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lusty grotto
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have you timed them all at 14?

upbeat minnow
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all +11s and +12s are timed

lusty grotto
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that's why

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look at timed runs only

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and compare yourself with the other person's timed runs

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your non timed runs aren't worth much

upbeat minnow
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So what If I would complete more of the same +12s in time ?

exotic spoke
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You get nothing unless they are faster

lusty grotto
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you could do a non timed 22 and get a bit of rio, and you would still be behind someone that has timed 18s

exotic spoke
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I’d be happy to look at your char and let you know specifics if you’d like lone

upbeat minnow
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So I basicly have to complete the same runs same m+ lvl just faster than I did before ?

exotic spoke
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Depending on how much you miss the timer by, you get the IO of one key lower

lusty grotto
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if you want r.io, keep increasing key level while timing

sand egret
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or complete the same run at a higher level in time

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that's ideally how you improve it

lusty grotto
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that's the same thing i said

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🗞

sand egret
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naw that's what I said

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you just cut in line

left hatch
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same level but faster will give you chump change for io score (like 1 or 2 points)
doing a higher key gives you ~10 points more per level if you time it (that 10 points becomes more and more after you start timing above 15)

lusty grotto
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🗞 🗞 🗞

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correct Morrison

upbeat minnow
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Hmm ok I'll give this a shot. Thanks guys !

left hatch
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so make sure you've done at least 1 time high key for each dungeon

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cause yo'ure probably missing or have a really low one somewhere

sand egret
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yeah, for the longest time I didn't run TD...

lusty grotto
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stupid bears

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🗞 🐻

sand egret
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did not help

lusty grotto
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well TD is the worst fucking dungeon this season so

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i don't blame you

exotic spoke
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I still only have a ML and Siege at 15. Those are holding me back

sand egret
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i don't mind seige

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i hate ML

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so i avoid that like the plague

lusty grotto
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i like all except siege and TD

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even KR, ML, and Shrine

exotic spoke
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You’re horde blade. You don’t know the alliance side

lusty grotto
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sand egret
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in siege? yeah i do

lusty grotto
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fuck TD and Siege though

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this season at least

sand egret
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why don't you jump down

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did they change that?

left hatch
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alliance side has other differences too

exotic spoke
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The mobs are entirely different

upbeat minnow
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Aslong as it's not with Bursting , I don't mind any .. but this week .. bursting ... slows it all down so much

lusty grotto
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lmao being alliance

left hatch
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one of our mobs is a big ol WW boi

sand egret
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ohh right yall got firebombers eh

exotic spoke
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naeno chip

distant crystal
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imagine not being a dwarf

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big oof

lusty grotto
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imagine being alliance and running siege

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Y I K E S

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also with the whole pug population of 12

exotic spoke
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I don’t nim. That’s why my 15 is holding me back for IO

sand egret
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eh bursting is really just a dps thing when it comes to slowing pulls

exotic spoke
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And I don’t pug lol

lusty grotto
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(which 7 of, are absolutely retarded)

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but they are pals

sand egret
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i've had groups where it was a non-factor and others where every pull was a heart attack

lusty grotto
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not paladins, but pals

upbeat minnow
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@sand egret most are heart attack groups for me with pugs ..

lusty grotto
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have you tried pugging as alliance? you will learn to love horde pugs

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like seriously absolutely love them

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"oops we just got a 7 bolstered mob, np at least we're not alliance"

sand egret
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i liked pugging alliance

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s1 was great

lusty grotto
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only with pals

sand egret
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i meet way more asshats horde side ngl

lusty grotto
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pals that give colonoscopies

sand egret
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alli just seems happy to be there

exotic spoke
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If ML and Siege where both timed at the next lowest level key I have completed I’d gain like 70 points

lusty grotto
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hmm idk blade

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alliance are way more trigger happy leavers for sure

sand egret
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oh hell naw

lusty grotto
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its not only that

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but the person that usually leaves is the one that keeps fucking up

sand egret
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i attempted to dps last night...in keys....4/4 groups ended with one bad pull > rage > leavers

lusty grotto
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i suppose it depends on key level

weary thorn
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this season is less pug friendly than last season I've felt

sand egret
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well it was 14-11 lol

lusty grotto
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being alliance is less pug friendly

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therefore

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no pugging keys as nimchy

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ever

sand egret
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more like

lusty grotto
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nimchy perma retired

sand egret
weary thorn
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yea p naeno imo

lusty grotto
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sorry classic took nimchy gearing time

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i at least give my skill to the alliance in there

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exotic spoke
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I know a way for nimchy to get in m+

lusty grotto
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aint gonna happen

sand egret
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its a trap

exotic spoke
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What?

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You don’t even know what I’m going to say

lusty grotto
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negatory

exotic spoke
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What am I going to say?

sand egret
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🍿

lusty grotto
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sorry i cant hear you im logging on my classic server through remote desktop to skip queues

sand egret
exotic spoke
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I’m hurt that you won’t even say what you think I’m going to say

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Can you believe this guy Blade?

sand egret
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totally

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he's naeno chip after all

weary thorn
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yes, yes he is

exotic spoke
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So naeno

weary thorn
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I can leave this discord for a month, come back and hes still naeno chip

exotic spoke
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@lusty grotto hi. I’m still waiting

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@outer dew can we replace nim as one of the gnomies?

lusty grotto
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what

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gnomechip is an integral part of the gnome patrol

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one day the gnomies will assemble

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and it can't happen without gnomechip

exotic spoke
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What did you think I was going to say?

lusty grotto
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ligma

exotic spoke
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Rude

lusty grotto
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i mean thats what i thought you were going to say

exotic spoke
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I was going to say nimchy just had to ask. But now that you said that and assumed I was that much of a dick I rescind my offer

lusty grotto
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whoa

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nimchy is perma retired now though 😢

exotic spoke
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You made your bed. Now you get to lay in it. I was trying to be a friend to nimchy and this is how I get treated?

lusty grotto
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nimchy perma retired!

