I still don't have key master cuz I haven't done more than 1 key a week for like 4 weeks
#protection
strong forum
hasty nova
nice riki
exotic spoke
I despise TD now
strong forum
Missing UR
hasty nova
yeah i hate td
strong forum
300k hp is yikes
exotic spoke
I wanted to do siege 17 that we had but everyone else was like nah
strong forum
I did 28.6k in TD 16 today though
So that was decent
Without cannons obv
Fuck cannons
hasty nova
i can only get it at 28k
oblique garnet
Thats decent for td
sick sentinel
Cannons go well with a co-ordinated group
sick sentinel
You can do double packs still
strong forum
In the caster room
exotic spoke
It’s now like 32000 single target
sick sentinel
I did whole bridge/cannon area in 2,5mins
strong forum
I'm at like 31k
oblique garnet
I think youre simming more than me for st xd
sick sentinel
With bolst
sick sentinel
I will bonus roll first boss tomorrow
And kill it with prot lootspec for the firsy time
oblique garnet
You guys have benthic right?
sick sentinel
would you suggest unstable flames or heed my call?
strong forum
I don't
oblique garnet
Uf
exotic spoke
Late do you take full defensive traits?
oblique garnet
?
strong forum
I have like 31k sim without 3rd essence and benthic
exotic spoke
No, I don’t have any dps benthic pieces
sick sentinel
i know crit increases your parry, but is it worthwile since it's only like a 50 dps loss?
oblique garnet
What full defensive traits
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel uf
hasty nova
yeah i didn't do benthic either
sick sentinel
i've noticed it falls off too randomly
hasty nova
fuck that noise
hasty nova
but i did hit 65 neck today
exotic spoke
Sorry, I should ask what traits are you taking. Using text to speech
hasty nova
feels good
strong forum
gonna hit 63 tomorrow
onyx vessel
Im about to hit 64
sick sentinel
Meanwhile
hasty nova
i only timed a 20 last season
sick sentinel
I'm 66
onyx vessel
Nerd
hasty nova
i should have pushed harder
onyx vessel
Lates prob 70
oblique garnet
I have 3x BoM 1 MS and 2 DC atm but the extra dc is because i havent gone to reforge it to something else yet xd
sick sentinel
I have 3 bom 1ms 1cr 1dc
onyx vessel
Yikes
sick sentinel
Late man
strong forum
ah yeh, 1 bom gave me like 4k dps in m+, so if i get 2 more i should be at 35k overall
thats how math works right
sick sentinel
You know how 1 neck level gives you +2 to all stats
onyx vessel
3 bom tho 
sick sentinel
Well, +2 to haste crit and mastery
sick sentinel
65->66 gives you 3
oblique garnet
Oh
strong forum
INSANE
sick sentinel
Busted
exotic spoke
Fair late. I have 2 BoM, 1 dc, I think 1 If and 2 BfI
onyx vessel
Pog
sick sentinel
Game breaking
strong forum
🚓
sick sentinel
THREE
exotic spoke
Single target sim
strong forum
im simming rn
exotic spoke
Zero benthics
onyx vessel
65 gives you a big boost
oblique garnet
I cba logging in to sim
sick sentinel
Same
onyx vessel
Same
strong forum
look at all these t3 chads
exotic spoke
That was from last Tuesday after getting 65 and figuring out best options
oblique garnet
Was with 3x BoM 2x MS 1 DC
exotic spoke
I want my third BoM now 😦
strong forum
3rd essence is huge dmg for sims eh?
oblique garnet
Id have to run multiple sims to see which actually sims higher, stacking rf and bfi etc or 3x BoM 2ms 1 dc
oblique garnet
Not bad
exotic spoke
Not at all. Is that saying use CoF and null as your minor?
oblique garnet
Ofc
exotic spoke
touche. i deserve that
sick sentinel
If i had null id be 32k/33k here in 2 weeks rip
west galleon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bqFLnoZZRxeYSa35edxSvD not a sim pad at all
:^)
FUCK it's 2 min oops
strong forum
yikes those weapons
wet oak
warm plinth
The same talents as everything else
novel temple
I can’t believe null is simming that high
exotic spoke
why canty ou rollyson?
novel temple
i just dont think theres much magic damage on most bosses
wait
im retarded
like 8/8 bosses have magic damage
thats conistant while tanking
also, have you all tried solo tanking the first boss in palace?
sick sentinel
can't remember, is azertite veins good for prot?
or would you go overwhelmiung power lol
warm plinth
Overwhelming Power is pretty strong, and Azerite Veins...isn't.
elfin nexus
anyone run anima in m+? some KR high IO prot warriors run it. kinda wanna try it
warm plinth
Would depend on the dungeon probably since you want to get good use out of the damage but it's not a bad essence (as a major)
elfin nexus
yea i was thinking anima major/vision minor
im gonna try it. bored of vision/lucid lol
waxen cradle
Need a opinion guys I got a 440 Shield from AD this week from my cache, and I have a 445 from Radiance, how much value does the 5 item level hold over the better stat itemization ?
