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all +11s and +12s are timed
that's why
look at timed runs only
and compare yourself with the other person's timed runs
your non timed runs aren't worth much
So what If I would complete more of the same +12s in time ?
You get nothing unless they are faster
you could do a non timed 22 and get a bit of rio, and you would still be behind someone that has timed 18s
I’d be happy to look at your char and let you know specifics if you’d like lone
So I basicly have to complete the same runs same m+ lvl just faster than I did before ?
Depending on how much you miss the timer by, you get the IO of one key lower
same level but faster will give you chump change for io score (like 1 or 2 points)
doing a higher key gives you ~10 points more per level if you time it (that 10 points becomes more and more after you start timing above 15)
Hmm ok I'll give this a shot. Thanks guys !
so make sure you've done at least 1 time high key for each dungeon
cause yo'ure probably missing or have a really low one somewhere
yeah, for the longest time I didn't run TD...
did not help
I still only have a ML and Siege at 15. Those are holding me back
You’re horde blade. You don’t know the alliance side
❤
in siege? yeah i do
alliance side has other differences too
The mobs are entirely different
Aslong as it's not with Bursting , I don't mind any .. but this week .. bursting ... slows it all down so much
lmao being alliance
one of our mobs is a big ol WW boi
ohh right yall got firebombers eh
chip
imagine being alliance and running siege
Y I K E S
also with the whole pug population of 12
I don’t nim. That’s why my 15 is holding me back for IO
eh bursting is really just a dps thing when it comes to slowing pulls
And I don’t pug lol
i've had groups where it was a non-factor and others where every pull was a heart attack
not paladins, but pals
@sand egret most are heart attack groups for me with pugs ..
have you tried pugging as alliance? you will learn to love horde pugs
like seriously absolutely love them
"oops we just got a 7 bolstered mob, np at least we're not alliance"
only with pals
i meet way more asshats horde side ngl
pals that give colonoscopies
alli just seems happy to be there
If ML and Siege where both timed at the next lowest level key I have completed I’d gain like 70 points
oh hell naw
its not only that
but the person that usually leaves is the one that keeps fucking up
i attempted to dps last night...in keys....4/4 groups ended with one bad pull > rage > leavers
i suppose it depends on key level
this season is less pug friendly than last season I've felt
well it was 14-11 lol
more like
nimchy perma retired

yea p
imo
sorry classic took nimchy gearing time
i at least give my skill to the alliance in there
☑
I know a way for nimchy to get in m+
aint gonna happen
its a trap
negatory
What am I going to say?
🍿
sorry i cant hear you im logging on my classic server through remote desktop to skip queues

I’m hurt that you won’t even say what you think I’m going to say
Can you believe this guy Blade?
yes, yes he is
So 
I can leave this discord for a month, come back and hes still
chip
@lusty grotto hi. I’m still waiting
@outer dew can we replace nim as one of the gnomies?
what
gnomechip is an integral part of the gnome patrol
one day the gnomies will assemble
and it can't happen without gnomechip
What did you think I was going to say?
ligma
Rude
i mean thats what i thought you were going to say
I was going to say nimchy just had to ask. But now that you said that and assumed I was that much of a dick I rescind my offer
You made your bed. Now you get to lay in it. I was trying to be a friend to nimchy and this is how I get treated?
I played exclusively alliance in Legion and never had much trouble pugging
I’m still hurt
tbf, I woulda guessed what you were going to say correctly...
My money was on sugma
You were going to suggest I was thinking of@just asking nicely
I thought you were going to say something along the lines of "you can run with me"
so pretty close
My guild want to keep the adds alive in P2 Orgozoa, except the witch
We end up with soooo many adds
I'm taking the D I'm telling you 😦
I didn't know that calling
chip
was restricted to a certain game version lol
Nono calling @lusty grotto
is fine
Actually blade, I was going to suggest Gallywix
ahh yeah then i got nothin
Who is Late?