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gnomechip on the other hand...

outer dew
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Lmao

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Tooozic

warm plinth
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I played exclusively alliance in Legion and never had much trouble pugging

exotic spoke
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I’m still hurt

sand egret
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tbf, I woulda guessed what you were going to say correctly...

weary thorn
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My money was on sugma

exotic spoke
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You were going to suggest I was thinking of@just asking nicely

sand egret
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I thought you were going to say something along the lines of "you can run with me"

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so pretty close

oblique garnet
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🤔

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This wasnt for classic discussions

void berry
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My guild want to keep the adds alive in P2 Orgozoa, except the witch

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We end up with soooo many adds

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I'm taking the D I'm telling you 😦

weary thorn
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I didn't know that calling naeno chip naeno was restricted to a certain game version lol

oblique garnet
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Nono calling @lusty grotto naeno is fine

exotic spoke
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Actually blade, I was going to suggest Gallywix

sand egret
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ahh yeah then i got nothin

lusty grotto
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what is going on

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@oblique garnet coming back from the dead

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😱

warm plinth
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Who is Late?

lusty grotto
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🤷

oblique garnet
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yes ive been resurrected

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Played my warrior today deswind

warm plinth
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😮

oblique garnet
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In a boost run 😦

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got to almost 45 in classic and got bored lul

exotic spoke
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Lol

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Also - Seriously, fuck classic

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Fuck recruiting, fuck blizzard not merging servers

junior ivy
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I was pinged

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Why

exotic spoke
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Nim being naeno chip i think

lusty grotto
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🙀

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cat you have failed the gnomies

oblique garnet
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Why are you playing alliance in classic

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Or any iteration of wow

lusty grotto
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because alliance is superior for pve

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in classic

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and we get ass raped by windfury in pvp

oblique garnet
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Who cares when every bit of content is faceroll xd

lusty grotto
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but not before we get the rogues and druids out of stealth with the super awesome perception /sarcasm

void berry
lusty grotto
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also the superior rep grinding racial

strong forum
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fuck add tanks

oblique garnet
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I mean be glad you get to be the add tank

exotic spoke
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Because of history. We’d have to all faction change.

That’s pretty expensive.

void berry
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Add tank is the life!

lusty grotto
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i can at least admit horde is superior now

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but only because 80% of the player base is horde

exotic spoke
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^^

strong forum
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i have a 51 overall log, and a 95 boss dmg log

lusty grotto
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because racials are still better alliance side 😛

exotic spoke
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It’s only because it has a larger population now

strong forum
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fuck add tanks

oblique garnet
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Horde is better for pvp

lusty grotto
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i disagree

exotic spoke
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Haven’t cared about pvp since cata really so meh

void berry
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Well we got two BRM, why would we not use the war as add tank 😂

lusty grotto
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first of all EMFH has been nerfed for a while but

void berry
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I'm not really enjoying myself tho

lusty grotto
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meld is still fucking ridic

oblique garnet
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Pvp is the only thing in classic tho

void berry
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Apart from details epeen, it's boring.

lusty grotto
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you can still shut down a windfury totem relatively quick

exotic spoke
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Racials don’t matter when it’s about globaling kids Late

oblique garnet
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So is the boss tanking in orgozoa

lusty grotto
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the problem is when you get triple hits on you before you land a hit on the windfury totem

oblique garnet
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The only reason kids got globaled was because it was during a stun 8)

lusty grotto
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use retal, np

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yo

exotic spoke
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Not really late.

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Not in classic

lusty grotto
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yesterday this 10 lvl higher rogue tried to gank me

exotic spoke
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Which is what I thought we were talking about

lusty grotto
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i went really loud in discord "GONNA SHOW THIS ROGUE HOW WE DID IN VANILLA"

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popped retal

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rogue dead

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cant wait until these fuckers pop evasion

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overpower overpower overpower

exotic spoke
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Oh retal. Does it have a shitty animation and not work in stun in classic?

lusty grotto
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it has the animation

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which is feelsbadman

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cause it was funny when it didnt

sand egret
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pretty sure you could hitbox stun it

lusty grotto
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rogues were like WTFHAPPENED

oblique garnet
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Riki you wont kill anyone in one global anymore if they are actually paying any attention at all maybe like a really squishy clothie who panics

sand egret
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like you could with evasion

lusty grotto
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you can

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but overpower

sand egret
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again, no smart rogue is actually ever fighting you

lusty grotto
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correct

sand egret
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but that's the classic fault of that matchup

lusty grotto
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between retal, op, and disarm

sand egret
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it's so much easier to kite a warrior and bleed em out

lusty grotto
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rogues are pretty much fucked unless they are godlike

sand egret
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dead zone dance until restealth and pray that rend times out

lusty grotto
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yup

exotic spoke
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Late, when you get gear it’s entirely different. There’s not much a clothie can do if I charge in, ms crit, auto swing and sword spec. Sorry - unless you’re just as geared you’re going to die

Conversely, I was one shot in Naxx tanking gear while seduced and unable to do anything by a shadow bolt

sand egret
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or...dorf it

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🙂

lusty grotto
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also im engi like i was in vanilla

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for those mages

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gonna get me some mage arse

exotic spoke
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Like, right now sure; but when people start getting geared it doesn’t matter - one shotting will return

lusty grotto
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one shotting will happen with gear disparity for sure

sand egret
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yeah if you werent a tank, you prob didn't have above 5k hp which is what you'd get hit for in one blast via a dual trinket pyro out of a polymorph

lusty grotto
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that's 100% guaranteed

exotic spoke
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Even without gear disparity