warm plinth
Easy choice for shields; highest ilevel wins. Can't get block from any other piece of gear.
waxen cradle
cool
maiden lake
Can someone correct me on this if im wrong? Based on an m+ perspective for 18+ keys.. if i want more survivability i use highest ilvl gear right? And if i want more dps i use maybe lower ilvl with sockets? Comparing my 445 no sockets to 430 sockets..
warm plinth
Are they rings or? Hard to justify a 15 ilevel loss on anything with strength on it, especially since it's unlikely the socket provides more stats than you're losing.
maiden lake
I have 430 sockets on every gear slot vs 445 and 450gear on others to minmax survivability and dps
Also gear stats are quite optimised
warm plinth
For survival, you're correct though. Higher ilevel will give you the most survivability barring potentially rings (in which case if the socket gives you more total stats, it'd be better for survival than a higher ilevel).
For DPS, your best bet is to sim it, but it's unlikely a socket is worth losing 15 ilevels worth of strength and secondaries even for DPS.
maiden lake
And i also have a "softcap" of 20 to 21% haste on all combinations
Fair call thanks for comfirming
cerulean vortex
quick question does prot stay "slow" or does it speed up noticeably with haste
fresh 120
left hatch
cerulean vortex
thank you
distant crystal
i think fury is higher apm :p
plush sonnet
Question for my fellow Prots out there... Which would you wear? 440 Crit=Vers+Socket belt or 450 Haste>Mastery+Leech belt
distant crystal
😤
blazing saffron
Why do we use the fury trait that reduces CD on reck?
undone sun
auto attack damage
blazing saffron
So it's not bugged and reducing avatar cd
undone sun
nope
undone sun
it's good for damage purposes on primarily single target fights
undone sun
it is a main factor, you'd generally run them together but they aren't mutually exclusive
IE; RF doesn't increase deva damage. just focused the damage more on auto attacks
blazing saffron
Alrighty, thanks do much for info super chieftain
novel temple
Would you run gale force with the zaqul weapon if you’re running the devastate build?
ionic fern
Sim it. 
novel temple
I don’t have it 🤷🏻♂️
sullen valve
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
ionic fern
sullen valve
Y E E T
ionic fern
Well, if you're just looking for a yes or no answer then No, i would not run gale force even with that weapon.
You'd still get more value out of Quick Nav.
sick sentinel
@outer dew especially when incarn procs
Then you press ONLY thrash
Also
m u l t I p l y your force my man
Do we have a pawn string for high item level prot?
brittle owl
don't use pawn
ionic fern
Don't use pawn.
For DPS purposes just sim yourself and every possible gear upgrade you get.
brittle owl
ilvl>haste for survivability
sick sentinel
Alright so what % haste & vers should I aim for?
sick sentinel
Alright. So just pick the gear with highest haste and/or ilvl
brittle owl
highest ilvl and/or haste*
sick sentinel
Yeah. Thank you 🙂
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel delete pawn
valid knot
5 ilvls or a socket? On boots, survival wise
sick sentinel
socket
modest wedge
"And I don’t want to try and sim with gear I don’t have" wutFace
Of course you'd want to. Then you know if u want to roll for it
tawny maple
@exotic spoke is that from the baby adds before last boss?
crystal dirge
would you use Sphere of Supression in 3rd minor, if I'm running REALLY low on haste? 995 base atm with enchants gems etc
talking m+ content
brittle owl
it's a good minor
strong forum
sphere is one of the better minors
brittle owl
doesnt matter what haste you have
crystal dirge
big thanks
shadow tapir
Prot logs go over to log review? (seemed like mostly dps in there) downed Azshara last night and looking for improvement.
Also, I know icy veins has the survival trinket list fleshed out. Is there a definitive offensive trinket list? It looks to me like a lot of cyclontronic blast, razor coral, dribbling inkpod. Just looking for what to aim at.
brittle owl
bloodmallet.com is your friend
it just doesn't have cyclo blast, but you don't need it for that to know it's p much bis for damage 99% of the time in raids
shadow tapir
ty
modern brook
If ur looking at something froma sheer damage perspective; sims are very accurate
shadow tapir
ty Bullfango, sims always have razor coral and brincy barnacle edging out any other option me so I was a bit curious. I don't see alot of briny barnacle out there.
brittle owl
briny is ok on ST after the buff
it's situationally good on AoE, as in, if the dot ticks it's full duration and explodes its very good
shadow tapir
ok, that's good to know. Gonna be re-clearing on Thursday and I wanted to push my damage numbers and see how high I can parse. 😄
brittle owl
if the mob dies before the tick blows up, it's more or less worthless
shadow tapir
A follow-up question for you on the subjec of cyclontronic blast...
I currently have subroutine: overclock slotted in because of focus on survivability I was using before. I'm up in the air, is it worth it to just destroy that to slot in Cyclotronic?
I know one is defensive minded and the other is pure dps output... I do have 435 Edict to fall back on as big defensive trinket if necessary.
