#protection
lusty grotto
chip in his prime element
lusty grotto
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exotic spoke
weary thorn
cant spell reflect the truth riki!
lusty grotto
the clap is strong with this one
exotic spoke
Itās words. Words mean itās a spell. You directed it so itās reflectable
lusty grotto
way to ruin our warrior ability movie line thing
smh riki
it was both prot-related and OT-related
the perfect combination
unbannable
weary thorn
mhm
lusty grotto
it would ultimately devolve itself into "how can we fit any version of bootyclap into a movie line", but damn it it was stopped before it was born!
weary thorn
prott topic sounds like a place you go to shop for wallets with chains on them
lusty grotto
we're gonna need a bigger clap
exotic spoke
With axes on the chains *
exotic spoke
I uh/:.. um.... bai
lusty grotto
get up and "shield" slam
weary thorn
welcome to the jam
weary thorn
dont be ashamed of yourself, we can be ashamed of you
exotic spoke
James Cameronās 
weary thorn
ooooooo shiiii
lusty grotto
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my mind has been absolutely melted by that one
you win #protection for now riki, don't ruin it
exotic spoke
Like thatās an easy one
lusty grotto
you shut up and take your prize
exotic spoke
Iām sorry - thatās not the stakes. Thatās the rules. Also youāre changing the rules
You originally just said no healers
But if I do it what do I get?
sand egret
a pal
sand egret
do it to it
exotic spoke
4 prot paladins and a prot Riki. Two - three lay on hands to begin with in first heal phase and one - two more after that.
Throw in space goat heals
lusty grotto
why were you a sad panda tho riki
exotic spoke
Zero wipes zero deaths in Hm mechagon. 1 wipe on king and then dead next pull
So close to rank 4
And weāve one shot him before. Just had a stupid death earlier in the run. Sooooo closeeeeee
Also, Iām a hard carry
lusty grotto
:[
pine slate
what essences you guys running for progression>?
slash talents. I am usually a M+ tank
exotic spoke
CoF and Nullification tank 3.
Note this is solely for damage on ashvane.
Probably the same build as you are
Well, Iām running devastator - again purely for damage on ashvane. But otherwise Iād run BV
warm plinth
We had a zero death run up to KUJO. Wiped once on him and like 7 times on Mecha (had done neither before that so we had some growing pains)
Shouldn't be too difficult to do deathless with some practice
exotic spoke
I take safeguard in both m+ and raid
Iāve found it was extremely useful for my groups composition in high keys to be able to give the other members an external Cd (effectively) every 15 seconds
Especially in UR, Freehold, KR, ML, etc
If it wasnāt ashvane progression id likely have the same build in m+ and in raid in all honesty
ITF, safeguard, UF, bolster, rumbling earth; BV, AM.
Iām just lazy about swapping around RE and I like the reduced CD
exotic spoke
ML 17/18 on Tuesday. Doing more post raid tonight and more Sunday
terse dragon
Which trinkets are you using?
I'm using 430 rezan and 430 urchin, have you tried the edict?
exotic spoke
I ran urchin / gore. I donāt have a lot of options
I wish I had edicts: I would have used that in ML
Shit hurts š¦
terse dragon
Yeah I don't have an edict, you think that would make you way tankier for this week?
exotic spoke
Depending on the dungeon yeah. Iād use it
ML Iād use it for sure
terse dragon
Seems like its good for quake and just trash in general
warm plinth
Good for Rixxa
exotic spoke
Quakes were hitting me for ~100k I think
Fuck that bitch
Who the fuck plays goblin anyway
terse dragon
Yah same
terse dragon
Riki how much does your Ip heal for
exotic spoke
Maybe Iāll get my horde warrior leveled up soon
terse dragon
Or mitigate*
exotic spoke
65k from the logs we had in Ml
Also - thatās the joke Ghash
Honestly - had the wrong essences too.
warm plinth
MoP TW in a couple weeks
exotic spoke
Will be changing them up from fun to āahh shit I need to actually liveā
warm plinth
My mag'har will probably be high enough by then
exotic spoke
VoP / Aegis and next week hope fully Iāll add in CnS if i need it
warm plinth
I wish they'd make Legion legendaries like 25g each at the vendor
So I can have them for my new alts
exotic spoke
Oh I should pull mine out from void storage probably
terse dragon
You lucid minor would be good?
warm plinth
Is Void Storage specific to character?
terse dragon
I don't have rank 3 aegis
exotic spoke
I think the vers would be better for weeks like this
warm plinth
Would be cool to xfer legendaries like that lol
exotic spoke
Magic damage was the issue
Well that and voids hitting / killing me through what I thought where walls
exotic spoke
Hopefully non ML dungeons will be better.
warm plinth
What are walls in ML: Houses or houselike structures
What aren't walls in ML: Walls
exotic spoke
Happened to me in a TD boost too. I LoSed around something and well died
terse dragon
Riki when do you use wall?
exotic spoke
On what fight / boss?
