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yea
looks at LotP being picked in the PTR
but i'd like to be able to choose things
like iunno
being too procced based
isn't that fun
when it comes to class design
From thyme to thyme I enjoy this room
there's a thyme and a place for good discussion, and this is it
Lately, I feel like where going off to lalaisland all the thyme
yeah, for sure. Somethymes I find it hard to reLate at all.
Sal the betrayer
see, a true hero
We need to talk some Sense into others here.
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actually what I think of when I see his name tbh
i always end up singing that jingle in my head
There’s a difference
probably rikki
I have a single ‘k’
tbh
i'm sorry you just nog big brain enough
Listen here. I found the guy “Ihatetofu”
woah someone went full Nimchip
I will invite him here
nah
he finally rerolled back to DH
what a bitch
he FOTM last season to warrior
Riki Tiki Tavi Music and lyrics by Donovan P. Leitch Better get into what you gotta get into Better get into it now, no slacking, please United Nations ain't...
i didn't
even know this was a thing
THERE YOU GO
ONE K
Brb finding him
wdym
Still ❤ you but this has to happen
Lol
MOBAS WERENT THING WHEN I MADE THIS NAME
32
also true
Swear to god. If I could I would log into game right now just to kick a random person and vent
lool
@junior ivy haaaalllppppp tofu is being mean
poor guy is like "wtf?" meanwhile Riki be like "IM NOT A FUCKING MONGOOOOSE"
Getting someone to make a character named tofu in guild
lmao
bby i gotchu
if the name tofu is open
finna boost a new toon
just for you
and this shit might be the most chinese shit i've ever seen
what are the prefered talents and essences for a prot warrior thats tanking mythic orgo. I dont have rank 3 null barrier what are my best choices for major and minor?
Are you tanking boss or adds?
boss
What traits are you running and whats your shield ilvl
2 basition of might traits, 2 callous reprisal, 1 deafening crash, 1 brace for impact
That’s some chines propaganda tofu
and my shield ilvl is 430
VoP + Sphere/CnS/Lucid if you dont have rank 3 null
for minor?
You have 65 neck?
Then run Vision major and either conflict/sphere or memory or lucid dreams as minor
ok thank you
what is the stat priority for prot?
The only priority I need is @exotic spoke tbh
Bless
what pots are we using for single target and on m+ pulls?
I have unbridled, superior strength, empowered proximity, and superior stam depending on what I need
what does unbridled and empowered do
Single target dps and aoe strength ^^
superios str is 2-4 targets
Stam is magic defense or if I’m memeing with anima
Mostly memeing if I’m being honest.
though very rarely would i recommend stam
Agree thyme
I really only use them in ML tyrannical
I’d rather have 20 and not need them over not have them and need 1
The way I go about pots is
Unbridled for st
Empored for trash
And str with avatar for when I want to second pot a boss that I known will not last an entire minute
I very very rarely use str pots
Who said my name
No one is allowed to be mean to riki
Yeah kaege that’s about on par for me
Maybe 2-5 a month? If that
@outer dew seeeeee
So.... I don’t know what that means.... I’ll just mod my head
Side note - some people are already asking for the AQ gate opening turn ins to change
Saying it’s not fair and blizzard needs to do it to recapture the magic
It's those uhh
Fiery Angry people outside, but lovey dovey inside
And iunno
If you want classic
Keep everything the same
Ahhh I see I see
I see a lot of prot logs with Reckless Flurry is that correct?
yup
Does it give that much damage increase?
it's enough to use it over other traits for ST damage
Even BoM?
1x rf is 600-800 dps
is prot any fun rn?
Subjective
weird question
i think prot is the most fun its been in quite a while and incredibly well designed
other people dont like it
for different reasons

prot war is the most objectively fun tank and if you disagree then well you are wrong heh

Do you know what subjective means
pretty sure that was the joke glick made
ye you said 1 thing
and i elaborated on my stance
to actually answer his question
who are you
you're all wrong. I'm the most fun tank.
I mean if you like to sparkle and be pretty then prot pally is for you
I finally hit 65 neck. What 3rd eseence would be the go to for Prot? Currently using VoP major - Lucid as first minor. Level 3 conflict any decent as a minor? (M+)
is prot fun in M+?
I like it. 