(I don't get why they are "punchcards" if they can't be removed without destroying them. lol)
brittle owl
clearly you haven't been to eastern europe
you should always use cyclo blast with pocket sized
sand egret
lol
brittle owl
there are way better defensive options than the overclock
which isn't saying much mind you
sand egret
but yeah there are far better trinkets in that slot for the defenses. That laser beam of death is hard to replicate
brittle owl
since most "tanking" trinkets are shite
brittle owl
your lil ball of overhealing
sand egret
by 10k?
shadow tapir
ok, thank you. haha
brittle owl
and knows how to dps when the thing ticks
sand egret
i mean if my healer is overhealing due to a 10k HoT every 3 seconds...I feel like it's not the trinket's fault lol
brittle owl
it's no ones fault
sand egret
certainly not a reason to knock it's defensive value, imho
brittle owl
i mean
i also don't buy gauging stuff by overall hps, since it's an irelevant metric
in any type of content
brittle owl
that's a claim you can very easily test though
sand egret
but ignore the metrics?
brittle owl
yes, because it's irelevant. i'll give you an example: on any given week i have higher hps in low key pugs than i do in higher ones with competent people, dramatically so
as holy btw
i also have higher hps healing monks than i do, say , a warrior
but it doesn't mean that ones easier or harder to heal
brittle owl
holy paladin*
sand egret
same question
brittle owl
no, they're not smart heals
only monks and holy priests have smart heals
and to some extent you can argue shamans
but that's a stretch
point of the matter is : if ya ain't dead, going more into defense makes no sense unless it can make your healer dps more (in a m+ setting) or allow you to pull bigger
a trickle heal won't really make you achieve those things
sand egret
i still don't see the point in your argument. I guess if you look at HPS in isolation, sure. But urchin doesn't overheal. You as a paladin, will. Monks obviously "take" more damage in a sense but that changes how heals are attributed. The "harder" to heal part isn't really a factor in this, tbh. The point is that urchin is solid at what it does and if it's causing your healer to overheal...you should get a new one
brittle owl
👀 what i'm trying to say is the healing is already there, you're adding to something already pre existing
all the while not achieving much
sand egret
then pull bigger?
brittle owl
you're already being focused by the healer in big pulls
sand egret
if the heal on urchin is redundant than you're missing the point of using it immho
eternal plover
In higher keys urchin + edict is a gamechanger tbh .. the healing combined from those two is just insane
brittle owl
not talking about 22+
sand egret
but either way, the origin of this is to refute the statement that the "tanking" trinkets are shiite
urchin is not
nor is edict. Whether you choose to use them, is a different story
eternal plover
My druid swiping is way Better dmg, than me having a dps trinket tbh.. so it would take urchin + edict any day
sand egret
like Bwom's trinket vs Urchin is definitely shiite vs not
eternal plover
the cheat death one?
sand egret
ya
warm plinth
Yes, it can.
shadow tapir
ty
warm plinth
It's technically magic damage iirc, so you can do like Wall or SR. Demo won't work on it though since it's environmental damage (e.g. has no source for you to reduce its damage)
frigid heart
so what's this new meta with heavy repercussions
exotic spoke
What meta are you talking about Logan?
frigid heart
Was looking thru some parses and saw a ton of HR but looks like its just on early bosses so nvm
exotic spoke
I haven’t seen anything about it
Honestly maybe they are going for parsing but that doesn’t make sense to me as I think the standard build (only swapping devastator for BV) parses better
Perhaps they don’t know any better?
frigid heart
glick/boost prob know what theyre doing 🤷
exotic spoke
Perhaps but it’s very curious as, at least for me, sims point to not using HR. Maybe they have another reason
And you didn’t say who it was
exotic spoke
That would be why, I haven’t simmed shorter durations
lethal plaza
I sim higher with HR. I have 2 BfI
timid vessel
How big is leech for us in mid-high tier m+?
ionic fern
B a d
exotic spoke
Not important. Don’t sacrifice Ilvl for it.
exotic spoke
If you get it on your best piece then it’s a bonus. But it is not something which should be sought after
modern brook
u did it riki!
exotic spoke
You’re welcome mwahi. I’m bored at work so I like helping when I can
Hooray me
Also, this week feels decent for pushing
exotic spoke
Rofl
ionic fern
What's the affixes?
modern brook
this week its fort burst volcano
exotic spoke
Fortified Bursting volcanic enchanted
modern brook
I think its enchanted week
exotic spoke
Chain pull like a mother fucker
analog swift
fucking beautiful week
warm plinth
Should be a great week
warm plinth
💔
analog swift
dude samehere
modern brook
I've been pugging but coming off organized groups its just the worst
exotic spoke
It’s like pulling teeth for some people to play. Honestly frustrating. But hey - we need some solid dps (pref range)
modern brook
i play rogue + warrior on Horde riki :^(
im litterally missing every box ur presenting
exotic spoke
Upside - you get to play with the two highest io tanks on the server + top 7 people overall.
