protection

[sick sentinel]

CoS pants

And 65 neck

For parsing

[shadow tapir]

I managed 89 (87 ilvl) parse on heroic Aszahra Tuesday with non-optimized gear so I have hope I can push harder.

[sick sentinel]

If you don't have 65neck by now you're a slacker tbh

[shadow tapir]

I'm working on the neck grind, that's low. And I am starved on sockets.

I'm a slacker for sure, not getting the game time I'd like too.

[exotic spoke]

What’s yourbneck level?

[sick sentinel]

64->65 is 4 days of wq sweep

[warm plinth]

I don't even have 60 neck yet lul

[shadow tapir]

62, 83% to 63.

[exotic spoke]

Yeah that’s easy to do

[sick sentinel]

63->64 is 3 days of wq sweep

[exotic spoke]

Next week you can get it for sure

[shadow tapir]

I've been logging in, raiding, get my mythic done and island and that's about it. Works been stupid busy. 😦

[sick sentinel]

Well

[warm plinth]

Well you're a slacker

[sick sentinel]

If that's the case

[warm plinth]

Because Kaege said so 😏

[shadow tapir]

Yes, I am a slacker, haha.

Work is lightening up this week tho so it's grind time baby.

[sick sentinel]

On Wednesday youll have 65 neck

Or Tuesday if you're us

[warm plinth]

That's a very enthusiastic take on grinding

[shadow tapir]

I have to fake the enthusiasm or I won't do it. Fake it til you make it right?

[sick sentinel]

Islands are fun

[warm plinth]

I prefer to just not do it

😂

[sick sentinel]

Get 2 buds

[shadow tapir]

haha

[sick sentinel]

And just talk

And chill

I genuinely enjoyed islands

[exotic spoke]

I enjoy pvp islands

[shadow tapir]

Are islands the way to go for grind?

[warm plinth]

That's because you're a giant troll

[exotic spoke]

Mainly because I get to screw over other people by not letting them win

I’ve lost two out of about 100 pvp islands

[warm plinth]

Yeah, nothing comes close to islands for AP grind really

[sick sentinel]

WQ sweep>islands

[shadow tapir]

Related to that sim I posted up there, outside of comparing the benthics if the sim says thats my highest option... just roll with that?

[warm plinth]

WQs maybe, but you can't spam them like you can islands

[shadow tapir]

ok WQ sweep and then islands til my eyes roll back into me head, got it.

[warm plinth]

No no

[sick sentinel]

You don't have to over do it

[warm plinth]

When your eyes roll back in your head, you keep doing islands

[shadow tapir]

haha!

[sick sentinel]

Put a goal

"I want to have 65 until then"

[exotic spoke]

One key note

[sick sentinel]

And then space it out

[exotic spoke]

If you can save something for next Tuesday (reset) you save it for after reset

[shadow tapir]

Like turn ins you mean Riki?

[exotic spoke]

Paragon chests, emissaries, warfront turn in

[shadow tapir]

ok

[sick sentinel]

For example

[exotic spoke]

If you can save it for reset you should save it to turn in after

[sick sentinel]

I'm eu so reset is on Wednesday

I got 64 on Tuesday afternoon

Thursday morning I was 65

[shadow tapir]

Ok, makes sense.

[sick sentinel]

85k ap in 2 days

[exotic spoke]

I got about 60-65% of a level on Tuesday when I hit neck level 65

[sick sentinel]

Mplus box, conquest box, 1 emissary, 7paragon boxes

Island mission from last week and island weekly from that week

[exotic spoke]

2 emissaries kaege

[sick sentinel]

True it was 2

[shadow tapir]

oh save the island turn-in, hadn't thought of that

[sick sentinel]

Not the turn in

The mission

[shadow tapir]

oh

OH

roger

[sick sentinel]

From the mission table

You take the turn in and you send the mission away before bed

[exotic spoke]

And that’s literally what I had. 2 emissaries, 7 paragon, a warfront, mplus, pvp cache, island mission

[shadow tapir]

I'm so behind the curve on this shit.

I'm still working on Null r3... =\

Got it. TY for the tips on that.

[sick sentinel]

With 65 neck and null 3

You'll be able to parse

Like orange

[exotic spoke]

Null is about 2k more dps if you reliably proc it

[warm plinth]

I heroic leaped here and now this giant skeletal hand won't let me go 😂

[shadow tapir]

That's what I was hoping. Is 1 trait of RF worth it?

[exotic spoke]

And if you die yell at your healers (not really - don’t do that)

[shadow tapir]

That's all I have available atm

[sick sentinel]

Whatever sims highest

[shadow tapir]

ok.

We verbally abuse our healers constantly. It's a wonder they don't gquit

Our meta is the most creative insults mid fight

[sick sentinel]

We bullied a healer into leaving

2 healers*

Took us an entire tier to get a replacement

[exotic spoke]

Healers are masochists imo

They like the abuse

[sick sentinel]

A bunch of people failed their trial

We got 2 new trials tho

[shadow tapir]

haha, ours is more like...creative funny? We have caused wipes from hysterical laughing tho.

We have lost some top end dps to those shenanigans

The super serious folk don't tolerate it 😦

[oblique garnet]

Solid bubble

10/10

[exotic spoke]

The healing lead/ rdruid I push m+ with has this as his mindset

“I want to heal the bare minimum required. If it’s not required it’s unnecessary and useless”

[sick sentinel]

This is how you fail your trial

[exotic spoke]

Lol best bubble EU

[sick sentinel]

This healer used to raid in top 100 guilds in wod btw

And early legion I think

[shadow tapir]

haha on that bubble

[exotic spoke]

“Used to” being the operative words

[shadow tapir]

Which pieces of Benthic are the target? It's wrists, belt, gloves right?

[modern brook]

@shadow tapir i believe teh guide covers that

[shadow tapir]

ok, re-reading ty

[sick sentinel]

not having radiance mythic helm 🤢

[shadow tapir]

:*(

Y'all got time for 1 more "you should know this question"? I pretty much also go haste buff food and refuse the F.E.A.S.T. ... yes?

always go*

[sick sentinel]

who drops a feast nowdays lmao

[shadow tapir]

my guild, haha

they also triple drop cauldrons cuz we have comedians

[sick sentinel]

my guild puts stacks of food in guildbank

and we can only pick 1 stack

or 2

[shadow tapir]

can't complain too much, very fun group to raid with.

