you'll get more magic dr from the vers ones and more dps from all three others listed above
#protection
brittle owl
dawn sand
Yeah, kinda does only 1M heal / dps overall
dawn sand
And should I replace Lucid too?
brittle owl
as third minor?
brittle owl
up to you
gives more rage to feed into AM, and overall it should be better both defensively and offensively
but that's up to you, since the others are passive, whereas the rage gen of lucid can be wasted if you play badly
dawn sand
Thanks for the man 😗
floral bolt
which essences do u guys like to run in m+?
ionic fern
VoP/Lucid/Sphere mostly.
floral bolt
ah VoP as major?
ionic fern
Yes.
mental crag
Are the engi goggles decent as prot?
ionic fern
Yes they are - especially if you don't have a DC yet-.
ionic fern
You don't want 3xDC anymore.
You only want one DC.
3xBoM,1xDC and then for example a IF or MS.
ionic fern
Jeah - before the nerf people ran 3xDC purely for the damage but now the damage difference is not big enough to warrant stacking DC's.
mental crag
Yeah, I am going to try tanking M+
grim geyser
[Edicts of the Faithless] VS [Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism]?
grim geyser
i got a 430 edict a 435 urchin and a 400 prism
hallow phoenix
My 415 prism routinely stomps my 435 edict
for reference
i also have ungodly amounts of haste procs though
not sure if that makes the difference
grim geyser
Worth for magic damageon H Azshara Progression ?
hallow phoenix
When my guild first did H azshara i wore both diamond and edict on sea witch i believe
completely unnecessary for that fight however
grim geyser
yea i dont really see the value in it when urchin does so much healing
and prism is only losing out on less than a quarter of a percent of armor from str difference
hallow phoenix
just run dps trinkets :^)
grim geyser
null barrier worth?
hallow phoenix
literally every fight
grim geyser
what about when i get 65 neck? what is second in line for the minor trait
also, why is naga hide such shit
hallow phoenix
should sim but i imagine vision would be ok as a third for raid dps
brittle owl
c&s, CoF, visions
hallow phoenix
or c&s?
barren torrent
I thought CoF major was better dps-wise in raid
grim geyser
but for prot the Visions is insane tho
hallow phoenix
I run CoF major almost every raid fight
add fights (orgo and zaqul) visions is nice
barren torrent
CoF major and VoP minor rn for me (sick no null barrier r3 :'( ) for all ST fights
barren torrent
With that sweets RF traits
barren torrent
Know dat feel
hallow phoenix
im actually really enjoying BfI when not trying to 99 parse
huge defense and offense in one trait yes please
barren torrent
Got 1 BoM, 1 DC, 1 BfI and 3 RF for raiding
barren torrent
Warhelm of dread water, kraken shell pauldrons and harpooner's plate cuirass
barren torrent
I got lucky with my residuum on shoulders
barren torrent
Nice too
barren torrent
BlessRNG
rapid tide
I remember back to the times where I was all over getting like "Evasion Chance" or sth on the OP tier...
Dang, I was a dumb dumb 😛
barren torrent
Ahah
barren torrent
Got a 440 2h weapon in my chest, goodbye old dawnbreaker
hallow phoenix
Damn nice
rapid tide
Ye. Got 450 so I will probably go back to opening in Prot 😄
hallow phoenix
I'm stuck rolling prot until I get a shield
rapid tide
Still weird to have 3 ilvl over Prot on Fury,
I dislike opening on Prot
Don't want to get like sporepods or some shit
barren torrent
hallow phoenix
Also got a 445 one hander tho
hallow phoenix
Just broke 33k without undulating tides 
barren torrent
Only have 430 weap and shield on prot but 430 socket Za'qul weapon feels great
hallow phoenix
I think it's a bit of a trap
rapid tide
It's great for parsing tbf.
If you drop below 50 parse is fked but that's a risk you should be willing to take then imho 😛
hallow phoenix
Especially on something like sivarra or zaqul where I often dip below 50
barren torrent
Ye my OT monk is using 2 UT and I'm 👀
hallow phoenix
That's almost cheating as a monk
I have the UT pieces
I should sim with them and do some log analyzing to see which fights I can use them on
I also did that dagger build for a few heroic fights
Funny and orange parsed but probably won't touch it again unless I get an agility dagger
spice ferry
What does having a dagger do?
oblique garnet
nothing
spice ferry
Oh
oblique garnet
you cant use revenges with dagger
undone sun
swap weapons to cast revenge, swap backez
hallow phoenix
Big brain
barren torrent
rapid tide
Actually annoyed.
I just realized there is no actual upgrade anymore anywhere outside of gigaforges.
Sad now 😦
exotic spoke
😦
brittle owl
why be sad, when you can now parse in peace
weary thorn
I still need a new MH, hoping for love from sivara tonight (445 would be nice)
brittle owl
no excuse now
strong forum
Same here except azerite
rapid tide
Ye, for Fury the Za'Qul Chest would be an upgrade.
