I'll try to get them too.
#protection
void berry
dusky mica
Farm Everchill? Doesn't Briny beat it now anyway?
marble cipher
afaik, Everchill is one of the best aoe trinkets due to those "<number> damage to target(s)" trinkets being scaled up lately.
I know that I'm still using Kimbul 425 on my monk simply cause it's still really really good (ok, that's a 425, but still).
Though I'm no pro, and don't even really know what "Briny" is š
marble cipher
Didn't even know that one! Looks nice indeed
ionic fern
Simming m+ is a big yikes.
dusky mica
It's not up 100% of the time though which is Everchills only advantage.
void berry
Procs a lot on multi targets ?
dusky mica
Yes
dusky mica
Better than BoD farming
void berry
BoD once >>>>> 50 SotS
marble cipher
BoD once = one shot at trinket
50 SotS = 50 shots at trinket
ionic fern
š¤
marble cipher
š
void berry
50 SotS you're not 20 people that can drop it
marble cipher
But still, I'm going to continue to ask my guild to run a BoD M once in a while š
ionic fern
Everchill
void berry
Full strenght raid is doable.
marble cipher
@ionic fern M+ overall log? Or an add raid fight?
marble cipher
kek
void berry
ā Briny is taking a shot
sick sentinel
Everchill is big
marble cipher
buying a full BoD M clear is still 3.5M gold, guess that's out of the question š¤£
sick sentinel
Easy money
void berry
How is it that expensive given how easy it is ? Oo
3.5 million for 1.5 hours top seems a bit excessive.
marble cipher
yeah, it's probably that expensive since it takes time away from the boosters to run a HC EP in stead
void berry
But is HC EP that expensive ?
'cause again, HC EP is 1h for us. So for a real boosting guild...
marble cipher
HC EP is quite cheap, but in a lot higher demand, so many more runs going
Battle of Dazzar'Alor Mythic Fullclear with Mount included: 3500k
Jaina Proudmoore only with Mount included: 2800k
I mean, that's ove the top expensive for "old" content imo, but guess they'll have their reasons
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
sick sentinel
Because it takes time and effort to gather enough people that can be arsed to do old content
marble cipher
Yeah, guess that's the main reason
void berry
Maybe yeah.
brittle owl
highborne and briny are dependant on the add not dying until the effect does it's thing
everchill doesn't really care
so it ends up better overall, even if it sims lower on multiple targets
mortal carbon
Ty shinigami
dawn jasper
Hey guys, I'm pretty new to tanking and am aiming to hopefully clear up to +15 keys this season. I can do +10 alright but would like to improve. I've read guides and looked up a bunch of top prot warriors on Raider iO to check their gear and traits. I know practice makes perfrct, but I was wondering if there are some good streamers I could watch to get a better idea of how to run higher keys? TIA champions.
ionic fern
Most WoW people are streaming Classic content right now.
YOu can check out Sense's YT channel - pretty sure he has some videos of him doing keys there: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA
Other options are to go to the previous broadcasts of some of the higher r.io warriors and check their m+ videos on twitch.
BUT..as you stated yourself..practice makes perfect.
In most scenarios running higher keys comes down to knowing the pulls/dungeon and your own class well enough to execute them.
ionic fern
Most things you'll learn from videos are some neat skips/tricks .
But that's about it.
tribal knot
Whatās are the best survival trinkets from M+? New to warr tanking and donāt really raid..Thanks
stark ruin
If you don't run very high keys, you usually don't really need survival trinkets
Physical damage is not an issue
Magic can be, but you can run null barrier r3 and use ignore pain and spell reflect
tribal knot
Ok thank you
stark ruin
These are usually enough on most "layman" keys
Zul in fortified KR can be one exception, but that's most of it
sullen valve
Yeet
ionic fern
Keeping the tradition alive - i'm proud.
sullen valve
Y E E T
tribal knot
Lovely, thanks Eryona
junior ivy
hi
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
junior ivy
i got a shiny latias š
exotic spoke
Fancy! (I totally didnāt have to look that up to find out it was a PokĆ©mon)
junior ivy
hahaha
exotic spoke
I know the original ones - maybe some others here and there but Iām old and didnāt keep up with it
exotic spoke
Fair. I just watched the tv show and played some of the first two games
sand egret
I felt inspired.
exotic spoke
Oh shit son
karmic gazelle
hey guys, can i ask questions here about prot in classic?
ionic fern
#vanilla-discussion is probably a more suitable place
karmic gazelle
alright thnx
finite salmon
Does Reckless Flurry work for devastator or is that a bug on WCL for displaying traits
exotic spoke
^^ you forgo some defensives to do more dps
lusty grotto
nothing happened
exotic spoke
Nim lives!
exotic spoke
š¤
exotic spoke
What about.... BLADESTORM?
lusty grotto
yikes
exotic spoke
lusty grotto
remember when you could disarm bladestorm to stop it
exotic spoke
Yes. I had two weapons on me for pvp as arms
One with whatever enchant at the time and then one with a weapon chain
lusty grotto
pepperidge farms remebers
exotic spoke
I used the enchant until I got disarmed in a bg / match
lusty grotto
yup
exotic spoke
I started trying to watch the disarm timer of different people and if all where down Iād swap to enchanted for a bit too lol
lusty grotto
i honestly didnt bother cause i couldnt craft 2 different stormheralds
or i cant really remember
exotic spoke
I used gladiator weapons cause... axe smith and I didnāt think you could swap or I couldnāt at least
frank vigil
what mode Edicts of the Faithless do i use on m+?
sand egret
The whole point of the trinket is to change it depending on what damage you're tanking.
frank vigil
i just got it. I can change it mid instance right?
sand egret
yep
majority of damage you'll take in M+ is physical
but, for instance on the back half of ML, the magic one will see value on the bosses
sick sentinel
Hey all, I am new to the discord. Coming back to the game after 2 years. How is warrior tanking in bfa, is it as fun as WotLK was?
exotic spoke
Itās been a long time since I thought about WotLK tanking.
