where you would get more dps with that build compared to the standard build
#protection
sick sentinel
If we don't have a proper test that compares just the dps aspect of it we won't know
sims exist
sick sentinel
Which is why I said idk if any1 has tested it
and how in any realm of possibility would a ST build do more damage in a dungeon overall than an AoE build
Extremely good procs is the only answer
still
not a thing
but that's rng
that's just a bad arguement
RNG evens out
you can't have good or bad rng for an entire dungeon
oh no I'm not disagreeing
exotic spoke
Zero reason to do that in m+ at all. Not only are you taking more damage you’re also doing less damage to the majority of the single
exotic spoke
Actually that’s how RNG works
sick sentinel
that's literally how RNG works
exotic spoke
As volume increases variance decreases - law of large numbers
sick sentinel
wait are you INR?
Yes
okay cba
Ok
But sure, rng definitely works like that in sims so it must work that way in game
exotic spoke
Actually, RNG works that way in real life. That is how random numbers work
It’s stats and probability
Bottom line is - for us it’s not worth taking a single target build into a m+ where there is a lot of cleave
that is before you consider the loss of survivability and assuming that the build chosen was even the best single target build - which it isn’t.
That said - It’s a ML 10 and if the OP had fun,then great. Good for him. That’s all that matters for the majority of the player base
sick sentinel
I'm not ignorant to the fact ST is basically shit for m+, I'm just entertaining the idea of what it'd look like
mossy cloud
405 rezans or 425 mchimbas for pushing keys?
sick sentinel
rezans
exotic spoke
Saw a rogue get 455 trinket from@siege last night.
fading leaf
Hey guys, i got a 430 Dreams end, is it worth using over a 440 Sharkbait's fishhook with socket? dont know how much the effect is worth, 7% haste is alot, but weapon damage and socket and everything is alot too
sand egret
ilvl fam
fading leaf
Im 439ish
exotic spoke
Weapon and shields are Ilvl based. So you should use the fishhook
No, he’s saying go with the higher Ilvl
fading leaf
ah, ofc.. just having 7% free haste for the whole fight pretty much seems stronk
severe edge
sure if it was haste..
exotic spoke
It is very strong. But you should go with the higher ilvl
Weapon damage is used for attacks as well as things like IP. So you go for the higher Ilvl
fading leaf
Alright thanks guys
exotic spoke
So, until you get a warforged weapon from your m+ cache or a weapon from mythic raid you’re probably not replacing your fishhook
last mason
any of u guys actuallly use razor coral
sand egret
@fading leaf it's also "attack speed" not haste (so doesn't apply to SB cooldown, gcd cooldowns, etc.)
exotic spoke
I don’t have a razor coral but depending on the situation I could see myself using it (though I’d have to sim it)
last mason
also, 3rd op or azerite veins
honest frigate
3rd OP
exotic spoke
Op is OP
sick sentinel
Ugh, im being pulled back
I quit for two monthes and for some reason im getting an urge again
exotic spoke
No balls. You won’t play again
exotic spoke
Assuming you’re looking at it from the side of dps?
last mason
yea
exotic spoke
I’m going to say you’d have to sim it to get the best answer.
analog creek
Razor coral
exotic spoke
Since you’re concerned with the dps of it
analog creek
Almost certainly
exotic spoke
Agree, but I’d have to sim it to be 100% sure
sick sentinel
Wow, I can't believe looking for a damn addon on the twitch app has resulted in me just using their fucking website
WHAT AN AMAZING APP
last mason
also how many of you guys run lucid minor? is that a trap or legit
wooden radish
@ionic fern hey. i just did a motherload 11 with a "shield slam" build. did i discover some new shield slam meta build? thanks, i'll hang up and listen.
exotic spoke
I see what you did there
sand egret
That is one smart cat.
last mason
do you think i coul just macro razor coral to devastate and be fine?
fickle urchin
could you? Yes
be fine, depends what you mean by fine
you d basically never get the benefit of the crit stacking part of it
wooden radish
ima very very very very smart cat, ok
you know its true because i put 4 verys and an ok in the sentence
ionic fern
It depends...did you use Devastator and HR while stacking BfI? @wooden radish
Also no bully.
Tho i remember someone actually parsing with HR. 🤔
brittle owl
renal failure
ionic fern
:(
lusty grotto
oh that would explain things
exotic spoke
Too many carrots
ionic fern
And orange juice
lusty grotto
well im sorry i missed things, im preparing for another hurricane 😢
brittle owl
🤔
lusty grotto
yes it means i wont be able to run keys for 1 or 2 weeks cause power
lusty grotto
f u hurricane maria and f u storm dorian
lusty grotto
dorian is this wednesday
brittle owl
getting ghosted like that
lusty grotto
true
lusty grotto
yeah except she was a raging cat 4 bitch
lusty grotto
classic maria
sand egret
Marriiaaaaaa!
sand egret
wait are we bot singing West Side Story?