But I doubt I kill that one on mythic anytime soon sooooo 😛
brittle owl
they are afaik
and are p self explanatory, and they're all situationally useful
also bos for what? dps? surv? against what? physical/magical etc
they all cover a niche
weary thorn
There is an essence section in both the wowhead and icy veins guides
lucid dew
yea i know but never sure if those are totally accurate or have changed
weary thorn
they are still pretty accurate afaik
cedar flax
Quick question for the group regarding trinkets. Tanking heroic EP with progress through Orgozoa (first attempts on Queen's Court last week). I am currently running Eternal Alchemist Stoneand the Pocket-Sized Computation Device with Subroutine: Overclock and Performant Logic Board (haste/crit). I'm looking for suggestions on trinket upgrades. I am eyeballing Lady Ashvane's Ashvane's Razor Coral but haven't seen a drop yet.
Any suggestions to investigate?
Edit: Our most recent logs for armory data... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W3f1bgxFh4pRXBNZ/
clear sapphire
First few bosses in mythic got a new war with 100% (and not by a little bit) using HR. Just doesn't seem right?
mystic whale
from my personal testing in raid
Diamond > Edict > Blood urchin
swap edict and urchin for M+
cedar flax
@mystic whale - A great question! Right now, I feel my survivability is okay but not amazing. That said, my healers have not complained. ;-)
My DPS seems strong--enough that I have seen issues where I pull off my co-tank and, in AoE situtations, I almost always end up with all the trash. I just recently got the Subroutine: Defragmentation from King Mecha and was considering sacrificing the haste card to smooth out my EHRPS curve. I don't have Diamond but could easily farm it out.
RE: Ashvane's trinket, that was a mistake on my part. I meant the blood urchin and grabbed the wrong item without reading. Opps!
weary thorn
defragmentation is not worth replacing overclock
mystic whale
if you want damage though, nothing beats cyclotronic blast
that thing is stupid strong
but for survivability, follow the list I posted just before
I dont feel like the "defensive" pocket-sized trinket options are THAT good
weary thorn
its not that far removed from what rezans does
and its a solid trinket
I could see using cyclotronic if you have a different trinket to swap out for in m+
cedar flax
@mystic whale - are you referring to Edicts of the Faithless?
I haven't considered using Cyclotronic Blast for fear the channel would mess up mitigation flows. Perhaps that is a non-issue. That said, I'm not married to either of my trinkets so I'm open to swapping things around.
oblique garnet
Problem with Cyka blast is that you cant block during it
cedar flax
Right. That was what deterred me from trying it
red sigil
is Brush It Off a chance to trigger or always on?
cinder fjord
Piggybacking off the discussion of Cyclo's channel - Is that the reason prot doesn't usually want to use Merektha's either? I got a pretty nice titanforged one and replaced the Mechagon trinket that drops off the gnomes, but I know I can't block with Merektha's, so I'm wondering if it's even worth using
weary thorn
merektha's is also effectively a root
cinder fjord
True true
weary thorn
its useful on bdk's because they still move at 70%
cinder fjord
So even if it's a huge iLevel upgrade I should stay away from it? The extra strength is nice, but the on-use isn't good
weary thorn
I wouldnt use it if I had anything else useful
unless you are only going to use it as a stat stick
vernal stirrup
@red sigil always
exotic spoke
Agree
balmy narwhal
Is barrel smash interruptible in FH? I just saw a video from nurfed that he kept getting interrupted
warm plinth
He was getting interrupted last week because Eudora was our friend. She chain shots the boss which stuns it and it happens frequently during the barrel smash cast.
balmy narwhal
Aaaah ok
mystic whale
its that much of a big deal to not be able to block during cyclotronic honestly...
it lasts 2sec
and will basically be a third or more of your total damage
warm plinth
I mean, depends on the content you’re doing and how much/what is beating on you.
mystic whale
I used it through all of heroic
im not using it in mythic though
just use it to pull when you can and during your offtanking
there's always a way to make it work if you want to push more deeps
warm plinth
It will definitely not be a third of your total damage.
If cyclo is a third of your damage you’re doing something very wrong.
cedar flax
@mystic whale and @weary thorn - Turns out I have a socketed diamond so I will dump the alchemist stone and give it a shot. Probably gonna keep the haste card and in my computer until I can change it out for the urchin. Thanks for the help, guys!
weary thorn
sure thing, gl
mystic whale
well im parsing in the 90s and it is a LOT of my damage
weary thorn
astro, if he had specified purely for raid, then I'd agree with using cyclo over haste card.
warm plinth
A lot, I’m sure, but absolutely not 30%. And in raids there are plenty of opportunities to use it safely. Dungeons, not so much.