Personally I find it fun. We have to be proactive in our ability usage, do very good dps for a tank, and have amazing mitigation
@sand egret I find it funny that you went from one moleman pic to a āmole manā pic
sand egret
just speaks to me
exotic spoke
Yup
graceful aspen
Is there any haste cap for prot warriors?
ionic fern
No - no haste cap.
sullen valve
yeet
vernal stirrup
I feel weird, I haven't logged into retail since classic launched
am I finally free?
exotic spoke
Meh, Classic is just a different grind and, imo at least, a slower pace
vernal stirrup
yea I just don't feel like
rushed I guess
I didn't think I'd stick this long tbh
thought I'd be back to the faster pace
exotic spoke
I mean thatās an opinion you can have. Personally, Iāve always disliked leveling because of the experiences I had in vanilla with it
To me, the game starts at max level and always has.
Though, a lot of the issues with leveling will not be in Classic
vernal stirrup
yea this is just my opinion
I am just really enjoying it
honestly debating putting myself on indefinite leave with the raid team
probably gonna raid next week but if I am just wishing I was playing classic I'm absolutely gonna have to duck out for a while
exotic spoke
As an officer / raid leader of a guild - Iād ask that you let them know in advance and not screw them over. Give them a little time to find a replacement tank
Itās extremely frustrating to have your tank dip out with little notice.
vernal stirrup
I don't tank in raids
I'm fury
I just tank everywhere else since our raid tanks don't play much otherwise
exotic spoke
Ah, I just assumed. Then fair. Less important for a dps.
I hope Classic does well. But itās extremely hard for me to be motivated to play a 15 year old game and push content that Iāve already fully explored
Even if I hadnāt done it - the game is fully solved. There isnāt a lot of challenges / hidden info / etc left to find
vernal stirrup
for me it isn't really about the challenege, I know it'll be easy as shot but it's mostly exploring the game I grew up on
exotic spoke
That said - Iād pay money to copy original Riki from their databases just so I can pvp if Iām bored
vernal stirrup
I started playing wow when I was 6 in vanilla
exotic spoke
Ah, yeah I was 17 when it started. So I donāt really need to explore it much. Did the raids. Did the pvp grind. Cāest la vie
vernal stirrup
I got a warrior to level 24 somegow
exotic spoke
I am really interested in what they do with Classic though. After Naxx especially.
But like, do they add new content / balance patches? Do they create TBC servers and let you move your characters over? Do they leave it as is as a snapshot?
vernal stirrup
still have the character
I have no idea
I'm open to pretty much anything
kind of partial to new content in the style of classic
like osrs
exotic spoke
If they open up TBC I almost think it would have to be a new server option and you can transfer your char if youād like.
A good amount of the people really into Classic think anything after was trash or started downhill and would hate being forced to it
sand egret
most likely you'll get time capsule releases just going through the expacs once they nail down the whole process. I'd imagine if classic does super well, they'll integrate lessons but I highly doubt they'll make new content for classic any many senses
vernal stirrup
if they just do progressive releases sure
but what happens when they run out of releases
or they become unpopular
exotic spoke
I almost want them to create new content for it. Or at least balance it.*
After Naxx is finished I mean
coarse gale
Edicts of the Faitless 445 + socket or Bloodthirsty Urchin 430 no socket?
vernal stirrup
edicts
exotic spoke
Edicts
sand egret
i highly doubt they'll do that
sand egret
?
vernal stirrup
there's no future in the past expansions
exotic spoke
I do too. But honestly - that would get me to think about going back to it
vernal stirrup
if you just keep rereleasing the old stuff eventually you'll run out of old stuff
sand egret
no shit
exotic spoke
That and being able to pay to restore my original character
sand egret
that's why...the retail game exists
exotic spoke
Youāre not wrong Blade.
vernal stirrup
the part that already people don't particularly wnjoy
sand egret
eh
vernal stirrup
I can't see many people coming back go bfa
sand egret
i can also see this entire hype train dying down in a few weeks
exotic spoke
I think youāre over estimating the amount of people that dislike bfa that much
sand egret
yar
vernal stirrup
nah its not a dislike
it's about whether people care about it
and nobody has sentimental attachment to bfa
exotic spoke
With forums youāre going to get a very vocal minority. Itās always like this.
Negative reactions always instill a greater desire to bitch than a positive reaction is to spread the good word
And it turns into echo chambers.
sand egret
nobody had sentimental attachment to Classic....until after the fact
sand egret
people said the same shit about Legion
and yet people still talk about how awesome X was
there's a huge drive right now because it's the same but different
vernal stirrup
nobody is talking about cata like that
exotic spoke
Bfa gave us, what is in my opinion, one of the most fun new content design in a long time - M+
vernal stirrup
m+ was in legion
sand egret
Cata was huge in many ways, personally one of my fav expacs
exotic spoke
Cata was great for RBGs... I loved cata pvp. Iād go back just for that
sand egret
completely redeisgned the world
exotic spoke
Sorry, I meant legion instead of BFa
sand egret
arguably, part of the nostalgia of classic now is due to Cata.
