated to witness you ravage the process. Ya'll had a glimmer of hope here, not gonna lie but I will resist the taunting urge to contribute.
exotic spoke
And like a stormbolt Blade made his opinion on the matter clear without leaving a glimmer of hope for anyone. However, much like #LastStandWithVic, this became a rallying cry for the population
sand egret
As long as it bolsters the ranks, that's fine.
oblique garnet
Please stop
exotic spoke
They swore to never surrender and to fight to the bitter end. They were indomitable
Is it thyme to stop late?
oblique garnet
@undone sun help
junior ivy
boreal summit
sup losers
exotic spoke
Sounds like their may be heavy Repercussions and people will be severely punished by Lates revenge if he’s not listened to
Grats catfriend
@oblique garnet I’ll try to try to stop
junior ivy
ty 😄
flat oracle
Never stop
exotic spoke
That became the battle shout of the vanguard as they charged forward taunting the enemy in order to pummel them
tawny maple
If someone else I know gets a 455 rezans Im gonna quit the game
sand egret
only when it counts
exotic spoke
When he needs to get into the fray he makes his intimidating presence known
junior ivy
only thing im sad about it is it tak4es 10-12 days to ship
takes*
casue i customized it
exotic spoke
Should I stop now before Late has an aneurysm
sand egret
maybe, at least before its too Late
exotic spoke
What if I stopped right in thyme?
sand egret
would be some sweet revenge 🙂
exotic spoke
They do say revenge is bests served cold
sand egret
watching these random classic streams raiding now....makes me really glad fucking threat isn't as finicky as it was back then.
waiting for sunders wooooof
flat oracle
Late pinged me in mod chat saying puns where flowing freely in Prot, so I had to tell you to keep it up
flat oracle
I do what I must in service of the puns!
exotic spoke
I will rise to the challenge and become a beacon of hope, an iron fortress, a bastion of might - as I brace for impact
sand egret
just let the old heads pun ourselves until nap time
exotic spoke
Eventually the bloodlust will subside when a mortal strike is delivered
It’d be nice to have some help @outer dew
outer dew
LMAO
iunno mang, i'm pretty much out
those puns are difficult
if only i had a glimmer of light
sick sentinel
those are some top tier puns
exotic spoke
Would you say they are as inspiring as a dragon roar
undone sun
👀
junior ivy
hi thyme
undone sun
Hi
chilly brook
Why don’t you make a last stand for your puns?
exotic spoke
We did griff and no joined in. It was Blade, tofu, and myself.
icy kiln
hi guys is there any addon or wa to auto mark in m+?
prisma crane
this is devastating news
outer dew
there's a wa
chilly brook
It really crushed my spirit
On second thought I guess I can’t make a crushing blow pun cuz it’s not classic
exotic spoke
Would you say it was a shattering throw to the heart?
chilly brook
It really burst my bubble
exotic spoke
At least you didn’t get cut so badly you had deep wounds
chilly brook
Yea but I got tired of hearing my raid leaders commanding shout
sand egret
hey now
flat oracle
You're a good lad
sand egret
stick to your lane foo, you're bearly getting by with the warrior puns
chilly brook
Don’t demoralize him
sand egret
i know my intimidating presence is a bit much...
chilly brook
It’s a good thing your intimidating presence doesn’t do anything to my shield wall 🙃
sick sentinel
@icy kiln 
in #ui-addons-manager
exotic spoke
I’ll roll along and heroically leap past your insults
chilly brook
You can swipe all you like but it’s inferior to my thunder clap
On a side note I really miss warbringer
exotic spoke
It’s pretty amazing Unlike a dagger in the back
And just like that - the pun bloodlust was dispelled
Please no ban hammer
warm plinth
Wow @sand egret You peasant, using addons
sand egret
gotta get hip with the times?
i just got this bigwiggles thing that allows me to appease the angsty DHs in my random groups, so that's useful
exotic spoke
I do too but also control modifiers
sand egret
but i have those on my mouse so my lil' hands can actually get there
exotic spoke
Cause I can hit control -7 pretty easily
wintry olive
anyone know what causes this ? is it me moving as its cast or something like that ?
sand egret
i have only a few things I actually "use" with my left hand, most of it is done via my mouse
sand egret
yeah, if i'm reading that right, you reflected all but 3 of a single cast, no?
warm plinth
I mean, if you don't care about timers, why not just tell them to do their thing and activate when they leap?