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I was in Naxx tanking gear and got one shot while running flags

lusty grotto
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bro

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im gonna get the skull thingie that breaks polys really fast

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i forget the name of it

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put a dot on you or some shit

sand egret
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against certain geared mages, poly was a death sentence

lusty grotto
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it was an offhand

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i think

exotic spoke
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Great, and what about the other times when you can’t use it cause it has a Cd iirc

lusty grotto
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but since you can swap weapons in combat, it was np

oblique garnet
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You mean max lvl mages who are specced to fire for pvp and they insta cast em pyros 8)

bronze lantern
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pom pyr0

exotic spoke
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I was one shot by a warlock, mage, shaman

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In Naxx gear

bronze lantern
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hell yeah one hit every 3 min

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then afk

lusty grotto
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pom pyro ez with engi reflect

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ez ez ez

bronze lantern
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esp nowadays with weakauras

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just track POM

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and u can reflect it for free

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🤧

lusty grotto
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im pretty sure i still have the timer down

exotic spoke
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My point is - one shotting will happen. To say it wont is silly. It doesnt require gear disparity either

bronze lantern
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yes you wont oneshot anyone equally geared to you

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that just wont fucking happen

exotic spoke
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No Anda.

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You’re wrong.

bronze lantern
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unless its slam -> melee -> ms

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yeah sure, keep rewatching 15 yr old pvp montages

exotic spoke
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Did you miss the point where I literally said “I was one shot (globalled) in Naxx tanking gear by a warlock / mage / shaman”

bronze lantern
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where a 2k crit is a oneshot :)

exotic spoke
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I had 6.5k hp

bronze lantern
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then youre A: either remembering wrong
B: that wasnt a oneshot

lusty grotto
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but thats 3v1

exotic spoke
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It was globalled

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No nim. Three separate occasions

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Those three classes where able to do it

lusty grotto
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by a warlock ???????

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pre tbc?

exotic spoke
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Warlock seduced me into trinket shadow bolt / death coil

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Right before tbc pre patch

lusty grotto
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are you sure? lmao

exotic spoke
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Mage was sheep while I couldn’t break it into pyro and something else

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Yes

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I guess it’s better to say globalled. Sorry. Long cast + instant usually was what did it

lusty grotto
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idk man

exotic spoke
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It’s rare - but it’s possible. And if you’re too geared chances are the people you’re playing against won’t be anyway.

lusty grotto
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i can't think of any 1 shots happening on equal gear

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or i can't remember

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i can certainly remember when people outgeared the fuck outta me

exotic spoke
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I mean I know when I out geared them and when I was on equal footing.

A tier difference made a huge impact and one sided fight

lusty grotto
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a tier difference did yeah

exotic spoke
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I think the warlock one was after prepatch. The others I know weren’t

lusty grotto
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it was a marked difference but it wasn't HUGE

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2 tier differences were huge

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like FM gear vs tier 2/3 was rough

exotic spoke
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4/9 dreadnaught pieces and got one shot by a fire mage in Naxx.

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Sorry, globalled.

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Believe me or not - it doesn’t matter. Pvp wasn’t balanced and it could happen. Especially in BGs

lusty grotto
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to be fair dreadnaught did nothing against spell damage

mystic pilot
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If im trialling against another tank and we both perform tactics correctly, how much would DPS parses matter?

exotic spoke
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It had more stamina and that’s all you could do if you didn’t know who you where facing next

mystic pilot
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Do people take that into account for tanks

exotic spoke
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Depends on the guild Chad.

oblique garnet
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If the officers only take into account parses they are morons

lusty grotto
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if they are smart they will also look at damage taken

exotic spoke
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I’d look at dps numbers, ehrps, mechanical failures, attitude, positioning, attendance, and a lot more

lusty grotto
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damage taken first, ability usage, then parses

exotic spoke
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In no particular order

lusty grotto
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but again

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we aren't them

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so

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i suppose you would have to hope they aren't dumb

mystic pilot
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Yeah but the other trial is female

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That makes people dumb

lusty grotto
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🤷

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if she is as good as you

exotic spoke
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I mean - if they go with that as the reasoning then you don’t want to be there

lusty grotto
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i wouldn't go out blaming their gender

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in today's age

exotic spoke
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Like if that’s the deciding factor

If she’s better than you in other ways then sucks to suck

lusty grotto
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just look at it on a skill level

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if you think you both performed well

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you really can't do much about it, you both are good players

exotic spoke
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Do you both know your off specs? What class does she play?

mystic pilot
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Im saying they seem to be performing worse in most metrics

lusty grotto
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are they?

exotic spoke
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Do you have a log and I’ll give you an honest opinion

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Or two logs would be better

lusty grotto
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you said she was performing tactics correctly, so which is it

mystic pilot
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Well i was asking after tactics

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What was important to look at

lusty grotto
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whos the tank lead

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what class

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he is the one that will probably decide

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or she

mystic pilot
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Lead is pala

lusty grotto
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shrug

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being denied of a guild isn't the be all end all

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but honestly we really can't tell if we don't have logs

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but even then we aren't the ones that are gonna accept or deny you

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i suppose the only thing we could say in that regard is that you (a) didn't do as well as you thought you did, or (b) that you dodged a bullet of a guild

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or (c) that both of you are good so it was a toss up

mystic pilot
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Nothing has been decided yet just trying to judge how we're doing

lusty grotto
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again we can give you OUR opinion if you link logs

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otherwise, idk what else we can tell you

exotic spoke
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No public logs

lusty grotto
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I can't think of a reason to not personally log

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If he gets denied he can post them just out of spite and we can evaluate them