mystic whale
yeah i wouldnt use it in M+ either
exotic spoke
@mystic whale it’s not a problem to use it in mythic raids for the first several bosses either when going for dps
It is suicide in high m+ keys
strong forum
Even on mythic raid you can take 1-2 hits while channeling cyka blast, but in most cases you'll get chances to cast it without getting hit
warm plinth
Yeah if you wanna see how fast that can get you killed, just pull 2 or 3 packs in the start of FH during a key and don’t cast shield block and watch how fast you disintegrate XD
mystic whale
nah of course you gotta be smart about using it
but if you wanna push that deeps, you need it
exotic spoke
And being smart is not using it
mystic whale
there's no way around it
exotic spoke
In mythic plus
exotic spoke
Gotta push and break that 30k actual dps
weary thorn
if i had something better than the overclock card, i'd have it setup for cyclo in raid
exotic rapids
Hi there, is there an updated version für Maroks Spellreflect Tracker?
lucid dew
Would you guys still use diamond even if its 400 ilvl
with a socket
i dont have a mythic one
that compared to cyclo
I have a 430 urchin
exotic spoke
Use 430 urchin over 400 diamond
sand egret
🤔
exotic spoke
They are entirely different purposes
sand egret
defensve vs offense
lucid dew
right i guess depends on content
exotic spoke
Cyclo is offensive and diamond is defensive.
I wouldn’t run that diamond at all. If you need more defensives change the red card
weary thorn
for raid, I'd personally use urchin/cyclo. That means that you will not have the haste card available anymore for m+
exotic spoke
Not really - a 400 diamond isn’t worth any more
lucid dew
hopefully i can get a rezzens gleaming eye soon for mythic +
weary thorn
if you use the overclock (haste) trinket in m+, and don't have rezans, then I'd just stick with urchin/overclock for both
lucid dew
what if i get a 430 eddicts
would you run urchin eddict in mythic +
or still go haste
weary thorn
probably not, double defensive is a bit much
exotic spoke
Depends on if you need survivability or not
lucid dew
yea prob not im pretty geared
void berry
Hey boiiis ! My co-tank (BRM, obviously) wanna try two tanks Ashvane tonight. How do you handle it as a war ?
Full boss tank ? Many soaks ? No soaks ?
weary thorn
bring astroglide and wear ass-less chaps instead of armor
void berry
Seems helpful. Any ressources I could look at ? Video from a 2 phase guild as a war tank ?
weary thorn
I haven't seen any guides out on two tanking her yet. Doesn't mean there aren't any, but a google search while at work didn't turn up anything on the first page
void berry
Yeha I'm looking myself I can't seem to find anything.
weary thorn
possibly try looking through logs for two tank kills
if you can find a couple you should be able to suss out how many stacks each tank is taking and get a strategy started based on that
analog swift
I've seen some logs where the warrior tank takes one wave
honest frigate
It’s tank soak, skip/kite, tank 2 soak, dps soak, dps soak
void berry
I am clearly
analog swift
it's probably better to have one more tank so the last wave
easier to heal a tank, have dps keep more uptime on the boss
weary thorn
gch just gave you the soak order
analog swift
hey fum, why do you lust at 1 minute?
progging this shit again tonight and we're lusting at 4 where most cds line up
weary thorn
probably when they drop first shield
analog swift
yes of course
but i'm asking why that shield drop as opposed to the later shield drop
willow scarab
Not necessarily waiting 1 minute into figth
we do it on first shield
lust and 2nd post on first shield break
analog swift
yeah
willow scarab
You'll wanna save cyclotronics/clf etc for it, we only have 2 people use CDS on pull and it's to skip 2nd waves hitting boss shield
analog swift
my thot process is second shield drop is when all cds line up
yeah we're doing 1s and 2s on pull and 4s on pull, 1s/1:30s/3s on break, 2s on next shield then all cds line up on second shield drop right around 4 minutes
willow scarab
If you're using biggest cds on shield break then your cds are lining up with shield break anyway
regardless of which one you lust on
analog swift
wouldn't you want to lust when biggest cds are up?
willow scarab
you've just said you're saving the big ones for the break anyway
except for 2s
why not just use 2s as well and lust first shield
willow scarab
how many 4 minute cds are in the game
analog swift
double meta
willow scarab
how many other cds
analog swift
eh that's about it
analog swift
yeah same
willow scarab
then the 4m part is irrelevant
they can just meta execute
I mean do what works for you
This is just what works for us
analog swift
yeah more jurst curious
willow scarab
the most important thing is having 1m raid dps during shield break
analog swift
and then 2s on pull cuz our first shield break always needs like one rippling to be soaked
willow scarab
if you execute perfectly but have 700k dps the boss won't die
cinder roost
@void berry Going for 2 shield strat?
void berry
Seems like it
carmine light
Any advice for tol dagor this week
cinder roost
Killed it last night, I can give you a breakdown of our soaks if you want
carmine light
Lol then how do I change my key
willow scarab
do someone else's key
i guess take 1 mdps 2 range and kill mobs on a wall to give room for quaking and sanguine to drop without clogging the path
carmine light
Seem no one wants a 950 io tanks. Or if they do the group is lower than me lol
oblique garnet
Why lust on the first burn you will have to do the corals anyway so youre wasting lust where as on the 2nd burn you can just ignore them
void berry
@cinder roost sent you a mp 🙂
carmine light
Fume the pools are so big from sanguine lol
willow scarab
that's why you tank parallel to the wall
to minimize the space required
damn true late
i forgot to move the boss to the middle as well
oh well easy farm content now who care
analog swift
Late that's my thot process as well
exotic spoke
You’re a thot
analog swift
bigfacts
exotic spoke
@ ing me in disc less than 15 minutes after you asked a question on reddit
upbeat minnow
Are u guys using weap enchant "Naga Hide" or "Force Multiplier" atm ?
