With the asterisk of "and you expect to be taking blockable damage"
#protection
supple path
exotic spoke
@sacred bear pretty much same as three tanking. Grats - you get to solo tank her after the bubble soaker dies
winter swan
ill take all critisism and advice !
exotic spoke
Is what I understand
Westan, my approach is that if we fix your rotation issues you’ll be able to swap to more offensive options elsewhere and pick up the dps that other tanks can do
winter swan
that would be great
some pople say to use more revenges and some sy only use when its free dumping all excess into IP whats the best option ?
red wedge
if you're dying, don't use revenge as much
use free revenges, and then only if you feel you can spare the rage
exotic spoke
^^
red wedge
always keep enough for shield block
winter swan
only fight i have trouble with is za qul as out blood dk insists on main tanking and its hard to stay up
the dk i tank with is awesome but taking his giant hits as magic as a rot warrior is tough
red wedge
Yea. It should be the other way around.
sacred bear
Hmm is it worth for dps to soak for 2 shield strat
exotic spoke
To let you not die like a bitch
red wedge
i mean. you as MT will take less overall damage. So it's less damage to both of you in general.
winter swan
thats what i thought
sacred bear
Is tank swapping and all that a pain while soaking with 2 tanks
exotic spoke
She doesn’t hit hard. The extra damage going to thwbraid isn’t worth It conceptually I believe
I’m working on ashvane now and easily take 3-4 stacks of barnacle
red wedge
Hmm.. Think the effect on azshara's pants are worth 5 ilvl?
sacred bear
hmm this sounds interesting, so we can just tank swap way later then whenever they're free
would it be better to isolate all the stacks on one tank or split it between the two
strong forum
You can take 5 stacks easily too
Just make sure to have block up
And be healthy ofc
warm plinth
@red wedge I would say possibly; they don't sacrifice secondaries to gain the effect, but you'd probably have to sim to be sure.
exotic spoke
I would imagine you sac the other tank just like with three tanks.
He takes rounds 1, 3,4 and stays up as long as possible - which shouldn’t be long
strong forum
We ressed our 2nd tank during burn cuz nobody else died and its free dps
exotic spoke
But I could be wrong and yeah^^
warm plinth
And it depends on how many allies are going to be around you frequently; if you're gonna have 5 melee next to you it's probably not
strong forum
Our 2nd tank only took 3rd 4th and 5th wave
warm plinth
Since it splits
strong forum
So he had 13-16 stacks
exotic spoke
It greatly reduces the raid damage so they can bomb heals on him during it
Who took first? Just durable dps?
exotic spoke
Ahh kk
strong forum
I took 1, maybe 2
exotic spoke
Healers cause leech amirite?
strong forum
Ye
Healers heal themself the most
So it's the easiest way
1 stack they can perfectly outheal
2 stacks are the dicey part
Then we have DHs / warlocks / hunters assigned to the rest soaks
On 1st shield
2nd shield is tank + helpers
exotic spoke
You break after second set of bubbles?
strong forum
Mid
exotic spoke
Ahh so they take a couple close ones and it pops
strong forum
Middle of 2nd bubbles
strong forum
Big bubble and 1 small go through to boss
If you're better at dps you can skip soaking 2nd wave entirely
And during 2nd shield you want only 3 waves of bubbles
4th is a wipe
Or you need giga brains
To manage the pops
lunar jackal
Guys i have a 445 edicts. According to wowhead this is worse than a 415 prism
Is it really?
Defensively speaking of course
warm plinth
It actually says a 445 is worse than a 415? Or it just says Edicts is worse than Prism?
warm plinth
Hm
lusty grotto
the guide we recommend is icy veins
lunar jackal
I serioisly doubt it
frigid heart
Who should mt zaqul with monk/warrior
analog swift
@strong forum sorry catching up did y'all 2 phase?
lusty grotto
that is of course if marok is writing the wowhead one again and i missed something
lunar jackal
Idk why i bother with guides i always end up asking here anyway
prisma crane
tbh i'd use edicts where the fight makes sense for it
warm plinth
I'm not sure that it's even a comparable situation tbh. Edicts and Prism are pretty different, even among defensive trinkets.
prisma crane
ramped damage, exclusive magic dmg problems, etc
lunar jackal
No it was written by llarold
strong forum
yes we did theseus
lusty grotto
who
analog swift
trying to swap to the 2 phase strat i think that's the go to with more gear
lusty grotto
😂
strong forum
we had like 437 overall ilvl
analog swift
as in
like the 2 phase strat is much more common than it was before
did y'all hold 1:30s for shell break?
exotic spoke
Also, @lunar jackal it doesn’t say its worse - it says it isn’t a significant upgrade
But it doesn’t quantify what is considered significant
sharp abyss
Y'all I have a 425 vers haste ring and a 430 vers haste ring should I drop the n 425 for a 440 crit vers ring
And should I enchant haste or crit to it
exotic spoke
Yes. And that depends on what you need delithvian
warm plinth
Yes, you should use the 440 over the 425. As far as what you enchant, sim it or use haste defensively.