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More for the 2nd reason and not the 1st :p

mystic pilot
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Cant log fucks my pc performance

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Im at the mercy of others on this one

onyx vessel
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My guilds tank slots arent skill based

exotic spoke
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Rip

onyx vessel
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Its how bad they are dpsing

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Im not bad as fury

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1 of the tanks the brm as ww he cant do over 20k

warm plinth
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But WW is a hard spec 😏

exotic spoke
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Sleeper spec

oblique garnet
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Ww is not even bad

warm plinth
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Legit though, I have heard that about WW so much and I'm like wtf is hard about it. Especially since Serenity isn't the go-to build anymore.

onyx vessel
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Hes bad at dpsing

winter skiff
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Which benetic gear r we looking for protection

warm plinth
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And Serenity wasn't even hard; just left little room for error

sand egret
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its mostly not getting owned via their mastery

warm plinth
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Yep basically

oblique garnet
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You mean the dont press 2 of the same buttons?

warm plinth
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Exactly XD

sand egret
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yeeep

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sounds small

onyx vessel
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Doable as fury

warm plinth
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It's major if you are bad at it

sand egret
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but it really adds up when your mastery is a flat scalar

warm plinth
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I mained WW from MoP through Legion and that was probably the #1 thing you saw in the current mastery iteration: people double casting Blackout Kick or Tiger Palm

sand egret
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plus it prob compounds if they take that talent which boosts damage even more

onyx vessel
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That would be a issue

oblique garnet
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Hit combo?

warm plinth
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Yeah, it's less punishing than it was before but it still hurts to reset Hit Combo

sand egret
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yeah since you gotta ramp it if you mess up

warm plinth
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It was a much bigger buff earlier in Legion

sand egret
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so factor in the chaos of an actual raid fight and it can be punishing

onyx vessel
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In prot war discord we go offtopic all the time

oblique garnet
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As soon as azhara dies my brm goes to ww

winter skiff
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Which benetic gear r we looking for protection 😦

sand egret
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benthics 🤢

oblique garnet
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@winter skiff if you want to maximize dps the same as every other dps player

onyx vessel
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Bracers boots gloves belt

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In that order

oblique garnet
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You dont specifically go for those tho you go for ilvl

sand egret
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does plate get the fucking crit damage one?

warm plinth
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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What's benthic? 😄

onyx vessel
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More deeps

oblique garnet
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Everyone gets those

winter skiff
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Which perk on them should we be aiming for

warm plinth
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Bleh

oblique garnet
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The effects are the same

winter skiff
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Arent some different

warm plinth
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I don't think anything changes across the specs so the ones that are the best for other specs are the best for us

winter skiff
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Some offer swim speed etc

oblique garnet
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Those are useless

winter skiff
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Yeah

onyx vessel
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Would belt fix aggro issue of being shit help

sand egret
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i thought there was variance upon armor type personally

onyx vessel
warm plinth
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There are a couple slots that have marginally different ones but I don't think any of them are a massive difference

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Like one is slightly less damage than the other

oblique garnet
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If you go for benthic pieces you go for the same ones as #fury has in pins

sand egret
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Madjay, that belt wont fix your “is shit” affix 😁

onyx vessel
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Fuck

winter skiff
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Is it requires for mythic raiding

onyx vessel
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Im sad

winter skiff
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Required*

onyx vessel
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Nah

sand egret
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got plenty of mythic raiders in here with out em

exotic spoke
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No, it’s not required in general for mythic raiding. Though, your mileage may vary depending on your guilds attitude

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I don’t have them and I do well enough

warm plinth
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you are mileage

exotic spoke
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Fucking phone

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I hate you ghash

warm plinth
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lmao

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onyx vessel
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🍿

sand egret
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NO YOU AHHH

oblique garnet
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Im not using benthic on my warrior but on my monk i have them

onyx vessel
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Dont need it on the warrior

exotic spoke
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You don’t need a lot of shit.

onyx vessel
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I got full benthic but the belt i dont use it

sand egret
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a shield and a can-do attitude

warm plinth
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I don't think anyone is using benthic because they need it; they're using it because they are competing (or want to pretend they're competing) for parses

onyx vessel
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Shield breaks mid pull

exotic spoke
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I’m going to start using them. Have to upgrade several pieces

Feels bad though replacing 445-455 some of which have sockets

onyx vessel
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Fuckkkk

sand egret
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or if the “need” is “needing” to squeak out more damage cuz of a dps check ya’ll cant quite hit

exotic spoke
#

All in the name of dps / parsing

sand egret
#

thats why indestructible shield is godlike

#

saves you so much money

exotic spoke
#

I miss my indestructible shield

oblique garnet
#

You should sim which benthic pieces would be upgrade over your 445+ socketed pieces riki

#

And by how much

exotic spoke
#

Yeah, I had the pearls laying around so I randomed and got 3.. need to figure out what to prioritize

#

I know all of them gave a net gain. I just don’t remember how much each individual piece gave

lusty grotto
#

I think boots are the highest dps increase maybe

#

Belt too if aberration vs zaqul

warm plinth
#

You're a DPS increase

exotic spoke
#

Time to steal the rdruids premium sim account

lusty grotto
#

Either way benthic does absolutely fucking nothing in keys so you're not gonna replace anything

exotic spoke
#

When I get home

#

Nim - what’s nimchy doing tonight

outer dew
#

@warm plinth ghash I love you bby

#

Dont listen to them

warm plinth
#

Ily too

exotic spoke
#

Oof

outer dew
#

Thanks babe

#

And man

exotic spoke
#

❤ you tofu

outer dew
#

I'm in a weird spot

#

Love ya too riki

#

I wanna play wow again

#

But I dont wanna raid

exotic spoke
#

What spot is that

outer dew
#

But if I raid

exotic spoke
#

Do m+

outer dew
#

I'm gonna be miserable

#

M+ is only enjoyable when ya got a group

exotic spoke
#

You can find a group I believe in you

outer dew
#

That's too much work mang

#

And all the dailies I gotta do again

#

Fuck

exotic spoke
#

The best things in life are worth working towards

oblique garnet
#

Just log in to afk in great seal

outer dew
#

Yea, but wow end game

#

Is basically sit in queue for half an hour

#

Because half the fuckers in keys already or you hate the person queuing up

#

And then tilting in raid for 3 hours a night

warm plinth
#

Sounds like you need a new game

elfin nexus
#

anyone have any general recs for when to make your edicts magic dmg?