lusty grotto
did you see my TD run yet ghash
terse dragon
In general for keys
lusty grotto
was i exagerating on the wall pulls
i swear to god someone was aiming their stupid fucking essence to the walls
at some point a mob went down 3 floors
this was ON EVERY PULL
i shit you not
terse dragon
I am not sure when to wall sometimes
exotic spoke
Hard to give a specific answer - in general when I know Iāll have prolonged down time of shield block, high magic damage, or if planning a large pull them towards the beginning as weāre getting situated
warm plinth
No, I haven't yet. I'm gonna have to watch it tonight so I don't lose it
lusty grotto
like you ocasionally see the noclipping occur but not at the number of times of that run
terse dragon
Yeah that sounds right
warm plinth
Yeah we had a TD where we had random pulls from somewhere like 3 times
exotic spoke
Itās all about predicting the damage imo. I can definitely be better. Iām going to start controlling the external from my healer because we noticed Iād say Iām walling and heād give me the external at the same time pretty frequently
warm plinth
I would use it like...first pull of FH
exotic spoke
Pretty much MSV.
lusty grotto
i use wall a lot
exotic spoke
Should use it a lot. Probably more than I use it
exotic spoke
Itās a short CD and powerful CD. Thatās our strengths.
warm plinth
I use it when I'm about to get fucked up but that's not something that happens a lot on +9-11
exotic spoke
Three pack pull?
terse dragon
Yeah
lusty grotto
well you can pull more ghash!
warm plinth
You don't have to aggro the void there
exotic spoke
Are you killing the void before second cast?
warm plinth
That sounds scary af lol
terse dragon
Yeah we lust it
lusty grotto
i mean you can just pull the sides, you don't agro the void
exotic spoke
You donāt have to ghash but itās an easy LOS behind the stairs
warm plinth
But hey if you can do it all at once, take those big balls in there and do it
lusty grotto
why pull everything on top of the void with parrot poop going around for that LoS
exotic spoke
Then yeah I think itās fine. If you couldnāt Iād use it for second
warm plinth
The most annoying part about that pull is that one fucking crackshot
Or w/e the ranged one is
terse dragon
Can those poisons be reflected?
lusty grotto
no
warm plinth
Don't think so
terse dragon
Damn
warm plinth
They happen rarely enough that healer should be able to insta-dispel though
I can dispel them all on my pally without delay
Assuming they're synced anyway
exotic spoke
Nim, itās more that the mobs arenāt ontop of the void but close for cleave. At least thatās how Iād do it so the spriest can multi dot and everyone can fucking meme beam it
warm plinth
ngl I wish backhand was more visible, especially when you do the 3-pull
terse dragon
Wait so in the first pull of Fh you can tag the mobs on the side of the void and the void won't agro?
warm plinth
But I usually play it safe and just stack on the tank when the message shows up
lusty grotto
yes msv
warm plinth
Correct
warm plinth
You just have to make sure you're far enough to the side so they don't run closer to the void on their way to you
terse dragon
What if you HT?
warm plinth
That's how I pull it
lusty grotto
just make sure they don't run on top of her
warm plinth
Ht
exotic spoke
It makes a three pull harder though
warm plinth
Yeah it's more awkward
exotic spoke
Can do two packs and then 1 pack + void or you can three pack
warm plinth
Because you have to go to the far right side to pull the back pack
exotic spoke
If you can handle that pack just three pack pull imo
terse dragon
Yah the 3 pack with void I think just requires good cd usage and being good with mitigation
exotic spoke
But Iām with Fume this season after doing more keys the past week or two.
Going pretty much full tank so I can pull bigger
warm plinth
Yeah like this is an approximation, but you heroic throw/taunt the one the arrow is pointing to from that area
The scribble is approximately where the void is
exotic spoke
Canāt overlap the ccs a lot - have to chain them.
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter which one you hit as long as you're over there
exotic spoke
Howād the rest of the key go?
terse dragon
We scuffed the 2nd void
terse dragon
To the right after the bridge
exotic spoke
Lin general i mean Msv. Feel doable?
terse dragon
Quaking and void timer went off
warm plinth
How'd you scuff that one?
exotic spoke
Oof.
warm plinth
Gross
terse dragon
It's doable
exotic spoke
Thatāll do it
terse dragon
100% doable
exotic spoke
What comp do you run?
exotic spoke
Also - Wu-Tang is for the children
Rest In Peace ODB
terse dragon
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exotic spoke
mage. Interesting. Frost or fire?
terse dragon
Fire
Yeah we're just stuck this week
I want to be tankier but I'm not sure what to do
exotic spoke
Last season we started with frost / spriest / HDH / rdruid / prot
Mage wasnāt having fun and didnāt like his class (playing it since legion) so he started to gear up and later swapped to rogue for the back 1/3 of the season
Now we run spriest rogue hdh rdruid prot war
What essences are you running?
terse dragon
I have a bad habit of using shield blocks during ls sometimes when ls has like 3-5 seconds left
Vision and aegis I was trying this week
exotic spoke
Rdruid / hpal are similar and both good. Spriest brings a lot of utility.
Otherwise similar comps
I do it too: Iām bad ask anyone here
terse dragon
But my aegis is rank 2
exotic spoke
Do you have conflict and strife?
exotic spoke
Ditto. Iām about to just spam 2s until I get it doing stupid combos with anima / cyclo and a dps with cyclo / iris
warm plinth
How was it playing with a 24 sec and 45 sec interrupt?
Referring to spriest/frost in S2
exotic spoke
Agree - itās the magic damage that murdered me. And I couldnāt be any more tanky really without swapping to more vers somehow.
terse dragon
How is nerf so tanky?
exotic spoke
Um, I wouldnāt recommend it.
terse dragon
Is it my azzy you think?
exotic spoke
Heās good and has good coordination with cooldowns so they donāt overlap probably as well as coordinating CC so they donāt DR
Probably not? You did a higher key than I did so far this week :p
terse dragon
I only have 2 bastion
exotic spoke
Ditto - but doesnāt matter for magic damage
Did you log?