sharp abyss
Idk i feel liek i do fine dps and survivability wise
warm plinth
If you're fine survivability-wise, no reason not to go for more damage
exotic spoke
Then if you don’t need more survivability go for damage. This is likely going to be crit but you could also sim your character to find out
prisma crane
man, maybe i'm just weird, but i feel like every time i've checked stat weights haste has been better than crit for dmg
lusty grotto
thats because it usually is
prisma crane
meanwhile people say likely crit
lusty grotto
haste gives out plenty of benefits
analog swift
@exotic spoke respond to me on reddit
lusty grotto
including the often overlooked hastening of deep wound ticks
warm plinth
Yeah haste is typically better for me as well, though I'm lower ilevel than most of you
lusty grotto
yup
carmine light
What dungeons should I focus magic damage reduction
prisma crane
ML
exotic spoke
I hate you Theseus
Lol
@analog swift there I responded
Also - you realize I’m at work and I have delays lol
analog swift
i feel better
dude same
btw i think ur profile pic is like a black and brown dog everytime i look at it
exotic spoke
It’s.... a... fucking... panda
Were your dps bitching at you for not intervening them?
But yeah it fits my name on other games / sites etc
oblique garnet
Im starting to like azhara again 8)
lusty grotto
go away late
ancient tartan
So long question for you all
oblique garnet
😦
ancient tartan
So I have enough residium to buy a 3rd 445 azerite piece (random). Its either going to be a chest or helm but my question is which one is more worth the random roll. My helm is currently a 435 but has my only available deafening crash trait and has bastion of might, whereas my chest is 445 with brace for impact and iron fortress. Basically should I try to reroll better chest traits and keep the helm, or should I try to upgrade the helm to 445 for the ilvl increase and just hope it has deafening crash again? Any opinions?
exotic spoke
Do you raid mythic / are you planning on in the near future
lusty grotto
id like to think he passed out from writing that wall of text
exotic spoke
chip
ancient tartan
Lol I had anxiety about posting that much haha
exotic spoke
Just like Stewart
exotic spoke
a joke
lusty grotto
go for 445s dont reroll
ancient tartan
Might dabble in mythic but it would only be the first few
exotic spoke
Personally, is random roll a helm then. I ask because there’s one off an early boss that is solid.
After that I’d save and buy specific s
The second boss (radiance) is a fucking joke and falls over.
I think that’s the helm. If not it’s one of the first three
ancient tartan
Ok that makes sense, thanks!
lusty grotto
really depends on server/guild
exotic spoke
Yup - but if he might dabble then just go for helm. It’ll be a bit before he does probably
lusty grotto
if you have a chance to pug the mythic bosses (or do them with your guild)
im personally not bothering
lord knows if there are any groups forming in my server
exotic spoke
Good luck pugging them on a server like mine
ancient tartan
Well the advice worked...got a 445 helm with deafening and bastion lol
lusty grotto
gz!
cinder fjord
Hey everyone - I'm pretty new to prot but I just got a 440 Merektha's fang from my cache. I'm using a 410 vial of animated blood and a 420 version of the Remote Guidance Device from Mechagon. Should I replace either of these w/ the Merektha's?
bright inlet
this may be a dumb question
but what are the stats weight for prot
i have 1476 haste is vers the next best stat
lusty grotto
there are no stat weights
carmine light
What add ins do you guys use for interrupts
lusty grotto
weak auras
exotic spoke
Doesn’t chest only have like two options with BoM?
sick sentinel
Three?
lusty grotto
fierce lark
should I bother with going for rf vs scheming? got the ashvane warden's chest and kraken shell shoulders
rf is simming about 300 dps higher in st
sand egret
i think scheming is dope
but RF is a ST parse trait
so seems to me that it comes down to what content are ya doing? min/maxing a ST fight? or just in general stuff? (raids/m+)
tawny maple
Waiting for 200k residue feels bad man
fierce lark
mostly a mix of the two, though I haven't been running anything harder than a 15 or heroic raids
lusty grotto
youre not gonna go RF for m+
sand egret
i'd prob go scheming in your shoes
lusty grotto
its a no go
fierce lark
I figured I'd go for scheming so I can just not swap for keys
sand egret
unless you're really trying to optimize a ST fight, scheming is way more versatile
west kayak
I have Ashvane and use scheming.
Gonna try CoF/VoP for tonight's raid. I tried swapping them around and lost 1k dps, granted that was single target.
exotic spoke
I... indespise you for getting both of those - likely from random rolls
Holy fuck that’s lucky
pine slate
for pre pots are we using empowered prox on trash pulls and unbridled ST? or greater strength
warm plinth
Unbridled on ST. Proximity is dynamic so if you’re gonna have shit dying at different times it’s less good.
pine slate
gotcha
fierce lark
I get good azerite pieces, but no trinkets whatsoever
haven't ever seen a rezan's drop even once on the warrior, and all of my trinkets I do have are still 415
vernal stirrup
I feel you brother
exotic spoke
I’ll trade you my 430 gore, urchin, 435 vial, and some other stuff for your chest :)
Cause that’s how this works right!?
vestal edge
so my one azerite ring choice is ruinous bolt or callous reprisal. i want to pick bolt for damage but it literally constantly pulls shi
obtuse venture
whats your pick for m+ tanking
vestal edge
shit
id probably run butcher and eye
i wish i had the butcher block. i had a 440 vial and today i got a 445 vial -.-
and i was even in furty spec
exotic spoke
Rezan and butcher easy
vernal stirrup
@vestal edge they fixed bolt pulling stuff
I've been using it this patch no problem
lofty widget
assuming equal ilvl which is better, rezans or the block?