vernal stirrup
@lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Theseus asked me there and then pinged me here to tell me to answer him there
Force multiplier @upbeat minnow
Also mr 2012 - I believe you meant to say 
chip
oblique garnet
Riki thats
exotic spoke
Yeah nim is - you’re right
Also; why am I here today.... so slow.... I should be somewhere other than the office
warm plinth
You should go home
weary thorn
its not when chip is accurate
exotic spoke
I should and I probably will
lusty grotto
DID SOMEONE SUMMON ME
warm plinth
Probably
lusty grotto
oh hi 👋
warm plinth
👋
warm plinth
Typical Nim fashion
mystic ferry
Is there any list of updated essence recommendations for each boss? Icyveins just recommends vision/worldvein for every boss
warm plinth
😉
lusty grotto
did a quick LFR, owned everyone there
warm plinth
Logs is probably the best place to look for that, or just asking in here if you're not interested in parsing.
mystic ferry
I'm progressing ashvane so mostly interested in essence choices for first 4 bosses
lusty grotto
CoF/Null R3 for dps
mystic ferry
only null 2 😢
warm plinth
RIP
lusty grotto
well you can use visions minor
warm plinth
You're a visions minor
mystic ferry
I chose PP over Null and kinda regret it
lusty grotto
Oh
exotic spoke
Hi nim
mystic ferry
yeah can't buy both unless you wait like 2 months
warm plinth
Aren't alt essences cheaper?
lusty grotto
the other goes down in price
warm plinth
alt-spec*
exotic spoke
Second essences are cheaper
mystic ferry
i thought only r1 and r2 are cheapper?
lusty grotto
no
all of them
but you have to learn the essences for them to go down in price
you cant just buy 1 spec and look at the other's price
warm plinth
Yeah like I imagine that R3 alt-spec won't be cheaper til you've learned your first R3?
lusty grotto
yup
mystic ferry
yeah i bought r2 of each without realizing theyre both kinda useless without rank 3
lusty grotto
yeah you shouldn't have done that
warm plinth
What race is your war Nim?
lusty grotto
get 1, go to silithus, learn it, then go back for alt spec
eh
ghash do you even PFP
how dare you not remember
warm plinth
I don't honestly
lusty grotto
i am offended
lusty grotto
a hwat
exotic spoke
Ew horde
lusty grotto
silence alliance scum who im probably gonna have to party with on the next expansion
warm plinth
That depends on what the best option is
exotic spoke
Just come to my server sonits not as dead please
lusty grotto
im busy crying myself at night while refreshing my looking for group list for mythic 3 bosses
warm plinth
I'm still gonna continue gearing my alliance warrior
lusty grotto
wolverine photo meme over 445 shield
warm plinth
I made a Mag'har so I guess that's not up to Riki's standards
lusty grotto
ghash the answer is nightborne male
lusty grotto
fuck i can't even say that without vomiting a little
warm plinth
I almost made a female darkspear
For zerking
But Mag'har heritage is too 👌 to pass up
Plus who tf levels from level 1 when you can level from level 20
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
Why are emissaries invisible on wago MDT lol
lusty grotto
cause wago mdt is a piece of shit
robust dew
oof
warm plinth
Got it 👍
lusty grotto
i mean it works for things
but yeah
you dont remember planning routes on wago with teeming?
warm plinth
I mean, the emissaries are there, but invisible, and they're all there, not just the ones for the current week
lusty grotto
so fun
robust dew
my prot warrior is a belf for when our racial still interupted glares at blizzard "oh we're done messing with arcane torrent" bs
warm plinth
It still has its moments
Reanimated Guardians in Underrot and Minions of Zul in KR 👍
robust dew
i ran my 420 havoc dh thru a +0 mythic UR last night for weekly so i know that arcane torrent still has some uses
my warrior is still sitting at 113
robust dew
i think its ether the guild im in or im just debating if i wanna race change it or just faction change it
warm plinth
I mean, not perfect because MoP TW is probably the worst one
But it's still like 400k XP with looms per dungeon
robust dew
i can still use leggos at 113 right?
warm plinth
You can use legos in TW regardless of level
They don't cut off til 116 though, in any case
robust dew
my prot warrior currently has the gloves and the archimode hatred reborn trink
for leggos
lusty grotto
its all about boots and shoulders just because
robust dew
hey that shield the trink gives me has saved my ass many times
lusty grotto
yikerinos
warm plinth
Timeless Stratagem is arguably the coolest item in this entire game.