[sick sentinel]

and we use stat food for raids

[shadow tapir]

which stat food usually? probably dependant on person?

[sick sentinel]

we have a lot of each

I use haste

DHs use vers

etc

[shadow tapir]

I meant for prot warrior, I always go haste and inevitable someone is like.. what? you don't love feasts?

[sick sentinel]

feasts are good for prot

I'd eat the feast persoanlly

but you can sim foodbuffs

on raidbots

so do that

[shadow tapir]

^ ty again

[queen fulcrum]

I really should stop slacking a farm some AP on my warrior

[sick sentinel]

Just do ap sweep

For real

[warm plinth]

You're an AP sweep

[sick sentinel]

Like once every 3 days

And weekly shit

[warm plinth]

Don't tell me how to live my life

[oblique garnet]

haste food over feasts

[strong forum]

We don't feast anymore in raids

Everyone gets personal food

[sick sentinel]

We don't fist either

[shut summit]

Same

[sick sentinel]

We get tentacles

[strong forum]

owo

[sick sentinel]

But yeah

[warm plinth]

Weeb alert

[sick sentinel]

Stat foods

@warm plinth zaqul alert

[warm plinth]

You're a zaqul

[inland mesa]

I hope we kill za'qul tonight so we can die horrendously to azshara

[analog swift]

10 sub 10% wipes on ashvane last night bois 😦

[exotic spoke]

12% on a two phase attempt for us on Tuesday. Several (like 3) early deaths.
I believe, for my mental healths sake, she can die tonight

[marble cipher]

Try three hours of wiping Orgozoa cause the entire raid made a silent pact to all play like shit on the same night 😄

[exotic spoke]

Your team does that too?

[oblique garnet]

Azhara gon get it today

[exotic spoke]

X gon give it to her?

[oblique garnet]

yes

[exotic spoke]

You got this Late

[warm plinth]

Fuck I was gonna say that Riki but I got distracted for a moment

[analog swift]

@exotic spoke we had two sub 10% wipes Tuesday, then we had a few new healers that could dps more and we started pushing into last shield at the worst possible time, when that cast of briny bubbles is coming out during wave 3 shield 2

took us a few attempts to realize that if we upped the dps just a little we could push before the brinies and reset the raid abilities timeline

[exotic spoke]

Oof. That’s no bueno and yeah

[analog swift]

yeah tried to focus the brinies but focusing brinies while kiting the boss for wave 3 is just yuck, but def next week w/ 65 neck.

been on this bitch for like two months now but probably my favorite fight so far, tuned pretty damn well

maybe a 1% nerf to boss health would make it perfect

[marble cipher]

two months?
And it hasn't killed your guild yet?

[exotic spoke]

This is week 4 for us and that’s it

We were on mekkatorque for like 2 months or something stupid last tier

[warm plinth]

Can't wipe on a boss for 2 months if you don't raid

Big brain strats

[sand egret]

I just want to say that I'm really sorry this week for all the fallen warriors who die post-pull to bursting. You'll always be in my heart

[rigid sinew]

vial of animated blood vs azshara’s font?

same ilvl

[marble cipher]

Quickly pop rallying cry so you can take others down with you mid bursting stacks!

[exotic spoke]

@sand egret that’s what edicts / nullification is for

[sand egret]

haha yeah I bet

[warm plinth]

How does popping rallying cry take people with you?

[marble cipher]

Doesn't it increase hp, and bursting is hp % based? Or isn't that how it works?

[warm plinth]

Nah Riki, bandages has a use now! Lolol

[marble cipher]

(no main warrior here)

[sand egret]

if its % based

then that shouldn't change much 🙂

[marble cipher]

hm, math, hm, true.....

[warm plinth]

Bursting is % based so unless they were going to die anyway, they wouldn’t die from it

[marble cipher]

DON'T BRING MATH IN HERE, THAT'S WITCHCRAFT!

[sand egret]

it's more so for grevious as its X more healing your healer needs to reach your 90% threshold

[ionic fern]

What.

More maaath.

[warm plinth]

More math is how you end up shackled by the theorycrafter role

Just ask Mwahi

[ionic fern]

[exotic spoke]

Mathi I think you mean

[warm plinth]

Touché

[marble cipher]

I'll have the Feelycraft role please, where I can say anything without backing it up, and people take it as truth cause I've got a speciul color 🐒

[sand egret]

But I'm just here to offer my condolences. I found a nice friendlyy Fury boi in my run...but unfortunately when 4/5 of your group can self-heal post pull....it was always the case of:
pops 7 bursting stacks
"WOOOOOO! That was aweso---wait where's Jimmy?"
dead warrior
"Oh shit...our bad"

at some point he'd just type

"Ahh shit here we go again"

[marble cipher]

lol

[sand egret]

ngl I was laughing my ass off

[warm plinth]

We died to 6 or 7 stacks plus tick explosions in a 16 last night. I was full HP on my DH though so I asked in voice chat why everyone was dead

[marble cipher]

@sand egret Out of curiosity, what does a fury have that heals him post-pull?

[warm plinth]

All they said was “Nice essence” (I killed the ticks with Iris)

[sand egret]

nothing

that's the point

[warm plinth]

He doesn’t. That’s why he died

[marble cipher]

ah,kk, missed the point

[sand egret]

the best part was, he just owned it and went full YOLO on the aoe

[warm plinth]

Lul

I just let bursting tick then casually side step into my soul fragments 😏

[exotic spoke]

I mean - if the option is lose 5 seconds for a death or kill things faster and not have to wait 5+ seconds for bursting to fall off. Guess what the answer is going to be every single time

[marble cipher]

if you keep bursting rolling, it'll never tick! (again, not true solely based feelycraft opinion that should be taken as an absolute truth obviously)!