Downside - it’s a shit server
But seriously - it’s a shit server
Do you probably don’t want to come 😦
analog swift
yeah we got wrecked to classic, left the guild i've been leading since antorus
then joined a US top 100, was set to trial yesterday....and they disbanded too
bull come to a-52 and trade my brewmaster gear plx
exotic spoke
Area 52... ugh. Our server rejects back in bc or some shit went there
I kid theseus... kinda
exotic spoke
Can we merged dead servers. Please blizzard
You’re giving free transfers to classic. Can we merge some dead servers to keep raiding guilds going
modern brook
classic transfers make sense tbh
warm plinth
I still think the free transfers on classic is funny since they announced them before people could even level lol...like you had every opportunity to just make a toon on a different server.
modern brook
Although everytime someone complains about queue times i feel like its that comic about the guy putting the stick between the wheels of his bike
warm plinth
I mean if they'd announced them now after people had been leveling for a week, that would make sense. But they announced them before it was even live
When no one had leveled at all
modern brook
yeah thats weird but
exotic spoke
But... their.... names
warm plinth
Transferring doesn't guarantee your name though
You just get flagged for a rename if someone already is it on your destination server
already has it*
exotic spoke
Yeah I know it’s why some people probably won’t transfer and just deal with the queue
warm plinth
Yeah for sure
Or because they would have to convince all their friends to also change servers
modern brook
tbh u can just deal with the queue and get reddit karma so its really a win win
warm plinth
What is reddit karma
warm plinth
I have like 3 posts on reddit, and 2 were deleted XD I don't understand the world's fascination with it.
limpid pawn
440 wrist with socket, or 445?
warm plinth
440 with socket most likely
modern brook
id take the socket tbh
stoic pilot
i was trying to google it but i think im just missing the actual keyword to get that info lol
modern brook
as per wowpedia so u know, grain of salt
brittle owl
hear me out
stoic pilot
yeah bull you're correct, it's 85 since I just decided to strip char and put on a belt that had 84 and i got 0.99%
warm plinth
85 for damage/healing I believe, it'd be 170 for DR
brittle owl
they usually keep values up to date as well
warm plinth
Even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while 😏
modern brook
i feel like im being insulted
warm plinth
That was like a weak attaboy for AMR
exotic spoke
It was a backhanded complement
warm plinth
That's a better phrase ^
exotic spoke
AMR is usually shit... but it’s good for this thing
brittle owl
it was the 'i still love you' after you beat your so
stoic pilot
lmao
brittle owl
what
exotic spoke
I feel like I learned something about maelkenar I never wanted to know
brittle owl
also about ghash
warm plinth
That he's a wife beater
warm plinth
Shit
warm plinth
Yeah
brittle owl
hmmmm
exotic spoke
Be a shame if something were to happen....
warm plinth
lul
exotic spoke
Don’t know why they trust him and not me
warm plinth
That's a great question
exotic spoke
Ignore the fact that I’m an asshole and he’s been there longer
warm plinth
Especially since I'm actually worse than you somehow
peak lily
would you guys take 2x bastion or 2x iron? for mythic+
exotic spoke
More bastion is more better
Ideally, a good starting point, is 3 BoM 1 DC and you pick two
warm plinth
Maybe I'm not worse than you.
more better
peak lily
ah
warm plinth
jkjk
exotic spoke
I said it in a John madden voice in my head
peak lily
so the mastery is that good?
exotic spoke
I’ll try to try
brittle owl
you should so that you should
warm plinth
I think I'm having a stroke
exotic spoke
I can’t promise to try. But I’ll try to try
warm plinth
Do or do not. There is no try.
exotic spoke
Nah. That’s like work and shit
hasty nova
So,.... I'm tanking the adds for orgozoa. I want to maximize my dmg on these guys, and adds downstairs. It looks like i'm having no trouble being healed. What essences does everyone think would work best for this. Right now (booming voice crackling thunder obvis) i'm running VoP major, null minor, ageis minor
I want to try some variations on the sims. but i'm having trouble figuring out how to properly code it
Right now, my best guess is to do fight style beastlord, number of bosses 1
fight length 5min
exotic spoke
Defensive standard set up would be VoP, lucid, and do they do magic damage? Not there yet.
hasty nova
Yeah but because i'm specrfically on adds and never on boss, i'm trying to go pure multitarget offensive.
which i "think" is probably best
warm plinth
I don't even know what a beastlord sim is 😂
exotic spoke
Nullification minor if they do magic damage consistently
extra 2k dps - though it’s split
dusky mica
they dont
hasty nova
it's almost always 3 adds up on me
so i'm not sure if ageis is best minor or not
i'm almost certain i want to maximize avatar for claps tho
so i'm almost certain vop major
but really the only way to do it is sims
that boss puts out some freaking raid dmg tho guys. we ONE SHOT mythic ashvane
exotic spoke
What rank sphere and CnS?
exotic spoke
I recall hearing that CnS rank 3 > aegis if targets are under 5. For vers gains
hasty nova
ahhhh
shit man that one is so hard to get if u don't pvp at high rating
lol 😦
i'll probably just stick to aegis for now i think. idk if sphere haste would be worth it
exotic spoke
Honestly you’ll have to sim yourself. I don’t know much about the mythic fight. Ashvane at 12% last night with less than ideal raid + early deaths
hasty nova
man ashvane is such a pain.