regal knoll
So I did manage to do Operation Mechagon, was still 402, but managed to complete it. Only rly had problems with the last boss, didnt wipe on the other bosses though, got King M in 4 tries 😄
warm plinth
Congrats
jagged bay
gz
broken isle
Bloodsport vs. 2nd deafening smash. I mostly do 10 keys so leaning towards extra clap dmg
warm plinth
2nd DC
regal knoll
Cheers, got my essence 🙂
wooden moat
Hey guys! I was wondering; Is Vision of perfection Rank 1 worth running? Most guides recommend that one for your major power but with rank one I barely have time to get off 2 thunderclaps before it runs out again
should I replace it with something else until I can get rank 2 or is it stil BiS?
warm plinth
You should at least run it as a minor
wooden moat
Oh yeah for sure! 😃 Was just thinking if there is maybe a better essence for the major
warm plinth
What content are you doing?
wooden moat
Myhtic+ mostly
warm plinth
Could do anima this week if you want. Pretty spicy damage.
shut summit
wish anima was smaller CD
lusty grotto
same
wooden moat
true
warm plinth
Same
wooden moat
Sometimes when I'm feeling extra spicy I pop Last Stand and Rallying Cry and then pop Anima 😄
Ez 60k aoe damage XD
warm plinth
Sang quake fort
sand egret
Imagine if anima was half the cooldown and half the effect. I'd love that shit tbh
sand egret
i'd disagree with that
novel temple
Wait does avatar and demo increase the damage?
exotic spoke
I can’t have rallying cry up every time for it though. Half of them are going to be smaller
warm plinth
Nope
lusty grotto
no
exotic spoke
Nope
sand egret
iiinteresting
warm plinth
It’s whitelisted just like Ava
lusty grotto
only LS and Rallying
sand egret
RnT does
warm plinth
Druids don’t do enough damage on their own so they need all the help they can get 😉
novel temple
Buff prot war great again
warm plinth
Jkjk
exotic spoke
Still great 😃
sand egret
dont make me....
warm plinth
Schism on disc priest works on cyclo
exotic spoke
Acceptable
warm plinth
Just the whitelisted ones don’t. AW on pally doesn’t either
novel temple
Like let ignore pain stack to three times it’s amount again
lusty grotto
n o
novel temple
W h y
lusty grotto
because fuck ip legion kiddie spammers
sand egret
🍿
exotic spoke
Legion was fun imo - but that’s opinion based and pointless to go into
lusty grotto
there are a million better things from legion
novel temple
If I use ignore pain without over capping
warm plinth
I mean, I’d be down with IP going back to how it was % wise just because it’d get consumed faster and would be overcapped less
novel temple
You’re right, like the Antorus set bonus that made shield slam have no CD
warm plinth
Don’t need the cap increase though really
exotic spoke
You know what my favorite time in terms of meme builds for Warriors?
warm plinth
Focused Rage?
exotic spoke
Nah; older
novel temple
The arms/prot build from wrath?
exotic spoke
Like - way older
warm plinth
Glad spec 😏
exotic spoke
Older Rolly
exotic spoke
Say what?
warm plinth
You were already beyond my warrior experience as soon as we hit wod
exotic spoke
Don’t I dare what rolly
warm plinth
Didn’t touch the class til Legion
novel temple
I think I know what you’re gonna say
exotic spoke
End of TBC when dual wield arms was king.
novel temple
But I was trying to be funny
exotic spoke
Fastest 1 handers possible
exotic spoke
Nah, end of TBC - dual wielding the fastest one handed swords you could find in arms spec
true plover
For m+ would you guys gamble for 445 helm or chest first? I am using the HM Mechagon helm and the Dark Passenger's chest.
exotic spoke
Because of two different set bonuses
novel temple
This is why I want talent trees back mixed with legion
Wait
I thought dual wielding prot also worked until they changed devastate
exotic spoke
On it was ducking stupid. 1 button rotation and double the dps. 3 buttons if bored
novel temple
Cause I don’t remember the dual wield arms one
sand egret
ya know what, I lied. RnT doesn't affect Anima (seemed dumb if it didn't work for Demo, so it tested it). Knew it was too good to be true
exotic spoke
It was the introduction of sudden death combined with two different sets that buffed execute. And all you did was charge in - blade storm and then spam esecuteball fight basically
exotic spoke
You did like 2.5x the dps Of the next closest person
Was only for the prepatch to WotLk when it didn’t matter
novel temple
But I wanna watch for the memes
sand egret
i remember that shit
exotic spoke
I don’t think I had a video. I’ll ask the other warrior if he has one
novel temple
Sweet
warm plinth
Aren’t you already?
warm plinth
Not really. Though to some folks any criticism is toxicity
lusty grotto
literally had adds on the boss @ orzagoa
i wasn't even talking to hium
6 fucking minute fight smh
warm plinth
I mean you did say tanks :p
exotic spoke
Fuck - I can’t remember what the thing was that made it so your executes did damage as if they had more rage back then
Was it a talent
stoic pilot
From protection channel to gossip girl real quick
undone sun
👀
stoic pilot
What rage
lusty grotto
sudden death @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
ah, fair enough.