[sand egret]

at one point I started chain pulling to give him VR chances

[exotic spoke]

Rip fury warrior

[warm plinth]

Imagine not chain pulling

[sand egret]

yeah mana was a thing earlier

[exotic spoke]

Chain pulling is the solution this week. Half the pack dead or low, pull into next pack. Deal with bursting while you’re killing the next pack

[warm plinth]

Sounds like a healer problem to me

[exotic spoke]

Mana is a crutch

[sand egret]

but everyone got hip real fast to being self-sufficient

[exotic spoke]

Your healer should shadowmeld and drink

[warm plinth]

^

[sand egret]

yeah totally

more like just Torrent for mana

[exotic spoke]

Oh wait.... inferior faction

[sand egret]

duh

[warm plinth]

I can’t even say shit

[exotic spoke]

Screen shot for out of context where you agree horde are inferior

[marble cipher]

get a disc priest to heal, and blame all the chain pulling on him, since he can't heal it up otherwise 😉

[sand egret]

also, ya'll wont believe me...but I did a key with TWO feral druids

[warm plinth]

What’s a feral Druid?

[marble cipher]

so, you did a key with all feral druids available on retail! Nice!

[sand egret]

sleeper 🙂

[warm plinth]

How’d they do?

[sand egret]

#1 and #2 lol

[warm plinth]

Nice 👍🏻

I’ve never met a mediocre feral

[sand egret]

(well I was the number 1 lol)

[warm plinth]

Most are trash. The few exceptions are god tier

[sand egret]

I just had that spiderman meme moment when I saw another one

[marble cipher]

lol

[warm plinth]

Lolol

I thought you were bearing it up

[sand egret]

not this run

i'm switching it up now, Feral is fun as fuck

[warm plinth]

Also shame on my phone for autocorrecting durid to Druid

[sand egret]

a bit more thinking involved which is nice

[warm plinth]

Yeah but without the absolute nonsense from early Legion

[marble cipher]

I mean, it's not as much thinking as a havoc dh though, "will I press my second keybind? or just stick to this one, hm, choices choices"

[warm plinth]

I’m a havoc main and I approve this message

[marble cipher]

haha

[sand egret]

I did run with a Prot though who....made questionable choices

[marble cipher]

routing or talent/gear choices?

[sand egret]

Imma chalk it up to general life choices at this point

[warm plinth]

Did he ever surrender?

[exotic spoke]

Poor life decisions

[sand egret]

not once

and like

[exotic spoke]

Swear to god ghash I will beat you

[sand egret]

what warrior

on god's green earth

[warm plinth]

What did I do lol

[sand egret]

resets Tree Boi

[exotic spoke]

You know what you did

[sand egret]

MULTIPLE TIMES

[marble cipher]

what key level?

[warm plinth]

Lolol

[exotic spoke]

I... I uh... I’ve had to reset him a couple times on a fight

[sand egret]

14?

[marble cipher]

oh dear

[exotic spoke]

But not on a 14

[marble cipher]

for 14, resetting tree boy, that's just memeing

[warm plinth]

Are you asking me or telling me Blade, sheesh

[sand egret]

i know you do ghash

just talking about all the good warriors

[warm plinth]

WOW

Okay never mind, I can't argue with that

[marble cipher]

was he cosplaying as Sylvanas? Cause she had a thing for burning trees

[exotic spoke]

On a 19-22s I’ve reset a couple times

Though there was one high key where it was like 3 resets. Mainly because fire spawned right next to him

[warm plinth]

HOWEVER, can I please defend myself slightly

[analog swift]

@marble cipher maybe a bit less, previous guild missed two weeks straight of raiding and just joined another guild

[exotic spoke]

@sand egret

[sand egret]

yeah I see that on that level

[warm plinth]

I have improved from a 59 score in S2 to a 544 score in S3

[sand egret]

but like, his health wasn't moving

[warm plinth]

On my warrior

[exotic spoke]

15 I won’t

[sand egret]

he wasn't even in danger

[exotic spoke]

His dbm was yelling at him so he listened

[sand egret]

he was just resetting to do it

just hurt my soul

[analog swift]

dbm is such ass

[warm plinth]

Actually my warrior has more timed keys on his r.io than my DH 😏

[sand egret]

i was like BELIEVE IN YOSELF

[exotic spoke]

Why do you say that theseus? I mean big wigs would yell too

[analog swift]

big wigs just tells me stacks

[warm plinth]

Oh jk, they have the same

[analog swift]

doesn't tell me to reset

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't think LW says to reset

[analog swift]

whereas dbm will actually yell things like taunt or w/e

it def doesn't

[warm plinth]

LW isn't as hand-holdy as DBM

[sand egret]

i had to download bigwigs for my first raid last week....

[exotic spoke]

Fair - I forgot about Bw when I came back and just used DBM

Now I’m lazy lol

[warm plinth]

It lets you live your best life

[sand egret]

holy shit did I feel like I was playing in a clowncar

[analog swift]

hahahahhaah

[sand egret]

honking and noises and shit

[analog swift]

also the pho weakaura is beautifu

[sand egret]

I was like what the fuck is going on

[analog swift]

oh yeah fuck sound

[exotic spoke]

I like it purely for the timers

[warm plinth]

BWAAAHHHHH. HONKAHONKA. RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL!!!

[sand egret]

honestly i'm pretty sure it fucked me over more than it helped

[warm plinth]

DBM in a nutshell

Meanwhile, in LW land: ding

If you thought BigWigs was bad, don't download DBM lol

[sand egret]

i'm pretty sure that's how I ended up in that Bloodlust Zone of Crack on that Squidboi boss

all i remember was a bunch of horns flying off

[exotic spoke]

Meh, at this point I tune it out most of the time

[sand egret]

and next thing I know everything is all red

and i'm just trucking

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

Idk, to each their own. I like my warnings but I like that BW/LW is minimal about it compared to DBM

[exotic spoke]

Since I tend to not care about certain mechanics

[analog swift]

^^

[warm plinth]

It took me way too long to move my timer bars though

[exotic spoke]

Like say, behemoth stacks

[warm plinth]

Just right in the middle of the screen so I can't click on any nameplates lul

[analog swift]

exactly

like i have no idea when you're supposed to actually taunt swap

just like

when i feel like

[warm plinth]

In DBM's defense there's usually a certain point that's common at the beginning to taunt, and they usually use that number.

at the beginning of a tier*

[analog swift]

oh yeah

[warm plinth]

So it's good for newbies

[analog swift]

i mean i get how dbm is super helpful for certain groups

yeah 100%

but it's almost like a rotation helper

[exotic spoke]

Bdk was complaining I wasn’t letting him have fun on behemoth after our second kill

“You’re the one who suggested we do it just like with me on Paku “

[warm plinth]

I still have friends who are like I'm getting pretty good at this spec. I'm like oh yeah, just been practicing? And they're like no I found this rotation helper WA 🙃

Also Riki I'm rank 36 prot war tank on my realm with 544 score lul

[sand egret]

ghash which char is your hordie?