No offense but do you think asking the same question 3 hours later is going to get you different answers? Play the spec if you enjoy playing it. If you don't, don't. Fun, as Thyme said, is subjective. No one in this channel can tell you what YOU will like.
i am debating if i wanna gear my warr fury or prot. im asking for opinions, not sass
you're in the prot channel, what opinions did you expect?
which, in context, is a more meaningful question
i expect people to answer if they think its more fun than most, or if it is just better and used cuz of that
"is prot fun"
so what are peoples opinions on the new question then?
yes.
is prot more fun enough to play it over fury ona M+ only alt
"funnest tanks" imo DH > Warrior > DK=Paladin > Monk > Druid
and that is for all scenarios, raiding and keystones
So what does Warrior tank bring to the table that helps in M+
lots of damage
more damage than any other imo. the only tank I have seen that can compete is demon hunters
and they smooth the damage pretty well since a lot of it is melee
how much damage do warrior tanks pump?
and are they one of the ones that can use a DPS trink and usually be ok?
i only tank with dps trinkets
but yes since haste and strength directly relate to helping our mitigation it works well
ah, what trinks that frop from M+ would be ideal and what essences?
a lot of this is in the pins. literally every question can be answered. I am sure you will find all the basic information regarding protection warriors and keystone tanking
How do i find the pins?
Are you on mobile or PC?
Pc
And this is the first thing i see as i open Skyhold.
Your welcome
How many wipes, on average, do you think guilds take to get M Ashvane? Is this number located on logs somewhere?
Only if you go through all the logs for that guild.
100-150 for avg guilds imo
we took 122
132 here, with quite a number of early resets.
What are best traits for m+ prot
VoP major, CnS/Sphere/Lucid.
Kms.
LMAO
What is MS?
hi 3x bastion is must have for m+? or 2 x enough?
ant witch essences are the best for m+?
VoP major, CnS/Sphere/Lucid.
3x bastion is not a "must" but it's really good both offensively and defensively.
If your highest ilvl azerite doesn't have a BoM and it brings you down to 2xBoM's it's not the end of the world - you can still do m+ just fine.
Still didn't find a thing to replace my alchemist stone... ><
just get a razor coral lel
Alchemist stone is good
defensively do warriors just wear the highest ilvl gear?
like a 445 belt(haste/mastery) vs a 440 with socket (crit/haste) - id just go with the 445 belt right?
I feel like generally Ilvl is king. But if it has a hole it gets a bit more iffy. Especially when comparing a hole to only 5 ilvl worth of stats
I would go crit haste with a crit socket tbh.. much more defensive value
Hi guys. What do you think 415 Edicts of the Faithless > 404 Computation Device? for m+?
I Am 430 and doing mostly 10+ Keys
edicts is probably better yeah
quick prot question..im currently running 3 BoM for my Azerite traits but unfortunately the 445 ones i got dont have them (it has DC though) should i just use 2-3x DC instead of 3 435 BoM pieces?
i do M+ and not tanking raids
So..you have BoM on 3 azerite and they are all 435?
And then you have 3 Azerites at 445 that have 0 BoM's but all of them have DC's?
For a better overview can you maybe do
/simc in game and copy that text to:
www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
and make a screenshot of the azerites?:)
thanks @oblique garnet
@ionic fern
i didn't respec the other pieces to prot so im not sure if that affected the results
id stick with the 435 pieces for now
hmmm ok
What should I be looking to use for punch cards
If you’re worried about parsing, then cyclo plus the highest yellow you can find
@topaz bough
trajectory analysis the one that grants you dodge worth it?
It’s red
If you want survivability its better than Cyclotronic Blast, but subroutine: overclock is the red you should be targeting if you want to use that trinket as a defensive.
Someone will correct me if that's flawed.
Yeah Overclock is the better middle-ground card (since it's still decent for damage). Trajectory Analysis is not realistically maintained at high stacks imo
Ghash (or anyone) would you give up 15 ilvls to ensure you have 1 stack of DC? My gut tells me yes but it hurts my soul, haha.
yes
Well, if you're using Booming Voice, yes. If you're parsing with Devastator, no.
Thanks Late and Ghash.
Ok thanks for the help @warm plinth @shadow tapir
440 jes+hole or 430 vial, goes with 430 block+hole
jes+block
thanks
i thought vial was good?