🤷
😮
Lol
Also - Seriously, fuck classic
Fuck recruiting, fuck blizzard not merging servers
Nim being
chip i think
because alliance is superior for pve
in classic
and we get ass raped by windfury in pvp
Who cares when every bit of content is faceroll xd
but not before we get the rogues and druids out of stealth with the super awesome perception /sarcasm
4% try Gorgonzola D:
also the superior rep grinding racial
fuck add tanks
I mean be glad you get to be the add tank
Because of history. We’d have to all faction change.
That’s pretty expensive.
Add tank is the life!
i can at least admit horde is superior now
but only because 80% of the player base is horde
^^
i have a 51 overall log, and a 95 boss dmg log
because racials are still better alliance side 😛
It’s only because it has a larger population now
fuck add tanks
Horde is better for pvp
i disagree
Haven’t cared about pvp since cata really so meh
Well we got two BRM, why would we not use the war as add tank 😂
first of all EMFH has been nerfed for a while but
I'm not really enjoying myself tho
meld is still fucking ridic
Pvp is the only thing in classic tho
Apart from details epeen, it's boring.
you can still shut down a windfury totem relatively quick
Racials don’t matter when it’s about globaling kids Late
So is the boss tanking in orgozoa
the problem is when you get triple hits on you before you land a hit on the windfury totem
The only reason kids got globaled was because it was during a stun 8)
yesterday this 10 lvl higher rogue tried to gank me
Which is what I thought we were talking about
i went really loud in discord "GONNA SHOW THIS ROGUE HOW WE DID IN VANILLA"
popped retal
rogue dead
cant wait until these fuckers pop evasion
overpower overpower overpower
Oh retal. Does it have a shitty animation and not work in stun in classic?
pretty sure you could hitbox stun it
rogues were like WTFHAPPENED
Riki you wont kill anyone in one global anymore if they are actually paying any attention at all maybe like a really squishy clothie who panics
like you could with evasion
again, no smart rogue is actually ever fighting you
correct
but that's the classic fault of that matchup
between retal, op, and disarm
it's so much easier to kite a warrior and bleed em out
rogues are pretty much fucked unless they are godlike
dead zone dance until restealth and pray that rend times out
yup
Late, when you get gear it’s entirely different. There’s not much a clothie can do if I charge in, ms crit, auto swing and sword spec. Sorry - unless you’re just as geared you’re going to die
Conversely, I was one shot in Naxx tanking gear while seduced and unable to do anything by a shadow bolt
Like, right now sure; but when people start getting geared it doesn’t matter - one shotting will return
one shotting will happen with gear disparity for sure
yeah if you werent a tank, you prob didn't have above 5k hp which is what you'd get hit for in one blast via a dual trinket pyro out of a polymorph
that's 100% guaranteed
Even without gear disparity
I was in Naxx tanking gear and got one shot while running flags
bro
im gonna get the skull thingie that breaks polys really fast
i forget the name of it
put a dot on you or some shit
against certain geared mages, poly was a death sentence
Great, and what about the other times when you can’t use it cause it has a Cd iirc
but since you can swap weapons in combat, it was np
You mean max lvl mages who are specced to fire for pvp and they insta cast em pyros 8)
pom pyr0
im pretty sure i still have the timer down
My point is - one shotting will happen. To say it wont is silly. It doesnt require gear disparity either
Did you miss the point where I literally said “I was one shot (globalled) in Naxx tanking gear by a warlock / mage / shaman”
where a 2k crit is a oneshot :)
I had 6.5k hp
then youre A: either remembering wrong
B: that wasnt a oneshot
but thats 3v1
It was globalled
No nim. Three separate occasions
Those three classes where able to do it
Warlock seduced me into trinket shadow bolt / death coil
Right before tbc pre patch
are you sure? lmao
Mage was sheep while I couldn’t break it into pyro and something else
Yes
I guess it’s better to say globalled. Sorry. Long cast + instant usually was what did it
idk man
It’s rare - but it’s possible. And if you’re too geared chances are the people you’re playing against won’t be anyway.
i can't think of any 1 shots happening on equal gear
or i can't remember
i can certainly remember when people outgeared the fuck outta me
I mean I know when I out geared them and when I was on equal footing.