"going back to old barrens"
"thousand needles NOT underwater"
etc.
vernal stirrup
I dunno dude
sand egret
best route they'll do are probably mini "time slices" added via Chromie and her shit that will provide "alternate realities" to allow for "new" stuff in the "old" content
exotic spoke
I donāt think anyone who truly enjoys wow wants classic or BfA to fail.
I think if someone does - they are extremely short sighted / narrow minded
Thereās no reason both games canāt coexist
vernal stirrup
I just don't think the future of the game is rereleasing the content in order for people to watch it become bfa again
vernal stirrup
but you don't ever see people rereleasing things that were deemed a failure for the most part
exotic spoke
I guarantee I know of at least one other person who would come back for something other than classic (in the Classic - Cata range). Literally off the top of my head
sand egret
:thikn
exotic spoke
What was deemed a failure? At the time there was little to no hatred for the features they added
TBC and WotLK definitely werenāt failures
sand egret
"deemed a failure" is also a questionable metric
sand egret
then how can you possibly make that statment
exotic spoke
WotLK was the peak subscription count if I remember correctly
vernal stirrup
I don't really know anything I'm just convinced they won't just keep rereleasing old expansions
sand egret
WotLK will 100% get a release
sick sentinel
Ulduar was peak subs
exotic spoke
Why wouldnāt they rerelease them as separate servers? That was classic people get classic, WotLK get WotLK etc
exotic spoke
Hey... I liked the trash in those raids
sand egret
they prob will, assuming they want to maintain that many concurrently
sick sentinel
Like that's when the game begun going downhill
sand egret
you're forgetting Riki, for a company that is downsizing, that's an entire team to deal with each one
seeing as SC is going to the retirement farm....
who knows
sick sentinel
Thing is, going downhill from Everest's top, you'll still take some time to reach the bottom
exotic spoke
In due time - not next week blade.
And if they donāt need to develop content they can move the initial launch team from project to project
exotic spoke
Which lawsuits?
sand egret
tax evasion being a big one
sand egret
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
its a murky landscape
you also won't waterfall these releases anyway, so you'll need multiple concurrent teams
vernal stirrup
what's this about lawsuits?
junior ivy
i just caught that diglet a lil while ago bladesong
i didnt evolve the alolan one yet š¦
only regular
sand egret
gotta get those three strands of hair!
exotic spoke
Why wouldnāt you want to waterfall them?
junior ivy
alolan dugtrio has glorious hair
exotic spoke
Seems more efficient manpower wise
exotic spoke
Rather recruit and then release these teams when no longer needed?
exotic spoke
I just think if they can endure the short term - waterfalling would be better for long term sustainability
Recruit and release? Lol
junior ivy
what game you guys talkin about?
exotic spoke
Conceptually releasing each expansion to wow like they did classic
sand egret
you'll have at least 3 teams
well 5 total
dev 1/ dev 2 / live 1 and then you'll have another dev 1/ live 1 for the "rereleases"
dats a lot of man power
junior ivy
i want a wotlk one so bad
sand egret
would be a safe bet to be seeing that in ~2-3 years me thinks
junior ivy
id play the shit out of that
exotic spoke
I think thatās a safe statement
exotic spoke
Legion would be further away
junior ivy
i wish legion just nevert ended
sand egret
that wont happen
sand egret
eh, i got bored of legion
junior ivy
youre crazy
sand egret
wasn't a huge fan personally
junior ivy
legion was great
exotic spoke
I didnāt play wod and left maybe 1/3 of the way through panda
I enjoyed end legion a lot better than early legion
exotic spoke
Early legion I had several gripes with
Balance / raid design / legendary reward system
End of legion a lot of these were fixed
vernal stirrup
legendary grind was a pain but other than that I didn't mind legion at all
exotic spoke
I despised getting my best legendaries literally last and feeling like I was hurting my raid because of it
sand egret
does explain your feelings towards the expac as a whole...
almost like your circumstances define your view of a past incident... š¤
junior ivy
also think im just like blinded by nostalgia had a good group of peopel to play with for most of legion
and had a lot of fun
exotic spoke
Literally mannoroths was the last legendary I got out of prot / generic ones
One before that was gloves? I think that was the other really good one
First one was ducking prydaz
PRYDAZ.... BEFORE THEY BUFFED IT
sand egret
yeah you can prob trace people's fondness for expacs to another denominator, such as raiding experiences (which imply stronger social ties)
junior ivy
yeh it was the social aspect of legion for me
in bfa i lost most of my WoW friends
and it wasnt fun
exotic spoke
Meanwhile - on day one / two a hunter in my guild (who was terrible) got three legendaries
sand egret
i loved WotLK myself, but also because it was at a notable time in my life and I did a lot of cool things in WoW at the time
raided etc.
exotic spoke
She spent more time on the floor than alive
And yes blade, I think youāre right. Itās why I love tbc -> cata
I love vanilla - I just donāt have any desire to play it again.
junior ivy
tbc, wotlk were when wow was new and fresh and exciting for me
also had a solid group of friends
and i just loved it so much
exotic spoke
Strong interpersonal ties where I was successful in content that is technically open ended (pvp)
sand egret
tbh, i logged on last night for the first time. Spent about 2 min level and dipped. It's 100% gotta be with others or I wont touch it haha
junior ivy
i tried to play wow again in like
late june?