brittle owl
sounds rough though
lusty grotto
that's why i couldn't push s1
brittle owl
idk, WSS maria was a chill grill
lusty grotto
at all
lusty grotto
worse than void week to be sure
brittle owl
void week reminds me of my dad
lusty grotto
😮
exotic spoke
I’ll be happy when this week is over
brittle owl
better than tides week tbh
exotic spoke
Honestly had an easier time last week than this week
Maybe we’re just getting shit keys
lusty grotto
i mean there are some fucked up voids
like ToS for example
ToS should be an easy key
but voids make it
ugh
exotic spoke
Only bad one is top of the ramp after the first boss
lusty grotto
you can just death run it
exotic spoke
Otherwise you just commit to blow them up and use defensives on 2 / 3 if you need to
lusty grotto
you can death run all of them
but that also requires you to have BRs both available and up
lusty grotto
oh
yeah that one you have to do
but like the first shroud you can death run
you can death run bridge at the end
pugging this season is fucking retarded though
for some reason it seems absolutely harder than s2
like you expect pugs to deal with enchanteds, but they don't
so you have to spam heroic throw and taunt on it
you would think on a fort run people would chain cc tides, but they don't so you have to take mass aoes up the ass every time
did 2 KR runs with that tides on top of caster
ON BOTH RUNS even though i said spam cc
sand egret
Are you implying that an affix that requires more coordination than "AoE harder" is harder for pugs?
get the fuck out
exotic spoke
I don’t see a reason to death run the first one. You have shit spots to have a group recovery because of the patrols
lusty grotto
fucking people breaking cc
both runs, we died to mass bolt
and when i said we, its not me included because im not retarded and popped defensives
sand egret
just heal thru Shadowbolt Volley, yo
scarlet copper
Can anyone weigh in on Last Gift vs Callous Reprisal? Focused more on M+. Not sure how often Last Gift procs
scarlet copper
ok ty 🙂
analog swift
it's not just the emissaries
finding pugs with decent IO has been a MASSIVE pain in the ass this season
lusty grotto
even those with decent io
fail
like i had a shaman last night
didnt use ele at all when i told him to
sand egret
if the season is generally harder...than "decent io" is also harder to achieve
lusty grotto
i know its sanguine but fuck man
and then this fucking ele shaman DIDNT TARGET EXPLOSIVE TOTEM IN 3 WIPES
brittle owl
blade said it really well, this seasons is simply more than just aoe harder
lusty grotto
guy was around 1500 io
sand egret
we're quite literally seeing hte breakpoint between pug friendly and "hard" mechanics
stable hedge
Managed to time an 11 underrot with 47 deaths.. this season is weird
lusty grotto
and the reason i havent been doing non stop keys this season is simply because of the stupid pugs
like you hit 14s and people just become flat out retarded
lusty grotto
even in sub 10s with my mage
exotic spoke
Fuck this week
stable hedge
if it's there first 14 or so they will die to things they never knew existed
brittle owl
sub 10's are always a nightmare
sand egret
anecdotally all my 14s have been with solid dps
lusty grotto
i gotta reassemble Teamchip
brittle owl
and there is also the fact that
sand egret
there's a weird gulf
brittle owl
S2 had less overall players
sand egret
worst keys are definitely between 4-7
brittle owl
people that kept playing had a reason
brittle owl
so they at least were invested in the game more than the average player now
exotic spoke
I think it’s just this week personally.
Three mechanics that all limit positioning of players and mobs
lusty grotto
im worried about how keys will go after today
like i hope most retards go to classic
stable hedge
dude how fun is waycrest this week
stable hedge
if its not the affix its the camera lol
sand egret
cuz you have
- assholes in low keys who "did it on their main" and just fuck up cuz they pull random shit etc.
- people who don't care at all and just wanna get their 10 done / never do keys so mechanics cba'd
- people who know the affix and are doing a key to do a key
exotic spoke
Didn’t do WM this week. Done with pushes this week. We said fuck it and just blew up 13-15s to farm TFs
lusty grotto
i mean you would think people that are moving to classic are either super casual old schoolers, or people that never played it (because the hardcore vanilla people like me aren't gonna touch it unless you're paid to do so)
sand egret
honestly, WM was not bad this week
brittle owl
i can't wait for pre key banter all like "man imagine if classic had m+ no one would play retail lolololol"
sand egret
i felt it was pretty easy, all things considered. I hated ML and TD
but I did ML wrong
so that's on me
stable hedge
I'm a vanilla baby and have not and will not play classic
lusty grotto
yeah i mean WM isn't hard, just pull outside
stable hedge
should have left private servers alone
stable hedge
now community is splintered
lusty grotto
ML the problem is people body pulling like morons
brittle owl
yeah
sand egret
yeah it's deceptively cramped
exotic spoke
Fortified in there is aidssssssds
sand egret
there's just a bunch of shit you don't want in your pack
exotic spoke
Disagree - maybe then sure
stable hedge
I did a 12 ML with only 1m30 to spare, the big mistake was playing trash rather linear in the instance, in hindsight, i would play 50% trash in first room
brittle owl
fortified still sucks, since it limits your pulls
sand egret
so it's annoying to pull in imho
brittle owl
esp in pugs
stable hedge
the third part of dungeon was so cramped
brittle owl
cant pull more than 2-3 chargy bois otherwise the healer might get one shot
stable hedge
the blowtorches hurt a lot
lusty grotto
yeah well torches should beinterrupted
brittle owl
can't do more than 1-2 assassins since people wont stun at appropriate times
lusty grotto
and weapon testers stunned
sand egret
please, like I get CC
lusty grotto
if you dont do that you will have a bad bad time