then u go to ogozoa which is a totally differnt raid comp needed
instead of 3 tank 3 healers we run 3 tanks 5 healers
lol
unlike the first 3 bosses where we run 2 tanks 4 healers
this raid, EP, is especially punishing on guilds who do not have people who can swap specs or players who can rotate in and out
exotic spoke
Bench strength / depth - whatever you want to call it - is very important
sick sentinel
new raid is unforgivable for below-average guilds tbh
oblique garnet
overall flexibility of players is important also
exotic spoke
Yes late. I kind of include that in bench strength. Just the overall strength and versatility of every player in any non standard role + the people currently on the bench
modern brook
my bench is like 90 :/ i have dinky arms
sand egret
we talking standard bench?
modern brook
yee
sand egret
mine's pretty new, got a wooden one during a yard sale
modern brook
nice
weary thorn
Dinky arms, more aerodynamic and able to flick for better 360 no scopes
warm plinth
I can bench two oatmeal creme pies @modern brook
exotic spoke
I hate all of you
oblique garnet
oh yeah 90 freedom units is how much in kg?
exotic spoke
35-40ish? Off the top of my head
oblique garnet
Y i k e s
exotic spoke
40.8
exotic spoke
Me too! Getting in shape and losing weight
modern brook
😮
chrome falcon
Hey so do we think static str + on use vers is better than static vers + on use str?
sand egret
should call ya Calfango for now eh?
chrome falcon
Got both pvp trinkets at level 435
sand egret
i'd pro go with the static str tbh
warm plinth
Yeah same, unless it's a magical trinket that lines up perfectly with Avatar, which probably doesn't exist anymore with Vision existing
chrome falcon
2 min CD 20 second duration
warm plinth
Yeah I'd go with the static str
modern brook
i think its pretty hair splitting tbh tho
exotic spoke
Bull, I mean, I’m getting in shape and losing fat while working on increasing muscle mass. But you gotta start some place
warm plinth
Unless I want to be one of those world's strongest man guys, I have to lose weight in either case XD
exotic spoke
Oh I definitely do too.
Honestly bored out of my kind today. Why the fuck did I come to work
sand egret
for some reason I can only picture Bull on his rogue just spamming his buttons like that kermit gif
weary thorn
so 
hushed cobalt
Have the hostility fuel your workouts
modern brook
i cant even be mad at that blade thats p on point
warm plinth
Could reduce your stress by getting a foot pedal for those claps
sand egret
oh my god. I'm only going to say this once, but god bless microsoft. Their dev tools are fucking on point
exotic spoke
Voice activated 🥾 🍵 👏
sleek orbit
boys i am having a problem i am a 433 prot and i can tank easily until +10 but in keys like 12 or 13 i take waaaay too much damage is somthing i'm doing wrong? i have 1 deafening crash 2 bastions of might and 2 brace for impact... any suggestions?
sand egret
it's prob not a trait thing tbh
keys scale a lot more aggressively than they did before
so the difference between a 10 and a 13 is going to be noticeable
that also means that mistakes are more felt (not having SB up etc)
sand egret
it's also back to Fort week
last mason
uf or hmc
sleek orbit
i have the orgozoa shield 430
warm plinth
So shield isn't it
sand egret
yyeah shouldn't be a shield thing
mitigation, getting your DPS to interrupt
i'm putting my money on those
due to the nature of how warrior mitigates if you're feeling like you're getting "trucked" it's most likely because:
a) it wasn't blockable
or
b) you didn't block it when ya shoulda
sick sentinel
this any good? https://i.imgur.com/tqj84yo.png
sand egret
Trash! Trash!
warm plinth
TRASH TRAAAASH
sand egret
lol love that part
warm plinth
Me too lol
sick sentinel
i would be replacing it with this https://i.imgur.com/mWDIErZ.png
sand egret
i always tell my friend that "Oh shit here comes your theme song"
exotic spoke
Given shield Ilvl, character Ilvl, etc and with no other information available, it’s probably a player issue.
Either you aren’t using your defensives properly, (not just shield block / last stand but also shield wall / demo / rallying cry / IP), you’re improperly specced, or are pulling to large
However, it could also be a player issue with your healer and or dps. If they aren’t using their Ccs / interrupts properly / overlapping them / overlapping their defensives on you (healer) when you have yours up etc
warm plinth
Yeah I'd use phial. Easy choice
distant crystal
yeah i was trying to math out that trinket once
the on use is like 1% physical damage reduction
or something silly
exotic spoke
Basically Matteo, without more information, specifically logs or a vod, it’s hard to say
sick sentinel
...
distant crystal
referring to the plat plating
sleek orbit
i always try to keep the shield block up and when i have to tank major damage i trow ignore pain. i use demoralizing shout almost in cooldown than shield wall when it looks really bad also rallying cry
last stand for a bit of healing
warm plinth
Last Stand is not for healing
exotic spoke
What talents do you have?