but the social aspect wasnt there, felt out of place, didnt have my friends
and i gave up after a few days
i need the social side to enjoy wow
sand egret
totally understandable
exotic spoke
Iām telling you cat. You me @outer dew and two others. A roving band of gnomes ganking people
junior ivy
hahah im down
sand egret
and one dorf*
exotic spoke
I mean if weāre expanding - can I be a tall gnome (human) just like I was in vanilla
sand egret
Tofu already gave me an exception
junior ivy
i did a 18 person mythic pokemon riad in pokemon go today and it made me miss wow lol
outer dew
i mean
junior ivy
raid*
outer dew
we were just gonna be
a 5 man leveling/dungeoning/ganking gang
yo
if we can assemble 5
i'll resub RN
exotic spoke
But cat, I agree. I think Iāve met close to 30 people irl from playing wow. Thatās on the very high end Iām sure
outer dew
some great names
junior ivy
that is a lot
junior ivy
i only met the one guy from wow (well met him in this discord first) IRL
not against meeting others
exotic spoke
I went to my arena partners wedding
junior ivy
im pinkgnome please
exotic spoke
Pick a server. We doing pvp server then yeah?
exotic spoke
Is the dwarf going to heal us so we can do dungeons? @sand egret
sand egret
hmmm
outer dew
so
one of the boys need prot warrior and one of the boys need to be holy priest
right?
sand egret
its classic bruh, you can offheal and tank as arms lol
exotic spoke
Just tank as arms / fury for a bit
exotic spoke
Itās fine. I MTed occasionally as 31/5/15
outer dew
to be the tanky boi
outer dew
aite
i'll meme as a mage
because the thought of farming for soul shards
soudns fucking miserable
exotic spoke
Oh I thought we were going quad warrior for 4 MS but aight
outer dew
I MEAN
exotic spoke
I guess we want mana buns
outer dew
for the longetvity
yo
aite, jsut gotta find us our last person
for the gnome meme squad
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto hi - whatād you say?
exotic spoke
Heās in Puerto Rico so he was a little occupied recently
exotic spoke
Lol
uncut fog
What are ppl aiming for, bis stats and sockets or highest ilvl?
shadow tapir
Iāve been doing highest ilvl except for trinkets. It seems now like I need to rework that and start to adjust stat arrangements.
undone sun
@uncut fog ilevel
rings have more of a lenience for sockets and trinkets are incredibly situational
lusty grotto
excuse me
you guys are asking me to do classic yet again, in the year 2019
as a gnome
outer dew
i'm not asking you to play classic
uncut fog
Allright thanks for info
lusty grotto
with the gnomies
uncut fog
Does any of you have a WA for Shield Wall uptime?
lusty grotto
well i can probably do it during the weekend but i have my limits
no, why would you want shield wall uptime
uncut fog
Just to track it
uncut fog
Ye so buff uptime, so a logo is coming up for 8 seconds until it expire
But it's not important, it was only if you guys ahd one š
uncut fog
True
exotic spoke
So youāre down nim? Down to hang with the gnomies?
old zephyr
hey for a shield 435 scket+ avoid or 440?
upbeat minnow
Anyone can recommend me 2 good DPS trinkets from M+ for tanking M+ ?
random urchin
Higher ilvl shield = more block and stam. Always the way to go.
vernal stirrup
yes shield is always ilvl
floral sphinx
@uncut fog you can just make the WA you know?
crystal dirge
there is a dude in my group who claims that it is a legit high m+ tactic to keep Raoul in combat and he will dps for you like 1/5hp of the Crusher's pool with a single melee hit
anyone done this tact? it sounds like an exploit to me
exotic spoke
Anybcaptain will continue to find as long as you stay in combat if I remember correctly - but your group has to stay in combat the whole time so eating (mana) is incredibly challenging.
Drop combat and they stop
crystal dirge
is it not considered a huge exploit tho? lol
exotic spoke
Not as far as Iām aware.
My group doesnāt do it - typically because weāve already cleared most of the trash after them and itās hard to keep him in combat.
uncut fog
@floral sphinx I have no idea how to do that, bu yeah I could found out how to do it :S
floral sphinx
You can copy from the template under buff or you can just create a new icon go into the trigger tab...the options should go aura~player~buff, then click the name option...type in the name and then itās tracking the buff uptime @uncut fog
uncut fog
Allright thanks man
floral sphinx
Np
strange arch
hey peeps is there a recommendet cap of stats?
dusky mica
no
strange arch
got like 33% haste ^^
dusky mica
ok
strange arch
with max into the fray
exotic spoke
Thatās fine - more is (assuming equal Ilvl) is still good
Thatās actually not that much haste either
strange arch
well i could proc more haste with my pocket trinket
i m just 425gs
is there an amount of the stats i need for example versa 10% or sth else
undone sun
nope
strange arch
so i could also go with like 1% versa?
undone sun
more stats > better stats
there are no breakpoints, soft caps, or hard caps to worry about
exotic spoke
Just gear Ilvl and, as a rule of thumb, youāll be correct
strange arch
im just curious cause im getting quite mcu hdmg input
exotic spoke
What is your shield Ilvl?
strange arch
only 415
exotic spoke
What content are you doing?
strange arch
only m+ atm
exotic spoke
Talent choice - bolster, indomitable, or never surrender?
strange arch
bolste
exotic spoke
And lastly how frequently are you using Last Stand?
exotic spoke
I know thyme, I was asking what heās running
strange arch
keeping it up
undone sun
š
exotic spoke
So, your shield Ilvl is low. They updated k values (what determines how much damage you block as a percentage) and that is a good amount of incoming damage
I should rephrase - getting a higher Ilvl shieldnwill be very noticeable in damage reduction
Iād make sure youāre prioritizing shield block over IP if there are melee mobs. Your rotation should be 3 shield blocks, last stand. Repeat (fill in with other things if LS is down)
Haste will help with increasing the amount of blocked hits (by letting shield block be up more)
Be sure to not use block while youāre last standing
Otherwise, without more specific information itās hard to help out.