#

for m+

#

do u ever keep it all magic dmg for certain instances?

sand egret
#

certainly would for the last two bosses in ML, for instance

#

definitely for Shadow of Zul

oblique garnet
#

I wouldnt switch edicts just for shadow of zul

#

Its essentially throwing away entire dungeons worth of physical damage absorb for 40s cd of magical damage on a mob that either has to die fast or you kite it

sand egret
#

cant you just switch it back...

outer dew
#

Man

#

Remember the days when you could death skip zul

elfin nexus
#

u lose the fantacism

sand egret
#

in 40 sec

outer dew
#

I remember, you member?

oblique garnet
#

If you switch it, the fanatism resets

sand egret
#

sure but at that point its tiddly winks

#

its either fort where that asshole is the real kicker

#

or its tyrn against blockable blade combno

oblique garnet
#

Its at best one 70-90k absorb on zul

#

Vs fullu stacked one

#

Its not worth

outer dew
#

Just take it to the face like a man

sand egret
#

buyt the fully stacked does nothing...?

outer dew
#

Btw

strong forum
#

Just run magical for entire dungeon

outer dew
#

Blade, your new pfp throws me off

#

Pepehands

#

It's like a tiny brown penis

oblique garnet
#

??? wdym the fully stacked one does nothing

#

On zul?

#

Sure

sand egret
#

shadow of zul doesnt do any physs

oblique garnet
#

It does melee

#

But its insignificant

sand egret
#

and we're a warrior.

oblique garnet
#

After you are done with zul theres still a boss left

exotic spoke
#

You’re a bear blade

oblique garnet
#

You get what im trying to say?

sand egret
#

yeah

#

the boss is blade combo

oblique garnet
#

😑

sand egret
#

and youre stacking mid fight anyway

outer dew
#

Wdym

#

Bear is superior tank than warrior

#

Hello?

undone sun
#

👀

exotic spoke
#

😦

oblique garnet
#

Bear is not great but not bad

outer dew
#

See

#

Clear warrior is in worse tier

junior ivy
#

hi

#

i had my first day of class today

#

and guess what everyone talked about

#

WoW classic

undone sun
#

hi

#

ofc

sand egret
#

👀

onyx vessel
#

👀

#

Brm then everyone else

#

Well balanced tanks all around

novel temple
#

Had anyone else noticed how the edict buff seems to be a bit, buggy?

#

Sometimes when I scroll over it’s showing a 10% mark and lower absorb than base absorb on the trinket

jagged bay
#

i noticed that with turning warmode on and off only in world content tho

novel temple
#

oh, thats why

#

im in wm

warm plinth
#

Oh, yeah they nerfed it for PvP I believe, significantly

onyx vessel
#

Mostly dps using it as well as tanks

distant crystal
#

i see that a lot when rezzing in EP

onyx vessel
#

In pvp

distant crystal
#

it will show 10% fanaticism but lower than normal 0% fanat shield

#

but it resets on boss pull anyway so kinda disregarded

junior ivy
#

Hi

undone sun
#

hi

exotic spoke
#

hi

warm plinth
#

hi

rugged pewter
#

on azshara p4, does the beams always spawn/move the same way?

jade socket
#

The beam behavior is predictable if that’s what you are asking

#

Once it spawns it’ll go the same way

#

afaik

rugged pewter
#

how do you tell which way it goes when it spawns

jade socket
#

I believe it never goes towards the console

solar delta
#

How many ilvls are the Mechagon bracers worth dropping for? Any opinions on that?

strong forum
#

id value them at 5ilvl

#

max

solar delta
#

Really

#

They seem liked they'd be pretty strong I would've thought

strong forum
#

they have to be TF like shit to become remotely relevant so i havent put much thought into it

frosty vigil
#

Question on haste and when enough if enough, with a 5 stack of into the fray, before my overclock proc, I have 38% haste. Would you guys pick up cyclotronic for the extra damage or just keep the overclock card?

undone sun
#

no real reachable too much

sullen valve
#

Y E E T

regal warren
#

I know someone who says that court and ashvane trinkets are bad, are they really bad?

ionic fern
#

I assume you're talking about Urchin not Razor Coral?
I wouldn't call Urchin/edict bad tbh.
They have a higher base ilvl due to dropping from raids and the effects are decent - as always with most gear, it depends on what you're comparing them to.

drifting shadow
#

Hey, I have a question. I’m currently running urchin and computation device with subroutine overclock(1200) and vers, haste logic board. Now would it make sense for me to switch the overclock for a gleaming eye or perhaps even for my socketed 440 red button? I read the overclock bests most trinkets even at 445.

quick yarrow
#

Hey all, a Alch Stone (440+socket) or 430 Rezan Eye ?