Or did someone log?
On Tuesday I learned a lot about ML I didnāt know / didnāt need to know last season
Fucking peace keepers charged claw hurts
lusty grotto
but null
exotic spoke
Yesterday we all went through the lot and found a ton of ways we as a group can improve. We also watched / are going to watch some VoDs of the spriest JB since he has almost the exact same comp as us (sometimes he does. They just swap between prot war and prot pally)
Dps doesnāt matter when I get fucked and lay in the dirt face down
warm plinth
Something like that
terse dragon
Oh no we don't log
lusty grotto
its increased by versa
exotic spoke
Wait - how the fuck did my IO from last season go up. I was just under 2500 last season and now Iām just over
terse dragon
Yeah IDK how Nerf deals with charged claw on such high fort keys
exotic spoke
Iād recommend logging MSV
terse dragon
I'm thinking he reflects then kites
exotic spoke
He kites it slightly I bet. Itās only up for a bit and yeah
warm plinth
Wonder if it's an effect of the FH timer changing. Maybe it retroactively affected that for some reason.
exotic spoke
Yeah - what the fuck. The ladder shows me at 2473 but my page shows 2502
lusty grotto
im getting triggered by all the nerf name dropping
why not mention the superior warrior
warm plinth
terse dragon
Yeah he's good too
warm plinth
LUL
exotic spoke
I get that you donāt like thatbhe uses / used leech - but heās still good
And good is a drastic understatement
lusty grotto
didn't we had a discussion about this last season
exotic spoke
I dunno. Maybe?
warm plinth
I feel like this is a weekly discussion
lusty grotto
there's a point where it literally doesn't matter how good you are as a tank
your team will carry you after that point
potent anvil
Charged claw shouldn't kill you outright. It's just a healer healing throughput problem. Unless you want to kite it, which is a valid strategy.
lusty grotto
SMH deswind why do you still have that nickname
potent anvil
Because mods are mean
warm plinth
So Des, what I'm hearing is...
It's a healer problem
lusty grotto
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terse dragon
Is it a healer issue??
exotic spoke
Yeah - itās a matter of we werenāt prepared for it deswind.
Knowing itās coming means I can be prehotted / have CDs or kite for it
warm plinth
Everything is a healer issue
terse dragon
I try to maintain block and ip
potent anvil
I mean, if you're tanking 2 mechs on high fort, call for external and let the healer heal you. If you chain and go for more than that, then tis a tank problem.
exotic spoke
It wasnāt killing me unless I was low - in which case I was going to die shortly afterwards anyway
warm plinth
I'm just memeing
lusty grotto
charged claw is magical...
exotic spoke
Oh definitely Des.
lusty grotto
sb will do nothing
terse dragon
It doesn't have any meele combined with the claw?
exotic spoke
First high ML this season and we didnāt push high enough in ML to see these issues last season.
So learned what to do / address it like you said
potent anvil
It's a proc off an auto attack. The damage dealt is nature. You still get auto'd during its proc, so sure you should have shield block anyway.
exotic spoke
Honestly part of it was starting it at 1 am after being up since 7 and taking a brand new path
lusty grotto
its kind of a proc so yes it has a melee associated with it
but the melee isn't what's murdering riki
probably
crimson quarry
Hello, new to the game and have a dumb question maybe. When I have an absorb shield like IPain or say the Mchimba trinket then take a melee hit does the hit factor in my armor and versa ?
lusty grotto
yes
potent anvil
It's similar to AD's Shadowblade Stalker. They have venom-tipped blade so their auto's have a chance to do nature damage to you, which you can reflect.
lusty grotto
it does factor in
exotic spoke
No, it was poor play on my groups part. And I own a good portion of that blame
crimson quarry
Ok thanks
exotic spoke
Poor Cc / stuns / interrupts, poor planning and execution of pulls, and all that
warm plinth
Actually it looks like when they have Charged Claw active, it replaces their melee
lusty grotto
armor usually gets its DR factored in first (unless its an RP-like absorb)
terse dragon
So should I still maintain sb or just pool rage into ip?
exotic spoke
Youāll usually have the other part of the pack I MSV
warm plinth
You're still gonna need SB up for the other mobs
terse dragon
If it's only a peacekeeper I'm asking
exotic spoke
If you donāt - grab the next one that doesnāt have a mech
lusty grotto
you need to SB anyway, you want to slam shit hard too
lusty grotto
like in rixxa you want to SB too
terse dragon
Lol
exotic spoke
Ehhhhhhhhh id honestly not even care about SB and just have an Ip for every fucking cast
lusty grotto
and in razzdunk
terse dragon
Yah I don't waste any rage on sb or revenge on rixx
terse dragon
When she isn't attacking me I guess
lusty grotto
after reflects of course
potent anvil
@warm plinth Charged claw procs off the auto, you get hit by both at the same time
https://i.snipboard.io/QXE9D4.jpg
warm plinth
Yeah I was looking into it more. Was hard to tell at first glance
Thanks for clearing it up
I was just overthinking it I think lol
terse dragon
Yah that's what I thought
I thought you get a physical hit and magical hit with charged claw
potent anvil
As far as I'm aware, a lot of extra damage auto attack procs coincides with the actual melee attack.