It could be a you problem, it could be gear, it could be a healer problem, or it could be that dps arenāt interrupting shit they should
lusty grotto
i wouldn't say that
exotic spoke
No, itās a matter of prioritization based on expected incoming damage
exotic spoke
Which trinket? The ablative plating?
marsh kindle
modular platinum plating
exotic spoke
No itās not really good
marsh kindle
dropped me now and forged 450...
exotic spoke
Ilvl is a consideration though
marsh kindle
430 sorry
exotic spoke
What other trinkets do you have?
marsh kindle
both of raid trinklets....
exotic spoke
What Ilvl?
exotic spoke
Youāre welcome man
sick sentinel
oh god why did i agree to tank heroic queen
novel temple
hey, whys the spell reflect/block spreadsheet not pionned?
sick sentinel
D:
undone sun
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
sick sentinel
i'm too sttressed for it >.<
opal snow
any thoughts about the ep tanking trink? edict?
distant crystal
gz homie
spice ferry
grats!
ionic fern
lost talon
What race on horde is best racial for M+ prot warr
Ztroll, troll, orc, maghar, or tauren
undone sun
if you're looking for usefulness, belf even though it's not in your list.
realistically horde racials don't do a whole lot, the difference is marginal at best.
quiet crane
Tauren for horde bro
undone sun
subjective then
quiet crane
Nah nah Tauren
undone sun
HMT if anything
ionic fern
Goblin for aesthetics wdym.
tight tree
Aesthetic is completely objective choice, for sure. š And that choice is, GO ORC OR GO HOME.
vocal nimbus
Undead š
tawny maple
Im convinced Class charge is better than Retail charge
mental scarab
brittle owl
you could do it until 1.11 tho
signal dragon
tawny maple
Yeah but this charge doesnt give a fuck about whats around you it plows through trees and gates and stuff
None of this "no path available" garbo
signal dragon
Hey guys, someone plays with a Talent tree like me?(red circles) i prefer victory over fray because of more flexible selfheal (every 30 seconds & it heals alot with a CD on rallyingcry for example...) ( i reach 30k hps trough m+ dungeons permanently) .... and i choose menace Cover rumbling earth cuz if the viability... 40 seconds are no long cD for a mass Stun... so u have a second mass kick/cc that dont Pull....
Sometimes when M+ is pretty hard for me like as 15+ keys... i choose ravager in the last row... that makes me absolutly tanking everything...
brittle owl
š
undone sun
T75 is pretty subjective, wont make or break really
but T15 isn't subjective
undone sun
he didn't pick ravager
ITF is objectively better because of the amount of haste given, the heal from IV isn't major in the slightest.
brittle owl
he said he does in +15
old zephyr
Stormbolt is the rƩal deal my friend
signal dragon
I dont know, it makes me alot tankier... its like another aktive mitigation like shieldblock
brittle owl
you don't need it
undone sun
oh right, didn't read that last line, disregard that statment then
brittle owl
because anger management
brittle owl
your avatar should be on a 45 sec cd
old zephyr
Don't you love throwing hammer at People ?
brittle owl
LS on an even shorter cd
signal dragon
@old zephyr Hammer only At necrotic week
undone sun
warrior is an entirely proactive tank, and quite strong at it so trying to band-aid fix it with Impending victory wont help
still no
never use ravager
brittle owl
hammer is entirely group dependant
old zephyr
Release your inner paladin throw hammers at everything
thorn spruce
I heard we are talking about paladins
old zephyr
Great Damage mitigation, Great interupt
undone sun
T75 is very preferential
old zephyr
Great hammering
brittle owl
subpar hammering tbh
woyers clap
paladins hammer
together they are the best percussion group
brittle owl
@signal dragon with anger management and playing properly you should have avatar and last stand for every pack. because of bolster you can have 100% SB uptime on trash packs
old zephyr
I just love that hammer so much as6warrior, saved my ass so many times
signal dragon
Okay but for example... i played long time with randoms... and IV Made me mich more saver in taking pulls cuz i knew i cant really die... if i use LS & RC use IV i overheal every healer abd remember u Gott it every 30 seconds or sometime earlier if mobs dies inbetween.
brittle owl
the amount of haste you lose doesnt make up for the small hps increase
undone sun
not like we don't know how our own talents work
brittle owl
your issue is 100% play related, not talent related
old zephyr
I only play with random and IV is not worth it
brittle owl
since realistically you are gimping yourself
thorn spruce
But kyro, the reason you prefer into the fray over impending victory is because it allows you to use both your damage and mitigation tools more often, you get more rage because you have more haste, you can cast more shield blocks, and because you get more rage you can then cast more last stands, avatar, shieldwall and demoralizing shout, and because you can cast more demoralizing shouts you get more rage and you can cast more demo shouts, and the increased avatar uptime from the extra haste is really nice
tl;dr more haste more good
brittle owl
more haste=more rage=more defense/damage= faster cooldowns
thorn spruce
I think I got that right, ye thyme?
ionic fern
Roughly yes, good boye Woli.
undone sun
yeh
thorn spruce
š
ionic fern
I would pat you but you know..no custom emojis. š¦
undone sun
this is actually the communist manifesto
thorn spruce
undone sun
don't throw macro under the bus like that, he's a good owl
thorn spruce
macro goodest owl
brittle owl
i am allowed to, i live in a former communist country
undone sun
š
brittle owl
i can smell commies from a mile
ionic fern
o.o
signal dragon
But as i understood warriors biggest weakness is that he has no regular selfheal....only if a Mob dies... do i tried this and i really think that works better... when im Home ill tell u my stats & howmuch CD i Got for the core skills... dont Think that makes that big matter...