exotic spoke
Lots of things that cast and can’t interrupt too
sand egret
anything else is a luxury
lusty grotto
you mean masterminds
but the real killer in fort week
are the little worms
holy fuck lmao fuck those
sand egret
man i miss having reflect for those masterminds
exotic spoke
Didn’t know it until early this week - but you can dwarf the masterminds energy lash off
sand egret
you can now
lusty grotto
🗞 🐻 gtfo blade
exotic spoke
Oh?! I didn’t know that. It’s very nice and helps out dwarf master race
sand egret
incidentally making it also subject to dorf
stable hedge
saw pally's freedoming the 'root' on fire boss in waycrest courtyard today
since when did roots stun and stop u using anything else 😛
stable hedge
yeah
lusty grotto
its technically not a root
brittle owl
it's a stun, like the sneks in TOS
sand egret
pretty sure it's a big root
lusty grotto
like 1st boss shrine and snakes in ToS
stable hedge
ok so entangling roots is not a stun. frost nova is not a stun. THAT ROOT is a stun
lusty grotto
except you cant cc it out
sand egret
no, it's definitely a big root that comes up out of the ground
brittle owl
you can freedom a lot of shit
stable hedge
LOL but it stuns u 😛
sand egret
clearly unplayable
stable hedge
it stops u from casting, ranging, melee'ing
brittle owl
*insert night of the living dead reference *
sand egret
a root is a stun but also a root is a root but a stun is not a root
lusty grotto
🗞
sand egret
damn you tree boss
brittle owl
if you precast it you can immune it i think
sand egret
pretty sure you can't if your'e stunned
lusty grotto
either way
stable hedge
game is broke
stable hedge
'night all
lusty grotto
btw
i was thinking about the OP in Sims thing
oh gn
during the weekend
let me tag people here @ionic fern @warm plinth @sick sentinel
so the thing is i suppose that you need to determine if its a tank, and then provide constant damage, which would make it eh for OTs because well tank swaps
warm plinth
How dare you ping me
It does provide constant damage but I think it was just not implemented to account for damage
OP that is
You take like 2k damage per second in sims iirc
For rage gen
lusty grotto
ok i see
warm plinth
But it seems like it’s just a pass/fail. Are you taking damage? Yes. Okay give rage
exotic spoke
Why won’t today end
sick sentinel
how good is aegis minor
for M+
VoP major, Aegis + lucid?
what's the more defensive options
lusty grotto
sphere is kinda better
haste
instead of versa from aegis/conflict
but i suppose if you want a heal on top aegis is ok
exotic spoke
I mean if you need more physical reduction I’d go sphere. If you need more magic I’d go aegis / CnS
An over simplification sure - but that’s my thoughts
exotic spoke
To a point sure but people are unlocking the third essence slot
Do they could take both
lusty grotto
yeah i know
sphere is basically the only haste minor
there's like 3 that offer versa
i mean to be honest, versa is still decent for physical damage as well
exotic spoke
True - again what I said was an over simplification as it also adds some dps.
lusty grotto
yup
i think vop and sphere are gonna be perma slotted
and then ill just alternate on the 3rd
well i guess it will vary
exotic spoke
I’ll be swapping between anima / CoF / VoP as a major and null / CnS / VoP / aegis / sphere as a minor
lusty grotto
i like null way too much
frail yew
Someone yet noticed that https://www.wowhead.com/spell=298156/desensitizing-sting can be outranged, my tankmate tried to reposition Orgoz. and somehow due to outranging I got restacked
ionic fern
I got pinged.
exotic spoke
I blame Lincoln
ionic fern
Same - always blame Lincoln.
Also.. @frail yew you mean one of the tanks out ranged it and the other one got the stack due to it? You got any logs/video?
chilly brook
analog creek
Orgazoa casts sting on CD on the highest threat target in range (melee range). If tank with threat is trying to move the boss other tank has to move as well or your stacks will be refreshed
Either move the boss with that timer in mind, or tank with stacks gets off the boss
ionic fern
sick sentinel
Pretty soon we'll be doing queens court so im wondering
analog creek
For queens court it depends on strat for what would be better
The tank on pashmar during zealous eruption/obey or suffer is really the only time that tank dmg taken is going to be a major factor
Urchin is probably the better option for overall dmg smoothing
Will you be soaking charges? What eruption are you tanking?
sick sentinel
We havent discussed this yet so i dont know
By soon i meant we'll kill org this week or next
tawny maple
me in Classic
junior ivy
hi
tawny maple
You're so cool Nim
exotic spoke
Hi catfriend
I just don’t see a point of doing classic again
I hope it succeeds though
exotic spoke
Again - I hope it is successful
wild atlas
It’s not for me. I was there in 04 and haven’t stopped since. So it’s all nostalgia for me, but nothing more. I’m hoping it’s wildly successful, and that it might help them shape future xpacs for retail. Maybe find some hidden gems of “wow people still love this”. 🤷🏼♂️ who knows
sand egret
I would not be surprised if we get some retro-influence from it
wild atlas
I just hope people don’t take the current systems for granted. As a father of twins, classic takes SOOOO long to do things lol.
sand egret
but yeah, different strokes. Personally, I wouldn't touch it if it weren't for the crew of people (around 40) that I know who are coming back for it
but I'm in it for how long it takes things, tbh
wild atlas
@sand egret totally agree. I’ve heard from friends that I haven’t talked to for years. That’s a big draw for me at least lol.
sand egret
I may hate it real fast, but I genuinely miss the dungeoning experience.
so doing it with friends is appealing to me. I'll prob quit shortly after 60 tbh
west kayak
I ran a +12 WCM last night with a pug group... I have found another source for pain. 😦
rapid tide
Did a temple 17 just now and I really really really don't want to go in there again...