warm plinth
Yeah that makes sense
terse dragon
Deswind how do I become tankier without ava
terse dragon
Idk lol this week makes me feel so squish
potent anvil
Well it is fort week, so trash hurts quite a bit.
cold crater
kind of a general question so im sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but in m+, when should I be using my monk and when should I be using my warrior assuming they have similar gear ?
terse dragon
I've been seeing other warriors face tank certain pulls
exotic spoke
Itās a fort week and magic fucking hurts
exotic spoke
Sinput Iām biased but Iām going to say prot all day every day for m+
terse dragon
the first pull and one before 1st boss
cold crater
unlucky
terse dragon
I feel like I can't face tank those until I get avatar up
exotic spoke
But that also comes from my rdruid who hates healing monks in m+ but loves them in raids @cold crater
potent anvil
If you're aware of the damage intake/profile and are prepared for the pull, you'll most likely succeed in face tanking. FH is majority physical damage, so proper SB uptime via SB/LS, bridging gaps with external or personal will take you a long way.
cold crater
idk the damage i take as warrior can be so spiky sometimes
terse dragon
When would you call for sac ?
cold crater
my monk never gets bursted down
potent anvil
If you're doing the big pull in FH this week, spell reflect the first set of poison strikes, and hope you have someone that can dispel the disease off you.
exotic spoke
If you know you need avatar shortly or for a specific pull Iād honestly not use it on CD as you get closer to it
terse dragon
I usually tell my healer to sac on pull
potent anvil
Otherwise, you need to kite when you get like 3+ stacks of w/e the disease is called.
exotic spoke
He has hpal
thick slate
Well thatās the whole point of monk
cold crater
yeah it is
exotic spoke
Has the downside of being brewmaster though
potent anvil
Other than that, you should be able to face tank it thru your entire defensive CD rotation.
cold crater
whats wrong with brewmaster lmao
exotic spoke
You donāt - and Iād rather have it when I know Iām going to need it than extra on a place I know I donāt
Boring from all accounts Iāve heard
exotic spoke
Also, a friend was like āI gotta farm pearls to get benthic... with BiS we sin at 30k....ā
potent anvil
Ideally, you want to use avatar as often as you can, but realistically you need to look at the opportunity cost. The major advantage of VoP's minor (major not so much) is that you have avatar for virtually every pull. Avatar ends up being 35-37s CD, so if you use it on the tail end of your first pull then you won't have it for your next. Whereas you can time it and have it for every pull.
cold crater
yeah i sim insanely high on my monk rn with the good benthic shit
terse dragon
I always try to have it on pull
exotic spoke
Deswind said it more eloquently than I did but thatās the point I was trying to make
terse dragon
My threat is so sketchy without it
warm plinth
Good ole meme beam
potent anvil
Uh, the dogs hurt more than the enforcers if that's what you're wondering if dogs are enraged. I don't think its worth worrying about since it's all physical so you can tank it fine. Or should be able to.
terse dragon
How big is that dog soothe though?
exotic spoke
@cold crater thatās the point. Itās not high. I have zero offensive benthic gear and have a 30k sim and get close to it
terse dragon
Oh OK
thick slate
I have 2 druids in group. Enrage is not an issue
terse dragon
Hmm I'll have to just try it
exotic spoke
More pulls and more exposure Msv.
It sounds like youāre roughly in the same position as I am.
Shit is starting to kinda hurt now on certain weeks
And misplays are amplified
potent anvil
You learn the fastest by committing mistakes and being overzealous
Still not my name, but I'll take it.
exotic spoke
Lol
thick slate
Whatās the consensus on best M+ essence so far?
exotic spoke
And I agree des. When I do other competitive things - I always want to play against people better than me.
Crushing people out of hand doesnāt encourage growth - if anything it can make you worse relative to the. Rest of the field because you stop growing.
Fight and lose. See what they do and adapt. Evaluate; innovate; adapt, iterated
Will depend on the week but VoP should be up there.
Anima is fun and I enjoy it - but not the best
potent anvil
I like anima major, been using it for awhile. It's fun to just rally+LS anima burst in aoe.
exotic spoke
Agree. Use it too for the same reason. But swapping to tankier essences this week as I learn high keys
chilly brook
If you feel super spiky as a prot warrior I would say it's most likely you're having gaps in mitigation that you are not covering with the tools you have available. @terse dragon
lusty grotto
Raider wind! We did it! Thx toxicchip
terse dragon
Yeah I have gaps in my mitigation
exotic spoke
I meant a if thereās one mob on you and youāre going to chain pull maybe you donāt SB until you engage that second pack
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
So you have more SB when itās more important
Yes, he knows that and he knows itās a mistake
terse dragon
Yeah I gotta figure it out, IDK I was tanking 20/21 fort keys decently on the bolster week
lusty grotto
Griff are you back
terse dragon
But this week with void and quake is just annoying
chilly brook
Yes I'm back
exotic spoke
Do you have the WA to track quaking?
chilly brook
On my Monk
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Rip
terse dragon
Yeah I have it
lusty grotto
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chilly brook
As I was asked by friends to be a Monk tank for a guild on Area 52
lusty grotto
Isn't yamo on a52?
lusty grotto
I think he is
exotic spoke
Eww A 52
chilly brook
But I'm pretty stoked about Classic
lusty grotto
Excuse me. Riki , horde are talking
exotic spoke
A guild from my server went there back in vanilla. Feedback was that it was no bueno lol
lusty grotto
š¤¢
chilly brook
@terse dragon are you using shield wall to cover gaps as well?