brittle owl
that isnt a weakness when you account for the sheer mitigation warrior brings
ionic fern
Jeah, we are not ment to be a "healing-reactive tank".
brittle owl
considering you theoretically take the least amount of damage compared to the other tanks
ionic fern
We're a pro-active tank that focuses on mitigating incoming damage.
brittle owl
especially in m+
signal dragon
Its true.. tanks with the common skill tree does more damage etc... but my survivability is much higher
Even if heal dies/gets oom im able to hold it alot longer than with the common tree
ionic fern
You feel like it's better because you press IV and see your HP go up by a margin and it FEELS like it's the best talent cause you can actually "see and "feel"" the heal while ITF just gives you passive haste.
ITF is the go-to talent in that row in every scenario right now.
It just provides more of everything if the class is played correctly.
If you "feel" like you want to play with IV then go ahead and do it..it's a game after all but we do not advice you to do so since it's inferior to ITF.
old zephyr
Dk is "take Ć lot of Damage and heal it up"
Warrior is "wait6for for it i'm gonna take damage soon, wait for it, wait for it,....
Nevermind everything os dead"
signal dragon
@old zephyr doesnt feel like it but that maybe grounds to my miss statting xD somebody here said crit is Main stat haste goes after... so i was 35% crit... 2% versa....
ionic fern
Even from a simple point : more haste = more SB's and shield block mitigates wayyyyyyyyyyy more than IV.
signal dragon
But im correcting it.
ionic fern
You should go :
Ilvl->haste->whatever secondary since they are all very close together.
For m+ primarily it should be ilvl->haste/crit.
signal dragon
I dont Know with crit i feel pretty squishy...
ionic fern
If you feel squishy then it's your playstyle rather than stats.
signal dragon
I got now 10% versa and im tanky af... with crit i had problems to stay Alive with ilv 433 @ 10m+
undone sun
š¤
ionic fern
Definetly your playstyle .
novel temple
Definitely playstyle
old zephyr
10 % vers shouldn't change anything
old zephyr
I'ts literally only 5% diffƩrence
ionic fern
"playstyle" as in - when to press what mitigation tool and how you play the class.
signal dragon
And Spam ignore pain
ionic fern
yeah
There you go.
There's your problem.
You don't spam IP.
Do you happen to have any logs?
Even from raids?
brittle owl
*unless you rage dump
ionic fern
I could help you go over them and see what's up together.
novel temple
Like my playstyle is horrible cause I spam ignore pain to not rage cap
And even I feel invincible as long as I just rotate through shield blocks
old zephyr
As a warrior you can't really just "press mitigation buttons"
You are the tactician, you have to know What is gonna hurts you, when and for how much, and then use the appeopriate tool to prƩvent that to happen
brittle owl
that kind of excessive rp to explain proactive mitigation but essentially right
ionic fern
Are you on EU-Thrall @signal dragon ?
old zephyr
Excessive RP is What makes the design of the class that way
novel temple
Wrong
sick sentinel
Is better the talent for bigger clap range or jump talent?
sick sentinel
MÄ too, but maybe the range is worth more fs
brittle owl
bigger range means you can still clap while kiting
sick sentinel
Dps
brittle owl
jumpy speed is for quick gtfoing
sick sentinel
So necrotic week
novel temple
You faction change straight to kultiran if you play ud
brittle owl
or better swaps in raids
old zephyr
Basically v how much do you trust your group ?
brittle owl
^
novel temple
For fuck all
signal dragon
@ionic fernexactly
novel temple
Get sphere of suppression and never worry again
old zephyr
If you trust them, clap away, else you May wants to gtfo
ionic fern
@signal dragon this is your Radiance logs casts.
There are multiple things from here:
1)You are casting WAYYYYYYYYYYY too many devastates - be sure to only use Devastate when Thunder Clap and Shield Slam are both on CD.
2)Too few Shield Slams&Thunder Claps due to spamming Devastate.
3)You only used Shield Block 4 times in a 6 minute fight which is very bad - Shield Block is your primary mitigation tool and should be used to mitigate the incoming physical damage.
4)You only used Avatar 5 times which is also very bad.
6)You had 0 casts of Demoralizing Shout ..you were running with Booming Voice which means that ontop of not taking advantage of the damage decrease it provides you also lost out on A LOT of rage and damage.
There's also only 2 Last Stand casts and 0 Shield Wall casts.
novel temple
Heās also using anima as a major
ionic fern
Ontop of that:
This is your rage generation - you should never over-cap rage.
The "Wasted" category shows how much rage you lost..500 rage lost is A LOT.
signal dragon
The shieldblock is i only Pop it if hevy dps comes in
ionic fern
No..you pop shield block when you're actively tanking the boss.
signal dragon
Demo shout idk was brain afk fight lol
ionic fern
If there's heavy damage incoming you will pop one of your CD's.
signal dragon
Okay...
novel temple
Or just shield block and ignore pain it honestly
signal dragon
As this i Player before and felt squishy...
novel temple
If itās magic damage, spell reflect and ignore pain with demo shout up
undone sun
Shield block is warriors active mitigation, use it liberally while actively tanking
ionic fern
I can only imagine how squishy you were without Shield Block jeah...especially in m+ where like 90% of the damage is physical.
old zephyr
Shield block 101 :
Am I capped in charges
yes= use it
No= Will I nzes6it in the next 8 seconds :
Yes =then use it in 8 seconds
No =buse7it now
Avatar / demo shout 101 :
Is it on CD :
Yes = It's okay it'll be back soon enough
No = use it and clap away
Ignore pain 101 :
Am I going to cap rage :
Yes = use ignore pain
No = am I taking a lot of Damage and SB is un available /already active :
Yes = use ignor pain
No = don't use it just now
Those are of course basics
There Will be tile Where it Doesn't apply, but this Will cover 95% of situations
ionic fern
And also - go read the icy-veins guide for general information. You can find it in #268491842637660160 protection section. :)
crystal dirge
bosses still do get bolstered right?
sick sentinel
yes
old zephyr
I is sad...