sand egret
you generally want to layer IP with SB as well
while SB takes priority, they work together very well (and kinda the point of the kit)
sleek orbit
i always use themn toghether
sand egret
but last stand is also like
distant crystal
you basically always should unless it's unblockable dmg
sand egret
a very used thing
sleek orbit
talents are 1223211
warm plinth
Demo should be used absolutely on CD. And Last Stand should be pretty damn close to on CD if you're not having a lot of down time between packs
sand egret
i question "for a bit of healing" sentiment
it's a insanely good cooldown
at 2 min + AM you can get that up almost every pack imho
sleek orbit
yea i meant that i use it when i need healing
sand egret
well it's use isn't for healing
warm plinth
Last Stand's healing is almost an afterthought. Its primary function (assuming you have Bolster talented) is to increase your block uptime
sand egret
its for regenning shield block
exotic spoke
Matteo, there’s some of your issue.
Your defensive rotation should be three shield blocks into last stand
Do not use block while last stand is up.
You’re going to repeat that rotation as much as possible and fill gaps in with other abilities like shield wall
distant crystal
just do 2 hardmodes ya slacker
warm plinth
Not huge but not insignificant either
exotic spoke
Worth getting
warm plinth
No reason not to get it really
last mason
ugh mecha, also im correc tin thinking ms is more offensive value than a second dc right
warm plinth
Yes
weary thorn
on the second hardmode, do it without deaths for the easy rank 2 > 4 jump
warm plinth
Which tbh isn't really as hard as it seems. The only real risk is fucking up the hard mode clicking on Mechagon
weary thorn
that and stomping littles if you dont kick the renormalizer's during trash clear
weary thorn
hah, I got my 4 last week so now I just run it for guildies alts
exotic spoke
Major you can’t jump rank 3
warm plinth
We try to do it every week on HM but we haven't put any real effort into flawless yet
exotic spoke
It was originally thought you could - but blizz clarified you couldn’t
warm plinth
He just meant getting R3 and 4 at the same time I think
That's why he said the 2nd HM clear
weary thorn
I got r3 and 4 at the same time
exotic spoke
In 5 weeks we had 3 deaths on a stupid boss and no other seats / wipes
Oh my bad, I missed on the second clear
I stand corrected.
exotic spoke
Slime
warm plinth
Yikes
weary thorn
ouch
sick sentinel
exotic spoke
Yeah - 3 people got gooped into a walkie shocker
warm plinth
Imo he was only hard the first time we did him because he lived for an eternity (we were like 412 average in the group)
And it was a blind run, so that didn't help. We were like okay wowhead says this, let's go!
exotic spoke
We can do it. But the other runs tend to include a single wipe on mechagon. Now trying to convince people to do it because I want rank 4
sick sentinel
look at this bullshit ass warforge
weary thorn
Slime was hard the first time we ran it too
after that it was the dumb triangle of death on hk-8
now its a single phase every time
exotic spoke
It wasn’t the first time. People just weren’t paying attention. Didn’t clear a bot and it snowballed
It was like 3rd ....
weary thorn
yea
exotic spoke
One run was great until I was showing someone where to stand on last boss and I jumped off the edge by accident
Luckily we wiped after that so it wasn’t my fault
weary thorn
oof
we had a flawless run with a holy pally and one of our dps messed up the buttons on last boss
no mass root makes the first 3 interesting
warm plinth
Idk we never even though of mass rooting. We kill slime and king fast enough that we usually only get one spawn during the fight (we all stand right inside the range of HK-8 and force a spawn of shockies immediately before pull)
Actually pretty sure we only get 1 spawn during HK-8 as well
Maybe 2, since we don't force those
exotic spoke
Mass root every set of walkie shockies really helps
We bait them out away from boss, mass root, then engage
warm plinth
Only one we ever get multiples on I think is Trixie and Naeno and that's just because the fight is usually longer
Feels like it is anyway XD But you have a lot more room on that fight regardless
Yeah idk we usually do like an aoe stun if they come close or whatever, but never felt like anything else was necessary since everything dies so fast now
Usually on King and Slime the initial spawn is far enough away anyway that they don't even get to you before they self destruct
Even without a root
We tried week 1 and it went horribly (made it to HK-8 and then just endless wipes). Went back when we were probably like somewhere in the 420s average ilevel with me being 431 or so probably, and we wiped the floor with every boss. Only wipes were once on KUJO since we didn't realize the waste did damage when we threw it in at first, and then like 10 on Mecha while we figured out the best way to do the call outs for the sequence
warm plinth
10.9 I think? Pretty sure it's 40 = 1%
warm plinth
FWIW, obviously from Legion but can't imagine they'd have changed it
warm plinth
Or well, I guess yeah since stats are lower
They'd have to
I feel like I've heard 40 before though 🤔
sick sentinel
he would have to have like 2200 and that is simply not possible
stiff star
Hey all, kinda newish tank here, mainly do 10-13 keys... I got boned on my first relinquished chest and got one with meticulous scheming. Noticed it simmed high for dps (which I like). Is it not recommended to stack MS if I’m only doing hard mode mecha and up to like 13 M+?