[exotic spoke]

Hrmm time to be disappointed in my realm again

[warm plinth]

https://raider.io/characters/us/aerie-peak/Demunhuntr

[exotic spoke]

36th prot on my server is 208.....

[warm plinth]

I have a prot pally too

rofl

I'll hopefully have a warrior by the end of the week but depends on how much time I have to do TWs on him

[sand egret]

oo look at you go!

[warm plinth]

Ikr lol

Pretty sure I'll be #1 horde DH on my realm this week

The two DH above me are in my guild lol

[sand egret]

those nerds

[exotic spoke]

The only people ahead of me on my server are in my push group 😦

[sand egret]

so if I transfer over to my coworkers' server, I'd take the top spot by like a country mile lol

[exotic spoke]

What’s yours currently?

[sand egret]

i think i'm only at like 1.4?

something around that

so not high...but prob ~300+ above the next person

[exotic spoke]

Why won’t blizzard merge / cross realm more servers

Last season was funny - my push group had the top 6 places on the server.

Our frost mage swapped to Rogue mid season and no one caught up to his frost mages score

Sorry, I’m misremembering. His mage was 7th. A horde rogue passed him 😦

[inland mesa]

I'm like 36th on my server or something, I've been too busy to do keys and my consistent key group died. Granted this week seems to be a joke

2 chest a 16 with a destro lock pulling 34k overall, SP, and DH lol

I don't know if I like lucid in dungeons, I feel like it's a wasted spot and keeps rage capping me even if I'm hitting IP constantly

[sand egret]

i feel like the move is else where for war

[inland mesa]

also highly disappointed in Visions Rank 4, I thought I was going to be gold, not like orangey grey

[sand egret]

yeah probably shader conflicts

since Avatar applies that brown/grey shader to your model

[junior ivy]

i

hi

[inland mesa]

yeah, when I heard gold I figured it'd just be a gold shader, not overlay on top of it

hi cat, I should send you my video of the 300 or something silly shinies I have in pogo

[sand egret]

yeah, instead of making an exception case, they just made them additive

[junior ivy]

YES

send it

so i can hate you

[sick sentinel]

So I just resubbed after not playing since..... Uldir.

Where in the world is the best place to find a new weapon? I’m Horde and been hoping for a emissary but no luck

[junior ivy]

hey i need to buy a laptop

who is good at this stuff

and can help

[warm plinth]

M+ drops weapons. +10 drops 430

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I’m just trying to pre gear a little bit. I have a 370 weapon equipped

[warm plinth]

I’d look for a WQ or do some low keys. Unfortunately weapons and shields are the largest source of frustration when gearing

[sand egret]

yeah, try and get as many equip caches going.

War Mode is also a spot, as well as invasions and the Warfront stuff (esp the quest that goes with it)

emissaries will scale up with your level at certain points, so it's best to leave those until as late as possible to turn in, in hopes you may get that one upgrade to put you above the threshold

[exotic spoke]

Hi catfriend

[junior ivy]

hi riki

which laptop

shoudl i buy

[distant crystal]

rent some boes

don't equip em just use them for bag ilvl :p

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret that’s some great advice. Thanks!

[sand egret]

if you got that cash, that's big brain move

also

Timewalking is this week

[distant crystal]

ohhh yeah

[sand egret]

that scales all the way up to 395

[distant crystal]

really good week for gearing new toons

[sand egret]

honestly i'd spam the shit outta that

[sick sentinel]

Wait. Does the vendor have a weapon for tw tokens?!

[hasty nova]

yeah BW and DBM are nice. but finely tuned wa's are what changed my game for the better

[sand egret]

if you run out of WQs and stuff

prob

[sick sentinel]

I remember trinkets and some armor

[sand egret]

if not the dungeons themselves

[hasty nova]

mythic tens all the way for get

gear

[distant crystal]

well gl getting invited to 10s on a fresh alt

[sand egret]

you missed the "just returning since Uldir" part

lol

[distant crystal]

unless you got some charitable guildies

[sick sentinel]

Gus. I’m 386 equipped

😂

[sand egret]

lol yeah im going under the "things you can do solo and not need a carry for" route

[sick sentinel]

I’m working on some benthic pieces. Seems like an awesome catch up. Wish there was a weapon

[distant crystal]

but...do try to get the highest key done that you can

[sand egret]

Nazjatar also like gives you a weapon in the intro quest

not sure what ilvl it is

[distant crystal]

a round of mythic 0's to gear up a little, get yourself a key and start pugging it

see how high you can get it

[sand egret]

yeah you can prob do some low mythics, esp as prot

[distant crystal]

naz world boss

has a prot weapon iircc

it's actually a nice one, crit/haste

[sick sentinel]

Ok cool. Thanks for the tips!

[sand egret]

pvp rewards as well

for conq

pretty sure the first cap is like a 415 weapon

but i may be totally off

[distant crystal]

nah u right

raidfinder would also be solid once your ilvl is high enough

415 drops

oh wait

it's 400 nvm

[sick sentinel]

400 would still be a big help if I could get lucky

I just want to build a decent enough item level that folks will know I’m asking for a carry when I pug the key

[brittle owl]

just push your own key

problem solved

[native mantle]

hey guys, i got a new shield last night and decided to tank a bit for fun, can you tell me if i did okay here or should i look in log-review? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FjfawTkPHCdgrN1D/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=2

[sand egret]

you should cast Last Stand waayyy more often than you are

you have 4 casts in the whole dungeon, compared to 31 demo shouts

[native mantle]

should i keep it in the rotation?