A tier difference made a huge impact and one sided fight
a tier difference did yeah
I think the warlock one was after prepatch. The others I know weren’t
it was a marked difference but it wasn't HUGE
2 tier differences were huge
like FM gear vs tier 2/3 was rough
4/9 dreadnaught pieces and got one shot by a fire mage in Naxx.
Sorry, globalled.
Believe me or not - it doesn’t matter. Pvp wasn’t balanced and it could happen. Especially in BGs
to be fair dreadnaught did nothing against spell damage
If im trialling against another tank and we both perform tactics correctly, how much would DPS parses matter?
It had more stamina and that’s all you could do if you didn’t know who you where facing next
Do people take that into account for tanks
Depends on the guild Chad.
If the officers only take into account parses they are morons
if they are smart they will also look at damage taken
I’d look at dps numbers, ehrps, mechanical failures, attitude, positioning, attendance, and a lot more
damage taken first, ability usage, then parses
In no particular order
I mean - if they go with that as the reasoning then you don’t want to be there
Like if that’s the deciding factor
If she’s better than you in other ways then sucks to suck
just look at it on a skill level
if you think you both performed well
you really can't do much about it, you both are good players
Do you both know your off specs? What class does she play?
Im saying they seem to be performing worse in most metrics
are they?
you said she was performing tactics correctly, so which is it
Lead is pala
shrug
being denied of a guild isn't the be all end all
but honestly we really can't tell if we don't have logs
but even then we aren't the ones that are gonna accept or deny you
i suppose the only thing we could say in that regard is that you (a) didn't do as well as you thought you did, or (b) that you dodged a bullet of a guild
or (c) that both of you are good so it was a toss up
Nothing has been decided yet just trying to judge how we're doing
again we can give you OUR opinion if you link logs
otherwise, idk what else we can tell you
No public logs
I can't think of a reason to not personally log
If he gets denied he can post them just out of spite and we can evaluate them
More for the 2nd reason and not the 1st :p
My guilds tank slots arent skill based
Rip
Its how bad they are dpsing
Im not bad as fury
1 of the tanks the brm as ww he cant do over 20k

But WW is a hard spec 😏
Sleeper spec
Ww is not even bad
Legit though, I have heard that about WW so much and I'm like wtf is hard about it. Especially since Serenity isn't the go-to build anymore.
Hes bad at dpsing
Which benetic gear r we looking for protection
And Serenity wasn't even hard; just left little room for error
its mostly not getting owned via their mastery
Yep basically
You mean the dont press 2 of the same buttons?
Exactly XD
Doable as fury
It's major if you are bad at it
but it really adds up when your mastery is a flat scalar
I mained WW from MoP through Legion and that was probably the #1 thing you saw in the current mastery iteration: people double casting Blackout Kick or Tiger Palm
plus it prob compounds if they take that talent which boosts damage even more
That would be a issue
Hit combo?
Yeah, it's less punishing than it was before but it still hurts to reset Hit Combo
yeah since you gotta ramp it if you mess up
It was a much bigger buff earlier in Legion
so factor in the chaos of an actual raid fight and it can be punishing
In prot war discord we go offtopic all the time
As soon as azhara dies my brm goes to ww
Which benetic gear r we looking for protection 😦
benthics 🤢
@winter skiff if you want to maximize dps the same as every other dps player
You dont specifically go for those tho you go for ilvl
does plate get the fucking crit damage one?
More deeps
Everyone gets those
Which perk on them should we be aiming for
Bleh
The effects are the same
Arent some different
I don't think anything changes across the specs so the ones that are the best for other specs are the best for us
Some offer swim speed etc
Those are useless
Yeah
Would belt fix aggro issue of being shit help
i thought there was variance upon armor type personally

There are a couple slots that have marginally different ones but I don't think any of them are a massive difference
Like one is slightly less damage than the other
Madjay, that belt wont fix your “is shit” affix 😁
Fuck
Is it requires for mythic raiding
Im sad
Required*
Nah
got plenty of mythic raiders in here with out em
No, it’s not required in general for mythic raiding. Though, your mileage may vary depending on your guilds attitude
I don’t have them and I do well enough
you are mileage
🍿
NO YOU AHHH
Im not using benthic on my warrior but on my monk i have them
Dont need it on the warrior
You don’t need a lot of shit.