weary thorn
#

Probably go rezan

brittle owl
#

depends on your other option

#

maybe it's worse than those two and you just go rezan and stone

weary thorn
#

Theres always that possibility too

quick yarrow
#

I have 440 Edict from Court

brittle owl
#

i mean

#

depends on what you want to do

#

for damage obv rezan and stone

#

if you wanna turtle edict+stone would be a better choice tbh

#

more beefy pots

#

plus higher ilvl and socket

quick yarrow
#

Isn't Rezan haste proc is also good defense option?

undone sun
#

procs defensively aren't always the best

#

unreliable

brittle owl
#

^

undone sun
#

it can be good if procced at the right time

#

but you can't control that

brittle owl
#

even though haste is one of the better procs, its still unreliable

#

stone is always there

#

and the str proc is giga on aoe

sinful stone
#

why are we enchanting force multiplier now instead of quick?

brittle owl
#

more stats

#

and better dps

#

you can enchant quick

#

nothing wrong with that

#

force is similar in defensive value and way better offensively

sinful stone
#

is it really more stats

#

force is 264 +170

#

quick nav is hard to tell an average on, but 600 hate with main proc

brittle owl
#

it's not that hard, hold up

undone sun
#

i mean, it's also where quick will always be haste proc but force won't

sinful stone
#

force always procs haste i believe as it is your highest stat

undone sun
#

if it is your highest, yes

#

but it's also affected by other stat increases

brittle owl
#

so on a 4 min fight(grong hc early bod)

#

quick gave me 184 avg haste

undone sun
#

point is, there's a chance where it's not always haste

#

where quick is

brittle owl
#

if haste is your highest stat

#

force > quick

#

even defensively

#

if its not, then quick is 'better'

distant crystal
#

haste is barely above crit

#

and i wear a block and a bbi piece

#

so i use quick

sinful stone
#

how does recalibration punchcard compare to overlock?

#

for dps recalibration is better

drifting shadow
#

Any thoughts on the merits of overclock 1200 vs rezan or other higher ilvl trinks?

sick sentinel
#

the thing about overclock and rezan's is that one has str and the other has secondaries

#

if you get a titanforged yellow one then sure

brittle owl
#

honestly i wouldn't use the pocket sized with anything other than cyclotronic

drifting shadow
#

Really? I might see about getting rezan then. On icy veins they made overclock out to be insane, that’s why I’m confused.

#

Thanks for your help

junior ivy
#

Why you guys up so early

ionic fern
#

13:01 *

#

What

sick sentinel
#

yo mwahi we're in the same timezone

#

nice

ionic fern
cinder pasture
#

Y’all are 1 hour in the future 😦

sick sentinel
#

btw

#

we did it lads

#

I went prot for 1 kill

#

I'm done with prot loot this tier

#

all I need is krakenshell shoulders

#

and I am complete

ionic fern
#

Niiiiice.

junior ivy
#

Its 7am

cinder pasture
#

That sounds terrible 😛

junior ivy
#

It is

ionic fern
#

Why are you even up at 7am?

#

o.o

junior ivy
#

School at 830

autumn pendant
#

DONT YOU WISH YOUR TRINKET WAS HOT LIKE ME

sick sentinel
#

imagine not having a socket

ionic fern
#

^

#

Not even 450.

#

And bragging

#

Smh

autumn pendant
#

I came to wrong neighbourhood

sick sentinel
#

even in fury

#

they will tell you

oblique garnet
#

Only 445

sick sentinel
#

imagine not having a socket

#

stat proc items scale like 5 times less with sockets than damage procs items

#

so sockets are super valuable on them

#

like 20 ilvls or something dumb

autumn pendant
#

Dirty bastards

ionic fern
#

😂

autumn pendant
#

Just a side note

#

I hate you all

sick sentinel
#

same raz

#

same

#

autumn pendant
#

So we hate them all

#

Together?

#

But seriously, i dont really have good trinkets for prot. So i just showed off a bit here 😭

sick sentinel
#

no I just hate you

autumn pendant
#

No you dont

sick sentinel
#

true

#

I don't

#

love ya bud

autumn pendant
#

Leech

ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

800 leech from lucid minor tho

#

Kapp

#

that's 20%

#

leechcap

ionic fern
#

Don't give out secret strats Kaege.

sick sentinel
#

LMAO

warm plinth
#

Leech cap 🤔

proven tundra
#

anyone got that spreadsheet that shows what can be reflected in each M+ dungeon?

ionic fern
proven tundra
#

tyty

hidden plaza
#

I take it font would be bad for m+ use?

sick sentinel
#

Depends

#

The more people that use font in your group the better

#

If all 4 are using it

#

It's bis

hidden plaza
#

the time to stand and channel is worth it?

sick sentinel
#

If you make a massive pull with it

#

Ya

#

3k str is a lot

hidden plaza
#

So just pull around it like you would other cd's

sick sentinel
#

Yeah

oblique garnet
#

if you have font with everyone in the group you channel it in unison

sick sentinel
#

And if you run with fire mage

oblique garnet
#

otherwise dont use it

sick sentinel
#

You have to pull around combust anyway

hidden plaza
#

Yeah i get how in a 5 man with all 5 it would be very strong

sick sentinel
#

Or ret pala

#

Pull around crusade

#

Also 2min

#

Etc

hidden plaza
#

ty ty

sick sentinel
#

🤣

oblique garnet
#

Delete this

warm plinth
#

😂

ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

@oblique garnet I want a demo shout weak aura because I lost mine and the one I found was not working as I want

#

it doesn't extend when I clap

oblique garnet
#

?