sick sentinel
40 is for leech
kinda got boned
looted bis chest
1DC 3BOM 2MS is bis
for all kind of keys
exotic spoke
I want that chest 😦
stiff star
Ha ok nice
sick sentinel
ashenvane warden
exotic spoke
Yeah
sick sentinel
kraken shell shoulders
stiff star
Sorry I was looking at wowhead... i guess guide is out of date
exotic spoke
I’m saving up for both of those 😦
sick sentinel
and either abyssal malevolance or radiance mythic helm
wowhead is bad
icy veins is good but only for pure surv
exotic spoke
Icy veins is usually what we suggest following. It is also written from a defensive point of view
stiff star
Good to know 😂
stiff star
Thanks all! Once again super helpful!
sick sentinel
yo
stiff star
Thanks @sick sentinel !
sick sentinel
those bracers give 20% avoidance on-use lmao
warm plinth
The deflectors?
sick sentinel
ya
warm plinth
That's actually pretty insane lol
exotic spoke
-20% aoe damage.... hooraaaayy
sick sentinel
440 last boss mechagon bracers
and 600 parry rating
which is how much
like
5%?
exotic spoke
Sounds roughly correct
sick sentinel
yo
exotic spoke
16% uptime on those buffs kaege
warm plinth
Well, 80 per the first %. I think parry and dodge have DR on rating
exotic spoke
That’s pretty goodddddd
sick sentinel
crit chance doesn't fall off but parry chance falls off
you can use the bracers every add wave
in orgo
to soak
exotic spoke
Conceptually, I don’t think if it’s worth the loss in secondaries
But I haven’t seen orgo yet so /shrug
void berry
Hey guys. Gonna tank the adds on Orgozoa tonight. I have the choice between double IF or double DC. What's gonna deal more you think ?
Given that IF is gonna proc on 3 targets all the time, and DC is hitting 4 most of the time.
void berry
Yeah ok I have one of each already.
The question is, on my third piece, where I have the choice between a second of each one, which one do I take :p
It's that or Callous Reprisal.
Ain't sure I wanna take that.
modern brook
if ur only concerned with damage output you can just sim it
and get a real non-feely answer
modern brook
if ur concerned about overall throughput
go if cause 2nd dc doesnt do anything defensively
thats the bullfango 🐒 though of the day
void berry
I'm gonna sim it you're right.
modern brook
take it as you will
void berry
Ok another question, in case you tried it. "Intimidating Presence", that prevents the next 30k damage from enemies that took an Intimidating Shout. Does it work if the enemy is fear immune ?
void berry
Thanks 🙂
modern brook
but even if it did unless your other option is absolute dog shit its probably better than it still
its main use is in PvP as a way to help peel
void berry
PvP trait or not, on 4 targets it's a 120k "shield". On a 1.5 minute CD tho... So yeah ok it's pretty bad.
sick sentinel
@analog swift do not go for more than one DC
IF and BFI are like, super valuable for raiding
modern brook
👋 hi kaege
analog swift
yeah agreed
did i say otherwise?
my original "one of each comment" was because I didn't realize he already had one of each
sick sentinel
hi bull
hazy dust
Should i go x2 MS or x1 MS x1 IF?
sick sentinel
2ms
analog creek
If the target is fear immune it does not apply the absorb. It is really useful trait for m+, most trash mobs are fearable.
And generally you want to regularly use fear anyway as a non stun intterupt
sick sentinel
it's not that useful in mplus come on
compared to some other traits
like RP or IV or gemhide
analog creek
Other traits are better sure, but options on that tier are often limits
sick sentinel
and using it as an interrupt most of the time they will not even do the full absorb in damage
hazy dust
2 MS even for M+?
brittle owl
yea
analog creek
I'll just say that the fear trait has more than once saved my group from a full wipe, there are a few traits I would take over it, but it still has good value.
analog creek
No
sick sentinel
so it can't even save your group
analog creek
It prevents the next x dmg the mob does, on any target
analog creek
It is too hard to control it, and your actual uptime is a fraction of the theoretical
oblique garnet
hm?
bronze lantern
i think you undervalue IP kaege
sick sentinel
I mainly use it as an interrupt
oblique garnet
ip is giga if you use intshout on cd in big pulls
sick sentinel
you mean int shout (he editted it)
bronze lantern
i was about to type that kaege
yeah IP is pretty darn good if you play with non pepega comps and can use int shout as defensive
sick sentinel
if you can use int shout on CD
bronze lantern
it gives you another buffer for magic hits & SB downtime
sick sentinel
same but cba
bronze lantern
this tbh
oblique garnet
At 450
void berry
it's more than the automatic 22k shield every 30sc
sick sentinel
2k hps if on cd
sick sentinel
it does not
void berry
😦
junior ivy
Hi
sick sentinel
hi cat
void berry
hey kitty
exotic spoke
Hi cat friend
exotic spoke
But it’s her name....