robust dew
^
warm plinth
I'm not even ashamed. Heroic Leap is already like 2nd place for coolest ability; being able to do it 3 times is spectacular.
lusty grotto
ghash did you know ashran is now an "epic battleground"
and in there you get the book thing
where you learn and improved version of your spells
warm plinth
Did you know that I've never done Ashran in my entire life?
robust dew
u never done shitran?
exotic spoke
Yes ghash. Goblin is best
warm plinth
Nah, that was WoD right?
lusty grotto
yes
robust dew
or timewasteran
warm plinth
I played long enough in WoD to level my monk from 90 to 100 and that's it. I never even did a dungeon in WoD
lusty grotto
so anyway you kill some npcs and sometimes they drop a book for your class, you learn a spell you can only use in ashran
exotic spoke
Zero time spent in wod
lusty grotto
so in this new one, like i said, they replaced the mass SR thing with 3x Heroic leap
robust dew
oh i started playing MoP prepatch so panda is my fav xpac
warm plinth
I'm gonna be that jackass in WoD TW that has no fucking clue
exotic spoke
^^
robust dew
ur not the only one trust me\
warm plinth
I went fury for a WSG in Legion just to have fun with Heroic Leap
exotic spoke
I barely remember the Panda dungeons since I quit maybe 1/4 of the way through
warm plinth
It's amazing grabbing the flag and going across the BG in 3 seconds
exotic spoke
You should have seen what I could do as a goblin in RBGs ghash
warm plinth
I played quite a bit in MoP because monks still have a special place in my heart
lusty grotto
please dont listen to riki
warm plinth
I mained one from MoP up through Legion. Haven't really played my monks except to level them this expansion though.
exotic spoke
Banner -> intervene -> rocket jump -> charge _> heroic leap -> intervene
lusty grotto
🤢
warm plinth
Rocket Jump, phew
robust dew
in cata timewalking i had a dps kept pulling and it was pissing off the healer so i get a whisper from the healer saying next pack the dps pulls just stand back cus ima let him die cus hes not the tank u are and the dps pulled he died i took the aggro while laughing
warm plinth
20 whole yards
lusty grotto
what is dragon charge
warm plinth
What Banner are you referring to?
sand egret
Bruce
lusty grotto
we had banners
exotic spoke
He doesn’t know
exotic spoke
No this was when I was horde. Though battle standards would still work
warm plinth
RIP Mocking Banner
robust dew
b4 i get to max on my warrior what is our best stats after stam/str? still same from legion?
warm plinth
😢
lusty grotto
ilvl is our best stat
exotic spoke
Haste assuming equal Ilvl
warm plinth
Kinda interesting, I did some sims on my war. 5 targets 1.5 min, 10 targets 1.5 min, and ST for 3 mins. Haste is better for 10 and ST, but crit is better for 5 🤔 Wonder why it would flip flop like that.
sand egret
i imagine because crit scales better on more targets
warm plinth
Yeah but then wouldn't it still be better at 10 targets?
warm plinth
Did ST at 1.5 mins too just to see if it made a difference but haste is still #1 on that short of a fight
sand egret
do the 5 and 10 targets at longer intervals
warm plinth
Crit (very slightly) better than haste at 3 mins 5 targets. Haste (very slightly) better than crit at 3 mins 10 targets. So still flip flops but it's a lot closer with the longer encounter
Wonder if it's just a weird breakpoint with haste or something
warm plinth
Yeah, guess it makes little difference since I'd be ideally going for haste/crit anyway (after ilevel ofc) for M+
sand egret
but obvi stacking Speed, the master stat.
warm plinth
Yeah, I'm not gonk gang or DID so I gotta get that speed somewhere
sand egret
can't be losing precious seconds running through a dungeon
warm plinth
lolol
weary thorn
super useful in backing out of siege runs at high speed on void weeks
warm plinth
Hahaha
Nah man it's so you can mount up and get to the sniper squads faster
Idt my alliance dwarf has any speed-related shit though, so RIP him
Nope, just crit bonus damage
I can survey faster though! 😅
weary thorn
clutch
ember arrow
hi, wow good yet?
mystic ferry
I’ve been reading advice from this discord and icyveins because I’m being swapped to prot tonight. It feels like this discord is focused on parsing really high dps and the icyveins guide is very little offense. How do I know when I should go parsebrain vs survivability? And is there a middle ground for some fights?
ember arrow
from my ancient knowledge, you got parses when you outgear and/or stop progressing a fight
cinder pasture
You guys have convinced me, I'm now stacking speed
warm plinth
Lul
exotic spoke
Icy veins is written from a defensive point of view. It is the guide to go with for that.
And honestly; you’ll only know after doing it for a bit. When you’re super comfortable
warm plinth
Yeah if you’re on farm and/or surviving fine on a fight, no reason not to go for damage unless you are hindering your progress by doing so (adding unneeded pressure to healers or something like that)
mystic ferry
I’m pretty comfortable with playing very defensively, so I’m looking to up my dps when I feel safe. But there’s probably a middle ground between the icy veins and going full dps right? Is there a guide for that? Looking at top parses I see stuff like reckless flurry and inkpod but I don’t think I want to go that far yet
exotic spoke
You can sim your character (for dps) and now you know the highest. Mix and match with the defensive options until your comfortable?