Such an annoying week there :' )
exotic spoke
Such an annoying week*
Fixed that for you
west kayak
I got asked to run a +15 TD and refused. Sang+Quake+Narrow play area = Nope!
sand egret
TD is an absolute no-go for me
but WCM isn't too bad
just gotta live in TreeBoi's crib
lusty grotto
tos this week is only ruined by the voids
undone sun
@junior ivy hi
undone sun
hello
junior ivy
how are you
undone sun
alright, just got back from a weekend trip to the beach
great weather
but now im back at home with shitty weather
undone sun
fun
undone sun
nice, i've wanted to get one since i got my new phone
junior ivy
its fun tryin to make sure i get my steps in
i have my goal at 10k per day but i might make it 15'
im already at 9064 for today
undone sun
😮 nice
exotic spoke
Good for you! I’m on that getting in shape thing too
also, @lusty grotto I don’t think voids in tos where that bad
sand egret
Fitbit is a fucking fantastic invention imho. Gameifying exercise makes tons of sense and it's super effective for many people where traditional "motivation" doesn't stick
buoyant tide
Thoughts on worldvein vs conflict for 3rd slot? A couple other melee in my raid have wv
exotic spoke
I think it really depends on what you need / how many people have it
@sand egret predictions for highest queue we see tonight?
sick sentinel
any veiners in chat
exotic spoke
As in people who use worldvein?
sick sentinel
any loyalers in chat
sand egret
highest queue as in wait time for classic, @exotic spoke ?
wouldn't be surprised to see an hour +
exotic spoke
Like price is right rules
And yeah highest queue in classic
Number of people or time
sand egret
ooo time is tricky
people is prob better
unless its estimated time
then mebbe
either way i'm not touching that until the weekend. I have no desire to play Tag The Boar for hours in flooded starting zones.
exotic spoke
I just wanted to play a game with that.
Forums are going to be a shit show
Holy shit - someone said already 25,000 person queue
lusty grotto
🤷
sand egret
yeeep, people starting to get home from work on the east coast....
raven ore
Quick reminder the spec channels, #arms, #fury and #protection are for retail WoW. Any spec discussion for classic go to #vanilla-discussion. A link to the classic warrior discord is pinned in the channel as well.
boreal summit
ay shield cucks what race yall like?
pliant sage
I've asked this question in the general channel but I may get a response here: are there any racials on the Horde that improve a Prot Warriors ability to tank or are quality of life racials that I should be paying attention to?
pliant sage
Is that a personal bias or is there something wrong with Nightbourne?
exotic spoke
@umbral forge how do you feel about nightborne warriors and what do people think about your choices
In summary buttons, horde side it’s not a huge thing. Even alliance the racials are situational
pliant sage
Oh I know that racials don't make a huge impact in the overview. I was more asking about utility things like the extra slow that Nightbourne get etc
exotic spoke
What’s the slow from nightborne - likes % wise
umbral forge
@pliant sage Nightborne is objectively the best race for warriors on Horde
undone sun
👀
exotic spoke
He’s lying.
Don’t listen to him. He gets so much shit for it - and he doesn’t even really play prot any more
umbral forge
It's still objectively the superior choice.
umbral forge
50%
umbral forge
You play them for appearance and combat animations you dip.
They're the only race on Horde transmog looks good at for prot warriors.
umbral forge
I concur.
exotic spoke
❤
warm plinth
He doesn’t even play Nightborne anymore
near ivy
"ability" to tank, nah not really, if so they are so minor that it literally does not matter and you should go for appearance
utility is the same for every class basically
umbral forge
Every race on Alliance is a better option.
Only reason Nightborne is the best Horde option is that its a reskinned Alliance race.
near ivy
AT for purge, war stomp for stun etc
exotic spoke
As long as it’s not nighborne. Too frail to be a good sturdy tank
near ivy
for Ally, i imagine dwarf is the best option because they can get rid of a bleed
warm plinth
Nightborne come with built-in osteoporosis. That’s why they need the slow.
exotic spoke
Lots of solid options alliance side each with ups and downs. Still pick what looks cool
near ivy
or nelf for shadowmeld in m+ but now we are getting into really niche specific things
so pick for appearance
warm plinth
And if you’re picking for appearance, you’re not playing nelf
near ivy
aint playing dwarf either
umbral forge
Yes you are. Nelf uber alles
warm plinth
Wat
umbral forge
Though
warm plinth
Dwarf are sexy af
umbral forge
Male LFD warrior
exotic spoke
umbral forge
That's my choice.
exotic spoke
Original space goat is cool - though I’m still DID
I should set up my bank alts transmog. I wonder how triggered people will be seeing that toon in dreadnaught
umbral forge
DiD is great!
God alliance has so many good options.
Disregard velves you have superior warriors.
Human
Dwarf
Nelf
Gnome
Draenei
Worgen
LFD
DiD
KT.
pliant sage
I'm more interested in weapon scaling and animations. I just wanted to be sure there wasn't a strictly better choice.
undone sun
everything is modeled on a human, so anything bigger or arms lower to the ground will clip
sick sentinel
All wrong
pliant sage
Right now I'm deciding between male Orc/Mag'har and female Tauren. I like the stam and stomp for some control. The orcs are just beefy boiz
pliant sage
I got a male Pandaren to 65ish. The weapons being all tiny bugs me
round vortex
The mount speed and stat racial for mag orcs has me won. Played Tauren for 10 yrs and mag orc is delicious
pliant sage
I like having comicly large weapons. It's why female Tauren is in the running
ebon geyser
what zandalari buff should i be taking? bobsandi?
exotic spoke
YYou can have multiple dots?
exotic spoke
I meant from the active
sand egret
watch the tooltip: i go from 3k ticks to 6k, from the active
throwing them back to back
exotic spoke
testing it
exotic spoke
I got from 3.5ish to 7.2ish to 11ish
undone sun
show log
ebon geyser
@undone sun plz advice, what buff for zanda troll tank, bobsandi?