[sand egret]

basically after your 3rd Shield Block

[native mantle]

aha

[sand egret]

think of it as a tool to get another SB charge (with Bolster talented ofc)

you're % blocked hits is a tad low, and this is prob way

why*

[native mantle]

ty for the info! i'll make sure to cast it more often

[sand egret]

between packs and how M+ cadence is, you shouldn't really have many, if at all, moments where you're SB is down so % of blocked hits should be higher

[native mantle]

i currently use it more or less like a shrot cd ability

i see

[junior ivy]

why is tobit white

@sick sentinel

why are you white

[sand egret]

yeah using LStand more actively in your rotation ultimately means more usage overall. Put AM to work

at one point you go almost 8 minutes without casting it then you never cast it again in the remaining 10 minutes

thats 4 uses and 5 uses respectively right there

[autumn pendant]

@junior ivy prob cause he left

[junior ivy]

oh ok

[warm plinth]

He's still here; the bot probably just hasn't given him the role yet

For whatever reason

Because Eyir sucks

And that just confirms because she didn't say fuk u

@fierce juniper I think Eyir died

I miss her insults

[fierce juniper]

eyir sucks

rip dead bot

[sand egret]

😱

[warm plinth]

lolol

RIP Eyir

[sand egret]

wow Marok killed Eyir

screencapped for proof

[exotic spoke]

Rip Eyir. You sucked out one last time

[sick sentinel]

I didn’t leave

[junior ivy]

you're beige now

thanks

[sick sentinel]

And I’m not white anymore! Hooray!

[warm plinth]

There, now he's appropriately colored

[fierce juniper]

:)

[warm plinth]

Eyir still sucks

[exotic spoke]

Eyir, the bot, died

[sick sentinel]

I has pigment

[warm plinth]

😦

[junior ivy]

now marok just has to make thyme yellow

and all is right with the world

[warm plinth]

lol

[exotic spoke]

Something tells me thyme may not want that any more

[junior ivy]

too bad for thyme

its not up to him anymore

[exotic spoke]

What is stormforged anyway?

[warm plinth]

Supposed to be someone you can trust to answer questions correctly I believe

[exotic spoke]

Aight.

How did Late get that then

[junior ivy]

lol

[exotic spoke]

(Shots fired)

[warm plinth]

LAWL

[junior ivy]

poor late

i remember when he told me his profile pic was goofy

i always thought it was an owl

but its goofy.

[exotic spoke]

Its a goofy owl obviously

[warm plinth]

It doesn't even look like an owl 🤔

[sand egret]

i dunno, I can see an owl

[warm plinth]

Or Goofy for that matter

[sand egret]

there's literally no head so I dunno how Goofy came into the mix

[warm plinth]

Oh I guess if you look at it on the side where it's small I can see an owl

[junior ivy]

look.

[exotic spoke]

Photo shop

[exotic spoke]

Lol what was that?

[junior ivy]

are any of you good at laptops 😦

i dunno which to buyyy

[exotic spoke]

Not at laptops sorry catfriend. I just built my first computer a few months ago. Had friends help me pick out parts

[junior ivy]

i love building pcs

and im good at knowing what to look for in pcs and pc parts

but i dunno shit about laptops

[sand egret]

it's not too different tbh

[brittle owl]

depends on what you're using it for also

[warm plinth]

I saw an ad a while ago that someone is actually making a pretty much fully customizable laptop

Like that can be upgraded and shit

Cannot remember who it was

[brittle owl]

i'd wager to say it's probably kinda jank

[warm plinth]

Oh for sure, but hopefully it'll be just a start

[lethal plaza]

What level do you unlock the last trait(+5 ilvl) on 445s? I can't find it on the net.
I'm at work.

[brittle owl]

you can mouse over it

[warm plinth]

Because I'd like laptops a lot more if I could upgrade it to the extent I can a PC

[brittle owl]

issue with upgrading laptops

and making them modular

you sacrifice thermal performance

[oblique garnet]

Finally the boss dead

[brittle owl]

and obv its gunna be bigger

[exotic spoke]

Grats Late

[warm plinth]

Yeah, true enough

Which boss

[exotic spoke]

Now you can celebrate with blackjack and hookers

[warm plinth]

Also Late, Riki was wondering how you became Stormforged if SF are supposed to be trusted to answer questions correctly.

[brittle owl]

i'd rather celebrate with jack black and hookers tbh

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet while ghash is throwing me under the bus - he’s not wrong

[warm plinth]

lmao

[brittle owl]

lmao the schoolyard tactics

[exotic spoke]

I’ll own up to anything I said. I ain’t no bitch

[brittle owl]

obv, wasn't pointing at you

[oblique garnet]

Hm?

[warm plinth]

Nothing Late

We love you

[exotic spoke]

I was making a joke late

[brittle owl]

also never forget

[warm plinth]

😬

Don't forget to add on the

[oblique garnet]

Idk i might want to take a vacation now

[warm plinth]

Did you kill Asszhara?

[exotic spoke]

Yup

He did

[warm plinth]

😮

[exotic spoke]

She’s dead yo

[warm plinth]

X gon and gave it to her?

[brittle owl]

"dead"

[oblique garnet]

We had one 0.1% wipe

[brittle owl]

she guldanned

[oblique garnet]

and then we killed it

[warm plinth]

Did you cry man-tears?

When you wiped at .1%

[oblique garnet]

No i was mad

People were saying its a kill already

at like 2%

[elder isle]

guys maybe a lame question , but how to properly use coral on prot warrior ?

[exotic spoke]

That’s the worst feeling Late.

The fight isn’t over until you drop out of combat. Something could happen.
Stay focused.. do the mechanics. Don’t give up

[sand egret]

it aint over till ya see the bonus roll!

[elder isle]

hope some1 noticed my question 😄 tag me please if any1 has some input. Thanks

[void berry]

DPS one ?

@elder isle Use it with avatar

[elder isle]

so pop the crit stacks on every avatar ?