I thought that was just the proc
Lets see what the chest of disappointment brings today
And I have 445 bracers... That I already am wearing.
regal knoll
Just got that Anima, Rank 3 is all dungeons level 10 or higher, rank 4, level 15 or higher?
lusty grotto
r4 is just time all 15s
(the achievement)
r3 doesn't have an achievement
i can't recall what it was but im pretty sure it has to do with the weekly chest
regal knoll
Ahhhh I think you collect these things, 15 or something....and you can make it
lusty grotto
yea
regal knoll
Not sure I will get r4, will try, not a pro tank 😄 but first let me get higher than 404 😄 just tanked a +5, went well....don't think I wanna try necrotic yet
Since I just started, for first mintor (55) I would choose the Lucid Dreams on, seems fairly good
Isnt that Dynamo one useful as well?
merry bane
so is OP still a strong talent for prot?
warm plinth
Overwhelming Power? Yes.
sullen flame
435 chest has IF, Bastion, OP, Resounding or the 450 chest which has Brace, IF, Lifespeed, Resounding. Which would you go with for keys? Im leaning toward the 435 for the bastion
warm plinth
@regal knoll what other essences do you have?
regal knoll
Essences I got are: 1. Anima 2. Lucid Dreams 3. Crucible 4. Vision ....problem with Dynamo is......that would mean a 3rd time getting all that Mechagon rep, and I honestly don't feel like doing that a 3rd time 😄
I do that on my healer atm, basically his best essences are all Mech/Naz/Naz follower rep
merry bane
oh my I found a 405 helm in my bags. Helm of Abyssal Malevolence. I currently have a 415 Sea Bralwers GReat Helm
warm plinth
If you only have one essence slot, use vision
merry bane
the helm is 10 ilevels lower but has amazing traits
regal knoll
Am using that now yeah
Didnt do Mechagon today for nothing haha 😄 Can't believe i pulled that off, expected to be kicked after a wipe, first wipe we had in that run was the last boss 😄
Would think Lucid Dreams is one of the better minor to choose when I get to 55
merry bane
I was reading what you guys are putting for Azerites. I have Main as Vision, and my minor as Anima
regal knoll
I honestly like the chance on 50% rage return 😄
sterile mantle
neat harbor
guys is it just me or does Conflict and strife seem amazing for M+?
since the proc from thunderstruck constantly gives you double vers
just realized this somehow
merry bane
so what do we go with now> Naga Hide or Force Multiplier
fiunally gort a high enough weapon to upgrade the enchant
sick sentinel
how long does the maintenance(like on EU) last? the weekly one
neat harbor
so vision of perfection looks pretty fucking annoying to farm eh
also really weird, I killed him twice and never even got the rank 1 essence.
🤦
lunar jackal
hey guys if im trying to maximise dps (on our normal runs i outgear the content by a lot. we farm it to gear new recruits) when do i use cylco blast?
neat harbor
that trinket is probably not very good from a pure tanking point of view due to the lack for actual STR on it would be my guess
but, if its all youve got then you should aim to use it on CD probably
whenever you dont have to mitigate
only situations that you wouldnt use on CD that i cna think of would be like on ashvane prog
and then you would just use it once her shield is down
lunar jackal
i dont plan on using it on progression its just for flexing on outgeared content
novel temple
@Bladesong#6216 it’s always a strange time for warriors, we’re paying the cost of vanilla still
mighty gulch
Scheming x 2 crash x1 or
Crash x2 scheming x1
for mythic plus
(I already have bastion of might x3)
pls help
bloodmallet says scheming does more dps for aoe than crash
sacred roost
where would the rank 3 alchemy trinket fit in either fury or protection spec, as far as trinkets go?
willow fractal
so i have a 440 wep and shield is it better to open my weekly chest and at the end of m+ dung as fury loot spec?
quiet relic
Storm bolt or rumbling easrth for mythic plus?
mighty gulch
storm bolt
i use it as an interupt or to keep certain targets marked for death still so i can move the others out of sanguine
fickle urchin
whats like the tpyical choice of essence major for m+, the aoe snare?
mighty gulch
i use vision of perfection and lucid
warm plinth
No definitely not. Vision, CoF or Anima typically for major.
sick sentinel
what do you guys think about chain of suffering?
fickle urchin
i m running snare major, magic absorb and the rage refund
sick sentinel
from zaqul
warm plinth
The snare major is useless to a tank that doesn’t need to kite
obtuse venture
neck level 64. 1 level then it can fuck right off forever
warm plinth
The minor is good for the stat
fickle urchin
i got some value out of the snare this reset at least
i dont tank much, but... eh. I found it very nice on necrotic
willow scarab
@lunar jackal Use it on the pull if the fight is 2:05-2:30 in duration, if the fight is 2:30-3:00 use it after your avatar burst
With a 2 minutes cooldown you want to be maximizing how many you get in a fight
Whixh boss is that riki
that's a really good blackwater parse
fickle urchin
council
exotic spoke
yeah council
fickle urchin
when raid tanking do you guys like stack 3 RF or something. I dont get how people get such high ST as prot.