#

Wdym

sick sentinel
#

wait

#

obs time lmao

oblique garnet
#

inb4 doesnt have any dcs

strong forum
#

i just track the debuff on my target

#

done

sick sentinel
#

no man

#

wait

#

why is OBS studio files so long

#

wtf

strong forum
#

like i said, i just track debuff on target

oblique garnet
#

Cant you just upload it to like gfycat or smth?

sick sentinel
#

cba

#

just open it

warm plinth
#

That's weird lol

#

Is it some random WA you picked up somewhere that's just counting out 8 seconds from when you cast it or some shit?

strong forum
#

probably

sick sentinel
#

most of my weak auras are made by willow

#

and it used to work

#

properly

#

and then it stopped working

warm plinth
#

Odd

oblique garnet
#

🤷 Dunno i dont have any specific demoshout wa's it just shows the debuff on top of the nameplates

sick sentinel
#

sure

oblique garnet
#

other than one tracking its cd

strong forum
#

its giga tiny compared to yours though

sick sentinel
#

ofc it is

strong forum
#

hah.

#

funny jöke

sick sentinel
#

yours works

#

but it's ugly as fuck

strong forum
#

how is it ugly

#

its literally just demo shout

#

but zoomed by 35% so you dont have the retarded blizz borders

#

if you want shitty 10p borders just set zoom to 0%

sick sentinel
#

🤔

strong forum
#

ah you want the glow

sick sentinel
#

isfine though

#

I can copy settings

#

thanks nome

strong forum
#

just set glow

#

glow type pixel glow

sick sentinel
#

I started copying settings

#

and changed the multi target

#

to target

#

and it is fine now

strong forum
#

i guess

sick sentinel
#

thanks nome

#

it's good enough

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

Like

#

Ideally

#

All my targets should have demo shout on them

strong forum
#

you could prolly create a weakaura that tracks how many targets have demo shout and then display that "stack" number

#

but thats too advanced

#

and beyond unnecessary

sick sentinel
#

Unnecessary

#

I wanna know a few things

strong forum
#

if you do a 10 mob pull, and only 8 have the debuff the WA wont tell you which ones dont have the debuff

sick sentinel
#

"Is my shit up" (uptime of the buff)
"Can I cast it" (if I see it up there, either saturated because it's up or unsaturated because it's on cd then no)

strong forum
#

thats just a general WA

sick sentinel
#

Exactly

strong forum
#

i was specifically talking bout the stack thingy

oblique garnet
#

??? wait what are you trying to achieve kage

sick sentinel
#

I just wanna see if my shit is up

oblique garnet
#

Dont your nameplates show the duration of debuff on it?

sick sentinel
#

Yes but

oblique garnet
#

Dont you have an individual tracker for demoshout?

sick sentinel
#

I like seeing the part on top of my unit frame

oblique garnet
#

?

sick sentinel
#

Example: I see a crush from tyrranical groot coming

#

Do I ask for bark or not?

#

If I have sb and demo up I won't

#

If I have only sb up and not demo shout no

#

Stuff like that

#

I want all the info in a single glance

strong forum
#

kaege is slowly developing an actual ui

#

and not the abomination that is asmongold ui

sick sentinel
#

My ui is amazing

ionic fern
#

Picture.

strong forum
#

your ui is literally asmongold

warm plinth
#

wants all info at a single glance
has the grossest UI ever

ionic fern
#

Show me your UI. 😮

strong forum
#

its digusting

#

dont look at it

warm plinth
#

It'll hurt your eyes

sick sentinel
#

You're disgusting

autumn pendant
#

Do it do it do it

strong forum
#

literally Quin / Asmongold level of ui

oblique garnet
sick sentinel
#

Oh come on

#

Quin has worse UI than me

ionic fern
#

Show meeeeeeeeeeeee

strong forum
#

idk, you got the basic "i just got bartender" ui

#

and have everything everywhere

oblique garnet
#

Trust me you dont want to see kages ui

strong forum
#

thats the vibe i get off of it

oblique garnet
#

but seriously tho @sick sentinel Like in that pic or what do you mean

warm plinth
#

Like he just installed 30 addons and left all of them in their default location

ionic fern
#

😂

strong forum
#

atleast its not herudra's ui

#

that mans UI is insanely bad

oblique garnet
#

Wdym herudras ui is clean

#

Real gamer ui

strong forum
#

its just his HUGE hp bar in the middl

sick sentinel
#

ya kind of

strong forum
#

and obligatory 2 WAs

#

of SB

#

and w/e

#

im amazed the dude sees anything

sick sentinel
#

@ionic fern logging back in for you

ionic fern
#

Awwwwwwww

warm plinth
#

I can't say my UI is good but I am confident that it's better than Kaege's.

queen fulcrum
#

I'm intrigued to see this

oblique garnet
#

its awful

#

Sco's ui is better

ionic fern
#

Wooooah.

#

It's hard to have a worse UI than Sco.

#

o.o

sick sentinel
#

I need to get rid of the personal resource display and get a weakaura

strong forum
#

sco's ui is saved by being basic elvui

sick sentinel
#

LMAO

autumn pendant
#

skyhold 🤔 skyhold 🤔

strong forum
#

not as bad as i remember it

queen fulcrum
#

WOTLK wants its UI back 😂

warm plinth
#

Yeah I think it has improved since last time

strong forum
#

das a big ass bag in the corner

sick sentinel
#

I wanna see how much bagslots I have left man

strong forum
#

press B

sick sentinel
#

I never actually click it

#

but I like it

strong forum
#

15 bag slots

#

is giving me anxiety

warm plinth
#

That's like 15 more than I normally have available

strong forum
#

i need like 40 to not feel crammed

ionic fern
#

Why do you have 3 different SB trackers tho? o.o

sick sentinel
#

one is block tracker

strong forum
#

cuz his UI is clean

#

dont you kinow

warm plinth
#

Because he wants all the information in one glance 😏

sick sentinel
#

that tracks both SB and LS

strong forum
ionic fern
#

300k. rich boy.

sick sentinel
exotic spoke
#

When he’s angry he cba to look in a specific place so he needs it everywhere

ionic fern
#

😂

strong forum
#

CLEAN YOUR BAGS

#

WTF

sick sentinel
#

I didn't visit the scrapper or the mailbox

ionic fern
#

That is horrible.