[void berry]

I'd say yeah

[novel temple]

and with inkpod

[void berry]

Yeah sure, if you have inkpod and it's a boss, keep a ton of stack for that

It's gonna be a huuuuge boost, and is necessary in many strats

[novel temple]

mhmm

now i just need the coral, ive already got a 440 socketed inkpod

[void berry]

And I just need the inkpod 😦

[warm plinth]

Wonder twin powers, activate!

[novel temple]

then i can finally start to more

[elder isle]

have alchemist trinket + coral , it can work till I get inkpod

[novel temple]

my other trinket is font and it just feels clunky af to me

[onyx vessel]

Dont use it then

Its pretty bad anyways

[distant crystal]

does...details still not count the new potions

as potions used

wth

[onyx vessel]

It does

[distant crystal]

in the overall for this dungeon it shows me using 0

even though i used a bunch of superior str

and it shows another guy using the old agi

[stark sage]

make sure you have the latest version of the addon

[onyx vessel]

It tracks unbridled fury

Mind you thats dmg

[distant crystal]

oh i mean in the "potions used" option

twitch shows it up to date too

weird

[onyx vessel]

They too busy on classic to update it

Oof

[void berry]

Gorgonzola doooown \o/

[exotic spoke]

Grats

[void berry]

55 pulls, took way less than anticipated

[distant crystal]

hopefully i can say the same tonight

i only have 24 wipes but i think there was another 15 or so while i was benched with shoddy internet

[void berry]

Well fingers crossed mate

And now I can say even as a tank add, IF deals NO damage on that fight 😂

200 dps

with double if

[distant crystal]

lol

[onyx vessel]

I remember in hfc tanking hellfire assault with 500 ping that shit was sketch as fuck

Killed it then i got benched

🤔

[strong forum]

It's possible for tanks to be benched?

[undone sun]

ofc

[sand egret]

hey Nome, I saw a video of one of your Orgo kills. Didn't realize ya'll have such bear love over there 🙂

[strong forum]

Kek

Ye we don't give a shit about specs

[cinder fjord]

Quick question: I got a 430 Briny Barnacle out of my cache and currently have a 410 Vial of Animated blood that I'm using. Is there any reason to use the Vial over the Barnacle? The on use str is nice, but I wasn't sure if it outweighs it.

[strong forum]

Barnacle is good dmg

Nowadays

[sand egret]

isn't briny solid now?

[cinder fjord]

I'm pretty new to prot, so not sure

[sand egret]

yeah i'm pretty sure it was part of the group of trinkets that got buffed

[cinder fjord]

I have Merektha's for batshit crazy AoE but that has its own issues lol

[strong forum]

Merektha is yikes

[cinder fjord]

Hmm maybe I'll run it then

[strong forum]

But barnacle is good

[cinder fjord]

Oh yeah it's awful since you can't block haha

But the damage is memey as fuck

[exotic spoke]

I found a great use for the 450 merektha’s fang I got early in the season

[cinder fjord]

What is it

[exotic spoke]

I equipped it to both trinket slots, walked over the scrapper, got an expulsom, and made 1k gold with it by selling a platinum whetstone for 10k (1k gold per expulsom)

[cinder fjord]

LOL

So key takeaway is don't use the 410 vial tho - I figured as much just wanted to check

And I didn't realize it got buffed either

[sand egret]

they were ninja buffs

a bunch of trinkets got em

[exotic spoke]

Sorry it was 440

[cinder fjord]

Was it just the damage proc?

I assume the base str was fine

[sand egret]

yeah

[cinder fjord]

Well, lucky for me then haha

[exotic spoke]

I was using 430 trinkets then

[sand egret]

the procs on a lot of the "does damage" trinkets got buffed to match the "gives stats" ones

also includes things like bandages and shit

[distant crystal]

didn't they just make a lot of them scale with crit/vers

that didn't before

[sand egret]

some yeah i'd think so

but briny doesn't, for instance

[strong forum]

Secondary instead of primary scaling

With 8.2

For all trinkets / pieces that had numerical procs

Or rather 'non stat proc' gear

That basically doubled the dmg of such things

[distant crystal]

but my'das talisman was so bad that even those buffs couldn't help it

smh

[strong forum]

Mydas is just...

Idk who ever thought that thing was a good idea

[sand egret]

where are you seeing the secondary scaling?

[strong forum]

That's literally what's been said

[sand egret]

trying to find the coefficients

[strong forum]

That idk

But they had procs scale with primary stats, and changed it to secondary stat scaling

That's all I know about it

[sand egret]

hmm yeah all I'm seeing is their base values being increased

so they scale better with ilvl, not seeing anything related to secondaries. Maybe it's using the secondary weights on the item itself?

[warm plinth]

@sand egret

From the 8.2 patch notes

[sand egret]

but it doesn't say anything about what "secondary stat"

[warm plinth]

Or well, the rise of Azshara patch notes

[sand egret]

grrrr

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk

No transparency from Blizzard as usual

[novel temple]

ok how do you shroud the area after the second boss in ML

[sand egret]

guess ya gotta just slap on some random rings and see what changes lol

[warm plinth]

You don’t. You death skip it.

[distant crystal]

some people will shroud after third boss

just to get less mobs to deal with on the deathskip

don't see it much after 2nd that i recall

[novel temple]

how do we death skip it

[distant crystal]

and a lot of people like shrouding before 2nd boss

cause that last pack is annoying

have a healer meld, or have someone brez the healer who dies first on purpose

[warm plinth]

Have healer die on the edge of Rixxa platform and brez them so they can Rez everyone else

[distant crystal]

or have an engineer rogue vanish rez

etc

[novel temple]

not alliance, horde

[distant crystal]

it's tough with some comps

or downright impossible with others

easiest is have a warlock soulstone the healer but then you're doing a key with a warlock :p

[sand egret]

I ❤ locks

love them rocks that I got

[distant crystal]

one way or another you need to get someone brezzed or combat dropped who can rez

out of range of that pack right before rixxa

and if your comp doesn't allow that, you kill less before first boss and just kill your way to rixxa