waxen cradle
Need a opinion guys I have 3 445 Azerite pieces, all 3 have BoM on them which of course I am wearing as it gives me BoMx3 so that being said how worthwhile would it be to random roll other pieces with slightly better traits compared to saving up
willow scarab
the 3 RF is purely for ST dps and isn't good at all defensively
I would start rolling for specific gear if that was my azerite situation
warm plinth
I mean if you have BoM already might as well save for specifics
willow scarab
get arms/pvp stuff, get ST dps stuff etc
exotic spoke
But yeah, still dont have amazing traits on helm
Court was a 3:48 pull. My simmed dps is 30K on single target so I padded a little on sparks / with CoF and only have 2 majors
willow scarab
always pad on sparks if you want a good log
if your sim is 30k ST you'll end up around 32k with spark pad + deep wounds/cof dot on the off target from switches
exotic spoke
I fucked blackwater. didnt have devastator
willow scarab
in a perfect setting
i did the entire heroic run with paralytic barb macrod into avatar
we fuck these logs together
exotic spoke
Heroic* doing Mythic after wards so Ill try again
Yeah boyyyyy
blackwater
with BV cause im an idiot
willow scarab
99 it on mythic
i believe in the dream
without a dream's end / good trinkets / having more than 1 piece of good azerite there's no way i'm getting any more rank 1s for a while
I've only got 3 more 100s to get on heroic for a clean slate so i'm praying i get lucky on crits or something this week
I love boss tanking orgozoa 🙂
fickle urchin
the icy veins guide needs a "tips for parsing" section on how to maximize ST dmg.
like, it just flat out says "dont use devastator"
willow scarab
it also has the wrong enchant listed and was made by a tank who uses vop/lucid to raid
It's designed for baby prot warriors
vernal stirrup
if someone is reading a guide they don't need to know how to parse well
they need to know how to not die
undone sun
IV and WH guides are meant to be focused more towards beginners
ideally if you're going for damage, a guide wont do much
willow scarab
Your best resource for damage is looking through logs
lethal plaza
Hey, so what's the play for farming spare parts/crates? need 25 more.
willow scarab
are you rich?
exotic spoke
I died on orgoza - ticked out down stairs. It was karma for saying "tanks dont die unless someone fucks up"
PArsing is playing well, being geared well, knowing where to pad / how to pad, and a little having short kill times. hoping it gets better in mythic when we dont have some carries
west kayak
I got a 430 Phial from Radiance. Not really pulling the dps that Bloodmallet and others are saying...
lethal plaza
so the recycle thing is the best is what you're saying for spare parts
exotic spoke
It was looking really good too. 29656 dps before phase change
willow fractal
which 2 trinkets do yall think are best to use for tanking mythic ep...which 2 for the first 3 bosses we have on ez farm and our prog is ashvane
lethal plaza
I'd just sim it for whichever does best dps
exotic spoke
if you need survivability I'd go urchin + gore. If you dont (which they are on easy farm and even ashvane you may want the dps - depending on your raid) I'd sim it.
a balanced is 1 defensive and 1 offensive
willow fractal
kk ty for the advice guys
floral sphinx
Man I’m here trying to get these trinket dropped lol
willow scarab
If it makes you feel any better - he's only got 2 trinkets worth using
the rest are scrap
willow fractal
which 2 are those?
willow scarab
urchin and goreblock
exotic spoke
yeah you right
getting better on sivara - 96% overall
had to leap to save someone 😦
clear pawn
Which trinkets are you guys using for m+ ? sticking to primarily defensive or is anyone running phial + urchin?
graceful cobalt
hey there give it a good guid or video for all M+ instance for Prot warrior season 3?
novel temple
@willow scarab what Essence’s would you use for raiding?
willow scarab
CoF major, null minor then worldvein/conflict rank 3 second minor
Or undying gift major, same minors on bosses that you're dying to
The only fight I'd use vop for is zaqul
winter skiff
is it worth paring overclocking bit band and logic loop of maintenace
435 and 415 ring those r
over 430 seal of regal loa and charged sandstone band
435 ring
warm plinth
Are you talking about the combo that gives haste if you use 3 different spells?
winter skiff
it says this if you activate an ability while your health is below 50% then you gain 172 haste for 15 sec
what is considered an ability?
warm plinth
I wouldn't sacrifice anything for that combo
Shouldn't be falling below 50% often enough to make it worth it
If you get the other ring that makes it happen when you use 3 different spells, then you can lose a little ilevel for it
warm plinth
What I see when I join a random guild on my new war lol
warm plinth
Just once a week
For loot anyway; you can run it as many times as you want if you don't care about loot
exotic spoke
join shithoof ghas
sick sentinel
i wish gearing tanks was as simple as dps
exotic spoke
ghash* - i'll get you a guild invite
sick sentinel
i have same idea in my guild tanks oh i get this this is bis forever now
warm plinth
lol I'm on horde and on Tich
sick sentinel
edicts is a really good defensive trinket tho i find it really useful in m+
warm plinth
I never said it was a bad trinket; it's definitely not a best in slot trinket though
sick sentinel
well is that even a thing as a tank
warm plinth
And if I were going for two trinkets, it wouldn't be those two
sick sentinel
tbh bis stuff is kinda old now with TF and socket procs
except 2 benthic pieces which is broken
exotic spoke
I mean they are good defensive trinkets
sick sentinel
other then that you just sim or try it
warm plinth
For the most part, yeah. But there are still things worth shooting for in the content you're doing
sick sentinel
i wouldnt use any defensive if im doing 15s
exotic spoke
I will consistently swap trinkets around depending on content
warm plinth
Just thought it was funny that they're spending their coins and shit to get those over other things
warm plinth
Yeah, again not saying either trinket is bad; they're both good defensive trinkets
sick sentinel
see what can i do
exotic spoke
I mean I wouldnt either - vial and gore - cause I dont have better
warm plinth
But given the rarity of needing a defensive trinket, they would not be my first choice.