#

rofl

sick sentinel
#

or the vendor

#

for that matter

warm plinth
#

Kaege's bags are what mine looked like before AdiBags

sick sentinel
#

no

#

listen

strong forum
#

fucking mechagon shit

#

and nazj shit

oblique garnet
strong forum
#

385 cloak.

sick sentinel
#

yes

#

the murloc vendor cloak

oblique garnet
#

^

strong forum
#

400 pvp trinket

warm plinth
#

So the question here is

strong forum
#

BOBS BARGAIN

#

FUCK OUTTA HERE

#

still having legendaries and artifact in bags

warm plinth
#

Is Late just embarrassed at how broke he is, or is he just not flexing his gold?

strong forum
#

wtf

#

the fucking plating trinket

#

breh

sick sentinel
#

no bob's bargain

strong forum
#

scrap yo shit

sick sentinel
#

it has speed on it

#

I need it for speed set

strong forum
#

415 azerites

sick sentinel
#

with longstrider

#

yes

strong forum
#

breh

oblique garnet
#

I have bunch of useless shit and also @warm plinth im broke

strong forum
#

speed sets :aah:

exotic spoke
#

How do you guys function with less than 40 or slow bag sets

warm plinth
#

Me too Late. Me too.

oblique garnet
#

only have 400k 😦

warm plinth
#

I mean

ionic fern
#

I got 50k

warm plinth
#

I'm broker than that

exotic spoke
#

How are you guys so broke? Jesus Christ

strong forum
#

just buy tokens

#

thats how i get my gold

warm plinth
ionic fern
#

Mostly cause i don't have any professions and i don't do anything to get gold.

#

😂

exotic spoke
ionic fern
#

O.o

warm plinth
#

I leveled herb/alc to make money. Then realized that farming anchor weed is legit ass

exotic spoke
#

Made about 4M in carries in legion. Bought a bunch of tokens

strong forum
#

i spent like 10mil this expac

#

lowkey

exotic spoke
#

so I have a lot in my blizzard balance

strong forum
#

i made like 500k off of boosts total in BFA cuz im a lazy shit

#

and i hate randoms

sick sentinel
#

this is better

warm plinth
#

Nome, on a scale of 1 to Nimchip, how toxic would you say you are in PUGs?

strong forum
#

i dont pug

exotic spoke
#

Can’t fault him for that

warm plinth
#

Nope.

strong forum
#

but atleast 9/Nim

#

one might say

#

Nom/Nim

warm plinth
#

lol

sick sentinel
#

@strong forum everying in that bug is completely needed and nessasary

exotic spoke
#

Lol

strong forum
#

mechagon?

#

you still farm crates?

sick sentinel
#

I still need some blueprints

oblique garnet
#

Reagent bank

warm plinth
#

It actually took me like...a long time to discover the deposit all reagents button

#

I also forgot the reagent bank even existed for a long time (I rediscovered it when I found the deposit all button) lol

sick sentinel
#

I know late

#

but every time I go there

#

I loot like one of those shits

#

so might as well have them stay there

exotic spoke
#

how do you guys function with sub 40?

sacred bear
#

So who are the tankiest dps that can soak bubbles on Ashvane
DH for sure

oblique garnet
#

@sacred bear paladin

sacred bear
#

oh yeah why is that? do they have a lot of healing

oblique garnet
#

they have the best mitigation against magic damage

#

also bubble + spellward

sick sentinel
#

late

#

vendor the breaths

#

of bobsalami

sacred bear
#

No no im talking about dps

sick sentinel
#

just like, nuke them

oblique garnet
#

warlocks dhs fury warriors are the best dps

sacred bear
#

fury warriors huh

#

do they leech?

oblique garnet
#

They heal alot yes

sacred bear
#

Are boomys tanky at all?

sick sentinel
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fury can do 11k hps per target

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up to 5 targets

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with the right traits

strong forum
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my reagent bank is looking the same

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absolutely filled to the brim

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constantly have to delete / sell stupid shit

sick sentinel
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my reagent bank is...

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I don't wanna talk about it

strong forum
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empty

sick sentinel
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I wish

exotic spoke
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My reagent bank is fucked too. Maybe 5-8 slots open

shadow tapir
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So after simming for the most damage possible on a Patchwerk fight, the best gear is a huge clustered mess. >.< feels bad.

sick sentinel
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Define huge clustered mess

warm plinth
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I'm not sure what that means tbh lol

shadow tapir
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Easier to show you. Feels like everything is all over the place.

sick sentinel
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No dc

shadow tapir
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That final gear array is after several sims.

sick sentinel
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oh yeah because devastator

shadow tapir
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I have a piece I can swap in for DC but it was a 900 pint dps loss

sick sentinel
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Monka

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It's a dps loss because dc does nothing for dps if you're not using booming voice

warm plinth
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Yeah, DC loses like 90% of its value without BV

exotic spoke
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You lose 90% of your value

warm plinth
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💔

exotic spoke
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Lol

shadow tapir
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For pure parsing, (we are reclearing tonight so I just wanna push my dmg and see what i can do) devastator is better over BV correct?

sick sentinel
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Yeah

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Also

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Benthic

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With sockets

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If you wanna parse

shadow tapir
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Yep, I was about to gear compare next, I have 500 mana pearls to spend on the benthic lottery

exotic spoke
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It’s a crutch (I say as I’m now simming the benthic pieces over my current gear)

sick sentinel
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Using multiple at 415>having one at 425

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And ofc always, sockets

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Also