[novel temple]

well

its prot war, assas rogue, balance druid, and a fury war

[distant crystal]

so your healer just makes sure they die before the druid by rixxa

druid brezzes healer, they wait for everyone else to die

then mass rez

rogue should probably die too so he can keep his vanish for dmg

[sand egret]

druid can always just stealth and run a bit behind the death pack (not getting brought into aggro) pulse and be fine as well

[distant crystal]

i guess since the druid isn't the healer there it's a little less dicey

if they get in combat they can just toss a brez

[sand egret]

as long as all the masterminds/emissarries are aggro'd it should be fine

but the key is to pick "left" or "right" and make sure your group actually knows their "left" and "right"s

[warm plinth]

It can be kinda tough without lock if you get fucked with lash RNG though

[distant crystal]

go left to live go right to die

is what i always say as alliance with melders and vanishers

[sand egret]

if you aren't on the aggro table you should be fine

[distant crystal]

the faster the dyers die

[warm plinth]

Healer has to be though because they’re getting brezzed in my group usually

[distant crystal]

the less likely someone else gets yoinked into combat

[warm plinth]

We had healer get targeted by 3 lashes simultaneously once and just insta died

[sand egret]

yeah dying fast is strangely hard to do when you want it in some pugs....

[distant crystal]

ysera's gift is annoying there :p

[sand egret]

ooof yeah

that'll get you into trouble

[warm plinth]

Typically it works out but that looming RNG is scary XD

[sand egret]

made that mistake the otherday

[warm plinth]

Last death skip is never an issue

[distant crystal]

so much nicer on alliance with nelf druids

you have multiple failsafes often

and engi rogues

[novel temple]

oh and a resto druid healer

[exotic spoke]

Blade - I need you

[warm plinth]

Our rogues do all have engi so that's nice

But they're alts so they're not always playing rogue

[novel temple]

im about to just go engineering honestly

[exotic spoke]

Wait, you talking about third boss in ML?

[distant crystal]

yeah just have whichever druid dies last (preferably balance) brez the other druid from a safe spot

and yo u're golden

[warm plinth]

We're talking about the death skips at the end of ML. 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th

[distant crystal]

and then between 3rd and 4th, just kill 1 pack and then shroud, dodging the seeing guys as much as you can

and then deathrun the last bit

[exotic spoke]

So uh - you can dwarf the energy lashes off of you

[distant crystal]

ezpz

[warm plinth]

We usually just kill boss then blow up one mob in the last pack

With our route

[random urchin]

Hmm, if you’re not pushing too high you could always bring a sham for ankh

[distant crystal]

not as necessary with reaping gone

[exotic spoke]

Reflect the first two.... as soon as the second two hit - dwarf - then reflect should be up soon after that

[distant crystal]

you can finish your count whenever

[exotic spoke]

Shaman are good in high keys raw full

[warm plinth]

Yeah I know. We don't do it for that reason; just ends up that way on some weeks

Some weeks (like this one), we do peacekeepers. Some other weeks we don't

[random urchin]

Oh I know, was saying if you’re going for some of the highest clears out there they aren’t as popular due to the current meta, though still viable.

[novel temple]

i was trying to do a lot of peacekeeper pulls in the beginning

and the group was just wondering why

[distant crystal]

to show off your positioning skills

look at how the shield is always away from the party

notice me!

[exotic spoke]

There is one in the third highest key done (second highest key timed) and there are a lot over 2k

MDI isn’t meta >.>

[warm plinth]

I don't really know what differentiates when we let them spawn or not tbh.

[distant crystal]

well bolstering is one good reason to interrupt em

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that's a no-brainer. Maybe that is the only weeks we do it; I don't remember.

[novel temple]

also shamans seem to be real good at bursting

if you wanna pull big

at least in my eyes/guesses

[distant crystal]

yeah ele is great prio dmg

[novel temple]

i was thinking resto

but ele too

[warm plinth]

Shaman has a resto spec?

🤔

[random urchin]

I just pug keys in the 14s range and so many groups don’t want to take shamans in my experience. I’m aware that they do well. Maybe at a higher score people are willing to take shams

[exotic spoke]

A ton of classes not represented in MDI do very well in high keys. MDI isn’t a different entity to high (20-22+) keys. That adds in a lot of value to some specs

[random urchin]

Just my experience

[distant crystal]

yeah rsham isn't bad at all

[random urchin]

I wasn’t referring to mdi, just that they aren’t the most popular of dps specs from my experience

[exotic spoke]

Because your group thinks • MDI comp means we have to do it to succeed!•

By no means is any comp required or unable to do keys in that range

I know you’re not - but that’s the average player - from my observation - in that range

They want the double rogue because MDI uses it. They want a prot warrior cause that’s MDI

[novel temple]

really anything past 15 is seemingly just needing coordination

until you get to like 20 is my guess

[warm plinth]

Calm down with your dots Riki

[exotic spoke]

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

What are you going to do about that Ghash

[analog swift]

Also mdi has a completely different goal than high key pushing

[exotic spoke]

^^

MDI != high keys

[analog swift]

Like brewmaster is just as viable if not more so in high keys

Same with ranged dps in general

[sand egret]

@exotic spoke sup?

[exotic spoke]

I need your dwarf to raid with us

[sand egret]

ahem

he's got a name

[exotic spoke]

Rigatony

[sand egret]

put some respect on it too

: ^)

[exotic spoke]

The best dwarf hunter I know. Can he please come and raid two nights a week

[sand egret]

lol you know i'm like 380 right?

with 0 essences

and a neck level of like (minimum)

and my hunter has only one spec

[exotic spoke]

I will get you gear on heroic on Wednesday if you will consider actively raiding

And in m+

[sand egret]

that's a hard ask....

but i feel if you're coming to me....things cant be good

[distant crystal]

who was that quote from

i don't wanna date a girl that would date a guy like me

[exotic spoke]

I see how it is.... fine

You’ll wake up with a horse head in your bed blade

(I was just asking anyone I knew who had a dps char

[sand egret]

lol wow no love for my kitty

i see how it is....