undone sun
afaik most common picks are paku/bobs/kimbul
sand egret
poop, gotta wait on the cd one sec
undone sun
😑
undone sun
sure
kind rapids
do you think that pulling a void before the 1st boss room in siege with the pack and the 2 mob patrol is a good idea?
lusty grotto
2 mob patrol?
before the 1st boss?
there's a 2 mob patrol?
or are you talking about alliance side
also any of you guys have an alt with a low key that could use a tank? im game for some low keys
ebon geyser
Thyme is that bobsandi buff worth it? do you know if it pops decently
undone sun
fine for being a racial, doubt it'll be impactful
kind rapids
yeah I'm talking about alliance side
sullen valve
YEET
sullen valve
yeet
ebon geyser
im considering going maghar
lusty grotto
its because horde racials are pretty much non-substantial
so pretty much go whatever
undone sun
yup
ebon geyser
i liked my troll but idk is not making me happy lol
sullen valve
yEeT
outer dew
sacred roost
there's no way to sim for tank stats, right?
round vortex
@undone sun How many times do you think you have answered a question with "Defensively xxxxx, Offensively yyyyy" over the years in this discord?
I remmeber your stormforged days lol
leaden carbon
how are your Qs guys
spice ferry
wrong channel, but 4k atm
undone sun
is that the deathwish 👀 @leaden carbon
leaden carbon
el deathwish indeed
Yeah, srry I just saw the pinned message
4k atm too
I am a little mad about it tho. I like it here, why there is no #classic-protection
leaden carbon
Long time indeed
exotic spoke
anyone have a table of AP in M+ cache based on level
spice ferry
i think wowhead might?
spice ferry
just log into their account 😉
exotic spoke
I mean on reset tomorrow
onyx vessel
Im only at 63
sick sentinel
i grinded to 65 this week with some islands
and what i mean by some i mean over 100
but if i actualy didnt slack from start and did dailies like 20-30 mins i would be like 66 already
modern light
I’m at 63 and I’m more of a returning player since the 3 free days were given out
It’s ridiculously easy
Been at it for at least 6 weeks now
sullen valve
Y E E T
ionic fern
7th..or 8th.
sudden kayak
ionic fern
quick yarrow
What is the reason Nerftank took Gnome in MDI ?
undone sun
dunno, ask him
sick sentinel
he probably likes gnome
dont they get 5 more rage cap and 1% haste
Ya
And uhm
Escape artist
didnt bring it up cus it didn't feel relevant tbh
Ya that's why I brought it up in that way 🤣
:p
gusty lion
Is farming pearls even worth doing if the benthic gear is bad for prot
rapid tide
If you only ever intend to play Prot then nah.
You won't wear Benthic on Prot.
If you want to play Fury or have another char that does DPS then it's worth it for that I guess.
But if you have limited playtime I would definitely do other things instead 😄
ionic fern
You can wear Benthic on prot for purely DPS purposes in the raid.
Certain pieces will still outperform higher ilvl items.
gusty lion
interesting
mint adder
Benthic is really good for dps parsing
gusty lion
cool, any tips you can provide, i just started tanking this week, hoping to get geared up asap and start EP with it https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/Ofcrobocok
i nee to just spam m+ with full plate lol
ionic fern
There are not many tips to be provided via looking at ones armory.
Just equip your highest item level gear and you'll be fine.
Only thing that stands out is that you're using Naga Hide - i'd suggest you to use either Quick Navigation or Force Multiplier as they are more valuable for us.
gusty lion
are there logs for M+?
only ever used Raid logs on my priest and druid
oh ya apparently there are on the site heh
weird never noticed em
ionic fern
Yes there are - you just gotta log it. : )
onyx vessel
Spamming m+ in full plate groups sounds horrible
onyx vessel
Based on affixes maybe
brittle owl
1 tank + 4 hpalas hidden low key speedrun meta
marble cipher
quaking with full plate (melee) group, sounds lovely 😄
onyx vessel
yeah no way i already got hit atleast 20 times by the rogue in my guild zzz
mental scarab
😂
ionic fern
Hi
autumn pendant
👏 
👏
ionic fern
Thanks. : )
warm flint
Hey, newbie prot war here. I have tanked stuff between 10-14 with VDH/BrM (i main dps), but im finding difficulties with warrior (im 403 ilvl so im sure that plays a large role as well). Did a 9 yesterday and im finding difficulties getting aggro. I charge > demo shout > and here's my main question: if i clap, i get aggro but i get blasted to 20% hp by the time i press ShieldBlock. If i SB 1st, i have a hard time getting aggro back and i takes like 2 3 secs and a taunt to get everything in check
My main issue is dipping too low by the time i get enough rage to mitigate
Im mainly talking about packs when i dont have Avatar up
tacit smelt
403 is doable for a 9, and so I expect you to take some massive damage, what's your azerite looking like because for now you may have to focus on defensive traits until your hp pool is larger
ionic fern
You can always use Last Stand (with Bolster) or Shield Wall before going in.
Or you can Charge->TC->Shockwave->Demo->SB.
warm flint
Im not logged in rn but i think i have 1 Deafening Crash, 1 Iron fortress, 1 Bastion of might and rest i forgot
Bloodsport and brace for impact irrc
iirc*
Y i use LS w/ Bolster as soon as i dip too low
And SW on pulls i know are gonna hurt
ionic fern
That's the wrong way to use it tho.
warm flint
I.e skelettons after 2nd UR boss
ionic fern
LS/Bolster should be used BEFORE you take damage.
warm flint
Dully noted
ionic fern
Remember that warrior is all about actively mitigating the damage. We don't have tools to recover from damage taken like VDH with SP for example.