No stupid pulls this week
old zephyr
Who Doesn't feel bad ?
Boomies Maybe
Assa rogue ?
Fury possibly but I don't even think so
sick sentinel
fury wants to cleave executes
zugzug a mob down to low health and then cleave executes from it
not good with bolst
old zephyr
True, they love chainpulls
sick sentinel
ya
anyway
I found this screenshot
from like a month or so ago
I presented him the floor pedal idea
he wants to play prot with an entire drumset now
undone sun
doesn't sound too hard
old zephyr
Keybind on an electrical Battery
Brb Gotta find Ć music store
Fury would be amazing on it
Very rythmical spec to play
sick sentinel
big true
old zephyr
But Maybe still Ć bit too "slow" to play with drumps
exotic spoke
Morning
ionic fern
Hiii
old zephyr
Hey
sick sentinel
Hello
exotic spoke
Itās too early / maybe I was up too late
signal dragon
Well thanks for that lots of help and mentions... ill try the old recommendetbuild again... and will Report to you how it works
@novel temple only cuz i dont have Vision of Perfektion now but ill get it pretty soon...
sand egret
@sick sentinel not even kidding when I say I did that during legion, bind my shit to a drum kit
sick sentinel
Sounds cool as fuck
sand egret
it's super awkward, (I went full in so moving was weird) but the foot pedal as a button actually is hilarious
I had it on infernal leap
generally used it as a shift+ modifier though
sick sentinel
The holy paladin in my guild has it for a push to talk button
exotic spoke
Itās a really good idea for PTT
sand egret
that is a great idea...
lusty grotto
thats the original functionality of the thing
SMH GUYS
???
but i forgive you
because its friday into a long weekend
sand egret
shadow tapir
Has there been a stat shift I have missed? As I'm cruising through heroic EP logs I am seeing a ton of Crit and ver low mastery.
On the higher tier mythic stuff tho I am seeing a ton of mastery and vers.
ionic fern
People are using what ever is the highest ilvl items in general since that's what brings the most benefit.
Also,so far into the tier heroic/mythic EP is mostly filled with tanks focusing on DPS'ing and parsing so they'll gear what ever does most dps.
exotic spoke
^^
shadow tapir
Ok so the philsophy is still the same it's just that those stat combinations are pushing the meta, so to speak?
exotic spoke
Not really? Itās early in a tier, relatively speaking, so some tanks are just using the highest Ilvl they can get.
Other tanks, have determined for their situations, that they donāt need the defensive side of things and can push dps. In fact some fights encourage that
shadow tapir
Ok. I was looking at Azshara since that's where we are, I had a few 90+ parses but they weren't kills so they don't count. When I started comparing my gear stats are the inverse of these similiarly geared warriors.
It was confusing me but that helps clear it up I think.
exotic spoke
Heroic or mythic?
exotic spoke
Yeah - at this point if mythic guilds are going back in then raiders are usually going for parses while they reflect
Again, itās most likely going with what you can get.
Depending on what I did right before I log off Iāll either be in a full defensive build for m+ or in a full offensive build for raids / pushing ashvane
Since ashvane doesnāt hurt that much we can sacrifice - Sorry Iāve determined I can sacrifice - survivability for more dps to help out
Mastery is slightly lower on priority with multiple BoM btw
brittle owl
@shadow tapir stats don't matter, you shouldn't give them that much attention
exotic spoke
More stats is more better
brittle owl
yes but at that point it's just ilvl
looking at stats is the wrong way to go when trying to see how other players push dps
brittle owl
it's more productive to look at essences/talents/azerite/trinkets and especially
kill timers
and execution
to see how they manage that dps
you're not seeing the forest cause of the trees type of thing
exotic spoke
Think weāre going for two phase ashvane next week. Weāre struggling with three phasing due to volume of coral
Did two āfor scienceā pulls with two tanks and got to 57ish% first shield break
shadow tapir
ok, man I wish there was just like a grocery list I could go out and farm up, haha
brittle owl
if you get to 57 first shield break you should be gucci
well there is sheets
null r3, rf/bfi azerite
highest ilvl yellow punchcards for cyclo bladt
exotic spoke
Yeah - and thatās with some people not changing their cooldowns / using them appropriately due to Mis communication
exotic spoke
Cyclo wise - itās great for single target. Donāt use it in m+
brittle owl
everyrhing i said applies only to raids
exotic spoke
Just wanted to clarify that maelkenar. Sorry!
shadow tapir
Ok, well the good news is I have a decent amount of that. I am definitely messing myself up by continously rotating between raid and M+
exotic spoke
I just CBA to farm benthic / pearls
shadow tapir
last night was the first time I ran RFx2 w/ devastator and razor coral, def dps boost there
brittle owl
m+ is just a "do more" type of thing, stuff becomes clear once you push past 16/17's
you start to understand where you need to optimize based on your group the more you do
exotic spoke
Yeah - clear that I have to go more defensive than last season š¦
peak stratus
is it possible to sim for tank stats?
exotic spoke
You can sim dps only
brittle owl
ilvl>haste>everything else for defense
peak stratus
ā¤
brittle owl
gearing for defense is the easiest thing to do
nah you don't need to go more defensive riki
you just need to go defensive earlier
since keys scale harder
peak stratus
a ~5ilvl increase would be worth losing haste?
exotic spoke
What maelkenar said
brittle owl
yes
exotic spoke
Yes
brittle owl
also more stats from ilvl in general
brittle owl
š
jagged bay
hey have a nice weekend everyone!:)
ionic fern
Play classic.
exotic spoke
Why would I do that?