exotic spoke
I HAVE PROBABLYRIKI
terse dragon
Yeah
But sometimes I feel like I have to open with ls
Because I can't keep up with rage management with ip and sb
chilly brook
wait wut
exotic spoke
terse dragon
Like my ips get eaten
chilly brook
You should be swimming in rage
ebon geyser
zandalari or maghar for solid plate armor regarding looks
exotic spoke
Msv, the best advice I have is to get logs. We can all say the theory / what should be done / areas of improvement - but in the end we donāt know all of the issues
Maybe itās a healer problem or a dps problem or a tank problem. It could be any of those
chilly brook
What they said
lusty grotto
bigwigs and DBM have an auto logging option
same with exRT
and there are plenty of other addons
exotic spoke
Ugh, I need to update shit when I get home. WA / MDT
Etc. I... Iām actually going to use some WAs now
chilly brook
I need to do some more mythic plus to replace this stupid 370 weapon my monk is stuck with
Good old RNG and personal loot!
lusty grotto
no
exotic spoke
Ahhh
lusty grotto
griff and me discussed the whole loot thing a few times a while ago
obviously toxicchip won
terse dragon
Do you guys spec haste mastery?
lusty grotto
what?
terse dragon
I was told to go more master to be tankier
lusty grotto
we spec protection
terse dragon
Instead of crit
lusty grotto
you were told wrong
sick sentinel
Lmao what
exotic spoke
I dislike personal loot in a pure guild raid
Mine dislike comes from certain items being drastically more rare depending on your comp and the restrictions of what you can trade
I think itās fine in m+ / non full raid groups
lusty grotto
you woke up johnny kaege
chilly brook
Winning on that matter is, well, a matter of perspective
exotic spoke
Nah mang - haste vers if you want full tank.
Haste crit isnāt bad either cause of volume of attacks kinda normalizes the rng
sick sentinel
I just didn't have my second monitor for a hot minute
Hot minute=3 months in this case
terse dragon
He said the critical blocks were good if you stacked mastery
chilly brook
On the topic of stats
sick sentinel
any of you using paraletic barb from orgozoa?
chilly brook
ivl
exotic spoke
I should get a second monitor
sick sentinel
@terse dragon haste>crit>vers>mastery for mplus
Haste>vers>mastery>crit for raids
terse dragon
It's weird nerf told me to drop 445 with no bastion for 435 with bastion
sick sentinel
ilvl above all
terse dragon
He's good bro
chilly brook
No one is saying he isn't good lol
sick sentinel
Depends on the other 3 traits
exotic spoke
^^
sick sentinel
I didn't use 445 behemoth for 420 kraken shell
undone sun
this again...
sick sentinel
For a while
terse dragon
I run 2 dc 2 bastion undulating and bs
sick sentinel
Noooo
exotic spoke
Iām running 435 sky scorcher over the 445 I have
lusty grotto
thyme it never neds
chilly brook
I mean you could if you just want damage
I wouldn't recommend it for most players though at all
sick sentinel
I only dripped ilvl for dc when I wanted damage
chilly brook
That's my point
sick sentinel
I got a 445 shield from radiance day 1
most of the guys on the m+ leaderboards are running 3x dc and 3x bastion still
terse dragon
I was aiming for 3 bastion
sick sentinel
atleast they were when I checked a few days ago
And I was spamming 10s for gear
@sick sentinel 3dc is bad
End of story
terse dragon
I think 1 dc 3 bastion is best
lusty grotto
if you're coming in here saying fort mobs rape me, do you really think you should be going 3DC 3BoM?
sick sentinel
If you are on tournament realms and you go for 3dc
lusty grotto
i mean think about it
terse dragon
I'm not trying to get dc traits
sick sentinel
You just don't know how to gear a warrior
sick sentinel
Ya I see
Just try to get lucky I guess
Most general traits are better than second dc
Not all of them tho
potent anvil
I only have 1 bastion currently, not dropping ilvl for it though.
exotic spoke
I mean its per shield slam and it rolls over right
sick sentinel
idk what they were doing
sick sentinel
Bfi is really good especially at high haste
For surv
And the block is far from negligible
terse dragon
Someone told me that its useless when you have sb already up?
sick sentinel
Exactly the opposite
undone sun
what
terse dragon
Cause block dr?
undone sun
is this someone also nerf
terse dragon
No not Nerf lol
sick sentinel
That's literally the most wrong it can possibly be
terse dragon
I used to use brace for impact
But then he said its only st pad
And the block drs lol
oblique garnet
@potent anvil Why is your name not accurate?
undone sun
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sick sentinel
It increases how MUCH you block not how OFTEN you block
potent anvil
@oblique garnet Mods are meanies. One day I'll have my name back.
oblique garnet
benchwind for life
potent anvil
Wait, are you inferring that I'm not a raider? š”
I worked hard for 65 neck, I'm a raider.
terse dragon
How much does your guys block chance go up with 1 stack of bfi?
potent anvil
BfI doesn't increase block chance. It increases block value.
terse dragon
Yeah that's what I meant
undone sun
block chance is only something paladins worry about
oblique garnet
atleast you are not a sellout deswind š
potent anvil
sick sentinel
are any of you using orgozoas paraletic barb???
terse dragon
I feel like I tested it and the bfi was giving me 1-2% extra block
Is that significant?
potent anvil
Compared to what alternative? It seems fine on its own, if that's what you're wondering.