All our CD's are ment to be used to mitigate damage rather than recover from it.
floral sphinx
Also make sure your use rage on IP and SB and not revenge
Going into each pull you should have enough rage to pop SB while charging since charge is not in the GCD
stoic pilot
Just be careful what mob you charge in some of those packs
Sounds like silly advice but I can’t count the times I’ve charged into a pack and gotten meleed from behind because of wonky AI response
floral sphinx
Also make sure your talented into anger management to help reduced the CD of LS and SW
Yea on that note you wanna use more SB on melee adds and IP more on casting adds
warm flint
"Going into each pull you should have enough rage to pop SB while charging since charge is not in the GCD"
that's the thing
i don't have the gear to chain pull
and i often don't have enough rage to SB before charging in
floral sphinx
^
Gear is not truly the problem...warrior have been pulling like this before 403ilvl you just got to get the understanding of prot better that’s all...and it will come with time
It’s not the same as VDH and BrM
Which their mitigation is not affect by there recourse bar
stoic pilot
Well to be fair, if he’s 403 ilvl doing a +9 on a fortified quaking week he’s going to be getting chunked
So chain pulling probably is a bit rough
floral sphinx
That is true I apologize
oblique garnet
With Avatar + charge you will have enough rage for sb going into a pack
stoic pilot
But yeah, make sure you nail down basics. last stand isn’t a cool down it’s essentially a rotational button
Yeah he’s talking about packs without avatar. But realistically with vision essence it seems rare to not have avatar up to start a pull
floral sphinx
I may not have vision essence
Which at 403 you should be fine getting it but it won’t be cake work lol
He* not I lol
tacit smelt
Bots clap cheeks hard at your low ilvl too
floral sphinx
I guess another thing is make sure your talents are right for m+
tacit smelt
As long as he makes it inside the second half of the dungeon he's got a fighting chance given the group is all hard carries
autumn pendant
M+ talents dont really differ from general talent setup
floral sphinx
Helps with add control if you got shockwave CD reduce and max dmg you can with avatars
It doesn’t but idk he’s setup
autumn pendant
If he went through guide shouldnt be much different! But i dunno either :(
stoic pilot
I really like running stormbolt this season over shockwave reduce
Solely for being able to provide a decent stun on tides before they die so they insta port out
floral sphinx
Well I’m purely speaking for the guy who was having trouble keeping aggro and staying alive lol
Which I don’t even know who that was anymore
floral sphinx
But to whoever this may concern my recommendation would be (which I’m no expert) is for packs you don’t have avatar for is to charge in thunder clap-shockwave-shield slam- thunder clap and tap target to get melee aggro too....and clearly fit SB in there cause you will have enough rage by then
Go more towards crit for dodge which will proc revenge which means more AoE
And keep BoM in your traits but aim for 2x or 3x
mystic pilot
do you guys prefer to main tank or off-tank za'qul
floral sphinx
I myself off tanked simply cause I was the shot caller but either or doesn’t matter I think...but I found out that having a monk as main tank hits spikes you randomly due to their stagger...or it was just me idk
lusty grotto
you should always main tank za'qul
you take less damage
therefore the OT takes less damage
mystic pilot
yeah i'm never letting myself get forced into that again
lusty grotto
also for agro purposes
as per the above discussion
if you do not have avatar up
demo first then clap (and maybe revenge after)
BV demo provides more damage therefore more agro
even without avatar up
you can then slam low agro targets, as per your nameplate agro indicators or whatever (or omen), if you still have issues
but again with proper rage usage and vop minor you should have on average 39 seconds of cd on avatar
and even less on demo
(also heroic leap resets taunt cd)
sick sentinel
just taunt more 4head
floral sphinx
Just do more damage
sick sentinel
very hard agree
eventually tanks will be like healers
monks will have battle shout and the highest DPS
you could bring a warrior but why would you
this is the future
this is the year 20xx
marble cipher
(also heroic leap resets taunt cd)
I actually just learned that last week, and I've been tanking keys since S1 /facepalm
floral sphinx
Ouch
marble cipher
Was watching some MDI runs and heard the commentator saying "yeah, he lept to reset his taunt", and I was like !!!!! mind ....... blown!!!!!
(not my proudest moment)
exotic spoke
Shit happens to the best of us
Good luck on your chests of disappointment today / tomorrow
sand egret
Every time someone figures out Heroic Leap resets Taunt post facto, a tooltip writer sheds a lone tear somewhere.
exotic spoke
Isn’t it buried in the end of the tooltip? Also - when was it added in legion or in bfa? I can’t remember
marble cipher
Hahaha,
"Sorry mister tooltip writer!
It's your friends, the bad tooltip writers, that made it so I don't actually read them anymore cause 90% of them are wrong"
sand egret
Yeah, you're not wrong
warm plinth
Yeah it was added in BfA iirc (to the tooltip)
sand egret
Pretty sure it was in legion
warm plinth
I doubt people read tooltips much though, especially when they have been playing a class/spec for a long time.
exotic spoke
Yeah, I didn’t know about it at first. Mainly because it didn’t do it last time I played and I just went with the assumption it was the same
sand egret
Yeah, I can't blame you, especially cuz it's a Prot-only thing too
junior ivy
so is everyone playin classic or what?
ionic fern
Thanks. : )
junior ivy
now we just need thyme to be yellow
exotic spoke
I’ll dabble in classic but nothing serious
weary thorn
ayyyy what begoogling witch will be most prominent this week?