A timer really isn't required
sand egret
i do, but Rag.
sand egret
Hmm Korah, if this was a single instance..., I could see moving being the culprit.
you didn't connect with all in the single frame so your SR fizzled
warm plinth
If you're too far away and they have time to separate, I could see you getting nailed
exotic spoke
@sand egret there are only 4 cyclones if I remember correctly
sand egret
that's what I was thinking too...
exotic spoke
Sorry 5*
sand egret
but that timestamp looks like way more
exotic spoke
I think he backed up / side stepped away from boss and got hit by 3 a second time
sand egret
ohh that could be it
wintry olive
Yeah, ill assume its movement. and ill try to just let go of my keyboard next run haha 😄
sand egret
fizzled the first instance but walked back into it basically
exotic spoke
Which would make sense because, and we weren’t logging that run, I got instagibbed with spell reflect up and no casts from aspix going off
warm plinth
Tbh I've only done it once, but I just stood in melee range in one spot and popped it and it worked
wintry olive
yeah, it makes sense, for this particular one i ran straight through boss to get to them, so i probably took 1 step too much
warm plinth
Yeah maybe you were still moving when it went off and they nailed you weirdly
Good times
wintry olive
yeah, ill go with that beeing the culprit and be more specific about my movement
distant crystal
currently watching on Dratnos stream
exotic spoke
Benchwind right?
sand egret
yeah, once you factor in the timing window of it and the fact that delay between server/client, it seems plausible you got hit again after reflecting them
exotic spoke
oblique garnet
@potent anvil Why are you like this
sand egret
yes, why you hoggin all the loot
outer dew
lol
i think first week from chest
my mage got a 455 with socket boots
and i said fuck the game
oblique garnet
he has another 450 ring with socket
exotic spoke
Fml
oblique garnet
I should have kept that one
sick sentinel
why tho
oblique garnet
- why not
sick sentinel
...
oblique garnet
It wasnt too bad stats for brew
sick sentinel
you were actually doing them tbh
you did some work with the spotters and the rings
exotic spoke
Awww you two make such a cute couple
oblique garnet
We need to start reclearing again so i can get them divers follys
distant crystal
sick sentinel
our dh has 455 avoidance
distant crystal
we had a dh get 450 bilestained from cache like 2nd week
he doesn't even play anymore smh
sick sentinel
...
exotic spoke
...
oblique garnet
Probably gonna focus on gearing my warlock or smth
Affli still does less damage than my prot in keys in aoe 
potent anvil
@oblique garnet I got lucky
potent anvil
hmm, uldir tier I think 🤔
exotic spoke
#LuckyWind amirite?
oblique garnet
Hows zagul going tho?
potent anvil
We're close, most likely a kill tomorrow.
potent anvil
😞
exotic spoke
When / if we get there I’ll probably have to sit myself for BDK / guardian
From the sounds of it 😦
oblique garnet
Id still play warrior over either of those tbh
exotic spoke
Interestingng
sick sentinel
we're reaching second echo
exotic spoke
Who would you pick out of those two options?
exotic spoke
As the other tank Late
oblique garnet
Bdk
exotic spoke
Aight
exotic spoke
Lol
oblique garnet
Eh
exotic spoke
Not like I’ll have to worry for a bit. Didn’t have the right people on for ashvane last Thursday
Fuck classic
potent anvil
@oblique garnet Oh, I also use 455 gloves, and another 455 ring as prot. I still need to get rid of my 430 weap and shield though 😞
oblique garnet
: )
potent anvil
oblique garnet
Gz
exotic spoke
Grats kaege
tawny maple
Hey how do multiple absorbs work btw? Like if Im using Edict and Diamond
chilly brook
@sick sentinel nice!
slim pier
@sick sentinel gz
sick sentinel
thanks!
potent anvil
@oblique garnet I just got 455 haste/vers boots 🙂
oblique garnet
@potent anvil im gonna get you renamed
potent anvil
I'm 450 in bags now
oblique garnet
😀
spice ferry
Dam and I was happy being 447 bag
sick sentinel
I'm 449.18 :C
exotic spoke
I have shit trinkets and a 430 ring
slim pier
Both of my trinkets are 430