sick sentinel
cat is friend
exotic spoke
^^
modern brook
catfriend is def friend
sand egret
@sick sentinel also note that imposing presence is applied to the mob so it works extra wonderfully in how the overall mitigation is calculated afaik
sick sentinel
having IP makes things like fortified saurids a bit easier
sand egret
yeah, it's a sleeper for certain damage types/patterns
exotic spoke
Catfriend is very nice so stop spreading cat lies. Especially after ghash abuse lies
exotic spoke
Grats mang
weary thorn
grats nome
strong forum
like what is this
struggling on ashvane, and as soon as we killed her once we kill her within 1-3 pulls on reclear 4 times in a row... its annoying
warm plinth
lul
I mean, WF raiders take 200 pulls for a boss and reclear in 1 attempt too so don't feel bad XD
warm plinth
Why's that? Typically the reason you were wiping is because you were doing something wrong or had to change a strat slightly right? Once you figure out your mistakes/strat, you kill the boss and doing it the same way again should result in another kill.
sick sentinel
no ghash
warm plinth
Not to mention you typically have better gear on the next attempt
sick sentinel
typically
warm plinth
As a group
warm plinth
😂
warm plinth
I just meant in a general sense that's how it should go. If anything it sounds like you should be pleased that it's working out that way for you lol.
warm plinth
Yeah inconsistency is for sure irritating
And wiping on a reclear repeatedly is annoying too.
exotic spoke
Its also a mental obstacle
warm plinth
Yeah, pressure is reduced after you've killed it
exotic spoke
Frustration during wipes inhibits performance.
strong forum
our guild is frustrated before we even start raiding
cuz for some reason
it has moved from memes
to britcore tryhards
which is the annoying part
people all of a sudden got way too serious after getting 2x CE
exotic spoke
I’m being serious.
strong forum
so am i
exotic spoke
I don’t doubt it - some people have high expectations set by past performance
strong forum
it kills the mood
like the officers and GM hate this raid
and im shadow-officer
simply because its nothing but complaining
no longer memes
so @sick sentinel defo dodged a bullet
warm plinth
Was he going to join your guild?/
sick sentinel
he tried to make me
shut summit
oblique garnet
🤔
exotic spoke
sick sentinel
I mean how many wipes did Method have on Za'qul and then the following Wednesday they 1-shot it?
strong forum
165
distant crystal
where was it you could find spell reflect dmg in details?
modern brook
in skada its damage done by enemy iirc
distant crystal
or maybe someone just knows what i'm looking for
oblique garnet
Apparently its possible to solotank azhara on hc
distant crystal
i reflected something on behemoth mythic a few times
trying to figure out what it was
modern brook
if you have logs its easier to check than through details
though arent you able to deny a stack w/ reflect on that fight?
oblique garnet
on Azhara ye
distant crystal
does WCL attribute spell reflect dmg to the warrior?
modern brook
no but it will tell you what was refelcted
undone sun
it's damage done from target to the same target
modern brook
and then u can find the damage from there
shut summit
@distant crystal prolly bioelectric feelers
distant crystal
i was thinking thaty
cause it was so inconsistent
so only when i was standing to close to melee/cotanks
shut summit
Only thing I've reflected on it
distant crystal
and i have the reflect weakaura and i vaguely recall it looking like the feelers icon
tho i'm having trouble finding it in warcraft logs
would like to know how for future ref
oblique garnet
But if you reflect it does it go to boss or the raid?
undone sun
oblique garnet
Its been too long i havent played my warrior in raids for ages 😦
lusty grotto
wat it do
gnomey patrol died before it started
rip @junior ivy @sand egret @outer dew @exotic spoke
lusty grotto
✝
outer dew
I mean
sick sentinel
Like blizzard said it would lul
outer dew
What you expect
lusty grotto
in other news water is wet
sick sentinel
No its not
exotic spoke
Not dehydrated water
lusty grotto
well me war is in that same server
outer dew
Think of all the people we could of ganked
exotic spoke
I remembered why I hate leveling after hitting level 12 in classic on a warrior
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
boys cat and dorf
lusty grotto
yeah
modern brook
we all know im the ugly
sand egret
hey, my dorf is made yo
but good lord I got to level 12 on my warlock....holy shit I wanted to off myself
here's a quest reward for a staff you cant even use yet so spend the next 30 minutes of your actual life running your ass to a far city to take an airship to an ever farther city to talk to one guy
lusty grotto
gnomechip is the cutest
then riki then cat maybe
cat tied with tofu
disregard that, cat tied with riki and tied with tofu
upbeat minnow
Hello fellow warrior tanks ! I have a question about RIO m+ rating. I tank +13 and +14's regular and still I have less rating than some who have done highest +11's. Anyone know how I can up my RIO rating and how they have more than me ?
sand egret
did you time those runs?
lusty grotto
fuck it, it looks like this:
- gnomechip (cutest)
- tofu, riki, cat
- blade
exotic spoke
Lol nim
upbeat minnow
My +14's are atleast all In time once
exotic spoke
Lone eagle what’s your character name
lusty grotto
have you timed all your dungeons?
sand egret
yeah that's my next question