tyr/bolstering/explosive looks like the affixes unless mythicpl.us lying to me
exotic spoke
I think it’s tides. I think we had enchanted before void
oblique garnet
its tides week
exotic spoke
It is correct. Someone has verified in another disc
weary thorn
ok, thanks
brittle owl
guess who's just doing 1 key this week
brittle owl
tides + bolst+ explosive = pugging nightmare
exotic spoke
Touché
onyx vessel
does the beguiled minions apply bolster?
exotic spoke
I’m like 99% sure they don’t
onyx vessel
figured
sand egret
that's a negative, Ghost Rider
onyx vessel
would be horrible
steep bone
how good are highborne compedium trinkets for m+?
exotic spoke
Last week was bad, IMO, because there affixes restricting movement
steep bone
i just reached 120 and thinking if it's good idea to buy them or just pure waste of gold
scarlet copper
Thought on Filthy Transfusion? Does this work as an AOE, or is it specific to only the target it procced off of
lusty grotto
they are decent for ilvl and they should be cheap enough (check prices first though)
filthy transfusion is crap
take anything else but it
scarlet copper
ty ty 🙂
steep bone
Yeah, they are 5k each so cheap
exotic spoke
I’m a sad Riki
west kayak
I have enough TR to gamble for my first piece of 445 AZ gear. I have the 430 helm from Radiance, 430 Ashvane chest and 430 shoulders from Court. Which one should I pick? 🙂
exotic spoke
Shoulders are safest
lusty grotto
gz
exotic spoke
Non 
chip!
tawny maple
Does anyone here 6 heal the first boss in Mythic EP?
exotic spoke
If you’re dps is very high you can. However chances are - you have several mechanical failures that need to be addressed. You have a 6 minute enrage timer. And then she starts one shotting people
lusty grotto
well that's true, but we have to assume if they are doing Sivara, their dps isn't that geared
exotic spoke
Our first kill was 5 healed and that hit enrage timer
lusty grotto
yeah
exotic spoke
So, I would say it’s doubtful that you could 6 heal it
mystic whale
im about to start progress on mythic ashvane today. What kind of buttcream should I be bringing ?
old zephyr
Lots of it
exotic spoke
She doesn’t hurt much.
I assume you’re doing three tank / three phase @mystic whale
tawny maple
Yeah...just making sure Im not crazy. Bringing extra healers is usually the result of people not doing the fight right so thats what Im trying to get across to my guild
exotic spoke
Do you have logs?
mystic whale
yeah we have a bear tank that will soak and die
not me
also, we 6 heal commander too. The DPS requirement isnt that tight if your tanks brings good deeps and the extra healer does wonders with the ton of damage
even if you dodge everything there's a lot of passive magic damage happening
lusty grotto
6 healing sounds like putting out fires
but hey whatever works
i honestly feel like if people can't do the fight right they shouldn't be doing mythic
tawny maple
Nah, we havent done it just a discussion was brought to life because people want to venture into mythic which led to reasons why we cant and 6 healing the first boss was one of them
mystic whale
start with 6 then
lusty grotto
like i know sometimes there's no choice
mystic whale
you'll actually beat it
exotic spoke
Astro who is your other tank. You a bear and ?
tawny maple
Basically I wasnt even arguing about whether we do mythic or not I just know that you dont need 6 healers
mystic whale
then the next times try to not fuck up as much and reduce healers when you get there
lusty grotto
nah i was just saying generally
exotic spoke
I wonder what their raid dps is
mystic whale
prot war/brewski monk and then 3rd tank bear to get bubbles
lusty grotto
when i raid lead i was like that
exotic spoke
Fair
lusty grotto
or when i used to lead
if i was in a mythic fight and the fight wasn't doable without extra heals simply because people can't dodge shit or reset stacks, i would ask every single person that fucked up if they understood what they did wrong, but i wouldn't try to put bandaids on player error because sooner or later it would show up again
exotic spoke
@tawny maple do you have any logs / pulls on her?
lusty grotto
he said he was just starting
exotic spoke
Oh I missed that.
Sorry! Then yeah I’d start with 5 heals
mystic whale
(but if you actually want the kill try 6)
tawny maple
No we are just talking about it because we have good players that wanna do mythic, and bad players who cant do heroic
lusty grotto
^
tawny maple
And that was just one of the reasons why we "couldnt" do it is because the fight NEEDS 6 healers.....basically Im just an asshole who doesnt like that bad mentality
lusty grotto
i mean if you really wanna kill it why not pug it lmao
mystic whale
sure but if you waste your evening not being able to beat it because you absolutely want the badge of honor of doing it with 5
i dont think its worth it
exotic spoke
You will be three healing later fights with mechanics.
mystic whale
different strats for different people
exotic spoke
I never said they have to stay at 5. I said they should start at 5
lusty grotto
at least in pugs you can swap out retards
mystic whale
oh sure yeah, try with 5
lusty grotto
in guilds you have to stick with them
mystic whale
if it works, cool, its absolutely doable
exotic spoke
Get a baseline and you can tweak after 10-15 pulls if healing isn’t good enough
But, if healing isn’t good enough people are drastically fucking up and not clearing properly
Our first kill had raid dps of 390k
That’s for ankill at 6:02 into the fight
390,651.8 to be exact
lusty grotto
im just wondering how you have the dps to 6 heal it, and yet you need to 6 heal it
like what are they dpsing on puddles and shit?
exotic spoke
A few people died early on ours too - but that’s the overall effect.
lusty grotto
yeah but you get what im saying right
his group 6 heals it, so it has the dps
yet it has to 6 heal it
the question is why
does the dps need to be baby-sat or something
tawny maple
Yeah I dont understand Im working under the assumption that everyone can do their job
exotic spoke
I think it’s a concern for the officers because they haven’t done it yet.