You probably won't notice it a lot, but its still benefitting you.
terse dragon
Well id have to drop a bastion 435
The 445 helm I have is Bloodsport Brace
435 is dc bastion
sick sentinel
Bloodsport?
terse dragon
Yeah
sick sentinel
What's the other choice
terse dragon
Shit I can't remember
It's one of those m+ reroll ones
Let me see if I can find it
Soul spun casque
undone sun
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lusty grotto
this isnt deja vu
search for his user name
i just dont see the point so im asking
terse dragon
Why would I ask this every week lol
oblique garnet
@potent anvil You in on azhara?
terse dragon
š š
sick sentinel
maybe because no one answered him?
terse dragon
What did they say?
potent anvil
@oblique garnet still progging on zaqul. But maybe
terse dragon
You said ilvl
oblique garnet
Atleast you wont have to play monk on azhara 8) the fight is so much fun as tank 8))) i dont think ive ever hated boss this much
terse dragon
Nothing wrong with trying to make sure your character is maximized
I'd usually ask when I rolled an azzy piece
I'll probably ask next week
And I'll let you know what Nerf said
lusty grotto
are you gonna ask nerf too though
undone sun
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sick sentinel
Lmao
lusty grotto
did you miss the part where nerf told him to go for haste mastery
undone sun
basically no difference
sick sentinel
I mean you get enough mastery from bastion and vision
terse dragon
Yah that's what I had thought
terse dragon
I switched from crit haste to haste mastery
sick sentinel
You don't know how prot mastery works
sick sentinel
Mastery becomes better defensively per point the more you have of it
lusty grotto
block and crit block chance
sick sentinel
You have enough mastery at 100%
terse dragon
I don't hit 100% mastery ever
sick sentinel
It's just worse than other stats like vers for raids and crit for dungeons
potent anvil
If you really want to make mastery your goal, aim for 250% then you can remove shield block entirely from your defensive rotation.
terse dragon
Yah I've just been told 5 different things I don't even know lol
marble cipher
300iq
terse dragon
Lol!!
oblique garnet
What deswind says is a joke
potent anvil
I'm also being sarcastic.
potent anvil
Yeah, that. Don't try to get 250%
terse dragon
Pin it?
exotic spoke
Pro strats
sick sentinel
Ping merek and tell him to pin
potent anvil
I'm gonna get demoted again and my name will be changed. š¬
undone sun
pins š¤£
marble cipher
Demotedwind
exotic spoke
Whats it worth to you then for me to delete it?
terse dragon
Des what do you stat for keys?
potent anvil
Uh, ilvl. I don't really pay attention. I guess atm its my fury gear so crit/mast
potent anvil
True
oblique garnet
Can we make a petition to nuke stagger?
sick sentinel
@potent anvil Why do you have mystery on fury gear
marble cipher
No, I like my raid stagger!
undone sun
even monks don't want it anymore
marble cipher
Merge prot warrior with monk
potent anvil
Crit/mast is better than crit/haste for me š¤·
marble cipher
Stagger with a shield
sick sentinel
the MOARIOR
mystic ferry
whats the opener with CoF r3 and cyclo if I don't take boss on pull and don't have to worry about defensives
marble cipher
Kek
sick sentinel
Oh wow, that's something new
oblique garnet
CoF into Cyclo?
candid path
Keg Smash + Shield Slam = Keg Shield or Slam Smash
potent anvil
CLF and FS provide a lot of free haste in raid
marble cipher
Keg Slam š¤
potent anvil
Oh yeah it's like crit/mast or vers for me in general over haste.
sick sentinel
Yeah I see
potent anvil
In about 30 islands, I'll have 65 for conflict minor too. Huge gains
exotic spoke
how long did it take to get rank 3 conflict?
oblique garnet
3 weeks if you are 1800 iirc
exotic spoke
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
potent anvil
They increased the minimum right? It's like 3 now or w/e instead of 1 if you're <1500 rating. I forget or I could be wrong.
potent anvil
Before if you didn't hit a certain raiting, you get like 1 per week from cache. That makes 15 weeks lol.
exotic spoke
I have to get to 1k. havent pvped competitively since then
potent anvil
So now it's 3 minimum, for 5 weeks.
exotic spoke
yeah you need to get 1K
potent anvil
Maybe it starts at 1k then, and you get 1 for conq capping instead? I dunno, but it's easy to hit 1600+ to get 5 per week.
Just pve to win and you'll get there.
oblique garnet
only problem with that is that you actually have to pvp
Only times i have played arenas in bfa has been when im drunk
potent anvil
Yeah, well blizz wants people to play their game so you do what you gotta do
oblique garnet
I have to get CnS on my monk aswell š¦
I have literally never played windwalker
potent anvil
I think you just hit buttons and make sure you don't repeat them in succession. You can do it, ez
exotic spoke
You just have to get to 1K and then conq cap yeah?
sacred bear
potent anvil
@exotic spoke I think the criteria for r2 is 1k rating. You get to open your weekly pvp cache by conq capping. So you technically just need to win 1 arena game a week at the rating you're at and then conq cap by any means for the cache for next reset.