It's not a bad trinket. It's just that most people end up macroing it with Avatar, so you lose the 1st GCD (which is where you have the highest str buff)
That's how I'd use it, yeah
thats how i used it, thought that would make the most use out of it
i guess the same goes for when to use jes then?
Nah Jes you can just use with Ava. Vial is different because it has a decaying buff
Where it's strongest at the start
AFAIK, sims assume you're holding Jes for Ava
ah ok, thank you
Given the options currently available would this be a solid assortment of azerite gear for M+ and survivability? I want to make sure I am understanding everything fully. Thanks in advance. 🙂
@sweet summit you clap-avatar-clap-demo-vial+clap
yea exactly @sick sentinel
90% of the people don't do that
that's why we say it's a trap
it's a good trinket but like, most people use it badly
can someone link the google doc that lists all spell that can be spell reflected?
but the jes is better even with the correct vial use?
it's 10 ilvls and a hole
big true
and also jes gives vers to your other people in your group
yea, thanks again
@shadow tapir I would use the higher ilvl chest, drop to 2x BoM and pick up the DC somewhere else. Probably better to use the 435 helmet or use the 450 and just run 1x BoM. Chest stat budget is really high to drop ilvl there
DC would be worth the stat dump, but you aren't dumping ilvl for DC, you're dropping it for BoM, which won't usually be worth it
Defensively atleast
Sim for dps
Ilvl pretty much always wins -trinkets and maybe rings
which 3rd essence should I use for mythic +? i have rank 2 conflict and strife only
working on it
r3 for most others
Aegis / sphere / lucid
where's the vision tho
He was listing viable options for the 3rd essence, not the setup he should be using :p
ohhhh
Only set up I need is one that includes @warm plinth tbh
Tofu plz stop harassing ghash tia
and mang
i fucked up on making cookies
LMAO
wanted extra crispy cookies
now I have a brick of a cookie
literally i can kill someone with this shit
It's not harassment if it makes me feel warm and fuzzy
@outer dew you should see what one of the officers disc priests name is
ilvoetofu?
I'm old how do you send videos on discord
but how do i prove
it's brick quality
Figured it out
@exotic spoke
Look at that bitch
Just crack right off
Yeah that’s a brick
I could probably stab someone with it
Like chewing intonit
I feel like my teeth are the ones on the losing end
Okay am I dumb? The fuck is that thing you hit it with, a carrot?
That's a slice of a giant cookie
And I was talking about how it was like a brick
Because instead of baking it for 30 minutes
I baked it for 50
😂
I don't think I've bought a carrot like...my entire adult life
Same
I mean, I don't mind them (if they're raw). I just don't have a reason to buy them.
Perfect for baking, great for soup, raw is tasty
I've probably bought a bag of baby carrots a few times, because I'm a man-child
And you can yeet that bitch at people
I also don't cook so
My girlfriend can cook but we live off of like...tacos and shit a lot
Because taco meat is the only thing I can make 😉
Mostly because it's inconvenient for me. My girlfriend and I work pretty different shifts but we like to eat together. So we usually want something quick so I can go to sleep shortly after. Plus I'm colorblind and I can't be bothered to use a fuckin meat thermometer to see if my shit is done cooking.
Who do I look like, Gordon Ramsay?