I got full benthic but the belt i dont use it
a shield and a can-do attitude
I don't think anyone is using benthic because they need it; they're using it because they are competing (or want to pretend they're competing) for parses
Shield breaks mid pull
I’m going to start using them. Have to upgrade several pieces
Feels bad though replacing 445-455 some of which have sockets
Fuckkkk
or if the “need” is “needing” to squeak out more damage cuz of a dps check ya’ll cant quite hit
All in the name of dps / parsing
I miss my indestructible shield
You should sim which benthic pieces would be upgrade over your 445+ socketed pieces riki
And by how much
Yeah, I had the pearls laying around so I randomed and got 3.. need to figure out what to prioritize
I know all of them gave a net gain. I just don’t remember how much each individual piece gave
You're a DPS increase
Time to steal the rdruids premium sim account
Either way benthic does absolutely fucking nothing in keys so you're not gonna replace anything
Ily too
Oof
❤ you tofu
What spot is that
But if I raid
Do m+
You can find a group I believe in you
The best things in life are worth working towards
Just log in to afk in great seal
Yea, but wow end game
Is basically sit in queue for half an hour
Because half the fuckers in keys already or you hate the person queuing up
And then tilting in raid for 3 hours a night
Sounds like you need a new game
anyone have any general recs for when to make your edicts magic dmg?
for m+
do u ever keep it all magic dmg for certain instances?
certainly would for the last two bosses in ML, for instance
definitely for Shadow of Zul
I wouldnt switch edicts just for shadow of zul
Its essentially throwing away entire dungeons worth of physical damage absorb for 40s cd of magical damage on a mob that either has to die fast or you kite it
cant you just switch it back...
u lose the fantacism
in 40 sec
I remember, you member?
If you switch it, the fanatism resets
sure but at that point its tiddly winks
its either fort where that asshole is the real kicker
or its tyrn against blockable blade combno
Just take it to the face like a man
buyt the fully stacked does nothing...?
Btw
Just run magical for entire dungeon
shadow of zul doesnt do any physs
and we're a warrior.
After you are done with zul theres still a boss left
You’re a bear blade
You get what im trying to say?
😑
and youre stacking mid fight anyway
👀
😦
Bear is not great but not bad
hi
i had my first day of class today
and guess what everyone talked about
WoW classic
👀
Had anyone else noticed how the edict buff seems to be a bit, buggy?
Sometimes when I scroll over it’s showing a 10% mark and lower absorb than base absorb on the trinket
i noticed that with turning warmode on and off only in world content tho
Oh, yeah they nerfed it for PvP I believe, significantly
Mostly dps using it as well as tanks
i see that a lot when rezzing in EP
In pvp
it will show 10% fanaticism but lower than normal 0% fanat shield
but it resets on boss pull anyway so kinda disregarded
Hi
hi
hi
hi
on azshara p4, does the beams always spawn/move the same way?
The beam behavior is predictable if that’s what you are asking
Once it spawns it’ll go the same way
afaik
how do you tell which way it goes when it spawns
I believe it never goes towards the console
How many ilvls are the Mechagon bracers worth dropping for? Any opinions on that?
they have to be TF like shit to become remotely relevant so i havent put much thought into it
Question on haste and when enough if enough, with a 5 stack of into the fray, before my overclock proc, I have 38% haste. Would you guys pick up cyclotronic for the extra damage or just keep the overclock card?
no real reachable too much
Y E E T
I know someone who says that court and ashvane trinkets are bad, are they really bad?
I assume you're talking about Urchin not Razor Coral?
I wouldn't call Urchin/edict bad tbh.
They have a higher base ilvl due to dropping from raids and the effects are decent - as always with most gear, it depends on what you're comparing them to.
Hey, I have a question. I’m currently running urchin and computation device with subroutine overclock(1200) and vers, haste logic board. Now would it make sense for me to switch the overclock for a gleaming eye or perhaps even for my socketed 440 red button? I read the overclock bests most trinkets even at 445.
Hey all, a Alch Stone (440+socket) or 430 Rezan Eye ?