One of the things we discovered is that the “healing issue” was caused by multiple people clearing stacks at the same time and making it unhealabke
tawny maple
So if everyone does their job why do you need an extra healer?
exotic spoke
So it wasn’t that we didn’t have enough healing - it’s that we weren’t spreading the damage around enough
exotic spoke
We had a raid HPS of 319k on our first kill
lusty grotto
well its obviously easier to dps and not think about coordination
but yeah
i mean to be fair, resetting should be something players know from the heroic version
steep bone
According to icy-veins, should I use just benthic head or there are other good pieces?
exotic spoke
Eh, we just kinda blew through it on heroic and didn’t worry about mechanics...
lusty grotto
there are specific fights were your ST might help out like mythic ashvane so some bracers might help or whatever
lusty grotto
but honestly if you're not pushing mythic
or trying to parse top 10
don't worry about benthic at all
exotic spoke
The answer is going to be “it depends Vivv”
It depends on the fight. It depends on your raid. It depends on your gear. Etc
exotic spoke
No - I’m a panda hugging my rock
exotic spoke
But, regarding the benthic head - I don’t remember what it has
lusty grotto
🗞 🐻
exotic spoke
<——— see
lusty grotto
youre gonna spend a shitton of pearls for it
for something you can get out of a drop or residuum
brisk ferry
I already have, but that guy might lol
steep bone
Well im not planning to raid on this warrior, just m+ so grinding for that head is good thing to do right?
steep bone
gonna take couple of weeks till i get residuum, i just reached 120h like an hour ago, and im trying to find most optimal way to get some gear early on
exotic spoke
If you have nothing else to spend pearls on then sure
lusty grotto
furthermore, non-azerite benthic does nothing for you in keys
exotic spoke
A 425 with a socket is still pretty nice until you get 430+
brisk ferry
keys are pretty easy even at a low'ish ilvl, that can fill every spot except azerite
I'd say just get the helmet
brisk ferry
yeh I did it on my warrior, I think it took maybe 5-6 days of very casual farming?
exotic spoke
If he has the pearls why wouldn’t he?
lusty grotto
it costs 190 pearls for non-azerite to 425
exotic spoke
Since it’s easier to replace 425 sockets for mythic plus than a 430 helmet
lusty grotto
azerite pieces don't have sockets
exotic spoke
I know - I never said it did
I said it’s easier to replace a 425 with a socket from m+ than it is to replace a 430 azerite piece
brisk ferry
use your pearls on what you want, but the logical thing to do is boost the benthic helmet, and use your weekly residuum on the other 2 pieces
lusty grotto
oh gotcha
exotic spoke
I agree with bro on this one
It’ll help save you some TR which is far more valuable
brisk ferry
right
lusty grotto
i guess if he has 400 pearls
brisk ferry
and even just spamming 10s is really easy to fill your gear slots to 430
lusty grotto
gonna be a long grind if he doesnt :p
exotic spoke
Ducking 5 more weeks or so until I get my chest
lusty grotto
and i know because im grinding them out on mage and rogue now
and farming pearls on 4 characters total for pieces for my rogue
exotic spoke
I found your problem nim - you play alts 😛
steep bone
Im doing about 7-10 m+ a day so should be easy :p
exotic spoke
I don’t have a problem farming pearls for my Alts if I don’t play alts
lusty grotto
i mean how do you want me to farm benthic with sockets without alts
if i did it on 1 char it would be slow as all fuck
hasty nova
what are the affixes for this week?
lusty grotto
should be tyrannical bolstering
exotic spoke
I’m saying I don’t have to farm pearls for my alts because I only play Riki
lusty grotto
and...
brisk ferry
I'm really surprised at how anti-alt this patch is
hasty nova
bolstering explosive
brisk ferry
^
exotic spoke
Seems like a push week
hasty nova
alrighty I wonder how much of a push week it will be
brisk ferry
yeah seems like an easy week, just keep explosives in check
hasty nova
on tyranicall big pull on adds are nice. but on bolserting big pulls hard
lusty grotto
bolstering explosive yeah
hasty nova
and on explosive big pulls hard
exotic spoke
Can do two packs easily and insta pull next pack
hasty nova
but, small quick pulls should be super ez
brisk ferry
bolstering is fine
hasty nova
yeah small quick pulls riki
brisk ferry
oh its tyrannical too rofl, very easy
hasty nova
well every week is hard when the key is high enough 🙂
hasty nova
Yeah i basically only pug, i need a 15 KR and 15 mother load to finish achivement
then i just need to push the others as far as possible
brisk ferry
nice that's pretty good for only pugging
hasty nova
I honestly think all 15s can be timed with any comp and all pugs. especially now gear is a lot better across the board.
obviously better comps make it easier.
brisk ferry
yeah you can basically brute force your way pretty high with the gear people have now
hasty nova
but i think warlocks, marks hunters are all doable with "good" players and "good" gear.
but once u get to 17, 18s comps are super important, and gear is mandatory.
on the bright side when u get to 19s most any "pugs" that are applying are the spec/comp you want. -- or someone who is 1200 io and obviously isn't even considered.
analog swift
yeah lowerlevel it's a bit harder to get the "ideal comp" because all of those resto druids and rogues have gotten into any gruop they want and are way past you in io
also wait are people meming about this being a push week?
can't do big pulls do to explosive
can't chain due to bolstering
exotic spoke
No I’m being serious theseus. This seems easier than last two weeks
Pull two packs and burn equally. Insta pull next pack once dead