Maybe, as a starting point only worry about offensive trinkets?
mystic ferry
Yeah that’s basically my question. If I’m not going full dps azerite, trinkets, and essences which of those do I go offense vs which do I keep defense.
cinder pasture
Trinkets are the easiest ones to switch out between defense/offense
analog swift
Yeah honestly I can’t really think how you play prot more offensively and sacrificing defense
I guess more revenges
But so many globals are already tclap and shield slam anyway
mystic ferry
Playing CoF, using dps trinkets and azerite traits were the main things I was thinking about
sand egret
as you get better gear/more comfortable at tanking, it becomes like playing Jenga. You keep taking away defensives for offensives piece by piece until you fall over.
mystic ferry
And then I blame healers right?
sand egret
of course
mystic ferry
I’m catching on already
warm plinth
Honestly, you shouldn't overthink it too much Player
Most changes from defense to offense aren't an all-or-nothing switch
hardy mesa
Is they bloodthirsty urchin any good for M+?
exotic spoke
“Sounds like a healing problem” right blade?
warm plinth
The biggest loss to defense would probably come from the BV to Deva switch on ST fights honestly, since you no longer use Demo on CD in that build.
exotic spoke
Is good if you need survivability Drachen
strong forum
urchin is the best defensive trinket in the game
so.
its really good in m+ high keys
lusty grotto
imo edict is stronger
strong forum
on low keys its not gonna do a whole lot if you play good
lusty grotto
but urchin is close!
strong forum
didnt have the privilege to get a good ilvl on it
lusty grotto
im never getting it so
hardy mesa
Why is edict better? Because you can swap between physical and magic?
lusty grotto
i feel you
strong forum
i used my 450 urchin in AD 15 just now, only did 3.6mil / 3k hps
so i have to play higher keys to make it work
lusty grotto
because out of a heal that can overheal and an absorb that can smooth out damage, edict seems slightly better with our toolkit
strong forum
need a big edict tho
lusty grotto
yeah
strong forum
it scales insanely with ilvl
so a 415 is utterly useless
430 is viable
and 445+ is good
warm plinth
I thought urchin couldn't overheal; or does it not care how injured you are, just that you are?
strong forum
idk
exotic spoke
I wish I had the time to edit that to say “need a big dict imo”
Get it.... big dict
lusty grotto
it might if you get topped off iirc
strong forum
havent had a lot of experience with it
exotic spoke
I’m using 430 urchin in high keys and it’s nice. Personally would prefer edict imo. Being able to gain dedicated magic mitigation is more beneficial imo
warm plinth
I guess based on tooltip it could overheal some of it since it heals a fixed amount if you're injured
strong forum
on details
warm plinth
Do you see overhealing on it Riki?
strong forum
its a fixed amound based on how much dmg gets funneld into the trinket
its not 13k 100% of the time
its from 1- 13k based on how much you stacked
lusty grotto
both are great trinkets, edict just seems more in line to how we deal with damage. Heals are for BDKs
warm plinth
Well yeah but it's a maximum so if you always have 13k available, it'll always heal 13k
If that makes sense
warm plinth
Unless it just won't overheal, ofc
lusty grotto
o:
strong forum
yup
warm plinth
Yeah that's what needs to be tested. E.g. if I take 5k damage, and I have 20k in my bank, will it only heal the 5k or will it still heal the 13k or whatever
Easy to cehck via logs I guess
check*
warm plinth
So just barely overhealing
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
could be
probably
since its guaranteed
like a 450+ edict does 100k
base
if you have enough vers
hardy mesa
I normally run 10-14 keys. Currently have 440 alch and an inkpods that I run with. Would a 430 edicts be good replacement?
warm plinth
Hey you don't know that Nim; what if he has a 350 shield 😏
lusty grotto
unless you feel like damage is just too much and you can't multipull effectively
the question is
is edict's cd hastened like diamond was
with haste
i have no idea if it is
warm plinth
Am I doing this filter way wrong or something or are there really no heroic or mythic logged fights with someone wearing Edicts
lusty grotto
how are you filtering
warm plinth
warm plinth
Yeah idk why it's not working
icy garnet
Is this lingering spores trinket any good or should I just collect the expulsom?