The easiest way is just to spam arenas anyway, otherwise you can conq cap thru BGs.
exotic spoke
kk thanks des.
i know you dont lose rating when you havent done them. Just didnt know how long. Guess Im running null minor until I get rank 3 cns
white raft
hey guys how you going
can you tel me please, which enchant do you use for shield, if you're using one
undone sun
you can't
white raft
oh ok thanks
im sorry, im now on world of warcraft, a friend of my told me about this group
thanks guys
lusty grotto
welcome to world of warcraft !
this is a good group but it specializes in max lvl
there are better groups for leveling if that's what you're doing
primal steeple
Overwhelming Power or Gutripper. Any opinions
sand egret
@exotic spoke no joke I got 1k in like an hour just finding some rando looking for conq cap in 2s. You definitely have the gear and if you actually havent pvped like me and had no rating...youāre against like people in 380 ilvl gear.
OP by a landslide imho
lusty grotto
OP
barren oar
always op
exotic spoke
yeah going to probably do ret / warrior
probably just prot cause I dont have a weapon
sand egret
yeah i went feral and almost globaled this hunter hahap
just run prot
with some dps and trucj
truck*
lusty grotto
what about rogue warrior riki
lusty grotto
what about nimchy riki
sand egret
im not even kidding when I say some people will be like 380 ilvl
talkin sub 200k peeps
primal steeple
i thought so I was jms
exotic spoke
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lusty grotto
he has about 200 benthic boots though
sand egret
just hit em with a sharp fashion sense
lusty grotto
always
so im only missing benthic gloves with sockets on magechip nice
just got both belts with sockets back to back
carmine light
On tos how do we handle first pulls down the left this week? Pull up the hall first packs and then pull last pack up hall out and los void. Or rush void and hero?
oblique garnet
@potent anvil You were right ww is hella easy xd
remote badger
The Edict of the Faithless trinket from TEP says in the tooltip "If the absorb is consumed you gain Fanaticism, causing subsequent absorbs to prevent 10% more damage, up to 100%." Does this subsequent absorb extend to all absorbs including ignore pain or only the absorb from the trinket?
lusty grotto
from the trinket only
vernal stirrup
can you imagine how insane that'd be
lusty grotto
yeah pw:shields + ip
lusty grotto
and diamond yeah
remote badger
Is there another reason why its been a popular choice in the MDI other then the extra magic mitigation or physical mitigation it provides? Seen as on the higher keys a caster mob in Shrine for example will hit for 150k damage, with the trinket at 435 with 1k verse absorbs just over half the hit, and you have to wait around 30 something seconds before you get an absorb again? I get that the standard thing to do esp in the MDI in that dungeon is to snap and then range but if I knew exactly how Fanaticism worked exactly that might explain something more. or is it just that its the best defensive option this patch trinket wise and theres no cheese?
warm plinth
Worth mentioning they have 445s on the MDI
And yeah, the only magic you're taking is magic you have to take
lusty grotto
there are little things, like we were talking about peacekeepers earlier today
any extra mitigation or smoothing out mechanics help
i honestly dont know what cheese you refer to
yes you can snap the casters
that's about it
you can LoS them if you're worried about interrupts
sand egret
technically speaking, snapping IS cheese š
lusty grotto
so you avoid 1 cast at best? usually on snapping the tank isn't even near the mobs anyway so yeah
warm plinth
Also, the way Fanatacism works is that if you consume the absorb (e.g. it doesn't refresh with damage still in the bank), the next absorb is bigger by 10%, and it increases by 10% each time you fully consume the absorb before it refreshes, up to a cap of double the base shield.
I'm not 100% sure if it resets or just doesn't increase if you fail to meet that condition though.
remote badger
@lusty grotto i would call the absorb working with ignore pain cheesy, but seen as it doesn't theres not much cheese
I was wondering if it was just insane because of something along those lines. @warm plinth ok nice, thanks man, gotcha, 10% more effective for each time consumed untill 100% or reset
We can all dream of the world where that interaction actually did exist
sick sentinel
Only 28.7k?
sick sentinel
I dont have benthic either
warm plinth
Yeah theseus, make your sim a higher number, wtf is wrong with you š
sick sentinel
Jesus man wtf
So low, make it higher
No kraken, ashvane or radiance head???
No coral trinket ????
analog swift
dont raid on this guy
analog swift
coral trinket?
modern brook
outer dew
lusty grotto
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lethal plaza
How can I orange parse last 2 in heroic?
warm plinth
This might just be my least favorite affix combination ever
exotic spoke
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weary thorn
@warm plinth dude after tonight I think I'm done m+ this week
Unless it's specifically to get a guildie a 10
warm plinth
Yeah it's trash
And our first one was a 15 TD which is probably the worst possible dungeon for this affix combo. And then we did a ML without a brez so we actually had to kill trash on the latter half which was awful
brittle owl
@lethal plaza on zaqul you want to pop avatars on immune phases. having shit cleave in your raid also helps, since you can pad on adds
on azshara in p2 you want to phase her after the first set of adds, which are small, and you wanna clap as much as possible on them (you pos azshara slightly off center and grip the adds on her, or just positiom her so you intercept them and kill them before they reach the center)
and idk, but i think you don't want to do the burn strat, but that shouldn't be mandatory
oblique garnet
to parse orange?