Though to be honest - I wish my guild had something my first raiding guild did - we had an irc bot in game so if you couldnāt be online you could still talk
It did other things, mostly for fun / silly things, but also tracked epgp
Mainly just want to berate some people from time to time
sand egret
You too @jagged bay !
jagged bay
thanks! š
sick sentinel
LMAO
oblique garnet
š¤
junior ivy
i need him lol
tell him im looking for him if he talks
see, if he was yellow, id easily be able to see if he was on or not
distant crystal
you can see if he's online by typing @Thy without hitting enter
it'll show green in the autocomplete list
š
tame garden
sand egret
Thyme told me he's avoiding you
junior ivy
id rather see his name in the list
and thyme would never avoid me
i am his biggest fan
he loves me
oblique garnet
š¤
tawny turret
:D
tawny turret
Hi
junior ivy
what kind of warrior are you
junior ivy
oh. horde š¦
i think real thyme is horde too though tbh..
i guess i can accept that
tawny turret
:D
junior ivy
i havent played since spring
gnome prot warrior
actually more liek winter
wait
i quit in october
wtf am i talking about
its been almost a year..
tawny turret
Haha time flies
tawny turret
It's nice, lots of old players around
You should try it if you got a sub anyway! :)
junior ivy
dont have a sub haha
š¦
i wonder if i have enough gold for one
im gonna install wow classic..
just in casew
case*
tawny turret
Nice! If you roll horde on Gandling message me! :)
vocal skiff
So I have taken a break shortly before the release of season 3
How do people like beguiling so far
And what key lvl an average joe like me would be able to tank in a pug with shitty essences and 418 ilvl?
tawny turret
It's not that bad
junior ivy
+15
tawny turret
Hm I would say +8 with s truly shitty pug
vocal skiff
Alright
tawny turret
You can get trough a +10 but don't count on making it in time
supple path
Even 10s are gonna be way more about execution than gear. You're capable of doing them in a 418 group if the group itself isn't subpar, but...yeah, gonna be hit or miss.
sand egret
yeah, gear wouldn't hold ya back imho
vocal skiff
On season 2 I could carry people through 10s
sand egret
but the affix itself is interesting
supple path
My big advice would be get raider.io, make your own groups, and get carried by better geared dps/healer until your gear catches up.
sand egret
id prob stick to making your own groups if you wanna do the +10s, mostly because you'll be competing against current tanks who are most likely better geared/ have a s3 r.io. Even +7s will still net you gear upgrades if you're still in the sub 420 range, but in terms of what you can hang in a +10 is doable for sure.
lusty grotto
chip reporting in
oblique garnet
@sand egret fix your pfp
lusty grotto
Dittosong
sick sentinel
@sand egret
stoic pilot
@vocal skiff I really like beguiling, itās not as good as reaping but itās not a bad seasonal by any means. Much better than infested
terse dragon
Beguiling wasn't as bad as I expected
grand drum
The void dominant prefix for beguiling sucks
sullen valve
Y E E T
mint adder
Resounding @sick sentinel
tight whale
15% Haste and 6% Versa without food as prot How It is??
sick sentinel
Stats
Numbers
is chain of suffering good
or just terrible
Not good
Got one with socket so :(
@tight whale asking this question makes me think like you have no idea how prot gears
@sick sentinel Just try it
sick sentinel
You equip highest ilvl gear
If gear is on the sane ilvl
Wear the one with the most haste
Vers is irrelevant
tight whale
Ok Ty, Kaege. Mainly on 440+ items
modern brook
I got chain and I cried cause it wasnt not chain
That's my new book feel free to buy it ok n Amazon book center
undone sun
@junior ivy hi
undone sun
Lol
undone sun
think he's playing classic
onyx vessel
Edicts is it good for raiding
mint adder
Edicts is good for raiding, loses value in mythic+ though
oblique garnet
???
oblique garnet
It doesnt lose value in m+ idk why you are making that claim
mint adder
You donāt utilize the stacking mechanic of it as much as raid
Unless you play around it
Iām saying raid edicts is better than m+ edicts
onyx vessel
I mean its prob better then jes howler and a 420 subroutine overclock with a mastery crit yellow punchcard
Howler is 430
I would assume vers is better then mastery with 3 boms
Guild wont let me tank cuz im somehow top 3 dps even tho i suck
Oof
sick sentinel
I would argue that edict is better in mplus
You put it on physical
And you just have it fully stacked
All the time
old zephyr
hey friends, our group is looking for strong tank for +18 UR on EU ally, PM me if interested
sharp plank
I had just joined heroic EP group in the middle of their run. I was summoned immediately and we pulled right after
after we killed that boss (orgozoa) we were running up to queens court and i was suddenly disconnected. only interaction i had with the team up to this point was whispering my aotc to the RL
wise rivet
hey guys, a quick question.. bloodthirsty urchin 415 with sockt VS bloodthirsty urchin 430 no socket.. 430 still better aye?