warm plinth
lusty grotto
put your mouse over that emoji
exotic spoke
Grats on your expulsom
lusty grotto
i can't figure out where that filter is
warm plinth
click the magnifying glass in the top right
lusty grotto
yeah foudn it
warm plinth
Looks like it does not scale with haste
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
lusty grotto
i see
warm plinth
That is legit a massive fucking absorb though
exotic spoke
Give me that sexy fucking magic absorb
lusty grotto
shit would be broken if it was hastened
warm plinth
And that's just the initial one
warm plinth
I'm getting aggravated at this filter not working lol
3.59% overheal on this one
4357.9 HPS
That's with a 445
lusty grotto
its minimal i guess
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto ya
lusty grotto
welcome back
lusty grotto
im a magechip
lusty grotto
until riki carries nimchy
lusty grotto
sigh gotta start sending benthic boots to nimchy now
finally got them all on magechip with socket
except for the 2 belts
sick sentinel
I did 13s and stuff week 1
lusty grotto
just a lot of apex season 2 and 10s
sick sentinel
but other than that I haven't played rly
lusty grotto
rip
lusty grotto
😢
lusty grotto
i got aotc on chip and havent set foot since
sick sentinel
loool
sick sentinel
I've killed every boss once on heroic
lusty grotto
zero
sick sentinel
and haven't gone back since
lusty grotto
in my server
lusty grotto
😢
sick sentinel
:p
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
sick sentinel
why?
lusty grotto
i want to do more on my war
warm plinth
You guys need to get my level of raiding perfection
lusty grotto
but i got burned off on trying to get people to come do keys
sick sentinel
hey I got a new guild soon >:((
sand egret
0/8N AMA
lusty grotto
lies
warm plinth
Nim keeps saying he wants to do keys with me but you know how that goes
sand egret
mmhmmm
lusty grotto
imagine if bullfango was on before 11 pm est
sick sentinel
imagine if bullfango was on ever
lusty grotto
😢
warm plinth
Here you go guys; a real man's raid prog:
lusty grotto
he has been on
lusty grotto
also for the last 3 weeks ive stopped doing keys absolutely raging at my brother for being a massive retard
warm plinth
Playing on EU from NA 😬
sand egret
get on my level Ghash
warm plinth
Pass on the perma 180 ms
warm plinth
Wasn't when I was on EU
warm plinth
It was actually 220 for me when I played there full time
But it was 180 when I logged on to my EU account during the free weekend
sick sentinel
are you oce
warm plinth
Nah
I live in the states
Weirdly enough I lived closer to Europe when I had the higher latency haha
sick sentinel
i'm waiting for an invite to my social guild n then i unsub permananetly B)
sand egret
I'm just letting you have a headstart before I swoop in and take your spot
warm plinth
Why is that not surprising to me at all
lusty grotto
it was "Starlord" in Legion
lusty grotto
why not both
robust dew
bad
sick sentinel
bad
sand egret
medium
exotic spoke
Good news - I’m happy to carry nimchy whenever you want
Bad news - check out Gallywix for prices
warm plinth
ROFL
lusty grotto
if you say 'well done', im gonna fly to your house and piss on your car
sand egret
what's a gallywix
lusty grotto
wait what
robust dew
HE TRYNA MAKE A SELL
sand egret
the mob?
lusty grotto
but im poor
warm plinth
It's a M+ boost community
sand egret
im confused
exotic spoke
A boosting service for gold
sand egret
OH
exotic spoke
Nah - I’ll carry nimchy - it was a joke
sand egret
not when you're destroying this scrub rogue on the deeps
lusty grotto
YES PALS
sand egret
they are known as Pals
lusty grotto
that isn't a paladin
sick sentinel
are you alliance?
lusty grotto
nimchy is alliance
exotic spoke
But yeah - o thought that was funny 😃
sand egret
who needs classic when you can recruit in /say right now
warm plinth
The awkward shit is when you post your own key in group finder and say carry me, and then you end up leading DPS
lusty grotto
lmao
sick sentinel
unrelated
sacred roost
is the rank 3 alchemy trinket any good for protection or fury?
lusty grotto
riparooni
warm plinth
It's decent for prot, but not super hard to replace
The effect + abyssal pots is pretty disgusting though, ngl
sacred roost
worth it for pvp?
sick sentinel
their kill is hilarious
warm plinth
You're out of my entire world at this point Dura
lusty grotto
you might wanna check in #fury and #223972896219856896
warm plinth
@sand egret Look at my big boi woyer keys
lusty grotto
its "warries" like lord sco used to say
warm plinth
Does not compute
warm plinth
Wat
lusty grotto
you said woyer okay
warm plinth
I run BSC
lusty grotto
lmao
warm plinth
Don't be dumb
lusty grotto
i dum
exotic spoke
Oh oh! I think I can beat that
lusty grotto
😱
warm plinth
I bet you can lol
Though in fairness I think it's more how inactive my server is in M+
Because my server actually says "high" on the realm list
sick sentinel
sco is the best tank
exotic spoke
542 score is a 15th warrior tank on my server
lusty grotto
smh
exotic spoke
29th warrior tank is 265
lusty grotto
his name is not heyzus
sand egret
damn you got some dope keys Ghash
exotic spoke
For all tanks on my server - 542 is the 85th tank
Number one tank on server. He’s a shitlord
warm plinth
Ikr?
lusty grotto
that's for both factions right riki?