hardy mesa
Is Inkpods any good in M+?
regal knoll
Morning folks 🙂 Yet another question 😄 ....regarding the first boss of Temple. I am trying to understand what that fight is about from a tank's perspective. Can't rly figure it out completely, but I want to give that place a go after today's reset.
vernal stirrup
I just avoid temple entirely tbh
I don't like any of the bosses and some of the trash is Bleh imo
but that's just me probably
regal knoll
Fair point, it's my least fav. dungeon 😄 Also for DPS, but I hate that intermission....and I heard that intermission also triggers necrotic? That's just bad tbh
They have fine tuned necrotic a bit, but e.g. those minions at the start of KR still trigger it. It's easy to avoid though, but groups I was in, just killed them and well....we died 🙂 . But that intermission, imo that is, shouldn't trigger necrotic. Last boss is also annoying, but I always try to challenge myself, even if that's doing content that annoys me, like ToS 😄
grand drum
dodge cyclone strikes, kick the casts
novel temple
@willow scarab why would you consider vop not a dps essence?
grand drum
its much easier after the first boss imo
willow scarab
@novel temple Because the other options are significantly better
regal knoll
Is there any addon btw that shows what type of dmg is incoming (Physical/Magical) ?
sick sentinel
Hello, pls, can smbd send me link where can i watch the latest mdi?
I believe it was August... 11 or 12
But cant find it anywherw
Or some prot war channel on YouTube to watch for pulling and etc.
Or was it just arenas in August?
strong forum
Just check the warcfaft twitch channel? Pretty sure the vods exist
undone sun
Not until it already hits you, you could and should use warcraft logs for that @regal knoll
spice ferry
id be surprised if they even speak to them
rapid tide
Just tell them the name 🤷
Not like they gonna contact them to get your resumee.
And if they do then ye: You parted on bad terms
Shit happens.
Unless you are trying to get into a top 10 guild I doubt people will do a thorough background check on you 😄
And in all honesty, it's just like jobs: You parted on bad terms, noone cares, they want you for being good at the job.
sick sentinel
I don't know if it's good or anything but they said they are working on either hc za q or queen
rapid tide
The only thing that might be is that there is a question "got some bad feedback on you, what you sayin'" and you can truthfully answer there was bad blood from both sides and it's fine.
HC Za'Q?
And they even ask for your previous guild?
wat.
I mean not like they could just check your char at wlogs and see it anyways.
But... why? :' )
sick sentinel
I mean low pop server, but yeah i just gotta stop worrying about the past
balmy cargo
Is it linked to the Titans?
ionic fern
o.o
balmy cargo
It kind of makes my character look like a Titan.
Grown bigger, stone looking.
Does it have any connection to it lorewise?
rapid tide
It channels your inner {insertrace}liness.
sick sentinel
I always run storm bolt because i remember how cool and op it was in wc3
rapid tide
In lore it's basically related to channeling the power of a deity.
I don't think there is a specific flavor to it for Prot warriors as off now.
Back in WC3 it was Mountain King ultimate.
So something dwarven in nature probably.
balmy cargo
It would be epic if my character would somehow take the form of a titan in battle.
I like this.
sick sentinel
Avatar has it's roots from mountain king hero units ultimate ability and turned him into a literal God for few seconds
rapid tide
Not neccessarily titans.
balmy cargo
Aren't the Titans the only story gods?
😮
Besides the Old Gods or something, these huge monsters.
rapid tide
I would say there is no canon avatar of {sth} that the Warrior's ability is linked to.
For Rp reasons you could probably flavor it to be the avatar of whatever you want.
Aggramar, Golganneth, hell, Ragnaros if you like that
balmy cargo
Nice!
sick sentinel
For a while I was a dwarf then did for lore sake. Stone form was really good too
rapid tide
🤷
sick sentinel
Started as human yhough, called him herpedmyderp cuz joke was that warriors get +0 int
balmy cargo
Haha nice, I also made a human warrior.
I only wanted one main and thought Human would be most fit if I chose Alliance.
sick sentinel
This was before asmon started his stream too, mid cata i started him
Now i call him zedek after a warrior from the game hexen
amber surge
meticulous scheming or 2 DC 🤔
ionic fern
MS + 1 DC.
amber surge
thank you very much
strong forum
If you can pick MS always pick MS.
never pick a 2nd DC or even 3rd DC
cold crater
how much versa should I be looking for
current rings are more dps
but i feel like im low on versa
so im not too sure
strong forum
Take the 430 and 450
Never take a ring without haste, you have no goal of how much %vers you want
cold crater
Sounds good, thanks.
strong forum
BTW that 450 is disgusting
cold crater
yeah lmao
void berry
Hey bois !
A bit late to the party, but my co tank (monk) is telling me the benthic gloves are nice and provide HPS worth the loss of ilvl. BS or no BS ?
ionic fern
Benthic gear is only used to increase your DPS.
If you're wanting to go more defensive then use ilvl.
void berry
And more offensive => benthic ?
I got the tankiness for our Ashvane fight, all we really need is DPS.
ionic fern
In general certain pieces of benthic gear out perform higher ilvl pieces DPS wise yes.