[distant crystal]

what nights do y'all raid? >:D

[exotic spoke]

You’re horde

[distant crystal]

am not

[exotic spoke]

Tuesday Thursday 830 eastern to 1130

Blade is Waat

Sorry, I was responding to him

[distant crystal]

ohh

those are my exact guild raid times though rip

kinda looking for a weekend or offnight raid for my alt

[exotic spoke]

Lol

Rip me.

So uh, how much does each stack of bursting do. 15% ?

[sand egret]

lol nooo

a 6 stack would instagib...

90% hp per tick...

O_O

[exotic spoke]

How much is it

I thought it was 15% split over the course of the 5 seconds. Isn’t that what it used to be or something

[sand egret]

actually its 14$

im an idiot, yeah its over 5

3.5% every 1 second according to wowhead

[exotic spoke]

I think it’s 10% now

Someone showed an image of a 14 stack and I want to see that.

That healer is going hard

[sand egret]

that healer is literally saving 5 lives there

[exotic spoke]

@sand egret should you be interested https://youtu.be/RACVcS-su0k

[sand egret]

perfect! needed something to do on the train

[strong forum]

4:3

AAAAAAAAAAAH

what is this resolution

is this 2001

[sand egret]

80k hps

that healer is fucking PUMPING

[strong forum]

i mean you have to be pumping

[exotic spoke]

I don’t make the video. It’s right at the start too btw

[exotic spoke]

They rolled it a little too

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[sand egret]

yeah that was pretty epic

[exotic spoke]

What’s up late

[oblique garnet]

Not much was just scrolling up looking at this conversation at m+

[sick sentinel]

tl;dr?

[sand egret]

group takes 14 stacks of bursting and lives in a +23

[sick sentinel]

sure

if all stacks happen at the same time

[sand egret]

they rolled it

to boot

[oblique garnet]

Its entirely possible as long as its not extended

[sand egret]

i mean...obviously it is, just watched it happen lol

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but you can take like 20 stacks of bursting etc and it wont matter as long as its at the same time

[sand egret]

word, clip me a video of a 30 stack 🙂

[oblique garnet]

I dont think theres any dungeons where theres enough mobs for that

[sand egret]

sure there are

[oblique garnet]

That are the same health?

Maybe shrine initiates before 2nd spot

[sand egret]

i'm sure you can find a spot

bursting is the first affix

so i'll even take a +4 or whatever

that way you can pull the whole place 🙂

that's what, 105% of your hp every 1 second

something round that

[outer dew]

just big brain

and drop darkness

because every comp runs darkness nowadays

[sand egret]

there ya go

non-affix

[outer dew]

and big brain run mage + rogue

[exotic spoke]

Hello darkness my old friend

[outer dew]

so that two of the boys will always live

oh, 30 stacks?

YEET BLOCK + CLOAK

[sand egret]

but if someone dies

it doesn't count

[outer dew]

aite

run 3 rogues

3x cloak

and spam hots on tank + healer

big brain

[sand egret]

can't gimmick that

[outer dew]

wdym

that's a comp and a half?

[sand egret]

cuz the example didnt

[outer dew]

3 rogue is a valid comp

wdym

[sand egret]

you could run all pallies and surivive infinite stacks

[outer dew]

see

THAT'

[sand egret]

but that's entirely missing the point.

[outer dew]

BIG BRAIN

wdym

that's hte play

but yea

probably just a CD stack for that

you probably burst at once

[sand egret]

the point is not how to game it, the point is to simply survive it with your normal comp

[outer dew]

darkness + personal + cookie

as long as you didnt' stagger it

you should survive it

[sand egret]

example staggered it

tisk tisk

cutting corners

[outer dew]

if you stagger

it's over

LMAO

[sand egret]

staggered from 9 > 12 > 14

still lived

[outer dew]

i mean it's doable

[sand egret]

obvi

[outer dew]

but it's a lot of cursing from the healer

[sand egret]

i saw it happen

[exotic spoke]

They got two extra tickets basically

[sand egret]

keep up

[outer dew]

if you don't have CDS rolling

like example if i blew wings to deal with previous bursting

[exotic spoke]

Healer pumped 80k HPS. Mage Ice blocked

[outer dew]

and then your dumbass

[exotic spoke]

4 people

[outer dew]

decide to stagger the next one

it's me bitching the whole run

I KINDA wanna go back to wow as an hpal

buit playing wow again kidna makes me iffy

i mean

iguess pala wouldn't be too bad with it

what you aura mastery + bubble

[sand egret]

but yeah, it was impressive to watch, esp with the rogue not even cloaking it

[outer dew]

and if you prepped with 3x glimmers

• had a cd rolling

[sand egret]

no prep and it was a druid

[outer dew]

perfectly doable

[sand egret]

tis the point

[outer dew]

i mean, 100%

the druid had hots rolling

druid has to prep to pump those kind of numbers

[sand egret]

you're right, everything is easy and nothing should impress anyone

[outer dew]

wdym

i'mn not saying it's not imp[ressive

i'm saying the druid has to know

when damage is inc

lol

whole part of healing is CD management

and knowing when damage is INC

if you're telling me the druid tried to catch up from 0

you're insane

it's great he healed through it, but you still know that damage spike inc

esp if the guy is running flourish

[sand egret]

even the people in the group "wow that was great"
Prot Discord: PSHHH EZ

[outer dew]

but i never said it was easy

lmao

[undone sun]

😴

[exotic spoke]

Nothing really matters..... nothing really matters at alllllllllllllll

[sand egret]

true words

see, even Thyme is asleep

[outer dew]

smh

even thyme unsubbed again

[sand egret]

it is truly the End Thyme

[oblique garnet]

Stop

[outer dew]

aite

[oblique garnet]

No puns allowed

[outer dew]

time to remove blade from FL

obv

[sand egret]

Stop...

HAMMER THYME

[oblique garnet]

🚔

[exotic spoke]

Am I Late to the party?

[sand egret]

Clearly

but i'm eLated you're back

[outer dew]

btw

how does the conflict and strife work

[sand egret]

mostly stems from disagreements

[outer dew]

is it just like a free talent?

talkign about the essence

qq

[sand egret]

yes, it's a free PvP talent

basically WM on, but everywhere

free talent/ability just plops in normally

[outer dew]

hmm

i see

shame you couldn't choose