brittle owl
to parse properly
to parse orange just press buttons 4head
and/or have lvl 60 neck or benthics
oblique garnet
pretty sure to even try and get to top 10 this late you need 65 neck and benthics
or some sort of new cheese strat
brittle owl
and benthics too
sick sentinel
nah
brittle owl
full benthic is like 2-3k dps
sick sentinel
benthics don't have the same weight as neck 65
sick sentinel
yeah but if you didn't have full benthics socketless before the raid was even open you're slacking or very very unlucky
oblique garnet
65 neck itself doesnt do much
brittle owl
lvl 65 neck is the single biggest dps increase
itself no
but that's a weird way of looking at it
sick sentinel
the thing about benthics is that the large majority of that damage can be acquired very easily
sockets aren't 1k dps
oblique garnet
no the effects are
brittle owl
null3 is big, cof r3 is big, benthics are big, neck is big
oblique garnet
the sockets help
sick sentinel
yes, I'm aware of how benthic works
it's a bunch of small little upgrades from one big upgrade
brittle owl
i did gear compare on my paladin and the total was around 2.2k dps-ish
but yeah, this tier for parsing you need to set up a lot of shit
and on a few bosses kill timers are also hyper big
behemoth, radiance, gorgonzola, zaqul
and assvane
brittle owl
those are the only ones you can 'cheese'
and cant really call cheese on behemoth and ashvane
since ideally you want to 2phase behemoth and 2 shield ashvane
as it's a superior strat
sick sentinel
thing I toyed with as fury on uldir
brittle owl
on radiance i'm p sure you want 2 sets of adds
gorgonzola you want to extend p2 as much as pos
sick sentinel
killing myself before the pull lust and then drumming myself on execute
brittle owl
zaqul p4 as well
oblique garnet
on mythic extending zagul for example is not ideal
brittle owl
i wouldn't think that's cheesing per se since you could do it on prog if a boss had some pepega tactics in the execute phase
how so late
oblique garnet
Its easy to get overrun by the adds
graceful cobalt
what is this week good essenz for M+
graceful cobalt
as sec agis of deep or dream which is better
chilly brook
What seems to be the Loa that everyone is using as a Zandalari boi?
burnt elbow
So I was raiding the other day and me and this warrior were tanking it. The only difference was he was doing like 22k single target ! How?
mint imp
marble cipher
BrM can reach those numbers easily too @burnt elbow
ionic fern
Pretty sure any tank can reach 22k.
marble cipher
Prot warrior still has better single target I think though, but 22k isn't super high
ionic fern
We're already reaching 30k+
marble cipher
^
burnt elbow
I was wondering how we were both around liv 430. Just trying find out what traits and talents are best for single target
ember plinth
It's usually a devastator build and crucible of flames as neck essence, instead of running booming voice and a defensive neck
plus benthic gear and damage trinkets
ionic fern
You can sim yourself.
But jeah - in general it's Devastator+AM with CoF/VoP or CoF/Null on magic fights.
And as far as traits are concerned - BfI/RF/MS/OP/UT all have a place.
brittle owl
both prots are similar in damage
dunno which is higher tbh
could be the new HR warrior build
hollow flume
HR warrior build?
brittle owl
heavy repeecussions
hollow flume
ah
brittle owl
pedicure used that for r1 logs on a few bosses
but it seems to be tied to fight length
i know paladin can sim 38k now with reasonable gear
dunno woyers
in theory on ST paladin should be slightly higher
since seraphim abuses r3 CoF and Cyclo, both of which are used by warriors as well
burnt elbow
Thank you for the information I'll look into it.
brittle owl
you can check top logs to see how people gear btw
but take fight lengths into account when looking at their dps
besides vdh i think all tanks can reach 30k + this tier
brittle owl
oh mb
thought they were just around that number
last time i checked top st log was 28k or smthin
ionic fern
Well, it's only a few of them who break the 30k compared to other tanks
And warrs are already pushing for 40k.
So they still far behind.
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brittle owl
ya
they're the lowest st i think
not that it matters though
tank dps got double/tripled this patch
what's the top gear sim for woyer @ionic fern
ionic fern
37.6k (?)
with the t24 setup.
It's without RF tho so that would increase it more.
HAven't played with HR/BfI too much yet.
brittle owl
ye that seems wrong
ionic fern
Why? š¤
ionic fern
t24 setup has limits tho..e.g no WF's/sockets/max ilvl 445 etc.
ionic fern
You can use Benthic.
I'll probably test some things with it soon again.
Got another project in works right now that takes up the time.
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brittle owl
oof
oblique garnet
i got prot to sim like 44k with benthic and cheese gear
i.e uunat pants at 455 etc
sick sentinel
I was pinged
autumn pendant
Like this @sick sentinel?
sick sentinel
Why the fuck
The question I was pinged at
Was
"What enchant do I use on my shield"
undone sun
š¤£
ionic fern
What about the neck @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Hidden satyr
ionic fern
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sick sentinel
I did that on launch
The moment I got my heart of azeroth I tried to enchant it
And it worked
But they took it away
@sick sentinel
.
hi
Hi
how are u doing
Trying to wake up
subtle fossil
How do you pair your coral with? Just link it to avatar? or Smth else?
brittle owl
in raids it kinda depends on fight, but on pure ST yes you pop the crit with avatar. you want to watch the stacks in such a way as to not go over 100% crit and also maximize uptime
subtle fossil
so you wont pop it with each ava, better stack it for maybe 3rd or smth to get high stacks?
sick sentinel
Pop it with the last avatar
subtle fossil
k thx
brittle owl
do what kaege said for general use, look at fight patterns/fight lengths to optimise
subtle fossil
Will test it anyways, but took liek fotrever to get it š
brittle owl
i'll give you an example
on radiance you want to pop the crit with the avatar you use on the adds
on zaqul you would pop the crit in the 30% dmg taken phases
behemoth, if you two phase it, pop the crit on the second platform
etc
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