Probably go rezan
depends on your other option
maybe it's worse than those two and you just go rezan and stone
Theres always that possibility too
I have 440 Edict from Court
i mean
depends on what you want to do
for damage obv rezan and stone
if you wanna turtle edict+stone would be a better choice tbh
more beefy pots
plus higher ilvl and socket
Isn't Rezan haste proc is also good defense option?
^
even though haste is one of the better procs, its still unreliable
stone is always there
and the str proc is giga on aoe
why are we enchanting force multiplier now instead of quick?
more stats
and better dps
you can enchant quick
nothing wrong with that
force is similar in defensive value and way better offensively
is it really more stats
force is 264 +170
quick nav is hard to tell an average on, but 600 hate with main proc
it's not that hard, hold up
i mean, it's also where quick will always be haste proc but force won't
force always procs haste i believe as it is your highest stat
if haste is your highest stat
force > quick
even defensively
if its not, then quick is 'better'
how does recalibration punchcard compare to overlock?
for dps recalibration is better
Any thoughts on the merits of overclock 1200 vs rezan or other higher ilvl trinks?
the thing about overclock and rezan's is that one has str and the other has secondaries
if you get a titanforged yellow one then sure
honestly i wouldn't use the pocket sized with anything other than cyclotronic
Really? I might see about getting rezan then. On icy veins they made overclock out to be insane, that’s why I’m confused.
Thanks for your help
Why you guys up so early

Y’all are 1 hour in the future 😦
btw
we did it lads
I went prot for 1 kill
I'm done with prot loot this tier
all I need is krakenshell shoulders
and I am complete
Niiiiice.
Its 7am
That sounds terrible 😛
It is
School at 830
imagine not having a socket
Only 445
imagine not having a socket
stat proc items scale like 5 times less with sockets than damage procs items
so sockets are super valuable on them
like 20 ilvls or something dumb
Dirty bastards
😂
So we hate them all
Together?
But seriously, i dont really have good trinkets for prot. So i just showed off a bit here 😭
no I just hate you
No you dont
Leech

LMAO
Leech cap 🤔
anyone got that spreadsheet that shows what can be reflected in each M+ dungeon?
#268491842637660160 protection section.
tyty
I take it font would be bad for m+ use?
Depends
The more people that use font in your group the better
If all 4 are using it
It's bis
the time to stand and channel is worth it?
So just pull around it like you would other cd's
Yeah
if you have font with everyone in the group you channel it in unison
And if you run with fire mage
otherwise dont use it
You have to pull around combust anyway
Yeah i get how in a 5 man with all 5 it would be very strong
ty ty
Delete this
😂

@oblique garnet I want a demo shout weak aura because I lost mine and the one I found was not working as I want
it doesn't extend when I clap
inb4 doesnt have any dcs
like i said, i just track debuff on target
Cant you just upload it to like gfycat or smth?
That's weird lol
Is it some random WA you picked up somewhere that's just counting out 8 seconds from when you cast it or some shit?
probably
most of my weak auras are made by willow
and it used to work
properly
and then it stopped working
Odd
🤷 Dunno i dont have any specific demoshout wa's it just shows the debuff on top of the nameplates
sure
other than one tracking its cd
https://pastebin.com/xbtXW6Zh @sick sentinel see if mine works
its giga tiny compared to yours though
ofc it is
how is it ugly
its literally just demo shout
but zoomed by 35% so you dont have the retarded blizz borders
if you want shitty 10p borders just set zoom to 0%
ah you want the glow
I started copying settings
and changed the multi target
to target
and it is fine now
i guess

you could prolly create a weakaura that tracks how many targets have demo shout and then display that "stack" number
but thats too advanced
and beyond unnecessary
if you do a 10 mob pull, and only 8 have the debuff the WA wont tell you which ones dont have the debuff
"Is my shit up" (uptime of the buff)
"Can I cast it" (if I see it up there, either saturated because it's up or unsaturated because it's on cd then no)
thats just a general WA
Exactly
i was specifically talking bout the stack thingy
??? wait what are you trying to achieve kage
I just wanna see if my shit is up
Dont your nameplates show the duration of debuff on it?
Yes but
Dont you have an individual tracker for demoshout?