In general tho...playing your class correctly will give you a bigger DPS increase than benthic.
Not sure how's you class knowledge etc. : )
void berry
I'm really average. Started not too long ago. Doesn't stop me from dealing damage tho, what I have to improve on is HPS.
(Like, obviously I deal damage I have 3*RF)
oblique garnet
how much dps are you doing ?
ionic fern
Why are you aiming for HPS as a protection warrior?
You should be mitigating damage not healing it up.
mint imp
Dont listen what other ppl are telling you if they never played warrior lol
rapid tide
^
regal knoll
When you speak of benthic armor, you refer to the azerite pieces only?
autumn pendant
mint imp
350 pearls for upgrade 415->430ilvl?
reef hollow
so i see people on the logs using reckless flurry is that a thing ? since it says fury only?
mint imp
yea it works, you just have to switch to fury to select that trait and then back to prot
ionic fern
@void berry you might wanna take Devastator for ST fights for more DPS.
void berry
That's what I usually do.
Feels like I lack rage on Ashvane tho to keep IP up enough when needed.
ionic fern
When do you actually "need" it?
void berry
By usually I mean what I did last time :kappa:
When we get the bubbles explosions + crush I take a big hit
ionic fern
I'm not sure what your strat is..we had me on the boss most of the time and the co-tank was soaking orbs and did a taunt here and then to reset my stacks.
So i had boss for 80% of the time.
ionic fern
Oh, then there shouldn't be any problems at all surviving. o.o
You can even delay DS for that if you're using Devastator instead of BV.
And remember that you can get out of Briny Bubbles with Berserker rage.
ionic fern
Demo shout
void berry
Oh, sure
cinder roost
Use SR when your tank is soaking back to back
And make sure to always have block up for the smash, there's not a lot of moments you should be at danger, just use CDs during those burst
regal knoll
Will try and tank Ep myself, tend to watch tank guides from this dude, really like his vids myself, he's a DK though. Ashvane is also on the menu
left turret
Hey guys most of people are suggesting me to go for monk tank but when i check https://mplus.subcreation.net/ for statics i see warriors are top tank always
What is your opinion about that ?
pastel holly
monk is good, warr is good - take what you want
left turret
Both classes has their unique power and disadvantages but for high tanking is warrior better ?
spice ferry
are you currently playing at a high level?
ionic fern
No idea what that is.
Any tank can do most key levels.
If you're looking to min-max then warrior is the "favourite" atm due to our damage output/short CD's and mitigation.
left turret
Monk is okay also but i feel it has no defensive cooldown
spice ferry
stagger is its defensive
left turret
Only stagger and 1 cooldown with 7 min cd
ionic fern
Monk IS a big defensive CD.
😒
"only stagger"
.Smh.
That's like the dream mitigation any tank wishes for.
😂
left turret
😄
But stagger doesnt remove damage just delay it
So healer must heal all of the damage right ?
floral bolt
no they can clear stagger dmg
ionic fern
Also - the damage intake is smooth enough so the healers have enough time to heal it up without having to panic.
spice ferry
its more important to play a spec you enjoy rather than warrior or monk
like if you've narrowed it down to those two, pick whatever appears more
left turret
Monk is very fun to tank actually
spice ferry
because they both perform very well in all forms of pve content atm
spice ferry
monk can definitely pump, just not a warrior
left turret
Okay thanks for info guys
mystic pilot
pls try and stem by tears and tell me getting a Razdunk's big red button isn't so terrible
cinder pasture
Could be worse 😛
mystic pilot
what's the best residuum slot to roll for 445?
spice ferry
the one with you have the worst piece in
rapid tide
If you already have BiS 445.
Why not just save 200k and buy a potential minor upgrade?
tacit perch
Should I keep my current weapon or go for the 440 weapon from the cache? I think the utility makes my current weapon far better but not sure if I should prioritize the 10% damage reduction over the tiny dps increase.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446770629497192448/613677795863691264/unknown.png
Sorry if this is the wrong channel.
mental crag
I gambled 445 and got fury ones instead 😔
ionic fern
Jep, ilvl is the correct way to go. 10% every 2m for 15s is pretty meh.
Also - use either Force Multiplier or Quick Nav instead of Naga hide as a enchant. Both of them are more valuable for prot warriors.
tacit perch
Ah okay, thank you all !
rapid tide
You're welcome 🙂
mystic pilot
ok so how dumb would this be, i'm 1k residuum short so can scrap my 430 chest to get the 445 upgrade. how bad will it be if i dont get a BoM?
ionic fern
I believe - do it.
rapid tide
Ilvl > BoM imho.
rapid tide
Then again I would just keep the 430 and roll next id 🤷
ionic fern
That's the boring way of doing things @rapid tide
mystic pilot
it's scrapped
mystic pilot
big rolls boys let's go
rapid tide
then next id with new residuum get the 430 back with item restore
ionic fern
😂
ionic fern
Cmon, don't leave us hanging @mystic pilot
mental crag
I ran into a 442 Prot today. His gear was disgusting
rapid tide
Ye, BfI IF is okay.
ionic fern
Nah.
rapid tide
It's definitely not what you want
But it's okay 😄
It's really good for Fury tho.