exotic spoke
Yes nim
lusty grotto
holy fuck lmao
warm plinth
You would be #2 warrior tank on my server Riki
sand egret
oh snap
lusty grotto
riki is #1 in my heart
sand egret
Ghash's right-hand man
exotic spoke
Couldn’t push last week. Gotta push this week hard
warm plinth
Well, assuming you're still in the 1800s anyway
exotic spoke
No - 1909
lusty grotto
what a pleb score
exotic spoke
Going for 2k+ this week
lusty grotto
still #1 in my heart
sand egret
ooooo
sick sentinel
i'm like
sand egret
my turn
lusty grotto
#3 in my heart
sand egret
beat that
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto I'm #3 in your heart?
lusty grotto
sorry weep you gotta grind some io
lusty grotto
push imo!
exotic spoke
Overall tank blade? Oof
exotic spoke
Pushing tonight post raid.
sand egret
oh no, talkin bout my furbois
random urchin
Lol. I get the feeling. Ive barely done M+ on my warr as I just started. 790 score puts me at 80 something for my server. 1 on realm isn’t even at 1700
exotic spoke
I looked up classes on my server and the tenth place score
lusty grotto
i cant look at my score, i get depressed
exotic spoke
Only two classes had tenth place scores over 1k
lusty grotto
PTSD from the s2 shitstorms in here
sand egret
i look up mine for a confidence boost
sand egret
cuz compared to the rest of my server, i'm legit as fuck
warm plinth
The 1st place tank is legit a fucking VDH
sand egret
my top 2 are DKs
warm plinth
Idk if I'll ever top 2k though. VDH is 2001
I don't try seriously enough to get that high
sand egret
which is bullshit cuz that pally is only like 50 points ahead
and it's a pally so that's fucked up
damn flashlight heroes
warm plinth
Git it gurl
lusty grotto
2300 brm, warrior, warrior on my server
warm plinth
What's the #1's score?
sand egret
1.7 lol
warm plinth
Oh shit you got that
Even I'll be 1700 before the season is over most likely, and I'm trash
sand egret
yeah i'm starting to see more and more pugs to step into
those tops run with their guild groups so it's a tough beat
warm plinth
Wow, top score on Tich is only 2085 and...it's a druid
exotic spoke
Number 1 overall on my server is 1948
Hdh in my group
sand egret
Nill?
warm plinth
Yeah
sand egret
he's one of the higher bears out there
exotic spoke
Next three are spriest, rogue; rdruid at 1910 from my group. And I’m at 1909
warm plinth
You got this boo
exotic spoke
We have a multi glad Druid on our server
exotic spoke
Ra
lusty grotto
he does keys with me
lusty grotto
not gonna happen bruv
sand egret
bruddah*
lusty grotto
hes also vanilla time my guild
exotic spoke
He also plays with someone in my guild who pvped with him - Bounce
Soooooo I just have to be like “nimchip said you’re bad”
warm plinth
I mean, he's not even 1800 so
exotic spoke
Im like e famous on my server
warm plinth
Are you?
exotic spoke
I get shit done (not really)
But a lot of people know me because of how long I’ve been there. Onbhorde and alliance
sand egret
that's really weird, cuz my alt is in Goldshire looking for pals on your server saying "IM FRIENDS WITH RIKI BE MY PAL" and no one is answering.
lusty grotto
pals are hard to find
exotic spoke
Yeah you’re in pornshire
They don’t know me as Riki there
sand egret
I think I saw a 4 stack once
lusty grotto
listen mwahi, i aint no nerd i aint watching
exotic spoke
I honestly don’t know - but I feel that no matter what the answer is I’m about to get bitch slapped Mwahi
lusty grotto
yeah ive deffo seen 4 though
sand egret
inb4 Mwahi's "I just got 22 and one shot this mob"
exotic spoke
I know I’ve capped on necrotic three times in a singlenpull
sick sentinel
should i play classic? @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
okay i'll help then
sand egret
ToS don't count foo
warm plinth
Riki fucking obsessed with ToS gauntlet
lusty grotto
no idea weep
warm plinth
And Necrotic
sand egret
right?
exotic spoke
@ionic fern if I have multiple BFI can 1 shield slam trigger multiple BFI? I assume so not sure
sand egret
that's ezpz
sick sentinel
pls don't call me that : (
lusty grotto
you are forever weep
sand egret
no riki
exotic spoke
@warm plinth I’m going for capping necrotic 4 times next necrotic week
sick sentinel
that's not very nice
sand egret
it's one stack but the additive damage and block values
exotic spoke
Also, fuck you it counts Blade
sand egret
but a single charge
only if you chain those 99s into the boss
just really ignore that pain
exotic spoke
Last boss ain’t no thang
sand egret
oh yeah
exotic spoke
But we shroud there so no way I could chain that necrotic there without wasting time
exotic spoke
Can I stack my group and what key level?
I can envision a scenario where a healer isn’t needed for that fight at all
Probably could do it on 11/12
Also @sand egret what are the stakes
exotic spoke
I have several scenarios in my mind where this could work.
Oof! Are you going to take that @sand egret
lusty grotto