I like seeing the part on top of my unit frame
?
Example: I see a crush from tyrranical groot coming
Do I ask for bark or not?
If I have sb and demo up I won't
If I have only sb up and not demo shout no
Stuff like that
I want all the info in a single glance
kaege is slowly developing an actual ui
and not the abomination that is asmongold ui
My ui is amazing
Picture.
your ui is literally asmongold
wants all info at a single glance
has the grossest UI ever
Show me your UI. 😮
It'll hurt your eyes
You're disgusting
Do it do it do it
literally Quin / Asmongold level of ui
You mean like this?
Show meeeeeeeeeeeee
Trust me you dont want to see kages ui
thats the vibe i get off of it
but seriously tho @sick sentinel Like in that pic or what do you mean
Like he just installed 30 addons and left all of them in their default location
😂
its just his HUGE hp bar in the middl
ya kind of
@ionic fern logging back in for you
Awwwwwwww
I can't say my UI is good but I am confident that it's better than Kaege's.
I'm intrigued to see this
I need to get rid of the personal resource display and get a weakaura
sco's ui is saved by being basic elvui
🤔
🤔
not as bad as i remember it
WOTLK wants its UI back 😂
Yeah I think it has improved since last time
das a big ass bag in the corner
I wanna see how much bagslots I have left man
press B
That's like 15 more than I normally have available
i need like 40 to not feel crammed
Why do you have 3 different SB trackers tho? o.o
one is block tracker
Because he wants all the information in one glance 😏
that tracks both SB and LS
like this bag is already too crammed for my taste
300k. rich boy.
When he’s angry he cba to look in a specific place so he needs it everywhere
😂
I didn't visit the scrapper or the mailbox
Kaege's bags are what mine looked like before AdiBags
@strong forum This is how its supposed to be
385 cloak.
^
400 pvp trinket
So the question here is
Is Late just embarrassed at how broke he is, or is he just not flexing his gold?
no bob's bargain
scrap yo shit
415 azerites
breh
I have bunch of useless shit and also @warm plinth im broke
speed sets :aah:
How do you guys function with less than 40 or slow bag sets
Me too Late. Me too.
only have 400k 😦
I mean
I got 50k
I'm broker than that
How are you guys so broke? Jesus Christ
and this is broke for me
O.o
I leveled herb/alc to make money. Then realized that farming anchor weed is legit ass
Made about 4M in carries in legion. Bought a bunch of tokens
so I have a lot in my blizzard balance
Nome, on a scale of 1 to Nimchip, how toxic would you say you are in PUGs?
i dont pug
Can’t fault him for that
Nope.
lol
@strong forum everying in that bug is completely needed and nessasary
Lol
I still need some blueprints
Reagent bank
It actually took me like...a long time to discover the deposit all reagents button
I also forgot the reagent bank even existed for a long time (I rediscovered it when I found the deposit all button) lol
I know late
but every time I go there
I loot like one of those shits
so might as well have them stay there
So who are the tankiest dps that can soak bubbles on Ashvane
DH for sure
oh yeah why is that? do they have a lot of healing
No no im talking about dps
just like, nuke them
warlocks dhs fury warriors are the best dps
They heal alot yes
Are boomys tanky at all?
my reagent bank is looking the same
absolutely filled to the brim
constantly have to delete / sell stupid shit
empty
I wish
My reagent bank is fucked too. Maybe 5-8 slots open
So after simming for the most damage possible on a Patchwerk fight, the best gear is a huge clustered mess. >.< feels bad.
Define huge clustered mess
I'm not sure what that means tbh lol
No dc
That final gear array is after several sims.
oh yeah because devastator
I have a piece I can swap in for DC but it was a 900 pint dps loss
Monka
It's a dps loss because dc does nothing for dps if you're not using booming voice
Yeah, DC loses like 90% of its value without BV
You lose 90% of your value
💔
Lol
For pure parsing, (we are reclearing tonight so I just wanna push my dmg and see what i can do) devastator is better over BV correct?
Yep, I was about to gear compare next, I have 500 mana pearls to spend on the benthic lottery
It’s a crutch (I say as I’m now simming the benthic pieces over my current gear)