SR + CSHB
mystic pilot
well its better for survivability i guess
mystic pilot
dont worry
i got a 445 Big Red Button
ill use that instead of a defensive trinket
rapid tide
Uff.
ionic fern
rapid tide
I would not use that over a 400 rezan's even
mystic pilot
dont even have a 400 rezans XDD
strong forum
Imagine not being 444 equipped smh
rapid tide
440 😦
rapid tide
But I get another 445 azerite today and maybe finally drop another in raid tmrw.
strong forum
Benthic
rapid tide
So that would be 442.
sick sentinel
I gots 445 bags
rapid tide
Dang.
rapid tide
But do you have 3 BoM 2 MS 1 DC?
rapid tide
Dang 😄
mystic pilot
i hate you
rapid tide
😄
sick sentinel
strong forum
1rf 1x BfI 1x if 1x rng 1x DC 1x SS here
rapid tide
uff
strong forum
Ah 1st boss
rapid tide
tbf I would probably take 435 with BoM MS over a 445 with... that :' )
strong forum
That's a shit chest
Mine has BfI + if
Not terrible but it's not good either
Can't wait to not get any azerite today either
rapid tide
tbf, as long as I don't have CR I am kinda fine with everything.
rapid tide
Agreed.
strong forum
Like they did with reinforced plating
strong forum
But then again, bdk has only 1 useful trait that you only want 1 of, and they haven't changed shit
strong forum
Yup
mental crag
Is it commonly known that high ilevel fury warriors do competitive damage, or is not the case for some people?
strong forum
Fury is the highest dps in EP rn
rapid tide
"competitive damage"
strong forum
If you have a fury that doesn't top meters, he sucks
mental crag
mental crag
What about m+?
rapid tide
It's amazing for m+ 😮
strong forum
Fury is target locked to 5 targets, arms is better on bigger pulls
If you never pull more than 5 fury is better
mental crag
I go prot for M+ fury for raiding?
rapid tide
tbf, I really like Fury in M+, it sadly just feels like playing a target capped outlaw with way less utility at times 😄
mental crag
Have an easy life ?
mental crag
I have only 1 set of 445 fear and it is BIS fury... lackluster for prot iirc
mental crag
gear*
rapid tide
It's one of the very few dps that actually feel good to me.
I like the fast-paced style.
strong forum
For me complete opposite
strong forum
I hate that you press so many fucking buttons that all feel like 0 buttons
It's like playing low geared demo warlock
You press so many fucking buttons
And think you do amazing
But it's all just spammy small numbers
rapid tide
I mean tbf, I don't really look at numbers or anything while playing so a big rampage does feel satisfying to me.
I don't even have damage numbers shown.
strong forum
Warbreaker is satisfying, hitting 100k executes is satisfying
Big fucking chunks
Is what I'm about
rapid tide
I get what you mean.
ionic fern
We did a +13 AD and i there was a fire mage in the team..i was like "POP ALL CD*S GO HAM!!!!!!!" and then i check DPS meters..i'm doing 30k while he's pulling 100k.
😂
ionic fern
Why mages?
ionic fern
I enjoyed it most in TBC for some reason .
mental crag
wait. . does edict drop for DPS spec classes?
mental crag
I mean, as dps loot spec, for those classes
strong forum
Not as dps loot spec, but as tank loot spec
mental crag
kk, maybe an error there
mental crag
Yes, don't know why that was showing.
rapid tide
lul
mental crag
So now, we need an armory link @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
I have a 60 neck lol
ionic fern
Mines only 59 as well.
sick sentinel
Not updated
ionic fern
😂
mental crag
57....
sick sentinel
it updates daily
sick sentinel
oh really?
gaunt dawn
🙂
gaunt dawn
you need to log out 😡
sick sentinel
No 😡
gaunt dawn
in terms of time investment a higher key is better
sick sentinel
The higher the keys, the more drops
mental crag
I don't do mythic raiding, so.. I guess anything above 430 is going to require TF +10s
gaunt dawn
i use it for so many fights
mental crag
I am not comfortable tanking higher I dont think... not much experience at all
gaunt dawn
sick sentinel
I have to sleep for work again :(
sick sentinel
3 tank strat?
gaunt dawn
yaya
ionic fern
Wait, you're doing 3 tanks?
gaunt dawn
ionic fern
Why not just do 2? paladin is the soaker and the other one just holds boss most of the time.
sick sentinel
how we use rank 3 crucible
use one stack, then when avatar with coral is up
use both in that window and repeat?
For maximum damage output and crit
rapid tide
If you play with Coral then ye, sounds like a good plan.
Just make sure to not stack the dot obvsly.
rapid tide
I doubt it has Coral handling.
ionic fern
Smh
rapid tide
Really? 😮
rapid tide
Consider me positively surprised.
sick sentinel
so that means that's the best way to dps then?
ionic fern
Well, it has coral handling .
CoF r3 it does "Cast on CD but not when previous burn is still active".
rapid tide
-- concentrated_flame,if=buff.avatar.down
Is the APL.
Does not even check for dot not being there? 🤔
That seems weird.
rapid tide
Oh.
I am looking at 5 day old version.
Probably that is the problem here rather than you not pushing
:' )
sick sentinel
First heroic emissary and got the zaquul trinket fml
floral bolt
Would it be worth it to replace one of my trinkets with this one?
void berry
Is vial any good ?
rapid tide
It's not terrible.
floral bolt
I like it in m+
ionic fern