And it's not too bad meal prepping or theres some hella easy meals
Wdym
And some dishes
JUST TOUCH IT
It's just aite
IT'S RAWWW
But nah I have no real aversion to cooking. I just never really did it so I never really do it lol
Iunno saves quite a lot
And is only way I get taste of home
Think it's a great skill to have
We make stuff at home; I just wouldn't call it cooking most of the time
Since it seems like people just dont cook anymore
Like my roommate was telling me how he was like
Man, I don't have time to make meals
Yada yada
Yo bitchass wants a salad
Shit takes 15 minutes at most
To prep you a salad
lul
This is how welfare I am at heart
For dinner last night, I legit took the leftover taco meat, put it in a bowl, put some shredded cheese on it, slapped that bitch in the microwave, and ate it with a fork
Lmao, that's a great play
Put some chips and shredded lettuce + chopped tomato
I'd fuck with it
And tbf, I guess there's a buy in cost for kitchenware
Go with crockpots
So like...tomato is stupid for me. I don't like raw tomato but I'll eat it in literally any other preparation
You’ll just throw everything in, cook it over the day and you’ll always have something to eat when you get home from work
But I just started yeeting it down my throat
Yeah we make a few crockpot meals
Tbh
But that's not really cooking
Modern crockpots cook at too high of a temp
It's putting shit in a hot bowl and letting it heat up
I don't even know wtf braising means
Just letting meat stew in some kind of sauce/marinade/juice
I'm what you call an uncultured swine
Like some meats
You cook for hours
Like a tasty pork shoulder made into pulled pork
I'll put that bitch in the oven low and slow for 6 hours
I live in Kansas City; this whole city survives on pulled pork
With some coconut soda, fish sauce, and bit of soy
Yea
But tbf, smoked pulled pork is different
But iunno. Cooking a good skill, I find it fun
True. My girlfriend makes some good pulled pork in the crockpot though tbh
She puts Dr. Pepper and shit in it, but it works out
How tf do I know
Same reason I put in coconut soda
Do I look like I'm the kind of person who even cares what's in the food I eat? 😂
But that's more traditional viet things
Oi
You see
I love viet food
But I hate eating out
Because its garbage
Does viet food have a lot of that stuff like bok choy and cabbage and shit?
So only way I get Viet food is cooking
Like the leafy stuff
A big reason why I don't make a lot of food is because I hate like...every vegetable on god's green earth
Like literally every green thing you can think of, I probably don't like it
Broccoli?
And celery is used a lot for bolognese
Raw celery is okay but I don't like it cooked
Really?
Yep
It's normal to have celery, onion, and carrot as a base for some tomato sauces
I like onions of all kinds
There's types of meat i don't like too. Like I hate roast
Really?
Now is it because you dont like the meat taste
Or is it because you have had shit roast
Frankly it probably is because I've had shit roast
Like making roast is super simple
But if you white
And afraid of anything pink
Lifes miserable
😂
Nah I'm a rare/medium rare person
Nah, I'm p sure you just have had shit roast then
But the rest of my family is like we want that shit well done, aka ruined
Nah 100000%
If you like meat
Ya just had some sad time roast
It's like people who go
I hate pork chops
But get deathly afraid when it's a little pink
Nah pork chops I've definitely had amazing ones and disgusting ones
Nah, but lotta people.over cook it
oh food talk
145F and you gucci
I like to use a little thyme on my pork chops, if you know what I mean
Or they dont let meat rest
Idk if thyme goes on pork chops. I just wanted to make a joke with Thyme's name
👌
I've watched enough hell's kitchen I should be able to make lamb chops in my sleep
I bet Thyme pairs wines with his dinner
i like to
He's a sophisticated chap
You think it's a life skill or something optional
Because my old roomie and I had a talking
And it seems like people just dont cook anymore
Or spooked by it
His GF spooked to hold a knife in the kitchen.
I'm spooked for my GF to hold a knife. I like to live
Lmaoooo
Gonna get stabbed for saying stupid shit
Tbh
I just use vinegar instead of wine when cooking
I was referring to like...oh we're having roast; a nice pinot noir would go with this
Or w/e
Ahh
yeh, im not a big wine drinker
I dont like booze that much
I'm not a drinker, at all really
I'll have a shot now and then
If any of you go into general - sorry in advance
I don't need alcohol to act like a moron. You guys know this.
What's a decent red and white wine to cook with?
mostly a social drinker, would have a beer or two if family's over while cooking
Or should I be going with cheapest?
Vermouth
I drink when I go out and everyone is drinking because I can't stand drunk people if I'm sober.
Exactly
lol
But I don't drink and drive. Ever. So I have to have someone willing to DD or I usually just don't go
Vermouth is a fortified white wine
Even though I'm not drunk
Yea
But is it cheap?
Like cooking wine doesnt have to be amazing
From what I understand
Like 15 dollars or so for a good sized bottle
Tbh I kinda wanna get more into baking
US dollars
Hmm, I'll keep a look out then
hey quick question, the ilvl rule doesnt count for rings right? got a 450 ring with crit bu cant imagine thats better than 435 with vers
It’s true zjaakk
Crit is fine of a stat
If I were going to drop ilevel for a ring it definitely wouldn't be for vers
Sockets should be considered but yes that 450 is better for survivability
https://tenor.com/sVzE.gif This is my new favorite gif btw
Lol
And what about cilantro? I know for some people that taste like soap apparently
My favorite restaurant is Chipotle, so what do you think D:
😂
Seriously I worked at one for 3 weeks. Even the Pepsi has cilantro in it there
I like both. Are you making me dinner?
😂
I don't like most of the other ones I've tried. No good local places here, and the chains people always say are better just aren't.
Theres a better and cheaper place locally for me
When I lived in El Paso ,there were some good places
I want street tacos now
I think half of Skyhold lives in Cali
I mean
East coast is best coast
If someone told me they were asian. I'd guess NY/Texas/California/Minnesota
And I'd probably be right
Do I count as both since I live in the middle?
Move to KCMO like the rest of your peeps. You probably know some folks here anyway.
1200 gets you a double or a really shityy single
While some fuckers
In AZ rent a house for that kind of money
😂
I pay $815 for a 1200 sq ft 2 bed 2 1/2 bath apartment
🤣
Eat a dick ghash. MD isn’t cheap either
It’s no Cali or NY but still expensive
People asking me like why don't you buy a house? Because I live in the midwest where it's cheaper to rent 😬
Well
I was paying 1500 for 1k square foot, 2 bedroom 2 bath washer / dryer
Tbf doesnt MD have some pretty high incomes too?
You live near Baltimore?
And renting makes it so you dont have to be invested where you're living
That was a bit outside of Baltimore. Middle of nowhere kinda but nice place
Now I’m closer to Annapolis
But yes ghash
I had a WoW meet up in the Balt/Wilmington area
Oof I know that place
Back when I first started playing
It’s fucking trash
it's 80%murder 20% oldbay
Had a GF that lived in canton
It was really cool. They paid for me to come out and we had like 4 or 5 us from NYC, Philly, etc all meet up there
And that's cheap for the bay
What's a double?
Shared room with someone else
Oh
yikes
yeah nova
But yes
Loudoun for now fairfax probably in a year
My rent is literally double
I mean I guess novas decent. It’s no Naptown area
Not that anyone wants to live in downtown KC unless you're rich
It’s aight
2K for two bedroom in loudoun
Yeah but
Having access to Chinese/Asian markets is bless
That’s not terrible
Lmao
You a hockey fan or no?
Out of context
nah just mma
You can probably find you a sugar momma out here but she ain't gonna have all her teeth
😂
Iunno mang
My mom told me she'd faint if I dated a dude
Iunno how I feel about that
So uh a general died down. It may be safe to go in there
what happened
Also, Annapolis has some like that too theseus.
Tbf
I forgot there was even a general channel in this Discord
She wants grandkids so who knows
It started off as an innocent discussion about classic vs retail
And yes, I refuse to be outside of class channels
yeah working as a personal trainer at the local la fitness was ridiculous.
And it ended up not so innocent
Lol
Here? No never joined it
Apparently Groggozobul does
Clearly it's too spooky to go there, because it might reveal I'm not an asian girl
Who knows
Are there people who don't know you're not an asian girl?
Iunno
I knew you weren’t. But I’m definitely a apanda. My pic says so
im 100% Edd
Obv
Well I lost my chance to be something else
im indeed a nose
Fuck
Lmao
lol
I'm a retarded white guy, as per my photo
you think someone would go on the internet and tell lies?
(Except on the mythic plus friends server his “gf” has the name pinky’s gf and he’s pinky)
Yep. And my name is hot pink too
Tbh I’d take mynname in pink instead of slowly moving up the green scale
Gotta get super high to not be green anymore lol
Eh, I start being bluish when I get 2100 and that’s not too far away
2k honestly isn't that hard to reach
I thought green kept going for longer than that tbh lol
They just use raider.io's score colors I think
And our push is on Sunday
That scratches that
100 points isn’t out of the realm of possibilities when you consider our two lowest dungeons are timed 15 and afte tthat it jumps to like 17s/18s
They are, however, siege and KR. We do have a shit ton of 19s to run and a 20
I was about to say Siege isn't bad then remembered you're alliance
Nah but it's definitely worse than horde Siege haha
Riki is higher than me
I mean - at 17+ it gets real cancerous
Hi Late!
:^)
I want 2500 this season
What does it take for that? 20s?
That’s my personal goal. I fell just short last season so starting there and then going on
22s I believe
And yeah like 5 19s and 5 20s should be enough
They made it look easy.
But sometimes you never gets good KR/Siege
Or your healer doesnt knownhow to bait first boss of FH and watch people get one shot
TD is the only dungeon I really don't look forward to. That dungeon just does nothing for me.
😂
Tofu, I don’t pug. Same 5 people and classes week in and week out
That’s all I do when pushing keys
Smh
I think UR is my favorite this expansion so far. Mecha will be better when it's released but UR has the crown for now
I’ll pug sub 15s
Pug everything
What's your favorite?
Tos or ur. If you asked last season I would have added TD
Probably atal or wcm
Oh yeah WM is good
WCM is interesting. And pretty much always super easy
lol
Her channel does fuck all compared to meele
Vinetwisters tickle idk what you mean :p
I'm talking about the random spawn ones
I know. They're not all the same though
Don’t worry Late- you still do more dps in m+ and I still ❤ you
I need to pull bigger
Some do etch, which is probably the one you mean
Lmao
There we go
Its etch
And iunno
I needed to pull smaller
I did huge pulls in season 2
I dreamed big in season 2 on pull size
Vinetwisters are the ones that really truck though. It'll be fun to see what happens when we do our 17 if we get a vine spawn
Wcm was some of my highest keys
Yeah until we timed our 16 UR the other day it was my highest
Wcm was the first high key I did this season
Week 1 did a 17
Doing a 22 wcm on my bear was a meme last season though
And like no affix combo really makes it that bad
Grievous is probably worst affix for WCM
Sure
Back then the maggots were aids
How to survive Raal trash
Step 1. Don't stand in retch
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Profit
That's true lol
I actually died to that a few weeks ago iirc. Had like 6 or 7 spits on me
Spit doesnt fuck around
I remember for raal
I'm horde on my main
Dps were smelding
Most of my toons are horde now. No choice 😦
In order to not get the green shit on flour
Floor
Wdym
I'll play with your KT bear
Are you even subbed
Eh, war campaign isn't too bad if you just admit you're gonna have a boring hour or so
Yea
Yeah he got stupid lucky with gear; he's almost caught up with my DH
Tell me when and I can go
I'll resub then and there
I started gearing my warlock 
we cant assemble cause cat just goes "squirrel"
Already have all benthic pieces
I'm sorry Late
We were goin g to do it but catfriend was drunk
what
😂
how come you didnt ping me
catfriend drinks?
Drunk wow, best wow
She posted I think
Wdym
One night last week I believe
Yea, I remember that
hello, why didnt we have drunken gnome patrol
shit man
Every time you die
Cause I’m not drinking much at all right now Nim
You take a shot
you guys messed that up
health issues or AA riki?
🤔
Losing weight
tofu wtf man
Alcohol has extra calories
when it comes to certain things
ahem, vodka and clear alcohol is pretty good
Personal choice
not a lot of calories
are you drinking and eating water?
you can't fool me
lmgtfy tofu AA is alcoholics anonymous
:p
keep giving me new words
Yes, I drink a fuck ton of water.
🤔
Yes nim. I am but I’ve drastically cut back how much I’m eating, watching portion sizes as well as how often I’m eating and what I’m eating
okay
but drinking is drinking
besides clear alcohol will get you fucked up on less than beer
Alcohol has more calories that I don’t need right now
I’ve never drank a lot of beer. Mostly scotch / whiskey
ok ok well keep at it my good sir
But still it’s something I can cut out for now
Also - when drunk I tend to eat more. So if I want to eat less I should definitely avoid being drunk
i have a secret
for you americans
not that im not, but you know... territories
you can... drink, and not get drunk
✅
i do it all the time
Yes - I understand this.
But the specific context of that statement comes from the topic of “drunk WoW! Take a shot every time you die”
just saying generally
every single time i go out drinking with a states friend they get absolutely fucked up
I know. And I didnt usually get drunk.
But an extra drink or two a night adds up in terms of calories
honestly though, i can't really drink playing vidya games, i hate it
Its chill
I played CS better while drinking - to a point
Yeah but going out and drinking out means paying 6times the price of what you can drink at home
After I reached a certain point I either did well and maintained or I drank more and plummeted fast
that's not true late